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>> An historic day here in Washington.

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A federal grand jury here has indicted

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>> He will now head to appear in federal

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this former president had envisioned
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>> We were getting ready to win this

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I love that beautiful woman right
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>> NARRATOR: The committee's final
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a case against Donald Trump.

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>> We saw our work

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as the first step in a process

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and not the end of the process.

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laid the path down for the Department

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of Justice.

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>> The January 6th case that will

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in Judge Chutkan's courtroom in Washington,

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has the most striking resemblance

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to what

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unspooled itself from the January

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6th committee.

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looks like a carbon copy

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of what the January 6th committee

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uncovered.

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>> A lot of the evidence that we uncovered

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is now in the hands of the Department

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of Justice.

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of the January select committee.

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>> NARRATOR: Bennie Thompson--

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a longtime Democratic congressman--

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chaired the committee.

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>> Bennie Thompson is a Mississippi

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congressman

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a Black man who grew up during

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the Civil Rights era in Mississippi

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during the last vestiges of Jim Crow...

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>> ♪ Glory, glory hallelujah ♪

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>>..and saw how hard-fought

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the franchise to vote was

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for so many Black Americans.

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>> NARRATOR: In January 6th, Thompson

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saw parallels.

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>> One of the symbols of Southern
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to voting rights and equal oppounity

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was the Confederate battle flag.

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being waved by many of the protestors

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brought back those memories.

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>> When he saw rioters storm the Capitol,

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carrying the Confederate battle flag,

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essentially trying to take away the

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votes

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of the American people...

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>> (crowd chanting): Fight for Trump!

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>> ...that I know affected him profoundly.

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in the way

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that he led the select committee.

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>> NARRATOR: Thompson's committee

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had gathered
a trove of information.

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The challenge: what do with it.

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>> The one thing that we knew

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was the information that we have

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is compelling.

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to the American people in a compelling

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So that's why we brought in a former
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>> Yeah, I got a call pretty much

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out of the blue

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from the January the 6th committee.

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They wanted, they wanted a storyteller.

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storytelling for a mass audience is

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not what they do.

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>> To bring in a guy like this

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who would think outside the box really

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did prove to be fruitful.

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in a way, a kind of miniseries that

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sort of nine episodes,

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and that these episodes would tackle

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particular themes.

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>> "Attack on the Capitol: The Investigation."

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>> NARRATOR: The first hearing was

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primetime television.

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>> ...the nation is about to witness
a defining moment.

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The first hearing before the country

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the results of the January 6th investigation.

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>> This is an extraordinary moment

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in American history.

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>> When it came to that first hearing

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we knew how high the stakes were.

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>> ...is about to hold its first primetime
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>> We were either going to you know,

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make people realize

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that this is important you know

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or once you've lost them you've lost

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them for good.

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>> On the evening of June 9, 8:01

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p.m., the drs opened.

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My heart was beating pretty fast on
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and it was a real question of is this

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going to work or not?

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>> All right everybody, here we go,
five on the line please.

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>> I'm in this tiny control room

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right up the stairs from Cannon Caucus.

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And we count down to the start the

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hearing

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and at that point, what can you do?

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>> Here we go, in three, two, one.

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>> The select committee to investigate

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the January 6th attack on the United
States Capitol

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will be in order.

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>> We wanted to make sure

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that this was a presentation that

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would grab the audience

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and hold onto 'em.

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Chairman Thompson loved to say "It's

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gotta pop!"
>> NARRATOR: To get it to "pop" they

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had just the thing.

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>> Donald Trump lost the presidential

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election in 2020.

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Don't believe me?

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Hear what his former attorney general

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had to say about it.

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>> (on video): Not just what I...

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I'd been through,

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I've had... I had three discussions

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with the president

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that I can recall.

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>> NARRATOR: Former Attorney General

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Bill Barr.

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>> This is the Attorney General of
the United States of America.

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For him to come forth under oath,

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I think was very powerful.

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>> (on video): I made it clear I did

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not agree with

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the idea of saying the election was

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stolen

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and putting out this stuff

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which I told the president was bull
(bleep).

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>> Bill Barr, who had been hated by
the left,

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and who had been beloved by Trump
all the way

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until December of 2020

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to hear him say, mincing no words

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that there was all this bull (bleep)

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that was being perpetrated by Trump

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made you realize that ay

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we're now about to walk into

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a portal of evidence that is um, that
is in fact different

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than everything else.

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>> NARRATOR: Following Barr: shocking

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video.

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>> Most of the footage we are about

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to play

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has never been seen.

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The select committee obtained it as

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a part of our investigation.

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(shouting) >> Hold thline!

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Hold the line! Hold the line!

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>> Break the line! (shouting)

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>> We have a breach of the Capitol

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breach of the Capitol, on the upper

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level!

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>> We can't hold this, we're gonna
get

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too many (bleep) people.

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Look at this (bleep) vantage point--
we're (bleep).

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>> We need to hold the doors of the

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Capitol.

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(shouting)

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I need (indistinct) support!

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(shouting)

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We lost the line!

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We've lost the line!

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All MPD fall back.

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(on video): All MPD fall back up to

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the upper deck!

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All MPD fall back to the upper deck,
ASAP!

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(crowd shouting on video)

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(crowd chanting "Nancy")

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>> In the room that moment

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we had officers that had

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been there on January 6.

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(crowd shouting on video)

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(indistinct shouting struggling)

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(shouting, struggling continue)

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>> There was a real gravity that

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we wanted to bring to that first hearing,

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that that video

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really put in perspective for us there.

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>> ...get him out, get him up!

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Get him up!

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Officer down! >> Get him up!

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(officers shouting) >> Get him up!

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>> Hold up! Hold up! >> Get him up!

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(shouting continues)

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>> I don't think anyone, until that

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footage was shown

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had really fully understood the violence
of the day.

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(crowd cheering)

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(crowd shouting)

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>> Help!

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(shouting continues on video)

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>> Those law enforcement personnel,

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here are people who were sworn

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to protect the Capitol

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come to work on that day too just

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that,

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and they are assaulted.

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(crowd cheering on video)

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>> NARRATOR: Paying special attention
to the hearing

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Donald Trump who responded on his
own

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social media platform.

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>> (dramatized): The so-called "Rush

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on the Capitol"

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was not caused by me

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it was caused by a rigged and stolen

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election!

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(indistinct radio chatter)

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>> NARRATOR: The committee continued

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laying out

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its evidence to the contrary.

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>> The attack on our Capitol

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was not a spontaneous riot.

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President Trump summoned the mob

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assembled the mob,

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and lit the flame of this attack.

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>> NARRATOR: Vice chair at the hearing:

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Liz Cheney a lifelong Republican

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and rock-ribbed conservative.

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>> ...or destroy by force, the government...

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>> I chose Liz Cheney as my vice chair.

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she had Republican credibility in

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the broader sense.

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So you take an African American liberal

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and a white female conservative

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to lead this committee.

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>> Liz Cheney is Republican royalty

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in many ways.

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She's the daughter of Dick Cheney,

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the vice president.

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She's very conservative, she represents
Wyoming.

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No one would mistake her for a liberal,

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but she also was someone

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who broke very publicly with Donald

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Trump.

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>> And there is no RINO in America

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who has thrown in

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her lot with the radical left more

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than Liz Cheney.

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(crowd booing)

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She has gone crazy!

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>> I will do everything I can to ensure

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the former president

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never again gets anywhere near the
Oval Office.

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>> She's been so strong on

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"We need to have the truth about January

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6.
"We need to have the truth about

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"what happened before January 6.

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We can't have Trump again, he can't

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be president again."

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>> I talked to her about what was

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motivating her.

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And she said every time she sees the

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video...

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>> (crowd chanting): ...Mike Pence!

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>> ...of Mike Pence being rushed to

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safety

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for fear of his life on January 6...

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>> Evacuate so we can

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secure the members on the other side,

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copy!

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>> ...she saw, in her mind the image
of her father.

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>> A plane has just crashed

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into the World Trade Center here in

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New York City.

565
00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:52,000
(explosion) >> Oh, my God!

566
00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:53,000
>> That looks like a second plane.

567
00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:55,000
>> Dick Cheney the vice president

568
00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:56,000
being rushed away from his office

569
00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:59,000
in the White House
to theunker on 9/11.

570
00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:00,000
>> It is one of the darkest days in

571
00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:01,000
America

572
00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:03,000
attacked in an act of terrorist war.

573
00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:06,000
>> Tremendously sad day,

574
00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:07,000
insurrectionists have stormed the

575
00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:09,000
U.S. Capitol

576
00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:12,000
and they have been cheered on by the
president.

577
00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:15,000
>> And suddenly I got it.

578
00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:16,000
Suddenly I got it-- for her, this

579
00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:17,000
was what Al Qaeda

580
00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:20,000
and 9/11 were to her father.

581
00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:21,000
To the extent that her father became

582
00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:24,000
really quite driven

583
00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:25,000
by his view of the mission to protect

584
00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:29,000
America after 9/11,

585
00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:33,000
she saw her mission the same way

586
00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:36,000
to protect America from Donald Trump.

587
00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:38,000
♪ ♪

588
00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:39,000
>> NARRATOR: Now helping to lead the

589
00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:42,000
January 6th committee,

590
00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:43,000
Cheney was determined to lay out the

591
00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:44,000
case

592
00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:47,000
against Donald Trump.

593
00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:49,000
>> Over multiple months,

594
00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:50,000
Donald Trump oversaw and coordinated

595
00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:51,000
a sophisticated plan

596
00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:55,000
to overturn the esidential election

597
00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:58,000
and prevent the transfer of presidential
power.

598
00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:01,000
>> In the very first hearing she kind
of laid out

599
00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:03,000
the theory of the case, right,

600
00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:05,000
the opening statement where she

601
00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:07,000
puts forth this multi-part plan.

602
00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:09,000
I think that will sound very much
like

603
00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:11,000
Jack Smith's opening statement in
the trial in March.

604
00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:15,000
It is a summary of how all of this
fits togetr.

605
00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:19,000
>> In our hearings you will see evidence

606
00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:21,000
of each element of this plan.

607
00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:24,000
>> Frankly we did win this election.

608
00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:26,000
(crowd cheering) We did win this election.

609
00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:28,000
>> Donald Trump and his advisors

610
00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:29,000
knew that he had in fact lost the

611
00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:30,000
election,

612
00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:34,000
but despite this

613
00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:35,000
you will see evidence that President
Trump

614
00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:37,000
corruptly pressured state legislators

615
00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:38,000
and election officials to change election

616
00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:39,000
results.

617
00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:42,000
(telephone dialing out picks up)

618
00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:43,000
>> I only need 11,000 votes!

619
00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:44,000
Fellas, I need 11,000 votes, give

620
00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:45,000
me a break.

621
00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:49,000
(telephone hangs up)

622
00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:51,000
♪ ♪

623
00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:54,000
>> What you saw at that hearing,

624
00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:55,000
methodically laid out by Liz Cheney,

625
00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:56,000
showed that it wasn't just some sort

626
00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:59,000
of like random,

627
00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:00,000
off the cuff impulsive actions on

628
00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:02,000
his part,

629
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:06,000
but that there was in fact, a strategy

630
00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:07,000
and a pattern and a methology to what

631
00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:10,000
he was doing.

632
00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:14,000
>> President Trump's efforts

633
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:15,000
to pressure Vice President Pence to

634
00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:16,000
act illegally
likely violated two federal criminal

635
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:19,000
statutes.

636
00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:20,000
>> Because if Mike Pence does the

637
00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:23,000
right thing

638
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:26,000
we win the election.

639
00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:27,000
>> If I could have been a fly on the

640
00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:28,000
wall

641
00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:29,000
in the Department of Justice during

642
00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:30,000
that,

643
00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:31,000
I certainly probably expect everybody

644
00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:33,000
sat up and took notice

645
00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:36,000
of what she said after that.

646
00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:38,000
>> In our final hearings you will
hear

647
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:39,000
how President Trump summoned a violent

648
00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:40,000
mob

649
00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:42,000
and directed them, illegally

650
00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:45,000
to march on the United States Capitol.

651
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:47,000
>> We fight like hell,

652
00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:49,000
and if you don't fight like hell,

653
00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:50,000
you're not going to have a country

654
00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:51,000
any more.

655
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:55,000
♪ ♪

656
00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:59,000
>> And with that the committee stands
adjourned.

657
00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:03,000
(bangs gavel)

658
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:07,000
>> NARRATOR: The hearings got the
public's attention.

659
00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:09,000
>> The first primetime January 6th
hearing

660
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:10,000
laying the foundation for a specific

661
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:11,000
case against Trump.

662
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:13,000
>> The House Committee

663
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:14,000
went into graphic detail on the results
of...

664
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:17,000
>> To put it crassly

665
00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:18,000
the January 6th committee was a ratings
hit.

666
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:19,000
>> From NBC News January 6th revelations

667
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:20,000
will

668
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:23,000
"blow the roof off the House."

669
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:25,000
>> The very first one,

670
00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:26,000
the primetime viewing was at 19.4
million

671
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:30,000
which was really, really remarkable.

672
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:32,000
>> Huge-- surprisingly huge numbers
last night

673
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:35,000
that's on par with events like Sunday
Night Football games.

674
00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:37,000
There were still multiple, multip,
brand-new revelations

675
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:41,000
last night that took us by surprise.

676
00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:42,000
>> NARRATOR: But for his supporters

677
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:44,000
Trump had a different story.

678
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:46,000
>> (dramatized): The unselect committee
of political hacks

679
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:50,000
refuses to play any of the many positive

680
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:52,000
witnesses and statements.

681
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:53,000
>> It's a broadside.

682
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:55,000
And it's not just one broadside,

683
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:57,000
it is a continuous series of broadsides.

684
00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:58,000
>> (dramatized): Bill Barr was a weak

685
00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:00,000
and frightened

686
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:01,000
attorney general who was always being

687
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:03,000
"played"

688
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:05,000
and threatened by the Democrats.

689
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:08,000
>> It's just so relentless

690
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:09,000
it's so constant, it's so loud

691
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:13,000
that in parts of MAGA America,

692
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:14,000
that MAGA barrage drowns out anything

693
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:15,000
else.

694
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:18,000
>> (dramatized): Warmongering and
despicable human being

695
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:20,000
Liz Cheney

696
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:21,000
who is hated by...

697
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:22,000
>> NARRATOR: And on the conservative

698
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:23,000
airwaves,

699
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:24,000
they ampfied Trump's message.

700
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:26,000
>> Every news network

701
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:28,000
in this country but this one

702
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:30,000
faithfully surrendered its entire
prime time lineup.

703
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:31,000
The effect was North Korean, every

704
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:34,000
channel the same.

705
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:38,000
>> A full-on Hollywood multimedia
extravaganza.

706
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:42,000
>> ...to prosecute Trump with this
show trial

707
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:45,000
with this kangaroo court...

708
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:46,000
>> I don't think really by any large

709
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:47,000
stretch,

710
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:50,000
can you characterize it as bipartisan.

711
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:53,000
And this is, I guess a consequence
of bigger issues

712
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:56,000
about the evenly divided country that
we're in

713
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:57,000
and extreme partisanship in the political

714
00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:58,000
process.

715
00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:02,000
>> Can they show us one damned sentence

716
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,000
in the hundreds of thousands of documents

717
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:06,000
that they have collected

718
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:07,000
the thousand witnesses they've had--

719
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:08,000
anything, anywhere that links Donald

720
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:10,000
Trump to directing

721
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:14,000
or ordering an attack

722
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:15,000
on the Capitol building?

723
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:16,000
Where is it?

724
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:17,000
>> If you're talking to somebody who's

725
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:18,000
deep in MAGA America

726
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:21,000
they didn't pay attention to the January
6th commission.

727
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:22,000
They were told not to pay attention

728
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,000
to it.

729
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:27,000
That whatever was going to come out

730
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:29,000
it was going to be fake or fake news.

731
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:30,000
And this is the way a lot of Americans

732
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:31,000
live their lives.

733
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:34,000
It's not just red Americans, blue
Americans as well.

734
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:36,000
We, we live in bubbles.

735
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:37,000
And this is the way millions upon

736
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:39,000
millions of Americans live.

737
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:43,000
(siren blaring)

738
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:48,000
♪ ♪

739
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:52,000
>> NARRATOR: In the weeks that followed

740
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:53,000
the committee laid out the details

741
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:54,000
of their case.

742
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:55,000
>> This morning we'll tell the story

743
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:58,000
of how Donald Trump

744
00:27:58,000 --> 00:27:59,000
lost an election and knew he lost

745
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:01,000
an election

746
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:05,000
and as a result of his loss

747
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:08,000
decided to wage an attack on our democracy.

748
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:11,000
>> NARRATOR: A central question:

749
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:12,000
what the president knew and when he

750
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:13,000
knew it.

751
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:14,000
>> For a long time people who have

752
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:17,000
pursued Donald Trump

753
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:18,000
tripped up on the question of whether

754
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:20,000
they could prove

755
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:22,000
that he knew what he was doing was
wrong

756
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:23,000
or that he knew what he was saying

757
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:24,000
was a lie.

758
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:25,000
The January 6th committee got past

759
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:26,000
that

760
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:27,000
by demonstrating that he was told,

761
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:30,000
time and time again,

762
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:34,000
that he did not win the election--

763
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:36,000
not by Democrats

764
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:37,000
not by the media but by his own people.

765
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:38,000
>> I want to start by showing a video

766
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:40,000
that tells the story

767
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:41,000
of what was going on in the Trump

768
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:44,000
White House

769
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:48,000
on election night in November of 2020.

770
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:52,000
>> (on video): The Fox News Decision
Desk

771
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:53,000
is calling Arizona for Joe Biden.

772
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:56,000
That is a big get for the Biden campaign.

773
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:57,000
>> Arizona is called do you remember

774
00:28:57,000 --> 00:29:00,000
that?

775
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:02,000
>> I do.

776
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:05,000
>> What do you remember happening

777
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:06,000
where you were when Arizona was called?

778
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:07,000
>> Um, I, uh, there was surprise at

779
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:11,000
the call.

780
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:12,000
>> After Fox News called Arizona for

781
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:16,000
Biden

782
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:20,000
there was discussion about whether
President Trump

783
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:23,000
should say something and should declare
victory.

784
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:25,000
The consensus of almost all of his
advisors

785
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:28,000
was that he should not.

786
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,000
>> It was far too early

787
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:32,000
to be making any calls like that.

788
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:33,000
Um, ballots, ballots were still being

789
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:37,000
counted.

790
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:41,000
Ballots were still going to be counted
for days

791
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:43,000
and it was far too early

792
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:44,000
to be making any proclamation like

793
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:46,000
that.

794
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:48,000
>> The professionals on his

795
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:50,000
campaign staff are telling him

796
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:53,000
you know

797
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:54,000
"We can't claim victory,

798
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:55,000
"either, you know, you lost or we

799
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:58,000
have to at least
wait and see what's going to happen."

800
00:29:58,000 --> 00:29:59,000
And Trump makes the choice that he

801
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:02,000
wants to listen instead

802
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:05,000
to Rudy Giuliani.

803
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,000
>> Were you part of any discussions

804
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:08,000
about whether the president should
make

805
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:10,000
any sort of speech on election night?

806
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:14,000
>> I, I mean I spoke

807
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:15,000
to the president.

808
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:16,000
They may have been present but the

809
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:17,000
president--

810
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:18,000
but I spoke to the president several

811
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:20,000
times that night.

812
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:21,000
>> NARRATOR: Rudy Giuliani's advice

813
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:23,000
was very different

814
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:27,000
than that of Trump's political advisors.

815
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:28,000
>> His personal lawyer Giuliani, tells

816
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:30,000
Trump,

817
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:33,000
"Keep fighting.

818
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:34,000
"We will have a legal crusade,

819
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:37,000
"a political crusade

820
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:38,000
to keep you in power."

821
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:41,000
Trump loves the idea.

822
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:44,000
>> Rudy Giuliani is one of

823
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:45,000
the most prominent figures in American

824
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:46,000
politics

825
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:48,000
in the last 25 years

826
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:49,000
who is remembered fondly for his leadership

827
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:52,000
post-9/11.

828
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:53,000
>> But over the years he drifted towards

829
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:58,000
Donald Trump.

830
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:04,000
Towards being someone that would be
essentially

831
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:06,000
a yes man to Donald Trump

832
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:08,000
and some of his worst impulses.

833
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:12,000
>> NARRATOR: And on election night,

834
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:14,000
Giuliani insisted Trump should fight.

835
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:15,000
>> The president ignores the sound

836
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:18,000
advice

837
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:20,000
that he's getting from Bill Stepien

838
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:21,000
from the political professionals around

839
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:22,000
him

840
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:24,000
and he's listening to

841
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:25,000
one voice that is telling him something

842
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:26,000
different,

843
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:29,000
and that's Giuliani saying

844
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:30,000
"You should go out there and declare

845
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:33,000
victory."

846
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:36,000
>> And did anybody disagree

847
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:38,000
with your message?

848
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:41,000
>> Yes. >> Who was that?

849
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:44,000
>> The president disagreed with that.

850
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:46,000
Hehought I was wrong he told me so,

851
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:47,000
and, you know, that they were going

852
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:49,000
to, you know, go in a--

853
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:50,000
you know, he was gonna go in a different

854
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:53,000
direction.

855
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:57,000
(cheers and applause)

856
00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:01,000
>> I think the most dangerous speech

857
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:03,000
that Donald Trump ever gave

858
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:04,000
was not the one that he gave on January
6.

859
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:05,000
I think it's the speech that he gave

860
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:07,000
at 2:30 in the morning

861
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:09,000
the night of the election.

862
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:10,000
>> This is a fraud on the American

863
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:11,000
public.

864
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:15,000
This is an embarrassment to our country.

865
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:18,000
We were getting ready to win this
election.

866
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:22,000
Frankly, we did win this election.

867
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:24,000
(cheers and applause) We did win this
election.

868
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:25,000
>> Trump knew that the trends looked

869
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:27,000
bad.

870
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:30,000
Trump knew that there were hundreds
of thousands of votes

871
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:33,000
still to be counted

872
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:35,000
and he came out and he said,

873
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:38,000
"Frankly we did win the election."

874
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:40,000
>> We want all voting to stop.

875
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:41,000
We don't want them to find any ballots

876
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:45,000
at 4:00 in the morning

877
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:48,000
and add them to the list.

878
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:50,000
Okay? (cheers and applause)

879
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:51,000
>> NARRATOR: In the years since, Trump

880
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:52,000
has claimed
that he believed what he said that

881
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:54,000
night.

882
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:57,000
>> I saw what happened.

883
00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:58,000
I watched that election, and I thought

884
00:32:58,000 --> 00:32:59,000
the election

885
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:00,000
was over at 10:00  the evening.

886
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:01,000
>> NARRATOR: But according to the

887
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:02,000
committee

888
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:03,000
his claims of fraud were part of a

889
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:05,000
well-established plan.

890
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:10,000
>> The moment when he said "Frankly,
I won this election,"

891
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:13,000
was telegraphed many, many times

892
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:16,000
and throughout the campaign

893
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:18,000
of 2020,

894
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:19,000
he repeatedly cast doubt on the legitimacy

895
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:20,000
of the outcome,

896
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:25,000
cast doubt on absentee ballots et
cetera.

897
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:28,000
>> As early as April 2020,

898
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:29,000
Mr. Trump claimed that the only way

899
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:33,000
he could lose an election

900
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:37,000
would be as a result of fraud.

901
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:41,000
>> (on video): The only way we're
gonna lose this election

902
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:42,000
is if the election is rigged.

903
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:45,000
Remember that, it's the only way

904
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:47,000
we're going to lose this election.

905
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:48,000
This is going to be a fraud like you've
never seen.

906
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:51,000
Did you see what's going on?

907
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:52,000
Take a look at West Virginia mailmen
selling the ballots,

908
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:53,000
they're being sold they're being dumped

909
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:54,000
in rivers.

910
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:58,000
This is a horrible thing for our country.

911
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:00,000
>> There is no-- there is no evidence
of that.

912
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:02,000
>> This is not going to end well.

913
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,000
>> NARRATOR: For the January 6th committee,

914
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:06,000
it was crucial evidence of Trump's
intent.

915
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:07,000
>> He makes numerous speeches and,

916
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:10,000
and TV...

917
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:13,000
comments in TV interviews.

918
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:15,000
>> You're going to see corruption

919
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:16,000
like you've never seen, you're going

920
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:17,000
to see a rigged election.

921
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:19,000
It'll be the greatest rigged election
in history

922
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:22,000
it'll be the greatest fraud ever perpetrated.

923
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:25,000
>> It's all a big fraud.

924
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:26,000
>> It's a crooked deal it's a rigged

925
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:27,000
deal

926
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:28,000
new ballots are coming out that are

927
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:29,000
thrown in garbage cans

928
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,000
with the name Trump on it.

929
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:32,000
>> This was part of the scheme of

930
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:34,000
getting his supporters

931
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:38,000
sensitized to the fact that

932
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:40,000
"There's going to be some fraud here."

933
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:41,000
>> Because the only way they're going
to win

934
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:42,000
is by a rigged election, I really

935
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:44,000
believe that.

936
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,000
>> This is a pattern for Trump.

937
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:47,000
He has done this every step of the

938
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:48,000
way through his career

939
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:51,000
long before potics.

940
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:52,000
>> My name's Donald Trump,

941
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:53,000
and I'm the largest real estate developer

942
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:54,000
in New York.

943
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:55,000
>> When "The Apprentice" lost an Emmy

944
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:57,000
to "The Amazing Race,"

945
00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:58,000
he claimed that the Emmy contest was

946
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:00,000
rigged.

947
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:01,000
>> (dramatized): "Amazing Race" winning

948
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:02,000
an Emmy again

949
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:05,000
is a total joke.

950
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:06,000
The Emmys have no credibility. (Twitter
chime)

951
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:08,000
The Emmys are all politics

952
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:09,000
that's why "The Apprentice" never

953
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:10,000
won. (Twitter chime)

954
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:13,000
>> The public is smart.

955
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:14,000
They know it's a con game.

956
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:16,000
>> I have just called President Obama

957
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:19,000
to congratulate him on his victory.

958
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:20,000
>> He claimed that the election was

959
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:21,000
rigged in 2012

960
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:24,000
when Mitt Romney whom he had endorsed

961
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:26,000
lost to Barack Obama.

962
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:27,000
>> (dramatized): This election is

963
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:28,000
a total sham and a travesty.

964
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:31,000
We are not a democracy. (Twitter chime)

965
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:32,000
More reports of voting machines

966
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:33,000
switching Romney votes to Obama. (Twitter

967
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:34,000
chime)

968
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:35,000
Let's fight like hell and stop this

969
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:36,000
great

970
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:37,000
and disgusting injustice! (Twitter

971
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:39,000
chime)

972
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:40,000
We can't let this happen.

973
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:41,000
We should march on Washington. (Twitter

974
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:42,000
chime)

975
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:44,000
>> Every step along the way

976
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:45,000
anything he has ever lost is because

977
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:46,000
somebody else

978
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:48,000
has cheated and stolen it from him.

979
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:49,000
>> Fox News can now project that Texas

980
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:51,000
senator Ted Cruz

981
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:54,000
has won Iowa.

982
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:55,000
>> Ted Cruz wins the Republican contest

983
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:57,000
here in Iowa.

984
00:35:57,000 --> 00:36:00,000
>> The big question now:

985
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:01,000
how is Donald Trump going to handle

986
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:02,000
a loss?

987
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:04,000
>> (dramatized): The State of Iowa
should disqualify Ted Cruz

988
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:05,000
from the most recent election on the

989
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:07,000
basis that he cheated--

990
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:10,000
a total fraud. (Twitter chime)

991
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:12,000
>> You have twted that

992
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:14,000
Senator Ted Cruz stole the Iowa election.

993
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:16,000
>> Everything about it was disgraceful.

994
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:18,000
It was a fraud as far as I was concerned.

995
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:21,000
>> Knowing what we know now--

996
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:22,000
I think you would go back to February

997
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:23,000
1 of 2016.

998
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:24,000
>> It's a total voter fraud when you

999
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:27,000
think of it

1000
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:28,000
and actually I came in probably first

1001
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:30,000
if you think about it.

1002
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:34,000
>> That episode

1003
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:36,000
was a bright red blinking light

1004
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:39,000
foreshadowing everything that was
to come.

1005
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:42,000
>> The portrait that both prosecutors

1006
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:46,000
and the January 6th committee are
trying to paint

1007
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:48,000
is that Trump knows what's going on.

1008
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:51,000
That this wasn't something spontaneous.

1009
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:52,000
This wasn't something that the president

1010
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:53,000
truly believed.

1011
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:54,000
That it was all part of an overall

1012
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,000
and illegal--

1013
00:36:56,000 --> 00:37:00,000
according to prosecutors and the committee--

1014
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:01,000
strategy to remain in power unlawfully.

1015
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:04,000
>> NARRATOR: And in court filings

1016
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:05,000
prosecutors have said Trump's statements

1017
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:07,000
are evidence

1018
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:09,000
of the criminal conspiracy at the
heart of the case.

1019
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:10,000
>> "They demonstrate the defendant's

1020
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:13,000
common plan

1021
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:14,000
"of falsely blaming fraud for election

1022
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:15,000
results

1023
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:16,000
"he does not like, as well as his

1024
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:18,000
motive, intent,

1025
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:21,000
"and plan to obstruct the certification

1026
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:22,000
of the 2020 election results and illegitimately

1027
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:25,000
retain power."

1028
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:29,000
>> Intent  the whole ball game.

1029
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:30,000
The jury is making an evaluation of

1030
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:31,000
that.

1031
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:34,000
Um, that's the most difficult thing
to prove.

1032
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:37,000
Not impossible, but it is the most
difficult thing to prove.

1033
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:38,000
>> NARRATOR: Robert Ray was an independent

1034
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:41,000
counsel

1035
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:44,000
who investigated President Bill Clinton

1036
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:47,000
and helped get Trump acquitted

1037
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:49,000
in his first senate impeachment trial.

1038
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:52,000
>> Our system requires that a jury
of 12 unanimously

1039
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:56,000
meaning all of them, all 12 of them

1040
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:57,000
find the defendant guilty beyond a

1041
00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:59,000
reasonable doubt.

1042
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:02,000
(gavel bangs)

1043
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:03,000
>> NARRATOR: To try to show the president's
intent

1044
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:04,000
the committee focused on his own statements

1045
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:06,000
after election night.

1046
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:10,000
>> Although he publicly claimed

1047
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:13,000
that he had won the election

1048
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:14,000
privately he admitted that

1049
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:16,000
Joe Biden would take over as president.

1050
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:17,000
>> I remember maybe a week after the

1051
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:18,000
election was called,

1052
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:21,000
I popped into the Oval just to like

1053
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:22,000
give the president the headlines and

1054
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:24,000
see how he was doing

1055
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:25,000
and he was looking at the TV and he

1056
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:26,000
said,

1057
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:27,000
"Can you believe I lost to this effing

1058
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:28,000
guy?"

1059
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:30,000
>> At the same time that President
Trump

1060
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:31,000
was acknowledging privately that he

1061
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:32,000
had lost the election,

1062
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:33,000
he was hearing that there was no evidence

1063
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:35,000
of fraud

1064
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:36,000
or irregularities sufficient to change

1065
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:38,000
the outcome.

1066
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:41,000
>> His campaign team

1067
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:42,000
and this included his son-in-law Jared

1068
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:45,000
Kushner,

1069
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:48,000
went to him after the election was
declared.

1070
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:49,000
And they didn't just rebut the claims

1071
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:52,000
of voter fraud.

1072
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:53,000
They explained to him their analysis

1073
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:56,000
of why he lost.

1074
00:38:56,000 --> 00:39:00,000
They showed him the numbers

1075
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:02,000
state by state in the swing states.

1076
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:03,000
>> I made this case, I know Hope Hicks

1077
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:06,000
and others did to him,

1078
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:09,000
which was, "You should kind of make
this a victory lap.

1079
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:10,000
"Go around the country, talk about

1080
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:12,000
what have accomplished

1081
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:14,000
"and you're going to be in a great
place in 2024

1082
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:17,000
to win the presidency back."

1083
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:19,000
♪ ♪

1084
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:21,000
>> But then you had Rudy Giuliani

1085
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:22,000
who was whispering in his ear what

1086
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:23,000
Trump wanted to hear.

1087
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:27,000
Trump likes the people who tell him
what he wants to hear.

1088
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:31,000
And he picked, in effect Rudy Giuliani

1089
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:32,000
in order to go down the road of challenging

1090
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:33,000
the election.

1091
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:34,000
>> There is strong evidence that this

1092
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:37,000
was an election

1093
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:38,000
that in at least three or four states,

1094
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:41,000
and possibly ten

1095
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:44,000
they, they... it was stolen.

1096
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:47,000
Bringing in 100,000 ballots in garbage
cans,

1097
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:51,000
and every single one of them was for
Biden.

1098
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:53,000
>> NARRATOR: The federal indictment
alleges that

1099
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:56,000
by the middle of November,

1100
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:57,000
Trump's conspiracy to overturn the

1101
00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:58,000
election was underway.

1102
00:39:58,000 --> 00:39:59,000
>> November 14, 2020, is an important

1103
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:02,000
date

1104
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:03,000
in the federal indictment of Donald

1105
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:05,000
Trump.

1106
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:06,000
It is the moment when Donald Trump

1107
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:10,000
said, "Rudy Giuliani--

1108
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:14,000
"he's the only one who's providing
me

1109
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:16,000
with a plausible path forward, and
I'm going to take it."

1110
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:17,000
>> Look, you can fight it all you

1111
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:20,000
want.

1112
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:22,000
The reality is dead people voted.

1113
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:26,000
Over 300,000 ballots were counted
in secret...

1114
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:27,000
>> Rudy Giuliani was central to a

1115
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:31,000
lot of these schemes,

1116
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:32,000
framing them, orchestrating them,

1117
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:35,000
directing other people

1118
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:38,000
being in on the communications.

1119
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:40,000
And so once Trump made a decision

1120
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:41,000
to defer to Rudy Giuliani as the person

1121
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:44,000
who was setting the tone

1122
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:48,000
and giving people their talking points

1123
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:50,000
for what the approach was,

1124
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:51,000
that's when he decided to go after

1125
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:52,000
these nutty theories.

1126
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:55,000
>> 8,021 ballots from dead people

1127
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:59,000
mail-in ballots for dead people.

1128
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:01,000
We're checking the records of the
cemeteries

1129
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:03,000
around Philadelphia. (audience laughter)

1130
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:07,000
>> NARRATOR: During that period,

1131
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:08,000
Giuliani and Trump would repeat dozens
of false allegations

1132
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:09,000
and the committee believed they had

1133
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:12,000
evidence

1134
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:15,000
it wasn't an honest mistake.

1135
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:16,000
>> One of the things the committee

1136
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:18,000
did that was critical

1137
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:19,000
was putting together this timeline

1138
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:20,000
in which they showed,

1139
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:22,000
very clearly

1140
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:23,000
the president would be told one thing

1141
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:24,000
one day,

1142
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:26,000
not true, don't say that.

1143
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:27,000
And he would go right back out and

1144
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:29,000
say it the next day anyway.

1145
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:33,000
That's really important toward I think,

1146
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:34,000
establishing intent to lie, intent

1147
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:36,000
to defraud.

1148
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:39,000
>> Each ballot went three times,

1149
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:40,000
here's ballot number one here it is

1150
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:42,000
a second time

1151
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:44,000
third time, next ballot.

1152
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:45,000
>> I told the president myself that

1153
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:47,000
these allegations

1154
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:49,000
about ballots run through the machine
several times,

1155
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:52,000
it was not true.

1156
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:54,000
>> In several counties in Georgia

1157
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:55,000
there's clear evidence that tens of

1158
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:56,000
thousands of votes

1159
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:57,000
were switched from President Trump

1160
00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:59,000
to Biden.

1161
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:00,000
>> Well, Mr. President we did a hand

1162
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:02,000
re-tally

1163
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:04,000
of all the ballots and compared that
to what the machine said,

1164
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:05,000
and it came up with virtually the

1165
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:07,000
same result.

1166
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:08,000
>> In Detroit a vote dump came in

1167
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:10,000
unexpectedly.

1168
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:14,000
I'll tell you what's wrong: voter
fraud.

1169
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:17,000
>> And then he raised the big vote
dump in Detroit

1170
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:18,000
and I said, "There's no indication

1171
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:21,000
of fraud in Detroit."

1172
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:25,000
>> Over 10,300 ballots in Georgia
were cast

1173
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:28,000
by individuals who died prior to the
election.

1174
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:32,000
>> The actual number were two,

1175
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:34,000
two people that were dead that voted.

1176
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:36,000
>> You have Dominion which those machines
are fixed

1177
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:39,000
they're rigged.

1178
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:40,000
You can press Trump and the vote goes

1179
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:41,000
to Biden.

1180
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:43,000
>> I specifically raised the Dominion
voting machines.

1181
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:46,000
I saw absolutely zero basis for the
allegations.

1182
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:50,000
I told him that it was crazy stuff.

1183
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:53,000
>> Stretching the truth in a campaign
ad

1184
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:55,000
or on the debate stageis one thing.

1185
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:58,000
But when you are using that lie

1186
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:01,000
to subvert the democratic process,

1187
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:03,000
and to convince people that they need
to overturn the election,

1188
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:06,000
now you're talking about conspiracy.

1189
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:10,000
And that's what he's charged with.

1190
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:11,000
>> NARRATOR: Trump wouldn't talk to

1191
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:14,000
the committee,

1192
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:16,000
but he did talk to NBC News.

1193
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:17,000
>> The most senior lawyers in your

1194
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:19,000
own administration

1195
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:20,000
and on your campaign told you that

1196
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:22,000
after you lost

1197
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:23,000
more than 60 legal challenges, that

1198
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:26,000
it was over.

1199
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:28,000
Why did you ignore them

1200
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:29,000
and decide to listen to a new outside

1201
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:30,000
group of attorneys?

1202
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:32,000
>> Because I didn't respect them.

1203
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:33,000
As lawyers. >> You'd hired them.

1204
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:34,000
>> Sure. But that doesn't mean-- you

1205
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:36,000
know, you hire them,

1206
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:37,000
you never met these people you get
a recommendation.

1207
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:38,000
They turn out to be RINOs, or they

1208
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:40,000
turn out to be not so good.

1209
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:42,000
In many cases, I didn't respect them.

1210
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:44,000
But I did respect others.

1211
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:45,000
I respected many others that said

1212
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:46,000
the election was rigged.

1213
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:49,000
>> Were you calling the shots, though

1214
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:51,000
Mr. President, ultimately?

1215
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:52,000
>> As to whether or not I believed

1216
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:53,000
it was rigged? Oh sure.

1217
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:56,000
>> Okay. >> It was my decision.

1218
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:57,000
>> NARRATOR: One of the allegations
in the charges

1219
00:43:57,000 --> 00:44:01,000
against Trump is that he used lies

1220
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:03,000
to carry out his criminal conspiracy.

1221
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:05,000
>> "The Defendant's knowingly false
statements

1222
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:08,000
were integral to his criminal plans."

1223
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:11,000
>> NARRATOR: But to the president's
defenders,

1224
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:13,000
his statements about the 2020 election,
true or not

1225
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:17,000
should be protected under the constitution.

1226
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:20,000
>> You will see Trump and those who
defend him

1227
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:23,000
essentially using the free speech
defense,

1228
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:26,000
and saying that these are just words
and in the end

1229
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:28,000
it's not a crime in America to lie
to the American public,

1230
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:29,000
even though Donald Trump lied to the

1231
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:32,000
American public a lot.

1232
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:33,000
>> This is a central area of the president's

1233
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:36,000
defense.

1234
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:39,000
He does have First Amendment rights

1235
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:42,000
and particularly as president.

1236
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:43,000
And trying to turn words into criminal

1237
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:45,000
conduct

1238
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:48,000
is a very slippery road

1239
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:49,000
for the prosecution under the First

1240
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:51,000
Amendment.

1241
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:54,000
And in the event of a conviction

1242
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:56,000
I can guarantee you this--

1243
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:57,000
this will be point one in the brief

1244
00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:59,000
on appeal.

1245
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:02,000
>> Lying to the government

1246
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:04,000
is not protected by the First Amendment.

1247
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:07,000
Obstructing justice is not protected

1248
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:09,000
by the First Amendment.

1249
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:10,000
>> NARRATOR: Ken White is a prominent

1250
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:11,000
criminal defense lawyer, and a First

1251
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:12,000
Amendment expert.

1252
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:13,000
>> And so here, the government's position

1253
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:16,000
is going to be,

1254
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:17,000
"We are not going after him for, u

1255
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:19,000
know

1256
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:23,000
"what he said on the news, that's
not the crime.

1257
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:27,000
"The crime is he's specifically pushed

1258
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:32,000
to derail specific government functions."

1259
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:38,000
♪ ♪

1260
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:39,000
>> NARRATOR: As they gathered their

1261
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:42,000
evidence

1262
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:43,000
the January 6th committee returned

1263
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:44,000
again and again

1264
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:47,000
to onetate: Georgia.

1265
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:50,000
>> When Donald Trump tried

1266
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:51,000
to overturn the election results

1267
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:53,000
he focused on just a few states.

1268
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:54,000
The former president had a particular

1269
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:57,000
obsession

1270
00:45:57,000 --> 00:46:00,000
with Georgia.

1271
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:02,000
>> I think that Trump chose us

1272
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:04,000
because Republicans did control

1273
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:06,000
basically every level of government.

1274
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:09,000
You got the House, you got the Senate

1275
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:10,000
all Republican controlled, not even

1276
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:12,000
close.

1277
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:14,000
I think he thought he could come here

1278
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:15,000
and basically just by some kind of

1279
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:17,000
fiat,

1280
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:19,000
say, "Okay, make it happen."

1281
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:22,000
>> NARRATOR: And it was in Georgia

1282
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:23,000
that Donald Trump received a stark

1283
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:24,000
warning

1284
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:25,000
from Gabriel Sterling, an election

1285
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:26,000
official.

1286
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:27,000
>> Gabriel Sterling explicitly warned

1287
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:30,000
President Trump

1288
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:31,000
about potential violence on December

1289
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:32,000
1, 2020

1290
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:36,000
more than a month before January 6.

1291
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:39,000
You will see excerpts from that video
repeatedly today.

1292
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:43,000
>> Mr. President

1293
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:45,000
it looks like you likely lost the
state of Georgia.

1294
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:46,000
Stop inspiring people to commit potential

1295
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:49,000
acts of violen.

1296
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:51,000
Someone's going to get hurt, someone's
going to get shot,

1297
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:52,000
someone's going to get killed, and

1298
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:54,000
it's not right.

1299
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:55,000
>> Gabe Sterling called out Donald

1300
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:58,000
Trump.

1301
00:46:58,000 --> 00:46:59,000
He was the first to really as far

1302
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:02,000
as I remember

1303
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:03,000
to really come out and say "There's

1304
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:05,000
going--

1305
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:07,000
like, this is going to lead to violence."

1306
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:08,000
>> We're investigating there's always

1307
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:09,000
a possibility

1308
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:11,000
I get it. You have... >> Gabe Sterling
is not listed

1309
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:14,000
as some kind of Republican in name
only

1310
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:16,000
or some kind of liberal Republican
prior to that moment.

1311
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:17,000
>> I've been a Republican since I

1312
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:20,000
was about nine

1313
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:22,000
when Reagan was running for reelection.

1314
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:23,000
I was nine years old when I first

1315
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:24,000
kind of declared myself.

1316
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:27,000
My mother was not very happy.

1317
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:29,000
But my dad was pleased.

1318
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:30,000
I was working campaigns in the late

1319
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:34,000
'80s and early '90s.

1320
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:38,000
So yeah, I've been in Republican politics

1321
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:40,000
as an operative and a volunteer

1322
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:42,000
since before I could drive a car.

1323
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:45,000
So yeah, I've been at it for a while.

1324
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:49,000
>> The chair recognizes

1325
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:50,000
the gentleman from California, Mr.

1326
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:53,000
Schiff
for an opening statement.

1327
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:54,000
>> Mr. Sterling, thank you also for

1328
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:55,000
being here today.

1329
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:59,000
>> Schiff-- I remember they told me

1330
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:00,000
he was going to question me, I'm like,

1331
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:01,000
"Damn it."

1332
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:04,000
I can't stand that guy.

1333
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:05,000
(laughs) He irritates me to death

1334
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:07,000
because I think he's wrong

1335
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:10,000
and doesn't tell the truth a lot.

1336
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:12,000
But I said, you know what?

1337
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:13,000
I'm just going to play this straight.

1338
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:14,000
I'm a fact witness just answer the

1339
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:15,000
questions.

1340
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:17,000
>> Donald Trump claims that there
was

1341
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:19,000
"massive voter fraud in Georgia."

1342
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:20,000
Mr. Sterling, that was just plain

1343
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:22,000
false, wasn't it?

1344
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:24,000
>> Yes, sir.

1345
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:25,000
(interview): I want to give some perspective

1346
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:27,000
for this.

1347
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:28,000
I was a voting systems implementation

1348
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:29,000
manager.

1349
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:33,000
I was a bureaucrat of all bureaucrats,

1350
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:36,000
basically, at that time.

1351
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:37,000
No one should know who the hell I
am.

1352
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:40,000
I just was doing my job.

1353
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:43,000
>> NARRATOR: Sterling was on the frontline

1354
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:45,000
as Trump attacked the Georgia election
results.

1355
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:48,000
>> (dramatized): Thousands of uncounted
votes discovered

1356
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:50,000
in Georgia counties. (Twitter chime)

1357
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:52,000
Big voter fraud information

1358
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:53,000
coming out concerning Georgia. (Twitter
chime)

1359
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:54,000
Georgia Republicans are angry, all

1360
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:55,000
Republicans are angry.

1361
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:59,000
Get it done! (Twitt chime)

1362
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:01,000
>> The people in Georgia are mad.

1363
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:03,000
They know their votes were stolen.

1364
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:04,000
>> Georgia, of the six states I looked

1365
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:05,000
at, is a cesspool.

1366
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:06,000
>> Georgia's probably going to be

1367
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:09,000
the first state

1368
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:11,000
I'm going to blow up

1369
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:12,000
and the secretary of state need to
go with it.

1370
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:13,000
>> Everyone must go to the capitol

1371
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:14,000
of Georgia now.

1372
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:15,000
We need to see people power and this

1373
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:18,000
will do it.

1374
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:22,000
>> (chanting): We want Trump!

1375
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:27,000
>> NARRATOR: On the ground tensions
were mounting.

1376
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:31,000
>> I mean you have a whole voting
population

1377
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:34,000
out there who still, today

1378
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:35,000
believes that this election

1379
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:38,000
was stolen.

1380
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:42,000
>> (chanting): America First!

1381
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:43,000
And I they think that, you know, some

1382
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:47,000
fraud happed.

1383
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:49,000
And that's how you end up in situations
where they're

1384
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:50,000
threatening the election officials

1385
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:53,000
in Georgia.

1386
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:55,000
(chime)

1387
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:56,000
>> "Keep opposing the audit, and somebody

1388
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:57,000
in your family
is going to have a very unfortunate

1389
00:49:57,000 --> 00:49:58,000
incident."

1390
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:01,000
"Please pray.

1391
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:02,000
"We plan for the death of you and

1392
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:03,000
your family every day.

1393
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:06,000
I'm sorry."

1394
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:07,000
"You and your family will be killed
very slowly."

1395
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:08,000
>> It wasn't fun I can tell you that.

1396
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:11,000
Um...

1397
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:15,000
We were in the mix of...

1398
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:18,000
a...

1399
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:22,000
radicalized lie, essentially.

1400
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:26,000
And it just kept on escalating. (chime)

1401
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:29,000
>> Y'all oughta blow your (bleep)
brains out

1402
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:32,000
you piece of (bleep).

1403
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:33,000
>> NARRATOR: The threats poured into
the voicemails

1404
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:35,000
of election officials. (chime)

1405
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:36,000
>> Hope you're happy with the way

1406
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:37,000
(bleep) going

1407
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:39,000
'cause you know who's fault this is

1408
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:40,000
when the (bleep) (bleep) hits the

1409
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:41,000
goddamn fan

1410
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:43,000
'cause you know it's coming.

1411
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:44,000
>> We're coming after you

1412
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:46,000
and every mother (bleep) with our
Second Amendment.

1413
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:50,000
(Bleep) enemy communist (bleep) sucker

1414
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:54,000
you will be served lead."

1415
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:57,000
♪ ♪

1416
00:50:57,000 --> 00:51:02,000
>> It's all gone too far.

1417
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:07,000
All of it.

1418
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:09,000
It has to stop!

1419
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:12,000
(interview): I had no script.

1420
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:13,000
In fact, I didn't realize I was going

1421
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:14,000
to call out the president

1422
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:15,000
until I was literally saying the words

1423
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:16,000
out loud at the time.

1424
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:19,000
Mr. President,

1425
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:20,000
you have not condemned these actions

1426
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:21,000
or this language.

1427
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:24,000
This has to stop.

1428
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:27,000
We need you to step up

1429
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:28,000
and if you're going to take a position

1430
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:29,000
of leadership,

1431
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:34,000
show some.

1432
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:35,000
>> After you made this plea to the

1433
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:38,000
president,

1434
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:40,000
did Donald Trump urge his supporters

1435
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:42,000
to avoid the use of violence?

1436
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:44,000
>> Not to my knowledge.

1437
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:46,000
>> Now, as we know

1438
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:47,000
the president was are of your speech

1439
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:48,000
because he tweeted about it later

1440
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:49,000
that day.

1441
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:51,000
(Twitter chime)

1442
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:53,000
>> The president retweeted a criticism

1443
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:56,000
of Gabriel Sterling's press conference.

1444
00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:57,000
So the president was aware that there

1445
00:51:57,000 --> 00:51:59,000
were threats of violence

1446
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:01,000
and he persisted in the Big Lie.

1447
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:02,000
>> You have Gabriel Sterling saying,

1448
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:05,000
"People will die."

1449
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:10,000
This was the warning and Donald Trump
was unmoved by it.

1450
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:14,000
Was there any sort of a sense

1451
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:15,000
that maybe we ought to dial down the

1452
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:16,000
rhetoric,

1453
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:17,000
that maybe this is getting out of
hand,

1454
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:19,000
maybe this is dangerous? No.

1455
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:22,000
>> Gabriel Sterling's warning that
someone could get killed,

1456
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:25,000
I think that still remains true today.

1457
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:28,000
Because you still have

1458
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:29,000
the president targeting judges

1459
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:31,000
and law clerks and witnesses.

1460
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:35,000
And I think it is remarkable

1461
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:37,000
that no one has been physically hurt.

1462
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:42,000
But I think time will tell whether
something does happen.

1463
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:49,000
(sirens wailing, horns honking)

1464
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:52,000
>> The committee plans to reveal even

1465
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:54,000
more evidence

1466
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:55,000
former President Trump pressured state

1467
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:56,000
officials

1468
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:57,000
to overturn the results of the 2020

1469
00:52:57,000 --> 00:52:58,000
election.

1470
00:52:58,000 --> 00:52:59,000
>> NARRATOR: Rusty Bowers, the Speaker

1471
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:01,000
of the Arizona House

1472
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:04,000
and lifelong Republican,

1473
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:06,000
was a crucial witness to Trump's campaign

1474
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:09,000
of pressure on local officials.

1475
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:11,000
>> Arizona House Speaker Rusty Bowers
testifying today

1476
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:13,000
he received numerous calls

1477
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:14,000
asking him to decertify the Arizona

1478
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:15,000
electors.

1479
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:17,000
>> NARRATOR: Bowers would testify

1480
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:18,000
about his private conversations with

1481
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:19,000
the president.

1482
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:20,000
>> Going in the room, we walked down

1483
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:23,000
through the hall,

1484
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:24,000
and there's lots of people in the

1485
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:26,000
hallways, and then guards,

1486
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:27,000
and then there's a doorway and, you

1487
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:30,000
know, I'm thinking,

1488
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:34,000
"Okay, how big is this room?"

1489
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:36,000
And then I walk in the room

1490
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:39,000
and I'm thinking, "Oh, my word.

1491
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:42,000
(cameras clicking)

1492
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:47,000
This is one big room." (laughs)

1493
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:52,000
I'm like, "Wow."

1494
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:56,000
And there's ten million photographers

1495
00:53:56,000 --> 00:54:00,000
all jammed together,

1496
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:02,000
jostling in front of us.

1497
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:06,000
And I'm trying to maintain composure

1498
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:09,000
and not run screaming off down the
Mall,

1499
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:12,000
down towards the Lincoln Memorial.

1500
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:16,000
But I saw Liz Cheney

1501
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:18,000
and she was looking at me

1502
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:20,000
and that kind of calmed me down.

1503
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:23,000
(gavel bangs)

1504
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:25,000
>> I now welcome Rusty Bowers,

1505
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:28,000
a distinguished legislator from Arizona.

1506
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:32,000
Speaker Bowers, thank you for being
with us today.

1507
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:35,000
>> This is a loyal lifelong Republican.

1508
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:36,000
He's a conservative who fought to

1509
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:38,000
get Trump reelected.

1510
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:39,000
>> Arizona House Speaker Rusty Bowers,

1511
00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:42,000
come on up here!

1512
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:45,000
(cheers and applause)

1513
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:47,000
>> Rusty Bowers is a compelling person.

1514
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:48,000
It's hard to talk to him and not believe

1515
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:50,000
him.

1516
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:53,000
And the stories that he told

1517
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:54,000
about his direct communications with

1518
00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:56,000
the president

1519
00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:58,000
were just so indicative and so powerful

1520
00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:01,000
that he was kind of an obvious choice,
frankly,

1521
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:02,000
for somebody that America needed to

1522
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:05,000
hear from directly.

1523
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:08,000
>> After the election,

1524
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:09,000
you received a phone call from President

1525
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:10,000
Trump
and Rudy Giuliani, in which they discussed

1526
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:11,000
the result

1527
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:14,000
of the presidential election in Arizona.

1528
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:17,000
If you would tell us about that call.

1529
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:18,000
>> Mr... the president initially laid

1530
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:21,000
out

1531
00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:22,000
the broad claim of fraud across the

1532
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:25,000
country--

1533
00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:26,000
named different states including my

1534
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:29,000
own.

1535
00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:33,000
>> What was the ask during this call?

1536
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:37,000
He was making these allegations of
fraud

1537
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:39,000
but he had something, or a couple
things,

1538
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:41,000
that they wanted you to do-- what
were those?

1539
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:44,000
>> They said, "Well, we have heard

1540
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:45,000
"via an official high up in the Republican

1541
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:47,000
Legislature,

1542
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:48,000
"that there is a legal theory, or

1543
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:53,000
a legal ability in Arizona,

1544
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:57,000
"that you can remove the, um

1545
00:55:57,000 --> 00:55:58,000
electors of President Biden and replace

1546
00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:03,000
them."

1547
00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:07,000
(chuckles) Well... for them to say
to me,

1548
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:10,000
"Yeah, we just want you to throw out
those electors

1549
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:13,000
and put in Trump's."

1550
00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:14,000
I'm thinking, "Have, have I gone to
another planet?"

1551
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:15,000
I mean, it's like, what? I'm not gonna

1552
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:18,000
do that!"

1553
00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:19,000
I mean, I wanted him to win, okay,

1554
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:22,000
so what?

1555
00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:24,000
I'm not gonna cheat, I'm not gonna
cheat to win.

1556
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:27,000
What, what's that?

1557
00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:29,000
I flat out, flat out said,

1558
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:31,000
"You're asking me to break my oath.

1559
00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:32,000
"I swore an oath-- I'm not gonna break

1560
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:35,000
it, period.

1561
00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:38,000
Not gonna break it."

1562
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:41,000
I said, "Well, if you're talking this

1563
00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:44,000
I gotta have the proof."

1564
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:46,000
I said, "Rudy,

1565
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:47,000
do you have the names of the dead

1566
00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:50,000
people who voted?"
He goes, "Yes."

1567
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:52,000
"And do you have the names

1568
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:55,000
of the 200,000 illegals who voted
in our election?"

1569
00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:58,000
"Yes."

1570
00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:00,000
I said, "I want those names."

1571
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:01,000
And the presidensays, "Rudy, give

1572
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:02,000
the man what he wants

1573
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:04,000
give him what he wants."

1574
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:05,000
He says, "Yeah we've got them, Mr.

1575
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:06,000
President,

1576
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:07,000
and I'll get them to him."

1577
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:10,000
>> NARRATOR: In the criminal indictment

1578
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:12,000
Jack Smith saw the call as evidence
of a crime.

1579
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:13,000
>> "The Defendant and Co-Conspirator

1580
00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:15,000
1

1581
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:17,000
"asked the Arizona House Speaker to
use the legislature

1582
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:20,000
"to circumvent the process by which

1583
00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:22,000
legitimate electors would be ascertained."

1584
00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:25,000
>> If you are calling a state official

1585
00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:26,000
and you're asking them to nullify

1586
00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:28,000
lawful votes,

1587
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:31,000
and to replace them with unlawful
votes

1588
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:34,000
that is squarely within federal statutes

1589
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:37,000
regulating election conspiracy.

1590
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:41,000
>> NARRATOR: Not long after the call

1591
00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:43,000
Rudy Giuliani himself arrived in Arizona.

1592
00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:47,000
>> Did you meet with Mr. Giuliani
and his associates

1593
00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:49,000
while they were in Phoenix?

1594
00:57:49,000 --> 00:57:51,000
>> Yes, I did, sir.

1595
00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:52,000
There was a row of people and--

1596
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:53,000
Giuliani and Jenna Ellis I recognized

1597
00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:56,000
them.

1598
00:57:56,000 --> 00:58:00,000
And I sat down on the opposite side.

1599
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:02,000
And I just said, "Did you bring me
the proof?"

1600
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:04,000
And he said, "What?"

1601
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:05,000
I said "Do you remember our phone

1602
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:06,000
call

1603
00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:07,000
when you said you were going to bring

1604
00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:08,000
me the proof?"

1605
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:12,000
And he said, "Oh, yeah."

1606
00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:15,000
I said, "Did you bring it?"

1607
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:17,000
And he looked-- turned to Jenna Ellis,

1608
00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:18,000
and he says, "Do you have the proof?"

1609
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:21,000
And she said, "Yeah."

1610
00:58:21,000 --> 00:58:24,000
"Well, can we see it?"

1611
00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:26,000
She leans over and fumbles through
her briefcase

1612
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:29,000
and says, "Oh no I don't have it here--

1613
00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:30,000
must be at the hotel room."

1614
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:31,000
>> This meeting or at any other later

1615
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:34,000
time

1616
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:36,000
did anyone provide you

1617
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:38,000
with evidence of election fraud sufficient

1618
00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:40,000
to affect the outcome

1619
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:41,000
of the presidential election in Arizona?

1620
00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:42,000
>> No one provided me, ever, such

1621
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:47,000
evidence.

1622
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:50,000
(interview): Giuliani was kind of
frustrated with us all

1623
00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:51,000
and he said, "You know we've got a

1624
00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:52,000
lot of theories,

1625
00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:54,000
we just don't have the evidence."

1626
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:55,000
(chuckles) And I, when I heard him

1627
00:58:55,000 --> 00:58:59,000
say that, I,

1628
00:58:59,000 --> 00:59:02,000
I said...

1629
00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:03,000
"Did he just say what I thought he

1630
00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:05,000
said?"

1631
00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:08,000
(laughs)

1632
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:09,000
And they all looked at me, like, the
same thing on their mind

1633
00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:12,000
like, "Whoa!" (laughs)

1634
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:14,000
You know, that "Yeah, he just said
that!"

1635
00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:15,000
That was like a rocket's red glare

1636
00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:17,000
moment.

1637
00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:19,000
Like, wow! (laughs)

1638
00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:20,000
That's... you gotta be kidding this

1639
00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:21,000
is like a

1640
00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:24,000
this is the clown show-- they're out
hunting,

1641
00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:28,000
they're trying to find something,

1642
00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:29,000
and, and they're wanting us to participate
in this

1643
00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:32,000
and, and he says that?

1644
00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:33,000
Holy moly, we can't do this stuff,

1645
00:59:33,000 --> 00:59:35,000
you know, it's like...

1646
00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:36,000
>> NARRATOR: Rudy Giuliani refused

1647
00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:39,000
to answer questions

1648
00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:40,000
from the committee about his conversations

1649
00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:41,000
with Bowers.

1650
00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:45,000
Trump attorney Jenna Ellis also refused.

1651
00:59:45,000 --> 00:59:49,000
For the January 6th committee,

1652
00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:50,000
that meeting with Bowers was a bombshell

1653
00:59:50,000 --> 00:59:51,000
revelation.

1654
00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:52,000
>> "We have a lot of theories, but

1655
00:59:52,000 --> 00:59:55,000
we don't have any evidence."

1656
00:59:55,000 --> 00:59:58,000
That shows that

1657
00:59:58,000 --> 00:59:59,000
none of this had to do with evidence

1658
00:59:59,000 --> 01:00:00,000
or reality, right?

1659
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:03,000
This is all about just making stuff
up

1660
01:00:03,000 --> 01:00:05,000
in order to justify keeping Trump
in power.

1661
01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:06,000
>> NARRATOR: The phrase Giuliani uttered

1662
01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:07,000
would become iconic

1663
01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:08,000
and Giuliani a central figure in Trump's

1664
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:11,000
indictment:

1665
01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:14,000
listed as Co- Conspirator mber 1.

1666
01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:15,000
>> "Co-Conspirator 1 responded with

1667
01:00:15,000 --> 01:00:17,000
words to the effect of,

1668
01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:18,000
'We don't have the evidence, but we

1669
01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:22,000
have lots of theories.'"

1670
01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:26,000
>> It shows Rudy Giuliani admitting

1671
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:29,000
that there's no evidence

1672
01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:31,000
for the theories they had,

1673
01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:32,000
that these are just talking points

1674
01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:33,000
not backed with any fact.

1675
01:00:33,000 --> 01:00:34,000
And that's exactly the theory of the

1676
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:36,000
government.

1677
01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:37,000
>> During the conversation did he

1678
01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:41,000
bring up the fact

1679
01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:43,000
that you shared a similar party?

1680
01:00:43,000 --> 01:00:44,000
>> He would say, "Aren't we all Republicans

1681
01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:45,000
here?

1682
01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:46,000
"I would think we would get a better

1683
01:00:46,000 --> 01:00:48,000
reception

1684
01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:49,000
"I mean, I would think you would listen

1685
01:00:49,000 --> 01:00:51,000
a little more open

1686
01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:55,000
to my suggestions-- we're all Republicans."

1687
01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:59,000
For someone to ask me

1688
01:00:59,000 --> 01:01:00,000
to deny my oath and just let the courts

1689
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:02,000
figure it out

1690
01:01:02,000 --> 01:01:03,000
or let somebody else punt it to someone

1691
01:01:03,000 --> 01:01:08,000
else,

1692
01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:12,000
is not something I will do.

1693
01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:15,000
>> What you have to understand here
is that Rusty Bowers,

1694
01:01:15,000 --> 01:01:18,000
this guy who worked for Trump,

1695
01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:21,000
wanted Trump to be reelected in Arizona,

1696
01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:22,000
worked for Trump's reelection is given

1697
01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:23,000
a choice--

1698
01:01:23,000 --> 01:01:25,000
he can choose between his oath to
the Constitution

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01:01:25,000 --> 01:01:27,000
or President Trump.

1700
01:01:27,000 --> 01:01:28,000
And he stays loyal to the Constitution.

1701
01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:29,000
That is, in effect, what... the choice

1702
01:01:29,000 --> 01:01:30,000
that he's given.

1703
01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:31,000
>> Even in the past when there have

1704
01:01:31,000 --> 01:01:33,000
been...

1705
01:01:33,000 --> 01:01:34,000
>> Rusty Bowers speaks with a moral

1706
01:01:34,000 --> 01:01:35,000
and legal clarity

1707
01:01:35,000 --> 01:01:39,000
that's very necessary to understand.

1708
01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:40,000
>> We choose to follow the outcome

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01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:43,000
of the will of the people.

1710
01:01:43,000 --> 01:01:46,000
It's, it's my oath.

1711
01:01:46,000 --> 01:01:47,000
And, and I hope that I'll never break

1712
01:01:47,000 --> 01:01:50,000
that.

1713
01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:54,000
I know I'm not, you know I'm not perfect.

1714
01:01:54,000 --> 01:01:56,000
I'm certainly not a perfect witness.

1715
01:01:56,000 --> 01:01:59,000
But I am a witness.

1716
01:01:59,000 --> 01:02:03,000
And, uh...

1717
01:02:03,000 --> 01:02:07,000
I had my say.

1718
01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:10,000
And I wasn't trying to flower it up,

1719
01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:11,000
I wasn't trying to be

1720
01:02:11,000 --> 01:02:15,000
anything other than just Rusty.

1721
01:02:15,000 --> 01:02:20,000
♪ ♪

1722
01:02:21,000 --> 01:02:22,000
>> NARRATOR: Rusty Bowers is now a

1723
01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:25,000
key witness

1724
01:02:25,000 --> 01:02:27,000
on a central charge of the indictment.

1725
01:02:27,000 --> 01:02:30,000
>> "The Defendant and his co-conspirators

1726
01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:32,000
"executed a strategy to use knowing
deceit

1727
01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:33,000
"in the targeted states to impair,

1728
01:02:33,000 --> 01:02:35,000
obstruct

1729
01:02:35,000 --> 01:02:38,000
and defeat the federal government
function."

1730
01:02:38,000 --> 01:02:40,000
>> NARRATOR: In their filings,

1731
01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:42,000
Trump's lawyers have argued

1732
01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:44,000
he is immune from prosecution

1733
01:02:44,000 --> 01:02:46,000
because was doing his job as president

1734
01:02:46,000 --> 01:02:47,000
when he worked to change the election

1735
01:02:47,000 --> 01:02:48,000
results.

1736
01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:51,000
>> "The indictment is based entirely

1737
01:02:51,000 --> 01:02:53,000
"on alleged actions within the heartland

1738
01:02:53,000 --> 01:02:55,000
"of President Trump's official duties,

1739
01:02:55,000 --> 01:02:57,000
"or at the very least,

1740
01:02:57,000 --> 01:02:58,000
within the 'outer perimeter' of his

1741
01:02:58,000 --> 01:02:59,000
official duties."

1742
01:02:59,000 --> 01:03:03,000
>> The former president has a motion
claiming

1743
01:03:03,000 --> 01:03:05,000
that he is immune from criminal process

1744
01:03:05,000 --> 01:03:06,000
with regard to these charges which

1745
01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:10,000
involve his official acts

1746
01:03:10,000 --> 01:03:14,000
as president of the United States.

1747
01:03:14,000 --> 01:03:15,000
>> "As President Trump is absolutely

1748
01:03:15,000 --> 01:03:16,000
immune

1749
01:03:16,000 --> 01:03:17,000
"from criminal prosecution for such

1750
01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:18,000
acts,

1751
01:03:18,000 --> 01:03:21,000
the Court should dismiss the indictment."

1752
01:03:21,000 --> 01:03:23,000
>> Donald Trump's legal team

1753
01:03:23,000 --> 01:03:24,000
suggesting that even a president

1754
01:03:24,000 --> 01:03:26,000
who had a political rival assassinated

1755
01:03:26,000 --> 01:03:27,000
could still be immune from criminal

1756
01:03:27,000 --> 01:03:30,000
prosecution.

1757
01:03:30,000 --> 01:03:31,000
>> NARRATOR: The federal judge presiding

1758
01:03:31,000 --> 01:03:34,000
over the case

1759
01:03:34,000 --> 01:03:35,000
has already rejected Trump's immunity

1760
01:03:35,000 --> 01:03:36,000
claims,

1761
01:03:36,000 --> 01:03:37,000
saying a president is not entitled

1762
01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:40,000
to a life-long,

1763
01:03:40,000 --> 01:03:43,000
get-out-of-jail-free pass.

1764
01:03:43,000 --> 01:03:44,000
>> The questions being raised right

1765
01:03:44,000 --> 01:03:46,000
now

1766
01:03:46,000 --> 01:03:47,000
regarding presidential immunity

1767
01:03:47,000 --> 01:03:49,000
are absolutely key to the very foundation

1768
01:03:49,000 --> 01:03:50,000
the very philosophical foundation

1769
01:03:50,000 --> 01:03:54,000
of this republic.

1770
01:03:54,000 --> 01:03:58,000
Because if you take an oath of office

1771
01:03:58,000 --> 01:04:00,000
in the United States of America,

1772
01:04:00,000 --> 01:04:01,000
you're swearing an oath to our system

1773
01:04:01,000 --> 01:04:03,000
of government.

1774
01:04:03,000 --> 01:04:07,000
And so, if a president

1775
01:04:07,000 --> 01:04:09,000
is not subject to that system of government

1776
01:04:09,000 --> 01:04:11,000
if he's not subject to that code of
laws

1777
01:04:11,000 --> 01:04:12,000
we don't have quite the republic that

1778
01:04:12,000 --> 01:04:14,000
we thought we had.

1779
01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:18,000
(siren wailing)

1780
01:04:18,000 --> 01:04:20,000
>> NARRATOR: An appeals court is now
considering

1781
01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:22,000
the question of immunity.

1782
01:04:22,000 --> 01:04:23,000
Whatever the decision, both sides

1783
01:04:23,000 --> 01:04:24,000
could appeal

1784
01:04:24,000 --> 01:04:29,000
to the United States Supreme Court.

1785
01:04:33,000 --> 01:04:38,000
(indistinct chatter)

1786
01:04:38,000 --> 01:04:42,000
♪ ♪

1787
01:04:42,000 --> 01:04:44,000
The committee's investigation kept
bringing them

1788
01:04:44,000 --> 01:04:46,000
back to what happened in Georgia.

1789
01:04:46,000 --> 01:04:48,000
(laughter)

1790
01:04:48,000 --> 01:04:49,000
>> Mr. Giuliani, what are you doing

1791
01:04:49,000 --> 01:04:50,000
here in Georgia?

1792
01:04:50,000 --> 01:04:52,000
>> You'll see.

1793
01:04:52,000 --> 01:04:53,000
>> NARRATOR: Giuliani was there

1794
01:04:53,000 --> 01:04:54,000
to make his case to the Republican

1795
01:04:54,000 --> 01:04:55,000
state legislature.

1796
01:04:55,000 --> 01:04:58,000
>> Bless you, too. >> Don't give up.

1797
01:04:58,000 --> 01:04:59,000
>> Oh, I'm not giving up. >> Never,

1798
01:04:59,000 --> 01:05:00,000
never give up.

1799
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:02,000
>> Nope.

1800
01:05:02,000 --> 01:05:03,000
>> He was very jovial, I have to tell
you.

1801
01:05:03,000 --> 01:05:06,000
I think he had gotten

1802
01:05:06,000 --> 01:05:07,000
basically a king's welcome by all

1803
01:05:07,000 --> 01:05:08,000
the Republicans.

1804
01:05:08,000 --> 01:05:11,000
(cameras clicking)

1805
01:05:11,000 --> 01:05:12,000
It was like, you know, he was their

1806
01:05:12,000 --> 01:05:13,000
superstar or whatever.

1807
01:05:13,000 --> 01:05:17,000
(man laughs)

1808
01:05:17,000 --> 01:05:18,000
They all wanted pictures with him.

1809
01:05:18,000 --> 01:05:20,000
They were all so impressed with him

1810
01:05:20,000 --> 01:05:22,000
and couldn't believe that he was there.

1811
01:05:22,000 --> 01:05:25,000
Um, very obsequious.

1812
01:05:25,000 --> 01:05:29,000
(cheers and applause)

1813
01:05:29,000 --> 01:05:31,000
>> We appreciate you, Rudy. We love
you, Rudy!

1814
01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:33,000
>> NARRATOR: Giuliani and others from
Trump's team

1815
01:05:33,000 --> 01:05:35,000
had come with a conspiracy theory:

1816
01:05:35,000 --> 01:05:36,000
election workers were counting suitcases

1817
01:05:36,000 --> 01:05:38,000
of illegal ballots.

1818
01:05:38,000 --> 01:05:39,000
>> Tha you, Mr. Chairman. >> Thank

1819
01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:42,000
you-- Senator Jordan?

1820
01:05:42,000 --> 01:05:44,000
>> Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

1821
01:05:44,000 --> 01:05:45,000
>> NARRATOR: Jen Jordan, a Democratic

1822
01:05:45,000 --> 01:05:46,000
state senator

1823
01:05:46,000 --> 01:05:49,000
was in the room with Giuliani,

1824
01:05:49,000 --> 01:05:50,000
Jenna Ellis, and Trump's other lawyers.

1825
01:05:50,000 --> 01:05:51,000
>> They are going to pull ballots

1826
01:05:51,000 --> 01:05:54,000
out

1827
01:05:54,000 --> 01:05:57,000
from underneath a table.

1828
01:05:57,000 --> 01:06:00,000
Watch this table.

1829
01:06:00,000 --> 01:06:02,000
>> You had the woman who was narrating.

1830
01:06:02,000 --> 01:06:04,000
>> This table, the black one was placed
there

1831
01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:07,000
by the lady with the blonde braids.

1832
01:06:07,000 --> 01:06:08,000
>> And saying, "You see this woman

1833
01:06:08,000 --> 01:06:11,000
here?

1834
01:06:11,000 --> 01:06:13,000
You see her here?"

1835
01:06:13,000 --> 01:06:14,000
>> At about 8:00 in the morning,

1836
01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:15,000
we're going to roll this back and

1837
01:06:15,000 --> 01:06:16,000
show it to you--

1838
01:06:16,000 --> 01:06:17,000
there you go-- so now they're going

1839
01:06:17,000 --> 01:06:19,000
to start

1840
01:06:19,000 --> 01:06:21,000
pulling these ballots out from under
this table.

1841
01:06:21,000 --> 01:06:23,000
I don't know the name of the lady
in the blonde braids,

1842
01:06:23,000 --> 01:06:25,000
but one of them had the name Ruby
across her shirt somewhere.

1843
01:06:25,000 --> 01:06:26,000
>> "She's taking the ballotsout, and

1844
01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:29,000
now she's, you know

1845
01:06:29,000 --> 01:06:30,000
filling them in or she's stealing

1846
01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:33,000
these ballots."

1847
01:06:33,000 --> 01:06:36,000
>> NARRATOR: It was an allegation

1848
01:06:36,000 --> 01:06:38,000
Trump personally amplified.

1849
01:06:38,000 --> 01:06:39,000
>> There's even security camera footage

1850
01:06:39,000 --> 01:06:41,000
from Georgia

1851
01:06:41,000 --> 01:06:44,000
that shows officials telling poll
watchers to leave the room

1852
01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:47,000
before pulling suitcases of ballots

1853
01:06:47,000 --> 01:06:48,000
out from under the tables and continuing

1854
01:06:48,000 --> 01:06:51,000
to count for hours.

1855
01:06:51,000 --> 01:06:55,000
>> They kept on recycling these things.

1856
01:06:55,000 --> 01:06:56,000
>> The footage appears to show poll

1857
01:06:56,000 --> 01:06:57,000
workers

1858
01:06:57,000 --> 01:07:00,000
pulling ballots out of suitcases...

1859
01:07:00,000 --> 01:07:02,000
>> It's like playing whack-a-mole.

1860
01:07:02,000 --> 01:07:03,000
>> Yeah, how about those suitcases

1861
01:07:03,000 --> 01:07:04,000
that were pulled out from the table

1862
01:07:04,000 --> 01:07:05,000
in Georgia.

1863
01:07:05,000 --> 01:07:06,000
>> Looking at ballots, they're finding
them under the tables.

1864
01:07:06,000 --> 01:07:09,000
I mean, this is like a banana republic.

1865
01:07:09,000 --> 01:07:10,000
>> NARRATOR: But the full surveillance
video didn't show

1866
01:07:10,000 --> 01:07:14,000
what Trump and Giuliani claimed.

1867
01:07:14,000 --> 01:07:16,000
>> The magic suitcases

1868
01:07:16,000 --> 01:07:17,000
which were really just ballot carriers

1869
01:07:17,000 --> 01:07:18,000
that had been put under the table

1870
01:07:18,000 --> 01:07:19,000
about an hour earlier

1871
01:07:19,000 --> 01:07:21,000
and they were placed under there

1872
01:07:21,000 --> 01:07:22,000
with the monitors and the press in
the room.

1873
01:07:22,000 --> 01:07:23,000
>> NARRATOR: A day after Giuliani's
presentation,

1874
01:07:23,000 --> 01:07:26,000
the video aired on local TV.

1875
01:07:26,000 --> 01:07:29,000
Their claims were debunked.

1876
01:07:29,000 --> 01:07:31,000
>> This is the short section of the
video

1877
01:07:31,000 --> 01:07:33,000
the Trump team has shared.

1878
01:07:33,000 --> 01:07:34,000
It's not suitcases being pulled from
under that table,

1879
01:07:34,000 --> 01:07:36,000
but official sealed ballot containers.

1880
01:07:36,000 --> 01:07:37,000
If we go back in the video to hours

1881
01:07:37,000 --> 01:07:40,000
before,

1882
01:07:40,000 --> 01:07:42,000
you can see that table being brought
into the room

1883
01:07:42,000 --> 01:07:44,000
at 8:22 a.m.

1884
01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:46,000
Nothing underneath no hidden suitcases.

1885
01:07:46,000 --> 01:07:47,000
As ballots that have been opened,

1886
01:07:47,000 --> 01:07:48,000
but not counted,

1887
01:07:48,000 --> 01:07:51,000
are placed in the boxes, sealed up

1888
01:07:51,000 --> 01:07:53,000
and stored under the table.

1889
01:07:53,000 --> 01:07:54,000
>> No magical appearing ballots.

1890
01:07:54,000 --> 01:07:56,000
These were ballots that were processed

1891
01:07:56,000 --> 01:07:57,000
in front of the monitors

1892
01:07:57,000 --> 01:07:58,000
put in the boxes in front of the monitors

1893
01:07:58,000 --> 01:08:00,000
and placed there in front of the monitors.

1894
01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:01,000
And I, I'll go to my deathbed,

1895
01:08:01,000 --> 01:08:04,000
knowing that they knowingly lied.

1896
01:08:04,000 --> 01:08:05,000
They looked in the state senators'
eyes

1897
01:08:05,000 --> 01:08:06,000
the people of Georgia,

1898
01:08:06,000 --> 01:08:07,000
the people of America and lied to

1899
01:08:07,000 --> 01:08:08,000
them about this,

1900
01:08:08,000 --> 01:08:09,000
and knew they were lying

1901
01:08:09,000 --> 01:08:10,000
to try to keep this charade going

1902
01:08:10,000 --> 01:08:11,000
on

1903
01:08:11,000 --> 01:08:13,000
that there was fraud in Georgia.

1904
01:08:13,000 --> 01:08:16,000
>> NARRATOR: But the conspiracy theories
continued.

1905
01:08:16,000 --> 01:08:19,000
>> This is not a conspiracy theory

1906
01:08:19,000 --> 01:08:21,000
those are legitimate questions.

1907
01:08:21,000 --> 01:08:23,000
>> I think the woman in charge here
is named Rubyreeman

1908
01:08:23,000 --> 01:08:26,000
and I think her daughter Shay Freeman
Moss,

1909
01:08:26,000 --> 01:08:28,000
either was helping here or helping
her earlier.

1910
01:08:28,000 --> 01:08:29,000
>> NARRATOR: Giuliani had caed out

1911
01:08:29,000 --> 01:08:30,000
by name

1912
01:08:30,000 --> 01:08:33,000
two election workers--

1913
01:08:33,000 --> 01:08:35,000
Shaye Moss and Ruby Freeman.

1914
01:08:35,000 --> 01:08:36,000
>> After pulling out hidden boxes

1915
01:08:36,000 --> 01:08:37,000
stuffed with ballots

1916
01:08:37,000 --> 01:08:38,000
Ruby Freeman, as seen here in this

1917
01:08:38,000 --> 01:08:41,000
video

1918
01:08:41,000 --> 01:08:43,000
repeatedly scanned the same batch
of ballots

1919
01:08:43,000 --> 01:08:46,000
at least three times.

1920
01:08:46,000 --> 01:08:47,000
>> NARRATOR: Like the claim about

1921
01:08:47,000 --> 01:08:48,000
suitcases of ballots

1922
01:08:48,000 --> 01:08:50,000
it wasn't true.

1923
01:08:50,000 --> 01:08:52,000
>> The secondary part of that was,

1924
01:08:52,000 --> 01:08:53,000
"They were scanning multiple times,
multiple times."

1925
01:08:53,000 --> 01:08:54,000
And a standard operating procedure

1926
01:08:54,000 --> 01:08:56,000
is

1927
01:08:56,000 --> 01:08:58,000
if there's a mis-scan,

1928
01:08:58,000 --> 01:08:59,000
you delete that batch and straighten

1929
01:08:59,000 --> 01:09:00,000
it up like you do.

1930
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And then run it through again-- and
that's what they were doing.

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And the reason we know that's the

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01:09:03,000 --> 01:09:05,000
case is because

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we had a hand tally that showed

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the number of ballots matched what
was counted.

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So we know that they didn't do that.

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>> I now welcome Andrea "Shaye" Moss.

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In December 2020 Miss Moss and her
mother

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01:09:22,000 --> 01:09:25,000
Ms. Ruby Freeman became the target...

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>> People say, "You know

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I know somebody just like

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01:09:30,000 --> 01:09:33,000
those two ladies in my community

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01:09:33,000 --> 01:09:35,000
who work elections."

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And they're just everyday people.

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To have them as a witness

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for our committee, I think, was very

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01:09:42,000 --> 01:09:44,000
powerful.

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I understand that you are here

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along with your mother today.

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Uh, would you like to introduce your

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01:09:50,000 --> 01:09:55,000
momma?

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01:09:56,000 --> 01:09:59,000
Hi, Ma. (chuckles)

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>> Well, I know the events that we're

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here to talk about today

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01:10:04,000 --> 01:10:06,000
are incrediblyifficult to relive.

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I'd like to show you some of the statements

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01:10:10,000 --> 01:10:12,000
that Rudy Giuliani made

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a week after that video clip from
State Farm Arena

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01:10:13,000 --> 01:10:16,000
was first circulated

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01:10:16,000 --> 01:10:17,000
by Mr. Giuliani and President Trump.

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I want to advise viewers that these

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01:10:18,000 --> 01:10:20,000
statements

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01:10:20,000 --> 01:10:21,000
are completely false and also deeply

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01:10:21,000 --> 01:10:23,000
disturbing.

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01:10:23,000 --> 01:10:27,000
>> Tape earlier in the day

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01:10:27,000 --> 01:10:29,000
of Ruby Freeman and Shaye Freeman
Moss

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01:10:29,000 --> 01:10:31,000
and one other gentleman quite obviously,

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01:10:31,000 --> 01:10:32,000
surreptitiously, passing around USB

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01:10:32,000 --> 01:10:34,000
ports

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01:10:34,000 --> 01:10:37,000
as if they're vials of heroin or cocaine.

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01:10:37,000 --> 01:10:41,000
>> He sounded a lot more despera.

1971
01:10:41,000 --> 01:10:43,000
Quite frankly, he seemed more unhinged.

1972
01:10:43,000 --> 01:10:47,000
He made some overtly racist comments.

1973
01:10:47,000 --> 01:10:48,000
>> They look like they're passing

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01:10:48,000 --> 01:10:51,000
out dope

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01:10:51,000 --> 01:10:54,000
not just ballots.

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01:10:54,000 --> 01:10:56,000
It is quite clear they are stealing
votes.

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01:10:56,000 --> 01:10:59,000
They're still walking around Georgia,

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01:10:59,000 --> 01:11:01,000
lying.

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01:11:01,000 --> 01:11:03,000
They should have been, they should
have been,

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01:11:03,000 --> 01:11:04,000
they should have been questioned already.

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01:11:04,000 --> 01:11:05,000
Their places of work, their homes

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01:11:05,000 --> 01:11:07,000
should've been searched

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01:11:07,000 --> 01:11:08,000
for evidence of ballots, evidence

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01:11:08,000 --> 01:11:11,000
of USB ports,

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01:11:11,000 --> 01:11:16,000
for evidence of voter fraud.

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01:11:18,000 --> 01:11:21,000
>> NARRATOR: But there was no evidence

1987
01:11:21,000 --> 01:11:22,000
that they were passing USB drives.

1988
01:11:22,000 --> 01:11:25,000
>> In one of the videos we just watched,

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01:11:25,000 --> 01:11:26,000
Mr. Giuliani accused you and your

1990
01:11:26,000 --> 01:11:27,000
mother

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01:11:27,000 --> 01:11:29,000
of passing some sort of USB drive

1992
01:11:29,000 --> 01:11:31,000
to each other.

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01:11:31,000 --> 01:11:33,000
What was your mom actually

1994
01:11:33,000 --> 01:11:35,000
handing you on that video?

1995
01:11:35,000 --> 01:11:37,000
>> A ginger mint.

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01:11:37,000 --> 01:11:40,000
>> Passing along a ginger mint back
and forth

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01:11:40,000 --> 01:11:41,000
gets spun up into this baseless theory,

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01:11:41,000 --> 01:11:45,000
not an accident.

1999
01:11:45,000 --> 01:11:48,000
It is meant to stir up people's anger.

2000
01:11:48,000 --> 01:11:51,000
>> It wasn't just Rudy Giuliani.

2001
01:11:51,000 --> 01:11:53,000
>> And these two Black women

2002
01:11:53,000 --> 01:11:54,000
who are ing their civic duty are vilified.

2003
01:11:54,000 --> 01:11:55,000
>> It really does end up ruining people's

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01:11:55,000 --> 01:11:58,000
lives.

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01:11:58,000 --> 01:11:59,000
I mean, I can't tell you how many

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01:11:59,000 --> 01:12:02,000
emails I got

2007
01:12:02,000 --> 01:12:03,000
with respect to Shaye Moss and Ruby

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01:12:03,000 --> 01:12:04,000
Freeman

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01:12:04,000 --> 01:12:09,000
and that they should be strung up.

2010
01:12:34,000 --> 01:12:38,000
>> Were a lot of these threats

2011
01:12:38,000 --> 01:12:40,000
and vile comments racist in nature?

2012
01:12:40,000 --> 01:12:43,000
>> A lot of them were racist a lot
of them were just hateful.

2013
01:12:43,000 --> 01:12:44,000
A lot of threats, um, wishing death

2014
01:12:44,000 --> 01:12:49,000
upon me, um...

2015
01:12:50,000 --> 01:12:51,000
Telling me that, you know, I'll be

2016
01:12:51,000 --> 01:12:55,000
in jail with my mother

2017
01:12:55,000 --> 01:12:59,000
and saying things like

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01:12:59,000 --> 01:13:04,000
"Be glad it's 2020 and not 1920."

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01:13:05,000 --> 01:13:06,000
>> These women, whose lives had been

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01:13:06,000 --> 01:13:11,000
completely destroyed,

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01:13:11,000 --> 01:13:14,000
that's where the story

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01:13:14,000 --> 01:13:15,000
about the state pressurecampaign becomes

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01:13:15,000 --> 01:13:18,000
real.

2024
01:13:18,000 --> 01:13:22,000
>> I felt horrible.

2025
01:13:22,000 --> 01:13:24,000
I felt like it was all my fault,

2026
01:13:24,000 --> 01:13:26,000
like, if I would have never decided

2027
01:13:26,000 --> 01:13:27,000
to be an elections worker, like, I

2028
01:13:27,000 --> 01:13:29,000
could have done

2029
01:13:29,000 --> 01:13:30,000
anything else, but that's what I decided

2030
01:13:30,000 --> 01:13:33,000
to do.

2031
01:13:33,000 --> 01:13:34,000
And now people are lying and spreading

2032
01:13:34,000 --> 01:13:38,000
rumors and lies

2033
01:13:38,000 --> 01:13:41,000
and attacking my mom.

2034
01:13:41,000 --> 01:13:43,000
I'm her only child.

2035
01:13:43,000 --> 01:13:44,000
I just felt like it was, it was my

2036
01:13:44,000 --> 01:13:47,000
fault

2037
01:13:47,000 --> 01:13:50,000
for putting my family in this situation.

2038
01:13:50,000 --> 01:13:54,000
♪ ♪

2039
01:13:54,000 --> 01:13:56,000
>> There are real-world consequences

2040
01:13:56,000 --> 01:13:59,000
to lying and attacking

2041
01:13:59,000 --> 01:14:02,000
and demonizing innocent people in
this country.

2042
01:14:02,000 --> 01:14:03,000
And Donald Trump has always been very

2043
01:14:03,000 --> 01:14:06,000
heedless

2044
01:14:06,000 --> 01:14:07,000
of the human costs of his lies and

2045
01:14:07,000 --> 01:14:08,000
his gaslighting.

2046
01:14:08,000 --> 01:14:13,000
And this is a very painful example
of that.

2047
01:14:13,000 --> 01:14:17,000
>> Ms. Moss, I want to thank you for
coming in to speak with us

2048
01:14:17,000 --> 01:14:18,000
and to thank you for your service

2049
01:14:18,000 --> 01:14:21,000
to our democracy.

2050
01:14:21,000 --> 01:14:25,000
With your permission

2051
01:14:25,000 --> 01:14:27,000
I would like to give your mother the
last word.

2052
01:14:27,000 --> 01:14:31,000
>> My name is Ruby Freeman.

2053
01:14:31,000 --> 01:14:33,000
I've always believed it

2054
01:14:33,000 --> 01:14:34,000
when God says that He'll make your

2055
01:14:34,000 --> 01:14:35,000
name great

2056
01:14:35,000 --> 01:14:36,000
but this is not the way it was supposed

2057
01:14:36,000 --> 01:14:38,000
to be.

2058
01:14:38,000 --> 01:14:41,000
(soft chuckle)

2059
01:14:41,000 --> 01:14:42,000
I built my own business around that

2060
01:14:42,000 --> 01:14:44,000
name

2061
01:14:44,000 --> 01:14:48,000
LaRuby's Unique Treasures,

2062
01:14:48,000 --> 01:14:52,000
a pop-up shop catering to ladies with
unique fashions.

2063
01:14:52,000 --> 01:14:56,000
I wore a shirt that proudly proclaimed

2064
01:14:56,000 --> 01:14:59,000
that I was and I am Lady Ruby.

2065
01:14:59,000 --> 01:15:03,000
Actually I had that shirt on--

2066
01:15:03,000 --> 01:15:06,000
I had that shirt in every color.

2067
01:15:06,000 --> 01:15:07,000
I wore that shirt on Election Day

2068
01:15:07,000 --> 01:15:09,000
2020.

2069
01:15:09,000 --> 01:15:12,000
I haven't worn it since,

2070
01:15:12,000 --> 01:15:15,000
and I'll never wear it again.

2071
01:15:15,000 --> 01:15:20,000
Now I won't even introduce myself
by my name anymore.

2072
01:15:20,000 --> 01:15:24,000
There is nowhere I feel safe.

2073
01:15:24,000 --> 01:15:27,000
Nowhere.

2074
01:15:27,000 --> 01:15:29,000
Do you know how it feels to have

2075
01:15:29,000 --> 01:15:33,000
the president of the United States
to target you?

2076
01:15:33,000 --> 01:15:34,000
The president of the United States

2077
01:15:34,000 --> 01:15:37,000
is supposed

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01:15:37,000 --> 01:15:40,000
to represent every American.

2079
01:15:40,000 --> 01:15:43,000
Not to target one.

2080
01:15:43,000 --> 01:15:47,000
But he targeted me Lady Ruby,

2081
01:15:47,000 --> 01:15:50,000
a small business owner a mother

2082
01:15:50,000 --> 01:15:54,000
a proud American citizen

2083
01:15:54,000 --> 01:15:57,000
who stand up to help Fulton County
run an election

2084
01:15:57,000 --> 01:16:01,000
in the middle of the pandemic.

2085
01:16:01,000 --> 01:16:06,000
♪ ♪

2086
01:16:07,000 --> 01:16:11,000
>> NARRATOR: Federal prosecutors have
cited

2087
01:16:11,000 --> 01:16:13,000
the lies about Freeman and Moss in
their indictment.

2088
01:16:13,000 --> 01:16:16,000
>> "Co-Conspirator 1 orchestrated
a presentation

2089
01:16:16,000 --> 01:16:19,000
"to a judiciary subcommittee of the
Georgia state senate,

2090
01:16:19,000 --> 01:16:20,000
"with the intention of misleading

2091
01:16:20,000 --> 01:16:22,000
state senators

2092
01:16:22,000 --> 01:16:23,000
into blocking the ascertainment of

2093
01:16:23,000 --> 01:16:25,000
legitimate electors."

2094
01:16:25,000 --> 01:16:29,000
>> Breaking news in Georgis investigation

2095
01:16:29,000 --> 01:16:31,000
into alleged interference in the 2020
presidential election.

2096
01:16:31,000 --> 01:16:32,000
>> NARRATOR: In Georgia, prosecutors

2097
01:16:32,000 --> 01:16:35,000
have ao weighed in

2098
01:16:35,000 --> 01:16:38,000
with their own charges.

2099
01:16:38,000 --> 01:16:39,000
>> "Members of the enterprise,

2100
01:16:39,000 --> 01:16:41,000
"including several of the defendants,

2101
01:16:41,000 --> 01:16:42,000
"falsely accused Fulton County election

2102
01:16:42,000 --> 01:16:43,000
worker Ruby Freeman

2103
01:16:43,000 --> 01:16:44,000
of committing election crimes in Fulton

2104
01:16:44,000 --> 01:16:47,000
County, Georgia."

2105
01:16:47,000 --> 01:16:50,000
(flash bulb pops)

2106
01:16:50,000 --> 01:16:51,000
>> NARRATOR: Trump, Giuliani and others

2107
01:16:51,000 --> 01:16:52,000
have been charged in Georgia with

2108
01:16:52,000 --> 01:16:53,000
a host of crimes

2109
01:16:53,000 --> 01:16:54,000
related to their attempts to overturn

2110
01:16:54,000 --> 01:16:56,000
the 2020 election.

2111
01:16:56,000 --> 01:17:00,000
While Trump and Giuliani await trial

2112
01:17:00,000 --> 01:17:03,000
four of their codefendants have pled
guilty

2113
01:17:03,000 --> 01:17:06,000
including Jenna Ellis.

2114
01:17:06,000 --> 01:17:08,000
>> If I knew then what I know now,

2115
01:17:08,000 --> 01:17:09,000
I would have declined to represent

2116
01:17:09,000 --> 01:17:10,000
Donald Trump.

2117
01:17:10,000 --> 01:17:11,000
I look back on this whole experience

2118
01:17:11,000 --> 01:17:13,000
with deep remorse

2119
01:17:13,000 --> 01:17:17,000
for those failures of mine Your Honor.

2120
01:17:17,000 --> 01:17:19,000
>> It's very important that

2121
01:17:19,000 --> 01:17:20,000
Jenna Ellis pled guilty to criminal

2122
01:17:20,000 --> 01:17:21,000
charges.
Because it raises the point that,

2123
01:17:21,000 --> 01:17:23,000
"Wait a minute

2124
01:17:23,000 --> 01:17:25,000
this wasn't a traditional lawyer-client
relationship."

2125
01:17:25,000 --> 01:17:29,000
And so when you have lawyers pleading
guilty to crimes,

2126
01:17:29,000 --> 01:17:33,000
that is broadcasting loudly

2127
01:17:33,000 --> 01:17:35,000
that they were not providing conventional
legal advice.

2128
01:17:35,000 --> 01:17:39,000
>> NARRATOR: In a separate civil case

2129
01:17:39,000 --> 01:17:41,000
a federal court ordered Rudy Giuliani

2130
01:17:41,000 --> 01:17:42,000
to pay $146 million for defaming Freeman

2131
01:17:42,000 --> 01:17:44,000
and Moss.

2132
01:17:44,000 --> 01:17:48,000
>> A legal loss for Rudy Giuliani

2133
01:17:48,000 --> 01:17:49,000
that could cost him millions.

2134
01:17:49,000 --> 01:17:50,000
>> Rudy Giuliani, the once-respected

2135
01:17:50,000 --> 01:17:51,000
New York mayor

2136
01:17:51,000 --> 01:17:54,000
and former attorney for Donald Trump

2137
01:17:54,000 --> 01:17:56,000
has filed for bankruptcy.

2138
01:17:56,000 --> 01:17:58,000
>> Forced to declare bankruptcy

2139
01:17:58,000 --> 01:17:59,000
the latest chapter in a dramatic fall

2140
01:17:59,000 --> 01:18:00,000
for the man once dubbed "America's

2141
01:18:00,000 --> 01:18:05,000
mayor."

2142
01:18:08,000 --> 01:18:09,000
>> NARRATOR: As the January 6th hearings

2143
01:18:09,000 --> 01:18:13,000
continued

2144
01:18:13,000 --> 01:18:16,000
the committee linked the efforts in
Georgia to Trump personally.

2145
01:18:16,000 --> 01:18:19,000
(gavel bangs)

2146
01:18:19,000 --> 01:18:21,000
They had evidence and a witness.

2147
01:18:21,000 --> 01:18:24,000
>> Brad Raffensperger

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01:18:24,000 --> 01:18:25,000
is the 29th Secretary of State of

2149
01:18:25,000 --> 01:18:26,000
Georgia

2150
01:18:26,000 --> 01:18:30,000
serving in this role since 2019.

2151
01:18:30,000 --> 01:18:33,000
>> My job as secretary of state

2152
01:18:33,000 --> 01:18:34,000
is to make sure we have honest fair,

2153
01:18:34,000 --> 01:18:37,000
and accurate elections.

2154
01:18:37,000 --> 01:18:40,000
>> He's a very strong Christian,

2155
01:18:40,000 --> 01:18:42,000
he's a very strong Republican,

2156
01:18:42,000 --> 01:18:43,000
and he's very conservative.

2157
01:18:43,000 --> 01:18:45,000
He was an engineer.

2158
01:18:45,000 --> 01:18:47,000
Now, being an engineer allowed him

2159
01:18:47,000 --> 01:18:48,000
to lean into the numbers and lean

2160
01:18:48,000 --> 01:18:49,000
into the data.

2161
01:18:49,000 --> 01:18:52,000
He felt very comfortable with that,

2162
01:18:52,000 --> 01:18:55,000
which is, you know, a rare thing for
anybody in politics,

2163
01:18:55,000 --> 01:18:57,000
because engineers are very mathematical,

2164
01:18:57,000 --> 01:18:59,000
very linear, you know,

2165
01:18:59,000 --> 01:19:01,000
not always the biggest personalities.

2166
01:19:01,000 --> 01:19:02,000
>> I looked at, as the office osecretary

2167
01:19:02,000 --> 01:19:04,000
of state

2168
01:19:04,000 --> 01:19:05,000
as how do we really improve the process

2169
01:19:05,000 --> 01:19:07,000
of elections.

2170
01:19:07,000 --> 01:19:08,000
All 159 counties had new election

2171
01:19:08,000 --> 01:19:11,000
equipment

2172
01:19:11,000 --> 01:19:14,000
with a verifiable paper ballot

2173
01:19:14,000 --> 01:19:17,000
ready for the election of 2020.

2174
01:19:17,000 --> 01:19:21,000
>> NARRATOR: It was a phone call from
the president

2175
01:19:21,000 --> 01:19:23,000
that put Raffensperger at the center
of the hearings.

2176
01:19:23,000 --> 01:19:28,000
(dial tone phone dialing out)

2177
01:19:32,000 --> 01:19:35,000
>> That phone call

2178
01:19:35,000 --> 01:19:36,000
is one of the most powerful piec of

2179
01:19:36,000 --> 01:19:37,000
evidence

2180
01:19:37,000 --> 01:19:39,000
that's come out of

2181
01:19:39,000 --> 01:19:42,000
this, this post-election period.

2182
01:19:42,000 --> 01:19:44,000
(electronic beeping, indistinct chatter)

2183
01:19:44,000 --> 01:19:48,000
(connecting tone)

2184
01:19:48,000 --> 01:19:52,000
>> Oh-- uh...

2185
01:19:52,000 --> 01:19:56,000
>> Mark Meadows reached out to

2186
01:19:56,000 --> 01:19:57,000
my deputy secretary of state

2187
01:19:57,000 --> 01:20:00,000
and she called me, and I told her

2188
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:03,000
I didn't think that was a good idea.

2189
01:20:03,000 --> 01:20:05,000
And we were kind of told that,

2190
01:20:05,000 --> 01:20:06,000
no, we definitely need to have this

2191
01:20:06,000 --> 01:20:08,000
conversation.

2192
01:20:08,000 --> 01:20:13,000
(on recording):

2193
01:20:34,000 --> 01:20:38,000
>> It shows how frantic and desperate

2194
01:20:38,000 --> 01:20:39,000
President Trump had become by that

2195
01:20:39,000 --> 01:20:42,000
phone call.

2196
01:20:42,000 --> 01:20:45,000
I think it shows how his demands

2197
01:20:45,000 --> 01:20:46,000
were fully removed from any kind of

2198
01:20:46,000 --> 01:20:51,000
evidence.

2199
01:21:00,000 --> 01:21:04,000
>> I just listened to him talk.

2200
01:21:04,000 --> 01:21:07,000
I was making some notes.

2201
01:21:07,000 --> 01:21:08,000
"Okay, 5,000.

2202
01:21:08,000 --> 01:21:09,000
Okay, great," and I'll respond to

2203
01:21:09,000 --> 01:21:10,000
that.

2204
01:21:10,000 --> 01:21:12,000
But when I got an opportunity to,

2205
01:21:12,000 --> 01:21:15,000
you know, speak,

2206
01:21:15,000 --> 01:21:17,000
then I, I just said, "Well, Mr. President

2207
01:21:17,000 --> 01:21:18,000
the challenge that you have is your
data is wrong."

2208
01:21:18,000 --> 01:21:23,000
(on recording):

2209
01:21:29,000 --> 01:21:30,000
My job was just to respond with the

2210
01:21:30,000 --> 01:21:33,000
facts.

2211
01:21:33,000 --> 01:21:36,000
And if I had a different set of facts

2212
01:21:36,000 --> 01:21:37,000
I would have responded with whatever

2213
01:21:37,000 --> 01:21:38,000
they were.

2214
01:21:38,000 --> 01:21:39,000
We just... our job was to give him

2215
01:21:39,000 --> 01:21:40,000
the true data,

2216
01:21:40,000 --> 01:21:45,000
which I did.

2217
01:21:58,000 --> 01:22:02,000
>> The former president was pushing

2218
01:22:02,000 --> 01:22:05,000
to see if he could somehow, you know...

2219
01:22:05,000 --> 01:22:07,000
it would move me somewhere, someplace.

2220
01:22:07,000 --> 01:22:08,000
Because I think that's been an effective

2221
01:22:08,000 --> 01:22:10,000
strategy for him

2222
01:22:10,000 --> 01:22:11,000
over his business career and political

2223
01:22:11,000 --> 01:22:13,000
career.

2224
01:22:13,000 --> 01:22:17,000
That people tended to buckle

2225
01:22:17,000 --> 01:22:19,000
instead of stand firm on their principles.

2226
01:22:19,000 --> 01:22:23,000
>> NARRATOR: In Georgia,

2227
01:22:23,000 --> 01:22:28,000
Trump had lost to Biden by 11,779
votes.

2228
01:22:43,000 --> 01:22:47,000
>> Trump didn't understand

2229
01:22:47,000 --> 01:22:48,000
it just doesn't click... didn't click

2230
01:22:48,000 --> 01:22:50,000
with him

2231
01:22:50,000 --> 01:22:52,000
that someone wouldn't just give in.

2232
01:22:52,000 --> 01:22:56,000
It just did not occur to him

2233
01:22:56,000 --> 01:22:57,000
that there was some higher level of

2234
01:22:57,000 --> 01:22:58,000
loyalty

2235
01:22:58,000 --> 01:23:02,000
to the law and the Constitution.

2236
01:23:02,000 --> 01:23:05,000
>> I knew that we had followed the
law,

2237
01:23:05,000 --> 01:23:07,000
we had followed the Constitution

2238
01:23:07,000 --> 01:23:09,000
and I think sometimes momentsrequire
you to stand up

2239
01:23:09,000 --> 01:23:12,000
and just take the shots.

2240
01:23:12,000 --> 01:23:13,000
You're doing your job, and that's

2241
01:23:13,000 --> 01:23:14,000
all we did.

2242
01:23:14,000 --> 01:23:17,000
You know, we just followed the law

2243
01:23:17,000 --> 01:23:18,000
and we followed the Constitution

2244
01:23:18,000 --> 01:23:19,000
and at the end of the day, President

2245
01:23:19,000 --> 01:23:20,000
Trump came up short.

2246
01:23:20,000 --> 01:23:24,000
But I had to be faithful to the Constitution

2247
01:23:24,000 --> 01:23:26,000
and that's what I swore an oath to
do.

2248
01:23:26,000 --> 01:23:27,000
>> This call becomes critical, because

2249
01:23:27,000 --> 01:23:30,000
it's recorded.

2250
01:23:30,000 --> 01:23:33,000
We get to hear in the president's
own voice

2251
01:23:33,000 --> 01:23:36,000
how he's doing it, what he's doing,

2252
01:23:36,000 --> 01:23:38,000
how he's putting pressure on these
people.

2253
01:23:38,000 --> 01:23:40,000
>> So look all I want to do is this.

2254
01:23:40,000 --> 01:23:43,000
I just want to find, uh...

2255
01:23:43,000 --> 01:23:48,000
11,780 votes.

2256
01:23:48,000 --> 01:23:49,000
>> This is a scheme to overthrow an

2257
01:23:49,000 --> 01:23:52,000
election.

2258
01:23:52,000 --> 01:23:53,000
He knew the number that he needed

2259
01:23:53,000 --> 01:23:55,000
to hit

2260
01:23:55,000 --> 01:23:58,000
to change the outcome of the election.

2261
01:23:58,000 --> 01:24:01,000
>> NARRATOR: And Trump accused

2262
01:24:01,000 --> 01:24:02,000
Raffensperger himself of a crime--

2263
01:24:02,000 --> 01:24:07,000
allowing election fraud.

2264
01:24:14,000 --> 01:24:18,000
>> The president of the United States

2265
01:24:18,000 --> 01:24:20,000
demanding that an election official

2266
01:24:20,000 --> 01:24:22,000
find thousands of votes,

2267
01:24:22,000 --> 01:24:23,000
and then strongly implying

2268
01:24:23,000 --> 01:24:26,000
that there would be criminal sanction

2269
01:24:26,000 --> 01:24:27,000
in the event that those votes were
not found.

2270
01:24:27,000 --> 01:24:29,000
I mean, that is terrible evidence
for the president.

2271
01:24:29,000 --> 01:24:30,000
>> What I knew is that we didn't have

2272
01:24:30,000 --> 01:24:34,000
any votes to find.

2273
01:24:34,000 --> 01:24:36,000
We continued to look we investigated--

2274
01:24:36,000 --> 01:24:37,000
like I just shared the numbers with

2275
01:24:37,000 --> 01:24:39,000
you--

2276
01:24:39,000 --> 01:24:41,000
there were no votes to find.

2277
01:24:41,000 --> 01:24:44,000
>> That call is damning

2278
01:24:44,000 --> 01:24:45,000
and I think it's going to be damning

2279
01:24:45,000 --> 01:24:46,000
potentially in front of a jury

2280
01:24:46,000 --> 01:24:48,000
because juries when they can hear

2281
01:24:48,000 --> 01:24:50,000
a defendant's voice on tape,

2282
01:24:50,000 --> 01:24:52,000
when they can hear something

2283
01:24:52,000 --> 01:24:54,000
that is that real and that visceral,

2284
01:24:54,000 --> 01:24:59,000
it can be incredibly powerful testimony.

2285
01:25:04,000 --> 01:25:08,000
(call ends)

2286
01:25:08,000 --> 01:25:09,000
>> "The Defendant said that he needed

2287
01:25:09,000 --> 01:25:12,000
to 'find'

2288
01:25:12,000 --> 01:25:15,000
11,780 votes."

2289
01:25:15,000 --> 01:25:19,000
>> It shows him demanding a remedy

2290
01:25:19,000 --> 01:25:21,000
that doesn't make any sense

2291
01:25:21,000 --> 01:25:23,000
in the context of anything lawful.

2292
01:25:23,000 --> 01:25:26,000
That's just asking

2293
01:25:26,000 --> 01:25:27,000
"I want to win

2294
01:25:27,000 --> 01:25:28,000
you've gotta do it."

2295
01:25:28,000 --> 01:25:29,000
I think it's going to be

2296
01:25:29,000 --> 01:25:30,000
a very powerful call

2297
01:25:30,000 --> 01:25:31,000
for that jury.

2298
01:25:31,000 --> 01:25:32,000
>> NARRATOR: For his part, Trump has

2299
01:25:32,000 --> 01:25:33,000
defended

2300
01:25:33,000 --> 01:25:35,000
the phone call with Raffensperger--

2301
01:25:35,000 --> 01:25:37,000
describing it as "perfect."

2302
01:25:37,000 --> 01:25:40,000
>> "A 'perfect' phone call

2303
01:25:40,000 --> 01:25:41,000
"to discuss a rigged and stolen election

2304
01:25:41,000 --> 01:25:43,000
"and what to do about it

2305
01:25:43,000 --> 01:25:44,000
"with many people, including lawyers

2306
01:25:44,000 --> 01:25:45,000
d others

2307
01:25:45,000 --> 01:25:50,000
knowingly on the line."

2308
01:25:52,000 --> 01:25:55,000
♪ ♪

2309
01:25:55,000 --> 01:25:58,000
>> After weeks of trying to overturn

2310
01:25:58,000 --> 01:26:00,000
the results of the election,

2311
01:26:00,000 --> 01:26:02,000
his legal team has come up with nothing.

2312
01:26:02,000 --> 01:26:03,000
>> NARRATOR: In the middle of December

2313
01:26:03,000 --> 01:26:04,000
2020...

2314
01:26:04,000 --> 01:26:05,000
>> In the courts where evidence gets

2315
01:26:05,000 --> 01:26:06,000
scrutinized,

2316
01:26:06,000 --> 01:26:09,000
authenticated, and tested, they're
getting hammered.

2317
01:26:09,000 --> 01:26:11,000
>> NARRATOR: As the president was
failing

2318
01:26:11,000 --> 01:26:13,000
in his attempts to reverse the election...

2319
01:26:13,000 --> 01:26:14,000
>> All but now ending the president's

2320
01:26:14,000 --> 01:26:15,000
attempt

2321
01:26:15,000 --> 01:26:18,000
to reverse his election loss.

2322
01:26:18,000 --> 01:26:19,000
>> NARRATOR: A new pse began.

2323
01:26:19,000 --> 01:26:21,000
>> And it comes as the electoral college

2324
01:26:21,000 --> 01:26:22,000
is set to cast their votes for president

2325
01:26:22,000 --> 01:26:23,000
tomorrow.

2326
01:26:23,000 --> 01:26:26,000
>> On December 14, 2020,

2327
01:26:26,000 --> 01:26:27,000
the presidential election was officially

2328
01:26:27,000 --> 01:26:30,000
over.

2329
01:26:30,000 --> 01:26:33,000
The electoral college had cast its
vote.

2330
01:26:33,000 --> 01:26:36,000
Joe Biden was the president- elect
of the United States.

2331
01:26:36,000 --> 01:26:37,000
>> The president has reached the end

2332
01:26:37,000 --> 01:26:40,000
of the road.

2333
01:26:40,000 --> 01:26:41,000
The electoral college certified the

2334
01:26:41,000 --> 01:26:43,000
election.

2335
01:26:43,000 --> 01:26:45,000
His legal team and allies lost more
than 50 challenges.

2336
01:26:45,000 --> 01:26:48,000
>> The cases run their course,

2337
01:26:48,000 --> 01:26:50,000
the electoral college meets,

2338
01:26:50,000 --> 01:26:52,000
people are saying no.

2339
01:26:52,000 --> 01:26:53,000
So he's running out of options, right?

2340
01:26:53,000 --> 01:26:55,000
The sequence is increasingly desperate.

2341
01:26:55,000 --> 01:26:56,000
>> On Friday, December 18, his team

2342
01:26:56,000 --> 01:26:58,000
of outside advisors

2343
01:26:58,000 --> 01:26:59,000
paid him a surprise visit in the White

2344
01:26:59,000 --> 01:27:02,000
Hou

2345
01:27:02,000 --> 01:27:05,000
that would quickly become the stuff
of legend.

2346
01:27:05,000 --> 01:27:09,000
>> This meeting is one of the most
extraordinary meetings

2347
01:27:09,000 --> 01:27:11,000
that ever happened in that building

2348
01:27:11,000 --> 01:27:14,000
in more than 200 years of history.

2349
01:27:14,000 --> 01:27:16,000
Here you had a president of the United
States

2350
01:27:16,000 --> 01:27:17,000
who had lost an election in the Oval

2351
01:27:17,000 --> 01:27:18,000
Office

2352
01:27:18,000 --> 01:27:20,000
being advised by...

2353
01:27:20,000 --> 01:27:21,000
a swarm of colorful characters to

2354
01:27:21,000 --> 01:27:24,000
say the least.

2355
01:27:24,000 --> 01:27:27,000
>> NARRATOR: At the meeting:

2356
01:27:27,000 --> 01:27:28,000
former national security advisor Michael

2357
01:27:28,000 --> 01:27:29,000
Flynn

2358
01:27:29,000 --> 01:27:32,000
and attorney Sidney Powell

2359
01:27:32,000 --> 01:27:34,000
by then both known for

2360
01:27:34,000 --> 01:27:36,000
their embrace of conspiracy theories

2361
01:27:36,000 --> 01:27:38,000
about the election.

2362
01:27:38,000 --> 01:27:42,000
>> You had people in there

2363
01:27:42,000 --> 01:27:44,000
counseling Donald Trump that he should

2364
01:27:44,000 --> 01:27:47,000
explicitly order martial law

2365
01:27:47,000 --> 01:27:49,000
that he should create a special czar.

2366
01:27:49,000 --> 01:27:50,000
The person they had in mind for this

2367
01:27:50,000 --> 01:27:54,000
was Sidney Powell

2368
01:27:54,000 --> 01:27:56,000
that she should become the special
elections czar

2369
01:27:56,000 --> 01:28:00,000
and be empowered

2370
01:28:00,000 --> 01:28:01,000
to use the machinery of government

2371
01:28:01,000 --> 01:28:04,000
itself
to overturn the election.

2372
01:28:04,000 --> 01:28:05,000
>> NARRATOR: As word of the meeting

2373
01:28:05,000 --> 01:28:08,000
spread,

2374
01:28:08,000 --> 01:28:10,000
senior White House lawyers rushed
to the oval office,

2375
01:28:10,000 --> 01:28:15,000
including White House counsel Pat
Cipollone.

2376
01:28:28,000 --> 01:28:32,000
>> President Trump's close advisors

2377
01:28:32,000 --> 01:28:35,000
White House Counsel Pat Cipollone,

2378
01:28:35,000 --> 01:28:38,000
Eric Herschmann, advisor to the president

2379
01:28:38,000 --> 01:28:40,000
and others who were in that room

2380
01:28:40,000 --> 01:28:43,000
who were saying to this group,

2381
01:28:43,000 --> 01:28:44,000
"What evidence do you even have

2382
01:28:44,000 --> 01:28:46,000
that there was fraud in the election?"

2383
01:28:46,000 --> 01:28:47,000
>> NARRATOR: The White House lawyers

2384
01:28:47,000 --> 01:28:48,000
were insistent

2385
01:28:48,000 --> 01:28:50,000
that the psident shouldn't declare
martial law

2386
01:28:50,000 --> 01:28:53,000
to overturn the election

2387
01:28:53,000 --> 01:28:54,000
or empower Sidney Powell.

2388
01:28:54,000 --> 01:28:55,000
>> At times there were pple shouting

2389
01:28:55,000 --> 01:28:57,000
at each other

2390
01:28:57,000 --> 01:29:02,000
hurling insults at each other.

2391
01:29:18,000 --> 01:29:23,000
(chuckles)

2392
01:29:32,000 --> 01:29:33,000
>> The president is taking all of

2393
01:29:33,000 --> 01:29:36,000
this in,

2394
01:29:36,000 --> 01:29:37,000
mostly a passive observer in this

2395
01:29:37,000 --> 01:29:38,000
meeting,

2396
01:29:38,000 --> 01:29:41,000
but he is watching this play out.

2397
01:29:41,000 --> 01:29:42,000
His close advisors telling his lawyers,

2398
01:29:42,000 --> 01:29:43,000
"You have no evidence that there was

2399
01:29:43,000 --> 01:29:45,000
fraud in the election.

2400
01:29:45,000 --> 01:29:49,000
"And you've lost every case.

2401
01:29:49,000 --> 01:29:51,000
Every case you brought in to court,
you've lost."

2402
01:29:51,000 --> 01:29:52,000
And Sidney Powell says "The judges
were corrupt.

2403
01:29:52,000 --> 01:29:55,000
That's why we lost."

2404
01:29:55,000 --> 01:29:57,000
And Eric Herschmann, supporter,

2405
01:29:57,000 --> 01:29:59,000
close advisor to the president, says

2406
01:29:59,000 --> 01:30:00,000
"What are you talking about?

2407
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:02,000
"Every case?

2408
01:30:02,000 --> 01:30:03,000
"The judges? We appointed many of
those judges.

2409
01:30:03,000 --> 01:30:06,000
"You're saying they're all corrupt?

2410
01:30:06,000 --> 01:30:07,000
Like you people have nothing you're
crazy."

2411
01:30:07,000 --> 01:30:09,000
>> I think that it got to the point

2412
01:30:09,000 --> 01:30:10,000
where the screaming was

2413
01:30:10,000 --> 01:30:12,000
completely completely out there.

2414
01:30:12,000 --> 01:30:15,000
I mean, you get people walk in

2415
01:30:15,000 --> 01:30:16,000
it was late at night

2416
01:30:16,000 --> 01:30:17,000
it'd been a long day, and...

2417
01:30:17,000 --> 01:30:19,000
what they were proposing

2418
01:30:19,000 --> 01:30:21,000
I thought was nuts.

2419
01:30:21,000 --> 01:30:22,000
Flynn screamed at me that I was a

2420
01:30:22,000 --> 01:30:24,000
quitter and everything

2421
01:30:24,000 --> 01:30:26,000
kept on standing up and turning around

2422
01:30:26,000 --> 01:30:27,000
and screaming at me.

2423
01:30:27,000 --> 01:30:28,000
And at a certain point I had it with
him.

2424
01:30:28,000 --> 01:30:31,000
So I yelled back.

2425
01:30:31,000 --> 01:30:33,000
"Better sit your effing ass back down."

2426
01:30:33,000 --> 01:30:34,000
>> I'm gonna categorically describe

2427
01:30:34,000 --> 01:30:38,000
it as...

2428
01:30:38,000 --> 01:30:42,000
"you guys are not tough enough."

2429
01:30:42,000 --> 01:30:44,000
Or maybe I put it another way,

2430
01:30:44,000 --> 01:30:46,000
"You're a bunch of pussies."

2431
01:30:46,000 --> 01:30:48,000
Excuse the expression.

2432
01:30:48,000 --> 01:30:50,000
>> At the end of it, Trump sees that

2433
01:30:50,000 --> 01:30:52,000
there is so much opposition,

2434
01:30:52,000 --> 01:30:54,000
including from his White House counsel.

2435
01:30:54,000 --> 01:30:55,000
He understands that people would very

2436
01:30:55,000 --> 01:30:57,000
likely resign

2437
01:30:57,000 --> 01:31:00,000
And so, it seems that he reluctantlyoncludes

2438
01:31:00,000 --> 01:31:01,000
that he's not going to declare martial

2439
01:31:01,000 --> 01:31:04,000
law.

2440
01:31:04,000 --> 01:31:08,000
NARRATOR: Instead, late that night

2441
01:31:08,000 --> 01:31:10,000
after the meeting had broken up,

2442
01:31:10,000 --> 01:31:13,000
the president turned to Twitter.

2443
01:31:13,000 --> 01:31:16,000
>> "Statistically impossible to have
lost the 2020 election.

2444
01:31:16,000 --> 01:31:19,000
"Big protest in D.C. on January 6th.

2445
01:31:19,000 --> 01:31:20,000
Be there, will be wild!" (Twitter

2446
01:31:20,000 --> 01:31:23,000
chime)

2447
01:31:23,000 --> 01:31:27,000
>> Dissatisfied with his options,

2448
01:31:27,000 --> 01:31:29,000
Donald Trump decided to call for a
large and wild crowd

2449
01:31:29,000 --> 01:31:33,000
on Wednesday, January 6,

2450
01:31:33,000 --> 01:31:35,000
the day when Congress would meet

2451
01:31:35,000 --> 01:31:37,000
to certify the electoral votes.

2452
01:31:37,000 --> 01:31:38,000
>> While he doesn't actually go ahead

2453
01:31:38,000 --> 01:31:41,000
with martial law,

2454
01:31:41,000 --> 01:31:42,000
he is embracing a path that is in

2455
01:31:42,000 --> 01:31:44,000
fact, radical anyway.

2456
01:31:44,000 --> 01:31:48,000
He's not using the United States miliry

2457
01:31:48,000 --> 01:31:49,000
but he's summoning his own army of

2458
01:31:49,000 --> 01:31:51,000
supporters to Washington,

2459
01:31:51,000 --> 01:31:54,000
some of whom are known to be extremists

2460
01:31:54,000 --> 01:31:56,000
and in some cases violent,

2461
01:31:56,000 --> 01:31:58,000
to help him stay in office

2462
01:31:58,000 --> 01:32:01,000
over the will of the voters.

2463
01:32:01,000 --> 01:32:03,000
>> It's Saturday, December 19.

2464
01:32:03,000 --> 01:32:06,000
And one of the most historic events

2465
01:32:06,000 --> 01:32:07,000
in American history has just taken

2466
01:32:07,000 --> 01:32:09,000
place.

2467
01:32:09,000 --> 01:32:12,000
President Trump,

2468
01:32:12,000 --> 01:32:14,000
in the early morning hours today,

2469
01:32:14,000 --> 01:32:15,000
tweeted that he wants the American
people

2470
01:32:15,000 --> 01:32:16,000
to march on Washington D.C. on January

2471
01:32:16,000 --> 01:32:19,000
6.

2472
01:32:19,000 --> 01:32:23,000
>> This wildly inflammatory tweet

2473
01:32:23,000 --> 01:32:24,000
was a bullhorn that immediately went

2474
01:32:24,000 --> 01:32:26,000
out to

2475
01:32:26,000 --> 01:32:27,000
some of the more violent organized

2476
01:32:27,000 --> 01:32:30,000
Trump supporters--

2477
01:32:30,000 --> 01:32:33,000
The Oath Keepers.

2478
01:32:33,000 --> 01:32:36,000
>> "He called us all to the Capitol

2479
01:32:36,000 --> 01:32:38,000
"and wants us to make it wild.

2480
01:32:38,000 --> 01:32:39,000
"Gentlemen we are heading to D.C.

2481
01:32:39,000 --> 01:32:42,000
Pack your (bleep)."

2482
01:32:42,000 --> 01:32:44,000
>> The Proud Boys...

2483
01:32:44,000 --> 01:32:45,000
>> "It's all or nothing, patriots.

2484
01:32:45,000 --> 01:32:48,000
Boldness and bravery is necessary."

2485
01:32:48,000 --> 01:32:51,000
>> They heard it as a message from
their leader,

2486
01:32:51,000 --> 01:32:55,000
"Come to Washington."

2487
01:32:55,000 --> 01:32:58,000
>> The "Will be wild!" tweet

2488
01:32:58,000 --> 01:33:01,000
was the call in a call and response.

2489
01:33:01,000 --> 01:33:04,000
They mobilized to come to Washington.

2490
01:33:04,000 --> 01:33:06,000
These individuals came to Washington

2491
01:33:06,000 --> 01:33:07,000
because Donald Trump told them to
be there.

2492
01:33:07,000 --> 01:33:08,000
Because Donald Trump told them the

2493
01:33:08,000 --> 01:33:09,000
election was rigged.

2494
01:33:09,000 --> 01:33:11,000
Because Donald Trump told them

2495
01:33:11,000 --> 01:33:12,000
that someone was trying to take their

2496
01:33:12,000 --> 01:33:13,000
votes away from them

2497
01:33:13,000 --> 01:33:17,000
and silence their voices.

2498
01:33:17,000 --> 01:33:18,000
They believed it.

2499
01:33:18,000 --> 01:33:19,000
>> This could be Trump's last stand.

2500
01:33:19,000 --> 01:33:20,000
And it's a time when he has specifically

2501
01:33:20,000 --> 01:33:21,000
called on

2502
01:33:21,000 --> 01:33:24,000
his supporters to arrive in D.C.

2503
01:33:24,000 --> 01:33:27,000
>> The time for games is over.

2504
01:33:27,000 --> 01:33:29,000
The time for action is now.

2505
01:33:29,000 --> 01:33:31,000
Where were you when history called?

2506
01:33:31,000 --> 01:33:32,000
Where were you when you and your children's

2507
01:33:32,000 --> 01:33:33,000
destiny

2508
01:33:33,000 --> 01:33:37,000
and future was on the line?

2509
01:33:37,000 --> 01:33:41,000
>> NARRATOR: For prosecutors, that
tweet,

2510
01:33:41,000 --> 01:33:43,000
the call to march on Washington,

2511
01:33:43,000 --> 01:33:44,000
represents a crucial step in Trump's

2512
01:33:44,000 --> 01:33:46,000
criminal conspiracy.

2513
01:33:46,000 --> 01:33:47,000
>> Jack Smith's theory is that that

2514
01:33:47,000 --> 01:33:50,000
was part of the attempt

2515
01:33:50,000 --> 01:33:51,000
to obstruct the proceedings on January

2516
01:33:51,000 --> 01:33:54,000
6.

2517
01:33:54,000 --> 01:33:58,000
That Trump wanted a large,

2518
01:33:58,000 --> 01:34:01,000
at least boisterous, if not violent

2519
01:34:01,000 --> 01:34:04,000
crowd there to interfere with the
proceedings

2520
01:34:04,000 --> 01:34:08,000
maybe stop them,

2521
01:34:08,000 --> 01:34:09,000
put pressure on the people there.

2522
01:34:09,000 --> 01:34:10,000
And that was one component of his

2523
01:34:10,000 --> 01:34:11,000
obstruction.

2524
01:34:11,000 --> 01:34:12,000
>> "After cultivating widespread anger

2525
01:34:12,000 --> 01:34:15,000
and resentment for weeks

2526
01:34:15,000 --> 01:34:18,000
"with his knowingly false claims of
election fraud,

2527
01:34:18,000 --> 01:34:21,000
"the Defendant urged his supporters

2528
01:34:21,000 --> 01:34:23,000
"to travel to Washington

2529
01:34:23,000 --> 01:34:25,000
on the day of the certification proceeding."

2530
01:34:25,000 --> 01:34:28,000
>> The special counsel is sort of
situating it as this hinge,

2531
01:34:28,000 --> 01:34:29,000
where things sort of really start

2532
01:34:29,000 --> 01:34:31,000
to go wrong.

2533
01:34:31,000 --> 01:34:35,000
That shows that this was part of a
plan.

2534
01:34:35,000 --> 01:34:39,000
And if they can convince the jury
of th

2535
01:34:39,000 --> 01:34:41,000
that's a huge portion of the ball
game.

2536
01:34:41,000 --> 01:34:45,000
>> NARRATOR: In their filings,

2537
01:34:45,000 --> 01:34:46,000
Trump's attorneys have argued

2538
01:34:46,000 --> 01:34:48,000
that his statements were protected

2539
01:34:48,000 --> 01:34:49,000
by the First Amendment.

2540
01:34:49,000 --> 01:34:50,000
>> "The indictment therefore attempts

2541
01:34:50,000 --> 01:34:51,000
to criminalize

2542
01:34:51,000 --> 01:34:52,000
"core political speech and political

2543
01:34:52,000 --> 01:34:54,000
advocacy

2544
01:34:54,000 --> 01:34:57,000
"which is categorically impermissible

2545
01:34:57,000 --> 01:34:59,000
under the First Amendment."

2546
01:34:59,000 --> 01:35:01,000
>> There should be room

2547
01:35:01,000 --> 01:35:03,000
under the First Amendment and otherwise

2548
01:35:03,000 --> 01:35:04,000
for the president to say an awful
lot

2549
01:35:04,000 --> 01:35:05,000
without having to tag him with a criminal

2550
01:35:05,000 --> 01:35:06,000
offense.

2551
01:35:06,000 --> 01:35:09,000
And that's why there's a First Amendment.

2552
01:35:09,000 --> 01:35:11,000
You're given a big amount of latude

2553
01:35:11,000 --> 01:35:12,000
to say a lot of wild and crazy even

2554
01:35:12,000 --> 01:35:16,000
stupid, things,

2555
01:35:16,000 --> 01:35:20,000
without having to worry about somebody
afterwards

2556
01:35:20,000 --> 01:35:22,000
deciding that you should be sent to
jail for it.

2557
01:35:22,000 --> 01:35:25,000
>> While prosecuting the president

2558
01:35:25,000 --> 01:35:28,000
in an electoral context is new

2559
01:35:28,000 --> 01:35:31,000
prosecuting people for electoral fraud

2560
01:35:31,000 --> 01:35:34,000
is not new at all.

2561
01:35:34,000 --> 01:35:37,000
There are burdens of proof there are
legal tests,

2562
01:35:37,000 --> 01:35:39,000
there are jury instructions,

2563
01:35:39,000 --> 01:35:41,000
and if you can meet those elements

2564
01:35:41,000 --> 01:35:42,000
then you're outside of

2565
01:35:42,000 --> 01:35:44,000
the protection of the First Amendment.

2566
01:35:44,000 --> 01:35:49,000
This is not a novel legal theory here.

2567
01:35:54,000 --> 01:35:57,000
(siren wailing)

2568
01:35:57,000 --> 01:36:00,000
>> NARRATOR: As January 6 approached,

2569
01:36:00,000 --> 01:36:02,000
Trump refocused his efforts closer
to home

2570
01:36:02,000 --> 01:36:05,000
at his own Department of Justice.

2571
01:36:05,000 --> 01:36:08,000
>> Today, we'll tell the story

2572
01:36:08,000 --> 01:36:10,000
of how the pressure campaign

2573
01:36:10,000 --> 01:36:12,000
also targeted the federal agency

2574
01:36:12,000 --> 01:36:15,000
charged with enforcement of our laws,

2575
01:36:15,000 --> 01:36:17,000
the Department of Justice.

2576
01:36:17,000 --> 01:36:18,000
>> Trump tried to weaponize the Department

2577
01:36:18,000 --> 01:36:21,000
of Justice

2578
01:36:21,000 --> 01:36:23,000
against our own democracy.

2579
01:36:23,000 --> 01:36:24,000
Bill Barr is the first one to stand

2580
01:36:24,000 --> 01:36:26,000
up and say,

2581
01:36:26,000 --> 01:36:28,000
"No, I'm not going to do that."

2582
01:36:28,000 --> 01:36:29,000
He steps aside, he resigns.

2583
01:36:29,000 --> 01:36:30,000
And he's replaced by Jeff Rosen and

2584
01:36:30,000 --> 01:36:32,000
Richard Donoghue

2585
01:36:32,000 --> 01:36:35,000
as a sort of tag team here.

2586
01:36:35,000 --> 01:36:37,000
(keyboard keys clacking)

2587
01:36:37,000 --> 01:36:38,000
>> NARRATOR: Rosen was a Republican
political appointee who had served

2588
01:36:38,000 --> 01:36:41,000
throughout Trump's administration.

2589
01:36:41,000 --> 01:36:43,000
Donoghue, also a Republican,

2590
01:36:43,000 --> 01:36:44,000
had spent much of his career as a

2591
01:36:44,000 --> 01:36:46,000
government lawyer--

2592
01:36:46,000 --> 01:36:47,000
in the Army and at the Department

2593
01:36:47,000 --> 01:36:49,000
of Justice.

2594
01:36:49,000 --> 01:36:52,000
>> These are folks who were

2595
01:36:52,000 --> 01:36:54,000
appointed by Donald Trump.

2596
01:36:54,000 --> 01:36:56,000
They are aligned with him politically.

2597
01:36:56,000 --> 01:36:57,000
>> Pretty much every day after Barr

2598
01:36:57,000 --> 01:37:00,000
left,

2599
01:37:00,000 --> 01:37:01,000
Trump would call Jeffrey Rosen at

2600
01:37:01,000 --> 01:37:03,000
the Justice Department

2601
01:37:03,000 --> 01:37:05,000
or his deputy, Richard Donoghue,

2602
01:37:05,000 --> 01:37:07,000
and try to put pressure on them

2603
01:37:07,000 --> 01:37:08,000
to get the department to go along

2604
01:37:08,000 --> 01:37:09,000
with this narrative

2605
01:37:09,000 --> 01:37:12,000
that there were serious questions

2606
01:37:12,000 --> 01:37:14,000
about the integrity of the election.

2607
01:37:14,000 --> 01:37:18,000
>> Mr. Donoghue,

2608
01:37:18,000 --> 01:37:19,000
you had a conversation with the president

2609
01:37:19,000 --> 01:37:20,000
where he raised false claim after

2610
01:37:20,000 --> 01:37:21,000
false claim

2611
01:37:21,000 --> 01:37:24,000
with you and Mr. Rosen.

2612
01:37:24,000 --> 01:37:25,000
How did you respond to

2613
01:37:25,000 --> 01:37:27,000
what you called a "stream of allegations"?

2614
01:37:27,000 --> 01:37:28,000
>> I wanted to try to cut through

2615
01:37:28,000 --> 01:37:31,000
the noise

2616
01:37:31,000 --> 01:37:33,000
because it was clear to us

2617
01:37:33,000 --> 01:37:34,000
that there were a lot of people whispering

2618
01:37:34,000 --> 01:37:35,000
in his ear,
feeding him these conspiracy theories

2619
01:37:35,000 --> 01:37:36,000
and allegations

2620
01:37:36,000 --> 01:37:39,000
As the president went through them,

2621
01:37:39,000 --> 01:37:41,000
I went piece by piece

2622
01:37:41,000 --> 01:37:43,000
to say, "No, that's false, that is
not true."

2623
01:37:43,000 --> 01:37:45,000
And to correct him, really in a serial
fashion

2624
01:37:45,000 --> 01:37:49,000
as he moved from one theory to another.

2625
01:37:49,000 --> 01:37:50,000
>> How did the president respond to

2626
01:37:50,000 --> 01:37:51,000
that, sir?

2627
01:37:51,000 --> 01:37:52,000
>> He responded very quickly and said,

2628
01:37:52,000 --> 01:37:55,000
essentially,

2629
01:37:55,000 --> 01:37:56,000
"That's not what I'm asking you to

2630
01:37:56,000 --> 01:37:58,000
do.

2631
01:37:58,000 --> 01:37:59,000
"What I'm just asking you to do is

2632
01:37:59,000 --> 01:38:00,000
just say it was corrupt

2633
01:38:00,000 --> 01:38:01,000
and leave the rest to me and the Republican

2634
01:38:01,000 --> 01:38:04,000
congressmen."

2635
01:38:04,000 --> 01:38:07,000
♪ ♪

2636
01:38:07,000 --> 01:38:10,000
>> He's saying "Don't care about evidence

2637
01:38:10,000 --> 01:38:12,000
"don't care about facts, just say
this.

2638
01:38:12,000 --> 01:38:13,000
"And then I'm going to be able to

2639
01:38:13,000 --> 01:38:15,000
use that

2640
01:38:15,000 --> 01:38:18,000
"to give people political cover

2641
01:38:18,000 --> 01:38:20,000
"to do what I want them to do,

2642
01:38:20,000 --> 01:38:21,000
which is to overturn the vote."

2643
01:38:21,000 --> 01:38:24,000
>> I-- look, I think that's a very

2644
01:38:24,000 --> 01:38:27,000
unfortunate statement on the on the
president's part,

2645
01:38:27,000 --> 01:38:31,000
but it wouldn't be the first time

2646
01:38:31,000 --> 01:38:32,000
that a president made a, a conscious
decision

2647
01:38:32,000 --> 01:38:35,000
to reject advice from his legal advisers,

2648
01:38:35,000 --> 01:38:37,000
including the Department of Justice.

2649
01:38:37,000 --> 01:38:40,000
Is that evidence of criminal misconduct?

2650
01:38:40,000 --> 01:38:43,000
Could be. Could be.

2651
01:38:43,000 --> 01:38:44,000
But sorting that out before a fair-minded

2652
01:38:44,000 --> 01:38:46,000
jury,

2653
01:38:46,000 --> 01:38:50,000
assuming that there's a fair-minded
jury

2654
01:38:50,000 --> 01:38:51,000
is, I think, another question.

2655
01:38:51,000 --> 01:38:53,000
>> NARRATOR: As it became clear

2656
01:38:53,000 --> 01:38:55,000
Rosen and Donoghue wouldn't go along,

2657
01:38:55,000 --> 01:38:58,000
Trump looked for someone who would.

2658
01:38:58,000 --> 01:39:02,000
>> Trump turns to this

2659
01:39:02,000 --> 01:39:03,000
mid-level Department of Justice employee,

2660
01:39:03,000 --> 01:39:06,000
Jeff Clark
and he says, "Let's put him in

2661
01:39:06,000 --> 01:39:09,000
as the acting attorney general."

2662
01:39:09,000 --> 01:39:14,000
>> He had been an environmental prosecutor.

2663
01:39:14,000 --> 01:39:15,000
Clark's official role has nothing

2664
01:39:15,000 --> 01:39:18,000
to do

2665
01:39:18,000 --> 01:39:20,000
with anything involving election fraud.

2666
01:39:20,000 --> 01:39:21,000
He had no business at all being involved

2667
01:39:21,000 --> 01:39:23,000
in this.

2668
01:39:23,000 --> 01:39:26,000
>> NARRATOR: Clark drafted a letter

2669
01:39:26,000 --> 01:39:27,000
that would claim publicly that the

2670
01:39:27,000 --> 01:39:28,000
department was concerned

2671
01:39:28,000 --> 01:39:29,000
about serious allegations of election

2672
01:39:29,000 --> 01:39:31,000
fraud,

2673
01:39:31,000 --> 01:39:32,000
even though his superiors had said

2674
01:39:32,000 --> 01:39:36,000
there was no such evidence.

2675
01:39:36,000 --> 01:39:37,000
>> That letter of course was never

2676
01:39:37,000 --> 01:39:40,000
sent.

2677
01:39:40,000 --> 01:39:42,000
Clark tried to push for it to be sent

2678
01:39:42,000 --> 01:39:44,000
by sort of attempting to dethrone

2679
01:39:44,000 --> 01:39:47,000
acting attorney general Jeffery Rosen.

2680
01:39:47,000 --> 01:39:50,000
>> NARRATOR: According to testimony

2681
01:39:50,000 --> 01:39:51,000
and evidence before the committee,

2682
01:39:51,000 --> 01:39:52,000
Trump told Clark that he was going

2683
01:39:52,000 --> 01:39:53,000
fire Rosen

2684
01:39:53,000 --> 01:39:56,000
and make him the new attorney general.

2685
01:39:56,000 --> 01:39:58,000
>> Well, Clark makes an incredibly
stupid mistake

2686
01:39:58,000 --> 01:40:02,000
which is that he tells Jeffrey Rosen,

2687
01:40:02,000 --> 01:40:06,000
the acting attorney general,

2688
01:40:06,000 --> 01:40:07,000
that he is going to be replaced.

2689
01:40:07,000 --> 01:40:10,000
>> On the-- on Sunday, the third

2690
01:40:10,000 --> 01:40:11,000
he told me that the president had

2691
01:40:11,000 --> 01:40:14,000
offered him the job

2692
01:40:14,000 --> 01:40:15,000
and that he was accepting it.

2693
01:40:15,000 --> 01:40:17,000
>> Clark tells him

2694
01:40:17,000 --> 01:40:18,000
"Oh yeah Trump is going to put me

2695
01:40:18,000 --> 01:40:19,000
in."

2696
01:40:19,000 --> 01:40:22,000
And he gives notice to his opponents.

2697
01:40:22,000 --> 01:40:26,000
That's always a huge mistake

2698
01:40:26,000 --> 01:40:27,000
in Washington or anywhere else.

2699
01:40:27,000 --> 01:40:30,000
>> Well...

2700
01:40:30,000 --> 01:40:31,000
you know, on the one hand, I wasn't

2701
01:40:31,000 --> 01:40:33,000
going to accept

2702
01:40:33,000 --> 01:40:35,000
being fired by my subordinate.

2703
01:40:35,000 --> 01:40:37,000
(chuckling): So, I wanted to talk
to the,

2704
01:40:37,000 --> 01:40:39,000
thpresident directly.

2705
01:40:39,000 --> 01:40:40,000
>> And there was another crazy White
House meeting

2706
01:40:40,000 --> 01:40:43,000
where Rosen, Donoghue,

2707
01:40:43,000 --> 01:40:46,000
meet with Clark,

2708
01:40:46,000 --> 01:40:47,000
the president, and other presidential

2709
01:40:47,000 --> 01:40:49,000
advisors,

2710
01:40:49,000 --> 01:40:52,000
in the Oval Office, for hours,

2711
01:40:52,000 --> 01:40:53,000
fighting over whether Clark should
be the attorney general.

2712
01:40:53,000 --> 01:40:56,000
>> Jeff Clark was proposing

2713
01:40:56,000 --> 01:40:58,000
that...

2714
01:40:58,000 --> 01:40:59,000
Jeff Rosen being replaced by Jeff

2715
01:40:59,000 --> 01:41:02,000
Clark.

2716
01:41:02,000 --> 01:41:06,000
And I thought the proposal was...

2717
01:41:06,000 --> 01:41:11,000
asinine.

2718
01:41:18,000 --> 01:41:22,000
>> And when he finished

2719
01:41:22,000 --> 01:41:23,000
discussing what he planned on doing,

2720
01:41:23,000 --> 01:41:26,000
I said "Good...

2721
01:41:26,000 --> 01:41:28,000
"(bleep)"-- excuse me, sorry--

2722
01:41:28,000 --> 01:41:30,000
"effing a-hole.

2723
01:41:30,000 --> 01:41:31,000
"Congratulations, you just admitted
your first step

2724
01:41:31,000 --> 01:41:33,000
"or act you take as attorney general

2725
01:41:33,000 --> 01:41:35,000
"would be committing a felony and
violating Rule 6(e).

2726
01:41:35,000 --> 01:41:40,000
You're clearly the right candidate
for this job."

2727
01:41:45,000 --> 01:41:49,000
>> Mr. Donoghue,

2728
01:41:49,000 --> 01:41:50,000
did-- did you eventually tell the
president

2729
01:41:50,000 --> 01:41:53,000
that mass resignations would occur

2730
01:41:53,000 --> 01:41:54,000
if he installed Mr. Clark and what

2731
01:41:54,000 --> 01:41:55,000
the consequences would be?

2732
01:41:55,000 --> 01:41:56,000
>> I said, "Mr. President, within

2733
01:41:56,000 --> 01:41:59,000
24, 48, 72 hours,

2734
01:41:59,000 --> 01:42:02,000
"you could have hundreds and hundreds
of resignations

2735
01:42:02,000 --> 01:42:03,000
"of the leadership of your entire

2736
01:42:03,000 --> 01:42:05,000
Justice Department

2737
01:42:05,000 --> 01:42:07,000
"because of your actions.

2738
01:42:07,000 --> 01:42:09,000
What's that going to say about you?"

2739
01:42:09,000 --> 01:42:12,000
>> In the end,

2740
01:42:12,000 --> 01:42:13,000
that proves to be enough to stop Trump--

2741
01:42:13,000 --> 01:42:15,000
very reluctantly very reluctantly--

2742
01:42:15,000 --> 01:42:16,000
from putting Clark in as his acting

2743
01:42:16,000 --> 01:42:18,000
attorney general.

2744
01:42:18,000 --> 01:42:21,000
Talk about a close call.

2745
01:42:21,000 --> 01:42:22,000
>> NARRATOR: But for the January 6th

2746
01:42:22,000 --> 01:42:25,000
committee

2747
01:42:25,000 --> 01:42:27,000
and federal prosecutors,

2748
01:42:27,000 --> 01:42:29,000
the pressure on the Justice Department

2749
01:42:29,000 --> 01:42:31,000
was another part of the conspiracy.

2750
01:42:31,000 --> 01:42:32,000
>> He's trying to enlist as part of

2751
01:42:32,000 --> 01:42:35,000
a scheme

2752
01:42:35,000 --> 01:42:37,000
these officials of the Justice Department.

2753
01:42:37,000 --> 01:42:39,000
Lawyers, officers of the court

2754
01:42:39,000 --> 01:42:42,000
people who have taken an oath

2755
01:42:42,000 --> 01:42:43,000
to uphold the rule of law,

2756
01:42:43,000 --> 01:42:45,000
and they won't go along with it.

2757
01:42:45,000 --> 01:42:48,000
>> "The Defendant and co-conspirators

2758
01:42:48,000 --> 01:42:50,000
"attempted to use the power and authority

2759
01:42:50,000 --> 01:42:53,000
"of the Justice Department

2760
01:42:53,000 --> 01:42:54,000
to conduct sham election crime investigations."

2761
01:42:54,000 --> 01:42:58,000
>> NARRATOR: As with the pressure

2762
01:42:58,000 --> 01:43:00,000
on state election officials,

2763
01:43:00,000 --> 01:43:01,000
Trump's attorneys have argued that
he was just doing his job.

2764
01:43:01,000 --> 01:43:05,000
>> "Urging his own Department of Justice

2765
01:43:05,000 --> 01:43:07,000
"to do more to enforce the laws

2766
01:43:07,000 --> 01:43:08,000
"that it is charged with enforcing

2767
01:43:08,000 --> 01:43:09,000
is unquestionably an official act

2768
01:43:09,000 --> 01:43:11,000
of the president."

2769
01:43:11,000 --> 01:43:14,000
>> NARRATOR: And the president is
entitled

2770
01:43:14,000 --> 01:43:16,000
to name anyone he wants as the attorney
general.

2771
01:43:16,000 --> 01:43:18,000
>> "Deliberating about whether to
replace

2772
01:43:18,000 --> 01:43:19,000
"the acting attorney general of the

2773
01:43:19,000 --> 01:43:20,000
United States

2774
01:43:20,000 --> 01:43:22,000
is also a core presidential function."

2775
01:43:22,000 --> 01:43:26,000
>> Jack Smith has made that judgment

2776
01:43:26,000 --> 01:43:28,000
that that has crossed over the line

2777
01:43:28,000 --> 01:43:30,000
into criminal conduct.

2778
01:43:30,000 --> 01:43:32,000
But he is now going to have to prove

2779
01:43:32,000 --> 01:43:34,000
that the president went over that
line,

2780
01:43:34,000 --> 01:43:39,000
whatever that line is.

2781
01:43:40,000 --> 01:43:43,000
♪ ♪

2782
01:43:43,000 --> 01:43:46,000
>> NARRATOR: Having called his supporters

2783
01:43:46,000 --> 01:43:48,000
to come to Washington on January 6

2784
01:43:48,000 --> 01:43:50,000
Trump turned his attention

2785
01:43:50,000 --> 01:43:51,000
to a key player in his effort to stay

2786
01:43:51,000 --> 01:43:52,000
in power:

2787
01:43:52,000 --> 01:43:55,000
Vice President Mike Pence.

2788
01:43:55,000 --> 01:43:59,000
>> Today, we're focusing on

2789
01:43:59,000 --> 01:44:00,000
President Trump's relentless effort

2790
01:44:00,000 --> 01:44:02,000
to pressure Mike Pence to refuse

2791
01:44:02,000 --> 01:44:03,000
to count electoral votes on January

2792
01:44:03,000 --> 01:44:05,000
6.

2793
01:44:05,000 --> 01:44:08,000
>> The pressure campaign on Vice President
Pence

2794
01:44:08,000 --> 01:44:10,000
is the last gambit to keep Trump in
power.

2795
01:44:10,000 --> 01:44:13,000
I mean, basically, it's the last lever

2796
01:44:13,000 --> 01:44:15,000
that they can pull to try and steal
the election.

2797
01:44:15,000 --> 01:44:16,000
>> NARRATOR: It was based on an obscure

2798
01:44:16,000 --> 01:44:17,000
legal theory:

2799
01:44:17,000 --> 01:44:21,000
that the vice president had the power

2800
01:44:21,000 --> 01:44:23,000
to overturn the election results.

2801
01:44:23,000 --> 01:44:27,000
>> Greg Jacob was counsel

2802
01:44:27,000 --> 01:44:29,000
to Vice President Pence.

2803
01:44:29,000 --> 01:44:31,000
He conducted a thorough analysis

2804
01:44:31,000 --> 01:44:33,000
of the role of the vice president

2805
01:44:33,000 --> 01:44:35,000
in a joint session

2806
01:44:35,000 --> 01:44:36,000
of Congress under the Constitution.

2807
01:44:36,000 --> 01:44:37,000
I now recognize the gentleman from

2808
01:44:37,000 --> 01:44:39,000
California,

2809
01:44:39,000 --> 01:44:42,000
Mr. Aguilar.

2810
01:44:42,000 --> 01:44:44,000
>> Mr. Jacob, did you go to the vice
president's residences

2811
01:44:44,000 --> 01:44:46,000
on the morning of January 6?

2812
01:44:46,000 --> 01:44:48,000
>> Yes.

2813
01:44:48,000 --> 01:44:49,000
>> And did theice president have a

2814
01:44:49,000 --> 01:44:50,000
call with the president

2815
01:44:50,000 --> 01:44:52,000
that morning? >> He did.

2816
01:44:52,000 --> 01:44:53,000
We were told that a call had come

2817
01:44:53,000 --> 01:44:54,000
in from the president.

2818
01:44:54,000 --> 01:44:55,000
The vice president stepped out of

2819
01:44:55,000 --> 01:44:58,000
the room

2820
01:44:58,000 --> 01:44:59,000
to take that call, and no staff went

2821
01:44:59,000 --> 01:45:01,000
with him.

2822
01:45:01,000 --> 01:45:02,000
>> The president had several family

2823
01:45:02,000 --> 01:45:05,000
members

2824
01:45:05,000 --> 01:45:07,000
with him for that call.

2825
01:45:07,000 --> 01:45:08,000
I'd like to show you what they and

2826
01:45:08,000 --> 01:45:10,000
others

2827
01:45:10,000 --> 01:45:11,000
told the select committee about that

2828
01:45:11,000 --> 01:45:12,000
call,

2829
01:45:12,000 --> 01:45:14,000
along with never-before-seen photographs

2830
01:45:14,000 --> 01:45:15,000
of the president on that call from

2831
01:45:15,000 --> 01:45:18,000
the National Archives.

2832
01:45:18,000 --> 01:45:19,000
>> When I entered the office the second

2833
01:45:19,000 --> 01:45:23,000
time,

2834
01:45:23,000 --> 01:45:26,000
he was on the telephone

2835
01:45:26,000 --> 01:45:27,000
with who I later found out to be was

2836
01:45:27,000 --> 01:45:29,000
the,

2837
01:45:29,000 --> 01:45:30,000
the vice president.

2838
01:45:30,000 --> 01:45:32,000
>> Could you hear the vice president

2839
01:45:32,000 --> 01:45:33,000
or only hear the president's end?

2840
01:45:33,000 --> 01:45:35,000
>> Only hear the president's end.

2841
01:45:35,000 --> 01:45:36,000
And at some point, it started off

2842
01:45:36,000 --> 01:45:38,000
as a calmer tone

2843
01:45:38,000 --> 01:45:39,000
and then it became heated.

2844
01:45:39,000 --> 01:45:40,000
>> Donald Trump is focused on this

2845
01:45:40,000 --> 01:45:42,000
idea

2846
01:45:42,000 --> 01:45:43,000
that Pence wielding the gavel on January

2847
01:45:43,000 --> 01:45:44,000
6

2848
01:45:44,000 --> 01:45:48,000
can single-handedly overturn the election,

2849
01:45:48,000 --> 01:45:49,000
because he was presiding over this

2850
01:45:49,000 --> 01:45:50,000
final certification

2851
01:45:50,000 --> 01:45:53,000
of the electoral votes.

2852
01:45:53,000 --> 01:45:55,000
>> The conversation was, was...

2853
01:45:55,000 --> 01:45:58,000
pretty heated.

2854
01:45:58,000 --> 01:46:01,000
>> It's an extraordinary thing

2855
01:46:01,000 --> 01:46:02,000
a president pressuring a vice president
this way,

2856
01:46:02,000 --> 01:46:05,000
insulting him that way

2857
01:46:05,000 --> 01:46:06,000
a person who had been nothing but

2858
01:46:06,000 --> 01:46:07,000
loyal to him

2859
01:46:07,000 --> 01:46:08,000
through all those, all those months
and years.

2860
01:46:08,000 --> 01:46:11,000
>> Did Ms. Trump share with you

2861
01:46:11,000 --> 01:46:13,000
any more details about what happened?

2862
01:46:13,000 --> 01:46:14,000
>> Her dad had just had an upsetting

2863
01:46:14,000 --> 01:46:16,000
conversation

2864
01:46:16,000 --> 01:46:20,000
with the vice president.

2865
01:46:20,000 --> 01:46:22,000
>> It was a different tone than I'd
heard him take

2866
01:46:22,000 --> 01:46:24,000
with the vice president before.

2867
01:46:24,000 --> 01:46:26,000
>> Iean, I think she was...

2868
01:46:26,000 --> 01:46:27,000
uncomfortable over the fact that there

2869
01:46:27,000 --> 01:46:29,000
was obviously

2870
01:46:29,000 --> 01:46:31,000
that type of interaction between the
two of them.

2871
01:46:31,000 --> 01:46:34,000
>> The word at she relayed to you

2872
01:46:34,000 --> 01:46:36,000
that the president called the vice
president,

2873
01:46:36,000 --> 01:46:37,000
I apologize for being impolite

2874
01:46:37,000 --> 01:46:38,000
but do you rememr what she said her

2875
01:46:38,000 --> 01:46:40,000
father called him?

2876
01:46:40,000 --> 01:46:44,000
>> The P word.

2877
01:46:44,000 --> 01:46:48,000
>> Trump told Pence, "You have a choice.

2878
01:46:48,000 --> 01:46:49,000
"You can either be a patriot or you

2879
01:46:49,000 --> 01:46:53,000
can be a pussy.

2880
01:46:53,000 --> 01:46:54,000
"Patriot means turn the election over

2881
01:46:54,000 --> 01:46:58,000
to me.

2882
01:46:58,000 --> 01:46:59,000
Being a pussy means being afraid to

2883
01:46:59,000 --> 01:47:04,000
use your power."

2884
01:47:05,000 --> 01:47:08,000
>> Mr. Jacob how would you describe

2885
01:47:08,000 --> 01:47:10,000
the demeanor of the vice president

2886
01:47:10,000 --> 01:47:12,000
following the call with the president?

2887
01:47:12,000 --> 01:47:16,000
>> When he came back into the room,

2888
01:47:16,000 --> 01:47:18,000
I'd say that he was steely

2889
01:47:18,000 --> 01:47:23,000
determined, grim.

2890
01:47:24,000 --> 01:47:28,000
>> NARRATOR: In almost four years

2891
01:47:28,000 --> 01:47:31,000
it was the first serious break between
Pence and Trump.

2892
01:47:31,000 --> 01:47:35,000
>> Donald Trump had every expectation

2893
01:47:35,000 --> 01:47:36,000
that he would go along with him on

2894
01:47:36,000 --> 01:47:37,000
this.

2895
01:47:37,000 --> 01:47:40,000
Why wouldn't he?

2896
01:47:40,000 --> 01:47:41,000
He'd done everything else up until

2897
01:47:41,000 --> 01:47:42,000
now.
Pence is a vice president who has

2898
01:47:42,000 --> 01:47:44,000
been

2899
01:47:44,000 --> 01:47:46,000
exceedingly loyal to Trump

2900
01:47:46,000 --> 01:47:47,000
for three years, 11 months and however

2901
01:47:47,000 --> 01:47:49,000
many days.

2902
01:47:49,000 --> 01:47:50,000
Mike Pence never, ever broke with

2903
01:47:50,000 --> 01:47:53,000
the president.

2904
01:47:53,000 --> 01:47:57,000
>> NARRATOR: Now Pence had to make
a critical decision.

2905
01:47:57,000 --> 01:48:01,000
>> Pence had just a clear conflict

2906
01:48:01,000 --> 01:48:03,000
between what Trump wanted him to do

2907
01:48:03,000 --> 01:48:05,000
and what the Constitution and the
rule of law

2908
01:48:05,000 --> 01:48:06,000
required him to do.

2909
01:48:06,000 --> 01:48:07,000
I thk he managed to navigate those

2910
01:48:07,000 --> 01:48:08,000
conflicts

2911
01:48:08,000 --> 01:48:09,000
in various ways over four years.

2912
01:48:09,000 --> 01:48:10,000
Not always, in my view in the right

2913
01:48:10,000 --> 01:48:11,000
way.

2914
01:48:11,000 --> 01:48:15,000
But this was such a blatant transgression.

2915
01:48:15,000 --> 01:48:18,000
>> NARRATOR: Pivotal to the plan

2916
01:48:18,000 --> 01:48:20,000
was this man-- John Eastman.

2917
01:48:20,000 --> 01:48:23,000
>> Here's this law professor

2918
01:48:23,000 --> 01:48:26,000
a member of the Federalists.

2919
01:48:26,000 --> 01:48:29,000
His role was to provide a,

2920
01:48:29,000 --> 01:48:32,000
sort of a pseudo-intellectual cover

2921
01:48:32,000 --> 01:48:35,000
for legal arguments.

2922
01:48:35,000 --> 01:48:38,000
>> And he manufactures

2923
01:48:38,000 --> 01:48:40,000
this theory of the vice president's
power

2924
01:48:40,000 --> 01:48:41,000
that bas... that says that the vice

2925
01:48:41,000 --> 01:48:42,000
president

2926
01:48:42,000 --> 01:48:43,000
of the United States is the ultimate

2927
01:48:43,000 --> 01:48:44,000
arbiter

2928
01:48:44,000 --> 01:48:45,000
on January 6, those were his words,

2929
01:48:45,000 --> 01:48:46,000
"the ultimate arbiter."

2930
01:48:46,000 --> 01:48:49,000
And Trump fully endorses Eastman's
plan.

2931
01:48:49,000 --> 01:48:50,000
>> Well, John Eastman was one of my

2932
01:48:50,000 --> 01:48:54,000
law clerks...

2933
01:48:54,000 --> 01:48:59,000
Perhaps 20, 25 years ago.

2934
01:49:00,000 --> 01:49:04,000
I was greatly concerned that John
had given

2935
01:49:04,000 --> 01:49:07,000
the advice that he had given.

2936
01:49:07,000 --> 01:49:10,000
>> Judge J. Michael Luttig

2937
01:49:10,000 --> 01:49:11,000
is one of the leading conservative

2938
01:49:11,000 --> 01:49:12,000
legal thinkers

2939
01:49:12,000 --> 01:49:14,000
in the country.

2940
01:49:14,000 --> 01:49:15,000
He's served in administrations of

2941
01:49:15,000 --> 01:49:16,000
President Ronald Reagan

2942
01:49:16,000 --> 01:49:20,000
and George H.W. Bush.

2943
01:49:20,000 --> 01:49:23,000
>> Judge Luttig had a kind of moral
authority

2944
01:49:23,000 --> 01:49:26,000
within the conservative community.

2945
01:49:26,000 --> 01:49:30,000
A guy himself who had been

2946
01:49:30,000 --> 01:49:32,000
short-listed for the Supreme Court.

2947
01:49:32,000 --> 01:49:33,000
Was on a first-name basis

2948
01:49:33,000 --> 01:49:36,000
with members of the Supreme Court.

2949
01:49:36,000 --> 01:49:37,000
>> Judge Luttig, I had the incredible

2950
01:49:37,000 --> 01:49:39,000
honor

2951
01:49:39,000 --> 01:49:41,000
of serving as one of your law clerks.

2952
01:49:41,000 --> 01:49:43,000
Another person who did was John Eastman.

2953
01:49:43,000 --> 01:49:44,000
And you've written that Dr. Eastman's

2954
01:49:44,000 --> 01:49:48,000
theory is,

2955
01:49:48,000 --> 01:49:52,000
in your words, "Incorrect at every
turn."

2956
01:49:52,000 --> 01:49:56,000
>> Mr. Eastman said to the president

2957
01:49:56,000 --> 01:49:59,000
that there was both legal

2958
01:49:59,000 --> 01:50:02,000
as well as historical precedent

2959
01:50:02,000 --> 01:50:03,000
for the vice president to overturn

2960
01:50:03,000 --> 01:50:08,000
the election.

2961
01:50:08,000 --> 01:50:12,000
This is Constitutional mischief.

2962
01:50:12,000 --> 01:50:16,000
I would have laid my body

2963
01:50:16,000 --> 01:50:20,000
across the road before I would have
let the vice president

2964
01:50:20,000 --> 01:50:24,000
overturn the 2020 election.

2965
01:50:24,000 --> 01:50:25,000
I diagrammed his, uh his, his legal

2966
01:50:25,000 --> 01:50:30,000
analysis,

2967
01:50:30,000 --> 01:50:33,000
from beginning to end and concluded

2968
01:50:33,000 --> 01:50:34,000
that we was wrong at every every turn

2969
01:50:34,000 --> 01:50:38,000
of his analysis

2970
01:50:38,000 --> 01:50:42,000
every turn of his thinking.

2971
01:50:42,000 --> 01:50:46,000
>> Judge Luttig, you wrote that the
efforts

2972
01:50:46,000 --> 01:50:48,000
by President Trump to overturn the
2020 election were

2973
01:50:48,000 --> 01:50:52,000
"the most reckless, insidious,

2974
01:50:52,000 --> 01:50:54,000
"and calamitous failures in both legal
and political judgement

2975
01:50:54,000 --> 01:50:57,000
in American history."

2976
01:50:57,000 --> 01:50:59,000
What did you mean by that?

2977
01:50:59,000 --> 01:51:04,000
>> Exactly what I said Congressman.

2978
01:51:05,000 --> 01:51:09,000
>> NARRATOR: White House lawyers had
also warned

2979
01:51:09,000 --> 01:51:10,000
about Eastman's theories.

2980
01:51:10,000 --> 01:51:13,000
But Trump persisted,

2981
01:51:13,000 --> 01:51:15,000
summoning the vice president to the
Oval Office.

2982
01:51:15,000 --> 01:51:18,000
>> The Eastman plan.

2983
01:51:18,000 --> 01:51:20,000
It was the last option

2984
01:51:20,000 --> 01:51:21,000
for Donald Trump.

2985
01:51:21,000 --> 01:51:23,000
January 4, 2021.

2986
01:51:23,000 --> 01:51:24,000
In the Oval Office John Eastman, President

2987
01:51:24,000 --> 01:51:27,000
Trump,

2988
01:51:27,000 --> 01:51:30,000
they pull Vice President Pence in.

2989
01:51:30,000 --> 01:51:31,000
He's joined by his aides Greg Jacob

2990
01:51:31,000 --> 01:51:35,000
and Marc Short.

2991
01:51:35,000 --> 01:51:39,000
Trump says to Pence, in front of others

2992
01:51:39,000 --> 01:51:42,000
"You have to now listen to John Eastman,

2993
01:51:42,000 --> 01:51:45,000
"you have to follow the Eastman plan--

2994
01:51:45,000 --> 01:51:47,000
object to the certification."

2995
01:51:47,000 --> 01:51:50,000
It's a pressure campaign.

2996
01:51:50,000 --> 01:51:53,000
Pence says to Trump,

2997
01:51:53,000 --> 01:51:54,000
"I'm going to do what I can, Mr. President,

2998
01:51:54,000 --> 01:51:55,000
I want to help you out but I'm listening

2999
01:51:55,000 --> 01:51:56,000
to my lawyers."

3000
01:51:56,000 --> 01:51:57,000
He turns to Greg Jacob his advisors,

3001
01:51:57,000 --> 01:51:59,000
and he says,

3002
01:51:59,000 --> 01:52:02,000
"They're telling me I can't do it.

3003
01:52:02,000 --> 01:52:03,000
I can't do it, it's not constitutional,

3004
01:52:03,000 --> 01:52:06,000
it's not legal."

3005
01:52:06,000 --> 01:52:11,000
Trump says "You can do it, listen
to John."

3006
01:52:11,000 --> 01:52:15,000
>> Mr. Jacob during that meeting between

3007
01:52:15,000 --> 01:52:18,000
the president and the vice president

3008
01:52:18,000 --> 01:52:20,000
what theories did Dr. Eastman present
regarding

3009
01:52:20,000 --> 01:52:22,000
the role of the vice president

3010
01:52:22,000 --> 01:52:24,000
in counting the electoral votes?

3011
01:52:24,000 --> 01:52:26,000
>> So during that meeting on the fourth

3012
01:52:26,000 --> 01:52:29,000
I think I raised the problem

3013
01:52:29,000 --> 01:52:33,000
that Mr. Eastman's proposals

3014
01:52:33,000 --> 01:52:35,000
would violate several provisions of
the Electoral Count Act.

3015
01:52:35,000 --> 01:52:40,000
Mr. Eastman acknowledged that that
was the case.

3016
01:52:40,000 --> 01:52:44,000
>> Pence turns to Trump and says

3017
01:52:44,000 --> 01:52:46,000
"Are you listening to this? Do you
hear this?"

3018
01:52:46,000 --> 01:52:48,000
But Trump isn't listening to that,
he just

3019
01:52:48,000 --> 01:52:50,000
he's banging away on Pence

3020
01:52:50,000 --> 01:52:51,000
"You are the guy who's going to keep
us in power."

3021
01:52:51,000 --> 01:52:55,000
(siren blaring)

3022
01:52:55,000 --> 01:52:58,000
>> NARRATOR: Pence stood firm.

3023
01:52:58,000 --> 01:53:01,000
>> This is a man who has been so loyal
for so long

3024
01:53:01,000 --> 01:53:05,000
but I think, at the end of the day,

3025
01:53:05,000 --> 01:53:07,000
Mike Pence knew that he s

3026
01:53:07,000 --> 01:53:08,000
going to uphold the Constitution.

3027
01:53:08,000 --> 01:53:09,000
And he knew that he had no power to

3028
01:53:09,000 --> 01:53:11,000
overturn

3029
01:53:11,000 --> 01:53:12,000
and do the things that the president

3030
01:53:12,000 --> 01:53:15,000
was saying.

3031
01:53:15,000 --> 01:53:19,000
>> The choice Mike Pence was facing
was not really a choice.

3032
01:53:19,000 --> 01:53:23,000
He had no choice to do anything

3033
01:53:23,000 --> 01:53:24,000
other than count the votes that took
place.

3034
01:53:24,000 --> 01:53:25,000
But at this point, Donald Trump had

3035
01:53:25,000 --> 01:53:27,000
surrounded himself

3036
01:53:27,000 --> 01:53:28,000
with people who were feeding him more

3037
01:53:28,000 --> 01:53:31,000
and more nonsense

3038
01:53:31,000 --> 01:53:35,000
about how this process worked.

3039
01:53:35,000 --> 01:53:38,000
It was just another situation

3040
01:53:38,000 --> 01:53:39,000
of the president creating his own

3041
01:53:39,000 --> 01:53:40,000
reality

3042
01:53:40,000 --> 01:53:42,000
deciding things that can happen that
simply can't,

3043
01:53:42,000 --> 01:53:43,000
and set Mike Pence up for the fall

3044
01:53:43,000 --> 01:53:46,000
in a way

3045
01:53:46,000 --> 01:53:49,000
that he had really no choice in what
to do.

3046
01:53:49,000 --> 01:53:51,000
♪ ♪

3047
01:53:51,000 --> 01:53:52,000
>> NARRATOR: The pressure on Pence

3048
01:53:52,000 --> 01:53:55,000
figures prominently

3049
01:53:55,000 --> 01:53:57,000
in the indictment of Trump.

3050
01:53:57,000 --> 01:53:58,000
>> "The Defendant and co-conspirators

3051
01:53:58,000 --> 01:53:59,000
attempted

3052
01:53:59,000 --> 01:54:00,000
to enlist the vice president to use

3053
01:54:00,000 --> 01:54:02,000
his ceremonial role

3054
01:54:02,000 --> 01:54:06,000
at the January 6 certification proceeding

3055
01:54:06,000 --> 01:54:08,000
to fraudulently alter the election
results.

3056
01:54:08,000 --> 01:54:09,000
>> NARRATOR: John Eastman is listed

3057
01:54:09,000 --> 01:54:12,000
as one of

3058
01:54:12,000 --> 01:54:15,000
the unindicted co-conspirators

3059
01:54:15,000 --> 01:54:19,000
though he still defends the advice
he gave the president.

3060
01:54:19,000 --> 01:54:23,000
>> Trump's interactions with Pence

3061
01:54:23,000 --> 01:54:25,000
direct and indirect, are crucial.

3062
01:54:25,000 --> 01:54:27,000
They really go to showing that part
of the way

3063
01:54:27,000 --> 01:54:29,000
he obstructed justice

3064
01:54:29,000 --> 01:54:30,000
was trying to wrongfully pressure

3065
01:54:30,000 --> 01:54:31,000
Pence
who had an official task not to undertake

3066
01:54:31,000 --> 01:54:34,000
that task.

3067
01:54:34,000 --> 01:54:38,000
>> Is the ct that Donald Trump asked
him to do that

3068
01:54:38,000 --> 01:54:41,000
is, is that criminal?

3069
01:54:41,000 --> 01:54:42,000
Again, I think you've got to be really

3070
01:54:42,000 --> 01:54:43,000
careful there.

3071
01:54:43,000 --> 01:54:44,000
I don't think that's something you

3072
01:54:44,000 --> 01:54:46,000
want to make criminal,

3073
01:54:46,000 --> 01:54:49,000
you know, on its own.

3074
01:54:49,000 --> 01:54:51,000
The mere ask to say, you know,

3075
01:54:51,000 --> 01:54:53,000
"I want you to not certify the results."

3076
01:54:53,000 --> 01:54:54,000
It doesn't necessarily mean that it

3077
01:54:54,000 --> 01:54:56,000
was a violation

3078
01:54:56,000 --> 01:54:59,000
of the criminal law.

3079
01:54:59,000 --> 01:55:00,000
It depends on context and whatever
other evidence

3080
01:55:00,000 --> 01:55:02,000
the government has.

3081
01:55:02,000 --> 01:55:03,000
>> Whether or not a particular act

3082
01:55:03,000 --> 01:55:05,000
that the president

3083
01:55:05,000 --> 01:55:07,000
is alleged to have engaged in

3084
01:55:07,000 --> 01:55:09,000
is in and of itself a crime

3085
01:55:09,000 --> 01:55:10,000
isn't really going to be the question

3086
01:55:10,000 --> 01:55:11,000
at that trial.

3087
01:55:11,000 --> 01:55:14,000
It's going to be whether that act

3088
01:55:14,000 --> 01:55:15,000
was in furtherance of a criminal objective.

3089
01:55:15,000 --> 01:55:16,000
All of these acts, all of the things

3090
01:55:16,000 --> 01:55:19,000
that

3091
01:55:19,000 --> 01:55:22,000
we've been talking about

3092
01:55:22,000 --> 01:55:24,000
they don't have to be illegal in and
of themselves.

3093
01:55:24,000 --> 01:55:29,000
The crime is a conspiracy to defraud
the United States.

3094
01:55:34,000 --> 01:55:39,000
♪ ♪

3095
01:55:39,000 --> 01:55:43,000
>> There's a lot of anticipation for
today's hearings.

3096
01:55:43,000 --> 01:55:46,000
The committee says it will present

3097
01:55:46,000 --> 01:55:47,000
newly obtained evidence and testimony.

3098
01:55:47,000 --> 01:55:49,000
>> NARRATOR: In the midst of the

3099
01:55:49,000 --> 01:55:50,000
Jaary 6th committee's hearings, a
dramatic moment.

3100
01:55:50,000 --> 01:55:51,000
>> Live testimony from a White House

3101
01:55:51,000 --> 01:55:53,000
advisor

3102
01:55:53,000 --> 01:55:54,000
who was right there in the West Wing

3103
01:55:54,000 --> 01:55:56,000
on January 6.

3104
01:55:56,000 --> 01:55:59,000
>> NARRATOR: A surprise witness.

3105
01:55:59,000 --> 01:56:00,000
>> During the Watergate hearings there

3106
01:56:00,000 --> 01:56:01,000
was only

3107
01:56:01,000 --> 01:56:04,000
one surprise witness-- it was Alexander
Butterfield

3108
01:56:04,000 --> 01:56:06,000
while in the January 6 hearings,

3109
01:56:06,000 --> 01:56:08,000
the surprise witness is Cassidy Hutchinson.

3110
01:56:08,000 --> 01:56:10,000
>> NARRATOR: Cassidy Hutchinson:

3111
01:56:10,000 --> 01:56:13,000
a 25-year-old White House staffer.

3112
01:56:13,000 --> 01:56:15,000
>> The most intimidating thing

3113
01:56:15,000 --> 01:56:16,000
is all those cameras sitting one foot

3114
01:56:16,000 --> 01:56:17,000
from her face

3115
01:56:17,000 --> 01:56:20,000
taking pictures of her.

3116
01:56:20,000 --> 01:56:23,000
(camera flash pops)

3117
01:56:23,000 --> 01:56:25,000
This is a young woman

3118
01:56:25,000 --> 01:56:29,000
standing in a setting that could

3119
01:56:29,000 --> 01:56:32,000
almost feel amphitheatrical.

3120
01:56:32,000 --> 01:56:37,000
♪ ♪

3121
01:56:37,000 --> 01:56:38,000
>> I was with Cassidy on the day of

3122
01:56:38,000 --> 01:56:41,000
her testimony.

3123
01:56:41,000 --> 01:56:45,000
During it, I'm sitting behind her.

3124
01:56:45,000 --> 01:56:48,000
She was incredibly nervous

3125
01:56:48,000 --> 01:56:50,000
I think like any normal person would
be to do this.

3126
01:56:50,000 --> 01:56:51,000
There was a time beforehand where

3127
01:56:51,000 --> 01:56:54,000
she wanted to back out.

3128
01:56:54,000 --> 01:56:58,000
Because it was really scary to go
up against

3129
01:56:58,000 --> 01:57:02,000
the president of the United States

3130
01:57:02,000 --> 01:57:04,000
and speak the truth,

3131
01:57:04,000 --> 01:57:07,000
is something that only a few people
will know.

3132
01:57:07,000 --> 01:57:11,000
>> She was a hardcore Trump loyalist.

3133
01:57:11,000 --> 01:57:12,000
And she's getting ready to destroy

3134
01:57:12,000 --> 01:57:14,000
the tribe

3135
01:57:14,000 --> 01:57:18,000
that she gets her identity from.

3136
01:57:18,000 --> 01:57:19,000
I've been there, right. I've been

3137
01:57:19,000 --> 01:57:20,000
in that moment.
It was pretty awe-inspiring to be

3138
01:57:20,000 --> 01:57:21,000
quite honest with you.

3139
01:57:21,000 --> 01:57:25,000
>> I will now swear in our witness.

3140
01:57:25,000 --> 01:57:29,000
>> Knowing how Trump had

3141
01:57:29,000 --> 01:57:32,000
become so intimidating a person for
people who crossed him

3142
01:57:32,000 --> 01:57:36,000
and this one young woman doing what
so many other

3143
01:57:36,000 --> 01:57:39,000
much older, frequently male staffers
wouldn't do

3144
01:57:39,000 --> 01:57:43,000
which is come forward

3145
01:57:43,000 --> 01:57:45,000
and testifying truthfully under oath.

3146
01:57:45,000 --> 01:57:46,000
>> ...the whole truth, and nothing
but the truth,

3147
01:57:46,000 --> 01:57:48,000
so help you God?

3148
01:57:48,000 --> 01:57:50,000
>> (inaudible)

3149
01:57:50,000 --> 01:57:51,000
>> Thank you, you may be seated.

3150
01:57:51,000 --> 01:57:54,000
>> NARRATOR: Inside the White House

3151
01:57:54,000 --> 01:57:55,000
Hutchinson had been a top aide

3152
01:57:55,000 --> 01:57:58,000
to Trump's chief of staff, Mark Meadows

3153
01:57:58,000 --> 01:58:01,000
and in the room during key events

3154
01:58:01,000 --> 01:58:03,000
the committee was investigating.

3155
01:58:03,000 --> 01:58:04,000
>> Hutchinson was a crucial witness

3156
01:58:04,000 --> 01:58:06,000
in terms of helping to

3157
01:58:06,000 --> 01:58:07,000
shine a light on the president's state

3158
01:58:07,000 --> 01:58:10,000
of mind

3159
01:58:10,000 --> 01:58:11,000
because so few people were capable

3160
01:58:11,000 --> 01:58:12,000
of doing that.

3161
01:58:12,000 --> 01:58:16,000
>> NARRATOR: Hutchinson revealed details

3162
01:58:16,000 --> 01:58:19,000
about Trump's plans for January 6.

3163
01:58:19,000 --> 01:58:22,000
>> On January 2,

3164
01:58:22,000 --> 01:58:23,000
four days before the attack on our

3165
01:58:23,000 --> 01:58:24,000
Capitol

3166
01:58:24,000 --> 01:58:26,000
President Trump's lead lawyer, Mr.
Giuliani, was meeting

3167
01:58:26,000 --> 01:58:29,000
with White House chief of staff Mark
Meadows and others.

3168
01:58:29,000 --> 01:58:30,000
Ms. Hutchinson we understand that

3169
01:58:30,000 --> 01:58:33,000
you

3170
01:58:33,000 --> 01:58:35,000
walked Mr. Giuliani out of the White
House that night

3171
01:58:35,000 --> 01:58:38,000
and he talked to you about January
6.

3172
01:58:38,000 --> 01:58:41,000
What do you remember him saying?

3173
01:58:41,000 --> 01:58:42,000
>> As Mr. Giuliani and I were walking
to his vehicles

3174
01:58:42,000 --> 01:58:45,000
that evening he looked at me and said

3175
01:58:45,000 --> 01:58:48,000
something to the effect of

3176
01:58:48,000 --> 01:58:49,000
"Cass, are you excited for the sixth?

3177
01:58:49,000 --> 01:58:52,000
It's going to be a great day."

3178
01:58:52,000 --> 01:58:54,000
I member looking at him saying

3179
01:58:54,000 --> 01:58:55,000
"Rudy, could you explain what's happening
on the sixth?"

3180
01:58:55,000 --> 01:58:56,000
And he had responded something to

3181
01:58:56,000 --> 01:58:59,000
the effect of

3182
01:58:59,000 --> 01:59:02,000
"We're going to the Capitol.

3183
01:59:02,000 --> 01:59:04,000
"It's going to be great.

3184
01:59:04,000 --> 01:59:06,000
"The president's going to be there.

3185
01:59:06,000 --> 01:59:08,000
He's going to look powerful."

3186
01:59:08,000 --> 01:59:11,000
>> She clearly had nothing to gain
by doing it.

3187
01:59:11,000 --> 01:59:13,000
She was telling the truth as she saw
it.

3188
01:59:13,000 --> 01:59:15,000
This poised, composed

3189
01:59:15,000 --> 01:59:16,000
young woman with no obvious axe to

3190
01:59:16,000 --> 01:59:18,000
grind

3191
01:59:18,000 --> 01:59:21,000
as she's telling her story

3192
01:59:21,000 --> 01:59:23,000
it's the most powerful moment I think
in the entire hearings.

3193
01:59:23,000 --> 01:59:26,000
>> And I found Mr. Meadows

3194
01:59:26,000 --> 01:59:27,000
in his office, scrolling through his

3195
01:59:27,000 --> 01:59:28,000
phone.

3196
01:59:28,000 --> 01:59:29,000
I remember leaning against the doorway

3197
01:59:29,000 --> 01:59:30,000
and saying

3198
01:59:30,000 --> 01:59:31,000
"I just had an interesting conversation

3199
01:59:31,000 --> 01:59:32,000
with Rudy, Mark.

3200
01:59:32,000 --> 01:59:33,000
It sounds like we're going to go to

3201
01:59:33,000 --> 01:59:35,000
the Capitol."

3202
01:59:35,000 --> 01:59:38,000
He didn't look up from his phone

3203
01:59:38,000 --> 01:59:40,000
and said something to the effect of,

3204
01:59:40,000 --> 01:59:41,000
"There's a lot going on, Cass, but

3205
01:59:41,000 --> 01:59:42,000
I don't know

3206
01:59:42,000 --> 01:59:43,000
things might get real, real bad on

3207
01:59:43,000 --> 01:59:47,000
January 6."

3208
01:59:47,000 --> 01:59:50,000
>> (crowd chanting): U.S.A.!

3209
01:59:50,000 --> 01:59:51,000
U.S.A.!

3210
01:59:51,000 --> 01:59:53,000
U.S.A.! >> Tensions are running high.

3211
01:59:53,000 --> 01:59:54,000
30,000 supporters of the present

3212
01:59:54,000 --> 01:59:57,000
are gathering right now.

3213
01:59:57,000 --> 01:59:58,000
They're having what they're calling

3214
01:59:58,000 --> 02:00:00,000
a "Stop the Steal" rally.

3215
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:01,000
>> NARRATOR: And on January 6,

3216
02:00:01,000 --> 02:00:02,000
Hutchinson was in the president's

3217
02:00:02,000 --> 02:00:04,000
inner circle.

3218
02:00:04,000 --> 02:00:06,000
>> I think the campaign is aware

3219
02:00:06,000 --> 02:00:08,000
that January 6 would be the last stand.

3220
02:00:08,000 --> 02:00:09,000
Once that certification happens on

3221
02:00:09,000 --> 02:00:11,000
the sixth

3222
02:00:11,000 --> 02:00:13,000
that it's really over.

3223
02:00:13,000 --> 02:00:16,000
(siren blaring)

3224
02:00:16,000 --> 02:00:19,000
>> Miss Hutchinson did you go to the
rally

3225
02:00:19,000 --> 02:00:22,000
in the presidential motorcade?

3226
02:00:22,000 --> 02:00:24,000
>> I, I was there, yes.

3227
02:00:24,000 --> 02:00:26,000
(siren blaring)

3228
02:00:26,000 --> 02:00:29,000
>> And were you backstage

3229
02:00:29,000 --> 02:00:31,000
with the president and other members
of his staff and family?

3230
02:00:31,000 --> 02:00:33,000
>> I was.

3231
02:00:33,000 --> 02:00:34,000
>> NARRATOR: It was in the tent backstage

3232
02:00:34,000 --> 02:00:35,000
that Hutchinson

3233
02:00:35,000 --> 02:00:36,000
heard crucial evidence of what Trump

3234
02:00:36,000 --> 02:00:37,000
knew

3235
02:00:37,000 --> 02:00:38,000
about the potential for violence that

3236
02:00:38,000 --> 02:00:40,000
day.

3237
02:00:40,000 --> 02:00:41,000
>> (on video): When we were in the

3238
02:00:41,000 --> 02:00:44,000
fstage announce area tent

3239
02:00:44,000 --> 02:00:47,000
behind the stage

3240
02:00:47,000 --> 02:00:48,000
he was very concerned about the shots--

3241
02:00:48,000 --> 02:00:49,000
meaning the photographs that we would

3242
02:00:49,000 --> 02:00:52,000
get

3243
02:00:52,000 --> 02:00:53,000
because the rally space wasn't full.

3244
02:00:53,000 --> 02:00:54,000
>> The former president was unhappy

3245
02:00:54,000 --> 02:00:56,000
with the crowd se.

3246
02:00:56,000 --> 02:00:57,000
We learned that some of the crowd

3247
02:00:57,000 --> 02:01:00,000
size