to drink the invasion of ukraine into the territory of the donetsk people's republic, the offensive they planned, these documents have long been published there , weapons were drawn in there. the same food is water, that is, everything in order to provide for the army, but as we can see, it did not help, because one thing is material and technical equipment, another thing is, of course, the ability to fight. the most important thing is motivation. today my colleagues sent me and showed me the footage of the appeal of the relatives of the members. here is this azov grouping and to the ukrainian command government with a demand to release. what is it to talk about? it reminds of ilovaisk, it reminds of debaltseve, donetsk airport, when it became clear no matter how they cheer themselves up there, no matter how they tell that everything is fine. these are the moments. they give very well. the concept of what is the real awareness of what is happening now at the front and e has reached them now that they really do not control mariupol, that they do not hold

back any real resistance the issue with these has been resolved. well, here is such an event that one of the three local points. before that, i butted nothing, let's say. so she was released, of course, this is a very big blow for the ukrainian army. i think that in the near future the issue with the mini-cha plant and azotal will also be closed but to the issue of uh morale of readiness, uh, and the ability and willingness to continue resistance. and vsu. well, the news has been coming in all day today. i wanted to clarify with you on the one hand, but in the morning there was an appeal. uh, military thirty 6th marine brigade, and apu. and also here. as i understand it, to the ukrainian leadership. they say that they have mountains of wounded there, that they have a lot of dead, that they are holding out with the last of their strength, they were abandoned, and so on, then there was information that the servicemen of this marine brigade began to surrender, that you know everything - after all. what is the current status? they continue to mean how to ask for help and resist or

the process has begun, surrendering them. by the way, where are they defending, please. throughout this the last few weeks, and both the unit in the forest and the units of a separate group of the same azov a split among themselves in terms of the fact that they were deprived of a single center of control and coordination of a single center of command, to the point that on adjacent lines of defense they they were kept in neighboring positions; they had no connection with each other, that is, two groups could stand at a distance. there are several tens of tens of meters apart and at the same time they could not coordinate their actions, therefore, of course, the situation here looks, in principle, the sides are so chaotic, therefore, while some, uh, one part of the thirty-sixth of the same brigade there can continue to resist, the other part of it already understands its position, lays down its arms, surrenders to speak as a single thing- then the whole. what forms, that the thirty-sixth brigade,

that the battalions that are there, is impossible precisely in view of such a split, which occurred due to the lack of a unified command. so yeah while one marines surrender in captured others continue to resist, but i think that if adequate sane people who now understand the reality of what is happening now, we see the appeal of the same azov, who is no longer so pretentious and, uh, red-speaking already looks more like hysteria, then perhaps surrender is always here. uh, no one shoots those walking with their hands up with white flags. we are ready to welcome people here. here, uh, who have expressed a desire to surrender, who have laid down their weapons that they no longer want to render resistance. this is the choice of each person. it is clear and one more, and maybe the main center of resistance, which, as i understand it, remains in mariupol is azov steel. we hear a lot, but we

heard about attempts, but not very much on helicopters. until now, it’s clear. to evacuate from there, do you know if these attempts continue? at what stage now, uh, the cleansing of the aze of steel, and when can we, uh, hear? ah, good news. from there, please. well, regarding the timing of how much more it will take, the liberation and cleansing of azov steel, and i all the same i do not presume to judge. but but my guess is that now at the very, let's say, the deepest level of defense. that's where the most secure place is now concentrated, and the survivors, and above the command links. azov who were on the ground. and now, if there really are these people, uh, personalities, whom we want to know, whom they are trying to evacuate in such a way. i am sure that they are there, because such attempts have been and are being made by the desperate, then they are now

here in the most secure place, and all the rest are thrown to block them, but again, let's get back to the fact that, well, how much is enough. now our unit is moving very carefully, because azov has stood up - this is the last well-equipped fortified area. first of all, i’m leading the infrastructure itself. it provides a good opportunity for defense, so they work, uh, pointwise with support, and the russian aerospace forces, unmanned aircraft with the support of artillery, are moving slowly, but here the question is solely to secure our army as much as possible from unnecessary losses from unnecessary risks, and there is no problem in taking the joint. in any case, i don’t see the fighters, too, they are all very determined, so the only question is to do all this with minimal losses, which is why such a cautious advance is now. i understand , thank you, george. it was georgy medvedev

, a war correspondent, he got in touch with us and from near mariupol. but he told us about how the cleansing of this city is progressing and liberation. well, besides the fact that this is really important news, which we have all been following for several weeks. i asked george questions in such detail exactly within the framework. here is the very first question with which i started about what is the purpose of the west in this war and how to evaluate, and their transition to this one. uh, well, enough militant rhetoric, even in the performance of barrels because look mariupol here is one. yes, let it be a big city, but you understand from george's story. what forces? what means? ah? what efforts are needed to unlock it completely? and this despite the fact that in the sense of completely cleaning it up, and this despite the fact that this city is already surrounded, that is, there is nothing there, nothing is brought in, and so on and so forth, this tells us a little about the scale of the task of

our armed forces decide in this sense , the question of nekita sergeevich arises in your opinion. this stubborn still resistance in mariupol is the solution of some military tasks, but then it is not clear which ones or this is something else. you have an understanding, and what is the task of this or reasons for this mariupol resistance mariupol resistance is now the quintessence of western policy and what barel was talking about, because when he said that we would not fight any negotiations, in fact this message was directed towards the ukrainian society. we them to do everything in order to pump you weapons, and you do not even think about the negotiations. you must resist until the very end. you must use all the resources that we give you , including finances. this is a weapon, this is only a guarantee provided that you do exactly the same as those nazis who are blocked in mariupol, and in this sense, what barrel does is actually a landmark event. i'm just going to remind you that we

'll discuss more a month ago. this is very important in the first week of the start of a military special operation. he also gave interviews. uh, he told our western media, you know, we made a very big mistake, that we still tried to believe that ukraine would become part of nato, he said it sincerely and look how hard the vector has changed he comes to kiev after the meeting with zelensky , he says that there will be a war to the last ukrainian, and in this sense, it seems to me, it is very important that he set the bar. he set the bar for both our country and the west once again. yes, his bar, which he set, which they did not set for themselves, which in a sense they set for us or set for her. we 'll talk more. i'm still interested right now. well , since in the military sense, yes, there are pentagon barrels. by the way, now e got a message, it is from the pentagon that weapons are delivered to ukraine by eight ten eight dash ten flights a day and an almost constant flow of

ground columns. i understand everything about the barrels about the pentagon that i don’t understand. we'll talk after the ad, but still, even using the example of mariupol , you have an understanding of this stubborn resistance. here it is. uh, so to speak , they hold on with their teeth, that's why they fight, they fight for a radical change in this war for them , this is, if you want, stalingrad if you want, uh, the kursk bulge for them is a symbol of the fact that they can defeat one of those symbols that they cling to and which they relay to the same group surrounded there in other military groups, uh, which uh. one way or another, they are already in contact with russian troops. for them, this is a symbol of the ukrainian victory, under which they tie up absolutely everything, including the hope that the west will help us. oh, people will come. uh what if the more we hold on. uh, the

more, the faster and more reliably the west will crush russia, uh, subject it to all sorts of sanctions. she will give up and get exhausted. well, this whole uh, this whole complex. eh, myths and for them. let's do it. come on, this is a complex of myths and laziness, this complex, which in many of our citizens causes, so to speak, massive disturbing questions and so on. we'll talk about that too. how long can you resist. and this is also the answer to the question. what are they waiting to tighten? i don't know if the mariupol fighters think about it, but about how long can russia resist for absolutely? it was clearly stated by correspondent medvedev who said our fighters are in no hurry because they want to avoid. excuse me, your losses. for russia, this is, uh, a minimum of losses with a maximum of, uh, result, and these people. here they are, uh, i repeat. here it is no longer from the military meaning, or rather the military meaning is reduced to, uh, psychological.

yeah, it's all psychological. eh, some conclusion. e in the century. i will repeat. fetish into a certain symbol. here, look indigenous in this sense, really. i'm interested in your version of yours understanding that and considering that mariupol is absolutely blocked. well, yes, it sort of holds back, of course, some grouping of our armed forces pulls it towards itself, but i don’t think that this is critical, for example, for fate. uh, gangs suck. do you have understanding? why is it so long in mariupol? why is it so tight? and roughly speaking, what is holding us back as well. for example, over and over again i cannot understand this, what is holding us back, for example, from resolving the issue with the same azov steel. well, let's say something there are voluminous vacuum ammunition, there, and so on and so forth, which definitely exist, i do n’t understand this, but i still don’t understand a lot of things. and you, and i, here is a simple woman, and i understood to you with this question, and i went, so i understand that for 8 years, and in the

depths of azov, a modern base began to be created. nato latent, hidden eye. so, therefore, there are nato officers there, and there is something to hide there, because such objects are placed there, which, if they fall into our hands, or if we at least even see the fragments of these objects. that's a problem some secrets arise from the other side, we will find out. that's what they are fighting for and forgive me, please, they created on this map, but in this eastern part on the coast they created. in general, absolutely uh, the impregnable citadel is true. yes. we are told that there is 24 km at a depth of great depth, in theory, we could take, i beg your pardon, but i understand that we could shy away, so many are shy, so we really

need to find out what exactly they find there, so, of course, there are psychological aspects. i agree make sense, but what is clear is that they are not the main ones, because it would be easy to transfer all this psychology in the information field and somewhere else in ukraine, this is easily the only point in some case, there are no others yet . that's just the grouping. here is a big one, she is there, 95, they say, there are such points, but why is it mariupol, because there are some special objects there even for 8 years, when they strengthened and hid this business, if not by chance, they took these selected ones there, and banned in russia azov. and so on. it's logical. and i would like two words. can i tell you about this very barrels. i have been processed. you will say 22 words after the advertisement. let's not spend now in bali. we will now discuss in detail i repeat, and the statement

- they are very indicative in terms of the fact that some kind of yes. note that the second phrase is about money. he is a passing nature, a passing friend of the budget, a beautiful one. i apologize for the slang words. it’s clear speaking of nothing, i would really like to, and you will convince me, you will try to convince our viewers of this after advertising that this is harshness and sharpness. uh, the barrel statement is about the budget. it seems to me that it’s something else about some money , but still i want to ask you, well, since you did work, let’s say it does with human material, so to speak, being in the position that you were after all. do you have an understanding of, uh. what is the meaning of this long, hard and stubborn resistance in mariupol, he has some your view, specific substantive tasks or is it

just already. well, as they say. here the bombs rested, we hold on to the end from the series do not give up after all. well, if we consider this issue from the point of view of ukraine, the so-called ukrainian authorities, then there is a sense here, of course. so i would just push the military topic a little aside, agreeing that this is certainly a fortified area, very powerful. and of course, that for eight years it was formed there, but for ukraine this is the point now it carries. in my opinion, some kind of sacred topic, because it will be compared with the same airport in donetsk where there were some cyborgs this will be here the sacralization of all events will take place and raise the spirit, because you remember, we said many times here, including here on the programs later, that ukraine was being prepared for war with russia and she must fight in this war and be sure to win. and

these confirmations must have some facts. they should be constantly thrown into the information space and it doesn't matter. now for the ukrainian authorities. of course they tried carried out repeated them to save the living living legends show their people, but fail. well, it doesn't work. let them die. this is also good. points of view of the policy pursued by the ukrainians. yes, they will be sacred victims, they will be heroes who died for a just cause from the point of view. here is the ukrainian government for the just cause of ukraine and another very important fact. eh, i think that all this delay plays into the hands of the ukrainian authorities, of course. they have been preparing and have been preparing for all eight years as well. if suddenly the war, well, somehow it will not go according to their plan. if the west does not turn on actively, if

active actions against the russian federation begin, then they will wage a guerrilla war. and this war will last for many, many years. today, this freak, uh, ukrainian declares this, that is, narisovich, but declares that we will fight until 32.2035, and war. it will subside periodically, then again. rise and he compares himself begins. well, the state of ukraine begins to compare with the state, israel which has been fighting for how many decades there, in and in this war. today, israel has taken such a significant place there, therefore ukraine will also fight for a long time and will also take its place in this war and will definitely be the winner. that is, it is being pumped up, of course, the internal electorate is a very, very interesting addition to all these versions that take place to be that, and at the edge of the state of today's ukraine, today's

ukrainian, the authorities understand that the stubbornness of resistance and the success of prolonging the war. it their chance of being given more and more weapons. this means that they will become more and more necessary for the west, so that even here we turn to a conversation about what, in fact, today we consider, and the goal of the west is in this war. and how long they planned it, how hard. they planned it. now, immediately after the advertisement, we will return and even then we will analyze in detail. how can we understand such unexpectedly militant statements of the diplomat hurt. and not only hurt, do not switch. it is important. let's, somehow already at school, or something, well, everything is ready. yes, we started, how could after 10 attempts at eco just take it and forget to forget the drugs

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pronounced effect and we are in the first. uh, in the first part of the program we discussed the versions of why? what can explain such stubborn resistance of the armed forces of ukraine and the loss and one way or another, with all the explanations, came to the conclusion that mariupol is for all special reasons. this is just such a very concentrated part of what is prescribed for ukraine to do as much as possible to resist as much as possible to delay the resistance. and now we need to understand within the framework. what kind of strategy the west has, that is, is completely understandable. already now this design guys you resist, keep dragging out the war as much as possible, and we supply you more and more and more and more weapons and this is the most important question for us. what is the game of the west, that is, for what? and they are all, and they want to delay and

roughly speaking, how far away today. they are ready to go in this sense. now we are returning, just in time to josel, and not to himself, i must say, to the generally bloodthirsty and aggressive european politician until recently, all the more indicative. his statement the first time i heard his statement on friday night i was so, frankly , a little surprised, listen this war will be won on the battlefield, an additional 500 million euros from the reserve fund is in the implementation stage. the supply of weapons will be carried out taking into account the needs of ukraine . yes, it is necessary to negotiate, negotiations. now he says, in fact, that we will give ukraine so many weapons. how much will it take for her to win on the battlefield, but hearing it for the first time. i thought about what, well, like an old man, there

european, arrived in bucha. there, accordingly, all these arrested officers and zelensky are talented, all this means that he is talented. everything, this is a savings bag for them. they introduced and told, well, there, as if impressed. and after all this in the background. this means that this bloody big top named after zelensky well, as it were, he felt good and made such statements, but the next day he, in fact , repeated this. in general, with about the same degree of, let's say, rigidity. and so, well, the military scenario and so on. by the way, what do you need the question is, but as a person who deals with such matters that are not militant, not aggressive energy economy, as you have said more than once, that all this requires such a kind. and now you have an explanation from the point of view of the global scenario of what is happening between us and the west, these words of borel are still some kind of his personal individual psychological breakdown, or, as many believe, this is a reflection of a certain transition,

qualitative in the strategy of the west in relation to this conflict with russia well let me try express your opinion, uh. uh, i would probably dwell on the main reasons for the attitude of the west towards russia, or, it’s right to say, probably such an attitude from the west towards russia, uh, well, you said that i’m used to talking about the economy, by the way, there was a point of view that it’s possible to see uh, money aspects, so let's start with money, but unfortunately huge. in my opinion. this is not limited to money. i see three. three bishops, on which there is such a position and money - this is only one of the bishops, but money here more or less, in my opinion. uh, understandable, the situation the european union has been trying for several years to carry out such a global reformatting of the world economy in order to realize its economic plans

to impose its new economic energy standards, what is called the green economy green energy in order to, uh, deploy the situation of the world economy again in their favor, to again be, uh, the dominant carrier of technology. uh, by which the whole world must live apply to the european union to pay the european union and in fact. uh, what is happening now is such an aggressive economic pressure on russia, many people ask the question. after all , europe is punishing itself, and we talk about it and give the figures, they still do it . why? because in general it is? in fact, however paradoxical it may seem, their plans include the destruction of, say, a huge layer of the real european economy, but this is the layer that is recognized. uh, that sector from old life, which can be abandoned so there petrochemical metallurgy. it's a painful process, but

the european union is getting an excellent justification for this strategy. there is a terrible russia for the sake of it, for the sake of struggle. more specifically, strength. we are ready to tighten our belts to this european, europeans explain how we are without work, without food, without energy. them. they say you have to endure for the sake of important goals. then you will find yourself in a new wonderful world with reduced consumption. but this is all due to this one of the whales. that is, if the elephants that's about the elephant and about whale. this is what i want to clarify so that i understand correctly, that is, i understand you, so as for the european elites or some kind of elites, using the example of europe, they are now trying to use the conflict between russia and ukraine, but to condense the process of transition to a new economy, which would take years or decades to condense, explaining that here we do not want to, but to give it perfectly, because this is a painful process. that is, that is, roughly

speaking, yes, great, that is, break. how can you say this, because when in europe there they are talking about the abolition of capitalism, here in something they say that we are, as it were, changing like this, and roughly speaking, the energy energy and, most importantly, the hydrocarbon economy, on which they sat and depended on russia , are to blame for everything. instead of they just want to break it off, not the whole, because the break saves somewhere else. this is a very interesting economics. it is very interesting. there are two more. e other elephants, which, unfortunately for me, are a little far from this economy, but briefly about them, too told. the first elephant is still in in my opinion. uh, awareness is european or is it wrong to say there. awareness but here is the idea of ​​​​european elites regarding russia of the russian elite of citizens, that these are still some wild people with whom, in principle, there is no need to stand on ceremony, no matter how they strive for the same europe . also be frank. we have always remained second-class people, and in this regard,

what is there, especially and when you are surprised there that it’s like, uh, a european humanist, that is, you see, this is also the problem of europe, which says that we are humanists, we are tolerant people, and suddenly 145 million oe, the population is declared there as savage barves. and it doesn't matter if you support it. you are the way they support. the main thing is that you speak russian to them, it doesn’t matter whether it is from russia or not? uh-huh you consider yourself a var. i attack you there in europe there and so on. it 's a very process. uh, quite curious but uh. i see that the european union is really european - that's what i'm saying, they perceived us always like second-class people, and we always played along with this, well, i'll go, but read woe from wit. there, chatsky tells in detail how the then russian elite treated the same france, although we had just won the war. yes and but continued to talk in french about france is not in the world. better end. and so on. this went on for a decade. well, the last last moment. it seems to me that it is also important when we see once again i say, it seems that people are diplomats, european

humanists, who say, we must this resolve the conflict on the battlefield. that is, it means to destroy these barbarians. uh, that means, that is, we were, firstly, really expelled from the humane world, where there should be tolerance, that is, we don’t fit in there 145 million. they say it fits everywhere, but here it doesn’t fit. why is this happening? because it also seems to me that this concept is already pouring anger on the technology of managing european, because people first went through the skating rink. this all common tolerance they have a lot of questions when them.