my understanding suggests that you need to understand that the azafstal is much smaller than the ilyich agglomeration and beyond ours, so a small group can keep the defense there. i think there, i think there are about 2,000 people there, but you need to understand the quality of these people, because something tells me that there is a nato instructor there. e hmm from various e countries of the world who are helping there and it is very important, but it is for the sake of capturing such people and getting information why nato military personnel are taking part in conflicts in the south-east of ukraine thank you very much kim apache was in direct contact with us. uh, a war correspondent, i think he's a news agency. anna news now. let's put it all together , so it's clear that some kind of game is yes. i think that if the analogy is with cards, it already sounded quite appropriate in the studio, and because how it unfolds this is solitaire games, because they finally get the trump card and, apparently, the last one. i understand that today's arrest.

yes, not an arrest, in fact, it's like a different way name, because it is, of course, you are lexical. already taking a hostage is absolutely accurate. yes, yes, viktor medvedchuk, a citizen of ukraine, a citizen of ukraine, a ukrainian politician, one of the most, in fact, so influential ukrainian politicians, judging by their results, so to speak, in the elections to the rada. yes, this, of course, is not an arrest. this is too correct a word. it's a capture, it's a capture. so this is visible, but probably it is the trump card that pulls out the trump card when all the other cards are already beaten. this is also a fact really. yes, but nevertheless, who made me get this body. let's also remember what was around, what preceded this capture, a preceded it after the capture. that's what it means, and the visits are numerous visits to kiev of various kinds, which means, e figures. uh, the brightest of the western ones is, of course, more johnson, here he goes like that, by the way, people were wary of how he looks there, right? boris johnson huh? as usual, i cheered up the

next literally the next day, in my opinion, that's what history means. with viktor medvedchuk for something you live presented it. i think we have the right, as they say in france, the ladies are still mediocre divorced. so, it seems to me that we have the right to assume that johnson's visit and the capture of medvedchuk were somehow connected. why do we remember the third part and the third element of this simple solitaire game, the third element is, of course, mariupol - this is the very azov steel. azov masha is the name or tea and so on, but an attempt to break through is an attempt to break through, yes, an unsuccessful one, but nevertheless an attempt to break through, and the capture of thousands of superfluous marines uh american unloading american here, i spoke ukrainian with suspicion that there are, what are some? uh, some people are the third element of that very simple solitaire game. well, today's visit of a whole group. how can there be baltic tigers? yes, here they are the baltic tigers foliage of estonia and poland and

poland yes a here, respectively, respectively, 4 elements of this solitaire and kozyr let's try to understand alexey borisovich let's try to understand what kind of picture, how this solitaire develops, what is it called when we let's turn over all the cards. uh, they will surprisingly turn out to be also elements of a certain. what is the name of a puzzle? that's what kind of picture we saw, but it is called, probably, correctly, a military-political game, a military-political game , or military-political actions. of course, i think this solitaire is much more complicated than the four puzzles that you have already mentioned, of course, there are still a huge number of grooves that we don’t see yet, which only top management knows about and put them together correctly. i already said in the previous part of the program that the visit of the baltic tigers. i'm glad you liked it, this expression is good. yes, yes, let's take into service that this, of

course, is an element. uh, it seems to me, a demonstration of the solidity of europe in which i want to say it again, i begin to doubt, because the opposition of the offended steinmeier appears. this resentment against germany appears today on the pages of the bbc, uh, information on a rocket fired at kramatorsk. and it’s already difficult to argue with this, and a lot of things that even explain who suddenly doesn’t listened to the bbc at night and as before, it is important to explain what they found out, that is, british journalists. you were forced to admit that here is the tail number of this very missile. he is the same, and he says that this rocket belongs to ukraine. i don't know why i said it, but nobody did. says b. after all, uh, yes, well, not russian. god be with him. we drove on. no do not go further, this growth remains a terrible and monstrous crime.

so you said, and dear colleagues, when will betta who should answer for him for this crime put they released a video accompanied by captions. well, it's already making an impression. what they give up as a question, in general, at least so, therefore, these are also elements of the same game and, of course, capture. eh, medvedchuk has certain political goals, of course, no non-military ones, and right there an exchange offer, and today, by the way, mr. medvedev has already reacted to this statement. well, he reacted, in a certain way emotionally. probably this is also correct, but that's not accidental. now information is beginning to appear from our side about the capture of a very high-ranking military man. well bye then. as i understand it, this is information rumors rumors. yes, therefore, we will not, basically, say the last name, so there will still be a lot of puzzles. what picture. they must eventually

come together, it is clear that sooner or later in any military action a radical turning point occurs. i understood everything, understood everything here vladimir vladimirovich uh. you liked our analogy with a picture with a puzzle, so to speak. you speak, then write, to us it, when the cards are opened, it turns out that this is not solitaire. and a game in a thimble. that is, that's what in the end all this will clarify in the same place, really. thank you yes or mail, but also, respectively, who supported them later. to british journalists, uh, a briton has been captured. e hmm eileen uh, so uh, and the brit. enough mercenary, and they are now trying to prove it. yes, relatives turned to russia, who recognized this, by the way, to the question of the ukrainians, who noticed this information about the capture of more than a thousand people. yes, they immediately to say that this was staged shooting was nothing serious. well, you heard that the arrestovich said that in general the brilliant breakthrough operation is completely known by the nickname of the cossack gundi.

eh means e. he often brows with his meaning, this is how he will, uh, shoot russians there and so on. now he is in captivity. and so, uh, what i'm talking about. here is the recognition of the mail and well, and, accordingly, other british newspapers and relatives are very useful. why because shows such captured, and surrendered such real people, since this briton proves that it is allegedly from the eighteenth year that a citizen of ukraine joined the ukrainian armed forces. i appeals to putin that is, it turns out you eyes. we are truly a beast. although flippers on the same we wrote. sorry that boris johnson is the main instigator, in general we don’t do all this with prisoners, since the ukrainians. and they will also have to admit this, but why do i want to say confirmation that he is such a mercenary he was convicted in britain he was arrested in britain for

mercenarism. that is, he is from the point of view of british laws in syria when he fought there. and now he came to shoot the russians and now they say we are too carried away by this same guy. yes, it is clear that this is very important. this is important to me for sure. yes, but i want to understand the general picture of the concept, right? indeed, we do not know when he was captured, in fact, judging by his haggard appearance, da e, we assume that he was captured as soon as there was information about that , or at least not the heat from the er, ladies from -under house arrest and the worst. that's when they say avakov now. yes, directly says hostage zelensky directly says we will exchange the hostage for the ukrainian military the leader of one of the largest political parties in ukraine, that is, directly they say we have taken hostages. yes , first of all, it is necessary, of course, to answer my field marshals for privates, we do not change. yes, as it was said at one time in this connection, if it comes

to the exchange of politicians for ukrainian citizens and so on, then it is necessary immediately that they take out all their trump cards and present and ask an idea. and if even after the ukrainian opposition politicians , political scientists, including those who spoke here in the studios. where were they divided? they are going, apparently, so to present and we all live and in general or not? let ukraine explain, here we have the exact confirmation given that the seventy-year-old yantakchur poet was arrested. yes, mikhail boris dressed up for mushrooms , he was already abroad, thank you. praise god, where do we know vasily volga, his relatives admitted that he was tortured, wounded during the service. eh, and here i am i look in the form keeps not in prison, nor in the service. the sbu is somewhere, but they are kept at a military base. precisely, as a hostage, and you understand, yes, that is, how many such people? i'm just afraid to give a surname,

you know it's not necessary. yes, so that someone is hiding and hmm, so as not to remind saying, look to remember. in short, a hostage. in short, look, if you have come to this, it is even obvious that this is absolutely some kind of inhuman resemblance that has nothing to do with the leadership of the country, it has nothing to do with it. i it's difficult to interpret, after all. how agony such trump cards get such monstrous trump cards only as a last resort, apparently, it has come, that very extreme case is generally worth noting, what is here? yes, they have the whole country hostage, and what happened in mariupol when they held people, they used it like a human shield. this is obvious. and how the kiev authorities treat their own citizens, the citizens of ukraine, european human rights activists will pay attention rhetorically, you know, turn to maryana naumova, who returned. uh, thank god alive healthy from the donbass and maryana introduced a very important project for all of us called. we are alive people and our

project continues. naturally. we will also watch , but we will empathize and weep, rejoice and smile a project about people about people who are 8 years old. they were waiting for the right to life the right to freedom the right to meet their long-awaited relatives with they could not see each other because they were simply separated, they were forbidden to leave the cities that were under the control of the ukrainian regime, but maryana saw it all personally showed you more will show marian glad to see you in our studio. well, what are the first impressions after you came back to you? hello , glad to be here, finally returned, but literally not for long, because my journalist friends are staying there, who are now doing their work. i will return there soon, because there is a lot of work, a lot of people who need help, and this project is very important for me, because it has become a part of my life, which i have been doing for 8 years in the donbass, of

course, donbass met me. uh, empty streets because the men had gone to the front. e not in stores. e essential products. it’s even difficult to buy a stew to take it away, die it. no, e important medicines. there insulin for shchitovidki impressions. you say you have been doing this for 8 years before this was not the case before it was a little bit. it’s easier now, the situation with water and heating - this also affects people very hard and, accordingly, any shells can fly to any place at any time, even to the central district of donetsk. but most importantly, i, of course, communicated with people and despite the fact that their apartments burned down, they have no documents. they live in the basement. they say, maryana, how good it is that you came, your soldiers yes, if i hadn’t heard it myself, i wouldn’t have believed it, because i thought that the people who remained left with nothing they would, well, somehow be angry with me there or at all. us it would be in fact, well explained thank you for coming to us it became so calm with you so safe. and these people impressed me

the most. and, of course, i talked with children, and with dima is a khizhnyak from kiroy and gondorenko. we've shown them in previous episodes and these little kids are already in big trouble. let's see what happened. in one of our programs, they talked about dima khizhnyakov from mariupol, a boy and his parents were fleeing shelling by the armed forces in the basement, a shell flew right into the house. dima to donetsk to the children's hospital. well, in a similar one, the bomb must have fallen, because there in turke now, well, the house collapsed, there the floors were broken boards, then we have a basement

descent under the kitchen, and in the kitchen there are boards. draw dima's relatives could not be found for a long time, so he was transferred to a social center for children left without parents. we have joined the search. and as soon as the connection appeared, we managed to find his own grandmother, uncle and aunt. now we have arrived at the address where the relatives of the boy dima live. i really hope that we will look for them here now. we're fine here, don't worry.

khizhnyakov dima, he is said to be in khartsysk. here we are, our grandmother is here with us, our uncle is also here, everyone is waiting for you, we thought, how else would we go to pick him up. i do not know how it is at all, perhaps, too, i think. i'm glad, because well, dima is well, ours, well, we won't leave him. we want it, as they say, we will be together. oh, my god, educate, everything else. well, what to do, well, leave him, no one is going to, especially his dear grandmother. and uncle. as i understand it, he does not know, yes, that his parents are dead. no, how can i tell you? i don't know if he was

there. yeah, when the shell actually hit, and he got out, he ran to forgive for help, there was a tv and a brick on him. and my mom says i didn't see it. there was a lot of blood on the brick right on the head, but he did not find his mother and he ran and ran to look for help. that 's why people and here he was there art we were sitting in the basement watching tv. dad made it so that there was a tv in the basement so that we would not be bored and the shell was a direct hit. she called me for the last time, my mother is going on here, this is going on here does not know, well, at least we know where they are buried, they are buried right in the yard. i don't know if it will be possible to re-enter the cemetery next to the cemetery. we really hope that you will help us gain a lot. now, without special permission

, it is impossible to move between the settlements of the republic, a deputy of the people's council of the dpr volunteered to help. you need to take medical care in the area of ​​the hour of the event, which is now needed to connect you with your nephew. it's so good when there are

good friends, this is a deputy of the people's council of the dpr thanks to him, we can help the family, as it turned out dima has many relatives, they, like all residents of the city, had to live practically on the front line for the last month. we boil the fire and drink and cook from it. another thing from her. this is thank you, they also bring humanitarian aid by metro. and, well, at least they got a little water to eat , boiled, when before the humanitarian aid the court was without potatoes, that is, porridge is one meal, a little bit of butter was what stocks remained. and so we had nine people, my sister left with two children

in donetsk we have six left to get something. we leave then he will be upset, but we will promise to pick him up. either way, just take it. cold did you go to the kindergarten from us? well, this is somewhere from february to march, the month we ourselves called. communications did not know anything, and in general they made an information hole there, no one knows anything.

i think she will be very happy when she already knows well. they were friends with him, dabbled in a couple. so i think it should be fine. well, of course, the child will have to lie. but the long-awaited meeting had to be postponed. it turned out that the legal formalities could not be resolved in a day, i thought, we’ll take dima earlier , well, it won’t work. well, for now, we will give and we will not go, because we do not want to upset him, so that the child does not get upset. everything will come to our hotel tomorrow. miroslav on wednesday morning.

can you call us so that you are ready here documents or not? that is, we are waiting until wednesday we are waiting we will continue to follow the story, dima khizhnyakova, we hope that the long-awaited meeting with the grandmother will take place any day, but the families are still to come long way to mariupol, they are afraid to return and we will look for people who are ready to accept refugees in russia, then its postal address, which you can contact. and we told little kira gondorenko in one of the last issues, the girl was born in early march in mariupol, not in a hospital or in a maternity hospital, but in a broken apartment, where there is no light, water and heat. she spent the first days of her life in a shelter, but her parents decided at all costs to run on foot under sleeper fire with a baby in her arms, they got to donetsk with him the first time they met was pregnant. well, how would it be the risks of going out, in principle, the bombs bombed very hard. everything was in smoke, everything was on fire, and the house went to stay in donetsk under shelling

without water, electricity, and it was impossible to leave with the baby. they could not even have documents for a girl, in order to get them it was necessary to pass dna, because kira was not born in a maternity hospital. and in general, donetsk can do without medical care now . it is very difficult. now they're planning to make it in russia we're on the way more, sort of we were already a little tired for a day. we finally got to the place where they don’t shoot calmly, and where my child, my wife, is comfortable on shakira for 22 days already and she has already come through such a difficult path. an ordinary family from the village of ivanishchevo agreed to shelter refugees from mariupol. maria sideva has three children in a small house in the village, where she received our

heroes. hello masha come on guys. now i will show you and there will be your room, for now , settle down like this, and there tomorrow we will make everything more comfortable boys. here you can wash kira in a bath, i have a baby, we'll bring it tomorrow. well , everything you need we will find here with us a piano. i have one of my sons who is already playing well in the fifth grade, so if kira suddenly starts crying, i think when he plays for small children they usually calm down thank you for understanding us differently, i couldn’t, so you are welcome . yes, the difficulty. you have such good people,

listen to maryan, it hurt me a little. first, this actyozhyo cut. oh, you have to show the lodging, then it means you have to, well, thanks, that they didn't ask. this means a certificate of real horror during the bombing. so, there i don’t know the act that you had discomfort in this basement and so on. i mean, everything sounds. it is, of course, wild and psychedelic in general on the one hand. then i began to think and thought. well listen, but on the other hand, but on the other hand. well, yes, there is an order. well, yes, there is a law. perhaps there is a procedure. yes, perhaps, so to speak, in the conditions, so to speak, of the military. she is not very local, but from a third party. listen, it 's war. this is, apart from everything else. like this the same situation is another reason. i don't suspect anyone, i don't blame anyone. but it is also an occasion for some kind of manipulation. therefore, the other side, so to speak, the bureaucratic one, can also be understood, of course, the law is the law, and even in our law in the administrative code there is an article 2.7 urgent necessity, and it says that a violation of the law e, produced in a state of emergency

to eliminate, and the danger people's lives or protection, and the interests of the country is not an offense. and of course, these are the children. as kira like dima, these are our russian children who need protection and are now in danger. i run into problems like this all the time to me across the border. it was necessary to conduct 10 walkie-talkies to the unit, which is now conducting a sweep at the plant of ilyich. hmm, these are dual-use goods , problems arise with them. but now they are needed there now, my friend anna, she is the company's castle. they are there now and these walkie-talkies are now needed. yes, then i think you won't recognize, by the way, hello. there is also another problem that here is my friend recently transported quadcopter. you understand some kind of quadrocopters. a necessity in urban combat and that's why there are problems? i really want to appeal to the people, to the legislators who are involved in all this, so that they pay attention to this. and as soon as possible , they took all the necessary measures and introduced this legal field to ask, but on the other hand. yes, to

prevent it from being used in some way, it’s definitely good that he ’s talking about it, but, but it’s not like that, not trivial questions in general and how to solve it in vasily's speech. i don't really understand, once again on the one hand. and, of course, there is still a need to ask as much as possible. well, such a situation, well, true, but on the other hand, excessive forgiveness leads to manipulation. this is also what we really understand here. and by the way, excuse me, right? here you understand specifically, because the situation when we know, here is the guy who was talking about the captive vushnik. yes , they went out, they were one and a half thousand, so they went out. but they gave up. as a result, as we know 1.026, where these 500 people, why are they running there? who do they pretend to be, what do they do, you know? that is , in fact, it is also a question for the very bureaucratic and all sorts of us structures. that is, should they relax? or maybe tense up in this situation? i don't know i don't have an answer. and you have me, in general, that when the situation is military, then here, uh, life has the world to live in peace and measure by

peaceful standards. well, it’s impossible to do so, therefore he says absolutely correctly, probably, it is necessary to adopt amendments to the laws as soon as possible clarifications and further in accordance with them act strictly act otherwise was an abuse, so that there was no abuse. what should be the logic of these clarifications. i'm not asking you there already. eh, there literally call them to tell. there from the point of view. there uh, legal science and so on. here, well, the logic of the changes should not be such as it is, a special military operation. so she must legally. that's because what's happening there is equated to war. we faced this in chechnya, that there is no legal war. technically they are working, but there is a war, you know, that's why i will say this about relaxing not relaxing. well, not everyone made the decision to surrender, and that's what all the marines are about. it's just that ukrainian servicemen are frostbitten azov people. uh,

you can't watch neo nazis mercenaries. eh, the situation looks the other way. yes, we said that among the surrendered of these marines. there are women, there are 47 women in my opinion, and what prevents this woman? yes, she will not suspect anyone to introduce herself there, which means that the victims will take some child there were cases. yes, well done, who were not not, we cannot say, because he should not have taken it at all, which seemed to be. she introduced herself. just she is there i watched this video in detail. uh, murat guests. so she introduced me to my sister food. what are you? i'm here, i just have a residence permit. no, i'm local and so on. well, it’s good that they saw through it, so to speak, and look, yes, well , yes, there’s an appeal, all of a sudden they yes of procedures, here somehow you need to strike a balance. it is very difficult. as they say, war is war, so uh in war can not be any relaxation there and for what

reason, with regard to these children who suffered? yes, i think that they should firstly be introduced into the territory of russia where there are no hostilities, where there are no sounds of serial explosions, that they at least adapted to peaceful normal life. where will the relatives take them, they are also fighting . removing this stress, transfer the fuck to relatives, and then they will bomb there, and then the second stress. why is it necessary to withdraw to russia we have good roads, look. it's very important to eat here. uh, take translate. transportation, especially children, is all connected with legislative acts that provide the possibility of this transportation not transportation. yes, but what, that first of any normal person, that his hearing and eyesight are cut, yes, what maryana talked about, what you need to listen to even in such a situation. you are asking us some bureaucratic obstacles. are you crazy the first thing you want to say? are you really crazy people there, they are trying to

get out by bombing. what are you, and then the next so to speak e reflection. yes, when you see this aunt sniper, who appears there as this very civilian, i to my sister, and so on. suddenly you realize that obstacles may be justified, of course, i'm just talking about this and somewhere the golden mean. or maybe it makes sense to endure, maybe it makes sense to endure, then all the same, the family will be reunited . the fact of the matter is that the family is what it is to establish? we know how ukraine is now shouting zelensky in all its broadcasts, speeches in parliaments. screaming, russia is kidnapping our children. here is maryana, too, in her own one of the re. it is necessary to tell about kira obidinskaya, yes, the girl who was rescued by pulling her to donetsk from mariupol from the collapse to a neighbor saved, yes, zelensky, and ukraine at the international level they scream kidnapped her. dad is somewhere out there from ukraine . he's screaming. eh, so here you need to understand that any such export will be.