and pay for gas in rubles. well, now, actually, here's to your immediate topic. as you said, and dmitry peskov said in another commentary on this matter, this is, well, more humorous, and it seems to me, more clearly. but no, no money, no gas, in this case no rubles, no gas. accordingly, what are you as a specialist in this field. you see, options for the development of events from our side from their side and so on. if the clinch is what, how long and with what consequences, and so on, please, well, in fact, we understand that further sanctions, returning to johnson's statement that can be applied to russia they are no longer possible without causing serious damage to the europeans themselves. and accordingly, we are directly concerned here with gas supplies, because this is the most painful for the europeans. topics are obvious. what is our interest in maintaining trade with europe is the inflow of currency that we receive. uh, last year we

received about $60 billion from gas supplies this year, taking into account the market situation. this amount is significant. eh, i think it will still grow will grow, and at the same time the europeans. uh, uh, they are raising the bar and stiffness is quite serious and not by chance. by the way, we see the statement of political institutions that russia's proposal is not acceptable, thus the europeans do not give the opportunity. ah, the companies themselves. after all, by and large , gazprom has no contracts with countries. she has contracts with companies that are consumers, but when first the european union, the european, the commission is now there j7 and further on we hear the statement that this is unacceptable unacceptable. and that's a breach of contract. i say companies are already, of course, forced. uh, how to react and uh, say that well, they don't understand either. here was a very bright statement in

the same spirit of the head of the company of the italian discali, who said, i can not pay. e in rubles, because i don't know where to get these rubles. well, you understand, this is such an anecdote, as it were. well, you can call me and i'll explain the head was saying no, well, just the statement itself. they are exotic. i don't know where what is. well, in principle, of course, there is he. you see, konstantin valievich, what is he , he turns on a fool, because, well, i know this from my sources that a lot of italian companies, their leaders and representatives do not hide the fact that they left the russian market under a monstrous political pressure. this means that these companies also receive energy. it turns out that this pressure is in this sense, and i am asking, that is, how are the options for the development of events. they will still stand their ground and we will not pay on our own. let's cut off the gas, we won't cut off the gas. by the way, by the way, while no one hears, after all, in your opinion, our main goal is to force them to buy gas in rubles or force them to unfreeze our foreign currency accounts so that we can

continue to trade for, so to speak. well, i won't tell anyone. well, for me, no. it seems to me that we are solving, uh, such an important operational task. it is connected with the fact that there really was a threat. and by the way, you yourself quoted on one of the programs of the former ambassador mcfaul, who was laughed at by many there, but what did he say? he said, and what do you pay the russians? let's just they will supply gas and oil, and russia will actually freeze the money, because this scheme was implemented with iran, this is what was called oil exchange for food, when iran sold oil, and the money was credited to a special shart and cancer. eh, i beg your pardon. the same thing was immediately the same thing was all the same scheme. they also transferred money to and from these accounts. eh, they could only take for certain needs, and, accordingly, such an option was possible with us. accordingly, we primitively explained that we do not play such games, indeed. we will not supply gas for free. we are not wounded. not cancer. this does

not suit us at all. eh, there is already a question indeed. how many europeans are willing to go? how far they are ready to go, because i repeat once again without their own damage it is impossible to do this. that is, this is really a question, not just there. yes, there was an action recently in france for 5 minutes, the french turned off the light, which you can prove in russia. nobody noticed that they able to survive without russian gas. but this is still at the level of a joke, yes, but when in reality they collide, and people who are serious in business understand perfectly well that this is the day of industrialization. this is the destruction of steel foundry chemical industry destruction. it’s not just that there is some kind of reduction in consumption, it’s the collapse of european energy, and the hardest winter, which may be summer, when energy will be needed during the conditioning period, which will be missed. here is a major experiment. i don't really know what europeans, as they really are in a few days on the thirty-first. we recognize the pattern. yes, just a technical scheme, and then the details will begin, because now they are

raising it from a degree, but are all european countries really ready for this madness, they don’t plunge, given the dependence on how much the americans promise them, what do you say no they have alternatives to russian gas, except in the same industrialization, now the americans are totally, but it is exerting unprecedented pressure on the arabs from so that they increase oil and gas supplies, but in such volumes, the arabs. just not able to. many expensive ones are political. yes , therefore, the emirates said, maybe someone wants to go somewhere far, but they cannot have alternatives to russian gas in the near future, but now look. when we discussed ukraine and now you already said that a lot depends, and konstantin vasilyevich said about this that a lot depends, in fact, objectively on , well, what they will put pressure on and what they will to force, uh, states, it depends on what the negotiating position of ukraine will be, which we

talked about and, in fact, how far the europeans will be ready to go in shooting themselves in the foot then, respectively, the question is as follows. what do you think, what is the resource of the united states of america to drive the europeans even further into a state of shooting themselves in the foot, still go for a hard clinch with us to bring the valves to shut off with all the consequences. the americans have such leverage in the near future. there are no such there are no levers. and as regards, first of all, oil and gas, all the alternative options that are now being worked out by the europeans together with the americans. they are being worked out, they are designed for a longer term. they are for the near future. and we are still talking about the near future, the elections of the macron in april. in france, he cannot allow a sharp deterioration in the situation. in germany, yes, the elections have already taken place, but they are needed nonetheless. no, on the contrary, it is necessary to show that the new government is in control of the situation. and

here, too, again, the germans will not grow fat, and since we are talking about the coming weeks and months, he really is. eh, i think it's good here. there is more news for russia than bad news, and this is just very important, and we were going to discuss this topic, and it is all the more important to discuss it now, since all the news is relatively speaking from the ukrainian front. it's still just a part of this broad, this construction here, within the framework, somehow, of the story of the gas negotiations about the transition to rubles. and in general the story with the fact that we, it turns out that no one really needs them with their two percent of the economy. she's more important. what are you waiting for michael? in terms of development. this gas, i don’t know how to say, bargaining or clinch or what, you know, in order for the europeans to buy our rubles. they need to noticeably soften their own sanctions imposed against us. it needs it means, as they themselves

put it, to lose face and so on. but it means showing some independence in the face of american dictation. and here is our position. in general, win-win on the one hand, and our relationship after may 2, 1914 to europe is surprisingly close to the american attitude and the existence of europe is no longer a value for us, well, it’s just not a cultural value, yes, historical yes, the current political one is not for americans. here, the incitement of the conflict around ukraine had the practical task of eliminating the german industry, as competitors, the population is 4,5 times less than in the states, the export of goods is the same sometimes more, if not the germans turn out to be so unviable as to commit suicide? and we remember that we also said that germany needs nord stream 2. there is much more there than in russia, and we

see that in life. the area of ​​the germans, but this was not enough, they are not able to realize everything, but you will agree that in that situation, the manifestation, as you say, of vitality was connected more with the ability to talk about values ​​there, but as political history. now , when it comes to the fate of german industry and sorry about the mood of the mass german voter. this is a completely different story the german industry does not have, as we see on the choice of a direct influence on the political space of the german. american claire is an american clerk of the german captains of industry, who walked here with a puffed-up face, calling to themselves calling to themselves, but let's then, let's do it then, let's say we say that on february 24, 22, a lot of things began to change in the world. we and we this raises the question. and that cannot begin to change. maybe we say to the germans, the guys are european. sam

your fate in your hands want to live do. so you don't want to live. do it. yeah, we have no right to take your own choice for you. it 's not in our tradition. it is clear, yes, the elections in germany in which german industry, so to speak, did not matter until the moment when the question of life about the functioning of german industry began to be talked about. and now it has become now a completely different situation. here, not only german industry, but also the industry of a number of other countries and not only industry so, because it turned out to be under threat, the most important standard of living of ordinary europeans. there is such a thing called a social contract, within the framework of which people tolerate power, if the power provides them with enough volume to fill the refrigerator in europe, if now the power does not provide life spans, we understand the standard of living in europe and we spoke more than once in the fifteenth year, canceled the main one, but the main question is in the following, from what i understood from the explanations. the question is as

follows. is there an option that commercial companies that have to switch to rubles in order to buy this gas so that this industry does not collapse on it will go against political pressure or political pressure, it seems they cannot go any stronger. and this is through some kind of compromise, for example, to buy rubles through turkish intermediaries of other consequences to begin with. they must understand the scheme proposed by the russian side and under this scheme. they will adapt no one in europe will commit energy suicide. oh, look here. we every time we say this phrase, and we say it every time, she is such a shifter, then we say that they are committing energy suicide. and they make it that we say that no one will. if we say that no one will, then we say that they are carrying it is possible, and they said that we can make energy suicide abandon russian gas, do and at that moment they suddenly understand what to do? this is impossible. it’s clear, but we’re not sergeevich. in this kind of

game, we set a tough date, by the way, but it seems that now it was already in a past life, but i remind everyone that in november and december we set strict, but the framework that if our security proposals are not accepted, then there will be serious military military-technical responses all the same they say i remember how it is here. by the way, lord, how long ago it was standing here, it means that michael was standing here vasyura, only a smile remained in the air and they say, you are all that you are looking at in this situation. uh, this is very important about the hard date, and the thirty-first march, the central bank and gazprom must report to the president. yeah that is a technical point of view. here is this moment. i think everyone thinks about this about the key , that it turns on like this and so on. this moment, it's not march 31st. everyone should understand this, the second very important point from the point of view of reality. yes indeed europe without russian gas run five dash 7 years.

live about it. by the way, this is very important about reality, says the head of the european commission, who, unlike many politicians who forced to voice this narrative politically , he understands perfectly well what he will then have to do as an official. this is the whole story to disentangle not as a politician, who was not elected, and so on, the third very important point. right now it 's only a matter of whether we can provide. well, as they rightly said about our determination, yes, political determination, will it be concluded? this is also very important in the fact that we turn the valve, or there will be another political decision, time will tell. it our president actually sounds, but at the moment it is very important we all live in a reality in which russian gas goes to europe, we all live in a reality in which european business, european companies now and industry receive this gas, including through ukraine on the territory of ukraine and that's when this reality will change. well, simply, yes, these are the laws of simple logic and western rhetoric will be

completely. changed, so now the situation is really quite difficult for the europeans. i am i think that european companies will not find political subjectivity and voice to declare that well, we were given a statement, but we don’t receive it, unfortunately, you don’t work. it will be necessary a little somewhere and with the negative consequences of a lack of gas and politics and industry in relatives. european. we haven’t encountered yet, that is, in other words, do i understand you correctly, but so that later we don’t have the thirty-first again. these catastrophic ones, that means all these ones, well, what did we fail again, that is, thirty on the first of march and even on april 1, you do not have to wait for the switch to turn off. that is, it will be the provision of the very first number. we voiced the scheme and spoke guys. so, here, whoever wants, you can do this for some time and then for some time. so, we give those who wish to work according to this scheme on reflection. it says that in a month it will be delayed from the thirty-first and the first as far as this time. so is the president.

sure, hopefully not for long. in fact, it seems to me that one of the main fronts of confrontation ours is now with the west. in this case , the west announced to us these economic sanctions. we will add you there, break it down, and so on and so forth. well, and our response story with gas mikhail, i still want to ask you, so konstantin vasilyevich and i were talking, while no one heard. i asked him this question. but still, our main goal in this confrontation with the americans, the west with europe is still to force them to pay in rubles, or by putting them in a situation where they cannot pay in rubles unfreeze our money, that is, after all. how do you understand our tactics strategy, whatever. in general, i believe the official statement, maybe it's not fashionable, but we were not told that

we demand the unfreezing of our international reserves. yeah, we don't say return the stolen money. so we are talking completely different guys and the dollar and the euro. what we give you we get from you will be in danger every minute, so please pay the rub. that is, a strategic course for rubles, a strategic course for rubles. it firstly, it qualitatively increases the efficiency of using the currency, inside the country the oligarchs will be able to buy yachts on them only with the permission of the russian state. at least within, so to speak, some companies. and secondly, this is an increase in the stability of the foreign exchange market to the extent that it exists within the country, how will this happen? let's just, let's look at the chronology. here, some absolutely fair things were said by sergeevich, which means that on march 31, the report of the government of the bank of russia the president, unless of course they fit in on what mechanism they have developed. whatever the president does not propose, he accepts and or not accepts,

because he can be sent to work, let's say that he accepts then a transitional period is given, because in any case, some time is running out. excuse me for signing papers. for the first time, how many papers were talked about here, you need to delve into this scheme, then he needs to say, guys, rubles - this is this, read the paper, this is here you come here, contact this window put this certificate, here and so on. this is some time help funny. i think that if we start discussing information about the windows. it may take a long time for them to say so, no, but this is awareness i hope we will not go forward, let's give it a simple roadmap, as the italian mafia says, we must do. now. truth. this is what european officials say. so yes, or either four-window or fifty-five, it's not critical. further time, well, in a good way, weeks, but maybe , naturally, they will be longer speak. oh, sorry, we misunderstood here. and here

we wrapped the herring, and we lost this fact. explain to us in more detail and here, too, everything depends on our position at some point, these wonderful companies. they will say no, guys, you know, we really want to. but we can’t. we have an older brother here on our site and at that moment we have to turn the valve on and after some time they go there is an intermediate option, which i really don’t like, but it is possible when they take some some bulgaria or really some turkey or someone else, and they will buy this country rubles for the entire european union yeah, we absolutely do not need to agree to this option. well, let's see how difficult it is, perhaps you will do what to add though comments? yes, a few comments, so, uh, about just the technical side. actually. we are well aware that it is not so difficult to buy gas for rubles. again, this is just a fantasy that, uh, allows european

companies. well, as it were, well, to play for time. well, how would show their shareholders that this scheme is impossible, but in fact. the question is, what really turns out to be colossal political pressure that we do not allow to do this, but in fact there is nothing there. i don’t even fully agree with mikhail that sanctions should be violated there, they shouldn’t be violated to transfer money to her daughter in russia, she buys. uh, rubles on the stock exchange and we pay gazprom, but now they pay gazprom in euros. for this, there is nothing for anyone to have daughters in russia, everyone has it for everyone. there is daughters. everyone has daughters. all subsidiaries in russia have accounts in russian banks. all this is all this in fact, they know very well that in case there are two large italian banks operating in moscow, it is not a problem at all. this problem is completely solvable, so really the whole question. that is, yes, by the way, there, by the way, there is on the thirty-first day, and then a month later the report is really a question of

timing, that we should send new contracts there, discussion will begin, but the key question will come sometime, i really want what mikhail correctly said that there is, the united states which pushes the europeans to this suicide, and they push them away and they still need to either, uh, commit this economic suicide and just take this courage to say, well, listen, well, this is already too much. now just because you and you mentioned this very elder brother. i really, uh, i don't know, that's probably not even an older brother. and what is the name of the great- uncle. e, that is, this is when here is the owner, yes, the owner, yes, the great-uncle, and so, as it were, that concerns the great-uncle, okay, we saw. e johnson who says that no-no-not there we talk as you want, we will build up. uh, economic pressure, but push push push. yes, the fact is that there is more and means, respectively, here is the same, grandfather joe 's cousin, and which actually presses and that's

what it is. eh, the game and whether this is his main game, many questions arise, because look at him, everyone ran into him for these words there about the butcher about his criminal and so on and so forth and here comes an interesting point. i would really like to know who are the authors, cheat sheets, cheat sheets cheat sheet, he just has it in his hands. here it was , as it were, filmed, that is, someone writes a cheat sheet to the president of the united states, in which it is written, which means, uh, heavy, and questions, and therefore answers. so, how it's all the more serious this is, as it were, filmed. if someone does not believe that he is working on this cheat sheet. here is a piece of his answers to journalists' questions, which prove that he scratches exactly on it, please. do you really think, as you said, that putin should not stay in power,

or do you now regret that you said so, because your government is now trying to back down. so those are the first three questions. i do n't back down from anything. the fact is that i expressed my righteous indignation at what putin is doing against the actions of this man. not then , not now, i did not call for a change in the political system. i expressed my inner indignation. and i do n't apologize for that. i still want to go back to what you said verbatim that he could not stay. the authorities had a personal opinion or not. you understand that people believe that your position is in the hands of a man who has the largest nuclear arsenal in the world. this is the official position of the united states and the second does not bother you how the russians can use it. this is for their own propaganda. no and no. and now the question, which means that some people write cheat sheets for him, but a question arises. they write him

only cheat sheets of answers, or they write a lot of other things to him. and so when we say, right there older brother, there is biden america, we generally have in mind who are those who put these words into his mouth first, then these cribs of answers. uh, this is pressure on the europeans and so on. he is a player or maybe he is also a toy and that's it. this is an american state. maybe it’s also a toy whose hands are still biden, rather a player, but he also relies on what the special services write to him and everything that is captured, it shows that biden’s reservations are not really reservations, and this was with the very beginning. it's still from last year was when biden allegedly made a reservation and said something. he is my personal opinion, and in some cases, even after the broadcast, he was cut down. knocked down, yes, uh, but it's actually deeply thought out. in my opinion, the position and

line that the majority of europeans fundamentally disagree with, it frightens them very much, because they feel in their gut that what america is doing against russia is actually a boomerang to hit not america, but europe, but nobody cares about their insides, and when i i ask about those people with slava, this, unfortunately, is a fact, listen, now we have already put aside their weak insides. we understand that here the weak insides, the lack of subjectivity, is everything we have been talking about for a long time, but there is a certain force that has certain tools that are either biden and some ben group or stand behind them and above them it is clear this and the military-industrial complex it’s not the gas sector of america, it’s clear that they want to cash in on this, that it’s not just political, only the military -industrial complex would be only neftegaz still, he knows how to count money and live pragmatically it was one thing, but after all, behind the biden there is a huge liberal, globalist

elite who still dreams that the united states can return their unipolar world, which is what biden was talking about. recently, we will again create a unipolar world, where america will be in the lead in this problem, practically america's resources are physical resources. the americas are incapable of realizing a unipolar world again. but this liberal globalist elite does not understand this. she pushes the byte on there, he goes behind the position of the american she pushes biden, where with these words, with these words, including about putin, which pay attention to, all were american journalists. it's not that you know russia today there is a satellite. they are no longer allowed to ask questions. these are their american journalists. so slightly podofili from what it means, so he says, yes, it also raises the question of this someone or something, it pushes him in this story, where driven by his fantasies. they push him into the abyss, because after such words it is politically driven by his fantasies, they push him to help. i think these people are not driven by fantasy. and, as it were

, about the abyss. they don't think. they are doing something concrete, they are building some kind of line in the united states in the person of biden with regard to russia, allegedly about ukraine , in fact, of course, not about ukraine and about russia and not about russia. here again, here is the question. about readiness. i believe that there is just the readiness of the buy-in and the only problem is that there the gevorka disagrees with you , no one thinks in categories. europe came to the abyss america came to the abyss. no , they are doing everything to make the abyss approach, russia. that is why there is maximum pressure on europe, and look, it is very important that they announced a new round of sanctions pressure. a new one was recently told by europeans and, in fact, even by americans, that it seems that all sanctions mechanisms have already been exhausted. well, at least barrel said that we entered everything that we could only enter, but then it connects again. america appears another sanctions round sanctions push, proceeding from this. well, here, in my opinion, again, i am not some kind of auramist, but this is

in an attempt to destroy within this first really. europe will fall, because this crisis is energy and political and so on. he will reformat europe very much, but within the framework of this, again, look at history, as always, america has become tempered. when somewhere there is chaos , when somewhere this is all, of course. all i have, i still have a very specific question. that's roughly speaking, but these e, alarmed even by american journalists and the american elite, biden’s careless and such hostile statements about putin are within the framework of some line, and then, how do we understand this line or is it some kind of oversight, so to speak, for which he is now a matter of principle, because that if he says this within the framework of some line, we need to understand what kind of line it is. yes, and how far, they are ready to advance within this line. despite the fact that he now denies it. yes, your understanding means, er. what

politics was occupied by the united states of america and those shadow masters who actually stand behind all these guys of the elite, until even this military operation and even until the fourteenth year, their common ideological line, which is sometimes expressed by our progressive public, on which we sometimes there we laugh like clowns, but they have a clear one wording. they consider russia to be an empire that has not collapsed, which must be allowed, so this is the main strategic task. russia decided not fall apart, but decided to do it, on the contrary, decided to recover. moreover, the question is not only the restoration of our national unity, which we are trying to implement in ukraine , but we are talking about revising the entire global world order. we used to be laughed at. and who is there, what kind of allies does russia have there, well, there the dprk may be siri well, it’s funny not the ship

venezuela but today china stands behind russia but today russia stands for itself, but now it coincides, but our interests coincide on this historical stage, and we act together and you are the answer to the question. why did everything happen today, because russia does not act alone, and mikhail briefly in the world there are three groups of capital financial speculative he leaves the stage. uh, he's the one betting on biden. he needs the most finely fragmented world, the most chaotic, the most unstable, it converges from the historical stage. it will be it will take 10 years instead of it comes capital in social platforms digital capital and real capital sector, no matter how ridiculous, which needs large stable spaces. so this is financial speculative capital. today, yesterday, by the hands of other people, tomorrow, by the hands of third parties, they are trying to destroy russia, firstly, for the maximum aitization of the world

again. this task is not hidden by anyone and is hidden , among other things, because after the destruction of russia it will be possible to destroy the chinese, it is impossible to destroy in this construction you outlined. when you say, they set the task of destroying russia, what is meant by the destruction of russia. here are the people now they are sitting in front of the tv and saying, well, that's what it means to destroy russia russia or to haiti, the situation is when the maidan occurs or he or the maidan occurs in ukraine as a comrade biden, he says directly, i appeal to the russian people. yeah well, there in other words, so that he overthrows this government. yes, that is, for hatezation to occur, it is clear that in the conditions he let it slip. he blabbed. he said too.