eh, if these 1,500 decide to break through from there, and there is me so much of mine where to break through, if they decide to break through from there, then, of course, this requires maintaining very serious forces in the city in order to block these breakthroughs, if they will and unconditionally of course, in this case we need to understand very clearly that this is a military operation. she, of course, has no analogues, but she cannot be considered. in my opinion, it is finished, while the resistance will still rise again, and since we and it seems to me, this is absolutely not. yes, i want to say that we will receive the answer to our main question tomorrow morning, namely, namely, if in the morning information comes from our correspondents that the strikes are continuing, but the assault is not going on. this means that everything is going well. that is, we do not waste people. we just trample them, what is called quietly, and give them the opportunity to think about their future life, perhaps a short one, if we do not trample them, as you say, uh, we fire something at them in a sense while blocking, nevertheless, everything equals you are just there. it will be longer, and here the question arises

about the short one, about which you said that , firstly, if there are one and a half thousand of them, and there are so many of them. the other side. if it is manually cleaned by personnel, then it is necessary to keep an even larger grouping there, that is, roughly speaking, this diverts forces in this and that way. i think that if you clean it up, then more here i have another question. e, which i don't really understandable. you and i, among other things, discussed what is there on the territory of this huge industrial complex, which, of course, will be blocked from flies and all other insects. and they have those there, nevertheless, there are positions from which you can fire at other areas of the city, for example, from a mortar. and in this sense, i kind of like this question, i don’t quite understand, oleg, yes, well, really, because, well, a house, they are like skyscrapers. yes, they are very much higher than five-story buildings, which surround them higher than those working quarters, ah and er, here, indeed, the situation with

one side is the right decision. yes, we protect our lives, but on the other hand. well, let's remember, because they talked about it, we probably had a fairly large number of patriots yes from the very beginning, supporters of the operation who say you can't storm. mariupol, you get bogged down, and block the city entirely at once and perform broader tasks. that's why, along the outer ring of the encirclement , there is suppression of pressure on kiev, suppression on kharkov and amounts. yes, indeed. we see, well, a month, or even more than a month. we are in mariupol, can we say that we are stuck or not? uh, teach. that there was only one area left, where the blocked 1,500 of these natsiks are located, what we are stuck to say is probably impossible. but the fact that this abscess is called questions, to say, of course, the second thing is possible. yes? i can already

see o uh, well, first of all, uh, what the opponent is talking about. yes, and what they are talking about in europe is yes, since the vereshchak of the deputy prime minister of ukraine she, after all, has already begun to squeal, and to inflate the topic of bla-blakad, but they caught yes, yes, that is, here already goes. uh, the blasphemous overlap of the blockade of leningrad and the blockade caught a tripod doing every day, it should be done every day today, especially after they heard that we were stopping the assault, or even the bidens of inuland. and i completely agree here, is there a coincidence with the convoy of minutes, she demands a humanitarian exit from mariupol from everyone, and look, in fact, when there is a way out , this will be served to the whole world, like our defeat. and now, just when you went into it, vlad already mentioned the amazing uh, interest. eh, it was precisely the goats who became nuland, and precisely so that i can still remind you of the

macron, who was still there a couple of weeks ago, for some reason, it was mariupol that the macron was madly interested in, and it was from mariupol that the macron. all the time i tried to organize something like that with my calls. it was there that for some reason he wanted to carry out a humanitarian operation. yes indeed. yes, end of march. let's go nulan, shall we? let's listen, let's remind e. let's. okay, please. there was some hope that the russians can allow safe passage for civilians and wounded soldiers from mariupol, but such agreements have failed several times, i believe that if the work of the corridor is nevertheless implemented, then representatives of the member countries can take part in this. nato is where the most interesting question begins, because you started it, as it were, from the e-end, because at first there was a macron with an incomprehensible interest in mariupol, now nuland, e, which for some reason necessarily needs humanitarian corridors here. and it's like what screeching more and more, the vershchuk is specifically about

mariupol, which indicates that around not mariupol, but around azov, the steel remaining there is clearly going on for some combination that is very important for them, for some reason it is very important to them . this one, no matter how the topic leave. and it's in this context that i honestly admit and regard, but the statement that vladimir putin made under the camera in a conversation with shoigu well, let me say a little from my own point of view. profession - this analyzed you for 7 1/2 weeks of surgery we have seen many such situations when the minister of defense and the commander-in-chief discussed a plan of action in a particular military situation; spoiler , this has never happened, but about the cancellation of the assault on azov steel. the commander-in-chief to the minister of defense under the camera says all this is my ve- yes, he gives the order, or rather, cancels the order, it has not only local significance but also international moreover, my version and

you are now exactly talking about it at the beginning, my version, why did i remember and about macrons and pronuland and about the squealing, what it was, but the conversation not about azov steel and not about the military component, but about some much broader history within the framework of which putin says that a fly will not fly by fighters cannot spend on it. let it stand, as it comes. now you just need to understand what versions there are. and this is with whom and what can the conversation be about. if you are talking about the international component, which is parallel to the statements of the macron, in france he was fired, by the same macron, the head of military intelligence in france and it is considered that for miscalculations regarding ukraine and possibly for situation with mariupol rumors. what, well, the fact that there are foreign mercenaries there is a fact of rumors that there may even be strange nato officers they appeared and this may perhaps explain the interest of a number of countries. e, k. e,

mariupol, the goat got up and that's such a stormy behind the scenes, yes, you have a second. eh, i won’t even interrupt, but i’ll add, and not just stormy, and the exclusive attention to mariupol has risen, because today. yesterday i saw somewhere the statistics for today on the territory ukraine is being held hostage by something like 6,500 foreign citizens. and i have never heard anyone about these foreign nationals. so he beat the alarm. how exactly about the mariupol azov steel? that is, this is some kind of perverse case , uh, an example in recent history. uh, this is the situation in aleppo five years ago, but there were no foreign citizens. uh, in such numbers and at least, and even more so, there were no representatives, most likely nato is strange, but there were militants, and as we remember, uh, corridors were organized for withdrawal of several thousand. uh militants from aleppo a.

russia then decided that it was better for the syrian government army to enter the city to take control of it, and the explanation was the same, it was necessary to save lives and enter the city. and in return , the militants lay down their arms and leave aleppo , and there were very long disputes. they go out with guns. no guns, and then there were green buses and so forth. as a result, on the one hand, the city of aleppo was taken back under the control of the syrian government forces with the help of russia, but the problem is very big and it still exists, these militants moved to the north of syria to the province of idli under the guarantees of turkey, which promised that they would work with these militants and that they would never join any extremist groups, but the country’s guarantees for that turkey turned out to be , uh, to put it mildly, fake, turkey later announced that it was very difficult to solve this problem. until now, experts argue turkey does not want to

do this or cannot, but uh, most of these militants joined, uh, the ranks of extremist organizations. and this is a very serious problem. i see. well, look, i'll add, by the way, one more thing here. here in this in these oddities and macron and nuland. and this is attention. but please note that literally since yesterday, in the circulation of these heroes who are sitting there, it means, like rats in the dungeons, they also have appeared. here is a new intonation appeal to third countries, that is, it is quite obvious that the context of everything that happens with azov steel. this is some kind of very international context, so twisted and in this i mean, i have a question. cancel assault. for me, it sounds like we are conserving the situation from the series, and you think further there , i don’t know what putin offers them to think about, i just remember at that moment that, well, as if in the words of putin’s coach under judo when asked what is his favorite

signature move. uh, judoists putin he answered with his ears. there is a feeling that these bustling nuland macrons and everyone else are being pushed to something, yes, remember how we officially released the head of intelligence from there germany had a separate plane organized by the sky was already closed, right? the first scenario, which in my opinion will not be accepted by the non-expert community, they are the russian society, as such, of course, uh, no one will understand if these uh hmm azov nazis are real, who turned mariupol into just a mountain of ashes. yes. uh, exchanging, and the most interesting thing is that this is a statement that was made in relation to those so-called third countries. after all, they indicated their conditions that they should not just be with another with small arms, that is it is clear that this is certainly a signal from the west, they say. let's do whatever. try to

negotiate with the russians so that we will be released, i do not rule out that this is largely due to you, just as it seems to me, with the alleged presence of high-ranking nato representatives there, which, by the way, nuland is talking about. in this regard, by the way, it is necessary. well, you have to give it credit every time it smells like fried. she, in a sense, let it slip, remember the story with biological laboratories, when she said that she didn’t allow this and the same thing in the context of mariupol, because the phrase representatives of countries can take part in this. nato can be expanded in the following way, they really can, because they are there and they are already blocked there. that's because it's absolutely true, because you absolutely rightly noticed that what kind of business would seem strange nato for civilians to civilians, wounded soldiers from mariupol, then is nowhere in other places, it was nato that they were not interested in. the second second scenario according to about just the strategy of our president. but many say that conditionally the decisive battle. i'm now summarizing the totality of opinions that the decisive battle is an attempt. not exactly

an attempt. and the goal is to defeat this donbass kharkov grouping and it is there that fate will be decided. here is a special military operation in general military companies and many military experts. i do not belong to them. they say that those people who stormed mariupol now who have this experience are elites in a sense and they really are. need to save. her must be directed to other goals, because they will certainly be effective and the third point is psychological. now let's imagine everything. that these scoundrels, walled up, scoundrels, because of a match, and by the ninth of may, they will surrender with bombs by some other effective methods of smoking out. it will be so shockingly demoralizing from the point of view of psychology, the effect on both ukraine and nato that in my opinion. here's the decision now uh, not storming will be worth it, i don't know if this scenario, no let's imagine that may 9th one and a half thousand selected nazis, who, by the way, are now very important in ukraine, have elevated the status

of heroes. this is conditionally the brest fortress. look , we are not subjugated and so on. if they surrender, at the same time to this very important sacred victory day for us. psychologically, in my opinion. this break will be so powerful so strong that the further operation is in relation. there is the same grouping in the donbass, it seems to me, again, this is my point of view will occur. i will finish ending this conversation specifically about basic steel. first of all, i would say that of course, here, uh, what we have learned in these 7 weeks, but we need to learn this further. we don't need to ever have, uh, and form any kind of high expectations. so i honestly want to say that imagining the device of this complex, where there is an atomic shelter that can withstand an atomic bomb, where, in my opinion, if my memory serves me right according to this scheme, up to 40,000 employees up to 40,000 employees could be sheltered, there in case such a war. i think that's

as if smoking out from there in those indicated by your terms. this is hardly real and i don't know how necessary. and the last thing, when you said that if they were released, society would not understand this. i, after all, and now, in fact, my colleagues confirmed my suspicions. i'm still more and more inclined to believe that these militants are not those azov. they are those around whom the copy breaks down, they seem to me, they are already those who are bargaining, being inside for someone who is needed by nato. i am more and i come to this more that all these, uh, means recording appeals. this is no longer an appeal to military personnel who ask for evacuation. and this is the appeal of terrorists who have hostages. when i heard, this is about the third country. i thought so so so so something in it to me here is familiar. i don't understand, and then i

remembered, it's absolutely. also, the form in which the terrorists are, which means that there is a million dollar plane and a flight to any country. this is a conversation about it, they have someone there, the more they need it, more so, if nato needs them so much, if we have the opportunity to get them one way or another. in my opinion, the more so to provide the public, if it is all the more people who are sufficiently large epaulettes. boards so, moreover, theoretically there should not be any exchange. in my opinion, and exchange for whom to give? why not give an exchange for someone ? there were other times. and secondly, after all, let's not forget that and yet, in the hands of the barefoot man and his bandits were, after all, our people are children and women, and i do not want to discuss the complexity of

this decision now. god forbid any of us be in a situation. it's making a decision. i don’t want to discuss it, but we have to do it here, more precisely, with this situation, because if there is someone who is held hostage by someone, and i’m more and more inclined towards this, then these are the nato military, some who are being held in hostage of the azov. and judging on this tone about third countries. this is exactly what it is, adding and yes, give birth here yesterday. a beautiful term we are producing the temptation of life. and judging by what they do. they really want to live, this is the question of what they start to bargain, they want to live. well, of course, they want to live on their own terms, and as it was rightly said about so the heather screeches everything to them. this is very necessary. the conditions under which they want to live are unacceptable for us and they are unacceptable for our society. do you have anything to add to situations tied up, because let's go on now. yesterday, at first, there was an ecology that nato can supply as many

weapons as it likes, but only if it does not participate in itself, so that not a single soldier is there, uh, and they recall the experience of the vietnam war, that soviet weapons killed thousands of american soldiers, but it did not cause a nuclear conflict. but if there are russian officers there. eh, now, if they really are under the russians, this is already an incident of whiteness, this is already very serious about nato officers. i don't know that one yet, by the way, said by putin ah, today was an interesting moment. i also paid attention and checked myself, because the president emphasized what to offer once again to everyone who has not yet laid down their weapons to make. it is the russian side that guarantees their lives and decent treatment in accordance with international legal acts. at that moment i thought that if we are talking, and we are talking about the fact that there are some foreigners there, of course, mercenaries and about mercenaries, general kanashenkov at the end of march warned everyone that if they were with

weapons on the territory of ukraine, they would not be considered combatants. and it does not apply to them, that is, in this sense. putin is now once again emphasizing history, which in a sense cancels. this is why i say that in my opinion, this is a conversation with someone somewhere, we are talking guys, that is, we understand that they are there, and we, as it were, said that we would see with weapons, we will slam on the spot , no matter how we clap on the spot, no matter how everything will be right. and you keep thinking. and as for, by the way, mariupol. and this amazing interest in mariupol, even self-propelled grandfather joe was reported about mariupol , though, in my opinion, it seems to me, they didn’t explain what mariupol is, where it has a button and how to use it, because e grandfather joe responded in an interesting way, please. i have no evidence yet that mariupol has fallen. putin should allow a humanitarian corridor to be organized so that

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sunday on the first line enjoy the game the rest is up to us will show continue to work live until commercials. they were just discussing a rather interesting and obviously related story with azov steel, not only and not so much to ukraine, but this one is an interesting concern of both macron and nuland and many other nato members. that's it for the fact that along the humanitarian corridor someone was evacuated from there, it was suggested that these someone they really need. and who do they not want to get to us, and in this sense, perhaps, a postponement of the assault. this is a conversation about, guys, well, we are not in a hurry for now. okay, let's not forge them from there. maybe something you are there, er yourself there are interesting, come up with by the way, right there very much. we forgot to say this, that heather, uh, who screeches all the time from kiev about the fact that give humanitarian corridors. it's like she

doesn't know we're giving them. i would still respond to this. i would give more. humanitarian corridor and proposed combat qr they are all worried about the wounded , and nulland is worried about the wounded vereshchak. i would suggest how to open a small hole so that, well, like a fly does not fly through. here is a grin of the wounded guys pull out. a pentagon spokesman said that the scope of

their military assistance is increasing and increasing right now for aircraft. listen. ukraine received additional aircraft and spare parts for them, which should allow them to lift more fighters. they now have a greater number of operational combat aircraft than 2 weeks ago, hearing. it's already a habit. this means that the eyes are filled with blood, respectively, and the voice is a righteous sky, which is also here. whoever you think reassured me, you won’t believe the headquarters of the ukrainian air force who said from the command of the ukrainian air force that there were no new aircraft. they didn't receive. i thought, well, how interesting then, kirby's normal tactics kirby already planes, as if saying that he sent them. and these mean, they say that there are no planes. and these, apparently, were some quite serious ones, but arguments, because even the president of

ukraine, the well-known stand-up comedian zelensky, therefore performed the occasion. well, that's it. sounds like a pretty convincing cut to me, please. in fact , we do not have any supply of any aircraft. we have not yet had what we have what we have. we have dates, we have guarantees, but again, we first want to receive, and then we will be grateful, that is, what zelensky says, he says there is a conversation about planes, a there are no planes. although kirby has already said that there are planes, the most surprising thing in this story is that in response to zelensky's words, kirby began to make excuses. this is also very revealing, please. yesterday at the briefing, i said that ukraine received the whole planes. i didn't say the whole word, but that was the impression my words made. i was wrong. they didn't get whole planes from another country. i'm sorry for the mistake i made. here, listen. well, listen to this. this is some kind of wedding in malinovka , can you imagine we gave you planes. no you

they didn't give us salt. well, we kind of gave the planes. well , it’s not like planes at all - it’s like going yet, not that it’s starting to crawl out. yes, this is very artyom, what is it? well, look, and this is the red line that they and we are talking about. yes, no one wants a direct conflict between russia and nato with an understandable escalation of non-conventional types of weapons, so to speak in diplomatic language, but no one wants, but we see that there are planes. yes? no, we do not see zero and ukrainians. we see that zero conversations cannot become twice as large. we see that heavy weapons tanks artillery being supplied we see that american satellites give instructions to targets in the same diplomatic language for large targets in naval warfare. yes, very diplomatic, but understandable enough for everyone, doesn't mean an american three-star general? ah,

that is, the four-star sits in mariupoleon a month ago announced, well, the name was announced, but uh, we have n't seen him yet. we didn’t see him, no matter how hard he hears, does this mean that the united states is not at war with russia and does this mean that russia should not answer to the regiment. azov as an enemy and not zelensky from the united states. i like the way it is said, even your thoughts, but i can only object to you, but for the sake of truth, that it is impossible to raise the question of whether the united states is at war with russia because it is not at war with ukraine, not ukraine is at war with russia, therefore, any supply of weapons, any alliances, in any case, they cannot be regarded from the point of view of waging war, because formally no one is waging war with anyone, then everything is for peace. what questions? here, but here it is these are these nuances in conversations about

weapons. after all, why do i pay attention to this somewhere inside me, by the way, in this howitzer about these, which fly on some kind of planes and about these tanks, which turned out to be some kind of light armored transporters or obsolete t-72 scrap metal, which, of course, also drives and shoots. i have a feeling more and more, and this is not some kind of here. well, such a screen, yes, than you remember the movie the man from the boulevard des capuchins when there is one of heroes said about america this country could be corruption. so i think that, just like in afghanistan , billions of dollars are being laundered, allegedly, something is being supplied, in fact, everything is fine. that nothing there that is actually delivered remains on paper money in your pocket in the right bank and moreover, that's the most disgusting thing for those who have not joined the sanctions, perhaps some of these weapons are already going to the middle east due to the fact that what to destabilize him in order to, uh, ignite a conflict there, so that the americans get tu the cheapest not