i was already moving, then, uh, i woke up and said, kiryushenka well kiryushenka baby, i said at that time, baby, well, that i get up, we will get up, and he somehow moved like this. i was at ease with him. everything is fine. what to give to yulia. eh, but this is also mine and a re-grandson, so love for my daughter, there was no doubt that i was carrying a grandson and i would give my daughter so that she would be happy, but when i saw kirill in the hospital, i, of course, something maternal. played right away. i was very worried. how will i be with him part, but this is for her, as i still understand that this is for her as a large part, as a son. secondly, as a grandson, she loves him very much. she is very attached to him.

uh-huh, you didn’t expect this, when you went, so to speak, didn’t expect this experiment, didn’t expect it. but, when i saw what it was like after birth, when i was still walking, my mother, pregnant, i saw how she treated me, i realized that it would be hard for her to part with him even after in reanimation. it became even more difficult for my mother. it could be seen noticeably and and it was a kind of, in general, a burden on yours. the decision to risk her mother's health was very difficult for yulia, her husband says, what are you doing, why are you so worried? i say, well, suddenly it's scary already. we can lose embryos, we can lose our mother, anything can happen there, despite the fact that elena was carrying a grandson, she treated him like her own child, when it was already more than 20

weeks, when there were already movements, uh, i woke up and said, baby, we'll be worth nothing get up. and he kind of moved like this. i was at ease with him. everything is fine. julia saw the experiences of her mother and felt her connection with the child, i still understand that this is for her, as a big part, like a son. secondly, as a grandson, she loves him very much. she is very attached to him. alone with everyone, elena snegur, and her daughter yulia sokolova lena, how did your mouth go? they planned births yes, in advance well, in advance, as i have a gray section it is always at 38 weeks and so i informed until 38 weeks and arrived at the planned already caesarean. ufa you also went, yulia no, they took her.

but she herself did not let us in, they said that it was impossible. why no. in this hospital, in their practice, there are no partnerships of partner deliveries, so there is none. and where were you, my we were at home sitting on pins and needles all this time, until my mother called and said you became parents. and when the caesarean section took place, were you conscious or not, yes, that is, you saw right away yes, you didn’t do the final anesthesia, i heard the child. i heard him screaming, even to me i heard that he seemed to be screaming in his stomach. he began to scream so that such a muffled sound was, uh, a voice, a voice, then stronger, and then they took him away. e in another room to you, that they showed him everything, as it should be or not. they didn't show it to me. they didn't say that, look. here is the boy. no. although i was conscious. i

thought everything was as it should be. i thought so. so they took him to another room. doctors were already waiting there from the children's department and took him to where the children's department was, it turns out to be in resuscitation. why did they bring babies to everyone in the evening? well , in my intensive care unit, i also remained in my adult adult and they brought some children to show, but there is no opinion, we are again brought to others in the morning. i don't have it again. i already asked a question. why i don't have it doesn't show. a doctor will come to you, what he will say, i began to worry. i went crazy. i'm thinking now, yes, then they told me he was in intensive care. you can call there. i called and they told me the child was not breathing, that he was developing pneumonia. well then i already

of course, in general, i had a tantrum yulka how did they find out that kirill was in intensive care? mom called, she said we talked the night before and everything was fine with the child. everything is fine. all is well with me. uh, the child is no longer allowed, they are not allowed. mom is also in intensive care; she also does not know what is happening with the child. but everything seemed to be fine. and in the morning, uh, my mother called us and said that it turns out that kirill is in intensive care, he doesn’t have it, that’s not so good. as we would like, as we expected yesterday, they have already started there. attempts by entrepreneurs in intensive care we began to call every day there, realizing that every hour. if it’s useless to call and only doctors distract from their duties to calm my mother down,

because my mother just felt very at that moment that her mother’s attitude had changed, or something to the child, that for a long time there the mind tried to control feelings, and she spoke. here is my grandson. this is for your son and stuff. and what at that moment, when the child was born, that, in fact, the concept mixed up. so what but she can’t really distinguish, is it well or is it still my child thinks, she understood this when it became obvious when we ran into her in the very intensive care unit near kirill. i saw it, and my mother already, in my opinion, came up for the third time. that's when, seeing mom's attitude towards the child, how she stood crying, how she was shaking. i understood that it would be very difficult for mother to mother without kirill and i give him and she is more than m-m more sensitive than grandmother, like a grandson. what have you experienced? you will see

in kirish. this is my child. all i have will be no thoughts. he will not recover. all is well. they do everything to make it all right. this is my child, and you cried. i am such a person, i very, very rarely cry from unemotional emotions, especially in those when there is a person nearby who is also feeling bad. yeah, seeing my tears. he will be even worse, so we must hold on. well, thank god. this is history, elenochka. you are crying all the time. these are tears of happiness or or memories and happiness that all this happened, thank god everything ended well, indeed, and here is kirill's mother. earlier, lena was discharged earlier than kirill, or at the same time, and that is, you still continued to walk, kirishi to eat sterlitamak there 120 km. wow, that is not every day there is all

day through the day. and when i was discharged, it was something like me on the day of discharge. in general, i was waiting there, for a whole week, how long i lay, i was all flowing, and when they were discharged, i say, why? well, because they were afraid, no, kirill is that he is sick, yes, that he was afraid and when he was discharged. i am i think how it is possible to leave such a tiny tiny one in this maternity hospital. i did not understand, in general for me it was something, the moment had come. we had to leave the maternity hospital, and we yulia came for me, and we immediately went from the maternity hospital to the church, wept and asked, then we asked everyone at each room there, they begged that everything was there so that with kirill would recover. well, after what time kiryushka was discharged, well, first they discharged him to study on the 12th to 14th day for 2 weeks, and

then for another week we lay with him in children's department for the second stage to the house. i'm with kiryusha yeah, ears were already popping up, yes, and you were waiting. yes, i've been waiting. i already called her too. she sent me pictures. how did you decide among yourselves, who will lie with kirusha, when when i pull out mom, you have a birth certificate, as if the mother with the child lies aha that is, there was no legal possibility. eh, lenochka, if there was a legal possibility, would you run ahead of the curve together? well, that is, when kirill was taken from the hospital, they met you uh-huh as it should be, yes, with flowers and mother met, right? it was a strange feeling. no, i was glad that kirill recovered. and that he and yulia well, everything is strange, no, there was no strange feeling. no. i knew it was her

child. and that they should meet her, yul, and when you felt, i don’t know somehow, that maternal feelings immediately turn out immediately hmm, i didn’t think that if i have a maternal instinct, there is no maternal maternal institution. i just knew. this is my child. i will live with him for a very long time. i already love him. i am boundless man to him tenderness. i am responsible for his life. uh, without this little man. i can't anymore because it's mine. and how did he treat you, kirill, he looked at me for the first time, as if he were just another nurse. with one eye, and so you can’t say that there are immediately some just around him. at first there were a lot of people. and when he saw me, i was just another face for him, which maybe he

wo n’t see again all and most of all pays attention to me. damn , when did we ask you. uh, hmm getting ready for this program. and would you go to such an experiment again, you said, perhaps yes, but you would not be able to give it back. so said. yes , it's hard to break up. this is something that was the most difficult parting for you len what did you think? what would be bad without you? yes, and it seemed to me that he felt better with me, that he seemed to feel that i was betraying him, that i was giving and betraying him. well, that's what he don't know, that's the one i had feeling. i even when they left, and we had

an agreement with yulia. they traveled for three days, but murmansk that every 3 hours she tells me how kirill's condition is, and here is some moment in my head, uh, the crying of a child. so i hear the cry of a child, i call them, and the truth is, kirill is crying. there was some kind of connection with him, then it was very difficult to leave. and let us know that now we will listen to the professor of neonatology, and they are grigorievna filippopova. and what did she tell us about and your specific situation and about in general with a horn. if we talk about what happens in psychological practice, then this is not the most shocking story, but in fact, from the point of view of the arrangement of family roles and the formation of the personality of a child, this is, of course, a very difficult story, because definitely family roles, who do i mom, who is dad, who

is grandmother, this helps a person to build his self-concept to define himself as a person of a certain gender and age to master the role in the family that i should have in this case, since we are still talking about a boy, he it will be a little easier, because girls also need to master the maternal position, and in such a generally mixed story. it’s not just that the boy here has at least one single father, and as an object with which he will have to compare himself, there is such a concept as psychology, identification, he has it precisely defined, but about how he will then deal with how he chooses for himself. well, here there can be various interesting stories, because, in principle, a maternal figure plays a big role here, but now this child has two maternal figures. and, probably, the whole problem here is how they will play these roles among themselves, and distribute them, how they

will position themselves in relation to the child. we , for example, psychology know quite a lot of examples when these roles are confused. and the game. this inside the family is called so, who is the best mother for this child and can fight for this role, mother and grandmother, mother, and even there father and aunt, someone else would be nice if there was help from a psychologist who would help them put all the roles on place this grandmother to accept what she did and, as it were, put an end to it. dasha say, well, that's it, i'm a grandmother, i give all the rights, i'm leaving for this position of mine and i will learn to be a grandmother there so that it's not just easy, but such a grateful parting with a sense of accomplishment of a job well done thanks to parents who take this child and crushed them to them for the child. it matters a lot when a mother separates from her child. so here it is with anxiety with feelings with tears, then

this just speaks of that very internal conflict that she is not ready to let him go, now and other hands, when we talk about surrogate motherhood in general, about iconoslokat motherhood, we always recommend parents that their children know about the status of their birth. as far as i know, you didn't really intend to hide from kirill how he was born. and how are you? it would be explained to him, there is such a thing when children from the age of five ask. yes, you gave birth to me. no, not me who gave birth to him. here is your grandmother. why didn't she give birth? well, in my house, where children grow up, there are not very good ones, you wouldn’t like it there, this explanation is enough. it seems to me at the level of this age, when he just starts asking such

questions and this information is enough for him, and then it’s like it won’t happen when he grows up, that you’ve been deceiving me all your life that you gave birth to me, it turns out , my grandmother gave birth to me, and everything in my life was a deception, and so on and so forth, so we won’t hide hmm let’s start asking questions to answer, but somehow at first with children's fairy tales, but we will not affirm and deceive the child. it was hard for elena to come to terms with the idea that this was not her child, when i ran to the intensive care unit, i ran away from my adult intensive care unit. that's when i think it's mine. why why did this happen? why did i try so hard? and so this is how yulia understood how difficult it would be for a mother to part with her baby. video of mom's relationship to the child, how she stood crying, how she was shaking. i understood that it

would be very difficult for my mother without seryozha and i would give him more than more feelings than a grandmother. well, the future julia plans to tell her son the whole truth, and his birth. children at the age of five ask there you are my mother, there you gave birth to me. it's not me who gave birth to him. here is your grandmother alone with everyone elena snegur and her daughter yulia sokolova you know, when children are born, and naturally our parents, there they always feel us as their own children, and there, no, no. and no matter how old we are, they try to educate us to express. us so we do or not so we do it and when our children are born next generation, i mean, then after all, parental care is transferred to our children, they begin to tell him this way or not, do you absorb you, right or wrong? it's just whether you feed your own child. and in general, every mom, dad has an iron answer. as if. uh, if you don't

want to convert or interfere, huh? or so stop. you raised me, thank you very much. now. this is my child and i will do as i see fit. here is your situation. it seems to me quite it’s hard to object to your mom and say that i will do it the way i see fit, because, well, we do it the way it is, as it were, and mom is trying to interfere. somehow especially. no, it’s not necessary to give kirill, or it’s not, but well, no matter how you take it in other aspects. you put it in the wrong place, put it there. it probably doesn't hurt him. everything is fine. mom is fine, he's fine. you nobody offends. what if you offend him, there is such a thing as offending him, kirill, well, there was such a feeling, i thought, so suddenly he they offend there, but how can they offend him? it's interesting just like that. i kind of, well,

because i was so far behind, i thought that he was better with me that i feel that you could somehow do it better than these completely young worthless inexperienced parents, but the question is this parental sacrifice, which. hmm. which is often a well-known case that when there, for example, parents can tell their child. i sacrificed my career there for you and the child will feel fine. generally forever indebted to his parents. but the sacrifice that went, my mother somehow. well, now, if her health and even this moral torment that she experiences after parting with kirill does not impose on you some kind of additional responsibility and the feeling that, well, this is some kind of unpaid debt and such. here are even some connectedness in their own actions in relation to their son. well , the debt, and the one that i must now justify, my

mother's mother's such a sacrifice, that kirill owes us grow up a very wonderful good person and raise him well, and in front of my mother that this is my best mother in the world, and now no one can argue with that. i love him very much , i respect him. and i am eternally grateful to her for what she has done for me. and your husband, as he expressed his gratitude to his mother-in-law, he loves her very much, he respects her very much, especially for the last year. eh, this is a person who, for him, is probably on such a pedestal, which you can’t say anything against at all. here, no matter how bad or there you can’t even look at it in this direction with some kind of negativity, because this is sacred

to him. this is a holy woman, svetlana me, as she says, that hmm, i have the most wonderful mother-in-law in the world. she is just a super-duper woman who gave me a son and all some other questions and this is useless. now you will especially quarrel with your mother, you won’t even be able to in the presence of your husband, yes, that is, he will always be on the side of your mother. yes, most likely so kirill you came with you. and i wanted to ask permissions. can we bring him here to us ? can he love people? now we'll wait. now they are bringing it to us. hello kiryukha applauds so gently, hello is enough

and there are a lot of people fantastic. yes, what degree is a calm child? and you're not afraid of anything? i know for both of you. now, of course, the most important thing is to somehow keep in touch with each other, and in particular with the kiruha, in order to find out how he is doing, how he is growing. are you on a call? how often every day, but we know that you have uh, no smartphones. you so to speak, only at home . you can use a computer in order to observe kirill on a daily basis, and we thought that these are such smartphones. you would be useful in order to be able to send any new

smiles the first tooth as quickly as possible. i do not know the first steps further and everything that will happen with kirill to keep the completely heroic grandmother informed of every event in life, kirill thank you very much. wish you luck. thank you we can't admire your act and your masculinity and femininity. well, kirusha grow up as a worthy son and grandson, simply the most worthy that can be, thank you very much. in accordance with article 19 of the constitution of the russian federation , men and women have equal rights and opportunities

to exercise them in practice. this is not the case. the list of professions in which it is forbidden to use female labor is a list of 456 items for women, including uprooting stumps, and skinning animals and making poisonous substances, but in spite of these and other very reasonable prohibitions. some girls stubbornly strive to choose professions that are traditionally considered masculine. if you think you drive heavy vehicles or medium haul aircraft. this is exclusively for men. you are gravely mistaken. tatyana samopalnikova has been driving heavy vehicles on russian roads for 25 years. maria uvarovskaya has long been accustomed to the chair of an aircraft commander, and natalya zabelina will leave damascus steel blades for more than 10 years, lovely fragile women, caring mothers and loving wives at home and drivers

, pilots, blacksmiths and chimney sweeps at work. what determines their choice, what do the militant amazons end up with alone with everyone, nor the women’s affair our first heroine tatyana samopalnikova is a truck driver, even in russian there is no word truck driver or they say so about you, but now we have already implemented it. well, you know, you have an incredible story. you have such a family tradition. so all the women in your family were engaged, in fact, not women's business. grandma drove a truck. mom drove a tractor, which made you. you have even managed to work as a driver in the army. kamaz that you are so strongly attracted to these cars that you can’t resist and choose such a job. i grew up among them among these machines. my father is a trucker and earlier a

driver comes from a flight. well, soviet times, the car is placed at home. you knew it like home. well then, dad didn’t work on kamaz trucks, urals ointments well , in general, big cars were like this for you something familiar. yes? well, you have to imagine. i think our viewers especially. what is a trucker in siberia? well, here in the central region people complain about bad roads, and in siberia, it seems to me that there is a track there, of course, in a section that we simply call the road of death aga turtas. here there are always broken roads, but this year i went already repaired and very well repaired. and therefore, if some kind of breakdown happens on the road, so, i will tell you, i motorist i can’t change the wheel of my car , but it’s a passenger car, i have tanya you can

change the wheel, yes, blonde women are luxurious, which means it’s worth it you know this year i didn't let a man under my car, why? because it was very dangerous, my front right wheel burst on fuel oil and just a really loaded car with overload. here and simply. i didn't let him talk under the car. no. listen don't go. it's come on better me as they say, not masculine, right? well, no, most likely, i understand that you are a gentleman and you want to help me, but i myself want to work , see how i recovered a little fitness, i’ll climb in. i under my car and twisted the nuts there. well, look, uh, you are a woman, and the roads.

ah, trails. we are not all well-equipped on the subject. that's where you need to eat, when in the car, when in a cafe in the evening in the car a gas stove, a kettle, everything is as it should be, but usually truckers they travel in pairs. right always there is a partner. there he got tired on the road, lay down to sleep. there's a crib so pretty, upstairs there. i had partners in some cases. uh, partners died. after that, for a long time i did not work with anyone in a pair, and only with a man with whom i lived for 4 years. here we went with him in a pair. yes, but we worked on a big car, and for long-distance flights vladivostok was a breeze and, in principle, something convenient. uh-huh well, they did their best there, they needed the speed of movement. i had to sleep on the go, literally. here you lie down in a sleeping bag with an asterisk, because there is a rocky

turnover. crushed stone road asterisk you lie down. yes , in order not to fall from it, a stone rests with your feet. that's how you sleep a little, so you're driving. you sit to the point of exhaustion, just to fall and pass out, so that you are just here, well, in general, a corpse. is it true that you drive barefoot sometimes in socks? why so? well, because my pedals are always clean, this is a long-range one after all. he is my home, there must be cleanliness and order. and oh, you, that is, like a woman, so, probably, there a fly will slip in your academy not only i have the bulk of truckers, they are all nice. and what about beauty, now i prefer russian baths. i already know the parking lots where there are nice clean banks. i try to go to the men so as not to interfere with them later, because they

go any usual, and you are one money. it's sad, it's very terrible, and i don't even have a trucker's girlfriend to eat with. that is, you are not the only one on the siberian routes. there are women in russian villages, not a galloping horse, and now kamasu will stop on the move. it’s like driving such huge cars in my mind, it somehow doesn’t encourage us to put on some beautiful blouse there. why nonsense? you won’t believe it, when i served in the army, as an instructor, i’m just a 12 cm stiletto mussel skirt, and forward and soldiers in stacks, not so much they and the officers, too, followed him you saw the eyes of officer wives. i can imagine. so what does it mean anyway.