it would be if we began to massively evacuate people. of course, you must understand that we would crush them with tanks. well, in general, the arrestovich admitted that people are needed, like a living shield, and so, when people gathered yesterday at kramatorsk, we saw these shots of a lot of very people. there, just crowds of people were going to leave the city yesterday, yes, and today, all of a sudden. this is another provocation of a training manual of an arrest officer and please believe me, when we see this, our heart breaks no less than yours. it's just this just a scary repetition not only scary because of the high death toll, but scary set up these people are ready to go. it's just like what kind of cattle you need to turn into, and what kind of cattle you need to turn in order to organize such provocations, so let's go with rodion miroshnik. now let's talk to us directly. and adviser to the head of the lpr rodion, hello. long live. let's still not from the situation in the republic, but from this story from kramatorsk to me,

it's just absolutely. well, i don’t know how kobukham head stunned, i repeat, not because not because there are a huge number of corpses. it 's terrible. it's scary, because i can't imagine what is what, maybe people can reach such cynicism or whatever they call it now, please. anatoly you are absolutely right, because cynicism is at the head of power here. that is, they are already accustomed to carrying out provocations, which in fact do not correlate, in fact, with reality scare, uh, the west and disperse in the western media. i think that what you and i are well aware of is that there are no such missile systems in service with the energy of the dpr , point o in principle, there are no such missile systems in service with the russian federation now, then is from our side. it couldn’t have been delivered there, that is, it was initially stated that this was iskander a, that is, according to our data, these are somewhere around two missiles. they flew in kramatorsk and exploded. they were

shot down or it worked, after all, a cassette charge, which was there by the number of people who died, who were injured, who were injured. that is, most likely, that these charge was it worked, but initially. that is, they probably did not plan that a fragment would fly, by which it would be possible to accurately identify what kind of rocket it was, that is, a rocket.u is a rocket of ukrainian origin, ukrainian production. nothing else there. eh, it's impossible to imagine, but what's the difference for a western reader, the second. uh, what is being formed on the territory now donbass, cauldron donbass cauldron, which goes from rubizhne on our territory up to kramatorsk donbass cauldron, which is now being formed. i really hope that it will be closed in the near future, but for the ukrainian authorities the big problem is that

people leave from where, that is, they leave to live, it’s not people who leave because these are our people, who we we consider our people. these are the people who live on the territory of the donetsk people's republic, so now our heart hurts with you but, but for them they are absolutely true. resource approach, that is, these are people who can be used as shields. i was at the boundary all day yesterday. this is the beginning of this donbas boiler. i can say for sure that from the ukrainian side severodonetsk-re. now it is almost impossible to travel abroad from there with civilians. people leave only when we start opening. street behind street quarter after the quarter only then lida and people get some loopholes, and they get out and go to the assembly point and from there, for example. here , the ministry of emergency situations of the lc to take people out of the military area where hostilities are taking place. there they are already determined to come to their senses and get some kind of. there they are fed, heated, and receive some minimal medical care and then sent either to lugansk, or to the old believers, or

beyond. that is, there in the direction of the voronezh rostov regions. this is what's happening now, therefore, i believe that this is an absolutely purposeful action. and they want to keep people on this territory, it is important for them to constantly declare that hundreds of thousands, and there hundreds of thousands of people still remain, in territories that are controlled by ukrainian forces. they are leaving this territory of the donbas boiler, and which in any case will be liquidated and dismantled, and they need to leave these people here. e as a bill, so now they have taken, that is, there is hysteria, there people understand, they watch programs, they already see your programs, because they partially break through, and through the line of contact, because now the transmitters are already working. but they see. they know what is expected. they see that this cauldron is predetermined, so now the ukrainian authorities. she tries in every possible way to keep people just as a shield for nothing else, so they should not have been allowed to leave. they need to block the exits of people from

the territory. in this case, from armature and sell this picture. well figure expression for western child. you also know what happened to me right away. naturally, you have a phone. this is the most continuous screeching, because they came, but fell down through the information agency, i look, and there is still there and the bbc, in my opinion, the new york times. and the guardian, i also follow a lot of people, i read and carefully study. right there, it simply means that the russian was hit in the center. kramatorska means russian missile. russian rocket flew tra-ta-ta. ta-ta-ta. all all at the same time about the russians hit the missiles and everything, guys, the picture you are talking about, the picture has been formed, the headings already have to be scribbled already . they've already left. this, of course, i don’t know me, i would say, there’s just nothing in a nutshell. rodion will be good. what is the situation in his republic now? by the way, you mentioned rubezhnoye. and i still can’t get out of my head another attempt at chemical provocations. do you remember with the explosion

of some kind of cistern in the boundary around rubizhne and what is the situation with this damn cloud? the situation is now on the territory of rubizhne itself, about 2/3 of the territory of the city, it a large part of this is a controlled area where there is a massive multi-storey building. it is controlled by the people's militia of the lc, and there are fights going on for every street, they are now approaching the industrial zone. these are the zarya southern dye factories. they are located on the other side of the severodonetsk-lysichansk border - these are chemical and petrochemical centers, that is, on the territory of these plants there may well be reserves of various chemicals. most of them are poisonous. it's uh, there's both ammonia and acids in there. that is, in this case, the explosion was, which was 2 days back. this is nitric acid, and according to our chemist , they monitor how the situation develops, that is, an explosion occurred, a thermal reaction forced it to form. here is the cloud. it rose higher and glory. god didn't rain at that moment. yes, that

is, this cloud rose, it was blown away towards starobilsk , that is, into our controlled territory, but there was no precipitation. therefore , the process of decomposition is now taking place, therefore, well, i hope, just that, but there will be no consequences, namely, from this explosion. there rather large stocks, so now the guys are also working very carefully, because, let's say, to hit some container, which is located at these plants, that is, the consequences can be really very very serious. thereafter. but no, it means that our command understands what is at stake, that is, the tasks that the armed guys face at the front. she is on the front line they understand which side they are deployed these a reserves are, therefore, well, probably this partly explains why a is moving so slowly in the cleansing, in particular, frontier yes, i understood the guys. thank you very much rodionushnik was with us in direct contact with the adviser to the head of the lpr, a diplomatic adviser. by the way, pay attention. by the way, notice how much we've

talked over the past few times. we said everything, guys, there is something they are planning, not a single one. i 'm afraid he will remember how many times this formula sounded in the studio one butch will not do. yes, there will be some kind of bloody provocation, there will be a provocation much more serious and tougher than gucci, we said this, i don’t really imagine what it could be? and what is it like this, maybe i wanted, please, to vladimirovich. i don’t know at my place. i just say so. uh, not very good, says, probably to the host, uh, the host of a political program in the country of a political talk show, but i just have no words. i completely agree with you, but i am insanely sorry for the civilians who suffered, uh, on this provocation. well, everything develops in a spiral. yes, and here it can be clearly seen how colleague. i have already noticed the hollywood plot, what is the most important thing in this relationship, to destroy the reputation. in this case , the reputation of the russian federation is being destroyed, that we

are, uh, an aggressor country, and so on. that is, it's all. already passed stories yes, there are more than once used in films, when the protagonist says he justifies the murderer of the rapist. why because the victim was a prostitute? yes, this is the plot of a standard american film today, they take these plots and shift them to relations between russia and ukraine and a. all over the world they are trying to present the russian federation as this logic from the very beginning. we say so, yes, yeah, so that the authorities, well, it’s clear, yes, the authorities of ukraine and the fact that we say that ukraine today is not, uh, an independent state, that it is not a self-sufficient state, but the state and the ukrainian administration, which conducts policy at the state level wholly controlled from abroad. we see it frankly. yes, even today. uh, these clumsy hat things, which are still insanely sorry for the injured

civilians. i think all the same e should the public. yes, well, it begins to come to society in vladimir on the sixth, i interrupt you. well, just public now, of course, in a state of shock come the public now state. i don’t know what kind of apathy, shock without will, horror, and so on, because they just sit like this, and lord god, why do you understand, and taking into account this russian inscription, such underlined russian is still so turned for children. we russians take revenge on you arrivals this rocket to the very center of the city in a crowded train station to kill more people you sucking sign literally yes publicly now. i think, not up to not up to logic, not up to some constructions mikhail excuse me, it's like bucha, yes, let's not forget about the bucha. uh, so, uh, because now a few will go to such a background. uh, what happened there quite recently, look at the bodies, yes, and there is dryness nearby, that is, it feels

like we ourselves would mean further people here took it important. you got food, so what happened is change so to speak, well paradigm our discussion. right now, at these moments, of course, it is absolutely pointless to appeal to logic so far. uh, you can now say that if we hope that the people on the tape will watch our program. yes, and there is a rethink - indeed, why? and what kind of nonsense and so on, but now it’s pointless to appeal to logic, probably not. no look discard emotions. indeed, it is very difficult, both in the situation of huts and here, but at the same time it is necessary to do this, because we are well aware that this is not the last provocation. and that the ukrainian authorities will spare neither the means nor the strength, nor the civilians of their own state in order to teach these provocations and the purpose of the provocation, not only the western audience, which after that continues to supply them with weapons, but also we, our fellow citizens who see all this in news headlines. as you correctly said, everyone writes the version of the ukrainian side under a carbon copy, getting confused,

while it was iskanders or a point at which it is not clear how we got and unfortunately have users who read and digest all this. i'm just sorry i can not say it. this is absolutely terrible data, the mayor, kramatorsk reports that there were about 4,000 people on the square motors brand 4,000 people. imagine what they are ready for in order to once again simply denigrate the russian soldier , the task of our authorities is not only to prevent such special operations on their part, such provocations that the ukrainian side is committing. well, in the information space, try to somehow save us and our psyche, because all articles that reprint the ukrainian side should be blocked, and we should all communicate as much as possible with our loved ones with our relatives, who, as you say , can’t immediately turn on the logic, see this picture in the form of headlines and say god, what is going on there . if you are still called to logic, it will be clear that we have nothing to do with these operations. the only thing that

logic can suggest is that real military criminals and real military men rule in ukraine criminals. here. provocations are organized daily and all of them should be brought to justice and should be punished by a military tribunal absolutely said these are war criminals. that's the truth of those who organize it. those who are absolutely definitely war criminals should be tried. they must be committed to the tribunal and the whole world must hear their names and see them in the dock, everything in general. this, of course, is scary, like in some kind of nightmare you don’t know. a. well, let's remember how many times we called and turned to the same ukrainian authorities to release civilians . well, do not hide behind them, like a human shield. let's remember one more thing. let's remember the rocket hit a point on the net, on march 14, yes, how it all happened and what happened the day before this terrible terrorist attack took place. let's see here is a social network one. yes

, remember what happened. and i received a request from the girls. whose husbands were mobilized and without any preparation they threw hot spots. well, in general, those who are also worried about their loved ones relatives. yes, those who are now there, here is a request to get together, well, the donetsk city administration, that is, the girls, have already made great progress there. in general, in this, well, no one wants to help ensure that this all stops. so you can go there to ask the government questions and get at least some intelligible answers from people on purpose. so they called to come to that place, and in the center of the city right next to the administration, it was there that i flew. as a result, the rockets were assembled the day before. look what slogans, what slogans and etc. yes, the mothers of donbass, if you care, if you don’t give a damn about your fate, well,

listen to such words, which, of course, break through any normal person. gathered gathered gathered a group. as they didn’t gather there, but they gathered the same thing here, let’s remember, let’s remember, mariupol drama theater local residents. how many times have we been told, uh, there was an alert? gather at the drama theatre, we will inform you about the opening of humanitarian corridors. people came and received no information, but they came to the same theater in mariupol where the tragedy occurred. that's what's left of this theatre, you see now, there's nothing left, if we look from the picture, uh, donetsk, where the dot flew in. when i talk about the court about the tribunal, it's not just empty words. i hope, i hope, i really hope that this will happen. and what is it all. uh, everything that we demand will take place, but at this tribunal, i think there should be not only those who organized the provocation, you implemented what you came up with and so on, no, but all those western journalists who didn't say a word about it, the creature. sorry they didn’t say

a word, but 17 people of the inhabitants didn’t say a word to illustrate all these atrocities of the russian army in ukraine. donetsk for them tom aphids do not know people insects at all. why, addressing you fucking professionals, please, i also want to remind you about the fourteenth day of march 14, that thanks to the actions of our air defense, there were fewer victims than could be, because the rocket flew exactly to the very square where this girl urged people to gather, but the rocket did not reach it, it was shot down and only one cassette part worked a little away from this square and people who were in banks at the atm died. and if this rocket flew. that would have been much more victims, because after all, someone there believed. this one, i don’t know what to call it, i won’t call

it this one, they believed it, and a certain number of people gathered there. and as for the fact that now these non-people are hiding behind a residential shield. so they are not only hiding behind a human shield from our righteous ball. they still see that we are blows. all the same, we do not inflict, we save civilians. so they also themselves, therefore, hit the living brush. so they don't want to lose him. they did that they announced an evacuation, which is not characteristic of them. look how many people have gathered. here you say 4.000. look yes, i saw it yesterday, it looked like me, well, you know, i didn’t even think that it was possible and that this could happen , they hit there themselves, but they hit not only, as mikhail says, just to dehumanize russia to show the bestial appearance of some of our armed forces, they do not have several goals and one. these goals are customizable. in general, people are now loyal to russia. these are donetsk residents who voted for the dpr to turn them against us, because

right now the loyak does not work for people. and look at a small such technical example that it is written that they wrote there on a rocket for children. if i wrote russian military, i would write for the children through z of course, the power in truth for the children. they don't understand it. they wrote the russian ordinary for ya i say, well, thank you for not adding the tricolor here. but oh, what are you already looking at. well, again, any provocation. she understands that, so to speak, one level of provocation is just to get some kind of picture. yes, it’s understandable, but to get, respectively, consolidation against russia against these orcs. they almost officially now call it that means, uh, both the russian army and russian russian people. i understand, and so on. yes, the second level is more difficult, so to speak. but look, now i’ll tell you, tell me, i’ll stretch the example of ministers of the word. edward hager, and the chairman of the european commission, usula fonderlein , arrived in ukraine for meetings with president vladimir zelensky, the head of the slovak

cabinet reports exactly. yeah, under the arrival of the european delegation, this monstrous hellish dinner is taking place , the president of germany and steinmeier comes to the podium and calls for the convening of a war crimes tribunal against putin and lavrov , spiegel informs us about this. you understand that i repeat that it’s not enough just to blow up to undermine your own uh point, it’s important to make it that moment to make it was maximally resonant, maximally symbolic , with maximal political and every other effect. well, yes, at the right time, you know, i have a question for the children. yes, they wrote for the children, huh? please explain what is the point of beating children for children? well, what's the point? explain to me, please, they are based on the position of the all-union force, yes, which launches this missile there, namely, on the children of dim. how

can this be explained? i understand that now some logic has a history of dough, that is, it is connected with the fact that yes, we are all going through a hard time, as if this is a very big tragedy, we all understand, but we need to fight accordingly with information from the facts, the first woman, who, accordingly, called on people to go to the donbass. where is she. it’s clear the second, respectively, the number is missiles 300 missiles, respectively, point y, they all, respectively, see their numbers, as if in 2016 they were a complete revision of their numbered components, if they foolishly failed , respectively, it’s normal to destroy them directly, they initially said, that this is a scander video with this convening councils of the security council. tonight, in the evening, we should not play, as it were, at a second pace, of course, where is this statement, where is the minister of defense who stood up, accordingly, that we are convening with a comment promptly and so on and quickly. well, wait, no, everything is clear, the players, for me, will not

crank out the second hour, so as not to be a joke, so that it sounds , yes. i absolutely agree with you about the convening of the zones. we have to do it urgently , emergency and so on. this time, but here explain , look, but here it is still there. story about political effects, because told we do not have sleepy, the center is a big problem. it is connected with the fact that after the troops were accordingly withdrawn directly from kiev, we began to fly there. it's like representatives of the european union used to come to you behind the scenes. and now, thank god, respectively, the airport is unlocked. according to the norms, they can land there, too, excellent achievements. that's right, they fly there. it is known there when someone arrives and under these timings it is also clear when what happening. if we close the cauldron it must have been a provocation. if a package has just been adopted, which was adopted this afternoon, and a sixth package is being prepared, which, accordingly, should still break through. no it was obvious that the coming of the lord would be, accordingly, the provocation of the most congestion. they never really let me. no one is leaving here. now they are allowed to leave. we didn’t track this situation, we warned it perfectly, we took it two dozen times when everything was done, then we monitored it, respectively, this is territory. so we saw the launch time points.

this video has these, respectively objective control. we can provide now to immediately bring down this component, so that the tribunal is not closed to us now. so before that we did a storm, we can definitely do it well? let's, today, please, from the very beginning. here we are now eating it hard. obviously lies. how many points in the dpr probably weapons. have they been transferred lately, immediately show all the missiles to inventory, the second is not excellent to state already stated. there are different statements there were, respectively, the second point, respectively, what specific unit struck, we can roughly say this, can we say well? same gang is well exactly the name of the brigade. let the inventory e missiles in everything. the rest of the ballistics accurately read the video in the form of a video to present 40 seconds, respectively, within. where are we from until the end of the day to the end, respectively, now the tribunal did not do the second, respectively, what is necessary we sit accordingly and each time, as if we are telling all this from paper at the temples. it

's all pointless. he’s going to collect now, respectively, to call the social security there, and as if a representative, as it were, from various countries , supply people there to give the first layer to china because , naturally, they should have had the right to leave the weekend. here's how to work. and now we are sitting here discussing the internal component of the guys. well, how is it? well, next time if there is another such event, firstly, yes, it is important to understand here. yes, dmitriy is here. unfortunately, it's true, this means that this is not the last provocation, the last reason is further, the more obvious the defeat of this very group is, the more these provocations will be. moreover , they will be sophisticated, cynical and bloody. all this has alexei borisovich about his own, by the way, now we ’ll talk about political aspects, but about the means of objective control. this is the famous american satellite constellation. remember they are after fucking, they are our satellite grouping. no, well, it ’s necessary to demand for it, but another thing is there something for me somewhere in the depths somewhere on the back, like a memory? i remember that about the battle downed in the sixteenth year. we also require 8

years, at least some. i'm not saying there are pictures, but we, but we will not give you a route in this world provided, please, of course, demand a meeting of the security council. the un is definitely needed. well, let's remember england blocked twice stay, but promised no more blocks promise, but promised promised more will be demanded of the game by far. it is necessary to present the maximum number of different evidence of objective control, of course. we must tell the truth, not only for the west, which is not ready to hear it and does not want to hear it, but also for the southeast and for other countries. the west today continues to play for raising rates, in general the rates have already been raised like this, but they continue to rise, because, well, what happened today yes, tragic events are called the beautiful word action under a false flag. well such a term appeared. yes, of course, we all know

already actually banal. you see, well, by and large, under the moon, nothing is new, everything has already happened somewhere, but such an impression gives me an impression. it is a fact that today ukraine has outdone all possible provocations that were earlier, and what really worries me most of all today is not with all the horror of today's tragedy, because i really fear that this is not the end yet. often. uh, western leaders them talking heads are spoken and remembering. how many times was there a conversation about chemical disasters, remembers the statement of mrs., our favorite dogs, that in which case we will certainly provide, and the necessary equipment to protect against chemical problems. and uh, knowing perfectly well that there is

information that in odessa we know there is one of the largest hubs, uh, transshipment of chemical products, where, according to estimates , several hundred thousand different chemical products are stored today, there is also liquid nitrogen. and ammonia and other, other, unverified information. but it seems that a few days ago , employees of this enterprise began to be removed from the work of the enterprise, a lot of talk about a chemical attack was mothballed. and don't look , look, before this, the crush above began to say that maybe a chemical attack did not happen . talk about it. listen to another thing that we won't be able to talk about. everything is possible, of course, all possible problems of all possible provocations. this attention is impossible. it is impossible, except for the general formula that provocation

it will be more and longer that they will be so cynical bloody. this we can state. we can safely say this. this is exactly anatoly. but it is necessary to warn people about this . although, of course, well, in a nightmare we cannot imagine what happened today in kramatorsk and ukraine people, all of them have not yet had to gather 4,000 of their citizens and blast rockets from cluster munitions there. well, there was no such thing in history, but i'm afraid that we still have a lot to find out in the near future the center organization that did it monitors, you are ahead of doing it. it was understandable. before that, they had never given. they didn’t give it on purpose, because it happens and suddenly they gave it abruptly, and no one realized it in time. it’s necessary to create a center with a situational one; it should work according to information only ahead of the curve. we’ll wait until now, as if it were just that, chemistry will definitely go on and we must definitely name the very point and the toponym, that is, the most important thing is to name the name. that is, somewhere in particular happens if you name the point itself. name

somewhere happens. this seriously significantly reduces the effect, and the wow-effects of surprise. even if you are a buchu, would you mention among the five cities. and like, and the settlements will be immediately knocked down, respectively, i insert. yes, i would if i agree, yes, i agree. give us a map here, please, because here is an important aspect. because there is another one. yes, except as we understood with you, except for this moral and psychological, because it is clear that the psychologically depressed is not only ukrainians, and you and i in the form of this monstrous happening. we are with you too, well, as if the mood is not very cool, really. it 's scary. it's horrible. this is monstrously monstrous aspect is political. we also talked with you , we already put meyer out, which means, uh, i want to convene the tribunal and so on. uh, that's it, it's neat on the eve of the visit, so, uh, i forgot what this girl's name is the prime minister of slovakia yes, eduard heeger, finally there should have been a gas contract, so they are simply the most important. finally one more. another layer, so to speak, uh, this is military

technical or military. look, please, and this is the most, most importantly, the most combat-ready, largest force of the armed forces of ukraine. they are now here in the uh in the donbass, there is a systematic progress. every day we are discussing this with you experts, a systematic encirclement of this group is underway. take it to the cauldron. and the closer the inevitable, so to speak, the slamming of the lid of this boiler, the more these provocations will be. that is, it is also directly connected with this, not just for psychological pressure. not just for the russians to be announced again animals and so on. it is also an attempt to somehow thwart the inevitable, namely the destruction of a complete rout. here is this grouping, respectively, respectively, this is about the same arithmetic. here, many are relevant. she is now quite herself, so to speak, within the power of all of us, the faster this is done, the less victims of destruction and blood will be. but wasn’t it chosen on the

one hand so, well, there is the concept of the military art of military tactics and strategy, therefore, it ’s just throw a thoughtless army there and get colossal losses. it is impossible among our military personnel, so the tactics are clear. she is not secret, uh, into the cauldron and further crush. here, into small parts and slowly destroy them very strongly. i hope that with the exception of especially the petok nationalists. most will understand what is happening to them and surrender, i really hope so, because there will be a lot of victims, of course. if they do not surrender there, they will be destroyed for sure. well, yes. well, in general, all these all these all these talks, uh, all these talks about software about the war crimes tribunal about this consensus. we are talking with you there with hope there, looking at the screen. there, finding some covers of some rare editions. see. the truth is seeping through. they said it might be first to investigate and then start the wine. we

are, damn it, look. well, they are maturing. no, it's all very nice.