sverstyuk played many of my personal roles in fate, he is a philosopher, writer, prisoner of soviets. i read a lot of memoirs of ukrainian and russian dissidents, and thought about it question, because from the point of view of the short-term perspective, well, they looked. like those who lost, because the movement was crushed, some people were killed, some people ended up in the soviets, there was no mass support, there was no mass support, fortunes were destroyed, families were divided, so in the short term they lost, but now we, in 2024, we know that we regained our independence in the 90s only because in the 60s this group of people fought. therefore, this is laying down a long strategy and sowing seeds that will germinate, well this is super important, but what should come first, an efficient state or an efficient society in such a situation, or should it not be distinguished? i think that an effective society is interested in an effective state, well, we can't pay three times, but we can't, but now a lot of things in the army are still covered by volunteer things, we have grow