almost every day from our side, but according to your information. is it possible that attempts to break out from the territory of azov stopped, because they say that there are about 4 hundred foreign mercenaries there, plus, perhaps, i will emphasize it correctly. he says that he emphasizes the need for civilians who are held hostage and they will somehow, perhaps, hide behind, if they are there, if there is information about attempts to break through. of course they can make such an attempt, because they are running low at the moment, all uh, and food and drink and supplies. that is, they turn out hopeless situation. now we know they are already demanding. they do not want to return to ukraine, they are already demanding extradition, but on the third page. yes , in my opinion, turkey sounded, if i’m not mistaken, well, these attempts will not succeed in any case, because the territory of azov has become reliably blocked by our troops together with the troops of the

russian federation, including artillery, a and yard blows are made, appropriate in order to block such torture, that is, these nationalists have an exit. at these fighters. there is one, but simply lay down your arms and surrender. or, well, die already. e. as they think, not in some heroic impulse, but only they think so, perhaps, because everyone else understands that this is a completely inadequate situation. thank you very much , natalya yuryevna nikanorova was the minister of foreign affairs of the donetsk people's republic, and yesterday the head of our ministry of foreign affairs, sergey lavrov, gave a great interview to our colleagues to the big game program on the first channel, in which spoke about the fact that now the threat of nuclear war is real, more than ever sergey lavrov also added that by arming ukraine, nato is essentially entering into a

proxy war with russia, let's listen. i have read several statements by us active military, anonymous, about what happens to these weapons when they cross the ukrainian border, and where they will find their final, so to speak, destination. he said we don't have information. e about how all this weapons, where it goes. uh, of course, these weapons will be, uh, a legitimate target for uh, the russian armed forces that operate as part of a special operation and warehouses, including in western ukraine, have already become more than once with such a goal, therefore, how else, if nato in fact enters into a war with russia through a proxy. and arms this proxy, well, in war, as in war. maxim and further, but

what we officially began to say is that the confrontation in ukraine is, in fact, the so-called collective west. it's somehow or the task of a special military operation is changing. but i think that the situation will develop. so, probably, it was clear before. uh, only the supreme head of the team knows the goals of the task, what he wants he voices, but of course, it's obvious. i agree with everyone who said here that it is impossible? retreat in any negotiations no intermediate position, so i looked at these comrades, yes, who are going to the minister of defense. i don’t really understand, they lied to coordinate the supply of weapons, but it seems that in the modern world there is no it’s imperative that fools gather for you personally, when they essentially have to anoint each other with blood so that they can’t get out later, it’s not anointed with blood, but no, that’s how i looked at

them. i am not a military expert, just in my time, i served urgently, but some people are not very respectable. for example, i remember how the german defense minister, remember, said that we should ban putin from shopping on the champs elysees. well, i can hardly imagine that our minister of defense about something similar, i even thought, yes, they they say that it is obvious that the interest of this only defense should have been, therefore, i believe, uh, in our banks to block. that's what america's secretary of defense is doing, remember he was arguing with a senator. so moreover, like carcasses, no, we are actually strong. can't you see, we're adding weapons, too, it's hard to imagine the level of diplomacy has fallen, i don't think that the level of diplomacy has fallen . i think yes, the situation, of course, the special operation is developing. we don’t just see such a dark one on the screens, we show you, yes, that’s the secretary of defense is constantly the head of the pentagon on site. woz, i would pay attention to this meeting of the pandemic, it didn’t end, they all hugged something and

gave not a single glass of drink, they would spread it already, then the infection around the world. here, well, it has, maybe they hug, because i'm scared of them. i suppose that this is a meeting and anoint with blood, of course, but they are driven by fear, and in my opinion. i will not repeat not a military expert. here, too, they did not agree. yes, we know that our operation may not be going as planned, but in any such situation is impossible; in general, all war historians know all this. all examples confirm this, but i am absolutely convinced that they thought everything through in advance and the tactics of the terrorists. wars and cover by civilians and terrorist attacks a huge amount of weapons that we did not pump ukraine . they were absolutely sure that russia would quickly stop when they saw it. such great military difficulties are quite zelensky to request negotiations in the early days, that is, the plan was such that russia becomes intermediate negotiations, as with milashevich. yes, like at the first stage it will seem. yes, they returned the world, then they will

slowly add pressure. it didn't work out for them completely. therefore, the means that they used are not political enough, they are going to put pressure on us with a threat and so on, look, they didn’t succeed and the other one is still not more confident, maybe on our army, apparently, such difficulties will begin , n- ten will develop, like they thought. yes, they are not subordinate to the supreme command of all this . they thought that inside the people would say, yes, what it unleashed a war so such tabernacles, nothing happened. interestingly, the idea was thrown to us by dmitry georgievich, he will ask us and they heard it. they understand that nothing happened. need to hit. it is this we interpret the meeting as they strengthen. although, of course, nothing came of going for putin as they wanted, and then it turns out as they wanted. no, i think there is a concept in the details. this is the people who have gathered who will work out the details, but

conceptually solved. the main task, of course, related to the fact that e dream is the dream of our opponents. indeed, many, like ukraine and russia, are in a state of armed conflict. that is, it is a strategy. it is implemented here as well. i think they have the opportunity to praise each other and be in a good mood for private details. yes, of course, but of course, and the operation is developing not as well as they would like. they thought that we would already stall and choke. well, so can we. they thought that everything would go faster, the operation is developing wrong ok, they wobble. well, i'm already confused. here they are in all terms, because in an era when there is an information confrontation. yes, we are trying, but to analyze the real state of affairs in order to tell our viewers and now it turns out, as i understand it, correct me. if wrong, yes. well, first of all, there is a meeting going on right now. the meeting between sergei lavrov and the general secretary has already begun. and that is

, they are trying to put pressure on us diplomatically against the backdrop of the meeting. so you say, this, of course, is far from being about ukraine, and this will be only one of the questions only one of the questions most today of course. well, this is the most acute, or rather, the most acute meetings are being asked now, which means that something is not going the way they expected. they thought that we, in order for you to imagine earlier how guterish heads the united nations organization at the nato station, and with all the claims that we can express against him, he adequately understands the task of the united nations organization and act as an plenipotentiary on this . i think i hope he won't and won't weighs heavily. to what the americans say very clearly. as for nato, there are still serious disagreements there, and therefore they want to show that this is not necessary . it is 40 countries that are going to be based on rammstein. this is more than necessary trying to send some such political message to the world, but the disagreement is serious. they

relate to the nature of supply financing financing, a very important issue. here is the dark one. uh, the head of the pentagon is loita, but his controversy was mentioned by the senator. uh, recent in america. it was not even about ukraine, it was about how to increase the budget of the pentagon and everything just like that, except for money, which, of course, can justify the increase in this in reality . the shelling of donbass and a special military operation in ukraine, and we now have a direct line of war correspondent alexander matyushin, he is now in yasinovataya alexander hello. as far as i understand, this is the direction we have, the direction of avdiivka, where many predict the hottest phase in the very next few days, if not hours. hello, ruslan i am, however, not in the most. if it’s for us if it’s in the wat area, here it is a path, it leads directly, and to the position of the dpr army and today,

and if the guilty one, as in principle, the entire navat area was again shelled, and in particular, the settlement of yakovlevka was shelled and now there, because of the shelling, the road is blocked to the very. if it’s new, and it’s impossible to drive along this highway, and also, in principle, almost the entire territory is in time, the dpr is the kuibyshev region. this is the kirovsky district, petrovsky district, where this morning, and a woman was killed as a result of shelling, this is makeev as a barga district, and for many days now, a resident has been under shelling. uh, a and gorlov wake up in makeevka donetsk, and if the guilty ones wake up and fall asleep to the sounds, and the ukrainians fire artillery, they not only shoot from mortars , but shoot from behind rzograds and 122-mm guns of 152-mm guns.

today, from 6:00 am to 12:00 pm, about 20 rockets were fired at yesenovaya, and about 20 hail and large-caliber shells and capital artillery, and today a shell also hit makeevka, this is the severny quarter near the railway station. that is, so that our people travel from where to russia and across the republic on electric trains , that is, so that it would be if this projectile flew literally meters there, but did not fly 300 meters . here, a fairly large number of people who move, er, by the railway transport of alexandra zelenka, whom we can see already blooming leaves behind you, could die. can you briefly tell how much zelenka influences the fighting, yes that's what we call it in the military. it is quite convenient for us, because it is a natural

disguise, but also in ukraine, the ukrainians bring us some inconvenience. but the fact that it also disguises ukrainian soldiers. that's why, in principle, with any attack. e, in the first place, of course, gets e, under the artillery strike of zelenok in positions, but because there is a risk, there are accumulations of either some kind of reconnaissance groups, or directly front-line units. thanks a lot alexander conclusion. take care of yourself, everyone assumes that in this direction it will be very, very hot in the near future. well, about the greenery of our fighters. there is a lot of experience in working in such conditions. last week, the first launch of the most powerful intercontinental missile in the world was successfully completed, sarmat does not have such a missile, no one in the world and according to forecasts for the next 10-15 years will definitely have

this missile capable of hitting targets at long ranges. uh, in addition, it can overcome any existing missile defense systems and it is not surprising that in the west they are throwing a real tantrum, and while they are going to arm ukraine again at the rammstein base and continue to arm more accurately, and the british press comes out with such pictures and articles, and that the missile launch area is in russia which is located somewhere even a in the eastern part of our country, most likely beyond the urals and we are going to calculate the trajectory along which a rocket can reach london and you know what they write, but they write that 10 warheads. it's enough for one hit to wipe out territories the size of great britain or france, we do not scare, we do not intimidate. we're just stating a fact.

on the first time will show anatoly kuzichev olesya loseva ukraine is trying to strike at russian territory in the evening and night with a difference. in a few hours, three settlements of the belgorod region were shelled, and the governors of this region, vyacheslav gladkov, have already confirmed the shelling was introduced from the ukrainian side. there was shelling from the ukrainian side, non-khoteevka, there are damaged residential buildings and personal vehicles of the victims among civilians. no, i called, the head of the zhuravlyovka started shelling the village already. now it is clear that there are civilians who were injured, while there are two wounded men with a wound in the arm and a woman in the neck area . thank god that there are no casualties among the civilian population with other problems. let's handle it according to the latest information about the lives of those who

suffered during the shelling of the village of zhuravlyovka. no that is, thank god, everything will be fine. yes. well and, of course, begs the question. how do you understand these attacks? this i don't know, desperation is an attempt to aggravate. i don’t know any such report, you know, and the targeted use of funds from across the oceans coming from outside, of course, is despair, but we must understand that everything that happens. in ukraine, it has nothing to do with those commanders and chiefs representing the armed forces and the ukrainian authorities. there, uh, they command and lead. uh, military specialists are primarily american , they give the command and within the framework. eh, here, uh, everyone processes that are taking place, especially those meeting themselves. they do not decide anything themselves, they do not decide anything on the territory. this is the arrow by the americans of our territory of our territory within. uh, so far, the first phase of the war that

nato is waging with russia, which nato is waging with russia , and the meeting of the ministers of foreign affairs of the united states and the secretary of defense in nato is uh , in the near future, the transition to the second phase. i want to remind you that our media have already reported today that the french special forces, appeared in ukraine and under the guise of so-called certain participation in a special operation to protect ukraine they uh, cultivate uh, nato's smooth entry into a military conflict. although he entered. and what is, the second form. this is the second pheasant, no, the main thing - well, the official front, yes, it is impossible for the information-psychological operation to do this right away. there will be many questions

the second point. they are most afraid that we will open the cache. e. azov steel, where documents and people who are there will be shown and thirdly, they started a serious supply of weapons. let the old one. they do not forget about the economy. they make money on this, here we are with colleagues uh, today we discussed when we are talking about the germans, with whom we have developed good relations and who are extremely dependent on us for energy resources. they are already giving ambiguous e signals. in this case, i'm not very sure that this is not the german government, but orders, when 88 old leopard tanks, it directly requires a separate discussion. we promise today. we will definitely discuss this. this is an important point. we understand that there is a very serious activation going on in this case as well. uh,

loitering, uh, artillery mounts, of which , perhaps, many viewers do not understand the borders we have uh 2,000. and what are they like, that these are the so -called kamikaze drones, that is, such a projectile as which flies out and strikes. well, that is, in fact, he is, he is guided, but a projectile, but kamikaze hits there, look there, uh, kamikaze drones now they started talking and in this case, we don't fully know yet, it's actually a very bad situation for ours, because they are all thermal cameras and uh, they are extremely dangerous for vehicles, since the engines work. now in this case. today, as a specialist, i want to tell you that the bulk are barrage of artillery installations disguised as civilians, who came and fired 3-4 shots and left. it is clear to them that it is important, as it seems to foreign specialists, to create such an

emotional and psychological environment on territory of russia so that people start to worry. but people living in ordinary life. they worry network panic. it's understandable that this is an important part of this whole fight to clarify. naturally, but france yes, just a clarification. do i understand correctly that if your ideas are at the beginning, so to speak, of the second phase of the second stage of the war. with russia this second stage involves. what did they say? the smooth entry of nato is smooth, but the official entry of nato into this conflict, that's how it was, still unofficial, remember how many times there was a statement that yes. yes, yes we deliver, but you can not interpret. it's like participation, they agreed a thousand times, and now everything is correct, then you get that the visit of lloyd austin and anthony blinkin to kiev after a business card. this is after their visit. after their visit somewhere, a meeting with zelensky there, let's say so, after their visit. after all , these shelling began, that is, they officially gave the green light to zelensky for the

beginning of this very second phase. here listen again, do not be misled, so this visit and zelensky's meeting with glinkin and aspen, uh, which i'm not sure that it was even on the territory of ukraine because the bunker and all these conversations had to be open. this curtsy of support is psychological support actually. the most important thing is their conversation and tough attitudes that will take place among the main participants in the country that zelensky’s opinion of these people does not matter for participation in this matter. first of all, they are zelensky, he wanted a biden. he needs raise, support the population, and so on. he is not satisfied, but those people who make decisions have arrived, but sergey vladimirovich, you also interpret this visit, so to speak, the situation is the second phase, the second stage, because, after all,

france ladies and all that. well, look, yes, it’s clear that the decision is made by some other offices in those very decision-making centers, but, but the topics are fighting or what ukrainians do, therefore, but they seem to have to somehow, so to speak, they need everything - to set it up for this. still, still not quite. so i'm interpreting that we can be like this with franz adam than such slight stylistic differences? yes please this is the topic, well what about? actually, these blows, but ukrainian. yes, of course, i don’t think that any of the americans there gave the order, as i see it, this is, firstly, of course, harshness. secondly, this is a reminder of russia that the current ukrainian leadership represents not only the leadership of russia, not only the armed forces of russia, but also the russian society, all of russia enemy. what, in fact, president zelensky said at his press conference, and last saturday in the subway. as for nato and what i'm talking about, france is supposedly some kind of

second stage. but in nato's actions, i would still say it a little differently. i believe that there will be no second stage, it would be more appropriate to say that upgrades and modernization may be underway. here is the first stage. the first stage will be the only one, that is, the second stage, if you think in the logic of the french. it's high quality new stages, confronting. this is a no-fly zone, that's where nato does not go so to speak. i don’t know, so to speak, up to the official part of the date and so on, the threat of nuclear war and so on is still not going for it, therefore, but at the same time there is really an escalation, there is an attempt to increase pressure on russia and more actively support ukraine pain with more serious weapons. what did they actually talk about? right now, and austin and damn it, and today is a meeting in rheinstein, but again, this, but an attempt to support ukraine more uh? serious

weapons in large volumes, but still not crossing the red line, which no one has canceled and has not canceled. please formulate the escalation of a-a confrontation in ukraine into a direct conflict, and russia's armed conflict between russia and nato did you understand this or not, therefore, seriously and the french special forces, the french special forces, which came, which is the party to the conflict, came to conduct a special military operation. see seryozha i just so that you understand you are absolutely correct. i agree with you what you say, they understand here they supply the equipment, but besides the equipment, what did you understand, here they put 100 artillery systems there. this is approximately there is one ammunition load of 8.000. uh ammunition 8.000 ammo.

where is 100 and so on? this is a day or two of non-intensive shooting, but in fact it is huge, it is several echelons that must come to the equipment. they will supply with ammunition. they will have absolute problems. i clearly understand that we will control this and localize it. today they have other problems. they need special forces for moral support, because they came exactly about this, and the modernization of this stage. it’s just that i don’t quite say so. well, i like to talk about some kind of qualitative new stage of confrontation, after all. i think that maybe you don't agree that for me they won't go for it. yes, it won't. no, it's on the sly. here, yes, there, let's just then, after all, just take it and formulate everything that we knew and now it means, uh, before that, without exception, everyone, without exception , repeatedly considered all sorts of verbose as theirs, for a long time

i should stretch the rostrum and be sure to refute be sure to turn the direct participation, so to speak, parts of nato in this conflict. yes, he says, we supply and support ukraine, we believe that tra-ta-ta-ta and so on, but even after that, well, just the fact that we are not directly involved and so on. now, for the first time, in fact, the really confirmed participation of the french special forces of parts of a nato country on the side, so to speak, of one of the participants in this conflict, is this a change in quality or not? well, draw your own conclusions. uh, we have we will continue mounting the discussion experts express your opinion. maybe yury ivanovich podlyak, who is now in direct contact with us, will also tell his opinion on this matter, as he sees, if we have reason to talk about a second qualitatively different stage of the military operation in general, the military confrontation on the territory of ukraine . hello, please, good afternoon. yes let's start with this french special forces, see. how i see this situation. and let's face it . yes, that is, if you stand up, there are indeed some high-ranking officers

nato is to ensure that there is no media effect. this effect is needed. in order to lubricate this, it should become a habit, if we are there for a couple of three weeks, we will talk about what they are working on the territory of ukraine, again without direct contact with russian troops. so far, there is no information that they were in direct contact. yes, uh, french special forces who are carrying out a certain mission and then it will be revealed that there are also some former officers or current officers on the territory of mariupol, the armed forces of the country carried out the same mission, without entering into direct contact a to prove, this would be unrealistic. it will cease to be an information bomb in this way. this can be smeared right away, that is, this trump card that russia planned to play with such information stuffing, well, not stuffing, but, we will voice real information. and all this can be smeared, and what is there, the french british american special forces. this has been known for a long time from the first days of the war, that is, nothing fundamentally new has happened now, period good this is a very good idea. actually look. yes, i just want to emphasize to our viewers once again, that is, we all expect that

someone will crawl out of azov steel so high. and most likely french, judging by the number of calls from the macron, yes to putin, and then look, and here we will already be a week before they crawl out before they are picked out, so to speak, in the public field there will be a discussion of the french special forces, which is doing something in ukraine and when it comes out, really some high-ranking french military. not even eco vedal. we've been talking about this for a week now.

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