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on the air of the big game, we are discussing the nato ministerial summit, which is taking place today in brussels, and where more and more voices are heard , great britain has joined them in the desire to inflict a military defeat on russia in ukraine and in this regard, i want to emphasize that, unlike iraq and afghanistan, for the united states, ukraine for russia is an existential issue , representatives of the russian leadership, including the highest level, have said this unambiguously and many times, therefore

it is impossible to inflict a local defeat on russia in an existential issue for it. by definition, we are talking about a nuclear power and about relations between nuclear powers and in this connection. i would rather ask or call on our westerners. uh, how they were accepted recently name partners? and remember the story, eh. and this is very correct. in my opinion. this thing was said by one of the greatest presidents of the united states of the 20th century, john fitzgerald kennedy, a few months after the caribbean crisis, when the world really hung in the balance from nuclear war. and here's what e. kennedy said in his speech, which he delivered at american university at american university in june, uh, 63 years old, listen in protecting their own vital interests, a nuclear power must

to prevent such confrontations that put the enemy before a choice between a humiliating retreat and nuclear war; to choose such a path in the nuclear age would only be evidence of the bankruptcy of our policy, or the manifestation of the collective death instinct of the whole world. well, i 'm afraid, it's true, maybe kennedy didn't study it and it's not possible and didn't read and didn't hear this speech, but it's time. uh, it seems to me to study the history of the cold war, and including this saying. and john fitzgerald kennedy well i must say that the biden administration today. so far, such statements, such as what the rhinestones have made, are not making, but nevertheless, the rhetoric and actions of the biden administration indicate that it intends to wage a war of attrition, yes, and drag it out as much as possible military operation in ukraine and thereby inflict. more and more, but the damage to russia and yet another proof of this course, but

it happened today, but tonight in moscow and yesterday, in american time, the united states senate unanimously approved bill. about lend lease for ukraine, it is important to remember what a lend list is. yes, this is the program that the united states adopted, and before its entry into the second world war, if my memory serves me in march, uh, forty-one before the attack on pearl harbor, but this program involved the provision by the united states of a large number weapons of military equipment and the soviet union and european countries, countries, and members of the anti-hitler coalition. that is, the land fox was largely a replacement direct. fortunately, the united states in the war against nazi germany and militaristic

japan and fascist italy, and then after the united states began to fight e, entered the second world war, the lend list continued in parallel with participation. uh, the united states in this war. yes, that is, in fact. now the united states is, as it were, indirectly yes indirectly entering the war. if this, but the bill is signed, and by the president baid, also at this same ministerial meeting today. and nato general secretary hey, stolplenberg. he said that from now on, the north atlantic alliance should not make a distinction between offensive and defensive weapons and substitute offensive weapons for ukraine, and not only and not so much defensive weapons, and i want to ask our military expert alexei petrovich lyankov what this threatens us with and whether it can ? list of deliveries of offensive weapons to somehow change the situation at the front. can this pose a threat

to russia and what should we do in this regard, in terms of dragging out the conflict that nato countries are counting on, there may be a lend-liss and other programs for the supply of weapons, maybe they would have played what they are counting on, but the fact is that with the supply of weapons, even offensive ones should be supplied and trained. uh, combat crews of military equipment. there are technicians for tank crews and so on, because if you supply equipment, you need to master it professionally. i didn't even just study his movement. it is also necessary to work out the combat coordination of these new units, which will to be created, which will be, uh, these weapons will be supplied and this will take time, which may be prepared for certain, let's say there , method of warfare, but they are unlikely to make any significant contribution, because time works against them, if we say what

is now taking shape on the line of contact, for example, in the donbass, then when ours were cleared, the raisins of its surroundings. soldiers of the army surrendered to them as prisoners, uh, ukraine, who were recruited by mobilization events about a month ago, that is, this indicates that the personnel reserve. uh, the trained personnel reserve, which was prepared by nato specialists over ukraine, ended exactly the one that goes to the east. uh, and they are now recruiting everyone and accordingly, of course. eh, this is the militia dressed, although the uniforms are somehow equipped. it cannot offer serious resistance to the more prepared, but to the military group, to the groups of the russian army and the luhansk donetsk people's republics, therefore, of course, here are the deliveries. they may be and will be carried out, but everyone forgets. that doesn't

take into account one important factor. we said that all military supplies on the territory of ukraine, as soon as they do not cross its border, become military targets by law, and not to go far, as they say, for words. we started to prove it in deeds. for example, and at the lozovoe station near kharkov it was destroyed, the railway junction in which it shot, including the military equipment concentrated there, the same thing happened in nikolaev. next will be take place in all places of possible deliveries of equipment, because, for example, to drive it under its own power. e, due to the fact that there is a shortage, and fuel is not cost-effective. and you need to bring them to the place of combat contact and somehow there, so that it participates in hostilities. but if you block all these routes, then all this help will accumulate on certain ones. on certain hauls and it is clear that these haul stations will become the very goal for which

our vks and our high-precision weapons, so of course desire. west they are extensive. they want to continue this conflict, as long as possible, but uh, time is also working against them, due to the fact that those sanctions that have not been imposed against the russian federation are already working against them and just recently. you and i watched the picture when unpleasant questions were asked in the head of the pentagon. you told them there. one senator told them, the galher, it seems, said that you - he said, promised that everything would be over in 36 days. that is, they expected that in 36 days they will make these sanctions there. eh, the operation does not end in favor of itself, and e america there and the countries of europe begin to experience serious difficulties. associated not only with the prices for hydrogen, but also with food, and so and plus more refugees who came from the territory of ukraine to the european union.

they also cause a lot of problems. and here is this tangle of problems, it is only growing and they are still saying, let's invest in the military economy. let's supply that weapon. well okay, they'll put it on, but it won't bring the desired effect, so, of course, the initiative is interesting, but the most interesting next one will be who will pay for it? because this is the power that now represents the occupying forces in ukraine against which they are fighting against their own people, and they must have some kind of power. er, well, let's say a bag of money. yes, this is during the great patriotic war. we paid gold for the lend-list, if ukraine has gold. of course, they can say that this fleet of reserves can act as this gold, who was not frozen in their accounts, but will it save ? let's just say ukraine most likely not, but on the other hand, it will untie their hands in order to

take this gold. we'll just see a double robbery. uh-huh , a double robbery that they'll try to take this gold from us. that is, in fact, they will rob us, but on the other hand. they will set up ukraine, which will lose all its statehood. you very correctly mentioned from the plot of sanctions. uh, today the european union will again try to accept the same notorious the fifth package of sanctions, which he could not accept yesterday, but because germany acted as a troublemaker, which is not ready for an immediate refusal to import russian coal. and apparently, a decision will be made to continue importing russian coal. moreover, apparently at an increasing pace, at least until august. ah, this year, but uh, at the same time. yes, we see that how difficult it is for europeans to accept a wife. sanctions a, but nevertheless today jose barrel uh, high representative uh

the european union on foreign policy announced that next week, and the european union will begin to discuss the issue of an oil embargo against russia, that is, it is already clear that there are very serious problems with the coal barge. no , you have to go to the oil bank, and i want to ask. uh, vasily georgievich, firstly, the european union has reached the maximum limit, uh, in sanctions. and secondly, in general, how can you explain, but this is strange. in my opinion, the behavior of europeans. after all, even the discussion itself new sanctions packages, and against russia they demonstrate their disunity demonstrates that they are not able to agree among themselves. well, it is much more important for them to discuss than to accept sanctions in the present conditions, because they have already adopted quite a lot, and it is important to discuss in order to show the kiev regime. the same cohesion yes, readiness, readiness, and

to accept sanctions, readiness to strike at the russian economy. uh hmm while the real some kind of threshold yes here is the threshold of acceptable for the european union of sanctions, it has been passed for a very long time. in principle, it would be reasonable for them to limit themselves to e lists. yes, that is, a ban on the entry of a certain number of russian military officials, some restrictions for top managers of state corporations, and, uh, limit yourself and not get into this fight, but let the united states act more independently and the british also take the rest distance to discuss options to make a statement to collect humanitarian aid. even this question dispatch, and weapons. yes, they could also do this with respect to ukraine, because what they have done has already caused damage, first of all, of course, to the european economy. this is me only capitals aside. in the united states of america, this is both high enough inflation, and in many

cases a shortage of consumer goods, simply because european citizens have already guessed what is happening. they realized that inflation here, maybe higher than the world one, and they need to sweep away and stock up, that this is not happening with the ruble catastrophe, and the catastrophe occurs in the eurozone, first of all, and every man for himself in such a situation. so, the threshold of acceptable sanctions has long been passed, but they still cannot stop, because for them it is a matter of life and death in the true sense of the life and death of the european union, that is, we perceive this situation as a fight against the united states with nato but for the european top. this is a question. uh, not quite pronate not quite enlightened, the united states, this question about that will generally exist european union in the next 10 years or not? or will it collapse and the european union, gaining vitality through expansion? east the eastern campaign of such a new format they received , uh, the space that the warsaw

pact left. then they rushed to the territory of the former soviet union, which caused justified indignation in moscow when they carried out a coup d'état. uh, in kiev in the fourteenth year. it was already very strongly bold and further attempted a coup d'état in belarus in the twentieth year. so here this policy. it's over, it's exhausted itself and the skating rink can go in the opposite direction, so uh, they're looking for it. hmm. yes, they look here, if they go for tough sanctions on coal on oil, uh, well. they understand that it will hit their economies, but they would like to be sure that it will hit us, but it turns out that it does not hit. it turns out that there is no point, and hence also the length of the discussion. we will continue to discuss european union nato policy and the situation. e in ukraine after a short break nobody. find out the premiere of a multi-part film, watch after the time program if there is one

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on the air of the big game, we are discussing the nato ministerial meeting, which is taking place today in brussels this is the most important meeting on the eve of the summit in madrid, which will be held this summer, and one of the priorities of today's meeting is certainly to strengthen the deterrence of china, and it is assumed that in the future strategic concept of nato, china will be listed as a threat to the north atlantic alliance, a comma after russia, and by the way , say, and in this meeting today, in addition to the foreign ministers of nato countries, there are also the foreign minister of japan, south korea, australia and new zealand and we have already said recently that at the same time the united states is striving to strengthen the

tripartite military bloc ukus that they created. recently, just to contain china, one of the priorities of the aukus work will be the creation of hypersonic weapons and protection against them, but still noticing. the news came this morning. nancy palacey , speaker of the united states house of representatives, third person in the hierarchy in the us government hierarchy. and after the president and vice president, she's going to visit this weekend. taiwan taiwan yes and that's it, in my opinion. this is the clearest illustration of strategic madness. perhaps an illustration of the fact that human civilization and history itself do justice to those. who imagines themselves to be, uh, the leaders of the whole world, but because it’s to assume that simultaneously with the ukrainian military crisis, the united states

will now shake the situation in taiwan and push china to some decisions. that's except for strategic strategic madness. it 's impossible to explain it dmitry e, gabitovich. as think countries? the madness of the strategic plan is quite logical, by the way, we are now very serious, as it were, against the background, of course, against china, an active campaign is beginning china, as it were, strategic partners. they are now trying to dig. uh, accordingly, the economic prospects for interaction with india , here is pakistan now, accordingly, a coup has taken place, as if you were insane, i doubt something, the strategic bar, which is connected with trying to chop off, as it were, from the eastern prospects. now china is in a folded position. he is very much dependent on the russian federation, as it were, but with all this, trying not to be subject to sanctions. here, accordingly , it expands the supply of energy carriers, but it tries to make a kular, in fact, quite strongly. now is a good opportunity for the chinese people to, uh, seriously, like a war, the potential for raising the question of anyone on taiwan, plus everything you need to understand that we have a subsistence election, which all the other republicans already have, judging by the senate is being merged with everything at such a pace, the more there have already been three senators who have spoken out against personnel

appointments that they make directly, including the well-known, as it were, and we are talking, and, accordingly, the spectrum of labor. that is the reason for west virginia. that is, the reason will now be sorted out in 2022. here they need a consolidating effect, a consulting effect. china i a simple story with us since the situation is dragging on, respectively, in the ukrainian direction, then under this story, respectively, now toxic relations with china, which, in principle , is happening now and there will be an attempt to cut it out. now this opportunity is done very well. well, that is, as it were, it is very well visible. that's because already in a few years, how would it be doing quite difficult. plus , we understand everything perfectly well, when the midterm elections are held, the americans will again go to the internal agenda. now, if someone is there approximately, you understand, it is happening there, respectively, it will happen there, respectively, as if the game of duck temples will be in closely under the code of 24 years. for some time, they will, as it were, close down in the fact that for an internal trip there the first thing they are going to write there is to announce there, it’s just that with the ceiling of the state long time it will appear absolutely exactly that’s accordingly, it can be a shadow, by the way, therefore, from this point vision. no matter how the window of opportunity is now and while it corresponds, this issue will not be resolved and , accordingly, there is no solution yet, but some kind of ultimatum

decision in the ukrainian direction, respectively, an attempt to push through china will intensify, as an attempt to push through india as an attempt is being sold. naturally, pakistan to all other partners. and here, respectively, dragged. and the fact that we have recently tried to bury everything together, by the way, his economy is our raw material, which, respectively, is raw material, which is gas-father, respectively, oil-matushka. here is mother, this is all that she is pulling out now, and therefore she is now not cut out, not reset, not thanks to our, respectively, technologies, not thanks, respectively, to ours, as it were, respectively, in supplies. whatever it is here and, accordingly, a little thanks to the target dependence, which we have been nurturing this whole thing for a long time and finally, as it were, thanks to this our impact, we got our influence on the economy. that's what he is holding us back from putting heavy weapons there, in fact , quite serious exactly this, therefore, from this point of view. that's it. on this game, it is necessary now, therefore, firstly , to make, as it were, more substantive decisions of the direction, and secondly, most importantly, it is necessary to play seriously on external fields on external markets. if we think he'll just reschedule this process. this is a very, very, very big misconception. yes, they have not entered, for example,

oil, but they will enter financial organizations. they will simply start to beat them out of sberbank , respectively, the icd, respectively, the scheme with gazprom bank. they are stubborn gas oil but they are particularly strong financial components, if we do not build here. the system will sit waiting, as if the corpse of its enemy, then these pipes, most likely, will be us, well, i agree, of course, with the desire to what you said about the desire of the united states to somehow isolate china, to impose on china, but i think americans should understand that china has changed in recent years, and it no longer follows deng xiaoping’s precept to sit and not stick out and not to demonstrate its power, chinese foreign policy and defense policy is becoming much more offensive power and self-confidence and i am afraid that the united states, if they want to scare china now, they may backfire and get into the situation. now let's move on to ukraine, and our military observer yuri

ivanovich podyako is in direct contact with us. hello yuri ivanovich tell us how the dynamics work. how is the military operation developing? what's new do you know now while everything is getting ready for the big battle in donbass, the most interesting thing is happening at the state headquarters today, two pieces of news came at once, which, in general, allow you to see. uh, well, as if the situation through the eyes of the general staff, the height of the leak from the president's office, and they talk about what, firstly, american british military experts who are advisers. they are all there with one voice. they say that the army should be withdrawn from the donbass, because it will face an unambiguous defeat. and with this, judging by the leaks , the head of the general staff of the all-ukrainian union fully agrees, and they believe that it is necessary to organize a new line of defense in the dnipropetrovsk and zaporozhye regions, and the army needs to be urgently withdrawn from the donbass, but they do not take into account one very important essential moment that keeps actually sun today . this is the hysteria of the information field, which imprisoned at the bottom, we do not retreat anywhere. we are advancing everywhere. soon we will win the psychological

effect. how this will affect the soldiers in the forest and the population is impossible to predict unambiguously will fall unambiguously. there will be a decline and the most important thing is just to take and withdraw this army from the bag. now this half bag is no longer possible. she will definitely lose a huge amount of technology, she will definitely lose a huge amount of people, and this will definitely lead to disaster. and today we received a message that the leadership of the political in this case, the leadership of the country of ukraine, in this case, it ordered wolkinstaba to prepare an operation to defend kiev, that is, they already give you a report that in general the situation is developing very negatively for them and sooner or later the russians will return and the general staff received them from leaks, and not from any -something of the president's team to prepare a new defensive operation, that it may even occur in their opinion this current year, that is, these two remarks are very important and they are very, right, one can agree with them nonetheless. it's real assessment of the situation. and here i would like to separately

draw attention to a very interesting point. why are they talking so much about kherson today to shake up the situation with information, because for the portion agenda of ukraine it is very important to break kherson e, break the only regional center that today is completely controlled by the russian federation and where peaceful life is absolutely peaceful life people live normally everything is very much in contrast with what happens in any other city. especially next to nikolai is the same regional center, there are people live in a nightmare, but in kherson everything is fine. it is for this reason. they go out of their way to break this situation in kherson, peaceful kherson, and they don’t have military forces, and therefore they turn to special operations precisely to escalate the situation, that is, a lot. today. i want to immediately appeal to the citizens of the russian federation in the coming days. you will receive a huge number of all sorts of fakes about the fact that everything is bad there. everything will give up. again, i know a lot of fakes come about from the environment invasion of russia belgorod are all fakes. they, uh,

hysterics will hysteria in order to shake the internal stability of russia and absolutely agree with the previous speaker. i just completely agree about the fact that they will now do everything to bury the russian federation inside and they really won’t attack china. there is no other choice, in fact , thank you very much, yuri ivanovich ah. alexey petrovich comment. do you agree with this, in your opinion, i will supplement this information with the fact that, of course, it is still going through ukrainian channels that the cities that are now under the control of the armed forces of ukraine near donetsk kramatorsk slavyansk and severodonetsk and even kharkov have received instructions that the population needs to be evacuated. well, uh, everyone thinks that there will be no evacuation of civilians , first of all, all authorities should disappear . uh, everyone who was even responsible for the performance of these, but cities. that is, they begin the evacuation. e, this is already confirmed by the fact

that e mood here in this zone is on extreme degree, because until a certain time there was information. the fact that these groups hold on, we are winning on the fronts, it turns out that there is no victory, and, uh, there is a shortage of personnel, that is, there are no trained personnel who could supplement the losses that occur in the donbas zone very bad with ammunition very bad with fuel and lubricants that is, in principle, this grouping has difficulties in that even if it enters these from there, it has an organized way out of this tactical environment, which now does not succeed. there is a steppe, there are a lot of open spaces, but to make an organized exit. this must be ensured, for example, cover from air attacks - these are military complexes, but they are knocked out mobile air defense systems and are now methodically knocked out. uh, complexes such as the s300 beech m1a, in addition to this, some other

air support needs to be organized in order, for example, to interfere with our bcs to process these columns that will be organized. give this zone it is clear that an attempt to leave it will be just uh, basic escape escape and rout, so more sober heads think they'll sit out in this zone. yes, a favorable moment when help comes from the west in the form of military equipment and large forces that we promised them. nato here but in reality it sounds completely different, that this grouping is doomed as well as those forces that are sent to help it. well , the more successfully the russian special operation develops, the more counterattacking and even self-destructive, the more self-destructive, and becomes the policy of the collective west, but also every day it becomes more and more obvious that the leadership influence of this collective west for its