zenon was actually born in belgium. and mr. bohdan was born in prague or in the czech republic, why? well, i can say one word, first of all, my father never ran away from ukraine, ugh, but the germans arrested him, yes, and took him away, in the 41st year after the proclamation of the restoration of ukrainian statehood, the act of june 30, and he was taken away then to poland, and he was in the auschwitz concentration camp, so he is not a refugee, not an immigrant, he was arrested for political motives, well... he ended up in refugee camps in germany, there were such large camps in bavaria, mainly augsburg, regensburg, so that he was in those camps, well , then he had the opportunity... because he got a scholarship through our bishop, who was then in the vatican, bishop ivan buchka, had the opportunity to enter a catholic university in belgium, the university of louvain, he completed his studies there, then he stayed where he was and that's how he started, he started dealing with the ukrainian community, but i can give the word