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♪ ♪

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>> An historic day here
in Washington.

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A federal grand jury here
has indicted

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former President Donald Trump...

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>> Mr. Trump is charged
with three counts of conspiracy

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and one count of obstruction.

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>> This is the third
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the former president this year.

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>> He will now head to appear
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for the arraignment.

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This was not quite
the return to Washington

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this former president
had envisioned for himself.

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>> We were getting ready
to win this election.

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Frankly,
we did winhis election.

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I won this election by hundreds
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There's no way I lost Georgia,
there's no way.

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I only need 11,000 votes,
fellas,

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I need 11,000 votes.
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this election was stolen

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you're not going to have
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>> NARRATOR: For the first time
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a president charged with
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>> A major development
in Special Counsel

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Jack Smith's investigation
into former president Trump.

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>> Special Counsel Jack Smith
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charging Donald J. Trump
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>> In this case, my office
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until I became the
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I got indicted over bull
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I got indicted. Bull (bleep).

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I get indicted for saying
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as someone who has been
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>> To say the stakes
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doesn't even begin
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charged with trying to subvert
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following the chaos
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of great national catastrophe
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forming a commission
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14 or 15 former prosecutors.

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Lawyers that have the skill set
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with some pretty big names
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probing the January 6th
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>> NARRATOR: In January 6th,
Thompson saw parallels.

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>> One of the symbols
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to voting rights
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was the Confederate battle flag.

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being waved by many
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brought back those memories.

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>> When he saw rioters
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carrying the Confederate
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essentially trying to take away
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of the American people...

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>> (crowd chanting):
Fight for Trump!

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>> ...that I know affected him
profoundly.

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that he led the select
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>> NARRATOR: Thompson's
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a trove of information.

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The challenge: what do with it.

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The thing we needed to do
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to the American people
in a compelling way.

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a former president of ABC News.

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>> Yeah, I got a call
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from the
January the 6th committee.

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They wanted,
they wanted a storyteller.

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they were brilliant lawyers,

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storytelling for a mass audience
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>> To bring in a guy like this

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who would think outside the box
really did prove to be fruitful.

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in a way, a kind of miniseries,
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and that these episodes
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>> "Attack on the Capitol:
The Investigation."

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>> NARRATOR: The first hearing
was primetime television.

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>> ...the nation is about
to witness a defining moment.

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The first hearing
before the country,

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the results of the
January 6th investigation.

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>> This is an extraordinary
moment in American history.

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>> When it came to
that first hearing

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we knew how high
the stakes were.

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>> ...is about to hold
its first primetime hearing.

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>> We were either going to,
you know, make people realize

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that this is important,
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or once you've lost them,
you've lost them for good.

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>> On the evening of June 9,
8:01 p.m., the drs opened.

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My heart was beating pretty
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and it was a real question of
is this going to work or not?

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>> All right everybody, here we
go, five on the line please.

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>> I'm in this tiny control room

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right up the stairs from
Cannon Caucus.

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And we count down
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and at that point,
what can you do?

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>> Here we go,
in three, two, one.

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>> The select committee
to investigate

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the January 6th attack
on the United States Capitol

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will be in order.

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>> We wanted to make sure

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that this was a presentation
that would grab the audience

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and hold onto 'em.

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Chairman Thompson loved to say,
"It's gotta pop!"

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>> NARRATOR: To get it to "pop"
they had just the thing.

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>> Donald Trump lost the
presidential election in 2020.

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Don't believe me?

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Hear what his former attorney
general had to say about it.

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>> (on video): Not just what
I... I'd been through,

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I've had... I had three
discussions with the president

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that I can recall.

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>> NARRATOR: Former Attorney
General Bill Barr.

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>> This is the Attorney General
of the United States of America.

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For him to come forth under
oath, I think was very powerful.

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>> (on video): I made it clear
I did not agree with

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the idea of saying the election
was stolen

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and putting out this stuff,

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which I told the president
was bull (bleep).

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>> Bill Barr, who had been
hated by the left,

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and who had been beloved
by Trump all the way

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until December of 2020,

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to hear him say,
mincing no words,

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that there was all this
bull (bleep)

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that was being perpetrated
by Trump

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made you realize that ay,

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we're now about to walk into

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a portal of evidence that is,
um, that is in fact different

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than everything else.

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>> NARRATOR:
Following Barr: shocking video.

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>> Most of the footage
we are about to play

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has never been seen.

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The select committee obtained it
as a part of our investigation.

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(shouting)
>> Hold thline!

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Hold the line! Hold the line!

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>> Break the line!
(shouting)

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>> We have a breach
of the Capitol,

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breach of the Capitol,
on the upper level!

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>> We can't hold this,
we're gonna get

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too many (bleep) people.

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Look at this (bleep)
vantage point-- we're (bleep).

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>> We need to hold the doors
of the Capitol.

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(shouting)

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I need (indistinct) support!

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(shouting)

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We lost the line!

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We've lost the line!

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All MPD fall back.

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(on video): All MPD fall back up
to the upper deck!

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All MPD fall back
to the upper deck, ASAP!

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(crowd shouting on video)

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(crowd chanting "Nancy")

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>> In the room that moment,

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we had officers that had

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been there on January 6.

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(crowd shouting on video)

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(indistinct shouting,
struggling)

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(shouting, struggling continue)

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>> There was a real gravity that

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we wanted to bring to that
first hearing, that that video

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really put in perspective
for us there.

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>> ...get him out, get him up!

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Get him up!

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Officer down!
>> Get him up!

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(officers shouting)
>> Get him up!

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>> Hold up! Hold up!
>> Get him up!

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(shouting continues)

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>> I don't think anyone,
until that footage was shown,

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had really fully understood
the violence of the day.

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(crowd cheering)

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(crowd shouting)

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>> Help!

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(shouting continues on video)

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>> Those law enforcement
personnel,

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here are people who were sworn

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to protect the Capitol,

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come to work on that day
too just that,

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and they are assaulted.

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(crowd cheering on video)

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>> NARRATOR: Paying special
attention to the hearing,

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Donald Trump,
who responded on his own

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social media platform.

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>> (dramatized): The so-called
"Rush on the Capitol"

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was not caused by me,

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it was caused by a
rigged and stolen election!

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(indistinct radio chatter)

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>> NARRATOR: The committee
continued laying out

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its evidence to the contrary.

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>> The attack on our Capitol

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was not a spontaneous riot.

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President Trump
summoned the mob,

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assembled the mob,

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and lit the flame
of this attack.

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>> NARRATOR:
Vice chair at the hearing:

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Liz Cheney,
a lifelong Republican

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and rock-ribbed conservative.

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>> ...or destroy by force,
the government...

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>> I chose Liz Cheney
as my vice chair.

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she had Republican credibility
in the broader sense.

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So you take
an African American liberal

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and a white female conservative

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to lead this committee.

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>> Liz Cheney is
Republican royalty in many ways.

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She's the daughter of
Dick Cheney,

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the vice president.

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She's very conservative,
she represents Wyoming.

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No one would mistake her
for a liberal,

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but she also was someone

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who broke very publicly with
Donald Trump.

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>> And there is no RINO
in America who has thrown in

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her lot with the radical left
more than Liz Cheney.

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(crowd booing)

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She has gone crazy!

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>> I will do everything I can
to ensure the former president

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never again gets anywhere near
the Oval Office.

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>> She's been so strong on,

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"We need to have the truth about
January 6.

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"We need to have the truth about

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"what happened before
January 6.

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We can't have Trump again,
he can't be president again."

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>> I talked to her about
what was motivating her.

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And she said every time
she sees the video...

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>> (crowd chanting):
...Mike Pence!

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>> ...of Mike Pence
being rushed to safety,

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for fear of his life
on January 6...

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>> Evacuate so we can

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secure the members
on the other side, copy!

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>> ...she saw, in her mind,
the image of her father.

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>> A plane has just crashed

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into the World Trade Center
here in New York City.

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(explosion)
>> Oh, my God!

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>> That looks like a second
plane.

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>> Dick Cheney,
the vice president,

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being rushed away from
his office in the White House

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to theunker on 9/11.

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>> It is one of the darkest days
in America,

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attacked in an act
of terrorist war.

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>> Tremendously sad day,

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insurrectionists have stormed
the U.S. Capitol,

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and they have been cheered on
by the president.

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>> And suddenly I got it.

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Suddenly I got it--
for her, this was what Al Qaeda

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and 9/11 were to her father.

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To the extent that her father
became really quite driven

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by his view of the mission
to protect America after 9/11,

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she saw her mission
the same way,

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to protect America from
Donald Trump.

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♪ ♪

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>> NARRATOR: Now helping to lead
the January 6th committee,

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Cheney was determined
to lay out the case

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against Donald Trump.

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>> Over multiple months,

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Donald Trump oversaw and
coordinated a sophisticated plan

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to overturn
the esidential election

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and prevent the transfer
of presidential power.

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>> In the very first hearing,
she kind of laid out

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the theory of the case, right,

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the opening statement where she

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puts forth this multi-part plan.

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I think that will sound
very much like

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Jack Smith's opening statement
in the trial in March.

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It is a summary of
how all of this fits togetr.

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>> In our hearings,
you will see evidence

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of each element of this plan.

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>> Frankly,
we did win this election.

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(crowd cheering)
We did win this election.

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>> Donald Trump and his advisors

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knew that he had in fact
lost the election,

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but despite this,

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you will see evidence
that President Trump

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corruptly pressured
state legislators

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and election officials
to change election results.

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(telephone dialing out,
picks up)

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>> I only need 11,000 votes!

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Fellas, I need 11,000 votes,
give me a break.

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(telephone hangs up)

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♪ ♪

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>> What you saw at that hearing,

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methodically laid out
by Liz Cheney,

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showed that it wasn't just some
sort of like random,

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off the cuff,
impulsive actions on his part,

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but that there was,
in fact, a strategy

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and a pattern and a methology
to what he was doing.

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>> President Trump's efforts

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to pressure Vice President Pence
to act illegally

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likely violated
two federal criminal statutes.

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>> Because if Mike Pence
does the right thing,

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we win the election.

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>> If I could have been
a fly on the wall

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in the Department of Justice
during that,

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I certainly probably expect
everybody sat up and took notice

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of what she said after that.

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>> In our final hearings,
you will hear

512
00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:45,000
how President Trump
summoned a violent mob

513
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:47,000
and directed them, illegally,

514
00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:50,000
to march on the
United States Capitol.

515
00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:52,000
>> We fight like hell,

516
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:53,000
and if you don't fight
like hell,

517
00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:55,000
you're not going to have
a country any more.

518
00:24:55,000 --> 00:25:00,000
♪ ♪

519
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:05,000
>> And with that,
the committee stands adjourned.

520
00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:09,000
(bangs gavel)

521
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:12,000
>> NARRATOR: The hearings
got the public's attention.

522
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:13,000
>> The first primetime
January 6th hearing

523
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:15,000
laying the foundation for
a specific case against Trump.

524
00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:16,000
>> The House Committee

525
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:19,000
went into graphic detail
on the results of...

526
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:21,000
>> To put it crassly,

527
00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:23,000
the January 6th committee
was a ratings hit.

528
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:25,000
>> From NBC News,
January 6th revelations will

529
00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:27,000
"blow the roof off the House."

530
00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:28,000
>> The very first one,

531
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:32,000
the primetime viewing was at
19.4 million,

532
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:34,000
which was
really, really remarkable.

533
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:37,000
>> Huge-- surprisingly huge
numbers last night,

534
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:40,000
that's on par with events like
Sunday Night Football games.

535
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:43,000
There were still multiple,
multip, brand-new revelations

536
00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:45,000
last night that took us
by surprise.

537
00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:46,000
>> NARRATOR:
But for his supporters,

538
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:49,000
Trump had a different story.

539
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:52,000
>> (dramatized): The unselect
committee of political hacks

540
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:54,000
refuses to play any
of the many positive

541
00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:56,000
witnesses and statements.

542
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:58,000
>> It's a broadside.

543
00:25:58,000 --> 00:25:59,000
And it's not just one broadside,

544
00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:03,000
it is a continuous series
of broadsides.

545
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:05,000
>> (dramatized): Bill Barr
was a weak and frightened

546
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:08,000
attorney general
who was always being "played"

547
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:10,000
and threatened by the Democrats.

548
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:12,000
>> It's just so relentless,

549
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:15,000
it's so constant, it's so loud,

550
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:17,000
that in parts of MAGA America,

551
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:20,000
that MAGA barrage drowns out
anything else.

552
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:23,000
>> (dramatized): Warmongering
and despicable human being

553
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:24,000
Liz Cheney,

554
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:25,000
who is hated by...

555
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:27,000
>> NARRATOR: And on the
conservative airwaves,

556
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:29,000
they ampfied Trump's message.

557
00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:30,000
>> Every news network

558
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,000
in this country but this one

559
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:36,000
faithfully surrendered
its entire prime time lineup.

560
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:40,000
The effect was North Korean,
every channel the same.

561
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:44,000
>> A full-on Hollywood,
multimedia extravaganza.

562
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:47,000
>> ...to prosecute Trump
with this show trial,

563
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:49,000
with this kangaroo court...

564
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:52,000
>> I don't think,
really by any large stretch,

565
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:55,000
can you characterize it
as bipartisan.

566
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:58,000
And this is, I guess,
a consequence of bigger issues

567
00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:01,000
about the evenly divided country
that we're in

568
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:05,000
and extreme partisanship
in the political process.

569
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:07,000
>> Can they show us
one damned sentence

570
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:09,000
in the hundreds of thousands
of documents

571
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:10,000
that they have collected,

572
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:12,000
the thousand
witnesses they've had--

573
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:16,000
anything, anywhere that links
Donald Trump to directing

574
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:17,000
or ordering an attack

575
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:18,000
on the Capitol building?

576
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:20,000
Where is it?

577
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:23,000
>> If you're talking to somebody
who's deep in MAGA America,

578
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:26,000
they didn't pay attention
to the January 6th commission.

579
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:29,000
They were told not
to pay attention to it.

580
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:31,000
That whatever was going
to come out

581
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:33,000
it was going to be fake
or fake news.

582
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:37,000
And this is the way a lot of
Americans live their lives.

583
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:39,000
It's not just red Americans,
blue Americans as well.

584
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:40,000
We, we live in bubbles.

585
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:45,000
And this is the way millions
upon millions of Americans live.

586
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:49,000
(siren blaring)

587
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:54,000
♪ ♪

588
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:56,000
>> NARRATOR:
In the weeks that followed,

589
00:27:56,000 --> 00:28:01,000
the committee laid out
the details of their case.

590
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:04,000
>> This morning we'll tell
the story of how Donald Trump

591
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:07,000
lost an election,
and knew he lost an election,

592
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:10,000
and as a result of his loss

593
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:14,000
decided to wage an attack
on our democracy.

594
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:16,000
>> NARRATOR: A central question:

595
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:20,000
what the president knew
and when he knew it.

596
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:22,000
>> For a long time people who
have pursued Donald Trump

597
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:25,000
tripped up on the question
of whether they could prove

598
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:27,000
that he knew what
he was doing was wrong,

599
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:29,000
or that he knew
what he was saying was a lie.

600
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:32,000
The January 6th committee
got past that

601
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:36,000
by demonstrating that he
was told, time and time again,

602
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:38,000
that he did not win
the election--

603
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:39,000
not by Democrats,

604
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:42,000
not by the media,
but by his own people.

605
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:46,000
>> I want to start by showing
a video that tells the story

606
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:50,000
of what was going on
in the Trump White House

607
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:54,000
on election night
in November of 2020.

608
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,000
>> (on video):
The Fox News Decision Desk

609
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:58,000
is calling Arizona
for Joe Biden.

610
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:03,000
That is a big get
for the Biden campaign.

611
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:05,000
>> Arizona is called,
do you remember that?

612
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:07,000
>> I do.

613
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:08,000
>> What do you remember
happening

614
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:11,000
where you were
when Arizona was called?

615
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:16,000
>> Um, I, uh, there was surprise
at the call.

616
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:22,000
>> After Fox News
called Arizona for Biden,

617
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:25,000
there was discussion
about whether President Trump

618
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:27,000
should say something
and should declare victory.

619
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:30,000
The consensus of almost
all of his advisors

620
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:33,000
was that he should not.

621
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:35,000
>> It was far too early

622
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:38,000
to be making any calls
like that.

623
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:43,000
Um, ballots, ballots
were still being counted.

624
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:45,000
Ballots were still going to be
counted for days,

625
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:48,000
and it was far too early

626
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:50,000
to be making any proclamation
like that.

627
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,000
>> The professionals on his

628
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:55,000
campaign staff are telling him,

629
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:56,000
you know,

630
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:58,000
"We can't claim victory,

631
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,000
"either, you know, you lost
or we have to at least

632
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,000
wait and see
what's going to happen."

633
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:08,000
And Trump makes the choice
that he wants to listen instead

634
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:09,000
to Rudy Giuliani.

635
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:11,000
>> Were you part of
any discussions

636
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:12,000
about whether the president
should make

637
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:16,000
any sort of speech on
election night?

638
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:18,000
>> I, I mean I spoke

639
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:19,000
to the president.

640
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:23,000
They may have been present,
but the president--

641
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:26,000
but I spoke to the president
several times that night.

642
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:30,000
>> NARRATOR: Rudy Giuliani's
advice was very different

643
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:32,000
than that of Trump's
political advisors.

644
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:35,000
>> His personal lawyer,
Giuliani, tells Trump,

645
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:37,000
"Keep fighting.

646
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:39,000
"We will have a legal crusade,

647
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:41,000
"a political crusade

648
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:43,000
to keep you in power."

649
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:47,000
Trump loves the idea.

650
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:49,000
>> Rudy Giuliani is one of

651
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:51,000
the most prominent figures
in American politics

652
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:52,000
in the last 25 years,

653
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:57,000
who is remembered fondly for his
leadership post-9/11.

654
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:04,000
>> But over the years
he drifted towards Donald Trump.

655
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:09,000
Towards being someone
that would be essentially

656
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:10,000
a yes man to Donald Trump

657
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:14,000
and some of his worst impulses.

658
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:16,000
>> NARRATOR:
And on election night,

659
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:20,000
Giuliani insisted Trump
should fight.

660
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:22,000
>> The president ignores
the sound advice

661
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:24,000
that he's getting from
Bill Stepien,

662
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:27,000
from the political professionals
around him,

663
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:29,000
and he's listening to

664
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:32,000
one voice that is telling him
something different,

665
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:34,000
and that's Giuliani saying,

666
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:39,000
"You should go out there
and declare victory."

667
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:41,000
>> And did anybody disagree

668
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:43,000
with your message?

669
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:46,000
>> Yes.
>> Who was that?

670
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:48,000
>> The president disagreed
with that.

671
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:51,000
Hehought I was wrong,
he told me so,

672
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:55,000
and, you know, that they were
going to, you know, go in a--

673
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:59,000
you know, he was gonna
go in a different direction.

674
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:04,000
(cheers and applause)

675
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:05,000
>> I think the
most dangerous speech

676
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:07,000
that Donald Trump ever gave

677
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:10,000
was not the one that
he gave on January 6.

678
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:12,000
I think it's the speech that
he gave at 2:30 in the morning

679
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:13,000
the night of the election.

680
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:17,000
>> This is a fraud
on the American public.

681
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:20,000
This is an embarrassment
to our country.

682
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:24,000
We were getting ready
to win this election.

683
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:27,000
Frankly,
we did win this election.

684
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:29,000
(cheers and applause)
We did win this election.

685
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:32,000
>> Trump knew that
the trends looked bad.

686
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:36,000
Trump knew that there were
hundreds of thousands of votes

687
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:37,000
still to be counted

688
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:40,000
and he came out and he said,

689
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:42,000
"Frankly,
we did win the election."

690
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:46,000
>> We want all voting to stop.

691
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:51,000
We don't want them to find any
ballots at 4:00 in the morning

692
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:52,000
and add them to the list.

693
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:54,000
Okay?
(cheers and applause)

694
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:57,000
>> NARRATOR: In the years since,
Trump has claimed

695
00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:59,000
that he believed what he said
that night.

696
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:01,000
>> I saw what happened.

697
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:03,000
I watched that election,
and I thought the election

698
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:05,000
was over at 10:00
the evening.

699
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:07,000
>> NARRATOR:
But according to the committee,

700
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:11,000
his claims of fraud were part of
a well-established plan.

701
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:16,000
>> The moment when he said,
"Frankly, I won this election,"

702
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:18,000
was telegraphed
many, many times

703
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:21,000
and throughout the campaign

704
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:22,000
of 2020,

705
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:26,000
he repeatedly cast doubt on
the legitimacy of the outcome,

706
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:31,000
cast doubt on absentee ballots,
et cetera.

707
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:35,000
>> As early as April 2020,

708
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:39,000
Mr. Trump claimed that the only
way he could lose an election

709
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:43,000
would be as a result of fraud.

710
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:45,000
>> (on video): The only way
we're gonna lose this election

711
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:48,000
is if the election is rigged.

712
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:49,000
Remember that,
it's the only way

713
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:50,000
we're going to lose
this election.

714
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:53,000
This is going to be a fraud
like you've never seen.

715
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:55,000
Did you see what's going on?

716
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:57,000
Take a look at West Virginia,
mailmen selling the ballots,

717
00:33:57,000 --> 00:34:00,000
they're being sold,
they're being dumped in rivers.

718
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:03,000
This is a horrible thing
for our country.

719
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:04,000
>> There is no--
there is no evidence of that.

720
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:06,000
>> This is not going
to end well.

721
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:09,000
>> NARRATOR:
For the January 6th committee,

722
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:13,000
it was crucial evidence
of Trump's intent.

723
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:16,000
>> He makes numerous speeches
and, and TV...

724
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:17,000
comments in TV interviews.

725
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:19,000
>> You're going to see
corruption

726
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:22,000
like you've never seen, you're
going to see a rigged election.

727
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,000
It'll be the greatest
rigged election in history,

728
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:28,000
it'll be the greatest fraud
ever perpetrated.

729
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:30,000
>> It's all a big fraud.

730
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:31,000
>> It's a crooked deal,
it's a rigged deal,

731
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:34,000
new ballots are coming out
that are thrown in garbage cans

732
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:36,000
with the name Trump on it.

733
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:40,000
>> This was part of the scheme
of getting his supporters

734
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,000
sensitized to the fact that

735
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:44,000
"There's going to be
some fraud here."

736
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,000
>> Because the only way
they're going to win

737
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:49,000
is by a rigged election,
I really believe that.

738
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:51,000
>> This is a pattern for Trump.

739
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:54,000
He has done this every step of
the way through his career,

740
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:55,000
long before potics.

741
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:57,000
>> My name's Donald Trump,

742
00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:59,000
and I'm the largest real estate
developer in New York.

743
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:02,000
>> When "The Apprentice" lost
an Emmy to "The Amazing Race,"

744
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:05,000
he claimed that the Emmy contest
was rigged.

745
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:07,000
>> (dramatized): "Amazing Race"
winning an Emmy again

746
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:08,000
is a total joke.

747
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:10,000
The Emmys have no credibility.
(Twitter chime)

748
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:12,000
The Emmys are all politics,

749
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:15,000
that's why "The Apprentice"
never won. (Twitter chime)

750
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:17,000
>> The public is smart.

751
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:18,000
They know it's a con game.

752
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:22,000
>> I have just called
President Obama

753
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:24,000
to congratulate him
on his victory.

754
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:27,000
>> He claimed that the election
was rigged in 2012

755
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:28,000
when Mitt Romney,
whom he had endorsed,

756
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:30,000
lost to Barack Obama.

757
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:33,000
>> (dramatized): This election
is a total sham and a travesty.

758
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:35,000
We are not a democracy.
(Twitter chime)

759
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:37,000
More reports of voting machines

760
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:39,000
switching Romney votes to Obama.
(Twitter chime)

761
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:41,000
Let's fight like hell and stop
this great

762
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:43,000
and disgusting injustice!
(Twitter chime)

763
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,000
We can't let this happen.

764
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:47,000
We should march on Washington.
(Twitter chime)

765
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:48,000
>> Every step along the way

766
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:51,000
anything he has ever lost
is because somebody else

767
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:53,000
has cheated and stolen it
from him.

768
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:56,000
>> Fox News can now project
that Texas senator Ted Cruz

769
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:58,000
has won Iowa.

770
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:03,000
>> Ted Cruz wins the Republican
contest here in Iowa.

771
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:04,000
>> The big question now:

772
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:06,000
how is Donald Trump
going to handle a loss?

773
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:09,000
>> (dramatized): The State of
Iowa should disqualify Ted Cruz

774
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:13,000
from the most recent election
on the basis that he cheated--

775
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:14,000
a total fraud.
(Twitter chime)

776
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:16,000
>> You have twted that

777
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:19,000
Senator Ted Cruz
stole the Iowa election.

778
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:21,000
>> Everything about it
was disgraceful.

779
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:23,000
It was a fraud
as far as I was concerned.

780
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:25,000
>> Knowing what we know now--

781
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:30,000
I think you would go back to
February 1 of 2016.

782
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:33,000
>> It's a total voter fraud
when you think of it

783
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:36,000
and actually I came in probably
first if you think about it.

784
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:38,000
>> That episode

785
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:42,000
was a bright red blinking light

786
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:44,000
foreshadowing everything that
was to come.

787
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:48,000
>> The portrait that both
prosecutors

788
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:50,000
and the January 6th committee
are trying to paint

789
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:54,000
is that Trump knows
what's going on.

790
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,000
That this wasn't something
spontaneous.

791
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:59,000
This wasn't something that
the president truly believed.

792
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:02,000
That it was all part of
an overall and illegal--

793
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:03,000
according to prosecutors
and the committee--

794
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:07,000
strategy to remain in power
unlawfully.

795
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:09,000
>> NARRATOR:
And in court filings,

796
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:12,000
prosecutors have said
Trump's statements are evidence

797
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:15,000
of the criminal conspiracy
at the heart of the case.

798
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:18,000
>> "They demonstrate
the defendant's common plan

799
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:20,000
"of falsely blaming fraud
for election results

800
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:23,000
"he does not like,
as well as his motive, intent,

801
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:25,000
"and plan to obstruct
the certification

802
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:30,000
of the 2020 election results and
illegitimately retain power."

803
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:33,000
>> Intent  the
whole ball game.

804
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:36,000
The jury is making
an evaluation of that.

805
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:39,000
Um, that's the most difficult
thing to prove.

806
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:43,000
Not impossible, but it is the
most difficult thing to prove.

807
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:47,000
>> NARRATOR: Robert Ray
was an independent counsel

808
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:49,000
who investigated
President Bill Clinton,

809
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:51,000
and helped get Trump acquitted

810
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:54,000
in his first
senate impeachment trial.

811
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:58,000
>> Our system requires that
a jury of 12 unanimously,

812
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:01,000
meaning all of them,
all 12 of them,

813
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:04,000
find the defendant guilty
beyond a reasonable doubt.

814
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:06,000
(gavel bangs)

815
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:08,000
>> NARRATOR: To try to show
the president's intent,

816
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:12,000
the committee focused on his own
statements after election night.

817
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:15,000
>> Although he publicly claimed

818
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:16,000
that he had won the election,

819
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:19,000
privately he admitted that

820
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:20,000
Joe Biden would take over
as president.

821
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:24,000
>> I remember maybe a week after
the election was called,

822
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:26,000
I popped into the Oval just
to like

823
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:29,000
give the president the headlines
and see how he was doing,

824
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:30,000
and he was looking at the TV
and he said,

825
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:32,000
"Can you believe I lost
to this effing guy?"

826
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:35,000
>> At the same time that
President Trump

827
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:38,000
was acknowledging privately
that he had lost the election,

828
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:40,000
he was hearing that there was no
evidence of fraud

829
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:44,000
or irregularities sufficient
to change the outcome.

830
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:47,000
>> His campaign team,

831
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:50,000
and this included his son-in-law
Jared Kushner,

832
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:54,000
went to him after
the election was declared.

833
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:58,000
And they didn't just rebut
the claims of voter fraud.

834
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:02,000
They explained to him
their analysis of why he lost.

835
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:04,000
They showed him the numbers

836
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:08,000
state by state
in the swing states.

837
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:11,000
>> I made this case, I know Hope
Hicks and others did to him,

838
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:14,000
which was, "You should kind
of make this a victory lap.

839
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:17,000
"Go around the country, talk
about what have accomplished,

840
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:19,000
"and you're going to be
in a great place in 2024

841
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:22,000
to win the presidency back."

842
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:23,000
♪ ♪

843
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:25,000
>> But then you had
Rudy Giuliani

844
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:29,000
who was whispering in his ear
what Trump wanted to hear.

845
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:33,000
Trump likes the people who tell
him what he wants to hear.

846
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:36,000
And he picked, in effect,
Rudy Giuliani

847
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:40,000
in order to go down the road
of challenging the election.

848
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:43,000
>> There is strong evidence that
this was an election

849
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:46,000
that in at least three or four
states, and possibly ten,

850
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:48,000
they, they... it was stolen.

851
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:53,000
Bringing in 100,000 ballots
in garbage cans,

852
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:56,000
and every single
one of them was for Biden.

853
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:58,000
>> NARRATOR: The federal
indictment alleges that

854
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:00,000
by the middle of November,

855
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:04,000
Trump's conspiracy to overturn
the election was underway.

856
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:07,000
>> November 14, 2020, is an
important date

857
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:12,000
in the federal indictment
of Donald Trump.

858
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:16,000
It is the moment when Donald
Trump said, "Rudy Giuliani--

859
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:19,000
"he's the only one who's
providing me

860
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:23,000
with a plausible path forward,
and I'm going to take it."

861
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:24,000
>> Look, you can fight it
all you want.

862
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:27,000
The reality is
dead people voted.

863
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:32,000
Over 300,000 ballots
were counted in secret...

864
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:38,000
>> Rudy Giuliani was central
to a lot of these schemes,

865
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:41,000
framing them, orchestrating
them, directing other people,

866
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:43,000
being in on the communications.

867
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:46,000
And so once Trump made a
decision

868
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:51,000
to defer to Rudy Giuliani as the
person who was setting the tone

869
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:53,000
and giving people their talking
points

870
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:54,000
for what the approach was,

871
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:57,000
that's when he decided to go
after these nutty theories.

872
00:40:57,000 --> 00:41:01,000
>> 8,021 ballots from dead
people,

873
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:03,000
mail-in ballots for dead people.

874
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:06,000
We're checking the records of
the cemeteries

875
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:09,000
around Philadelphia.
(audience laughter)

876
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:11,000
>> NARRATOR: During that period,

877
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:15,000
Giuliani and Trump would repeat
dozens of false allegations

878
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:17,000
and the committee believed
they had evidence

879
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:21,000
it wasn't an honest mistake.

880
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:23,000
>> One of the things the
committee did that was critical

881
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:25,000
was putting together this
timeline in which they showed,

882
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:26,000
very clearly,

883
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:29,000
the president would
be told one thing one day,

884
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:31,000
not true, don't say that.

885
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:35,000
And he would go right back out
and say it the next day anyway.

886
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:37,000
That's really important toward,
I think,

887
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:42,000
establishing intent
to lie, intent to defraud.

888
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:44,000
>> Each ballot went three times,

889
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:46,000
here's ballot number one,
here it is a second time,

890
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:49,000
third time, next ballot.

891
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:52,000
>> I told the president myself
that these allegations

892
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:54,000
about ballots run through
the machine several times,

893
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:56,000
it was not true.

894
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:58,000
>> In several counties
in Georgia,

895
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:01,000
there's clear evidence
that tens of thousands of votes

896
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:04,000
were switched from
President Trump to Biden.

897
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:07,000
>> Well, Mr. President,
we did a hand re-tally

898
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:10,000
of all the ballots and compared
that to what the machine said,

899
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:12,000
and it came up with virtually
the same result.

900
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:16,000
>> In Detroit a vote dump came
in unexpectedly.

901
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:20,000
I'll tell you what's wrong:
voter fraud.

902
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:23,000
>> And then he raised the big
vote dump in Detroit

903
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:27,000
and I said, "There's no
indication of fraud in Detroit."

904
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:31,000
>> Over 10,300 ballots
in Georgia were cast

905
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:34,000
by individuals who died prior
to the election.

906
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:36,000
>> The actual number were two,

907
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:39,000
two people that were dead
that voted.

908
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:41,000
>> You have Dominion,
which those machines are fixed,

909
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:43,000
they're rigged.

910
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:45,000
You can press Trump
and the vote goes to Biden.

911
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:49,000
>> I specifically raised the
Dominion voting machines.

912
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:52,000
I saw absolutely zero basis
for the allegations.

913
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:56,000
I told him that
it was crazy stuff.

914
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:58,000
>> Stretching the truth in a
campaign ad

915
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:01,000
or on the debate stage is .

916
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:03,000
But when you are using that lie

917
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:05,000
to subvert the democratic
process,

918
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:08,000
and to convince people that they
need to overturn the election,

919
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:12,000
now you're talking about
conspiracy.

920
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:17,000
And that's what he's
charged with.

921
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:19,000
>> NARRATOR: Trump wouldn't
talk to the committee,

922
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:22,000
but he did talk to NBC News.

923
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:25,000
>> The most senior lawyers
in your own administration

924
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:28,000
and on your campaign told you
that after you lost

925
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:31,000
more than 60 legal challenges,
that it was over.

926
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:32,000
Why did you ignore them

927
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:35,000
and decide to listen to a
new outside group of attorneys?

928
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:36,000
>> Because
I didn't respect them.

929
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:38,000
As lawyers.
>> You'd hired them.

930
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:40,000
>> Sure. But that doesn't mean--
you know, you hire them,

931
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:42,000
you never met these people,
you get a recommendation.

932
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:45,000
They turn out to be RINOs, or
they turn out to be not so good.

933
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:47,000
In many cases,
I didn't respect them.

934
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:49,000
But I did respect others.

935
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:52,000
I respected many others that
said the election was rigged.

936
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:53,000
>> Were you calling the shots,
though,

937
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:56,000
Mr. President, ultimately?

938
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:58,000
>> As to whether or not I
believed it was rigged? Oh sure.

939
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:00,000
>> Okay.
>> It was my decision.

940
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:03,000
>> NARRATOR: One of the
allegations in the charges

941
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:05,000
against Trump
is that he used lies

942
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:07,000
to carry out
his criminal conspiracy.

943
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:10,000
>> "The Defendant's knowingly
false statements

944
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:13,000
were integral
to his criminal plans."

945
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:15,000
>> NARRATOR: But to the
president's defenders,

946
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:19,000
his statements about
the 2020 election, true or not,

947
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:22,000
should be protected
under the constitution.

948
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:25,000
>> You will see Trump
and those who defend him,

949
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:28,000
essentially using
the free speech defense,

950
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:31,000
and saying that these are just
words and in the end,

951
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:34,000
it's not a crime in America
to lie to the American public,

952
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:38,000
even though Donald Trump lied
to the American public a lot.

953
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:42,000
>> This is a central area
of the president's defense.

954
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:44,000
He does have First Amendment
rights,

955
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:47,000
and particularly as president.

956
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:51,000
And trying to turn words into
criminal conduct

957
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:53,000
is a very slippery road

958
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:57,000
for the prosecution under
the First Amendment.

959
00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:58,000
And in the event of a
conviction,

960
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:00,000
I can guarantee you this--

961
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:05,000
this will be point one in the
brief on appeal.

962
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:06,000
>> Lying to the government

963
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:09,000
is not protected
by the First Amendment.

964
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:11,000
Obstructing justice
is not protected

965
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:12,000
by the First Amendment.

966
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:15,000
>> NARRATOR: Ken White is
a prominent

967
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:19,000
criminal defense lawyer,
and a First Amendment expert.

968
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:21,000
>> And so here, the government's
position is going to be,

969
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:24,000
"We are not going after him for,
u know,

970
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:29,000
"what he said on the news,
that's not the crime.

971
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:31,000
"The crime is he's specifically
pushed

972
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:36,000
to derail specific
government functions."

973
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:44,000
♪ ♪

974
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:47,000
>> NARRATOR: As they gathered
their evidence,

975
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:49,000
the January 6th committee
returned again and again

976
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:52,000
to onetate: Georgia.

977
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:54,000
>> When Donald Trump tried

978
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:56,000
to overturn
the election results,

979
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:59,000
he focused on just a few states.

980
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:02,000
The former president
had a particular obsession

981
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:04,000
with Georgia.

982
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:06,000
>> I think that Trump chose us

983
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:09,000
because Republicans did control

984
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:12,000
basically every level
of government.

985
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:14,000
You got the House,
you got the Senate,

986
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:17,000
all Republican controlled,
not even close.

987
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:19,000
I think he thought he could
come here

988
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:22,000
and basically just by some kind
of fiat,

989
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:25,000
say, "Okay, make it happen."

990
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:27,000
>> NARRATOR: And it was in
Georgia

991
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:28,000
that Donald Trump received
a stark warning

992
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:32,000
from Gabriel Sterling,
an election official.

993
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:35,000
>> Gabriel Sterling explicitly
warned President Trump

994
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:38,000
about potential violence on
December 1, 2020,

995
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:41,000
more than a
month before January 6.

996
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:45,000
You will see excerpts from that
video repeatedly today.

997
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:47,000
>> Mr. President,

998
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:51,000
it looks like you likely lost
the state of Georgia.

999
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:54,000
Stop inspiring people to commit
potential acts of violen.

1000
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:56,000
Someone's going to get hurt,
someone's going to get shot,

1001
00:46:56,000 --> 00:47:01,000
someone's going to get killed,
and it's not right.

1002
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:05,000
>> Gabe Sterling called
out Donald Trump.

1003
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:07,000
He was the first to really,
as far as I remember,

1004
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:09,000
to really come out and say,
"There's going--

1005
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:11,000
like, this is going to lead
to violence."

1006
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:13,000
>> We're investigating,
there's always a possibility,

1007
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:16,000
I get it. You have...
>> Gabe Sterling is not listed

1008
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:18,000
as some kind of Republican in
name only

1009
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:23,000
or some kind of liberal
Republican prior to that moment.

1010
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:25,000
>> I've been a Republican since
I was about nine

1011
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:27,000
when Reagan was running
for reelection.

1012
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:30,000
I was nine years old when
I first kind of declared myself.

1013
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:32,000
My mother was not very happy.

1014
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:35,000
But my dad was pleased.

1015
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:40,000
I was working campaigns in the
late '80s and early '90s.

1016
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:43,000
So yeah,
I've been in Republican politics

1017
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:44,000
as an operative and a volunteer

1018
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:47,000
since before I could drive
a car.

1019
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:51,000
So yeah,
I've been at it for a while.

1020
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:53,000
>> The chair recognizes

1021
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:55,000
the gentleman from California,
Mr. Schiff,

1022
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:57,000
for an opening statement.

1023
00:47:57,000 --> 00:48:02,000
>> Mr. Sterling, thank you
also for being here today.

1024
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:04,000
>> Schiff--
I remember they told me

1025
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:07,000
he was going to question me,
I'm like, "Damn it."

1026
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:09,000
I can't stand that guy.

1027
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:12,000
(laughs) He irritates me to
death because I think he's wrong

1028
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:14,000
and doesn't tell the truth
a lot.

1029
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:16,000
But I said, you know what?

1030
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:17,000
I'm just going to play
this straight.

1031
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:19,000
I'm a fact witness,
just answer the questions.

1032
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:22,000
>> Donald Trump claims that
there was

1033
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:24,000
"massive voter fraud in
Georgia."

1034
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:27,000
Mr. Sterling, that
was just plain false, wasn't it?

1035
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:30,000
>> Yes, sir.

1036
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:32,000
(interview): I want to give some
perspective for this.

1037
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:35,000
I was a voting systems
implementation manager.

1038
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:38,000
I was a bureaucrat of all
bureaucrats,

1039
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:40,000
basically, at that time.

1040
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:42,000
No one should know
who the hell I am.

1041
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:45,000
I just was doing my job.

1042
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:47,000
>> NARRATOR: Sterling was on the
frontline

1043
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:50,000
as Trump attacked
the Georgia election results.

1044
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:53,000
>> (dramatized): Thousands of
uncounted votes discovered

1045
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:54,000
in Georgia counties.
(Twitter chime)

1046
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:56,000
Big voter fraud information

1047
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:58,000
coming out concerning Georgia.
(Twitter chime)

1048
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:01,000
Georgia Republicans are angry,
all Republicans are angry.

1049
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:03,000
Get it done!
(Twitt chime)

1050
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:06,000
>> The people in Georgia
are mad.

1051
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:07,000
They know their votes
were stolen.

1052
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:11,000
>> Georgia, of the six states
I looked at, is a cesspool.

1053
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:13,000
>> Georgia's probably going
to be the first state

1054
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:15,000
I'm going to blow up

1055
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:17,000
and the secretary of state need
to go with it.

1056
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:20,000
>> Everyone must go to the
capitol of Georgia now.

1057
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:24,000
We need to see people power
and this will do it.

1058
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:28,000
>> (chanting): We want Trump!

1059
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:33,000
>> NARRATOR: On the ground,
tensions were mounting.

1060
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:36,000
>> I mean you have a whole
voting population

1061
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:38,000
out there who still, today,

1062
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:40,000
believes that this election

1063
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:43,000
was stolen.

1064
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:48,000
>> (chanting): America First!

1065
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:52,000
And I they think that, you know,
some fraud happed.

1066
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:56,000
And that's how you end up in
situations where they're

1067
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:57,000
threatening the election
officials in Georgia.

1068
00:49:57,000 --> 00:49:59,000
(chime)

1069
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:00,000
>> "Keep opposing the audit,
and somebody in your family

1070
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:04,000
is going to have a very
unfortunate incident."

1071
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:05,000
"Please pray.

1072
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:08,000
"We plan for the death of you
and your family every day.

1073
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:10,000
I'm sorry."

1074
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:14,000
"You and your family
will be killed very slowly."

1075
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:17,000
>> It wasn't fun,
I can tell you that. Um...

1076
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:21,000
We were in the mix of...

1077
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:22,000
a...

1078
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:27,000
radicalized lie, essentially.

1079
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:31,000
And it just kept on escalating.
(chime)

1080
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:34,000
>> Y'all oughta blow your
(bleep) brains out

1081
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:35,000
you piece of (bleep).

1082
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:37,000
>> NARRATOR: The threats poured
into the voicemails

1083
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:40,000
of election officials.
(chime)

1084
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:42,000
>> Hope you're happy with the
way (bleep) going

1085
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:43,000
'cause you know who's fault this
is

1086
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:45,000
when the (bleep) (bleep) hits
the goddamn fan

1087
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:46,000
'cause you know it's coming.

1088
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:48,000
>> We're coming after you

1089
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:52,000
and every mother (bleep)
with our Second Amendment.

1090
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:56,000
(Bleep) enemy
communist (bleep) sucker,

1091
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:59,000
you will be served lead."

1092
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:03,000
♪ ♪

1093
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:08,000
>> It's all gone too far.

1094
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:11,000
All of it.

1095
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:15,000
It has to stop!

1096
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:16,000
(interview):
I had no script.

1097
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:19,000
In fact, I didn't realize I was
going to call out the president

1098
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:22,000
until I was literally saying
the words out loud at the time.

1099
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:23,000
Mr. President,

1100
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:26,000
you have not condemned these
actions or this language.

1101
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:29,000
This has to stop.

1102
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:32,000
We need you to step up

1103
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:33,000
and if you're going to
take a position of leadership,

1104
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:38,000
show some.

1105
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:43,000
>> After you made this plea to
the president,

1106
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:45,000
did Donald Trump urge his
supporters

1107
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:46,000
to avoid the use of violence?

1108
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:48,000
>> Not to my knowledge.

1109
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:50,000
>> Now, as we know,

1110
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:51,000
the president was
are of your speech

1111
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:53,000
because he tweeted
about it later that day.

1112
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:56,000
(Twitter chime)

1113
00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:59,000
>> The president retweeted a
criticism

1114
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:01,000
of Gabriel Sterling's
press conference.

1115
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:04,000
So the president was aware that
there were threats of violence,

1116
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:07,000
and he persisted in the Big Lie.

1117
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:10,000
>> You have Gabriel Sterling
saying, "People will die."

1118
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:15,000
This was the warning and
Donald Trump was unmoved by it.

1119
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:18,000
Was there any sort of a sense

1120
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:20,000
that maybe we ought to dial
down the rhetoric,

1121
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:21,000
that maybe this is getting out
of hand,

1122
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:25,000
maybe this is dangerous? No.

1123
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:27,000
>> Gabriel Sterling's warning
that someone could get killed,

1124
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:30,000
I think that still remains true
today.

1125
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:31,000
Because you still have

1126
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:33,000
the president targeting judges

1127
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:37,000
and law clerks and witnesses.

1128
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:39,000
And I think it is remarkable

1129
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:41,000
that no one has been
physically hurt.

1130
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:46,000
But I think time will tell
whether something does happen.

1131
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:55,000
(sirens wailing, horns honking)

1132
00:52:57,000 --> 00:52:58,000
>> The committee plans to reveal
even more evidence

1133
00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:01,000
former President Trump pressured
state officials

1134
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:04,000
to overturn the
results of the 2020 election.

1135
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:07,000
>> NARRATOR: Rusty Bowers,
the Speaker of the Arizona House

1136
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:09,000
and lifelong Republican,

1137
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:11,000
was a crucial witness to Trump's
campaign

1138
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:13,000
of pressure on local officials.

1139
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:15,000
>> Arizona House Speaker Rusty
Bowers testifying today

1140
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:17,000
he received numerous calls

1141
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:20,000
asking him to decertify
the Arizona electors.

1142
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:22,000
>> NARRATOR: Bowers would
testify

1143
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:26,000
about his private conversations
with the president.

1144
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:28,000
>> Going in the room, we walked
down through the hall,

1145
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:33,000
and there's lots of people in
the hallways, and then guards,

1146
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:36,000
and then there's a doorway,
and, you know, I'm thinking,

1147
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:38,000
"Okay, how big is this room?"

1148
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:41,000
And then I walk in the room

1149
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:44,000
and I'm thinking, "Oh, my word.

1150
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:47,000
(cameras clicking)

1151
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:52,000
This is one big room."
(laughs)

1152
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:59,000
I'm like, "Wow."

1153
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:02,000
And there's ten million
photographers

1154
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:04,000
all jammed together,

1155
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:08,000
jostling in front of us.

1156
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:11,000
And I'm trying to maintain
composure

1157
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:14,000
and not run screaming
off down the Mall,

1158
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:18,000
down towards
the Lincoln Memorial.

1159
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:20,000
But I saw Liz Cheney

1160
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:22,000
and she was looking at me

1161
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:26,000
and that kind of calmed me down.

1162
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:28,000
(gavel bangs)

1163
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:30,000
>> I now welcome Rusty Bowers,

1164
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:33,000
a distinguished legislator
from Arizona.

1165
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:38,000
Speaker Bowers, thank you
for being with us today.

1166
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:40,000
>> This is a loyal,
lifelong Republican.

1167
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:44,000
He's a conservative who fought
to get Trump reelected.

1168
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:48,000
>> Arizona House Speaker Rusty
Bowers, come on up here!

1169
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:50,000
(cheers and applause)

1170
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:52,000
>> Rusty Bowers is a
compelling person.

1171
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:56,000
It's hard to talk to him
and not believe him.

1172
00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:58,000
And the stories that he told

1173
00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:00,000
about his direct communications
with the president

1174
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:04,000
were just so indicative
and so powerful

1175
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:06,000
that he was kind of an obvious
choice, frankly,

1176
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:11,000
for somebody that America needed
to hear from directly.

1177
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:12,000
>> After the election,

1178
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:13,000
you received a phone call
from President Trump

1179
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:17,000
and Rudy Giuliani, in
which they discussed the result

1180
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:19,000
of the presidential election
in Arizona.

1181
00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:24,000
If you would,
tell us about that call.

1182
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:27,000
>> Mr... the president initially
laid out

1183
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:32,000
the broad claim
of fraud across the country--

1184
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:35,000
named different states,
including my own.

1185
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:39,000
>> What was the ask during
this call?

1186
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:41,000
He was making these
allegations of fraud,

1187
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:43,000
but he had something, or a
couple things,

1188
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:46,000
that they wanted you to do--
what were those?

1189
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:48,000
>> They said, "Well, we have
heard

1190
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:53,000
"via an official high up
in the Republican Legislature,

1191
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:59,000
"that there is a legal theory,
or a legal ability in Arizona,

1192
00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:03,000
"that you can remove the, um,

1193
00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:08,000
electors of President Biden
and replace them."

1194
00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:13,000
(chuckles)
Well... for them to say to me,

1195
00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:15,000
"Yeah, we just want you to throw
out those electors

1196
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:17,000
and put in Trump's."

1197
00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:20,000
I'm thinking, "Have, have I gone
to another planet?"

1198
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:24,000
I mean, it's like, what?
I'm not gonna do that!"

1199
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:27,000
I mean, I wanted him to win,
okay, so what?

1200
00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:29,000
I'm not gonna cheat,
I'm not gonna cheat to win.

1201
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:31,000
What, what's that?

1202
00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:33,000
I flat out, flat out said,

1203
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:36,000
"You're asking me to break my
oath.

1204
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:41,000
"I swore an oath--
I'm not gonna break it, period.

1205
00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:44,000
Not gonna break it."

1206
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:47,000
I said, "Well,
if you're talking this,

1207
00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:48,000
I gotta have the proof."

1208
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:50,000
I said, "Rudy,

1209
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:52,000
do you have the names of the
dead people who voted?"

1210
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:54,000
He goes, "Yes."

1211
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:56,000
"And do you have the names

1212
00:56:56,000 --> 00:57:00,000
of the 200,000 illegals
who voted in our election?"

1213
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:02,000
"Yes."

1214
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:04,000
I said, "I want those names."

1215
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:07,000
And the presidensays, "Rudy,
give the man what he wants,

1216
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:08,000
give him what he wants."

1217
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:10,000
He says, "Yeah,
we've got them, Mr. President,

1218
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:12,000
and I'll get them to him."

1219
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:14,000
>> NARRATOR: In the criminal
indictment,

1220
00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:17,000
Jack Smith saw the
call as evidence of a crime.

1221
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:20,000
>> "The Defendant and
Co-Conspirator 1

1222
00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:23,000
"asked the Arizona House Speaker
to use the legislature

1223
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:25,000
"to circumvent the process
by which

1224
00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:27,000
legitimate electors would
be ascertained."

1225
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:30,000
>> If you are calling a state
official,

1226
00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:34,000
and you're asking them
to nullify lawful votes,

1227
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:36,000
and to replace them with
unlawful votes,

1228
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:40,000
that is squarely within federal
statutes

1229
00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:43,000
regulating election conspiracy.

1230
00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:44,000
>> NARRATOR: Not long after
the call,

1231
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:49,000
Rudy Giuliani himself
arrived in Arizona.

1232
00:57:49,000 --> 00:57:52,000
>> Did you meet with
Mr. Giuliani and his associates

1233
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:53,000
while they were in Phoenix?

1234
00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:55,000
>> Yes, I did, sir.

1235
00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:57,000
There was a row of people and--

1236
00:57:57,000 --> 00:58:02,000
Giuliani and Jenna Ellis,
I recognized them.

1237
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:04,000
And I sat down
on the opposite side.

1238
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:07,000
And I just said,
"Did you bring me the proof?"

1239
00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:09,000
And he said, "What?"

1240
00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:11,000
I said,
"Do you remember our phone call

1241
00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:14,000
when you said you were going
to bring me the proof?"

1242
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:17,000
And he said, "Oh, yeah."

1243
00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:19,000
I said, "Did you bring it?"

1244
00:58:19,000 --> 00:58:21,000
And he looked-- turned to
Jenna Ellis,

1245
00:58:21,000 --> 00:58:24,000
and he says,
"Do you have the proof?"

1246
00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:26,000
And she said, "Yeah."

1247
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:29,000
"Well, can we see it?"

1248
00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:31,000
She leans over and fumbles
through her briefcase

1249
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:33,000
and says, "Oh no,
I don't have it here--

1250
00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:37,000
must be at the hotel room."

1251
00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:38,000
>> This meeting or at any other
later time,

1252
00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:40,000
did anyone provide you

1253
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:42,000
with evidence of election fraud
sufficient

1254
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:44,000
to affect the outcome

1255
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:45,000
of the presidential election in
Arizona?

1256
00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:50,000
>> No one provided me,
ever, such evidence.

1257
00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:55,000
(interview): Giuliani was kind
of frustrated with us all

1258
00:58:55,000 --> 00:58:57,000
and he said, "You know we've got
a lot of theories,

1259
00:58:57,000 --> 00:59:01,000
we just don't
have the evidence."

1260
00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:04,000
(chuckles) And I, when I heard
him say that, I,

1261
00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:08,000
I said...

1262
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:10,000
"Did he just say
what I thought he said?"

1263
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:12,000
(laughs)

1264
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:14,000
And they all looked at me, like,
the same thing on their mind,

1265
00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:17,000
like, "Whoa!"
(laughs)

1266
00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:19,000
You know, that,
"Yeah, he just said that!"

1267
00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:22,000
That was like
a rocket's red glare moment.

1268
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:23,000
Like, wow!
(laughs)

1269
00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:27,000
That's... you gotta be kidding,
this is like a,

1270
00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:30,000
this is the clown show--
they're out hunting,

1271
00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:31,000
they're trying to find
something,

1272
00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:34,000
and, and they're wanting us
to participate in this,

1273
00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:37,000
and, and he says that?

1274
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:42,000
Holy moly, we can't do this
stuff, you know, it's like...

1275
00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:44,000
>> NARRATOR: Rudy Giuliani
refused to answer questions

1276
00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:48,000
from the committee about his
conversations with Bowers.

1277
00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:52,000
Trump attorney Jenna Ellis
also refused.

1278
00:59:52,000 --> 00:59:54,000
For the January 6th committee,

1279
00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:58,000
that meeting with Bowers
was a bombshell revelation.

1280
00:59:58,000 --> 01:00:00,000
>> "We have a lot of theories,
but we don't have any evidence."

1281
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:02,000
That shows that

1282
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:05,000
none of this had to do with
evidence or reality, right?

1283
01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:07,000
This is all about just making
stuff up

1284
01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:09,000
in order to justify keeping
Trump in power.

1285
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:13,000
>> NARRATOR: The phrase Giuliani
uttered would become iconic

1286
01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:17,000
and Giuliani a central figure in
Trump's indictment:

1287
01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:20,000
listed as
Co- Conspirator mber 1.

1288
01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:23,000
>> "Co-Conspirator 1 responded
with words to the effect of,

1289
01:00:23,000 --> 01:00:28,000
'We don't have the evidence,
but we have lots of theories.'"

1290
01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:31,000
>> It shows Rudy Giuliani
admitting

1291
01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:33,000
that there's no evidence

1292
01:00:33,000 --> 01:00:34,000
for the theories they had,

1293
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:36,000
that these are just talking
points,

1294
01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:38,000
not backed with any fact.

1295
01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:43,000
And that's exactly the theory
of the government.

1296
01:00:43,000 --> 01:00:45,000
>> During the conversation,
did he bring up the fact

1297
01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:48,000
that you shared a similar party?

1298
01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:51,000
>> He would say, "Aren't we all
Republicans here?

1299
01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:53,000
"I would think we would
get a better reception,

1300
01:00:53,000 --> 01:00:56,000
"I mean, I would think you would
listen a little more open

1301
01:00:56,000 --> 01:01:01,000
to my suggestions--
we're all Republicans."

1302
01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:04,000
For someone to ask me

1303
01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:08,000
to deny my oath and just let the
courts figure it out,

1304
01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:13,000
or let somebody else,
punt it to someone else,

1305
01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:18,000
is not something I will do.

1306
01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:21,000
>> What you have to understand
here is that Rusty Bowers,

1307
01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:23,000
this guy who worked for Trump,

1308
01:01:23,000 --> 01:01:25,000
wanted Trump to be reelected in
Arizona,

1309
01:01:25,000 --> 01:01:27,000
worked for Trump's reelection
is given a choice--

1310
01:01:27,000 --> 01:01:29,000
he can choose between his oath
to the Constitution

1311
01:01:29,000 --> 01:01:31,000
or President Trump.

1312
01:01:31,000 --> 01:01:33,000
And he stays loyal
to the Constitution.

1313
01:01:33,000 --> 01:01:36,000
That is, in effect, what...
the choice that he's given.

1314
01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:38,000
>> Even in the past
when there have been...

1315
01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:41,000
>> Rusty Bowers speaks with a
moral and legal clarity

1316
01:01:41,000 --> 01:01:43,000
that's very necessary
to understand.

1317
01:01:43,000 --> 01:01:46,000
>> We choose to follow the
outcome

1318
01:01:46,000 --> 01:01:47,000
of the will of the people.

1319
01:01:47,000 --> 01:01:52,000
It's, it's my oath.

1320
01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:56,000
And, and I hope that
I'll never break that.

1321
01:01:56,000 --> 01:01:58,000
I know I'm not, you know,
I'm not perfect.

1322
01:01:58,000 --> 01:02:01,000
I'm certainly not
a perfect witness.

1323
01:02:01,000 --> 01:02:04,000
But I am a witness.

1324
01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:09,000
And, uh...

1325
01:02:09,000 --> 01:02:12,000
I had my say.

1326
01:02:12,000 --> 01:02:14,000
And I wasn't trying to flower
it up,

1327
01:02:14,000 --> 01:02:17,000
I wasn't trying to be

1328
01:02:17,000 --> 01:02:20,000
anything other than just Rusty.

1329
01:02:20,000 --> 01:02:25,000
♪ ♪

1330
01:02:27,000 --> 01:02:30,000
>> NARRATOR: Rusty Bowers
is now a key witness

1331
01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:32,000
on a central charge of the
indictment.

1332
01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:34,000
>> "The Defendant
and his co-conspirators

1333
01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:37,000
"executed a strategy to use
knowing deceit

1334
01:02:37,000 --> 01:02:40,000
"in the targeted states to
impair, obstruct

1335
01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:43,000
and defeat the
federal government function."

1336
01:02:43,000 --> 01:02:45,000
>> NARRATOR: In their filings,

1337
01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:46,000
Trump's lawyers have
argued

1338
01:02:46,000 --> 01:02:49,000
he is immune from prosecution

1339
01:02:49,000 --> 01:02:50,000
because was doing his job
as president

1340
01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:54,000
when he worked to change the
election results.

1341
01:02:54,000 --> 01:02:56,000
>> "The indictment is
based entirely

1342
01:02:56,000 --> 01:02:58,000
"on alleged actions within the
heartland

1343
01:02:58,000 --> 01:02:59,000
"of President Trump's
official duties,

1344
01:02:59,000 --> 01:03:01,000
"or at the very least,

1345
01:03:01,000 --> 01:03:05,000
within the 'outer perimeter'
of his official duties."

1346
01:03:05,000 --> 01:03:07,000
>> The former president has a
motion claiming

1347
01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:12,000
that he is immune
from criminal process

1348
01:03:12,000 --> 01:03:16,000
with regard to these charges
which involve his official acts

1349
01:03:16,000 --> 01:03:19,000
as president
of the United States.

1350
01:03:19,000 --> 01:03:21,000
>> "As President Trump is
absolutely immune

1351
01:03:21,000 --> 01:03:23,000
"from criminal prosecution for
such acts,

1352
01:03:23,000 --> 01:03:25,000
the Court should
dismiss the indictment."

1353
01:03:25,000 --> 01:03:27,000
>> Donald Trump's legal team

1354
01:03:27,000 --> 01:03:28,000
suggesting that even a
president

1355
01:03:28,000 --> 01:03:31,000
who had a political rival
assassinated

1356
01:03:31,000 --> 01:03:36,000
could still be immune
from criminal prosecution.

1357
01:03:36,000 --> 01:03:39,000
>> NARRATOR: The federal judge
presiding over the case

1358
01:03:39,000 --> 01:03:42,000
has already rejected Trump's
immunity claims,

1359
01:03:42,000 --> 01:03:46,000
saying a president is not
entitled to a life-long,

1360
01:03:46,000 --> 01:03:48,000
get-out-of-jail-free pass.

1361
01:03:48,000 --> 01:03:50,000
>> The questions being
raised right now

1362
01:03:50,000 --> 01:03:52,000
regarding presidential
immunity,

1363
01:03:52,000 --> 01:03:56,000
are absolutely key
to the very foundation,

1364
01:03:56,000 --> 01:04:01,000
the very philosophical
foundation of this republic.

1365
01:04:01,000 --> 01:04:02,000
Because if you take
an oath of office

1366
01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:04,000
in the United States of America,

1367
01:04:04,000 --> 01:04:09,000
you're swearing an oath
to our system of government.

1368
01:04:09,000 --> 01:04:11,000
And so, if a president

1369
01:04:11,000 --> 01:04:14,000
is not subject to that system of
government,

1370
01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:15,000
if he's not subject
to that code of laws,

1371
01:04:15,000 --> 01:04:20,000
we don't have quite the republic
that we thought we had.

1372
01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:22,000
(siren wailing)

1373
01:04:22,000 --> 01:04:24,000
>> NARRATOR: An appeals court is
now considering

1374
01:04:24,000 --> 01:04:26,000
the question of immunity.

1375
01:04:26,000 --> 01:04:29,000
Whatever the decision,
both sides could appeal

1376
01:04:29,000 --> 01:04:34,000
to the United States
Supreme Court.

1377
01:04:39,000 --> 01:04:44,000
(indistinct chatter)

1378
01:04:44,000 --> 01:04:47,000
♪ ♪

1379
01:04:47,000 --> 01:04:48,000
The committee's
investigation kept bringing them

1380
01:04:48,000 --> 01:04:51,000
back to what happened in
Georgia.

1381
01:04:51,000 --> 01:04:52,000
(laughter)

1382
01:04:52,000 --> 01:04:54,000
>> Mr. Giuliani, what are you
doing here in Georgia?

1383
01:04:54,000 --> 01:04:55,000
>> You'll see.

1384
01:04:55,000 --> 01:04:57,000
>> NARRATOR: Giuliani was there

1385
01:04:57,000 --> 01:05:00,000
to make his case to the
Republican state legislature.

1386
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:02,000
>> Bless you, too.
>> Don't give up.

1387
01:05:02,000 --> 01:05:04,000
>> Oh, I'm not giving up.
>> Never, never give up.

1388
01:05:04,000 --> 01:05:05,000
>> Nope.

1389
01:05:05,000 --> 01:05:09,000
>> He was very jovial,
I have to tell you.

1390
01:05:09,000 --> 01:05:11,000
I think he had gotten

1391
01:05:11,000 --> 01:05:14,000
basically a king's
welcome by all the Republicans.

1392
01:05:14,000 --> 01:05:15,000
(cameras clicking)

1393
01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:19,000
It was like, you know, he was
their superstar or whatever.

1394
01:05:19,000 --> 01:05:21,000
(man laughs)

1395
01:05:21,000 --> 01:05:23,000
They all wanted pictures
with him.

1396
01:05:23,000 --> 01:05:25,000
They were all so impressed
with him

1397
01:05:25,000 --> 01:05:27,000
and couldn't believe that
he was there.

1398
01:05:27,000 --> 01:05:31,000
Um, very obsequious.

1399
01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:33,000
(cheers and applause)

1400
01:05:33,000 --> 01:05:35,000
>> We appreciate you, Rudy.
We love you, Rudy!

1401
01:05:35,000 --> 01:05:37,000
>> NARRATOR: Giuliani and others
from Trump's team

1402
01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:40,000
had come with
a conspiracy theory:

1403
01:05:40,000 --> 01:05:45,000
election workers were counting
suitcases of illegal ballots.

1404
01:05:45,000 --> 01:05:46,000
>> Tha you, Mr. Chairman.
>> Thank you-- Senator Jordan?

1405
01:05:46,000 --> 01:05:48,000
>> Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

1406
01:05:48,000 --> 01:05:51,000
>> NARRATOR: Jen Jordan,
a Democratic state senator,

1407
01:05:51,000 --> 01:05:53,000
was in the room with Giuliani,

1408
01:05:53,000 --> 01:05:56,000
Jenna Ellis,
and Trump's other lawyers.

1409
01:05:56,000 --> 01:06:00,000
>> They are going to pull
ballots out

1410
01:06:00,000 --> 01:06:02,000
from underneath a table.

1411
01:06:02,000 --> 01:06:04,000
Watch this table.

1412
01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:07,000
>> You had the woman
who was narrating.

1413
01:06:07,000 --> 01:06:10,000
>> This table, the black one,
was placed there

1414
01:06:10,000 --> 01:06:13,000
by the lady
with the blonde braids.

1415
01:06:13,000 --> 01:06:15,000
>> And saying,
"You see this woman here?

1416
01:06:15,000 --> 01:06:17,000
You see her here?"

1417
01:06:17,000 --> 01:06:19,000
>> At about 8:00 in the morning,

1418
01:06:19,000 --> 01:06:21,000
we're going to roll this back
and show it to you--

1419
01:06:21,000 --> 01:06:23,000
there you go--
so now they're going to start

1420
01:06:23,000 --> 01:06:25,000
pulling these ballots out
from under this table.

1421
01:06:25,000 --> 01:06:28,000
I don't know the name of the
lady in the blonde braids,

1422
01:06:28,000 --> 01:06:32,000
but one of them had the name
Ruby across her shirt somewhere.

1423
01:06:32,000 --> 01:06:36,000
>> "She's taking the ballots o,

1424
01:06:36,000 --> 01:06:38,000
filling them in or she's
stealing these ballots."

1425
01:06:38,000 --> 01:06:41,000
>> NARRATOR: It was an
allegation

1426
01:06:41,000 --> 01:06:43,000
Trump personally amplified.

1427
01:06:43,000 --> 01:06:46,000
>> There's even security camera
footage from Georgia

1428
01:06:46,000 --> 01:06:50,000
that shows officials telling
poll watchers to leave the room

1429
01:06:50,000 --> 01:06:52,000
before pulling suitcases
of ballots

1430
01:06:52,000 --> 01:06:57,000
out from under the tables and
continuing to count for hours.

1431
01:06:58,000 --> 01:07:00,000
>> They kept on recycling
these things.

1432
01:07:00,000 --> 01:07:04,000
>> The footage appears to show
poll workers

1433
01:07:04,000 --> 01:07:06,000
>> It's like playing
outwhack-a-mole....

1434
01:07:06,000 --> 01:07:07,000
>> Yeah, how about
those suitcases

1435
01:07:07,000 --> 01:07:09,000
that were pulled out
from the table in Georgia.

1436
01:07:09,000 --> 01:07:11,000
>> Looking at ballots, they're
finding them under the tables.

1437
01:07:11,000 --> 01:07:13,000
I mean, this is like
a banana republic.

1438
01:07:13,000 --> 01:07:16,000
>> NARRATOR: But the full
surveillance video didn't show

1439
01:07:16,000 --> 01:07:19,000
what Trump and Giuliani claimed.

1440
01:07:19,000 --> 01:07:20,000
>> The magic suitcases,

1441
01:07:20,000 --> 01:07:21,000
which were really just ballot
carriers

1442
01:07:21,000 --> 01:07:23,000
that had been put under the
table about an hour earlier

1443
01:07:23,000 --> 01:07:24,000
and they were placed under
there

1444
01:07:24,000 --> 01:07:26,000
with the monitors
and the press in the room.

1445
01:07:26,000 --> 01:07:29,000
>> NARRATOR: A day after
Giuliani's presentation,

1446
01:07:29,000 --> 01:07:31,000
the video aired on local TV.

1447
01:07:31,000 --> 01:07:33,000
Their claims were debunked.

1448
01:07:33,000 --> 01:07:35,000
>> This is the short section
of the video

1449
01:07:35,000 --> 01:07:37,000
the Trump team has shared.

1450
01:07:37,000 --> 01:07:39,000
It's not suitcases being pulled
from under that table,

1451
01:07:39,000 --> 01:07:42,000
but official sealed ballot
containers.

1452
01:07:42,000 --> 01:07:45,000
If we go back in the video
to hours before,

1453
01:07:45,000 --> 01:07:47,000
you can see that table being
brought into the room

1454
01:07:47,000 --> 01:07:48,000
at 8:22 a.m.

1455
01:07:48,000 --> 01:07:50,000
Nothing underneath,
no hidden suitcases.

1456
01:07:50,000 --> 01:07:53,000
As ballots that have been
opened, but not counted,

1457
01:07:53,000 --> 01:07:55,000
are placed in the boxes,
sealed up

1458
01:07:55,000 --> 01:07:57,000
and stored under the table.

1459
01:07:57,000 --> 01:07:58,000
>> No magical appearing ballots.

1460
01:07:58,000 --> 01:07:59,000
These were ballots that were
processed

1461
01:07:59,000 --> 01:08:01,000
in front of the monitors,

1462
01:08:01,000 --> 01:08:02,000
put in the boxes in front
of the monitors

1463
01:08:02,000 --> 01:08:03,000
and placed there in front
of the monitors.

1464
01:08:03,000 --> 01:08:06,000
And I, I'll go to my deathbed,

1465
01:08:06,000 --> 01:08:08,000
knowing that they knowingly
lied.

1466
01:08:08,000 --> 01:08:09,000
They looked in the state
senators' eyes,

1467
01:08:09,000 --> 01:08:10,000
the people of Georgia,

1468
01:08:10,000 --> 01:08:12,000
the people of America
and lied to them about this,

1469
01:08:12,000 --> 01:08:13,000
and knew they were lying,

1470
01:08:13,000 --> 01:08:15,000
to try to keep this charade
going on

1471
01:08:15,000 --> 01:08:18,000
that there was fraud in Georgia.

1472
01:08:18,000 --> 01:08:21,000
>> NARRATOR: But the conspiracy
theories continued.

1473
01:08:21,000 --> 01:08:23,000
>> This is not a conspiracy
theory,

1474
01:08:23,000 --> 01:08:25,000
those are legitimate questions.

1475
01:08:25,000 --> 01:08:28,000
>> I think the woman in charge
here is named Rubyreeman,

1476
01:08:28,000 --> 01:08:30,000
and I think her daughter
Shay Freeman Moss,

1477
01:08:30,000 --> 01:08:32,000
either was helping here
or helping her earlier.

1478
01:08:32,000 --> 01:08:35,000
>> NARRATOR: Giuliani had caed
out by name

1479
01:08:35,000 --> 01:08:37,000
two election workers--

1480
01:08:37,000 --> 01:08:40,000
Shaye Moss and Ruby Freeman.

1481
01:08:40,000 --> 01:08:43,000
>> After pulling out hidden
boxes stuffed with ballots,

1482
01:08:43,000 --> 01:08:46,000
Ruby Freeman, as seen here in
this video,

1483
01:08:46,000 --> 01:08:48,000
repeatedly scanned the same
batch of ballots

1484
01:08:48,000 --> 01:08:50,000
at least three times.

1485
01:08:50,000 --> 01:08:53,000
>> NARRATOR: Like the claim
about suitcases of ballots,

1486
01:08:53,000 --> 01:08:54,000
it wasn't true.

1487
01:08:54,000 --> 01:08:56,000
>> The secondary part of that
was,

1488
01:08:56,000 --> 01:08:58,000
"They were scanning multiple
times, multiple times."

1489
01:08:58,000 --> 01:09:01,000
And a standard operating
procedure is,

1490
01:09:01,000 --> 01:09:02,000
if there's a mis-scan,

1491
01:09:02,000 --> 01:09:04,000
you delete that batch and
straighten it up like you do.

1492
01:09:04,000 --> 01:09:07,000
And then run it through again--
and that's what they were doing.

1493
01:09:07,000 --> 01:09:09,000
And the reason we know that's
the case is because

1494
01:09:09,000 --> 01:09:11,000
we had a hand tally that showed

1495
01:09:11,000 --> 01:09:13,000
the number of ballots
matched what was counted.

1496
01:09:13,000 --> 01:09:18,000
So we know
that they didn't do that.

1497
01:09:19,000 --> 01:09:24,000
>> I now welcome
Andrea "Shaye" Moss.

1498
01:09:24,000 --> 01:09:28,000
In December 2020,
Miss Moss and her mother,

1499
01:09:28,000 --> 01:09:31,000
Ms. Ruby Freeman became the
target...

1500
01:09:31,000 --> 01:09:33,000
>> People say, "You know,

1501
01:09:33,000 --> 01:09:36,000
I know somebody just like

1502
01:09:36,000 --> 01:09:37,000
those two ladies in my community

1503
01:09:37,000 --> 01:09:39,000
who work elections."

1504
01:09:39,000 --> 01:09:44,000
And they're just
everyday people.

1505
01:09:44,000 --> 01:09:46,000
To have them as a witness

1506
01:09:46,000 --> 01:09:50,000
for our committee,
I think, was very powerful.

1507
01:09:50,000 --> 01:09:51,000
I understand that you are here

1508
01:09:51,000 --> 01:09:54,000
along with your mother today.

1509
01:09:54,000 --> 01:09:59,000
Uh, would you like to introduce
your momma?

1510
01:10:02,000 --> 01:10:06,000
Hi, Ma.
(chuckles)

1511
01:10:06,000 --> 01:10:08,000
>> Well, I know the events that
we're here to talk about today

1512
01:10:08,000 --> 01:10:12,000
are incrediblyifficult
to relive.

1513
01:10:12,000 --> 01:10:14,000
I'd like to show you some of
the statements

1514
01:10:14,000 --> 01:10:15,000
that Rudy Giuliani made

1515
01:10:15,000 --> 01:10:18,000
a week after that video clip
from State Farm Arena

1516
01:10:18,000 --> 01:10:20,000
was first circulated

1517
01:10:20,000 --> 01:10:23,000
by Mr. Giuliani
and President Trump.

1518
01:10:23,000 --> 01:10:25,000
I want to advise viewers that
these statements

1519
01:10:25,000 --> 01:10:29,000
are completely false
and also deeply disturbing.

1520
01:10:29,000 --> 01:10:32,000
>> Tape earlier in the day

1521
01:10:32,000 --> 01:10:34,000
of Ruby Freeman
and Shaye Freeman Moss

1522
01:10:34,000 --> 01:10:36,000
and one other gentleman quite
obviously,

1523
01:10:36,000 --> 01:10:40,000
surreptitiously,
passing around USB ports

1524
01:10:40,000 --> 01:10:43,000
as if they're vials
of heroin or cocaine.

1525
01:10:43,000 --> 01:10:45,000
>> He sounded a lot
more despera.

1526
01:10:45,000 --> 01:10:49,000
Quite frankly,
he seemed more unhinged.

1527
01:10:49,000 --> 01:10:53,000
He made some overtly
racist comments.

1528
01:10:53,000 --> 01:10:56,000
>> They look like
they're passing out dope,

1529
01:10:56,000 --> 01:10:58,000
not just ballots.

1530
01:10:58,000 --> 01:11:01,000
It is quite clear
they are stealing votes.

1531
01:11:01,000 --> 01:11:03,000
They're still walking around
Georgia,

1532
01:11:03,000 --> 01:11:05,000
lying.

1533
01:11:05,000 --> 01:11:07,000
They should have been,
they should have been,

1534
01:11:07,000 --> 01:11:10,000
they should have been questioned
already.

1535
01:11:10,000 --> 01:11:13,000
Their places of work, their
homes should've been searched

1536
01:11:13,000 --> 01:11:17,000
for evidence of ballots,
evidence of USB ports,

1537
01:11:17,000 --> 01:11:22,000
for evidence of voter fraud.

1538
01:11:24,000 --> 01:11:25,000
>> NARRATOR: But there was no
evidence

1539
01:11:25,000 --> 01:11:27,000
that they were passing
USB drives.

1540
01:11:27,000 --> 01:11:30,000
>> In one of the videos we just
watched,

1541
01:11:30,000 --> 01:11:31,000
Mr. Giuliani accused you and
your mother

1542
01:11:31,000 --> 01:11:33,000
of passing some sort
of USB drive

1543
01:11:33,000 --> 01:11:35,000
to each other.

1544
01:11:35,000 --> 01:11:37,000
What was your mom actually

1545
01:11:37,000 --> 01:11:39,000
handing you on that video?

1546
01:11:39,000 --> 01:11:43,000
>> A ginger mint.

1547
01:11:43,000 --> 01:11:46,000
>> Passing along a ginger mint
back and forth

1548
01:11:46,000 --> 01:11:51,000
gets spun up into this baseless
theory, not an accident.

1549
01:11:51,000 --> 01:11:53,000
It is meant to stir up
people's anger.

1550
01:11:53,000 --> 01:11:55,000
>> It wasn't just Rudy Giuliani.

1551
01:11:55,000 --> 01:11:57,000
>> And these two Black women

1552
01:11:57,000 --> 01:12:01,000
who are ing their civic duty
are vilified.

1553
01:12:01,000 --> 01:12:04,000
>> It really does end up
ruining people's lives.

1554
01:12:04,000 --> 01:12:07,000
I mean, I can't tell you how
many emails I got

1555
01:12:07,000 --> 01:12:09,000
with respect to Shaye Moss
and Ruby Freeman

1556
01:12:09,000 --> 01:12:14,000
and that they should be
strung up.

1557
01:12:40,000 --> 01:12:42,000
>> Were a lot of these threats

1558
01:12:42,000 --> 01:12:45,000
and vile comments racist in
nature?

1559
01:12:45,000 --> 01:12:50,000
>> A lot of them were racist,
a lot of them were just hateful.

1560
01:12:50,000 --> 01:12:55,000
A lot of threats, um, wishing
death upon me, um...

1561
01:12:57,000 --> 01:13:01,000
Telling me that, you know,
I'll be in jail with my mother

1562
01:13:01,000 --> 01:13:04,000
and saying things like,

1563
01:13:04,000 --> 01:13:09,000
"Be glad it's 2020
and not 1920."

1564
01:13:11,000 --> 01:13:16,000
>> These women, whose lives had
been completely destroyed,

1565
01:13:17,000 --> 01:13:19,000
that's where the story

1566
01:13:19,000 --> 01:13:24,000
about the state pressure ca.

1567
01:13:24,000 --> 01:13:26,000
>> I felt horrible.

1568
01:13:26,000 --> 01:13:29,000
I felt like it was all my
fault,

1569
01:13:29,000 --> 01:13:32,000
like, if I would have never
decided

1570
01:13:32,000 --> 01:13:36,000
to be an elections worker, like,
I could have done

1571
01:13:36,000 --> 01:13:39,000
anything else,
but that's what I decided to do.

1572
01:13:39,000 --> 01:13:44,000
And now people are lying and
spreading rumors and lies

1573
01:13:44,000 --> 01:13:46,000
and attacking my mom.

1574
01:13:46,000 --> 01:13:50,000
I'm her only child.

1575
01:13:50,000 --> 01:13:52,000
I just felt like it was,
it was my fault

1576
01:13:52,000 --> 01:13:56,000
for putting my
family in this situation.

1577
01:13:56,000 --> 01:13:58,000
♪ ♪

1578
01:13:58,000 --> 01:14:01,000
>> There are real-world
consequences

1579
01:14:01,000 --> 01:14:03,000
to lying and attacking

1580
01:14:03,000 --> 01:14:08,000
and demonizing innocent people
in this country.

1581
01:14:08,000 --> 01:14:10,000
And Donald Trump has always
been very heedless

1582
01:14:10,000 --> 01:14:14,000
of the human costs of his lies
and his gaslighting.

1583
01:14:14,000 --> 01:14:19,000
And this is a very painful
example of that.

1584
01:14:20,000 --> 01:14:22,000
>> Ms. Moss, I want to thank you
for coming in to speak with us,

1585
01:14:22,000 --> 01:14:27,000
and to thank you for
your service to our democracy.

1586
01:14:27,000 --> 01:14:29,000
With your permission,

1587
01:14:29,000 --> 01:14:33,000
I would like to give
your mother the last word.

1588
01:14:33,000 --> 01:14:35,000
>> My name is Ruby Freeman.

1589
01:14:35,000 --> 01:14:38,000
I've always believed it

1590
01:14:38,000 --> 01:14:40,000
when God says that He'll
make your name great,

1591
01:14:40,000 --> 01:14:44,000
but this is not
the way it was supposed to be.

1592
01:14:44,000 --> 01:14:46,000
(soft chuckle)

1593
01:14:46,000 --> 01:14:50,000
I built my own business
around that name,

1594
01:14:50,000 --> 01:14:53,000
LaRuby's Unique Treasures,

1595
01:14:53,000 --> 01:14:58,000
a pop-up shop catering
to ladies with unique fashions.

1596
01:14:58,000 --> 01:15:01,000
I wore a shirt
that proudly proclaimed

1597
01:15:01,000 --> 01:15:05,000
that I was
and I am Lady Ruby.

1598
01:15:05,000 --> 01:15:09,000
Actually,
I had that shirt on--

1599
01:15:09,000 --> 01:15:11,000
I had that shirt
in every color.

1600
01:15:11,000 --> 01:15:14,000
I wore that shirt
on Election Day 2020.

1601
01:15:14,000 --> 01:15:17,000
I haven't worn it since,

1602
01:15:17,000 --> 01:15:19,000
and I'll never wear it again.

1603
01:15:19,000 --> 01:15:24,000
Now I won't even introduce
myself by my name anymore.

1604
01:15:26,000 --> 01:15:29,000
There is nowhere I feel safe.

1605
01:15:29,000 --> 01:15:31,000
Nowhere.

1606
01:15:31,000 --> 01:15:35,000
Do you know
how it feels to have

1607
01:15:35,000 --> 01:15:40,000
the president of the United
States to target you?

1608
01:15:40,000 --> 01:15:43,000
The president of the
United States is supposed

1609
01:15:43,000 --> 01:15:46,000
to represent every American.

1610
01:15:46,000 --> 01:15:49,000
Not to target one.

1611
01:15:49,000 --> 01:15:53,000
But he targeted me,
Lady Ruby,

1612
01:15:53,000 --> 01:15:56,000
a small business owner,
a mother,

1613
01:15:56,000 --> 01:15:58,000
a proud American citizen

1614
01:15:58,000 --> 01:16:03,000
who stand up to help
Fulton County run an election

1615
01:16:03,000 --> 01:16:06,000
in the middle of the pandemic.

1616
01:16:06,000 --> 01:16:11,000
♪ ♪

1617
01:16:13,000 --> 01:16:15,000
>> NARRATOR:
Federal prosecutors have cited

1618
01:16:15,000 --> 01:16:18,000
the lies about Freeman and Moss
in their indictment.

1619
01:16:18,000 --> 01:16:22,000
>> "Co-Conspirator 1
orchestrated a presentation

1620
01:16:22,000 --> 01:16:25,000
"to a judiciary subcommittee
of the Georgia state senate,

1621
01:16:25,000 --> 01:16:27,000
"with the intention of
misleading state senators

1622
01:16:27,000 --> 01:16:31,000
into blocking the ascertainment
of legitimate electors."

1623
01:16:31,000 --> 01:16:34,000
>> Breaking news in
Georgis investigation

1624
01:16:34,000 --> 01:16:38,000
into alleged interference in
the 2020 presidential election.

1625
01:16:38,000 --> 01:16:40,000
>> NARRATOR: In Georgia,
prosecutors have ao weighed in

1626
01:16:40,000 --> 01:16:42,000
with their own charges.

1627
01:16:42,000 --> 01:16:43,000
>> "Members of the enterprise,

1628
01:16:43,000 --> 01:16:45,000
"including
several of the defendants,

1629
01:16:45,000 --> 01:16:49,000
"falsely accused Fulton County
election worker Ruby Freeman

1630
01:16:49,000 --> 01:16:53,000
of committing election crimes
in Fulton County, Georgia."

1631
01:16:53,000 --> 01:16:54,000
(flash bulb pops)

1632
01:16:54,000 --> 01:16:55,000
>> NARRATOR:
Trump, Giuliani and others

1633
01:16:55,000 --> 01:16:58,000
have been charged in Georgia
with a host of crimes

1634
01:16:58,000 --> 01:17:02,000
related to their attempts
to overturn the 2020 election.

1635
01:17:02,000 --> 01:17:05,000
While Trump
and Giuliani await trial,

1636
01:17:05,000 --> 01:17:08,000
four of their codefendants
have pled guilty,

1637
01:17:08,000 --> 01:17:11,000
including Jenna Ellis.

1638
01:17:11,000 --> 01:17:13,000
>> If I knew then
what I know now,

1639
01:17:13,000 --> 01:17:16,000
I would have declined
to represent Donald Trump.

1640
01:17:16,000 --> 01:17:19,000
I look back on this whole
experience with deep remorse

1641
01:17:19,000 --> 01:17:21,000
for those failures of mine,
Your Honor.

1642
01:17:21,000 --> 01:17:23,000
>> It's very important that

1643
01:17:23,000 --> 01:17:25,000
Jenna Ellis pled guilty
to criminal charges.

1644
01:17:25,000 --> 01:17:27,000
Because it raises the point
that, "Wait a minute,

1645
01:17:27,000 --> 01:17:30,000
this wasn't a traditional
lawyer-client relationship."

1646
01:17:30,000 --> 01:17:35,000
And so when you have lawyers
pleading guilty to crimes,

1647
01:17:35,000 --> 01:17:37,000
that is broadcasting loudly

1648
01:17:37,000 --> 01:17:42,000
that they were not providing
conventional legal advice.

1649
01:17:42,000 --> 01:17:43,000
>> NARRATOR:
In a separate civil case,

1650
01:17:43,000 --> 01:17:46,000
a federal court ordered
Rudy Giuliani

1651
01:17:46,000 --> 01:17:50,000
to pay $146 million
for defaming Freeman and Moss.

1652
01:17:50,000 --> 01:17:52,000
>> A legal loss for
Rudy Giuliani

1653
01:17:52,000 --> 01:17:53,000
that could cost him millions.

1654
01:17:53,000 --> 01:17:56,000
>> Rudy Giuliani, the
once-respected New York mayor

1655
01:17:56,000 --> 01:17:58,000
and former attorney
for Donald Trump,

1656
01:17:58,000 --> 01:18:00,000
has filed for bankruptcy.

1657
01:18:00,000 --> 01:18:01,000
>> Forced to
declare bankruptcy,

1658
01:18:01,000 --> 01:18:03,000
the latest chapter
in a dramatic fall

1659
01:18:03,000 --> 01:18:08,000
for the man once dubbed
"America's mayor."

1660
01:18:15,000 --> 01:18:18,000
>> NARRATOR: As the
January 6th hearings continued,

1661
01:18:18,000 --> 01:18:22,000
the committee linked the efforts
in Georgia to Trump personally.

1662
01:18:22,000 --> 01:18:23,000
(gavel bangs)

1663
01:18:23,000 --> 01:18:27,000
They had evidence
and a witness.

1664
01:18:27,000 --> 01:18:28,000
>> Brad Raffensperger

1665
01:18:28,000 --> 01:18:31,000
is the 29th Secretary of State
of Georgia,

1666
01:18:31,000 --> 01:18:36,000
serving in this role
since 2019.

1667
01:18:36,000 --> 01:18:37,000
>> My job as secretary of state

1668
01:18:37,000 --> 01:18:42,000
is to make sure we have honest,
fair, and accurate elections.

1669
01:18:43,000 --> 01:18:45,000
>> He's a very strong Christian,

1670
01:18:45,000 --> 01:18:47,000
hand he's very conservative.n,

1671
01:18:47,000 --> 01:18:50,000
He was an engineer.

1672
01:18:50,000 --> 01:18:52,000
Now, being an engineer
allowed him

1673
01:18:52,000 --> 01:18:54,000
to lean into the numbers,
and lean into the data.

1674
01:18:54,000 --> 01:18:57,000
He felt very
comfortable with that,

1675
01:18:57,000 --> 01:19:00,000
which is, you know, a rare thing
for anybody in politics,

1676
01:19:00,000 --> 01:19:02,000
because engineers
are very mathematical,

1677
01:19:02,000 --> 01:19:04,000
very linear, you know,

1678
01:19:04,000 --> 01:19:07,000
not always
the biggest personalities.

1679
01:19:07,000 --> 01:19:10,000
>> I looked at, as the
office osecretary of state,

1680
01:19:10,000 --> 01:19:13,000
as how do we really improve
the process of elections.

1681
01:19:13,000 --> 01:19:17,000
All 159 counties
had new election equipment

1682
01:19:17,000 --> 01:19:19,000
with a verifiable
paper ballot

1683
01:19:19,000 --> 01:19:23,000
ready for
the election of 2020.

1684
01:19:23,000 --> 01:19:25,000
>> NARRATOR: It was
a phone call from the president

1685
01:19:25,000 --> 01:19:28,000
that put Raffensperger
at the center of the hearings.

1686
01:19:28,000 --> 01:19:33,000
(dial tone,
phone dialing out)

1687
01:19:38,000 --> 01:19:39,000
>> That phone call

1688
01:19:39,000 --> 01:19:42,000
is one of the most powerful
piec of evidence

1689
01:19:42,000 --> 01:19:44,000
that's come out of

1690
01:19:44,000 --> 01:19:46,000
this, this post-election period.

1691
01:19:46,000 --> 01:19:49,000
(electronic beeping,
indistinct chatter)

1692
01:19:49,000 --> 01:19:53,000
(connecting tone)

1693
01:19:53,000 --> 01:19:58,000
>> Oh-- uh...

1694
01:19:58,000 --> 01:20:00,000
>> Mark Meadows reached out to

1695
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:02,000
my deputy secretary of state,

1696
01:20:02,000 --> 01:20:05,000
and she called me,
and I told her

1697
01:20:05,000 --> 01:20:07,000
I didn't think
that was a good idea.

1698
01:20:07,000 --> 01:20:10,000
And we were
kind of told that,

1699
01:20:10,000 --> 01:20:12,000
no, we definitely need
to have this conversation.

1700
01:20:12,000 --> 01:20:17,000
(on recording):

1701
01:20:41,000 --> 01:20:44,000
>> It shows how
frantic and desperate

1702
01:20:44,000 --> 01:20:48,000
President Trump had become
by that phone call.

1703
01:20:48,000 --> 01:20:51,000
I think it shows how
his demands

1704
01:20:51,000 --> 01:20:56,000
were fully removed
from any kind of evidence.

1705
01:21:06,000 --> 01:21:09,000
>> I just
listened to him talk.

1706
01:21:09,000 --> 01:21:11,000
I was making some notes.

1707
01:21:11,000 --> 01:21:12,000
"Okay, 5,000.

1708
01:21:12,000 --> 01:21:15,000
Okay, great,"
and I'll respond to that.

1709
01:21:15,000 --> 01:21:18,000
But when I got
an opportunity to,

1710
01:21:18,000 --> 01:21:19,000
you know, speak,

1711
01:21:19,000 --> 01:21:21,000
then I, I just said,
"Well, Mr. President,

1712
01:21:21,000 --> 01:21:24,000
the challenge that you have
is your data is wrong."

1713
01:21:24,000 --> 01:21:29,000
(on recording):

1714
01:21:35,000 --> 01:21:38,000
My job was just
to respond with the facts.

1715
01:21:38,000 --> 01:21:40,000
And if I had
a different set of facts,

1716
01:21:40,000 --> 01:21:43,000
I would have responded
with whatever they were.

1717
01:21:43,000 --> 01:21:46,000
We just... our job was
to give him the true data,

1718
01:21:46,000 --> 01:21:51,000
which I did.

1719
01:22:04,000 --> 01:22:07,000
>> The former president
was pushing

1720
01:22:07,000 --> 01:22:10,000
to see if he could
somehow, you know...

1721
01:22:10,000 --> 01:22:13,000
it would move me
somewhere, someplace.

1722
01:22:13,000 --> 01:22:16,000
Because I think that's been
an effective strategy for him

1723
01:22:16,000 --> 01:22:19,000
over his business career
and political career.

1724
01:22:19,000 --> 01:22:22,000
That people tended to buckle

1725
01:22:22,000 --> 01:22:25,000
instead of stand firm
on their principles.

1726
01:22:25,000 --> 01:22:27,000
>> NARRATOR: In Georgia,

1727
01:22:27,000 --> 01:22:32,000
Trump had lost to Biden
by 11,779 votes.

1728
01:22:49,000 --> 01:22:52,000
>> Trump didn't understand,

1729
01:22:52,000 --> 01:22:54,000
it just doesn't click...
didn't click with him

1730
01:22:54,000 --> 01:22:59,000
that someone
wouldn't just give in.

1731
01:22:59,000 --> 01:23:00,000
It just did not occur to him

1732
01:23:00,000 --> 01:23:03,000
that there was
some higher level of loyalty

1733
01:23:03,000 --> 01:23:08,000
to the law and
the Constitution.

1734
01:23:08,000 --> 01:23:09,000
>> I knew that
we had followed the law,

1735
01:23:09,000 --> 01:23:11,000
we had followed
the Constitution,

1736
01:23:11,000 --> 01:23:14,000
and I think sometimes momentsrp

1737
01:23:14,000 --> 01:23:16,000
and just take the shots.

1738
01:23:16,000 --> 01:23:19,000
You're doing your job,
and that's all we did.

1739
01:23:19,000 --> 01:23:21,000
You know, we just followed
the law

1740
01:23:21,000 --> 01:23:23,000
and we followed the
Constitution,

1741
01:23:23,000 --> 01:23:26,000
and at the end of the day,
President Trump came up short.

1742
01:23:26,000 --> 01:23:29,000
But I had to be faithful to
the Constitution,

1743
01:23:29,000 --> 01:23:32,000
and that's what
I swore an oath to do.

1744
01:23:32,000 --> 01:23:36,000
>> This call becomes critical,
because it's recorded.

1745
01:23:36,000 --> 01:23:38,000
We get to hear in
the president's own voice

1746
01:23:38,000 --> 01:23:40,000
how he's doing it,
what he's doing,

1747
01:23:40,000 --> 01:23:43,000
how he's putting pressure
on these people.

1748
01:23:43,000 --> 01:23:46,000
>> So look,
all I want to do is this.

1749
01:23:46,000 --> 01:23:49,000
I just want to find, uh...

1750
01:23:49,000 --> 01:23:54,000
11,780 votes.

1751
01:23:55,000 --> 01:23:58,000
>> This is a scheme
to overthrow an election.

1752
01:23:58,000 --> 01:24:01,000
He knew the number
that he needed to hit

1753
01:24:01,000 --> 01:24:03,000
to change the outcome
of the election.

1754
01:24:03,000 --> 01:24:05,000
>> NARRATOR:
And Trump accused

1755
01:24:05,000 --> 01:24:07,000
Raffensperger himself
of a crime--

1756
01:24:07,000 --> 01:24:12,000
allowing election fraud.

1757
01:24:20,000 --> 01:24:22,000
>> The president of
the United States

1758
01:24:22,000 --> 01:24:24,000
demanding that
an election official

1759
01:24:24,000 --> 01:24:26,000
find thousands of votes,

1760
01:24:26,000 --> 01:24:28,000
and then strongly implying

1761
01:24:28,000 --> 01:24:29,000
that there would be
criminal sanction

1762
01:24:29,000 --> 01:24:31,000
in the event that
those votes were not found.

1763
01:24:31,000 --> 01:24:36,000
I mean, that is terrible
evidence for the president.

1764
01:24:36,000 --> 01:24:39,000
>> What I knew is that we
didn't have any votes to find.

1765
01:24:39,000 --> 01:24:42,000
We continued to look,
we investigated--

1766
01:24:42,000 --> 01:24:43,000
like I just shared
the numbers with you--

1767
01:24:43,000 --> 01:24:46,000
there were no votes to find.

1768
01:24:46,000 --> 01:24:47,000
>> That call is damning

1769
01:24:47,000 --> 01:24:49,000
and I think
it's going to be damning

1770
01:24:49,000 --> 01:24:50,000
potentially
in front of a jury,

1771
01:24:50,000 --> 01:24:53,000
because juries,
when they can hear

1772
01:24:53,000 --> 01:24:55,000
a defendant's voice on tape,

1773
01:24:55,000 --> 01:24:56,000
when they can hear something

1774
01:24:56,000 --> 01:24:59,000
that is that real
and that visceral,

1775
01:24:59,000 --> 01:25:04,000
it can be incredibly
powerful testimony.

1776
01:25:10,000 --> 01:25:15,000
(call ends)

1777
01:25:15,000 --> 01:25:18,000
>> "The Defendant said that
he needed to 'find'

1778
01:25:18,000 --> 01:25:21,000
11,780 votes."

1779
01:25:21,000 --> 01:25:24,000
>> It shows him
demanding a remedy

1780
01:25:24,000 --> 01:25:26,000
that doesn't make any sense

1781
01:25:26,000 --> 01:25:28,000
in the context
of anything lawful.

1782
01:25:28,000 --> 01:25:29,000
That's just asking,

1783
01:25:29,000 --> 01:25:30,000
"I want to win,

1784
01:25:30,000 --> 01:25:31,000
you've gotta do it."

1785
01:25:31,000 --> 01:25:32,000
I think it's going to be

1786
01:25:32,000 --> 01:25:34,000
a very powerful call

1787
01:25:34,000 --> 01:25:35,000
for that jury.

1788
01:25:35,000 --> 01:25:37,000
>> NARRATOR: For his part,
Trump has defended

1789
01:25:37,000 --> 01:25:39,000
the phone call
with Raffensperger--

1790
01:25:39,000 --> 01:25:42,000
describing it as "perfect."

1791
01:25:42,000 --> 01:25:44,000
>> "A 'perfect' phone call

1792
01:25:44,000 --> 01:25:46,000
"to discuss a
rigged and stolen election,

1793
01:25:46,000 --> 01:25:47,000
"and what to do about it,

1794
01:25:47,000 --> 01:25:50,000
"with many people,
including lawyers d others,

1795
01:25:50,000 --> 01:25:55,000
knowingly on the line."

1796
01:25:57,000 --> 01:26:01,000
♪ ♪

1797
01:26:01,000 --> 01:26:03,000
>> After weeks of trying
to overturn

1798
01:26:03,000 --> 01:26:04,000
the results of the election,

1799
01:26:04,000 --> 01:26:06,000
his legal team has
come up with nothing.

1800
01:26:06,000 --> 01:26:08,000
>> NARRATOR: In the middle of
December 2020...

1801
01:26:08,000 --> 01:26:11,000
>> In the courts,
where evidence gets scrutinized,

1802
01:26:11,000 --> 01:26:14,000
authenticated, and tested,
they're getting hammered.

1803
01:26:14,000 --> 01:26:16,000
>> NARRATOR:
As the president was failing

1804
01:26:16,000 --> 01:26:17,000
in his attempts
to reverse the election...

1805
01:26:17,000 --> 01:26:20,000
>> All but now ending
the president's attempt

1806
01:26:20,000 --> 01:26:22,000
to reverse his election loss.

1807
01:26:22,000 --> 01:26:24,000
>> NARRATOR: A new pse began.

1808
01:26:24,000 --> 01:26:26,000
>> And it comes
as the electoral college

1809
01:26:26,000 --> 01:26:29,000
is set to cast their votes
for president tomorrow.

1810
01:26:29,000 --> 01:26:32,000
>> On December 14, 2020,

1811
01:26:32,000 --> 01:26:35,000
the presidential election
was officially over.

1812
01:26:35,000 --> 01:26:38,000
The electoral college
had cast its vote.

1813
01:26:38,000 --> 01:26:42,000
Joe Biden was the president-
elect of the United States.

1814
01:26:42,000 --> 01:26:45,000
>> The president has
reached the end of the road.

1815
01:26:45,000 --> 01:26:47,000
The electoral college
certified the election.

1816
01:26:47,000 --> 01:26:51,000
His legal team and allies
lost more than 50 challenges.

1817
01:26:51,000 --> 01:26:53,000
>> The cases run their course,

1818
01:26:53,000 --> 01:26:54,000
the electoral college meets,

1819
01:26:54,000 --> 01:26:56,000
people are saying no.

1820
01:26:56,000 --> 01:26:58,000
So he's running out of
options, right?

1821
01:26:58,000 --> 01:27:01,000
The sequence
is increasingly desperate.

1822
01:27:01,000 --> 01:27:04,000
>> On Friday, December 18,
his team of outside advisors

1823
01:27:04,000 --> 01:27:07,000
paid him a surprise visit
in the White Hou

1824
01:27:07,000 --> 01:27:11,000
that would quickly become
the stuff of legend.

1825
01:27:11,000 --> 01:27:13,000
>> This meeting is one of
the most extraordinary meetings

1826
01:27:13,000 --> 01:27:16,000
that ever happened
in that building,

1827
01:27:16,000 --> 01:27:19,000
in more than
200 years of history.

1828
01:27:19,000 --> 01:27:21,000
Here you had a president
of the United States

1829
01:27:21,000 --> 01:27:23,000
who had lost an election,
in the Oval Office,

1830
01:27:23,000 --> 01:27:25,000
being advised by...

1831
01:27:25,000 --> 01:27:30,000
a swarm of colorful characters,
to say the least.

1832
01:27:30,000 --> 01:27:31,000
>> NARRATOR: At the meeting:

1833
01:27:31,000 --> 01:27:34,000
former national security advisor
Michael Flynn

1834
01:27:34,000 --> 01:27:37,000
and attorney Sidney Powell,

1835
01:27:37,000 --> 01:27:39,000
by then both known for

1836
01:27:39,000 --> 01:27:40,000
their embrace
of conspiracy theories

1837
01:27:40,000 --> 01:27:44,000
about the election.

1838
01:27:44,000 --> 01:27:46,000
>> You had people in there

1839
01:27:46,000 --> 01:27:49,000
counseling Donald Trump
that he should

1840
01:27:49,000 --> 01:27:51,000
explicitly order martial law,

1841
01:27:51,000 --> 01:27:56,000
that he should create
a special czar.

1842
01:27:56,000 --> 01:27:59,000
The person they had in mind
for this was Sidney Powell,

1843
01:27:59,000 --> 01:28:02,000
that she should become
the special elections czar

1844
01:28:02,000 --> 01:28:04,000
and be empowered

1845
01:28:04,000 --> 01:28:07,000
to use the machinery
of government itself

1846
01:28:07,000 --> 01:28:10,000
to overturn the election.

1847
01:28:10,000 --> 01:28:12,000
>> NARRATOR: As word
of the meeting spread,

1848
01:28:12,000 --> 01:28:16,000
senior White House lawyers
rushed to the oval office,

1849
01:28:16,000 --> 01:28:21,000
including White House counsel
Pat Cipollone.

1850
01:28:35,000 --> 01:28:37,000
>> President Trump's
close advisors,

1851
01:28:37,000 --> 01:28:40,000
White House Counsel
Pat Cipollone,

1852
01:28:40,000 --> 01:28:43,000
Eric Herschmann,
advisor to the president,

1853
01:28:43,000 --> 01:28:45,000
and others who were in that room

1854
01:28:45,000 --> 01:28:46,000
who were saying
to this group,

1855
01:28:46,000 --> 01:28:49,000
"What evidence do you even have

1856
01:28:49,000 --> 01:28:50,000
that there was fraud
in the election?"

1857
01:28:50,000 --> 01:28:53,000
>> NARRATOR: The White House
lawyers were insistent

1858
01:28:53,000 --> 01:28:55,000
that the psident
shouldn't declare martial law

1859
01:28:55,000 --> 01:28:57,000
to overturn the election

1860
01:28:57,000 --> 01:29:00,000
or empower Sidney Powell.

1861
01:29:00,000 --> 01:29:02,000
>> At times there were pple
shouting at each other,

1862
01:29:02,000 --> 01:29:07,000
hurling insults at each other.

1863
01:29:24,000 --> 01:29:29,000
(chuckles)

1864
01:29:39,000 --> 01:29:41,000
>> The president is
taking all of this in,

1865
01:29:41,000 --> 01:29:43,000
mostly a passive observer
in this meeting,

1866
01:29:43,000 --> 01:29:45,000
but he is watching this
play out.

1867
01:29:45,000 --> 01:29:48,000
His close advisors
telling his lawyers,

1868
01:29:48,000 --> 01:29:51,000
"You have no evidence that
there was fraud in the election.

1869
01:29:51,000 --> 01:29:53,000
"And you've lost every case.

1870
01:29:53,000 --> 01:29:54,000
Every case you brought in
to court, you've lost."

1871
01:29:54,000 --> 01:29:57,000
And Sidney Powell says,
"The judges were corrupt.

1872
01:29:57,000 --> 01:29:59,000
That's why we lost."

1873
01:29:59,000 --> 01:30:01,000
And Eric Herschmann,
supporter,

1874
01:30:01,000 --> 01:30:03,000
close advisor
to the president, says,

1875
01:30:03,000 --> 01:30:04,000
"What are you talking about?

1876
01:30:04,000 --> 01:30:06,000
"Every case?

1877
01:30:06,000 --> 01:30:08,000
"The judges? We appointed
many of those judges.

1878
01:30:08,000 --> 01:30:10,000
"You're saying
they're all corrupt?

1879
01:30:10,000 --> 01:30:11,000
Like you people have nothing,
you're crazy."

1880
01:30:11,000 --> 01:30:13,000
>> I think that it got to
the point

1881
01:30:13,000 --> 01:30:14,000
where the screaming was

1882
01:30:14,000 --> 01:30:18,000
completely,
completely out there.

1883
01:30:18,000 --> 01:30:19,000
I mean, you get people walk in,

1884
01:30:19,000 --> 01:30:20,000
it was late at night,

1885
01:30:20,000 --> 01:30:22,000
it'd been a long day, and...

1886
01:30:22,000 --> 01:30:24,000
what they were proposing,

1887
01:30:24,000 --> 01:30:26,000
I thought was nuts.

1888
01:30:26,000 --> 01:30:28,000
Flynn screamed at me that
I was a quitter and everything,

1889
01:30:28,000 --> 01:30:29,000
kept on standing up
and turning around

1890
01:30:29,000 --> 01:30:30,000
and screaming at me.

1891
01:30:30,000 --> 01:30:33,000
And at a certain point,
I had it with him.

1892
01:30:33,000 --> 01:30:36,000
So I yelled back.

1893
01:30:36,000 --> 01:30:39,000
"Better sit your effing ass
back down."

1894
01:30:39,000 --> 01:30:44,000
>> I'm gonna categorically
describe it as...

1895
01:30:44,000 --> 01:30:47,000
"you guys
are not tough enough."

1896
01:30:47,000 --> 01:30:49,000
Or maybe I put it another way,

1897
01:30:49,000 --> 01:30:50,000
"You're a bunch of pussies."

1898
01:30:50,000 --> 01:30:53,000
Excuse the expression.

1899
01:30:53,000 --> 01:30:55,000
>> At the end of it,
Trump sees that

1900
01:30:55,000 --> 01:30:56,000
there is so much opposition,

1901
01:30:56,000 --> 01:30:59,000
including from
his White House counsel.

1902
01:30:59,000 --> 01:31:03,000
He understands that people
would very likely resign,

1903
01:31:03,000 --> 01:31:06,000
And so, it seems that
he reluctantlyoncludes

1904
01:31:06,000 --> 01:31:10,000
that he's not
going to declare martial law.

1905
01:31:10,000 --> 01:31:13,000
NARRATOR:
Instead, late that night,

1906
01:31:13,000 --> 01:31:15,000
after the meeting had broken up,

1907
01:31:15,000 --> 01:31:19,000
the president turned to Twitter.

1908
01:31:19,000 --> 01:31:22,000
>> "Statistically impossible
to have lost the 2020 election.

1909
01:31:22,000 --> 01:31:25,000
"Big protest in D.C.
on January 6th.

1910
01:31:25,000 --> 01:31:29,000
Be there, will be wild!"
(Twitter chime)

1911
01:31:29,000 --> 01:31:31,000
>> Dissatisfied with
his options,

1912
01:31:31,000 --> 01:31:35,000
Donald Trump decided to
call for a large and wild crowd

1913
01:31:35,000 --> 01:31:37,000
on Wednesday, January 6,

1914
01:31:37,000 --> 01:31:40,000
the day when Congress would meet

1915
01:31:40,000 --> 01:31:44,000
to certify the electoral votes.

1916
01:31:44,000 --> 01:31:47,000
>> While he doesn't actually
go ahead with martial law,

1917
01:31:47,000 --> 01:31:51,000
he is embracing a path that is,
in fact, radical anyway.

1918
01:31:51,000 --> 01:31:53,000
He's not using
the United States miliry,

1919
01:31:53,000 --> 01:31:56,000
but he's summoning his own army
of supporters to Washington,

1920
01:31:56,000 --> 01:31:58,000
some of whom are known
to be extremists,

1921
01:31:58,000 --> 01:32:00,000
and in some cases violent,

1922
01:32:00,000 --> 01:32:03,000
to help him stay in office,

1923
01:32:03,000 --> 01:32:05,000
over the will of the voters.

1924
01:32:05,000 --> 01:32:08,000
>> It's Saturday, December 19.

1925
01:32:08,000 --> 01:32:11,000
And one of the most
historic events

1926
01:32:11,000 --> 01:32:15,000
in American history
has just taken place.

1927
01:32:15,000 --> 01:32:16,000
President Trump,

1928
01:32:16,000 --> 01:32:17,000
in the early
morning hours today,

1929
01:32:17,000 --> 01:32:20,000
tweeted that he wants
the American people

1930
01:32:20,000 --> 01:32:25,000
to march on Washington D.C.
on January 6.

1931
01:32:26,000 --> 01:32:29,000
>> This wildly inflammatory
tweet

1932
01:32:29,000 --> 01:32:32,000
was a bullhorn
that immediately went out to

1933
01:32:32,000 --> 01:32:36,000
some of the more violent,
organized Trump supporters--

1934
01:32:36,000 --> 01:32:38,000
The Oath Keepers.

1935
01:32:38,000 --> 01:32:40,000
>> "He called us all
to the Capitol

1936
01:32:40,000 --> 01:32:42,000
"and wants us to
make it wild.

1937
01:32:42,000 --> 01:32:44,000
"Gentlemen,
we are heading to D.C.

1938
01:32:44,000 --> 01:32:46,000
Pack your (bleep)."

1939
01:32:46,000 --> 01:32:48,000
>> The Proud Boys...

1940
01:32:48,000 --> 01:32:50,000
>> "It's all or nothing,
patriots.

1941
01:32:50,000 --> 01:32:53,000
Boldness and bravery
is necessary."

1942
01:32:53,000 --> 01:32:57,000
>> They heard it as
a message from their leader,

1943
01:32:57,000 --> 01:33:00,000
"Come to Washington."

1944
01:33:00,000 --> 01:33:03,000
>> The "Will be wild!" tweet

1945
01:33:03,000 --> 01:33:06,000
was the call
in a call and response.

1946
01:33:06,000 --> 01:33:08,000
They mobilized to come
to Washington.

1947
01:33:08,000 --> 01:33:09,000
These individuals
came to Washington

1948
01:33:09,000 --> 01:33:11,000
because Donald Trump
told them to be there.

1949
01:33:11,000 --> 01:33:14,000
Because Donald Trump told
them the election was rigged.

1950
01:33:14,000 --> 01:33:16,000
Because Donald Trump
told them

1951
01:33:16,000 --> 01:33:19,000
that someone was trying to take
their votes away from them,

1952
01:33:19,000 --> 01:33:20,000
and silence their voices.

1953
01:33:20,000 --> 01:33:21,000
They believed it.

1954
01:33:21,000 --> 01:33:24,000
>> This could be
Trump's last stand.

1955
01:33:24,000 --> 01:33:27,000
And it's a time when
he has specifically called on

1956
01:33:27,000 --> 01:33:29,000
his supporters to arrive in D.C.

1957
01:33:29,000 --> 01:33:31,000
>> The time for games is over.

1958
01:33:31,000 --> 01:33:33,000
The time for action is now.

1959
01:33:33,000 --> 01:33:36,000
Where were
you when history called?

1960
01:33:36,000 --> 01:33:38,000
Where were you when
you and your children's destiny

1961
01:33:38,000 --> 01:33:43,000
and future was on the line?

1962
01:33:43,000 --> 01:33:46,000
>> NARRATOR:
For prosecutors, that tweet,

1963
01:33:46,000 --> 01:33:48,000
the call to
march on Washington,

1964
01:33:48,000 --> 01:33:53,000
represents a crucial step
in Trump's criminal conspiracy.

1965
01:33:53,000 --> 01:33:56,000
>> Jack Smith's theory is that
that was part of the attempt

1966
01:33:56,000 --> 01:34:00,000
to obstruct the proceedings
on January 6.

1967
01:34:00,000 --> 01:34:03,000
That Trump wanted a large,

1968
01:34:03,000 --> 01:34:06,000
at least boisterous,
if not violent,

1969
01:34:06,000 --> 01:34:10,000
crowd there to interfere
with the proceedings,

1970
01:34:10,000 --> 01:34:12,000
maybe stop them,

1971
01:34:12,000 --> 01:34:14,000
put pressure
on the people there.

1972
01:34:14,000 --> 01:34:17,000
And that was one component
of his obstruction.

1973
01:34:17,000 --> 01:34:20,000
>> "After cultivating widespread
anger and resentment for weeks

1974
01:34:20,000 --> 01:34:23,000
"with his knowingly false claims
of election fraud,

1975
01:34:23,000 --> 01:34:25,000
"the Defendant
urged his supporters

1976
01:34:25,000 --> 01:34:27,000
"to travel to Washington

1977
01:34:27,000 --> 01:34:31,000
on the day of the
certification proceeding."

1978
01:34:31,000 --> 01:34:33,000
>> The special counsel is sort
of situating it as this hinge,

1979
01:34:33,000 --> 01:34:37,000
where things sort of
really start to go wrong.

1980
01:34:37,000 --> 01:34:41,000
That shows that this was
part of a plan.

1981
01:34:41,000 --> 01:34:44,000
And if they can convince
the jury of th,

1982
01:34:44,000 --> 01:34:47,000
that's a huge portion
of the ball game.

1983
01:34:47,000 --> 01:34:49,000
>> NARRATOR: In their filings,

1984
01:34:49,000 --> 01:34:50,000
Trump's attorneys have argued

1985
01:34:50,000 --> 01:34:52,000
that his statements
were protected

1986
01:34:52,000 --> 01:34:53,000
by the First Amendment.

1987
01:34:53,000 --> 01:34:56,000
>> "The indictment therefore
attempts to criminalize

1988
01:34:56,000 --> 01:34:59,000
"core political speech
and political advocacy,

1989
01:34:59,000 --> 01:35:01,000
"which is categorically
impermissible

1990
01:35:01,000 --> 01:35:03,000
under the First Amendment."

1991
01:35:03,000 --> 01:35:05,000
>> There should be room

1992
01:35:05,000 --> 01:35:07,000
under the First Amendment
and otherwise

1993
01:35:07,000 --> 01:35:08,000
for the president
to say an awful lot

1994
01:35:08,000 --> 01:35:11,000
without having to tag him with
a criminal offense.

1995
01:35:11,000 --> 01:35:14,000
And that's why
there's a First Amendment.

1996
01:35:14,000 --> 01:35:18,000
You're given
a big amount of latude

1997
01:35:18,000 --> 01:35:22,000
to say a lot of wild and crazy,
even stupid, things,

1998
01:35:22,000 --> 01:35:25,000
without having to worry about
somebody afterwards

1999
01:35:25,000 --> 01:35:28,000
deciding that you should be
sent to jail for it.

2000
01:35:28,000 --> 01:35:30,000
>> While prosecuting the
president

2001
01:35:30,000 --> 01:35:34,000
in an electoral context is new,

2002
01:35:34,000 --> 01:35:36,000
prosecuting people for
electoral fraud

2003
01:35:36,000 --> 01:35:39,000
is not new at all.

2004
01:35:39,000 --> 01:35:42,000
There are burdens of proof,
there are legal tests,

2005
01:35:42,000 --> 01:35:43,000
there are jury instructions,

2006
01:35:43,000 --> 01:35:45,000
and if you can meet
those elements,

2007
01:35:45,000 --> 01:35:46,000
then you're outside of

2008
01:35:46,000 --> 01:35:48,000
the protection of
the First Amendment.

2009
01:35:48,000 --> 01:35:53,000
This is not
a novel legal theory here.

2010
01:36:00,000 --> 01:36:02,000
(siren wailing)

2011
01:36:02,000 --> 01:36:05,000
>> NARRATOR:
As January 6 approached,

2012
01:36:05,000 --> 01:36:08,000
Trump refocused
his efforts closer to home

2013
01:36:08,000 --> 01:36:11,000
at his own
Department of Justice.

2014
01:36:11,000 --> 01:36:12,000
>> Today, we'll tell the story

2015
01:36:12,000 --> 01:36:14,000
of how the pressure campaign

2016
01:36:14,000 --> 01:36:17,000
also targeted
the federal agency,

2017
01:36:17,000 --> 01:36:20,000
charged with
enforcement of our laws,

2018
01:36:20,000 --> 01:36:23,000
the Department of Justice.

2019
01:36:23,000 --> 01:36:26,000
>> Trump tried to weaponize
the Department of Justice

2020
01:36:26,000 --> 01:36:29,000
against our own democracy.

2021
01:36:29,000 --> 01:36:31,000
Bill Barr is the first one
to stand up and say,

2022
01:36:31,000 --> 01:36:32,000
"No, I'm not
going to do that."

2023
01:36:32,000 --> 01:36:34,000
He steps aside, he resigns.

2024
01:36:34,000 --> 01:36:37,000
And he's replaced by
Jeff Rosen and Richard Donoghue

2025
01:36:37,000 --> 01:36:39,000
as a sort of tag team here.

2026
01:36:39,000 --> 01:36:41,000
(keyboard keys clacking)

2027
01:36:41,000 --> 01:36:43,000
>> NARRATOR: Rosen was
a Republican political appointee

2028
01:36:43,000 --> 01:36:46,000
who had served throughout
Trump's administration.)

2029
01:36:46,000 --> 01:36:49,000
Donoghue, also a Republican,

2030
01:36:49,000 --> 01:36:52,000
had spent much of his career
as a government lawyer--

2031
01:36:52,000 --> 01:36:55,000
in the Army and at
the Department of Justice.

2032
01:36:55,000 --> 01:36:57,000
>> These are folks who were

2033
01:36:57,000 --> 01:36:58,000
appointed by Donald Trump.

2034
01:36:58,000 --> 01:37:03,000
They are aligned with him
politically.

2035
01:37:03,000 --> 01:37:05,000
>> Pretty much every day
after Barr left,

2036
01:37:05,000 --> 01:37:08,000
Trump would call Jeffrey Rosen
at the Justice Department

2037
01:37:08,000 --> 01:37:10,000
or his deputy, Richard Donoghue,

2038
01:37:10,000 --> 01:37:12,000
and try to put pressure on them

2039
01:37:12,000 --> 01:37:15,000
to get the department
to go along with this narrative

2040
01:37:15,000 --> 01:37:16,000
that there
were serious questions

2041
01:37:16,000 --> 01:37:20,000
about the integrity
of the election.

2042
01:37:20,000 --> 01:37:21,000
>> Mr. Donoghue,

2043
01:37:21,000 --> 01:37:23,000
you had a conversation
with the president

2044
01:37:23,000 --> 01:37:26,000
where he raised false claim
after false claim

2045
01:37:26,000 --> 01:37:27,000
with you and Mr. Rosen.

2046
01:37:27,000 --> 01:37:30,000
How did you respond to

2047
01:37:30,000 --> 01:37:33,000
what you called a
"stream of allegations"?

2048
01:37:33,000 --> 01:37:35,000
>> I wanted to try
to cut through the noise,

2049
01:37:35,000 --> 01:37:37,000
because it was clear to us

2050
01:37:37,000 --> 01:37:39,000
that there were a lot of people
whispering in his ear,

2051
01:37:39,000 --> 01:37:41,000
feeding him these conspiracy
theories and allegations,

2052
01:37:41,000 --> 01:37:43,000
As the president
went through them,

2053
01:37:43,000 --> 01:37:45,000
I went piece by piece

2054
01:37:45,000 --> 01:37:48,000
to say, "No, that's false,
that is not true."

2055
01:37:48,000 --> 01:37:51,000
And to correct him, really,
in a serial fashion

2056
01:37:51,000 --> 01:37:53,000
as he moved from
one theory to another.

2057
01:37:53,000 --> 01:37:58,000
>> How did the president
respond to that, sir?

2058
01:37:58,000 --> 01:38:01,000
>> He responded very quickly
and said, essentially,

2059
01:38:01,000 --> 01:38:02,000
"That's not what
I'm asking you to do.

2060
01:38:02,000 --> 01:38:05,000
"What I'm just asking you to do
is just say it was corrupt

2061
01:38:05,000 --> 01:38:10,000
and leave the rest to me and
the Republican congressmen."

2062
01:38:10,000 --> 01:38:12,000
♪ ♪

2063
01:38:12,000 --> 01:38:14,000
>> He's saying,
"Don't care about evidence,

2064
01:38:14,000 --> 01:38:17,000
"don't care about facts,
just say this.

2065
01:38:17,000 --> 01:38:20,000
"And then I'm going to
be able to use that

2066
01:38:20,000 --> 01:38:22,000
"to give people political cover

2067
01:38:22,000 --> 01:38:24,000
"to do what I want them to do,

2068
01:38:24,000 --> 01:38:26,000
which is to overturn the vote."

2069
01:38:26,000 --> 01:38:29,000
>> I-- look,
I think that's a very

2070
01:38:29,000 --> 01:38:33,000
unfortunate statement on the,
on the president's part,

2071
01:38:33,000 --> 01:38:35,000
but it wouldn't
be the first time

2072
01:38:35,000 --> 01:38:37,000
that a president
made a, a conscious decision

2073
01:38:37,000 --> 01:38:40,000
to reject advice
from his legal advisers,

2074
01:38:40,000 --> 01:38:42,000
including
the Department of Justice.

2075
01:38:42,000 --> 01:38:45,000
Is that evidence of
criminal misconduct?

2076
01:38:45,000 --> 01:38:48,000
Could be. Could be.

2077
01:38:48,000 --> 01:38:52,000
But sorting that out
before a fair-minded jury,

2078
01:38:52,000 --> 01:38:54,000
assuming that
there's a fair-minded jury,

2079
01:38:54,000 --> 01:38:56,000
is, I think,
another question.

2080
01:38:56,000 --> 01:38:58,000
>> NARRATOR:
As it became clear

2081
01:38:58,000 --> 01:39:00,000
Rosen and Donoghue
wouldn't go along,

2082
01:39:00,000 --> 01:39:04,000
Trump looked
for someone who would.

2083
01:39:04,000 --> 01:39:06,000
>> Trump turns to this

2084
01:39:06,000 --> 01:39:09,000
mid-level Department of
Justice employee, Jeff Clark,

2085
01:39:09,000 --> 01:39:11,000
and he says, "Let's put him in

2086
01:39:11,000 --> 01:39:16,000
as the acting
attorney general."

2087
01:39:16,000 --> 01:39:20,000
>> He had been
an environmental prosecutor.

2088
01:39:20,000 --> 01:39:23,000
Clark's official role
has nothing to do

2089
01:39:23,000 --> 01:39:25,000
with anything involving
election fraud.

2090
01:39:25,000 --> 01:39:29,000
He had no business at all
being involved in this.

2091
01:39:29,000 --> 01:39:30,000
>> NARRATOR:
Clark drafted a letter

2092
01:39:30,000 --> 01:39:33,000
that would claim publicly that
the department was concerned

2093
01:39:33,000 --> 01:39:36,000
about serious allegations
of election fraud,

2094
01:39:36,000 --> 01:39:41,000
even though his superiors had
said there was no such evidence.

2095
01:39:42,000 --> 01:39:45,000
>> That letter of course
was never sent.

2096
01:39:45,000 --> 01:39:47,000
Clark tried to
push for it to be sent,

2097
01:39:47,000 --> 01:39:49,000
by sort of
attempting to dethrone

2098
01:39:49,000 --> 01:39:52,000
acting attorney general
Jeffery Rosen.

2099
01:39:52,000 --> 01:39:53,000
>> NARRATOR:
According to testimony

2100
01:39:53,000 --> 01:39:55,000
and evidence before
the committee,

2101
01:39:55,000 --> 01:39:58,000
Trump told Clark that
he was going fire Rosen

2102
01:39:58,000 --> 01:40:01,000
and make him
the new attorney general.

2103
01:40:01,000 --> 01:40:04,000
>> Well, Clark makes
an incredibly stupid mistake,

2104
01:40:04,000 --> 01:40:08,000
which is that he tells
Jeffrey Rosen,

2105
01:40:08,000 --> 01:40:10,000
the acting attorney general,

2106
01:40:10,000 --> 01:40:13,000
that he is going to be replaced.

2107
01:40:13,000 --> 01:40:16,000
>> On the--
on Sunday, the third,

2108
01:40:16,000 --> 01:40:18,000
he told me that the president
had offered him the job

2109
01:40:18,000 --> 01:40:20,000
and that he was accepting it.

2110
01:40:20,000 --> 01:40:21,000
>> Clark tells him,

2111
01:40:21,000 --> 01:40:23,000
"Oh yeah,
Trump is going to put me in."

2112
01:40:23,000 --> 01:40:28,000
And he gives notice
to his opponents.

2113
01:40:28,000 --> 01:40:30,000
That's always a huge mistake,

2114
01:40:30,000 --> 01:40:33,000
in Washington or anywhere else.

2115
01:40:33,000 --> 01:40:35,000
>> Well...

2116
01:40:35,000 --> 01:40:37,000
you know, on the one hand,
I wasn't going to accept

2117
01:40:37,000 --> 01:40:39,000
being fired by my subordinate.

2118
01:40:39,000 --> 01:40:41,000
(chuckling):
So, I wanted to talk to the,

2119
01:40:41,000 --> 01:40:43,000
thpresident directly.

2120
01:40:43,000 --> 01:40:45,000
>> And there was another
crazy White House meeting

2121
01:40:45,000 --> 01:40:49,000
where Rosen, Donoghue,

2122
01:40:49,000 --> 01:40:51,000
meet with Clark,

2123
01:40:51,000 --> 01:40:54,000
the president, and
other presidential advisors,

2124
01:40:54,000 --> 01:40:56,000
in the Oval Office, for hours,

2125
01:40:56,000 --> 01:40:59,000
fighting over whether Clark
should be the attorney general.

2126
01:40:59,000 --> 01:41:00,000
>> Jeff Clark was proposing

2127
01:41:00,000 --> 01:41:03,000
that...

2128
01:41:03,000 --> 01:41:08,000
Jeff Rosen being
replaced by Jeff Clark.

2129
01:41:08,000 --> 01:41:12,000
And I thought
the proposal was...

2130
01:41:12,000 --> 01:41:17,000
asinine.

2131
01:41:24,000 --> 01:41:26,000
>> And when he finished

2132
01:41:26,000 --> 01:41:28,000
discussing what
he planned on doing,

2133
01:41:28,000 --> 01:41:30,000
I said "Good...

2134
01:41:30,000 --> 01:41:32,000
"(bleep)"--
excuse me, sorry--

2135
01:41:32,000 --> 01:41:33,000
"effing a-hole.

2136
01:41:33,000 --> 01:41:35,000
"Congratulations, you
just admitted your first step

2137
01:41:35,000 --> 01:41:37,000
"or act you take
as attorney general

2138
01:41:37,000 --> 01:41:40,000
"would be committing a felony
and violating Rule 6(e).

2139
01:41:40,000 --> 01:41:45,000
You're clearly the
right candidate for this job."

2140
01:41:51,000 --> 01:41:52,000
>> Mr. Donoghue,

2141
01:41:52,000 --> 01:41:55,000
did-- did you eventually
tell the president

2142
01:41:55,000 --> 01:41:58,000
that mass resignations
would occur

2143
01:41:58,000 --> 01:42:01,000
if he installed Mr. Clark and
what the consequences would be?

2144
01:42:01,000 --> 01:42:05,000
>> I said, "Mr. President,
within 24, 48, 72 hours,

2145
01:42:05,000 --> 01:42:07,000
"you could have hundreds
and hundreds of resignations

2146
01:42:07,000 --> 01:42:09,000
"of the leadership of
your entire Justice Department

2147
01:42:09,000 --> 01:42:11,000
"because of your actions.

2148
01:42:11,000 --> 01:42:14,000
What's that going
to say about you?"

2149
01:42:14,000 --> 01:42:15,000
>> In the end,

2150
01:42:15,000 --> 01:42:18,000
that proves to be
enough to stop Trump--

2151
01:42:18,000 --> 01:42:20,000
very reluctantly,
very reluctantly--

2152
01:42:20,000 --> 01:42:24,000
from putting Clark in as
his acting attorney general.

2153
01:42:24,000 --> 01:42:28,000
Talk about a close call.

2154
01:42:28,000 --> 01:42:30,000
>> NARRATOR: But for
the January 6th committee

2155
01:42:30,000 --> 01:42:31,000
and federal prosecutors,

2156
01:42:31,000 --> 01:42:34,000
the pressure
on the Justice Department

2157
01:42:34,000 --> 01:42:37,000
was another part of
the conspiracy.

2158
01:42:37,000 --> 01:42:39,000
>> He's trying to enlist
as part of a scheme

2159
01:42:39,000 --> 01:42:42,000
these officials of
the Justice Department.

2160
01:42:42,000 --> 01:42:44,000
Lawyers, officers of the court,

2161
01:42:44,000 --> 01:42:46,000
people who have taken an oath

2162
01:42:46,000 --> 01:42:48,000
to uphold the rule of law,

2163
01:42:48,000 --> 01:42:50,000
and they won't go along with it.

2164
01:42:50,000 --> 01:42:53,000
>> "The Defendant
and co-conspirators

2165
01:42:53,000 --> 01:42:55,000
"attempted to use the power
and authority

2166
01:42:55,000 --> 01:42:57,000
"of the Justice Department

2167
01:42:57,000 --> 01:43:00,000
to conduct sham election
crime investigations."

2168
01:43:00,000 --> 01:43:02,000
>> NARRATOR:
As with the pressure

2169
01:43:02,000 --> 01:43:04,000
on state election officials,

2170
01:43:04,000 --> 01:43:07,000
Trump's attorneys have argued
that he was just doing his job.

2171
01:43:07,000 --> 01:43:09,000
>> "Urging his own
Department of Justice

2172
01:43:09,000 --> 01:43:11,000
"to do more
to enforce the laws

2173
01:43:11,000 --> 01:43:13,000
"that it is charged
with enforcing

2174
01:43:13,000 --> 01:43:16,000
is unquestionably an official
act of the president."

2175
01:43:16,000 --> 01:43:18,000
>> NARRATOR:
And the president is entitled

2176
01:43:18,000 --> 01:43:21,000
to name anyone he wants
as the attorney general.

2177
01:43:21,000 --> 01:43:22,000
>> "Deliberating
about whether to replace

2178
01:43:22,000 --> 01:43:24,000
"the acting attorney general
of the United States

2179
01:43:24,000 --> 01:43:29,000
is also a core
presidential function."

2180
01:43:29,000 --> 01:43:31,000
>> Jack Smith
has made that judgment

2181
01:43:31,000 --> 01:43:32,000
that that has
crossed over the line

2182
01:43:32,000 --> 01:43:34,000
into criminal conduct.

2183
01:43:34,000 --> 01:43:36,000
But he is now
going to have to prove

2184
01:43:36,000 --> 01:43:37,000
that the president
went over that line,

2185
01:43:37,000 --> 01:43:42,000
whatever that line is.

2186
01:43:45,000 --> 01:43:49,000
♪ ♪

2187
01:43:49,000 --> 01:43:50,000
>> NARRATOR:
Having called his supporters

2188
01:43:50,000 --> 01:43:53,000
to come to Washington
on January 6,

2189
01:43:53,000 --> 01:43:54,000
Trump turned his attention

2190
01:43:54,000 --> 01:43:58,000
to a key player in
his effort to stay in power:

2191
01:43:58,000 --> 01:44:01,000
Vice President Mike Pence.

2192
01:44:01,000 --> 01:44:03,000
>> Today, we're focusing on

2193
01:44:03,000 --> 01:44:05,000
President Trump's
relentless effort

2194
01:44:05,000 --> 01:44:07,000
to pressure
Mike Pence to refuse

2195
01:44:07,000 --> 01:44:10,000
to count electoral votes
on January 6.

2196
01:44:10,000 --> 01:44:12,000
>> The pressure campaign on
Vice President Pence

2197
01:44:12,000 --> 01:44:15,000
is the last gambit
to keep Trump in power.

2198
01:44:15,000 --> 01:44:18,000
I mean, basically,
it's the last lever

2199
01:44:18,000 --> 01:44:20,000
that they can pull to
try and steal the election.

2200
01:44:20,000 --> 01:44:23,000
>> NARRATOR: It was based on
an obscure legal theory:

2201
01:44:23,000 --> 01:44:25,000
that the vice president
had the power

2202
01:44:25,000 --> 01:44:29,000
to overturn
the election results.

2203
01:44:29,000 --> 01:44:31,000
>> Greg Jacob was counsel

2204
01:44:31,000 --> 01:44:34,000
to Vice President Pence.

2205
01:44:34,000 --> 01:44:35,000
He conducted
a thorough analysis

2206
01:44:35,000 --> 01:44:37,000
of the role
of the vice president

2207
01:44:37,000 --> 01:44:38,000
in a joint session

2208
01:44:38,000 --> 01:44:41,000
of Congress
under the Constitution.

2209
01:44:41,000 --> 01:44:44,000
I now recognize
the gentleman from California,

2210
01:44:44,000 --> 01:44:46,000
Mr. Aguilar.

2211
01:44:46,000 --> 01:44:49,000
>> Mr. Jacob, did you go to
the vice president's residences

2212
01:44:49,000 --> 01:44:51,000
on the morning of January 6?

2213
01:44:51,000 --> 01:44:52,000
>> Yes.

2214
01:44:52,000 --> 01:44:55,000
>> And did theice president
have a call with the president

2215
01:44:55,000 --> 01:44:56,000
that morning?
>> He did.

2216
01:44:56,000 --> 01:45:00,000
We were told that a call
had come in from the president.

2217
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:04,000
The vice president
stepped out of the room

2218
01:45:04,000 --> 01:45:07,000
to take that call,
and no staff went with him.

2219
01:45:07,000 --> 01:45:09,000
>> The president had
several family members

2220
01:45:09,000 --> 01:45:12,000
with him for that call.

2221
01:45:12,000 --> 01:45:14,000
I'd like to show you
what they and others

2222
01:45:14,000 --> 01:45:16,000
told the select committee
about that call,

2223
01:45:16,000 --> 01:45:19,000
along with
never-before-seen photographs

2224
01:45:19,000 --> 01:45:24,000
of the president on that call
from the National Archives.

2225
01:45:25,000 --> 01:45:29,000
>> When I entered the office
the second time,

2226
01:45:29,000 --> 01:45:31,000
he was on the telephone

2227
01:45:31,000 --> 01:45:33,000
with who I later found out
to be was the,

2228
01:45:33,000 --> 01:45:34,000
the vice president.

2229
01:45:34,000 --> 01:45:35,000
>> Could you
hear the vice president

2230
01:45:35,000 --> 01:45:37,000
or only hear
the president's end?

2231
01:45:37,000 --> 01:45:39,000
>> Only hear
the president's end.

2232
01:45:39,000 --> 01:45:41,000
And at some point,
it started off

2233
01:45:41,000 --> 01:45:42,000
as a calmer tone,

2234
01:45:42,000 --> 01:45:44,000
and then it became heated.

2235
01:45:44,000 --> 01:45:47,000
>> Donald Trump
is focused on this idea

2236
01:45:47,000 --> 01:45:50,000
that Pence wielding the gavel
on January 6

2237
01:45:50,000 --> 01:45:53,000
can single-handedly
overturn the election,

2238
01:45:53,000 --> 01:45:56,000
because he was presiding over
this final certification

2239
01:45:56,000 --> 01:45:57,000
of the electoral votes.

2240
01:45:57,000 --> 01:46:00,000
>> The conversation was, was...

2241
01:46:00,000 --> 01:46:03,000
pretty heated.

2242
01:46:03,000 --> 01:46:05,000
>> It's an extraordinary thing,

2243
01:46:05,000 --> 01:46:07,000
a president pressuring
a vice president this way,

2244
01:46:07,000 --> 01:46:09,000
insulting him that way,

2245
01:46:09,000 --> 01:46:11,000
a person who had been
nothing but loyal to him

2246
01:46:11,000 --> 01:46:14,000
through all those,
all those months and years.

2247
01:46:14,000 --> 01:46:16,000
>> Did Ms. Trump share with you

2248
01:46:16,000 --> 01:46:18,000
any more details
about what happened?

2249
01:46:18,000 --> 01:46:22,000
>> Her dad had just had
an upsetting conversation

2250
01:46:22,000 --> 01:46:24,000
with the vice president.

2251
01:46:24,000 --> 01:46:26,000
>> It was a different tone
than I'd heard him take

2252
01:46:26,000 --> 01:46:29,000
with the vice president
before.

2253
01:46:29,000 --> 01:46:31,000
>> Iean, I think she was...

2254
01:46:31,000 --> 01:46:33,000
uncomfortable over the fact
that there was obviously

2255
01:46:33,000 --> 01:46:36,000
that type of interaction
between the two of them.

2256
01:46:36,000 --> 01:46:38,000
>> The word
at she relayed to you

2257
01:46:38,000 --> 01:46:40,000
that the president
called the vice president,

2258
01:46:40,000 --> 01:46:42,000
I apologize for being impolite,

2259
01:46:42,000 --> 01:46:46,000
but do you rememr what
she said her father called him?

2260
01:46:46,000 --> 01:46:51,000
>> The P word.

2261
01:46:51,000 --> 01:46:54,000
>> Trump told Pence,
"You have a choice.

2262
01:46:54,000 --> 01:46:59,000
"You can either be a patriot
or you can be a pussy.

2263
01:46:59,000 --> 01:47:04,000
"Patriot means
turn the election over to me.

2264
01:47:05,000 --> 01:47:10,000
Being a pussy means being
afraid to use your power."

2265
01:47:11,000 --> 01:47:12,000
>> Mr. Jacob,
how would you describe

2266
01:47:12,000 --> 01:47:15,000
the demeanor
of the vice president

2267
01:47:15,000 --> 01:47:18,000
following the call with
the president?

2268
01:47:18,000 --> 01:47:20,000
>> When he came back
into the room,

2269
01:47:20,000 --> 01:47:24,000
I'd say that he was steely,

2270
01:47:24,000 --> 01:47:29,000
determined, grim.

2271
01:47:30,000 --> 01:47:32,000
>> NARRATOR:
In almost four years,

2272
01:47:32,000 --> 01:47:37,000
it was the first serious break
between Pence and Trump.

2273
01:47:38,000 --> 01:47:39,000
>> Donald Trump
had every expectation

2274
01:47:39,000 --> 01:47:43,000
that he would
go along with him on this.

2275
01:47:43,000 --> 01:47:44,000
Why wouldn't he?

2276
01:47:44,000 --> 01:47:47,000
He'd done everything else
up until now.

2277
01:47:47,000 --> 01:47:49,000
Pence is a vice president
who has been

2278
01:47:49,000 --> 01:47:51,000
exceedingly loyal to Trump

2279
01:47:51,000 --> 01:47:54,000
for three years, 11 months,
and however many days.

2280
01:47:54,000 --> 01:47:59,000
Mike Pence never, ever,
broke with the president.

2281
01:47:59,000 --> 01:48:04,000
>> NARRATOR: Now Pence
had to make a critical decision.

2282
01:48:04,000 --> 01:48:05,000
>> Pence had
just a clear conflict

2283
01:48:05,000 --> 01:48:07,000
between what Trump
wanted him to do

2284
01:48:07,000 --> 01:48:09,000
and what the Constitution
and the rule of law

2285
01:48:09,000 --> 01:48:10,000
required him to do.

2286
01:48:10,000 --> 01:48:12,000
I thk he managed
to navigate those conflicts

2287
01:48:12,000 --> 01:48:13,000
in various ways over four years.

2288
01:48:13,000 --> 01:48:15,000
Not always, in my view,
in the right way.

2289
01:48:15,000 --> 01:48:20,000
But this was such
a blatant transgression.

2290
01:48:21,000 --> 01:48:22,000
>> NARRATOR: Pivotal to the plan

2291
01:48:22,000 --> 01:48:25,000
was this man-- John Eastman.

2292
01:48:25,000 --> 01:48:28,000
>> Here's this law professor,

2293
01:48:28,000 --> 01:48:32,000
a member of the Federalists.

2294
01:48:32,000 --> 01:48:35,000
His role was to provide a,

2295
01:48:35,000 --> 01:48:37,000
sort of a
pseudo-intellectual cover

2296
01:48:37,000 --> 01:48:40,000
for legal arguments.

2297
01:48:40,000 --> 01:48:42,000
>> And he manufactures

2298
01:48:42,000 --> 01:48:44,000
this theory of the
vice president's power,

2299
01:48:44,000 --> 01:48:47,000
that bas... that says
that the vice president

2300
01:48:47,000 --> 01:48:48,000
of the United States
is the ultimate arbiter

2301
01:48:48,000 --> 01:48:50,000
on January 6, those were his
words, "the ultimate arbiter."

2302
01:48:50,000 --> 01:48:55,000
And Trump fully endorses
Eastman's plan.

2303
01:48:56,000 --> 01:49:00,000
>> Well, John Eastman
was one of my law clerks...

2304
01:49:00,000 --> 01:49:05,000
Perhaps 20, 25 years ago.

2305
01:49:06,000 --> 01:49:09,000
I was greatly concerned
that John had given

2306
01:49:09,000 --> 01:49:13,000
the advice that he had given.

2307
01:49:13,000 --> 01:49:14,000
>> Judge J. Michael Luttig

2308
01:49:14,000 --> 01:49:17,000
is one of the leading
conservative legal thinkers

2309
01:49:17,000 --> 01:49:18,000
in the country.

2310
01:49:18,000 --> 01:49:22,000
He's served in administrations
of President Ronald Reagan

2311
01:49:22,000 --> 01:49:25,000
and George H.W. Bush.

2312
01:49:25,000 --> 01:49:28,000
>> Judge Luttig had
a kind of moral authority

2313
01:49:28,000 --> 01:49:32,000
within the conservative
community.

2314
01:49:32,000 --> 01:49:34,000
A guy himself who had been

2315
01:49:34,000 --> 01:49:36,000
short-listed for
the Supreme Court.

2316
01:49:36,000 --> 01:49:38,000
Was on a first-name basis

2317
01:49:38,000 --> 01:49:41,000
with members of
the Supreme Court.

2318
01:49:41,000 --> 01:49:44,000
>> Judge Luttig,
I had the incredible honor

2319
01:49:44,000 --> 01:49:46,000
of serving as
one of your law clerks.

2320
01:49:46,000 --> 01:49:50,000
Another person who did was
John Eastman.

2321
01:49:50,000 --> 01:49:54,000
And you've written that
Dr. Eastman's theory is,

2322
01:49:54,000 --> 01:49:58,000
in your words,
"Incorrect at every turn."

2323
01:49:58,000 --> 01:50:02,000
>> Mr. Eastman
said to the president

2324
01:50:02,000 --> 01:50:04,000
that there was both legal

2325
01:50:04,000 --> 01:50:09,000
as well as
historical precedent

2326
01:50:09,000 --> 01:50:14,000
for the vice president
to overturn the election.

2327
01:50:14,000 --> 01:50:18,000
This is Constitutional mischief.

2328
01:50:18,000 --> 01:50:20,000
I would have laid my body

2329
01:50:20,000 --> 01:50:25,000
across the road before I would
have let the vice president

2330
01:50:26,000 --> 01:50:31,000
overturn the 2020 election.

2331
01:50:31,000 --> 01:50:36,000
I diagrammed his, uh,
his, his legal analysis,

2332
01:50:36,000 --> 01:50:39,000
from beginning to end
and concluded

2333
01:50:39,000 --> 01:50:44,000
that we was wrong at every,
every turn of his analysis,

2334
01:50:44,000 --> 01:50:48,000
every turn of his thinking.

2335
01:50:48,000 --> 01:50:50,000
>> Judge Luttig,
you wrote that the efforts

2336
01:50:50,000 --> 01:50:54,000
by President Trump to overturn
the 2020 election were,

2337
01:50:54,000 --> 01:50:56,000
"the most reckless, insidious,

2338
01:50:56,000 --> 01:51:00,000
"and calamitous failures in both
legal and political judgement

2339
01:51:00,000 --> 01:51:02,000
in American history."

2340
01:51:02,000 --> 01:51:05,000
What did you mean by that?

2341
01:51:05,000 --> 01:51:10,000
>> Exactly what I said,
Congressman.

2342
01:51:11,000 --> 01:51:13,000
>> NARRATOR: White House lawyers
had also warned

2343
01:51:13,000 --> 01:51:15,000
about Eastman's theories.

2344
01:51:15,000 --> 01:51:18,000
But Trump persisted,

2345
01:51:18,000 --> 01:51:20,000
summoning the vice president
to the Oval Office.

2346
01:51:20,000 --> 01:51:22,000
>> The Eastman plan.

2347
01:51:22,000 --> 01:51:23,000
It was the last option

2348
01:51:23,000 --> 01:51:25,000
for Donald Trump.

2349
01:51:25,000 --> 01:51:28,000
January 4, 2021.

2350
01:51:28,000 --> 01:51:33,000
In the Oval Office,
John Eastman, President Trump,

2351
01:51:33,000 --> 01:51:36,000
they pull
Vice President Pence in.

2352
01:51:36,000 --> 01:51:41,000
He's joined by his aides,
Greg Jacob and Marc Short.

2353
01:51:41,000 --> 01:51:44,000
Trump says to Pence,
in front of others,

2354
01:51:44,000 --> 01:51:47,000
"You have to now listen
to John Eastman,

2355
01:51:47,000 --> 01:51:49,000
"you have to follow
the Eastman plan--

2356
01:51:49,000 --> 01:51:53,000
object to the certification."

2357
01:51:53,000 --> 01:51:55,000
It's a pressure campaign.

2358
01:51:55,000 --> 01:51:57,000
Pence says to Trump,

2359
01:51:57,000 --> 01:51:59,000
"I'm going to do what I can,
Mr. President,

2360
01:51:59,000 --> 01:52:02,000
I want to help you out but
I'm listening to my lawyers."

2361
01:52:02,000 --> 01:52:04,000
He turns to Greg Jacob,
his advisors, and he says,

2362
01:52:04,000 --> 01:52:08,000
"They're telling me
I can't do it.

2363
01:52:08,000 --> 01:52:12,000
I can't do it, it's not
constitutional, it's not legal."

2364
01:52:12,000 --> 01:52:17,000
Trump says,
"You can do it, listen to John."

2365
01:52:17,000 --> 01:52:20,000
>> Mr. Jacob,
during that meeting between

2366
01:52:20,000 --> 01:52:22,000
the president
and the vice president,

2367
01:52:22,000 --> 01:52:25,000
what theories did Dr. Eastman
present regarding

2368
01:52:25,000 --> 01:52:26,000
the role of the vice president

2369
01:52:26,000 --> 01:52:28,000
in counting the electoral votes?

2370
01:52:28,000 --> 01:52:31,000
>> So during that meeting
on the fourth

2371
01:52:31,000 --> 01:52:35,000
I think I raised the problem

2372
01:52:35,000 --> 01:52:37,000
that Mr. Eastman's proposals

2373
01:52:37,000 --> 01:52:41,000
would violate several provisions
of the Electoral Count Act.

2374
01:52:41,000 --> 01:52:46,000
Mr. Eastman acknowledged
that that was the case.

2375
01:52:46,000 --> 01:52:48,000
>> Pence turns to Trump
and says,

2376
01:52:48,000 --> 01:52:50,000
"Are you listening to this?
Do you hear this?"

2377
01:52:50,000 --> 01:52:52,000
But Trump isn't listening
to that, he just,

2378
01:52:52,000 --> 01:52:54,000
he's banging away on Pence,

2379
01:52:54,000 --> 01:52:57,000
"You are the guy who's going to
keep us in power."

2380
01:52:57,000 --> 01:53:00,000
(siren blaring)

2381
01:53:00,000 --> 01:53:04,000
>> NARRATOR: Pence stood firm.

2382
01:53:04,000 --> 01:53:08,000
>> This is a man who has been
so loyal for so long,

2383
01:53:08,000 --> 01:53:09,000
but I think,
at the end of the day,

2384
01:53:09,000 --> 01:53:11,000
Mike Pence knew that he s

2385
01:53:11,000 --> 01:53:14,000
going to uphold
the Constitution.

2386
01:53:14,000 --> 01:53:17,000
And he knew that he had
no power to overturn

2387
01:53:17,000 --> 01:53:21,000
and do the things
that the president was saying.

2388
01:53:21,000 --> 01:53:25,000
>> The choice Mike Pence was
facing was not really a choice.

2389
01:53:25,000 --> 01:53:27,000
He had no choice to do anything

2390
01:53:27,000 --> 01:53:30,000
other than count the votes
that took place.

2391
01:53:30,000 --> 01:53:33,000
But at this point, Donald Trump
had surrounded himself

2392
01:53:33,000 --> 01:53:37,000
with people who were feeding him
more and more nonsense

2393
01:53:37,000 --> 01:53:41,000
about how this process worked.

2394
01:53:41,000 --> 01:53:42,000
It was just another situation

2395
01:53:42,000 --> 01:53:45,000
of the president
creating his own reality,

2396
01:53:45,000 --> 01:53:48,000
deciding things that can happen
that simply can't,

2397
01:53:48,000 --> 01:53:51,000
and set Mike Pence up
for the fall in a way

2398
01:53:51,000 --> 01:53:53,000
that he had really no choice
in what to do.

2399
01:53:53,000 --> 01:53:57,000
♪ ♪

2400
01:53:57,000 --> 01:54:00,000
>> NARRATOR: The pressure
on Pence figures prominently

2401
01:54:00,000 --> 01:54:02,000
in the indictment of Trump.

2402
01:54:02,000 --> 01:54:05,000
>> "The Defendant
and co-conspirators attempted

2403
01:54:05,000 --> 01:54:08,000
to enlist the vice president
to use his ceremonial role

2404
01:54:08,000 --> 01:54:10,000
at the January 6
certification proceeding

2405
01:54:10,000 --> 01:54:14,000
to fraudulently alter
the election results.

2406
01:54:14,000 --> 01:54:17,000
>> NARRATOR: John Eastman
is listed as one of

2407
01:54:17,000 --> 01:54:20,000
the unindicted co-conspirators,

2408
01:54:20,000 --> 01:54:25,000
though he still defends the
advice he gave the president.

2409
01:54:25,000 --> 01:54:27,000
>> Trump's interactions
with Pence,

2410
01:54:27,000 --> 01:54:29,000
direct and indirect,
are crucial.

2411
01:54:29,000 --> 01:54:31,000
They really go to showing
that part of the way

2412
01:54:31,000 --> 01:54:33,000
he obstructed justice

2413
01:54:33,000 --> 01:54:36,000
was trying
to wrongfully pressure Pence,

2414
01:54:36,000 --> 01:54:40,000
who had an official task
not to undertake that task.

2415
01:54:40,000 --> 01:54:44,000
>> Is the ct that Donald Trump
asked him to do that,

2416
01:54:44,000 --> 01:54:46,000
is, is that criminal?

2417
01:54:46,000 --> 01:54:49,000
Again, I think you've got to be
really careful there.

2418
01:54:49,000 --> 01:54:51,000
I don't think that's something
you want to make criminal,

2419
01:54:51,000 --> 01:54:54,000
you know, on its own.

2420
01:54:54,000 --> 01:54:56,000
The mere ask to say, you know,

2421
01:54:56,000 --> 01:54:58,000
"I want you to not certify
the results."

2422
01:54:58,000 --> 01:55:01,000
It doesn't necessarily mean
that it was a violation

2423
01:55:01,000 --> 01:55:03,000
of the criminal law.

2424
01:55:03,000 --> 01:55:05,000
It depends on context
and whatever other evidence

2425
01:55:05,000 --> 01:55:07,000
the government has.

2426
01:55:07,000 --> 01:55:10,000
>> Whether or not a particular
act that the president

2427
01:55:10,000 --> 01:55:11,000
is alleged to have engaged in

2428
01:55:11,000 --> 01:55:13,000
is in and of itself a crime

2429
01:55:13,000 --> 01:55:16,000
isn't really going to be
the question at that trial.

2430
01:55:16,000 --> 01:55:18,000
It's going to be whether
that act

2431
01:55:18,000 --> 01:55:21,000
was in furtherance
of a criminal objective.

2432
01:55:21,000 --> 01:55:24,000
All of these acts,
all of the things that

2433
01:55:24,000 --> 01:55:26,000
we've been talking about,

2434
01:55:26,000 --> 01:55:28,000
they don't have to be illegal
in and of themselves.

2435
01:55:28,000 --> 01:55:33,000
The crime is a conspiracy
to defraud the United States.

2436
01:55:39,000 --> 01:55:44,000
♪ ♪

2437
01:55:45,000 --> 01:55:48,000
>> There's a lot of anticipation
for today's hearings.

2438
01:55:48,000 --> 01:55:50,000
The committee says it will
present

2439
01:55:50,000 --> 01:55:51,000
newly obtained
evidence and testimony.

2440
01:55:51,000 --> 01:55:52,000
>> NARRATOR:
In the midst of the

2441
01:55:52,000 --> 01:55:56,000
Jaary 6th committee's
hearings, a dramatic moment.

2442
01:55:56,000 --> 01:55:58,000
>> Live testimony
from a White House advisor

2443
01:55:58,000 --> 01:56:02,000
who was right there
in the West Wing on January 6.

2444
01:56:02,000 --> 01:56:03,000
>> NARRATOR: A surprise witness.

2445
01:56:03,000 --> 01:56:06,000
>> During the Watergate hearings
there was only

2446
01:56:06,000 --> 01:56:09,000
one surprise witness--
it was Alexander Butterfield,

2447
01:56:09,000 --> 01:56:10,000
while in the January 6 hearings,

2448
01:56:10,000 --> 01:56:12,000
the surprise witness
is Cassidy Hutchinson.

2449
01:56:12,000 --> 01:56:15,000
>> NARRATOR: Cassidy Hutchinson:

2450
01:56:15,000 --> 01:56:18,000
a 25-year-old White House
staffer.

2451
01:56:18,000 --> 01:56:20,000
>> The most intimidating thing

2452
01:56:20,000 --> 01:56:22,000
is all those cameras
sitting one foot from her face

2453
01:56:22,000 --> 01:56:25,000
taking pictures of her.

2454
01:56:25,000 --> 01:56:27,000
(camera flash pops)

2455
01:56:27,000 --> 01:56:31,000
This is a young woman

2456
01:56:31,000 --> 01:56:35,000
standing in a setting that could

2457
01:56:35,000 --> 01:56:38,000
almost feel amphitheatrical.

2458
01:56:38,000 --> 01:56:43,000
♪ ♪

2459
01:56:44,000 --> 01:56:47,000
>> I was with Cassidy
on the day of her testimony.

2460
01:56:47,000 --> 01:56:50,000
During it,
I'm sitting behind her.

2461
01:56:50,000 --> 01:56:52,000
She was incredibly nervous,

2462
01:56:52,000 --> 01:56:55,000
I think like any normal person
would be to do this.

2463
01:56:55,000 --> 01:57:00,000
There was a time beforehand
where she wanted to back out.

2464
01:57:00,000 --> 01:57:04,000
Because it was really scary
to go up against

2465
01:57:04,000 --> 01:57:06,000
the president
of the United States,

2466
01:57:06,000 --> 01:57:07,000
and speak the truth,

2467
01:57:07,000 --> 01:57:12,000
is something that only
a few people will know.

2468
01:57:14,000 --> 01:57:17,000
>> She was a hardcore
Trump loyalist.

2469
01:57:17,000 --> 01:57:20,000
And she's getting ready
to destroy the tribe

2470
01:57:20,000 --> 01:57:22,000
that she gets her identity from.

2471
01:57:22,000 --> 01:57:24,000
I've been there, right.
I've been in that moment.

2472
01:57:24,000 --> 01:57:27,000
It was pretty awe-inspiring
to be quite honest with you.

2473
01:57:27,000 --> 01:57:31,000
>> I will now swear in
our witness.

2474
01:57:31,000 --> 01:57:33,000
>> Knowing how Trump had

2475
01:57:33,000 --> 01:57:38,000
become so intimidating a person
for people who crossed him,

2476
01:57:38,000 --> 01:57:42,000
and this one young woman,
doing what so many other

2477
01:57:42,000 --> 01:57:45,000
much older, frequently male
staffers wouldn't do,

2478
01:57:45,000 --> 01:57:47,000
which is come forward

2479
01:57:47,000 --> 01:57:49,000
and testifying truthfully
under oath.

2480
01:57:49,000 --> 01:57:50,000
>> ...the whole truth,
and nothing but the truth,

2481
01:57:50,000 --> 01:57:52,000
so help you God?

2482
01:57:52,000 --> 01:57:53,000
>> (inaudible)

2483
01:57:53,000 --> 01:57:56,000
>> Thank you, you may be seated.

2484
01:57:56,000 --> 01:57:58,000
>> NARRATOR:
Inside the White House,

2485
01:57:58,000 --> 01:58:00,000
Hutchinson had been a top aide

2486
01:58:00,000 --> 01:58:04,000
to Trump's chief of staff,
Mark Meadows,

2487
01:58:04,000 --> 01:58:06,000
and in the room
during key events

2488
01:58:06,000 --> 01:58:08,000
the committee was investigating.

2489
01:58:08,000 --> 01:58:12,000
>> Hutchinson was a crucial
witness in terms of helping to

2490
01:58:12,000 --> 01:58:14,000
shine a light on
the president's state of mind

2491
01:58:14,000 --> 01:58:19,000
because so few people
were capable of doing that.

2492
01:58:19,000 --> 01:58:20,000
>> NARRATOR:
Hutchinson revealed details

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about Trump's plans for
January 6.

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>> On January 2,

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four days before the attack
on our Capitol,

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President Trump's lead lawyer,
Mr. Giuliani, was meeting

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with White House chief of staff
Mark Meadows and others.

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Ms. Hutchinson,
we understand that you

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walked Mr. Giuliani out of
the White House that night,

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and he talked to you
about January 6.

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What do you remember him saying?

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>> As Mr. Giuliani and I
were walking to his vehicles

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that evening,
he looked at me and said

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something to the effect of,

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"Cass, are you excited for
the sixth?

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It's going to be a great day."

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I member looking at him
saying,

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"Rudy, could you explain
what's happening on the sixth?"

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And he had responded something
to the effect of,

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"We're going to the Capitol.

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"It's going to be great.

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"The president's going
to be there.

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He's going to look powerful."

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>> She clearly had nothing
to gain by doing it.

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She was telling the truth
as she saw it.

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This poised, composed

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young woman with no obvious
axe to grind

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as she's telling her story,

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it's the most powerful moment
I think in the entire hearings.

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>> And I found Mr. Meadows

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in his office,
scrolling through his phone.

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I remember leaning against
the doorway and saying,

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"I just had an interesting
conversation with Rudy, Mark.

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It sounds like we're going
to go to the Capitol."

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He didn't look up
from his phone,

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and said something to
the effect of,

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"There's a lot going on,
Cass, but I don't know,

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things might get real, real bad
on January 6."

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>> (crowd chanting): U.S.A.!

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U.S.A.!

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U.S.A.!
>> Tensions are running high.

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30,000 supporters of the
present

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are gathering right now.

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They're having
what they're calling

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a "Stop the Steal" rally.

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>> NARRATOR: And on January 6,

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Hutchinson was in
the president's inner circle.

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>> I think the campaign is aware

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that January 6 would
be the last stand.

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Once that certification
happens on the sixth,

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that it's really over.

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(siren blaring)

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>> Miss Hutchinson,
did you go to the rally

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in the presidential motorcade?

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>> I, I was there, yes.

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(siren blaring)

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>> And were you backstage

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with the president and other
members of his staff and family?

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>> I was.

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>> NARRATOR: It was in the tent
backstage that Hutchinson

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heard crucial evidence
of what Trump knew

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about the potential for violence
that day.

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>> (on video): When we were in
the fstage announce area tent

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behind the stage

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he was very concerned about
the shots--

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meaning the photographs
that we would get

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because the rally space
wasn't full.

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>> The former president was
unhappy with the crowd se.