and everything else on impact. uh, let's say, according to the same railway composition, we cannot avoid human casualties. well, you know, even in mainland ukraine there are many depots calibrated in raf, and i think that even from there in mainland ukraine, uh, these ammunition orders. ammunition will run out sooner or later, of course. and i also have one question for you. i asked you last time. but i'm interested in following this trend. still, is there any, but the story with the fact that, well, the fights are tough, they understand that they are already all the same mostly surrounded. still, more of them began to surrender or are still captured. they give up little and rarely. created by those who surrender . eh, let's say the story is very interesting because. um, well, the largest number was in the

first days of the operation, then the number decreased. we also asked ourselves. why is this happening? and this happens only for one e reason, that the ukrainian military leaders made the appropriate conclusions. they have there are so -called zagratoriada. and in case units even turned out to be a tactical environment, then they simply cover them with friendly fire, that is, they level their own positions with the ground, so that no one goes into captivity and surrenders. eh, repeatedly. there have even been cases when, let's say, we have already occupied certain positions or territory and found the corpses of ukrainian servicemen who were shot in the back. this probably says a lot. yes, this, unfortunately, says a lot, we will talk about it today. thanks andrey vitalievich, as always, an interesting and exhaustive story. it was the official representative of the people's militia, lpr, lieutenant colonel marochka. by the way, when i was listening to this, here is andrey

vitalievich's answer to his question about this delivery , this is the story. i even checked myself. she knows me, she reminded me very much that they are taking civilians out of there, they are also taking out the personnel of the armed forces. and i remembered that this reminds me of something and remembered that it reminds me. it reminds me of a story i read in a book. addis evyger choice, and she was a prisoner of the auschwitz concentration camp by the way, it's a very powerful book. i recommend this to everyone . she. it mentions the moment when they were taken out of the concentration camps, they were put on top of the boxcars of their prisoners. and inside, german troops moved in these cars, that is, this is the tactic of covering up the civilian population. it also repeats itself in a very surprising way. we have been surprised by this for a month now, but, apparently, there are some roots, sergey ivanovich, there is only one difference. yes, but i

, if there was some kind of population in the concentration camp, yes, well, friendly to us, and so on, or is there guilty of something in front of the german authorities or ethnically guilty jews, and so on, it was all the same for them to be strangers. yes, yes, and they covered all their lives here, they hide behind people who they cannot explain, and in what they are actually strangers to you. this is time for a second, when some boiler is taken there, then, well, normal people. they are trying to reduce the number of erts there, so to speak, so that the military would have enough for food, just somehow share it. it is necessary to throw bones at least about anything. yes, and so on. first time we see so that humanitarian corridors. closed by people who continue to fight, about which it would seem beneficial to leave. eh, as if they know that they will leave and they will be untouched somewhere in the inspectorate in some thirteenth century, what fourteenth? yes? so to speak, the civilian population was taken out there and given away.

they immediately burned it, but this one was a different story. here, no one will do this, therefore, the behavior is absolutely inhuman , i absolutely answer, not corresponding to the possibilities. but like, well, warriors who even want to fight. they would have to be freed from the ballast, apparently the civilian population. so they take it and hide behind it. this is an absolutely base practice, especially since, as it were, this is its own population. yes, and so they don’t have their own and these people should know that they are for them, of course, so to speak about muscovites, if they are muscovites, then bared strangers, yes, and they are perceived absolutely as consumables . that's why they don't feel sorry for them. they do not feel sorry for them, and in this light, just the question that i'm going to ask you and actually. not only you this question, which is asked by so many people who follow or do not follow the course of hostilities for details. for the details of hostilities. and someone understands this more, someone less, but

everyone asks the question that in addition to military goals, which are more or less clear. yes, there is demilitarization, what is it? this is the destruction of the military knockout infrastructure. uh, techniques of coercion to stop resistance or to deprive the possibility of resistance the question to which people are asked who, it seems to me, is very important, as we, as you, in this case understand more broadly than a military operation. the goals of what we are doing there, because how we understand what we are doing there, and what we want to do there , depends on the assessment, success or failure, and so on , of what is happening, that is, we have come there, on your opinion, in addition to the military component, how who in order that i have to say yours a little uh on uh i address the previous period

of history, but once when i had to go there argue about how the great patriotic war went. she even screamed from the other side shouting that there in the forty-first year, she was going badly. i keep asking. and who fought well with the germans? ok then. uh, the soviet army fought badly. and who is good, probably the french. yes, they never went on the counteroffensive, the russians went over, well, the soviet ones went right in the month of july, right almost in the first days. yes, now when it is said here, how is it going there? i fully agree with what the chief of the chief operational management. i just want to draw your attention to the fact that the head of the main operational directorate begins to speak out publicly in situations that are quite serious. yes, it seems to me , but i just want to add that not a single army, except for the russian one. i'm shocked that this is happening. despite all the bad things i see, no one but the russians can complete this operation at this pace. none could, i argue americans, maybe all the cities, yes, they erased

all the cities, they would go into the desert, but we practically we cannot do this for us, the territory for us and our own, and we connect our future with it, and so on, and humanistically, no army in the world can do it either. what is being done here cannot be done, everything else is utopia. it is absolutely clear that anyone has been cleared, but it doesn't matter in a week already. i'm the only thing guys. be careful act filigree. take care of yourself and complete tasks. will it happen after that? not the head of the main operational directorate. will it be moved to the main the direction where it exists, kramatorsk and everything else, or to nikolai at this is a separate question, but there you have to tinker with this group. this is how we are doing it now, breaking open concrete fortifications, which are quite similar to the mannerheim line, completely frontal peonies should hit this concrete, then 100 m, then peonies again, then another 100 m. this is how it will all continue together, then sooner or later we will have to deal with

nicholas, my odessa, and even from the central part, what will happen to kiev is a separate issue, what about leo is all issues are not resolved, but this, of course, is 5-6 months, half a year. and it's freaking fast for an operation that's being done by all the boltons who were saying it could be done in 5 days or 10 days and so on. i was ashamed to hear it every time that no army except the russian one can do it, and it is strange to come across many minuses that exist in our lives. or let's say that they are worse equipped than the ukrainians, that the walkie-talkies are worse, that the thermal imagers there, all this little things are worse than our aviation, uh, our rocket, our heavy helicopters. uh, artillery, our everything on this, as it were, everything ends. and this is where it starts. the main thing, if they understand that it ends, is the finale. i have never seen such an ingenious scheme as hurray hurray we are in the boilers. this is the first time i've heard this world history . every time a cauldron was threatened, when flanking

clusters began people, what they do quickly retreated, but pre-prepared positions and so on, just not to be in the cauldron. here hooray we are all boilers. we sit there and quickly wet them, how much you will wet them now with these deliveries. it seems to me that every destruction of a large base of fuel and lubricants and ammunition. this is such an important operation. like taking a locality, it may not be as spectacular, but effective insane, because sooner or later. there should be no fuel and lubricants or ammunition in this sense, i said many times. and now, artyom, you know that there is such an ordinary utopia. yes, which says that well, think about the fight. yes, here are the horns hanging bandolier here. so, in order for us to fight a real battle from rifle companies for a day, not single, but we really need wagons, ammunition wagons. and those who can not give them a ride. and who is blocked. they can't fight real regular combat further in this

territory. e will appear what will appear and then we will somehow deal with it. this is already a separate issue. so this thing is needed as one of the phases of the deployment of the war against us. and guys, i could never understand when for the first time they saw the blood of tajikistan during the collapse of the soviet union, when they saw this blood already there in sumgayit and it doesn’t matter where else. yes, when they saw all this. didn't they understand that we were entering a big military era? was it really incomprehensible when all these separate, as if to a quasi-state. these are scattered cut off pieces from a single body. all nationalisms began in them and georgian imperialism began, when the abkhazians and ossetians were killed, and so on everywhere. was it really incomprehensible that these pieces would be nazified all the time. uh-huh, they ca n't help being nazised. this is a chemical organic process. they can’t get along in life, liberals

fly off, then some pragmatists, like heaps fly off, stupid are bandera and what else are they can finally. they don't exist on their own. they are not tinny, they are capable of a one-meter small state. so, they will be attracted to someone. and to be attracted on the basis of what, that they were once occupied by the damned muscovites and it is necessary to fight against them, if we hadn’t struck this blow , what would happen now is that there should be an even greater nosification of europe, the militarization of ukraine and the transfer of all this to our territory, and i am responsible for my words, prepared in a few days by the physical destruction of donetsk cruise missiles and from ochakovo, yes, and in fact, we are now, uh, just continuing this conversation. when you were talking about e, the further nocification of all these meters. i just remembered, just a video, i can’t show it now, i didn’t prepare it for this program, but i

know for sure that it was yesterday today, which means that there is still running on the territory of ukraine. well, maybe not to run anymore, but yesterday, when this video was filmed, the former minister of defense of georgia okruashvili was running. uh-huh and there is a very an indicative video when okroaushvili is sitting in the frame and someone who is filming him? well, apparently, he is also asking some kind of question to his fellow tribesman. if only you could kill. eh, two russians or an ossetian, whatever you choose, and he answers, of course, ossetians, that is, roughly speaking, spout yes, yes, yes, indigenous people. so i, too, when i looked, that is, when you talk about nosification. it's not just words, it's growing in every single piece, but such a mini-nazism, from which all of them are made up of a certain such a broader nazism, a which, in general, to a large extent surrounds us in a circle, and the more important is the issue that we began to discuss, and we will still

return to it more than once and more than once the military component. it is clear that she will go one way or another longer or faster, but the question of what later he is still the most important, including for what is now. let me give you an example. we have been discussing for several days that in those territories that have already been liberated, but they are, as it were, liberated, but in in fact, for example, here is an example of a putivl, which was cited by many and 30 km from the border of russia. our troops passed the military registration and enlistment office fled a week later, no one came and the military registration and enlistment office returned and began distributing weapons to the population of kherson, in which, until recently, no one was engaged in anything except the military. as a result, kherson with a long criminal tradition of the city. this means that all this criminal component has come out, because when there is a vacuum of power, it is filled with someone or something, but in order to fill it you need to have an idea who you are, and how who you are,

came to this territory, which you cleared by military means. and then the question arises. and what's next, what's next, after all, with the dpr with the lc? everything, of course, heavy battles, opening of fortified areas, and so on, the dnr lpr are countries. uh, these are the republics who understand how they will improve their lives, where the released points are already starting. so to say, the ministry of emergency situations, respectively, comes to work as an administration, and so on and so forth, because they are liberating their territory. and what here? well, artyom, i would first try to answer briefly the previous question, who are we there, and we regularly use, but, as it were, associations with the great patriotic war. we defeated the germans in 1945. recall the following words of the userionch who saved germany by the way, we defeated nazism and in this sense we are important, we

liberated the germans from the nazis in germany so yes, we occupied germany from the non-nazi regime, which would be exactly the occupier here sergei ivanovich is correct, people in the east say for them strangers people in the west are also strangers to them, because nazism the theme is different. this is order psychology for them, all people are garbage. and we are now, uh, we are liberating and occupying ukraine from the nazi regime, which will be. i don’t argue, we will de-occupy ukraine from the nazi regime, which will be swept away, but in order to continue to occupy it, i will answer the nazi regime. need to understand. we are there as someone else. what are we doing there? well, first of all, any story. let's ask a harder question. come on, or so exactly people. asks a question. they should not choose, as it were, tolerant questions. yes, they ask, it means, either it will be in some form of russia or

it will be in some form informally, russia but in fact also russia or will it again be some kind of ukrainian state that we recognize again, but it is there starts doing something. uh, the question is base not base. that's it, that's how far we go. this is a question including advancement, of course, you understand this, this is how it is. it is, roughly speaking, if a person, but specifically to cut off his finger all over his leg, in general, well , it’s probably not useless, but it hardly solves the issue, if the soviet union sent information troops to germany information troops, the united states, yes. yes. e, it means very compactly, it means, firstly, question number the question is the most important today and it was not in vain that putival sounded. what has been screaming about for about a week , all of our expert community. well, according to oleg tsarev, i know oleg, and he will not shake things up in vain . yes, it was decided that a

certain legal regime is being established in the liberated territories, because we had a program on the air yesterday. we are breaking down all social institutions, they simply do not exist there. yes , the entire administration, officials are shedding from there , a legal regime is established in the military- civilian administration to the bottom and also intimidates its own population, therefore the military civil administration where the military component is provided, among other things, by representatives of law enforcement agencies to fight, including against the underground, uh, and here very it is important to understand while the entire territory. ukraine will not be liberated until the identification process is carried out, another time i will tell you, i already fit in 5 minutes what should be done for this. all civil-military administrations remain as a temporary legal regime. vladimir vladimirovich putin usually does not throw words for the evening if he says that the people of the former ukraine will be determined. he himself just doesn’t

speak when it’s clear that they didn’t let the germans vote right away either, because they confused nazi ideology, just like here, it can take a year 3 5 years, and the citizens of the military civil administration will be controlled, the territory e life-giving national life, the question arises, when we say the military-civilian administration, we understand who consists of which military these administrations are composed, and who are the civilians and on what basis they are copied there, so to speak, this is the most important question. how 20 years flew normally, i ask 20 years, i hear normally, wait a long time tolerated your numbers. igor honor with me for the

last time. do you even realize that life has crippled yourself? worry about yourself worry that valentin the legendary film alexander metysh tomorrow after the program vremya program vremya will tell we continue to work live in fact we are discussing the most important issue that is directly related to the goals and objectives of the special military operation that is

currently being carried out in ukraine but we are discussing , then, strictly speaking, what should follow you the achievement of a military victory after demilitarization and , in fact, what are the fruits of this victory in other words, what are we going to do in ukraine for the sake of which guys are fighting and dying there now. i want to start to understand why i ask these questions so aggressively. you know how it is when you walk in the mountains. here you understand you are on some top. one to the second to the third, but if you don't see ahead of you the peak you need to go to, each of these little peaks will kill you. went down. but if you clearly know what you need there, then all these tops, they are perceived by you in a different way, so i am now discussing where, by and large. we want to go and what are we dealing with. yesterday i

received comments on one of the posts in my telegram channel. it doesn't matter now. to which a woman writes about ukraine. i'm 44 years old. i was born and lived in ukraine in dnepropetrovsk in the ninth grade. you see, in the ninth grade, she was 44 years old, when it was yes, definitely not eight, not 12, not 15 years old back in ninth grade. we have started a course on the history of ukraine. i remember these brand new textbooks. i remember tears. our old lady history teacher, i can't teach that. this was not true . she i remember the freedom party that crawled out of mine in my first election in my life. i remember gradually pushing people to the idea that bandera should be his own, and so on. this is not bad, strange publications on the internet in the thirteenth year of ukraine, who are you with and the flags of the usa and russia, i could not understand why this and a biolaboratory, about which ordinary villagers ukraine was known in the twelfth year. but what happened then you already know, and i don’t know, now there are many people who want liberation from nazism, my relatives cursed me, my brother

went to fight for the apu. he sent me a suicide video in which he called for sabotage in our special operations with death threats. it all ended with an exclamation of glory to ukraine with a fascist gesture. a month later, i'm not scared anymore. i pray for everyone. who still has at least a drop of reason, i'm sorry if out of place to the place it's very out of place indicator of that. what if we come there to denocify it does not fit, uh, in the list of 150-120. let thousands of yarosh belets and so on. this is education. this idealog is the most complex set of things to do, which, having come and gone , is impossible. and then you need to understand, we come there, somehow for what and what we do and actually. in what format? it seems to me something ukrainian nazism. this is such a projection, caricatured and infernal, in fact, of all those processes that

, among other things, have shown themselves in this postmodern world, but the last 30 years, when it all picked up speed. and why, in fact, does this west support this hellish caricature, i say nazism again, what is so archaic in its form, because it is organic to it, and in fact , by denocifying ukraine, we are essentially starting the process. well, this is not even a very accurate term, you know. it's just inhuman hellish and de-inhuman ideologies. we haven’t even invented a new word for this yet. at the beginning, he said about it that we first encounter when our the population, no matter how their own, look and it is a resource artyom is not random their vocabulary is relatively. the fact that they clean up human garbage so coincides with the salafi vocabulary. the same thing, the salafists say is not accidental, they advise each other

and each other and fight for each other. i already once said on your program that in iraq these same ukrainian nazis fought on the side of astra and e, and were their instructors, and so on. it's all connected, but you have to understand. whose tool is this, which junk agents, in fact, can maybe they even understand it themselves, maybe they don't understand it to me personally, it's all the same, but hmm i want to say that they are the instrument of that inhuman ideology of the abolition of all identity and culture. this cancellation, or rather the substitution that has been planted on us all the last time and consent, but we understand that they are all the abomination that shows behind my wall, but we need to see it so that there are no illusions, we understand. that it sprouted here not in 8 years, but in 30 and in fact, apparently due to a lot decades, because they didn’t clean it up and returned it, because, but now we come here, we

return to all this, where it sprouted. where did you grow up? i'm sorry. excuse me, more than one generation of people for whom this is the only picture of the world that they know, and we come here and talk, but now we will come and disperse and defeat the army. yes, then we change the picture of the world. well , you understand, not only in ukraine. you understand what's the matter. i'm such a pushover myself. and i always want to offer me this image of the future. what are we going to do next? you know some things she will tell us herself. life is like certain paths, you know, which are in the park. yes, people trample, and then you can walk along it in the corners. like yes, yes, and then you can lay so on, there are some. to which we are not yet ready to give an answer, but this does not mean that we do not have it, really. well, look, we've talked to you about this many times. i always seem to be closer, i

agree with everything you say, but this ideological setting is very important, but i i'm talking about real life. we understand that now many people have the feeling that people like this woman’s brother are the majority there, they are not the majority, but many of those people who do not need to be denocified, who would help with denocification themselves, they tell us guys. we do not understand, roughly speaking, the nature of your arrival and the format of your actions. and therefore, until we understand him, remembering, kharkov of the fourteenth year. i remember odessa of the fourteenth year, remembering, then all the years when these people were planted spread rot and so on. we my friends until we understand what you are doing here? as we seriously came, we will not show our nose, and we and we, if we do not formulate it for ourselves. it ’s clear for yourself, then many of the people who could show everyone, including the world, that ukraine is different, and there are not only these banderlogs. we

, if we can’t clearly say this to ourselves, how will we make them seem at least one phrase, if allow me, i can only say one thing. you know, while we ourselves are not you and me, but until we say part of our political elite, we won’t get rid of moral faith in this neo-liberal some kind of model that actually has this as an avatar . that's when we get rid of this inside ourselves, and then we can freely discuss the questions that we put to each other, and on which we answer each other. this is the work that should take place inside the country so that this part of the political elite, including this part, gets rid of it, you understand, and if something has not been thought about before, to start thinking, because i understand that not all were to ready for it. it's okay not everyone expected it. but, if we do not start discussing this, nothing will happen, because here is another example for you. roughly speaking, here in russia we have a lot of golden eagles who burned on the maidan and so on and

so forth, and i don’t think so, but i know that many of them are ready and would go there, the only question they ask is the status . who are we, who are we, they ask and i ask all of us questions to myself too, but really, if they go there, they go there, as someone on behalf of, whom and in what is the correct question. to be honest, well, it’s absolutely not primitive, but russia came or russia came stayed once russia came left in the economic space or russia came left in the ruble space guarantees the life of the death of power, that is, you know, here artyom you said about the mountain that you need to see, but mountains can be different mountains. russia has nothing to do with the mountain, forgive me for being frank with the mountain. lnr garrossia is much higher and more visible from it, russia is not absolutely about ukraine at all the conversation does not go to that mountain until you

overcome the pass. you still won't get there. here , here, there is a tactical strategic development, you know, i heard it for the first time. uh, in a telegram they sent me about the fact that, well, we will rebuild everything here, it was said to mariupol and i have a question right there. this is nadezhda. and for what money? how will you rebuild? that is, here are the people about whom we talk all the time, who do not understand on the territory of ukraine. it's gotta, what's going on this studio don't hear what's out there nazis don't believe. they protect their homeland. at the same time, they are already watching us in ukraine. i know that in the kharkiv region they are watching us , and in the kherson region they are not watching us in this sense. when i talk here in the studio with you. i talk to these people too, because they also have a lot of questions and how we will give them answers, or at least together. let's start with this is very important. look here . can there be absolutely fascism with a liberal face absolutely, of course. can there be fascism with an absolutely green ideology,

which in europe walks absolutely? could a fascist with a christian democratic face and the vatican in the corner? maybe a question? what kind of fascism are we trying to defeat now? this is really a big mountain, which is very difficult to climb, and the person who sits in ukraine does not understand, he is not a nazi, he is not a fascist. yes, his homeland, it seems, was attacked, what should he do according to his character, mentality. as we say, they are brothers to us, which means they know how to cling to the ground in the same way. until we tell them, brother. we have come to have an honest conversation here. so the first. the first is that russia's security is a priority. in all these conversations from a point of view. this does not discuss the question, if you interfere with the security of russia and you are not negotiable, are you subject to destruction answer, yes? you are subject to destruction, but that's all that's it, tactfully now the negotiations. and tell me, please, all together. and how will we strategically survive in the future.