and all the rest, that is, all at once, of course, the question arose of how much they coordinate with each other. i think that there is still no coordination in this, and yet the society is unconditional. it is necessary to explain what is happening, what it means, because, unfortunately, we are all traumatized. e the ghost of budyonnovsk are we too good? that's all, we remember this, especially those who are a little older, and there, too, they, in principle, stopped the assault, then, for humane reasons, they let them go out, and then fought for another 5 years with the same scoundrels, but already on completely different conditions, until we remind them they were not destroyed, in the toilet even then the decision was made to destroy and destroyed, therefore in my opinion. ah, military logic. under the decision there is undoubtedly, but this logic still needs to be clarified to society. and what does it mean? here in practice, but look, after all, there are also words that block this industrial zone so that the fly does not fly by. as i understand it, block it so that the fly does not fly by. so that she does not go there

flew by, and so that she would not fly from there either. i agree with you. i also didn’t quite understand from what was said, does this suggest that they are just there, well, roughly speaking, uh, like rats are locked in a dungeon, and they get there on their own. well, as someone wrote here , they start there without water, without. well, there, so that they sit until they reach it, or just, as it’s said again, they don’t go there, but here it’s to hammer it all slowly, uh, continues, but i really didn’t fully understand this either, this question really remains, but the question of whether to the question about what no one is going to let anyone go anywhere. in general, we will definitely get an answer, but here we also need to understand that this is still a very serious military operation. even here, uh, i’ll explain the organization of the blockade, one and a half thousand are sitting inside. it’s so according to the estimates on which all these one and a half thousand people agree. desperate, of course. and if these one and a half thousand decide to break through from there, and there are, as i understand it, there are many places to break through from. if

they decide to break out from there, then, of course, this requires maintaining very serious forces in the city . in order to block these breakthroughs, if they happen and unconditionally, of course, in this case we need to understand very clearly that this is a military operation. she, of course, has no analogues, but she cannot be considered. in my opinion , until the end, there will be no resistance. look again, and since we and i think it's absolutely not. yes, i want to say that we will get the answer to our main question tomorrow morning, namely, namely, if in the morning information comes from our correspondents that the strikes continue, but the assault does not go. this means that everything is going well. that is, we do not waste people. we just trample them, what is called quietly, and give them the opportunity to think about their future life, perhaps a short one, if we do not trample them, as you say, uh, we fire at them with something in a sense while blocking, nevertheless, everything anyway you are there, it will just be longer and then the question arises about the coro about which you said that, firstly, if they are there. 1.500 and they and there i am so much

then you need to keep a large enough grouping there to block all this history, but on the other hand. if it is manually cleaned by personnel, then it is necessary to keep an even larger grouping there, that is, roughly speaking, this diverts forces in this and that way. i think that if you clean it up, then more here i have another question. e, which is not very clear to me. we discussed with you, among other things, what is there on the territory of this huge industrial complex, which will, of course, be blocked from flies and all other insects. and they have those there, nevertheless, there are positions from which you can fire at other parts of the city, for example, from mortars. and in this sense, i kind of like this question, i don’t quite understand, oleg, yes, well, really, because, well , a house, they are like skyscrapers. yes, they live above the five-story buildings very strongly, which surround them above those working quarters, ah and er, here , on the one hand, the situation is indeed the right decision. yes, we

protect our lives, but on the other hand. well, let's remember because they talked about it, we have, probably, from the very beginning there was a fairly large number of patriots yes, supporters of the operation, who say you are not storming. mariupol, you get bogged down, and block the city entirely at once and perform broader tasks. that's why, along the outer ring of the encirclement, there is suppression of pressure on kiev, suppression on kharkov and amounts. yes, indeed. we see, well , a month, or even more than a month. we are in mariupol, can we say that we are stuck or not? uh, teach. that there was only one area left, where is the blocked 1.500 of these natsiks that we stuck to say, probably impossible. but the fact that this abscess is called questions, to say, of course, the second thing is possible. yes? i can already see o uh, well, first of all, uh, what the opponent is talking about.

yes, and what they are talking about in europe is yes, because vereshchak is the deputy prime minister of ukraine. she, after all, has already begun to squeal, and inflate the topic of bla-blakad, but they caught yes, yes, that is, it’s already going on here. uh, the blasphemous overlap of the blockade of leningrad and the blockade stood up tripod makes every day must be done every day today, especially strongly after when they heard that we were stopping the assault, and even the bidens of inuland. and i completely agree here, is there a coincidence here with the convoy of minutes, it requires a humanitarian exit from everyone. e from mariupol and look here, in fact, when, if there is a way out , this will be served to the whole world, like our defeat. and now, just when you have moved into this, vlad has already mentioned an amazing, uh, interest. uh, nuland, it was the goats that became, and precisely so that i can still remind you of the macron, who was still there a couple of weeks ago, for some reason, it was mariupol that macron was madly

interested in, and it was macron from mariupol. all the time i tried to organize something like that with my calls. it was there that for some reason he wanted to carry out a humanitarian operation. yes indeed. yes, end of march. let's go nulan, shall we? let's listen, let's remind e. let's. okay, please. there was some hope that the russians could allow safe passage for civilians and wounded soldiers from mariupol, but such arrangements fell through several times, i believe that if the work of the corridor is nevertheless implemented, then representatives of the member countries can take part in this. nato here begins the most interesting question, because you started it, as it were, from the end, because at first there was a macron with an incomprehensible interest in mariupol, now nuland, which for some reason necessarily needs humanitarian corridors here. and it’s like the fact that more and more the heather is squealing specifically about mariupol, which suggests that around not mariupol, but around azov, the remaining ones have become

it is quite obvious that this combination is very important for them, for some reason it is very important for them . this one, how not to leave the topic. and i'm just in this context, to be honest and regard it. uh, the statement that vladimir putin made under the camera in a conversation with shoigu well, let me analyze it a little from the point of view of not my profession. during the 7 1/2 weeks of the operation, you saw many such situations when the minister of defense and the commander-in-chief discussed a plan of action in a particular military situation, there was no spoiler this never, and about the abolition of the assault on azov steel. the commander-in-chief to the minister of defense, under the camera, says all this, my ve- yes, he gives the order, or rather, cancels the order, it has not only local significance, but also international, my version and you just started talking about it now, my version, why did i remember both macrons and pronuland and he squealed about

the squealing that it was, but the conversation is not about azov steel and not about the military component, but about some much broader history within which putin says that a fly will not fly by the fighters can't spend on it. let it stand, as it comes. now you just need to understand what versions there are. and this is with whom and what can the conversation be about. if you are talking about the international component, which is parallel to the statements of the macron, in france he was fired, by the same macron, the head of french military intelligence and it is considered that for miscalculations regarding ukraine and possibly for the situation with mariupol rumors. what, well, the fact that there are foreign mercenaries there is a fact that there may even be officers there. strange nato they appeared and this may perhaps explain. uh, the interest of a number of countries. e, k. e, mariupol, the goat got up and such a stormy behind-the

-scenes second. yes, for a second i won’t even interrupt you, but i’ll add, and not just a stormy one, but the exceptional attention to mariupol has become a priority, because today. yesterday, somewhere i saw the statistics. today, something like 6,500 foreign citizens are being held hostage on the territory of ukraine. and i have never heard anyone about these foreign nationals. so he beat the alarm. how exactly about the mariupol azov steel? that is, this is some kind of perverse case , uh, an example in recent history. uh, this is the situation in aleppo five years ago, but there were no foreign citizens. uh, in such numbers and at least, and even more so, there were no representatives, most likely, strange nato, but there were militants, and as we remember, uh, corridors were organized for the withdrawal of several thousand. uh militants from aleppo a. russia then decided that

it was better for the syrian government army to enter the city. take it under control and the explanation was the same need to save lives and enter the city. and in return , the militants lay down their arms and leave aleppo , and there were very long disputes. they go out with guns. no guns, and then there were green buses and so forth. as a result, on the one hand, the city of aleppo was taken back under the control of the syrian government forces with the help of russia, but the problem is very big and it still exists, these militants moved to the north of syria to the province of idli under the guarantees of turkey, which she promised that she would work with these militants and that they would never join any extremist groups, but the country’s guarantees for that turkey turned out to be, to put it mildly, fake, turkey then announced that it was very difficult to solve this problem , experts are still arguing turkey does not want to do this or cannot, but most of these

militants joined, er, the ranks of extremist organizations. and this is a very serious problem. it's clear well, look, and i'll add, by the way, more here. here in this in these oddities and macron and nuland. and this is attention. but please note that literally since yesterday, in the circulation of these heroes who are sitting there, it means that they have appeared like rats in a dungeon. here is a new intonation appeal to third countries, that is, it is quite obvious that the context of everything that happens with azov steel. this is a very international context, so twisted in this sense, but i have a question. cancel assault. it sounds to me like we are conserving the situation from the series, and you go on there think about what he offers putin to think about, i don’t know, i just remember at that moment that, well, as if in the words of coach putin under judo, when he was asked, what is his favorite signature move. uh, putin's judoists he answered with ears. there is a feeling that something like

these hustling nuland macrons and everyone else is being pushed to something, yes, remember how we officially released the head of intelligence from germany from there was a separate plane organized the sky was already closed and don’t look from under sergey well here, uh, early. the first scenario, which in my opinion will not be accepted by the non-expert community, they are the russian society, as such, of course, uh, no one will understand if these uh hmm azov nazis are real, who turned mariupol into just a mountain of ashes. yes. uh, exchanging, and the most interesting thing is that this is a statement that was made in relation to those so-called third countries. after all, they indicated their conditions that they should not just be with weapons with small arms, that is, it is clear that this is certainly a signal from the west, they say. let's do whatever. try to negotiate with the russians so that we are released, i do not exclude that this is largely due to you, just as

it seems to me, with the alleged presence. there are high-ranking representatives of nato, which, by the way, nuland says. in this regard, by the way, it is necessary. well, you have to give it credit every time it smells like fried. she, in a sense, let it slip out, remember the story with biological laboratories, when she said that this should not be allowed, and the same thing in the context mariupol because the phrase representatives of countries can take part in this. nato can be expanded in the following way, they really can, because they are there and they are already blocked there that’s because it’s absolutely true, because you quite rightly moved, what kind of business it would seem strange nato for civilians to civilians, wounded soldiers from mariupol, then there is nowhere else in nato they were not interested in the second second scenario regarding just the strategy of our president. uh, bi- many say that the conditionally decisive battle. i'm now summarizing the totality of opinions that the decisive battle is an attempt. not exactly an attempt. and the goal is to defeat this donbass kharkov grouping and it is there that

fate will be decided. here is a special military operation in general military companies and many military experts. i do not belong to them. they say that those people who stormed mariupol now who have this experience are elites in a sense and they really are. need to save. it must be directed to other targets, because they will certainly be effective and the third moment psychologically. now let's imagine everything. that these scoundrels, walled up, scoundrels, because of a match, and by the ninth of may, they will surrender with bombs by some other effective methods of smoking out. it will be so shockingly demoralizing from the point of view of psychology, the effect on both ukraine and nato that in my opinion. now that's a decision now, uh, not to storm would be worth it, i don't know if that's the scenario, no let's imagine that on may 9th, one and a half thousand selected nazis, which now, by the way, this is very important in ukraine, they have elevated the status of heroes. this is conditionally the brest fortress. look , we are not subjugated and so on. if they surrender,

at the same time to this very important sacred victory day for us. psychologically, in my opinion. this break will be so powerful so strong that the further operation is in relation. there is the same grouping in the donbass, it seems to me, again, this is my point of view will take place there, i will finish ending this conversation specifically about the basics of steel. first of all, i would say that, of course, here, uh, what we have learned in these 7 weeks, but we need to learn more about it. we don't need to ever have, uh, and form any kind of high expectations. so i honestly want to say that imagining the device of this complex, where there is an atomic shelter that can withstand an atomic bomb, where, in my opinion, if my memory serves me right according to this scheme, up to 40,000 employees up to 40,000 employees could be sheltered, there in case such a war. i think that's how to smoke out from there to those marked your deadlines. this is hardly real and i don’t know

how necessary the last one is, when you said that if they were released, then society would not understand this. i, after all, and now, in fact, my colleagues confirmed my suspicions. i'm still more and more inclined to believe that these militants are not those azov. they are those around whom the copy breaks down, they seem to me, they are already those who are bargaining, being inside for someone who is needed by nato. i'm coming to this more and more, what are these all, uh, means recording appeals. this is no longer an appeal to military personnel who ask for evacuation. and this is the appeal of terrorists who have hostages. when i heard, this is about the third country. i thought so so so so something in it to me here is familiar. i don’t understand, and then i remembered, this is absolutely the same form in which the terrorists, which means that there is a million dollar plane and a

flight to any country. this is a conversation about it, they have someone there, the more they need it, especially if nato needs them so much, if we have the opportunity to get them one way or another. in my opinion, even more so to provide the public. if it's all the more people who have enough big shoulder straps there. boards so, moreover, theoretically there should not be any exchange. in my opinion, and exchange for whom to give? why not give an exchange for someone about budyonnovsk true, they said about the vigilance, however, here i am talking about this and the society will not understand this. listen, budyonnovsk, first of all, there were other times. and secondly, let's not forget that and yet, in the hands of the barefoot man and his bandits were, after all, our people are children and women, and i do not want to discuss the complexity of this decision now. god forbid any of us be in a situation. it's making a decision. i don’t want to

discuss it, but we have to do it here, more precisely, with this situation, because if there is someone who is held hostage by someone, and i’m more and more inclined towards this, then these are the nato military, some who are being held in hostage of the azov. and judging by this tone about third countries. this is exactly what it is adding to her. yes, i wanted to say that yesterday i was born here. a beautiful term we are producing the temptation of life. and judging by what they do. they really want to live, this is the question of what they start to bargain, they want to live. well, of course , they want to live on their own terms, and as it was rightly said about so the heather screeches everything to them. this is very necessary. the conditions under which they want to live are unacceptable for us and they are unacceptable for our society. do you have anything to add to the situation, because next now huh? come on, yesterday it was first that nato can supply as many weapons as it likes, but only if it does not participate in itself, so that not a single soldier is there, uh, and

they recall the experience of the vietnam war, that soviet weapons killed thousands of american soldiers , but it did not cause a nuclear conflict. but if there are, uh, uh, officers. eh, now, if they are really russian, this is already more, this is already very serious about nato officers. i don't know that one yet, by the way, said by putin ah, today was an interesting moment. i also paid attention and checked myself, because the president emphasized what to offer once again to everyone who has not yet laid down their weapons to make. it is the russian side that guarantees their lives worthy treatment in accordance with international legal acts. at that moment i thought that if we are talking, and we are talking about the fact that there are some foreigners there. they are mercenaries and about mercenaries, general kanashenkov at the end of march warned everyone that in case of being with weapons on the territory of ukraine they are not considered

combatants. and it does not apply to them, that is, in this sense. putin is now once again emphasizing history, which in a sense cancels. this is why i say that in my opinion, this is a conversation with someone somewhere, we are talking guys, that is, we understand that they are there, and we, as it were, said that we would see with weapons, we will slam on the spot , no matter how we clap on the spot, no matter how everything will be right. and you keep thinking. and as for, by the way, mariupol a and this surprising interest in mariupol, even self-propelled grandfather joe was reported about mariupol , however, in my opinion, it seems to me, they didn’t explain what mariupol is, where it has a button and how to use it, because grandfather joe reacted in an interesting way, please. i have no evidence yet that mariupol has fallen. putin should allow a humanitarian corridor to be organized so that people from this steel foundry and from other places that are buried under the rubble can get out.

that is, we are perfectly fine according to these words. understand that where is what? what is this about? he doesn't understand anything about it. and this, after all, to the question that since they report to him about this or write on this invisible monitor, from which he always reads all this. so, someone needs it and needs it. indeed, since around this city, where mariupol, very strange things have been happening for more than a month. yes, well, understandable. this can be explained by the fact that this is the first assault on a relatively large city in this military campaign, after all, kharkov sums, chernihiv a. a. kyiv is different oleg for biden, but for biden it doesn't matter. he doesn’t understand between mariupols, but he, but why georgie from georgia notes that it’s interesting that there are some people. we ourselves are well aware that this is not biden. waking up in the morning and talking. and what do we have there with mariupol?

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right there very much. we forgot to say this, that vereshchak, uh, who squeals all the time from kiev about the fact that give humanitarian corridors, as if she does not know that we are giving them. i would still respond to this. i would give more. a humanitarian corridor and would offer an evacuee. they are everyone is worried about the wounded, and nolan is worried about the wounded and the chirps. i would suggest how to open a small hole so that, well, like a fly does not fly through. here is a grin of the wounded guys pull out. at the same time, we will answer her from the other side of the wounded, if they need to give it back, then they will give it back. well, we need language. it seems to me that every wounded man and when he is carried, so to speak, e, as it were , becomes a valuable source of information, in general, it is interesting in this story. we'll figure it out more. and there are many such interesting stories with, uh, participation or complicity, and nato uh in this war in this military operation with the supply of weapons. and here, in another story, something interesting began to happen. that's what kirby's

pentagon spokesman said yesterday that the scope of their military assistance is increasing and is already increasing right now for aircraft. listen. ukraine received additional aircraft and spare parts for them, which should allow them to lift more fighters. they now have more operational combat aircraft than 2 weeks ago, hearing. it's already a habit. means in eyes have poured, respectively blood. eh, the voice of righteous anger, which is also here. whoever you think reassured me, you won’t believe the headquarters of the ukrainian air force, which announced from the command of the ukrainian air force that there were no new aircraft. they didn't receive. i thought, well, how interesting, so kirbit kirby already has planes, as if he says that he sent them. and these mean, they say that there are no

planes. and these, apparently, quite serious , some led, and the arguments, because even the president of ukraine, the famous stand-up comedian zelensky, therefore, performed the occasion. well, like this. seems like a pretty convincing reprise, please. in fact, we do not have any supply of any aircraft. we have not yet had what we have what we have. we have dates, we have guarantees, but again, we first want to receive, and then we will be grateful, that is, what zelensky says, he says there is a conversation about planes, and there are no planes. although kirby has already said that there are planes, and the most surprising thing in this story is that in response to the words of zelensky kirby began to make excuses. this is also very revealing, please. yesterday at the briefing, i said that ukraine received the whole planes. i didn't say the whole word, but that was the impression my words made. i was wrong. they didn't get whole planes from another country. i'm sorry for the

mistake i made. here, listen. well, listen to this. this is some kind of wedding in malinovka , can you imagine we gave you planes. no, you didn't give us salt. well, we kind of gave the planes. well , it’s not like planes at all - it’s like going more not that it's starting to come out. yes, this is very artyom, what is it? well, look, and this is the red line that they and we are talking about. yes, no one wants a direct conflict between russia and nato with an understandable escalation of non-conventional types of weapons, so to speak in diplomatic language, but no one wants, but we see that there are planes. yes? no, we do not see zero and ukrainians. we see that zero conversations cannot become twice as large. we see that heavy weapons, tanks, artillery, are being supplied. we see that american satellites provide targets. instructions will also be spoken in diplomatic language.