these are uh american foreign policy and the particular interaction of foreign policy with domestic policy. but logic is kind of not always the best indicator of what can happen and uh, which confuses me. uh, your logic, which from a foreign policy point of view is impeccable, which confuses me, that i should then u assume that biden wants to go to the midterm elections, which are coming up in november , elections for congress and part of the governors, that he wants to go to war, and we already know. and that this war is not only special operations in ukraine on this is an information war, and this is an economic war; in general, dmitry gives the impression that the main thing is the biden's task. this is to defeat russia in ukraine the main task is to support ukraine, you know, if the american voter

decides in six months that these are the main tasks of biden, and that biden is trying to achieve these tasks at the expense of the real priorities of the american voter, then i think that after the midterm elections, when likes to talk sometimes in russia, biden will not find it a little. i completely agree with you dmitry, but here, in fact, i see a vicious circle, because on the one hand, of course, the american voter is primarily concerned about the price of gasoline, and is concerned about the state of the southern border on the rio granta and many other internal problems. moreover, in that state, specifically where this american ordinary citizen lives, the fact that biden's rating is historically low, and the fact that the democratic party will definitely lose. this is a midterm election, just confirms. why is it the icon of the ministry of foreign affairs stupid it 's all about the economy silly, as he said at the time.

uh, bill clinton yes, who won. uh, the presidential elections of the ninety-second year have an extremely successful ex-president in foreign policy and military, uh, militarily. uh, bush sr. yes, but on the other hand, the anti-russian consensus that exists in the united states and the opinions that are constantly expressed in congress, including from both republicans and democrats, that a no-fly zone should be introduced, but about the fact that, in general, almost american troops are necessary, and to introduce ukraine and that biden shows weakness and this puts him in a stalemate. yes, and i, frankly, have no idea how to get out of this breed of vicious circle, uh, that is, on the one hand, yes, but the american voter does not care, by and large, about ukraine and those sanctions. there's an oil embargo against russia that the biden administration has imposed, and it works against the

political positions of the biden administration in the end, but on the other hand, if he now abandons sanctions or weakens them, yes, and will indeed begin to negotiate with russia at the end of the ukrainian conflict. and zelensky or others will start yelling that they are being abandoned. yes, then the republicans will immediately say that another american ally was thrown under a bus at the time. so they said in the address, but obama yes, and biden will not seem either. eh, this is good. here you can see or exit from this vicious circle of the vicious circle e you have them or not? e in the sense that there is no good easy way out, but it seems to me that it is in the interests of finding the optimal balance. u between its uh acts specifically for ukraine. i mean its main, uh, internal and, uh, foreign policy priorities. but now it turns out ukraine

ukraine ukraine ukraine well, you see, when ukraine ukraine is for russia, this is understandable. geography dictates. history dictates. family ties of many people. this dictates for most americans of ukraine - this is an abstraction . ukraine is not even a member of nato. i see constantly shows on american television buses with ukrainian refugees arrive in poland and in other countries in europe well, i live and work here in washington and completely different buses arrive there regularly. they come from the south from the border with mexico, where there are tens of hundreds of thousands of people, hundreds of thousands of people every month, every month and the administration does nothing about this and of course a significant part of the voters.

especially those who, well, not democrats, but rather sympathize somehow with republicans or sometimes even democrats. but they decided how they would vote, the so-called independents. here they have such a concentration in ukraine is beginning to irritate. therefore, i believe that the administration did not make a conscious decision to drag out the conflict in ukraine, the administration was fond of ukraine, the administration elected. contrary to the precepts of the first american president george washington , ukraine almost made a foreign idol called ukraine, but if you want, it is not some kind of sacred task for american foreign policy and it has diverted very dangerously from core american interests and priorities. well

more and more american experts say that the prolongation of the military conflict in ukraine is not in the interests of the united states. we often cited the opinions of american realists in our program. actually, you also belong to dmitry, who constantly assert from the very beginning of this conflict that it is in the interests of the united states to complete it as quickly as possible on the terms of a compromise and, moreover, to refuse further nato expansion, finally, take into account russian interests and not add oil into the fire. and and, and realists it is clear that they are ledges. for this, first of all, because realists are justifiably afraid of uncontrolled escalations, but uh , other voices have appeared recently, not only political scientists’ realists, but also economists, and more recently, and an article with a similar message. e in the column all hh was published by one of the most influential economists in the world and the united states, now

a professor at columbia university, jeffrey sachs, the same jeffrey sachs, uh, who was an adviser russian government in the early nineties , a who is the author of the concept of shock therapy, as we know, but he should not be blamed for its results. yes, that's another question here. so. listen to what jeffreys wrote about. the situation before ukraine can only be resolved by a peace agreement. the spirit of the vector strategy of the united states aimed at helping ukraine in the fight against the russian invasion through the imposition of tough sanctions and the supply of the ukrainian armed forces with modern weapons is likely to endure failure requires a peace agreement that can be reached in the near future. however, to achieve peace, the united states. nato will have to compromise that washington has so far rejected america's weapons-based approach and sanctions may sound convincing in the

echo chamber of american public opinion, but it doesn't work on the world stage. this approach has little support outside the us and europe and may eventually face backlash inside the west dmitry well, in fact, this confirms what e you are talking about, how do you think the administration understands this, but someone understands someone, i understand, and someone has russophobia, as it were, causes night blindness, and someone here uh, how the ukrainian army fights, and how it is possible to arm it, but uh, created the ghost of a possible victory, and they can’t think of anything else. and i am worried not only about the possible american failure, but also about the possible american success in this situation. i'll tell you now why i mentioned

you, and another person who was not very popular at one time in russia with a big name of the president and avoided georgian. in general, all his life he hated russia, and given the history of his side of his family. well, he had well-known reasons for this, but the woman was a very smart and strategically thinking person even by the end of his life. he began to speak, and we do not need dizziness from success. this is my wording, not his, and you need to know where to stop and try to draw ukraine into nato, which is ukraine, which is so important and so connected with russia it is to build the bridge too far and it could end in a big defeat for american foreign policy. even in zhizinsky, the term was mentioned a lot. jump. and when he spoke about other countries of the world, especially the big ones, this dignity, honor, is definitely achieved - self-respect.

yes, a and so, uh, he said that there is a contradiction. between the american emphasis on democracy in the international arena and the american belief that the united states can spread uh democracy by force, and in the name of protecting uh sovereignty ukraine is beginning to break out the arms of an american ally, even china, even india, and i have fears that no matter how the conflict in ukraine ends, this will cause a very bitter aftertaste for a number of important countries for the united states . and what will these countries think? that, maybe even a question not only for europe, a question not only about the world order, but also about some very

fundamental civilizational choice. they may have a feeling. what is that civilization. they considered, uh, me not to end them, but acceptable gradually refuses to give them the place they deserve and they may begin to draw conclusions that the united states will find very, very unpleasant. and dmitry it seems to me that this process has already begun. at least from the russian point of view. it u is coming and it is irreversible, because already now, uh, the united states has demonstrated an inability to consolidate and mobilize the vast majority of humanity related to it to the western world, and they have failed , uh, to force india, uh, to join anti-russian sanctions or even condemn russia brazil south africa okay? these are brix countries, but

the same applies to such allies in the united states as saudi arabia turkey and today. we are witnessing the deepest crisis in us-saudi relations. in their entire history, since the royal house of saudis began to rule, uh, this country and the more the united states puts pressure on these countries, the more the united states forces them to choose either the united states or china and russia, the weaker it becomes american influence on these countries, the more the united states uses the dollar, and as a tool yes, they screw up the global financial system, the faster countries will abandon the dollar and no more than today, the international monetary fund admitted that we are on the threshold, in fact already at the beginning of the fragmentation of the fragmentation of the world financial economic system. it is precisely as a result of these actions of the united states, that

is, it turns out that even tactically they cannot bring down russia, yes, and this is precisely the goal pursued. yes, wear down russia bring down russia uh isolate russia and strategically the united states loses. e your e, leadership your e, world positions. this is understood by many experts, including the american expert, but for me personally it is surprising that the biden administration. it would seem that that includes such very smart, but experienced er, realist thinking people, like jake sullivan for example, yes, a and and some others still. uh, they are trying to step on the same rake. well, there is a good expression that you you know, power is no worse than me, it blinds, absolute power blinds absolutely, and that's when the soviet union fell into the abyss and when there was a moment of e

american unipolarity and when even in russia a significant part of the russian elite supported this unipolarity and, in general, was ready go the fairway of american foreign policy. over the course of these years, the american, and power with a minimum, and restrictions, and practically rendered itself without a challenge. so this complex has been developed that the united states can and must decide everything and from it is very difficult to refuse this complex, but this does not mean that this complex is in the interests of the united states certainly other i really appreciate america it seems to me that america still has a great potential that has not been exhausted, despite huge internal difficulties. it seems to me that the american economy. in general, although, she

has weaknesses, again, she retains great potential, eh, but this does not mean america can do everything and if america will, uh, take on an overwhelming burden, if it will constantly break the arms of another state, especially other great powers, then america could be in a very, very vulnerable position. i don’t have to tell you dmitry in the story between defeat and victory is often a very small distance, very small, but the famous battle under the rampart. well, of course, our historical determinism says that everything is clear. napoleon should have lost, but in fact, if his troops had time to approach him, marshal of the pear before, uh, the english commander in chief came up to willington

prut troops. blucher, this battle could have ended in a completely different way, and i don’t know whether napoleon could restore his power over europe , but most likely he would have survived and most likely he would have retained some great positions for france here to the united states. you need to understand that when we find ourselves in a situation, e.g. with ukraine, which also affects the existential interests of another great power, which greatly affects the balance of power in the world and, accordingly, the future of american politics. well, it's not necessary from my point of view vision in the united states. even try to get it. minute victory because the absolute victory would most likely be the first, i completely agree dmitry a. i am afraid that the united states is in an even more difficult position than france because before the napoleonic bourbon france was a participant in the concert of europe, the

united states has no such experience. the united states has jumped from an era of isolationism to an era of hegemotism and the united states has no experience of equal relations and equal formation of the international order with other countries. but sooner or later they will have to learn this, and it seems to me that now is the very moment when the united states has approached this milestone, or they accept multipolarity as an inevitable and natural reality, albeit unpleasant for themselves, and learn from scratch from scratch that to exist in this multipolarity, either they suffer a very serious defeat and i don’t want that for them, because if the united states as a global superpower fails, then no one is good from this. uh, if the united states i'm sorry for the expression will calm down a bit and er start more in the long

run look at their own interests and understand. what a challenge a represents for the united states in china, it would actually be quite nice for russia to have. uh, another great power superpower in addition to china's international religion. and we will continue the conversation with dmitry simons. uh, next time, the big game will be back in a few moments. the most beautiful end of the olympic season of figure skating on ice star team of champions

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democracy in spite of being led by the united states or a union of authoritarian states led by e, russia china a today a c day stump. uh, the chairman of the people's republic of china spoke at the buao and asian forum and spoke out against this very bloc approach, listen all countries of the world are united by a common destiny, we are in the same boat and we have to overcome the storm to move towards a brighter future, it is impossible to someone was about to be thrown overboard into the sea. world community the integration process has become a complex structure , if you throw out one part, the whole mechanism will have difficulties. and if this happens, both the victim and the initiators of such an initiative will inevitably lose. we are against unilateral sanctions and do not intend to

pursue a policy aimed at forming blocs and intensifying confrontation, while reading supports any efforts aimed at resolving crisis situations. we will not follow up to military standards. but, uh, it turns out that on the side of china a, the vast majority of countries in the world that just don’t want to make choices when and here these words are the acceptability block of his approach that we are all in the same boat can be attributed to. xi and the countries of southeast asia, the countries of assians and the countries of the middle east and the countries of africa isn’t it absolutely and just the world today is being built around those countries that think this way, and here you need not only pay attention to poetics to beautiful words, oriental words are real, which divide the east and really words, very beautiful with a common destiny and a boat and a future zavorotnikov cannot be thrown away, but here the following is fundamentally the east is unthinkable. blokost the

west continues to be in a cold war, which ended mentally western colleagues were not ready for a new world. and china, in fact, today is one of the key architects of this future world, and i’m sorry, i ’ll interrupt literally for a second, because the community has a single destiny, about which all the money speaks - this is not a military-political bloc is absolutely true, and that’s just in time for this i wanted to go to common destiny community, what is it? this e is primarily an economic concept, but it is also an ideological and value concept, china says that he is overthinking the question, what will it be? this is the new globalization. this will be the chinese version of this globalization, and the east does not understand china against breaking the ties. why break ties? he just started to improve them, because those dividing lines that are sexy in the

east. they are a thing of the past, but in the west they exist and they are shaped by the smell to re-form and in in this connection, it is very important what was said about the throwing out of the fences. after all, in history it has happened more than once, when a number, he was holding and trying to throw out these systems of international relations. how it ended ended rather deplorably, it is impossible to isolate russia. what has been repeatedly said, and russia will not isolate itself, and just in these very links with the east, and our future, moreover, in the east begins to form its own hierarchy of the east is hierarchical, in essence it is one of the characteristics of the east are related to the hierarchy and it is very important that yesterday turkish foreign minister cavusoglu said that, while china is a bit of a super superpower. this is a very interesting statement. eh, precisely from a terminological point of view, but it is also interesting from the position that mr. cavusoglu said that

turkey would be interesting. in which direction will china choose in the future, that is, the east begins to orient itself to the east and there is, if you like, a discussion about the future between one east another third fourth, and the west is somewhere stands aloof and continues, while thinking flawed and irrational. e for myself. uh, first of all for myself, but for the world. in general, we live. the world is e by logicians, and these rational logicians lead the west into a trap for e, while the united states builds alliances build blocks against china, this is an auks - this is quat, and in addition, the united states is actively trying to incite, incite the taiwan conflict, which from the point of view of danger clash of great powers. even more, perhaps more dangerous than the ukrainian conflicts, which also kindled and continue to burn, and the united states with its supplies, and weapons,

and most recently taiwan was visited by a delegation of american congressmen, and just the other day after that, negotiations took place between the defense ministers of the united states and china, e, loyd, austin and weinhe, after which the chinese ministry of defense published a very important one. in my opinion, the statement of my minister, who said i will literally quote. and that the chinese military will vigorously defend national sovereignty, security, and territorial integrity from the united states should not be underestimated by china's resolve and capabilities. igor yuryevich i think this is a very strong statement. possibly one of the strongest and most unambiguous statements the chinese have made in recent times given their oriental culture. e, what do you think, firstly, can the chinese use military force

against taiwan if the united states brings a to this and will the united states stop in his attempts e to ignite the taiwanese conflict, well, as you know, a kind word is good. kind. the word, with a gun, it is more intelligible in this regard, economic and financial success. china is converted into a real rise in chinese military power today. the people's republic of china is not only a first-class economic power, but also a first-class military power, the people's liberation army, of china today capable of conducting combat operations in all environments, including cyber environment. in this regard, of course, the chinese general staff are chinese. military who are planning various scenarios of military operations are actually developing, including the military mechanism for solving the taiwan problem, we see