and zelensky, with all his new political capital and ostentatious self-confidence, would find it hard to go against the grain in the united states if this became the official line of the american government. but remember, trump treated putin in general, positively, of course, on his own administration. far from always allowing him to act on this basis. well, and finally, there is the congress factor, and the congress today is becoming more and more openly anti-russian to russia , and i would even say, to some extent, many there russophobes. i draw a distinction between a harsh stance on russian policy. well, and simply hostility and even hatred for everything russian, there are such sentiments in congress and cannot but take them into account. everything if zelensky had been told. our beloved friend you, take it easy and know your place, otherwise, this is how

reagan spoke, this is how nixon spoke, but he doesn’t talk like that. you know him by his main profession legislator congress, but sharp statements, then they follow compromises. and these i compare this situation and the situation of any bumblebee, well known to you dmitry. saakishvili is all in the administration. eh, god, and the younger said, do not flattery. uh-huh don't meddle there 's no need to attack russian peacekeepers. but as i was then told, uh, the former american ambassador to moscow, now the director of zubilburns a. saakishvili, paid less attention to what he was told officially and more to how they react to him, how they receive him, who returns his phone calls. and now i

have a feeling that zelensky, but if you want i got the impression that, maybe they tell him, do n’t do some things, but if he does, and if it works out, you won’t just uh, pat him on the head, but somehow reward him, but i don’t see, here i don't see any sign of, uh, the president of the united states, his secretary of state, his national security adviser, but talking to zelensky. come on, attack the president of germany or whatever. here, make some absolutely fantastic statements about russian culture about the russian people. i think it's what his free initiative is called, but he gets away with it, and dmitry, i completely agree with you regarding that difficult domestic political situation, a very tough external domestic political situation in which biden finds himself, of course, a year

of pre-election. it's a midterm year, and biden's approval rating is a record a and inflation in the united states is high. the united states may misinterpret what is happening and misjudge. and from this it is wrong to formulate or erroneously formulate russian red lines, for example, you said that the duration, and the military operation in ukraine a led to zelensky being perceived as symbols of struggle, as symbols of singing and so on, but it seems to me that you, as a certainly very deep expert on russia, must understand, and i really hope that

many in the united states understand that the dynamics of the military operation, the duration of the military operation is not due to the fact that russia does not have the strength and means to defeat ukraine, but to the fact that russia does not consider ukraine and ukrainians as enemies, russia does not fight ukraine the way russia fought nazi germany in the forties , russia, as putin said, pities its own soldiers and seeks to minimize the damage. and russia takes pity on the civilian population of ukraine and that is why the dynamics are slow and if the united states perceives this slow dynamics as a manifestation of weakness, then this is a very serious mistake, which in turn can lead to. as i said to the misinterpretation of russian red lines and ultimately to an undesirable, and inadvertent military clash, which the biden administration actually wants to avoid, but i'm very glad dmitry that this

issue was raised this issue is very important, because you know, this is an american e, the term is narrative, and the idea of ​​\u200b\u200bwhat is happening and what both sides say about events and e is happening a radical spillover between the narratives in moscow and washington as far as the american view is concerned, yes, at the beginning of the operation, russia was expected to achieve military success very quickly. it was not based on any statements from the russian government. as you know, in russia there was nothing in the russian military doctrine that he said? what is it exactly? will fight, the russian army, but the expectation was looking at ukraine well, at this so well, practically jester gorokhov and zelensky as president, but something of an expectation was that there, everything will fall apart very quickly. well,

look at these debates in the ukrainian rada, which sometimes even turn into brawls, and at the level of corruption, which is off scale in ukraine. in general , in america, not in moscow, but in america, i arrived now. in general, who yes, you are in moscow and in america there was an expectation that ukraine would begin to fall apart like a house of cards. and it is a fact that biden, at the beginning of this military operation , suggested to zelensky that the united states would provide him with unobstructed security from kiev you know that most western ambassadors were taken out of kiev, this was the american position, and when they evaluate the successes of the russian military emirate, they compare them not with the intentions of the russian command, but with what washington expected, but also

more widely. do you know, uh? after all, zelensky does not succeed in a lot. most importantly, he failed to bring ukraine into nato with such, uh, dashing pressure. now, if he had taken a position then, which he seems to be voicing now, that ukraine could not be in nato necessarily, then, i think we would have a very different situation. he was not driven into nato. he wanted nato to refuse him. uh, they refused to say no , but they refused to tell him, honestly, that ukraine is not ready for nato and no one invites it to nato in order to maintain the appearance of this open-door policy in nato when any country that, as it were, satisfies the criterion with something can to step in, but zelenskiy had ample

opportunity to fulfill the commitment he made to his voters. that he will seek peace regulation with russia, he decided to take a completely different path, if he chose the path that he promised his people. i don't know what you think, i think that this military operation shouldn't have happened and you wouldn't have had any of those destructions that are taking place in ukraine. so in a strategic plan. it is very difficult for me to imagine zelensky as a successful president, but he is still a specialist in creating his own image. so far, he has managed to create a boa constrictor around him behind the collective west and the concrete washington the image of both a victim and some kind of almost biblical hero, as long as he succeeded. although many people who are closely following him are experts on the situation and even occupy high positions in

the administration. it starts to get more and more annoying. well, again, i don’t know how it has been in moscow over the past 3 months, but it seemed to me that in no great power, not in russia, there really are states. but it’s not crazy. uh, they complained about people who are beginning to teach great powers. but as to live, especially when they are objective beggars, demanding more and more from them, but not feeling any gratitude for what they get dmitry well, uh, what you said about american expectations of americans could be intelligence and assessments , and the speakers. uh, military operations before it began, but it makes me come to the conclusion that these experts may be military . intelligence officers absolutely did not take into account the russian mentality, they did not take into account the

civilizational cultural factor itself, that russia did not leads. well, ukraine wasn't going to wage war in ukraine because let's say the united states was at war, and there were bombings in syria and iraq. uh, raki bombing, uh, and so on, it's impossible to imagine even that. eh, the behavior on the part of russia was accordingly impossible to imagine bleek from russia, but i still want to ask about how the united states sees endgay. yes, look at some final picture, but in russia you have never heard, well, the official position of the biden administration is that the ukrainians must decide for themselves whether to fight with it with russia how long to fight with russia or negotiate with russia is the official position of the administration at the same time in russia they have never heard a single statement from the biden administration

about that the ukrainians should negotiate with russia and still end the conflict of politics through diplomacy at the same time. we are seeing more and more arms deliveries at the same time. we are seeing the united states provide to the ukrainian armed forces, intelligence, and moreover, in a very large one. in direct mode in direct mode. and today was very dangerous. in my opinion, the statement that the united states will transfer to the ukrainians, including such intelligence that will allow them to strike at the russian crimea, is another matter, that the united states, of course , does not recognize crimea as russian, but nonetheless. this is very dangerous. the situation is fraught with further escalation a and we are seeing that the biden administration is personally the president of the biden, and also other high-ranking officials of the administration, like victoria lunu, deputy secretary of state , are starting to use the word genocide and it is possible that congress will vote and recognize the russian special operation in ukraine as genocide. i

put the issue of double standards out of the question, but in moscow that's all, when it comes together , the picture emerges that the united states does not want to negotiate, that the united states really wants to fight russia to the last ukrainian. dmitry, the difficulty of my conversation with you is that most of things i can say, you already know, and you know that in america it is not considered a double standard, uh, to have the same expectations about american behavior as the main defender of democracy in the world and what other states are allowed to u. it's just not considered a double standard . what about genocide? here is a very interesting question. well, when biden says this, it causes internal

resistance in me, because i don’t agree with it, but it doesn’t really bother me, because right away i hear the voice of a member of congress, where the hyperbole. it 's a normal way to communicate, even between republicans and democrats. that is, it is not burning bridges. this is from the president's point of view from my point of view. it's not burning bridges. and uh, the administration emphasizes that they are ready to negotiate with russia that they are not seeking regime change in russia and if you ask representatives of the administration, and they are in fairly significant positions, but this is how you will negotiate with putin. i know such a question the day before from clear and there was such a pause and i, as it were decided to help the conversation and said, you know, i didn’t actually ask if they were ready to meet the top with putin at this stage of the

relationship, because there is no need for this, and putin himself emphasizes that he is not interested in such a meeting . but are you ready for the process that will involve. uh, that he will end the summit meeting if there is an agreement on all other issues, the answer was immediate and direct, right? well, this, on the one hand , testifies to american pragmatism. e, with the other side remains unclear. how many more lives, both on the part of the ukrainian population and on the part of the russian military personnel, will need to be sacrificed, and sacrificed, in order to get to that point by supporting what you say, but i think. that we are in the herd, when a lot will depend on the departure of the special operation , it is very difficult to get at the negotiating table

what you cannot get, but on the battlefield. and here is what will happen now in the donbass, what was going to happen now with mariupol. i think it will inevitably, uh, affect the american position in the administration as well. this is well understood, but you see, dmitry, we have found another point at which russian assessments and american assessments coincide, because the special operation will certainly continue, and yesterday president putin unequivocally stated that all the goals set, and dmitry will achieve great things for you. thanks, and the big game will be back in this studio in a few moments. what is this report on the movement of german troops near our border, if this is not a preparation

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united states national security adviser jake sullivan, president of the united states, made a statement that now, in the near future, the main priority of american sanctions policy will not even be to increase direct sanctions against russia, but to tighten secondary sanctions, that is, against third countries , yes cooperation, with which , in the opinion, with which, in the opinion of the united states, allows russia to circumvent or reduce damage from those sanctions that were directly introduced, and the united states against russia, well, and the same thing. today, the secretary of the treasury in the united states, janet, said barely in this regard. ask vladimir alekseevich vatkov, uh, the united states, in fact, they say that now they will impose secondary sanctions of punishment against india against china against turkey against south africa yes against all other countries that do not want to bend under the

united states yes, and which keep e cooperation with russia first. do you think the united states will dare to go? and? secondly, what will be the sudden reaction of these very countries? well, firstly, we should probably start here with the words of sergey viktorovich lavrov, who said that the united states for some reason decided that they were holy democracy and for some reason decided. e that they can implement such a totalitarian intolerant policy towards the whole world, and it can be unequivocally argued that pressure from the united states will continue against the key players of the sanctions. uh, we must remind our residents, of course, are introduced security council, there’s no other way, everything else is illegal restrictive measures that our western partners use to form artificial barriers, i can’t, uh, not mention in this regard that turkey just wanted her to apply

sanctions only by decision of the security council, and this just answers your question, uh, regarding how other states will react to secondary sanctions and pressure from the united states of america itself most of the sovereign countries of the east that do not have such significant restrictions, for example, which are imposed on japan yes, but they will continue their independent foreign policy, which will correspond to their national interests, their national values, and their picture of the world. this does not mean that this picture will be friendly to russia, but it definitely means that they will continue their a. here is a sovereign foreign policy based on those very national interests, in particular, we are talking about about turkey, which clearly stated that it will act on the basis of the decisions of the un security council, and there will be sanctions against russia, turkey will follow them, and will continue to

be, if you like, on these two chairs, because the americans will show them, how they undermine the post-soviet space, turkish foreign minister cavusoglu has already said that he is ready to meet with the american secretary of state and it will be very interesting what kind of meeting it will be. she will be in may, apparently and uh, at the same time they will show russia that they are more and more independent course. uh spend implement. e in the international arena us e, with this world. e bihistory, if you like, you have to work , and in this connection it is necessary, of course, to work first of all with those powers to build ligaments uneasy ligaments that are not subordinate to e. tattoos of this most senile hegemon, and it is with them that we have to build a new polycentric world order, which is undeniably marching around the planet. here, uh, the experience of the same turkey suggests that that the united states can impose sanctions on countries that do not obey them, because the united states has experience in

imposing sanctions on turkey for daring to acquire russian s-400 systems and possibly and probably the united states will also impose secondary sanctions or in some other way to punish other countries, the question is in proportion. a and. i'm afraid that, uh, the united states has gone too far here . because if they push too hard, they will undermine their strategic interests in relation to these countries, most likely, everything is moving towards this, but nevertheless, today , very contradictory signals were heard from the white house, but regarding the american sanctions policy. on the one hand, the white house stated that they exclude the partial lifting of anti-russian sanctions in the event of the completion of the political and diplomatic way, and the russian-ukrainian conflict, on the other hand. the same jake sullivan national security adviser said that even after the end of the ukrainian conflict, the united states does not

are going to return to russian businessmen the property and assets that are now frozen, uh, in american jurisdiction. and alexander vyacheslavovich, in general, how to understand this, how it fits together and whether you allow the very possibility of partial or complete or any lifting of american sanctions. look now we are participating not only in a total economic war with the west and in a special operation in ukraine. we are now participating in a civilizational war. we are now participating in a war of activation, who will remain as a subject, who will not will remain. we are now participating in the war for resources, because resources. limited by the digital economy and the service economy, you can’t help but put on shoes and clothes. there is no way to feed, yes, 80% of us gdp is services. yes, they need resources and china needs resources and the whole world needs resources, and we are in a war for time. and the fact is that time is the most limited resource for the

united states, we understand that a little more and a financial bubble in the american market. this is the basis of power. that's the financial world. uh, because the main uh, the production of america is the dollar, of course, it will start to collapse, and they don't have much time for that if they now realize that a global economic crisis is starting. that's from breaking the chains from the fact that world trade is in a situation worse than during the coronavirus. if defaults begin, here is sri lanka - this is the first such bell, this is a canary in a mine. yes, because if the whole peripheral world pops up, all this will have to be the united states. and what did the world bank warn about shortly before the pandemic? that the waves are long that have piled up over the past 50 years, they have always turned to crises. uh, the first three waves. uh, ended in crises. now the fourth biggest wave of debt is 300 trillion dollars of world debt, and if there is already a rate increase, if it is no

longer possible to pay it. this means that a little more and we will see something similar to the crisis of the ninety-eighth year with us and when it has passed around the world and we want to in the states, yes. e crisis collapse autism and e, crisis of the seventh year. and it will all be together, these powers will be like two crisis. and if they understand it, then they need it. eh, here's something to finish. yes, somewhere e in the window, because then you can’t save it. that is, if the american economy falls into a crisis, then everything is already at peace. on its own, america is on its own and the world is already. look at the dollar and the american system and american hegemony. uh, like something left in the past, but really and a and and really. uh, and we've talked about this more than once in our studio, that the world is already starting to look at the us dollar as a toxic

currency and even er, the international monetary fund. uh, deputy managing director, if i don't get it, yes, the imf has said that confidence in the dollar is declining and many countries will be getting rid of dollar reserves. the process has already begun. uh, brazil has increased. uh, foreign exchange reserves in yuan four times. uh, china is the main holder. uh, the dollar mass is more than a trillion, but it will certainly be. uh, trying to reduce u dollar investment, but still a very important instrument of american pressure against russia is expanding. nato and in the near future, apparently, another round of nato expansion into the two scandinavian countries, which maintained a neutral status e during the entire period after the second world war, and in the case