let's give you a diagram. uh, how much everything is fortified there will immediately become clear, yes, this is a building. uh, it means that the nationalists built seven floors underground there, a whole fortress area, otherwise a room called a system of multi-tiered beds is a living room, even cafe bars, there is a repair compartment according to this scheme, monitoring there, and specially some kind of computer installations for researching an infirmary and even gardening some kind of underground there, i don’t know, gardeners most of all arouse interest. here is this bar cafe gardening and so on. in any case, now to laugh. it is clear that this multi-level complex is such a well-fortified e. i don’t even know what to call this underground structure , it’s interesting, it’s clear that in soviet times. yes, well, the city of gorodok yes, in soviet times they set up well, so to speak, e for centuries with a margin of safety on our heads now, yes, a is understandable. this is interesting here. why is there a heather, that is, we are talking, and we are talking thunder. clearly through the mouths of representatives

of the ministry of defense of the russian federation on the federal channel at least on one i think that we all pronounce all this about the humanitarian corridors. every day we extend this mode of termination. we give fire the opportunity to come out , we declare it to hear everything. here comes the heather. yes, uh, and he says, vasily yuryevich what they say, uh, listen, we demand that the russians provide a humanitarian corridor. that's how that's how to talk to a blind deaf mute. a or it's not on us calculated requirement. actually. nothing unusual or incomprehensible here. no, this is the logic of such an informational war of struggle, because that the war is now going on hybrid in all, so to speak, areas, and in the economic information they hear only what they want to hear, and they give out on the air in general from themselves, so to speak, set out. excuse only what they want out. because they do not care about the lives of those, as

they say, the defenders of mariupol who are there, they absolutely do not care about life. if there are, i doubt it, but if there are still civilians there, then they don’t give a damn about their lives either. they buried them long ago and now they want one of them do. it's just that the banner doesn't give a damn. sorry wait sorry as long as they are alive or as long as you can pretend that they are, that they are alive. listen. it is clear that they have a trump card which they can speculate, which they can present, thus there are third countries from some kind of devil, if they die, then they don’t give a damn. and now they use now they use them. here are the statements of this fighter. you know, i was now reminded of the old joke about the commander of the tank corps, lieutenant, says lieutenant. and how do you command the corps, in my opinion? yes, the ax remained from the tank. and it’s understandable, therefore, this fighter they didn’t even have sergeants left. he's probably his own boss. this is how i imagine, that is, the pike is, of course, not addressing us. although it's nearby. russia says, we demand to provide the screech, of

course, appeals, so to speak, to western countries well, that is, even to be heard, given that the foreign that, that the western information space has been completely cleared in response to silence, as it were, that is, we say yes yes please we opened. they don't hear it. they hear only the appeal of the ages. open has no documentaries, corridors. silence, russian, like, they don’t say anything. we demand the opening of humanitarian corridors russians again do not say anything, but for the western audience and of course it is again the very one we almost talk about every day, actually constructive russian, so to speak, monsters that do not open. i have. there is a feeling that the state of ukraine itself means that it put up such a multi-stage system of e-terrorism, because look, it means that the national battalions are holding local residents hostage, but at the same time, these national battalions themselves were held hostage by the kiev authorities. well, that is, this, of course, is incomprehensible to the mind, because the kiev authorities are holding them back and not giving them the opportunity to leave, so they probably turn to a third party. free us, but we are free. you get out here

in general such a confusion, look at what kind of porridge it is to say logical porridge. we are in now. yes, it means u brave defenders it's all like in quotes brave defenders of azovstan. there is no reason why , even without quotes, they can be quite brave, so to speak, defenders. well, fight no, they say, we are brave defenders. but please, be, or we will stand to the last. perhaps this is our last appeal to the world to give us, please, a corridor, so to speak, i don't know, there's a million dollars in unaccounted for bills and a helicopter. well, it sounds like this, well, guys, well, you are either defenders, so, uh, or not, if you have a civilian, then you take them out, because that you are brave defenders. and you have to say so, you have already forgiven from life, because you decided to stand to the end. this causes respect or would cause respect under the conditions i have listed, i repeat. carried out. you do not handle these countries. you just take the civilians out and fight. well, yes, he says that, here is the appeal. this pseudo-commanders says that he turns out not to his own power, but to others, and

therefore he understands that his power has already surrendered to this ukrainian. he understands that this power is no longer power, so he turns to already to some third countries, you understand, to great britain there turkey to anyone, of course, you understand. this is not for his president, but for some president whom he elected, and for the sake of whom he was there, for the sake of this people, he fought there, yes, but to some third countries therefore, the nationalists themselves admit that they in fact, they are fighting for the sake of some other interesting others, you seriously understand, if you are serious about his appeal, in fact, this indirectly shows us that ukraine is ukraine as a state, as an integrity of the structure? well, simply not, otherwise these guys would have turned to their president. is not it so. the nazis themselves understood this. they have already understood that there is no state. that is where they need it only as

terrorists. give us some other territory. as you say, a million dollars and we left here, of course, the degree of support for these third countries, that is, his words show that they are still in a very dangerous illusion both for themselves and for others. that is, they always thought that these third countries were theirs at the very last moment they will help you from the very beginning. during this operation, both the nationalists and the ukrainian authorities counted on this support from the nato organization, and this is how they assumed that, what they say. how- how could they push through russia so that they get out of their age , they assumed that there would be a breakthrough. it was they who assumed that there would be arms deliveries. this is understandable. they still can't understand. then the nato countries do not need them to get out of there,

they need this conflict to continue for a very long time. a very long time. that's what they themselves have become hostages of other people's games. they do not understand this, they are counting on some kind of support support. here i am, i'm the truth here, by god, here's the truth plunged into some kind of logical. well, porridge is a delicate word again, and the defenders of azov stood up to the end, so to speak. we will say so, we are for the idea and so on causes only respect, stand to the end. why when you stand to the end and have already declared it with your willingness to lay down your e, put yourself, so to speak, but on the altar, so say motherland of freedom and so on. there are protections. why then do you turn to some other countries. give us a corridor and so on. i do not understand anything, look deceived. yes, if they apply, it means with a request to bring them to the states. and there england is there, turkey yes, it is not clear why those

national nationalists who want to go out they get a bullet in the forehead. they are their back of the head and in the back of the head and in the back of the head and on the forehead. look, yes, uh, proof of what's going on. in the mariupol seaport, the ukrainian marine e krapovoy ivan anatolyevich, the senior sailor, is killed by a shot in the back of the head, with him leafovka, which, with the help of some shells, and the army of the donetsk people's republic sent to the encircled ukrainian troops, this is a pass for captivity and instructions. how to give up? and he obviously wanted to do it and was killed already, trying to get out of captivity. exactly what exactly, that a bullet in the back of the head. this is fundamental. that is, he went to and him. well, that is, it turns out yuri, i'm wrong, if you still try to remain true, well, some kind of logic, then you get what's there

there are, in fact, two groups, so to speak, three three groups. three, come on, tell me, when you and i are trying to build logic and understand how why they act this way, we, in my opinion, release one very important factor, that there are not only vsu, not only nazis for the grad detachments. there is also a foreign mercenary. this is the third group and actually. i would associate with this group obra. this commander, because when you say that they are holding civilians hostage, if they are there , so not at least about it constantly they say it’s impossible that they are actually being held hostage, including foreign mercenaries among the nazis with vushniks, they also hide behind them in this sense, when he turns to england, most likely, there are english mercenaries when he talks about america there, most likely, american mercenaries, maybe even if turkish, when we kind of open this connection, yes, that is, he addresses the leaders of non-random countries, and they understand that he has. of course, because they know what is there. yeah, most likely it is there you have to look there, as they say, a dog

rummaged, and so look here lined up each other all hostages it is possible that the vushniks with the nazis think that they are holding hostages, because in this way, turning to foreigners. they say, guys, we have your cars here, others are hinting. yes, but in fact, foreigners can hide behind these, you understand, because when do they hope for what? but the fact that there will still be some kind of agreement. and that they are still able to save them alive from there. how can they be silent. god forbid we do nothing told, that is, therefore, they are talking about a humanitarian corridor, which is why they don’t hand it over, because in the case of a dacha, they naturally raised their hands, sat down, then at the table a lamp in the face and tell in any language you speak somehow . no, in no case should they speak, they will either iron them and definitely do everything to kill them. or they should go out so they don't say anything. and how is it like a different corridor, so the cases of the rest of ours, the prisoners there and everything else do not suit them in our

humanitarian corridors, although it seemed. i thought in why what, what exactly, therefore, of course, yura is absolutely right. look, they are not satisfied with our humanitarian moron. why because in our humanitarian corridor? where are they right? with us, of course, well, yes, alive, so this is a problem for many, you understand, that they will get out there alive and testify from here, therefore. therefore, the heather is not at all deaf in his logic and to understand what she wants and understand what she means, we need a humanitarian corridor, but another one, so that it does not lead to russia and somewhere to us, so that these people come out and god bless him without weapons. it doesn't even matter. the main thing is that they come to us and that no evidence no changes. that's what they need, so the humanitarian corridor of the humanitarian corridor of strife, understandable in mind. and we offered it from the very beginning. remember when they were told, yes, we will let you out. go wherever you want, we had it literally. there 2 weeks ago. yes, 2 weeks ago. you did n't hear us either, but they had some kind of

illusion, i think. they are there word breakthrough. i remember that we they said we guarantee your life. here we guarantee life and it was the defense that said that you would enter your territory, and we then assumed that they would leave. well, yes, they will scatter in syria and will no longer go to war. you see, this proposal was made to them. well, yes , please don't hear, vladimir vasilyevich how do you understand this complex intrigue? i want to add to you. uh, this is information from the officers. uh, several parts of the national guard in the south of ukraine, uh, because the percentage of those who surrender is too high . so, uh, the special services of ukraine did this called firing squads. this was done a week and a half ago, that is, in every part of the ukrainian, in addition to military personnel, in addition to foreign mercenaries, like yuri gavrilov. yes there and so on. there are four or five people of such frostbitten nazis who obey exclusively the hut, for which they are just

inside in the unit in the barracks, who listen to everything and the president, as if attempts are instantly hooked. they are well aware that for communication this is information from the southern cities. nicholas in odessa, that is, for example, even if there is a certain team headed by the commander, or with someone. to guide this part that would like to give up, but not primarily afraid and i communicated through closed channels of communication with these people. they say, yes, of course, we - says, we would still say, we went out on the first day, but here we have a retro-shooting team here. wow. i'm the only thing they said guys. well, i think it's the only option. if you want to save your life, you need to somehow get rid of these four five people, and then calmly get in touch with our military personnel to remain captured. and by the way, in continuation of the theme of this azov man who spoke. yes, here is the latest news. pay attention, as their fuhrer said, ticket. yes, he spoke now to those

who are blocked for everything. he said guys a. we will definitely release you, but after the end of the battle for donbass, in other words, the guys will stay in this forever. i mean, he just dumped them. this is him just now showed up. he himself is only two leletsky, gretsky is probably sitting in kiev or in warsaw, yes, that is, i thought, i thought at the forefront. okay, that's really funny. well, thank you, vladimir vasilyevich. by the way, this picture that we showed us, alice, is terrible, in fact , monstrous, this one with a guy. uh, turns out to be with a bullet in the back of his head, trying to get out. you imagine it is he to carry. he still slipped away. it was at the last moment of him, so to speak, he was killed. and look. how many those who tried to give up and wanted and expressed. god forbid here it is out loud. how many of them are down there. there are families on these floors, and i think that there are a lot, or rather a lot, so we have a direct connection. philip prokudin comes with us in direct contact with the donetsk correspondent of the ukrainian edition of ruf philip

hello, yes philip tell me what you know, yes, what do you you know, abazov got up. i know you've talked to many, tell me. what do you know, how do you understand all this, well, i don’t know this whole story around azov steel. well, as i understood the word of the military, and from the words of, uh, local residents, many of whom worked in azov , it actually became an ideal fortress, there are several floors of reinforced concrete, and, frankly, i’m not very good either. well, it's hard for me to imagine how they will take it? uh, let's put it this way, the military is more optimistic in this regard, they have an order, they will carry it out. well, in more detail about this about this very fortress. i know that you talked a lot and at some length. about her. tell us it's not just interesting for us. all this is very important. ah, well let's just say it's not very clear. who is there ? yes, i heard that they were discussing if there is civilians there, uh, there is the fantasy of our respected

partners, it is limitless, but it can turn out there, who can turn out, anyone? but because, at least, here i heard the version on the drama theater. yes, you remember the tragic events that people were deliberately gathered there under the pretext that it was safer there? uh -huh, maybe it is. yes, and then there are, uh, there are civilians, for example. uh, the so-called therodefense is formal. these are civilians, but structures, or maybe for example, members of their families, someone else so that there can be a range of options for someone, it is very wide. well, in my opinion. now, what about the engineering state there? well, as a military, as i understand it, represents what lies ahead for them? but in recent days, they tried to make sorties from there. uh, ukrainian forces. they made their way through the sewers. uh, they were trying to get out of the

hatches, so there were inverted hatches everywhere around it. uh, the marine corps is basically hunting down ukrainian military who are trying to get out of there. got it i know you've talked to one of the former employees. call of steel ah. and we can. yes, we can now see your i don't know your material, so let's see a simple working guy. there he said that everything is looking great. i myself have worked for 19 years as a blast psycho . especially under the bunker to us. i know how deep it is, how deep it is. well, really, they either need to be equalized there, or smoked out, or something, i'm not an adviser. well, excuse me, but this is because there is 17 m, you can imagine the depth under the bottom where. where do the skips go where the downloads go

blast shop? this concrete is reinforced concrete, reinforced concrete, there, yes, everything in the world is a fortress. and in general, this is not just a fortress, of course, because if, as i imagined a fortress, this is an ideal fortress. or absolutely right here. imagine 17 m underground with reinforced concrete. this is what i mean by fortress. thank you very much philip or we pass, then we are in direct contact and finally ukraine hands. can you imagine how many interesting things there are. and what are they trying to hide is in the dungeon? yes? who and whom, of course, a lot material. in general, now, uh, we are still raking up what was left by the nationalists at the ilyich plant in mariupol and in particular. quite recently, manuals of the ukrainian information troops were discovered there. you know that there are special centers for information and psychological operations, and so in

this training manual in detail, but it was described and recommendations were given. how to work with those people who sympathize with russia first weakness, it is necessary to launch mass rumors among the russian audience that the russian army is suffering huge losses, retreated to the territory of russia, cannot continue to fight, and the battles themselves are going on in the border lands of russia ; it is very important to create the necessary emotional backgrounds. the virus on it spread the main accents of the russians. rapists mass murderers treat the inhabitants of ukraine as meat, it is fundamentally important to show mass character and rape of ukrainian women, the third primitiveness and looting russian soldiers are primitive creatures who do not follow the rules of hygiene, alcoholics, drug addicts, prone to deviant behavior. it is important to show crises.

the ideology of the russians, looting is important to work out with the ukrainian audience. well, of course, discuss it in detail, because, well, it's funny, here on his own yura has a completely understandable smile on the officer, uh, russian officer vasilievich fatigarov, too, so to speak, how his hands are, although according to their ideas, it should be a primitive creature with a washing machine under its arm, a stranger. naturally. vasilyevich i repeat. it's horrible. it 's kind of funny. it's monsters it works. it works for really works for the ukrainian audience. i have already said here and i will repeat that , unfortunately, i have no connection there in apparently terrible conditions sister in kharkov but what she said in the early days was like a brainwashed. you know it 's terrible. and i imagine how these brainwashed now in the background. and before that, before her. here you know here, just here on february 23, everyone congratulated everything perfectly. everything is fine on the twenty-fourth of february, everyone is rash, because, yeah, because the

subconscious was driven into the brain. 8 years there, even more, we say it correctly more than 8 years, but specifically for 8 years it was driven into the brains that russia is an enemy and this is what was subconsciously driven in and it seems like it didn’t get out, especially those with relatives in russia and so on, all this came out with the first strikes on military targets, because they were immediately told that this was not against military objects. this is home and ukrainian television. showed right away. uh-huh, ukrainian television showed that they were hitting schools in kindergartens and propaganda the most aggressive went. here's what we've seen now, they've been doing it since day one. this is true. listen to that then to all of us uh, tough question nasty nasty question. they had everything ready. the same documentary is confirmed, if we hadn’t stopped all these things, the genocide of our own people, they would have gone on their own and started an armed confrontation in donetsk lugansk and the crimea went already known date. there are

documents, they were voiced on the air, yes, i will ask an unpleasant question to all of us. we were just ready for it. do you think we were ready for this, well, on the one hand, uh, you know, yes and no. and because, of course, we hoped that the forces that are there inside ukraine itself they are viable. we did not hope, but we could not imagine that such a total machine has been built over the years, a punitive machine that just really really decapitates destroys any sprouts of sanity, and of course, we faced a very difficult situation with you, because for us they still remain family. even if, uh, well, of course, the nazis, i don't take it. yes, but those people who live there, who are my sister there, i also know a lot there. i have too. an example, then very similar there is my friend there comrade. we have been with him for 8 years. he was absolutely against this nazism against all this bacchanalia, but at the click of a button, he just sat for just a few hours, and a few days in the basement, watched ukrainian television, they showed him there,

and what they showed. they themselves fired at peaceful houses later. what is the russian doing? they hid in schools, kindergartens, hospitals and hid. in the sense of their headquarters, there are militants. and accordingly, today we will show you to look for what supposedly terrible russians are purposefully hitting kindergartens, what to think about and that's it. he is already running with a gun, you understand the second defense, he is already praising. bandera is not praised there yet, but he is already fighting for ukraine which and here it is perfectly worth hanging. it's just that you're saying that just like that at the click of a button. it seems to me, of course, not on click, because i have the opposite, i have another example of the fourteenth year, so when u, when all this happened, u we will call our e with my colleague. he lives in kiev, and we always communicated normally, absolutely perfectly, and he drank the truth to them, so i say in tears. listen, but these brutes, so to speak about the nazis, will never be able to us with you. we are with you for 3 years and so on, but everything is everything

correctly he spoke, and i also almost attended, because very good right words. so a couple of years go by. well we are. let's call the crisis. i look. he has a completely different tone. he already is. yes, we will soon see you, so, and so on, while laughing with a grin, but already so. well, the motive is different. yes , we'll get you there soon after. well, i don’t know, we still had the name there already quite to talk somehow already. well, everything, the conversation was no longer glued, and we didn’t convene the last password from now, so moreover, i think that he, too, as i express myself there somewhere in those defenses. well, what is important i say in front of my eyes. this is this, this is the metamorphosis of a person. first, with tears, these cattle are literally about the nazis, i quote. maybe he's looking at me. vlad, uh, at first, so then it all changed. and now here, well, you see what's the matter, it works. look, it's still working. are you saying we were ready for this? yes, i think that it is, of course, difficult to be prepared for such cynicism, but here is what the ukrainian and the authorities prepared for this for a very long time, it became clear even from the

words of the arrest. he did not hesitate, he told everything his formula, listen. ukraine is one central national people ukraine - it is as much as possible to lie to yourself and others. because if you tell the truth, everything will collapse and you have to come up with something else. here we have a basic unbalanced contradiction. why did he say? no, no, no. and a few years ago, zelensky, they forbade arrest officers to speak on behalf of the ukrainian authorities. and accordingly, now he returned it back such things are basic values, because if you tell the truth, then everything will collapse that's right, if we tell the truth. everything will collapse, the whole screen. everything is the answer to our question. yes, we can’t lie , we are russia, we are russian people, and for them this is the key

, so he just said it’s necessary to lie, therefore, as if the answer to the question here, the question is not even ready, not ready, we are not ready to lie, but they are ready. that's why it works, even here is a simple example. yes, i also have a friend who helps us a lot. he is in the area. here he said this to me. you know i looked. i read, says the portal ukr.net, says about 10-15 minutes, and i was afraid that i feel like i'm starting to get addicted. clear. yes, yes, that is, and he says so you understand, i am a healthy person. and what can we say about those who have been listening to this for eight years, they are all depending on another friend of mine from lviv. he says, you know why? i say normal, because i watch channel one through vpn. i say, i watch your performances there, i read russian telegrams channels, so he says, i say normal. watching what they show me, i would be the same, yes it is, well, uh, it turns out that a person is a being, so to speak, dependent and manipulated

and so to speak, and ours is our strength in truth and the truth is our vpn is not on the territory of ukraine, so our strength is in pravda, of course, and russian professionals were ready for this, because, well, there are many developments. uh, studies like uh in times of conflict. uh, especially terrorists work terrorist extremists work with the population, who become hostages. interrupted you. it seems to me a completely unprecedented unprecedented scale. here are the works with the hostages, which he acts as. excuse the whole whole country. look, it's completely unprecedented the scale of this ad hoc, rather informational operation. i can't imagine such a thing, but in fact, here are the techniques. they are very old. yes, until the thirties, you know what other century, because many of our modern developments and western ones

of how this kind of enemy work is carried out with population. they are also based on the conclusions made by the british colonizers of the 19th century. in the thirties of the xx century, we had a very interesting little book by such an author mikhail drobov. uh, the small war of diversion and many soviet-era special forces studied this literature, because he just described how, uh , civilians are taken hostage. here such conflicts and crises, and most often, uh, are made hostages by those who are significantly less hmm in terms of strength in terms of technology and numbers. they just uh can justify in no way, but they are forced to resort to these terrorist frank methods. since they are significantly

losing their training and military-technical professionals, it is clear that this works effectively. unfortunately. yes, you see that the person who climbed onto the portal says, no, you don’t have to go out, because otherwise i’ll go crazy and become as good as you need to know and become a zombie well, then they remembered the thirtieth, remember how suddenly in the forty-fifth year . suddenly all of germany said, lord, how terribly they deceived everything germany all germany all these millions of people that you know before, i will not show. well , they did what they threw off their right hand in this. hello everyone, well, almost everything except for this little stupid resistance and so on. and as soon as they said, lord like this, what did they do there. that is, it is from this that people recover from mass insanity. i dont know. call it whatever you like about what is now being practiced and being implemented in ukraine, then they recover from this, unfortunately, medicines are needed here, as we call medicines. well shock therapy. uh, in general, that's what is happening now, those who are these

frank nationalists. well, they can't be cured. in my opinion. yes, i understood to isolate, but we are talking about the civilian population, we examined what you see, it is necessary to work. and, of course, use completely different methods. there are hunchbacks. everything, of course, about which the magila is being corrected, but there is really a huge number of peoples who believe. these very portals are zombified and so to speak, lord, what are they doing there, tears are all and it is they, probably, the base inside yurievich yes, normal people. and how they are actually here is very simple now, as they say, for the time being, we don’t say everything about nationalists, but terrorists , why people destroy terrorists with them here . true, she is basic, she is sometimes difficult to reach people, but she