here is such a split that occurred due to the lack of a unified management. so yes. while some marines surrender, others continue to resist. but i think that if adequate sane people who understand now the reality of what is happening, we see the appeal of the same azov, who is no longer so pretentious and, uh, in red-tongued already looks more like hysteria, then perhaps surrender always remains here. uh, no one shoots those walking with their hands up with white flags. here ready to receive people. here, uh, who have expressed a desire to surrender, who have laid down their arms, who no longer want to resist. this is the choice of each person. it is clear and one more, and maybe the main center of resistance, which, as i understand it , remains in mariupol is azovstal, we hear a lot, but we heard about attempts, and someone on helicopters. not so far. it is clear who to

evacuate from there. what do you know if these attempts continue? at what stage now, uh, the cleansing of the aze of steel, and when can we, uh, hear? uh, happy news. from there, please. well , regarding the timing of how much longer it will take, the liberation and cleansing of azov steel, and i still do n’t presume to judge, but ah, my assumption is that now at the very, let’s say, deep level of defense. that's where the most secure place is now concentrated, and the survivors, and above the command links. azov who were on the ground. and now, if there really are these people, uh, personalities, whom we want to know, whom they are trying to evacuate in such a way. i'm sure they are there because such attempts by the desperate ones have been and are being made, they are now in the most secure place, and all the rest are thrown to block them, but again, let's get

back to the fact that, well, as long as this is enough. now our unit is advancing very cautiously, because azov has become this, and in the extreme, a fortified area is well equipped. first of all, i’m leading the infrastructure itself. it provides a good opportunity for defense, so they work , uh, pointwise with support, and the russian aerospace forces the unmanned aviation federations, supported by artillery, are moving slowly, but here the question is exclusively, but in how to protect our army as much as possible from unnecessary losses from unnecessary risk, and they condemned no problem. in any case, i don’t see the fighters, too, they are all very determined, so the only question is to do all this with minimal losses, which is why such a cautious advance is now. i understand, thanks, georgy e, georgy medvedev was a war correspondent, he went out keep in touch with us and from near mariupol but he told

us about how the cleansing of this city and liberation is progressing. well, besides the fact that this is really important news, which we have all been following for several weeks. i asked george questions in such detail exactly within the framework. here is the very first question with which i started about what is the purpose of the west in this war and how to evaluate, and their transition to this one. uh, well, enough militant rhetoric, even in the performance of barrels because look mariupol here is one. yes, let it be a big city, but you understand from george's story. what forces? what means? ah? what efforts are needed in order to fully unlock it? and this despite the fact that in the sense of completely cleaning it up, and this despite the fact that this city is already surrounded, that is, there is nothing there, nothing is brought in, and so on and so forth, this tells us a little about the scale of the task of our armed forces decide in this sense , the question of nekita sergeevich arises in your opinion. this is still stubborn resistance in mariupol

this is the solution of some military tasks, then it is not clear which ones or it is something else. you have an understanding, what is the task of this or the reason for this mariupol resistance ? in fact, this message was directed towards the ukrainian society. we them to do everything in order to pump you weapons, and you do not even think about the negotiations. you should resist until the very end. you must use all the resources that we give you , including finances. these are weapons, these are guarantees only on the condition that you do exactly the same as those nazis who are blocked in mariupol, and in this sense, what barrel does is actually a landmark event. i'm just going to remind you that we 'll discuss more a month ago. this is very important in the first week of the beginning of a military special operation. he also gave

interviews. uh, i told our western media, you know, we did very a big mistake, that they still tried to believe that ukraine would become part of nato, he said this sincerely and look how hard the vector has changed, he comes to kiev after the meeting with zelensky says that there will be a war to the last ukrainian, and in this sense , i think it's very important he set the bar. he set the bar for both our country and the west once again. yes, his bar, which he set, which they did not set for themselves, which in a sense they set for us or set for her. we still let's talk. i'm still interested right now. well , since in the military sense, yes, there are pentagon barrels. by the way, a message has just come in that weapons are being delivered to ukraine from the pentagon by eight ten. eight dashes, ten flights a day and an almost constant flow of ground feces. i understand everything about the barrel about the pentagon that i don’t understand. we'll talk after

the ad, but still, even using the example of mariupol , you have an understanding of this stubborn resistance. here it is. eh, so to speak with teeth they hold on, what is it why uh, what are they fighting for they are fighting for a radical change in this war for them it is, if you like, stalingrad if you want, uh, the kursk bulge for them is a symbol that they can defeat one of those symbols here , for which it clings and which they relay in the same uh, the group surrounded there to other military groups, uh, which uh. one way or another, they are already in contact with russian troops. for them, this is a symbol of the ukrainian victory, under which they tie up absolutely everything, including the hopes that that the west will help us. oh, people will come. uh what if the more we hold on. uh, the more, the faster and more reliably the west will crush russia, uh, subject it to all sorts of sanctions. she

will give up and get exhausted. well, this whole uh, this whole complex. eh, myths and for them. let's do it. let's. uh, this is a complex of myths and laziness, this complex, which in many of our citizens causes, so to speak, massive disturbing questions and so on. we'll talk about that too. how long can you resist. and this is also the answer to the question. what are they waiting to tighten? i don't know if the mariupol fighters think about it, but about how long can russia resist for absolutely? it was clearly stated by correspondent medvedev who said our fighters are in no hurry because they want to avoid. excuse me, your losses. for russia, this is, uh, a minimum of losses with a maximum of, uh, result, and these people. here they are, uh, i repeat. here it is no longer from the military meaning, or rather the military meaning is reduced to the psychological. yeah, everything on the psychological. eh, some conclusion. e in the century. i will repeat. fetish

into a certain symbol. here, look indigenous in this sense, indeed. i'm interested in your versions of your understanding of what, given that mariupol is absolutely blocked. well, yes, it sort of holds back, of course, some grouping of our armed forces pulls it towards itself, but i don’t think that this is critical, for example, for fate. eh, groupings vsu. do you have an understanding why is it taking so long in mariupol? why is it so tight? and roughly speaking, what is holding us back as well. for example, once over and over again i can’t understand what is holding back, for example, us from resolving the issue with the same azov steel. well, let's say some volumetric vacuum ammunition there, and so on and so forth, which definitely exist, i don’t understand this, but i still don’t understand a lot of things. and you, and i’m a simple woman, and i understand, i went to you with this question, so i understand that for 8 years, and in the depths of azov, a modern base began to be created.

nato latent, hidden eye. so, therefore, there she is nato, officers, and there is something hide, because such objects are placed there, which, if they fall into our hands, or if we at least, even see the fragments of these objects. then problems arise on the other side, we will find out some of their secrets. that's what they are fighting for and forgive me, please, they created on this map, but in this eastern part on the coast they created. in general, absolutely uh, the impregnable citadel is true. we are told that there is 24 km at a depth of great depth, in theory, we could take it, i apologize, but i understand that we could shy away, many people are shy, so we really need to

find out what exactly they find there, therefore, of course, there are psychological aspects. i agree they make sense, but what is clear is that they are not the main ones, because it would be easy to transfer all this psychology somewhere in the information field to other points in ukraine, this is easily the only point in some way, that is not yet others. that's just the grouping. here is a big one, she is there, 95, they say, there are such points, but why is it mariupol because there are some special objects are also located for 8 years, when they strengthened and hid this business, if not by chance, they took the selected ones there, but the azov people banned in russia. and so on. it's logical. and i would like two words. can i tell you about this very barrel. i have been processed. you will say 22 words after the advertisement. let's not spend now in bali. we will now discuss in detail i repeat, and the statement - they are very revealing from the point of view of the fact that in

some yes please note that the second phrase is about money. he is the outgoing nature, passing people budget, lovely apologies for the jargon . it is clear nothing is a field of the mountain. i would really like to, and you will convince me, try to convince our viewers of this after advertising and that this is harsh and harsh. uh, the barrel statement is about the budget. it seems to me that it’s something else about some money , but still i want to ask you, well, since you did work, let’s say it does with human material, so to speak, being in the position in which you were nonetheless. do you have an understanding of what is the meaning of this long, tough and stubborn resistance in mariupol ? well, as they say. here the bombs rested, we hold on to the end from the series do not give up after all.

well, if we consider this issue from the point of view of ukraine, the so-called ukrainian authorities, then there is a sense here, of course. so i would just push the military topic a little aside, agreeing that this is certainly a fortified area, very powerful. and no doubt that for eight years it was formed there, but for ukraine this is the point now . in my opinion, some kind of sacred topic, because it will be compared with the same airport in donetsk where there were some cyborgs. here it will be. here the sacralization of all events will take place and raise the spirit. after all, you remember we said repeatedly here, including here on the programs later, that ukraine was being prepared for a war with russia and it must fight in this war and definitely win. and these confirmations must have some facts. they are should be constantly thrown into the information

space and without a difference. now for the ukrainian authorities. of course, they made repeated attempts to save the living, living legends show their people, but they fail. well, it doesn't work. let them die. this is also good. points of view of the policy pursued by the ukrainian. yes, they will be sacred victims, they will be heroes who died for a just cause from the point of view. here is the ukrainian government for the right. i make ukraine and another very important fact. eh, i think that all this delay plays into the hands of the ukrainian authorities, of course. they have been preparing and have been preparing for all eight years as well. if suddenly the war, well, somehow it will not go according to their plan. if the west does not turn on actively, if active actions against the russian federation begin, then they will wage a guerrilla war. and this war

will last for many, many years. today, this freak, uh, ukrainian says this is what is happening, but declares that we will fight until 32.2035, and war. this will be periodically subside, then again. rise and he compares himself begins. well, the state of ukraine is beginning to be compared with the state, israel, which has been fighting for decades, in and in this war. today, israel has taken such a significant place there, therefore ukraine will also fight for a long time and will also take its place in this war and will definitely be the winner. that is, it is being pumped up, of course, the internal electorate is a very, very interesting addition to all these versions that have a place to be that a at the edge of the state of today's ukraine, today's ukrainian, the authorities understand that the stubbornness of resistance and the success of prolonging the war. this is

their chance to be given more and more weapons. this means that they will become more and more necessary for the west, so that even here we turn to a conversation about what, in fact, today we consider, and the goal of the west is in this war. and how long they planned it, how hard they planned it. choose your hit on ozon new spring collection from the patrol brand is already on ozon plus free delivery by courier or to pickup points.

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will tell, we continue to work live. and we in the first e, in the first part of the program, discussed in sufficient detail the uh versions of why. otherwise, with all the options for explanations, they came to the conclusion that mariupol is for all special reasons. this is just such a very concentrated part of what is prescribed for ukraine to do as much as possible to resist as much as possible delaying the resistance. and now we need to understand within the framework. what kind of strategy the west has, that is, is completely understandable. already now, here is this design . you guys are resisting, keep dragging out the war as much as possible. and we are supplying you with more and more and more and more weapons, and this is the most important question for us. what is the game of the west that is for what? and they are all, and they want to drag out and

saying, how far they are ready to go today in this sense, now we are returning, just to josep barel, and not to himself, i must say, in general, a bloodthirsty and aggressive european politician until recently, the more revealing his statement. the first time i heard his statement on friday night i was so, frankly , a little surprised, listen this war will be won on the battlefield, an additional 500 million euros from the reserve fund is in the process of implementation of the supply of weapons will be carried out taking into account the needs of ukraine in other words , the european diplomat, who said a few weeks ago, there are searches, it is necessary to negotiate negotiations. now he says, in fact , that we will give ukraine so many weapons. how much will it take for her to win on the battlefield, but hearing it for the first time. i thought that, well, as if an elderly man, european there, came to the storm. there, respectively, talented

all these arrest officers and zelensky to him all this, means talented. everything, this is a savings bag for them. they introduced and told, well, there, as if impressed. and after all this in the background. this means that this bloody big top named after zelensky well, as it were, he felt good and made such statements, but the next day he was in fact . this repeated. in general, with about the same degree of, let's say, rigidity. and so, well, the military scenario and so on. by the way, what do you need a question for you, but as a person who deals with such matters, not militant, not aggressive energy economy, as you have said more than once, that all this requires such a kind. and now you have an explanation from the point of view of the global scenario of what is happening between us and the west, these words of borel are still some kind of his personal individual psychological breakdown, or, as many believe, this is a reflection of a certain transition, qualitative in the strategy of the west in relation to

this conflict with russia well, let me try my point of view, uh, set out. uh, i would probably dwell on the main reasons for the attitude of the west to russia, or is it correct to say, probably such an attitude from the west to russia a. well, you said that i'm used to talking about the economy, by the way, there was a point of view that you can see here, uh, monetary aspects, so let's start with money, but unfortunately huge. in my opinion. this is not limited to money. i see three. three bishops, on which there is such a position and money - this is only one of the bishops, but the money is more or less here, in my opinion. uh, understandable, the situation is the european union, for several has been trying for years to carry out such a global reformatting of the world economy in order to realize its economic plans

to impose its new economic energy standards, what is called green economy green energy in order to turn the situation of the world economy back in its favor, to again be e , the dominant carrier of technology. uh, according to which the whole world should live , turn to the european union to pay the european one. union and actually the fact that such an aggressive economic pressure on russia, many ask the question. after all , europe is punishing itself, and we are talking about it and citing figures, they do it anyway . why? because in general it is? in fact, no matter how paradoxical it may seem, their plans include the destruction of, say, a huge layer of the real european economy, but this is the layer that is recognized, uh, that sector from the old life, which can be abandoned there by petrochemical metallurgy. this is a painful process, but the european union, within the framework of this strategy, receives

great excuse. there is a terrible russia for the sake of it, for the sake of struggle. more specifically, strength. we are ready to tighten our belts to this european. the european is explained how so we are without work without products without energy. them. they say you have to endure for the sake of important goals. then you will find yourself in a new wonderful world with reduced consumption. but it all explains everything i say. this is one of the whales. that is, if elephants that's about the elephant and about the whale. that's about it. i want to clarify so that i understand correctly, that is, i understand you, so what about the european elites or some kind of for the elites, using the example of europe, they are now trying to use the conflict between russia and ukraine, but to condense the process of transition to a new economy, which would take years or decades to condense, explaining that we don’t want to, but it’s fine, because this is a painful process. that is, that is, roughly speaking, yes, the great, that is, to break in

something. this can be said, because when in europe they talk about the abolition of capitalism, they say in some way that we are, as it were, changing like this, and roughly speaking, to blame for everything energy the energy needle of the hydrocarbon economy, on which they sat and depended on russia. instead of jumping up, they simply want to break the whole, because somewhere else the economy has been reworked. this is a very interesting economics. it is very interesting. there are two more. and other elephants, which, unfortunately for me, are a little far from this economy, but i also spoke briefly about them. the first elephant is still in in my opinion. ah, awareness. or is it wrong to say awareness but here is a representation of european elite in relation to russia, the russian elite of citizens, that they are still some wild people, with whom, in principle, there is no need to stand on ceremony, no matter how they strive. the same europe, let's also speak frankly. we have always remained second-class people, and in this regard, what is there, especially and when you are surprised that there is something like, uh, a

european humanist, that is, you see, this is also the problem of europe, which says that we are humanists, we are tolerant people and suddenly 145 million oe, the population is declared there as barbarian savages. and it doesn't matter if you support it. you are the way they support. the main thing is that you speak russian to them, it doesn’t matter whether it is from russia or not? uh-huh you consider yourself a var. i attack you there in europe there and and so on. it's a very process . uh, quite curious but uh. i see that the european union is really european - that's what i'm saying, they always perceived us as second-class people, and we always played along with this, well, i'll go read woe from wit. there, chatsky tells in detail how the then russian elite belonged to the same france, although we just won the war. yes and but continued to talk in french about france is not in the world. better end. and so on. this went on for a decade. well, the last last moment. it seems to me that it is also important when we see once again i say, it seems that people are diplomats, european humanists, who

say, we must resolve this conflict on the battlefield. that is, it means to destroy these barbarians. uh, that means, that is, we, firstly, were really excluded from the humane world, where it seems there should be tolerance, that is, we don’t fit in there 145 million. they say it fits everywhere, but here it doesn’t fit. why is this happening? because it also seems to me that this concept is such a watering, the technology for managing european anger is already, because people first went through the rink of this all-together tolerance, they have a lot of questions, when they are told, you should love syrian refugees there, they have questions . why should we do this further there is a covid history, very difficult and people like the psyche is also staggering a little, and they are told, listen to everything, it's just that the russians are really to blame for everything. that's exactly what these russians really unleashed in our calm, quiet europe , where there have never been any wars there since the forty-fifth year, forget yugoslavia, they just don't exist there. turkey bought there. kip actually some stories there was nothing like that. this means that for the first time in the last 60 years everything is there, that is,

these are, firstly, second-class people, no laws of humanism apply to them, and then there are economic and other reasons, so once again i say the laws of humanism, in their understanding does not work here, and therefore even such seemingly civilized people. they say it is necessary to their military way to the end interesting to solve interesting elephants as well. in general, one another, as they say, uh. so this is one of the other layers, and, indeed, the same barrel is not only barrel can be cited. many of them are time or just very indicative, because, even if he spoke this language, and he does not jump off of this language he keeps saying it. look, this is today's burger. and this is the same barrel that clearly broadcasts not some personal story of its own, but broadcasts something radically, changed in the minds and plans of those on behalf of whom it says all this, listen to the head of diplomacy of the european

union, jose barrel, calls on the countries eu members promptly provide kyiv with the weapons it has asked for as ukraine prepares for russia to step up its campaign in the east countries barrel told eu diplomats that a decision must be made within days, not weeks? and look at barrel who doesn't just talk, there are some smeared things. he says no no need on the battlefield. need more weapons. we urgently need more weapons, as quickly as possible and the question arises. this is clearly not him by himself, but he is broadcasting some, or a new plan, or some new, let's say, stage of their plan for us there, based there on some kind of elephants, but then what is this plan in your opinion now, that is, how far. they are now, apparently ready to go. i don’t know, i think that, in my opinion, the west has long known that this violinist

is not needed, so pay attention to how he was running around somewhere in the dressing rooms and he was not allowed into serious negotiations. he does not decide anything and he does not really have any powers. he really is. i totally agree with you, only broadcasts. my point of view, in my opinion, is going, pumping out and in the future aim at pumping out certain funds, including, maybe even they hope someday, as it were, to compensate. here, they stole 300 billion from us. here they seem to justify this theft, uh, by the fact that we are here. you fought here, we helped ukraine, and this is the very thing in order to scam our 300 billion. that's because we are behind them we will come, and they will tell us, well, you understand, and we had a different point of view. look to the point.

let's just say that ukraine won't be able to pay for everything , that's the whole story for you, that is, people, it's not just about the barrel. the fact is that here you have anna lena berg who says that ukraine needs more weapons, it's time for creativity. well , she has such an interesting idea, and that means, here’s creativity, and johnson, who, of course, talks about the transfer, which means, uh, already ship-based missiles, by the way, ship-based missiles, that is, missiles that, in principle, could represent threat to our black sea fro. uh, the pentagon tells the fleet that a number of countries have already transferred tanks to ukraine, and a number of countries are still thinking about it, you know? here's to you, and slovakia which supplies there. uh, the s-300 division, but it is no more, but, and it is no more, but nevertheless it was also transferred to the czech republic- and you understand, i have a brief. i can help you, of course, you just answer my question. you reduce all this, there to a barrel of 300 billion. people, in fact, they say we will not stop.