and it so happened that she had a trip there, where one more hand was needed, and we really went there together. here i am, yes, i am everything, i saw it all, and most importantly, i saw, firstly, and how much it is really necessary, because she literally literally took these children out of a situation that was fatal for them with her hands. well, that is, conditionally there is a child who has cancer there, he can do something with him, chemistry, and so on. uh something else, if you take him out of there, move a normal hospital. and if he stays there's a chance it is not, that is, it is very clear. yes, this is no e , there is nothing to discuss about, you take, and then you began to expand your activities. she began to distribute leaflets, because children are like children who understand. yes, yes, about mines. incredible injuries of children began there simply, well, since we know this about the history of the great patriotic war as children who played and did not understand. yes, not a toy,

but as a result it ended tragically. that is, as if she found all the time and the scope is ever wider. there, of course, naturally. she found in the field of application, because there were few such persons, to be honest. here and there, and there is a huge need for help. here, ksyusha here. i want to ask you, listen, you explained motivated me. why did you go with her, but still, could you imagine? this is also a force for parents? well, uh, well you don't seem to be with a man who's ready. like this. well, first of all, she started her career. here are business trips online. yeah, that is, i had one like that, but he remained in the distant past, still a son, and i decided to myself that i just won’t do it for a certain reason, because if you are a journalist , but you have to convey your news wars, and from a fairly early age i realized that i was not able to do this, because i also wanted,

of course, to help everyone people around, and these are two mutually exclusive, so to speak, works here, and here. well, you just know, here's the situation, it 's starting to take shape somehow. she just then she rolls like a coma and you just participate in it, and that’s what happened with lisa then, because a i heard her story in this interview, how she goes there, what she does there, and i realized that i can’t help but do it. now i will tell you. and what about this story of hers? in a sense, in the reality in which i wish, which was around us in general, it was generally something of the most important thing, yeah. so i realized that her compassion is hers , really. i don’t know what kind of force surrounding all the obstacles that dragged her to the most terrible places of this world and gave her the opportunity to help pull her out. and here to do those who've been in need, that this is the most important thing. what i generally see here and now, i have

isolated. eh, really this, but some kind of absolute distilled kindness and an amazing thing, but also not a surprising thing, when this tragedy happened or petrovna didn’t become for, then there is a huge amount. people e uttered the words the word holy that is, what about in life did n’t take risks and it seemed like it? well, somehow it 's too much here. it's somehow crystallized that this is it. well, i guess that's what these people look like. they are probably really like that, when we say holy holy, it seems to us that it is someone in the sky, some kind of white clothes, i don’t know, it goes there and

somehow magically everyone around becomes happy, recovers and so on. well , of course, if we talk about the fox, from my point of view, what was not the most important thing. just imagine. yes, that's how the world works. so we all don't have enough resources. here is no yes on everything is not enough. i don't know, there's enough heat on me for not enough money. well, all that we are forced, we are rarely born, who is born in this prosperous environment with the golden best in the mouth, when everything is there. uh, as a rule, you have to go there and that's it. here's something in life snatches. here, grab all of us is very developed. the grasping reflex is enough to drag to itself, but to rake in oneself and this is normal. little is not always enough for us, because a person is so arranged and a person is really changed into a world where it is absolutely necessary, because resources are absolutely identifiable. but lisa was arranged in exactly the opposite way.

she gave everything. she had that instead of grabbing. it was built into her to give, and she gave everything. with the same naturalness and the same joy as the other person receives, that is, she simply had it . in this, she was somehow fundamentally arranged in her own way. and i really did n’t see such a device anywhere else, because there was such naturalness and joyfulness in it. here, in this process in the sense that a living person. you are contradicting now. well, only to the fact that we imagine the saints as such great distilled people who are devoid of any vices at all, and they just waved their hand right there. well, the holy is not equal to the fairies is not equal to the wizard is not equal. e. well, with this fabulous performance, so to speak. i think i have not seen saints. i heard about them. i've read about them and so on, but it's hard to compare a really living person with this, but let's put it this way. here is the basic difference between lisa and almost all other people. i knew

yes it was. here is some completely special device to give everything and rejoice it was very difficult for her to give everything away, if we tell her to buy some new fur coat or something like that, in a week or two some acquaintance will come to her in the same coat, because she promised. yes, yes, yes, your clothes were also leaving. just come on, and she supports, and she was proud that her homeless people are all sorts of the most chic. but, for example, elizaveta petrovna used to say the following thing to herself. i'm pretty tough in general, i know how

to say no, and whether i'm compassionate or not, but, probably, you shouldn't ask me. that is it here, too, here is such an attempt, you know, a stroke to the portrait. that is, indeed. yes on the one hand, it's tough to give everything that is and literally the last shirt on the other hand, but in relation to what? ah, but you know, in order to help, you need not cry, but you need to do, and act tough, act clearly, here, but only then can you help? uh-huh because, if you really see such troubles and circumstances that you are simply immersed there in stress-depression in tears. and it's natural human reaction. this reaction must be overcome. if you really want to do something for people, because that's what it is . stress management. it, of course, requires this enormous internal strength, and it was also rigidity in it. she, too, was here, and how indeed, she is there these officials. she just

built them naturally. so you went there you do. it could call. this is not a metaphor. literally. yes, people told at 3:00 at night. i have such and such children there, they need such and such, get up and do i met her in 2009. i then had a pretty good career. i worked in the federation council and, in general, uh, fate brought petrovna to tears, she once came to the federation council there we met and met petrovna in the evening at 5:30 in the morning. i got a call from her from a woman i knew 10 minutes later a call from her on the phone. in which she told me in a commanding tone, natasha, at the door of my office, there is a homeless man who is not taking him to the hospital in an ambulance. natasha do something and i fell in love with her. well, it was love at first sight. i realized that this is my person. this is how it should work. she loved a man if he was unhappy, she loved a man if he needed help, if he was poor, she could not get past

someone else's misfortune, and i even now know, uh, in part. why was she so her mother told me her, the relatives of dr. liza, that petrovna licks her mother. and walking somehow with little liza down the street, she gave mercy to one citizen who was not sober and dirty, and he, in general, here petrovna also spoke obscenely. well, little one, lisa asked, mother. why are you helping him? look how ugly he is, and she said, lisa, i help him, because besides me. no one will help you anyone here who works will say we got to know lisa we met liza and found out what she does loved her loved her work loved her wards and stayed here anyone will tell you so everyone came here through elizaveta petrovna glinka through the doctor lisa, she had the gift of persuasion. i realized that her compassion

it's really. i don’t know what kind of force surrounding all the obstacles that dragged her to the most terrible places of this world and gave her the opportunity to help pull out those who were in need, that this is something the most important thing that i generally see here and now she knew how to be tough in order to help you need not to cry. and you need to do it. and to act tough , to act clearly. here, but only then you can help dr. lisa was called saint, she gave everything. she had it instead of grabbing it it was arranged to give, and she gave everything with the same naturalness and with the same joy, as another person receives the right to life dr. liza can it be said that elizaveta petrovna had , for example, the same human

quality, because she could hate? could she hate someone no death, she hated. i have a feeling that she somehow could struggle with this reality, with which, well, we are somehow trying to try on, well, yes. well , death has something to do, but it seems to be here uh, didn't want to agree with that. in this sense, she was such a don quixote, of course, standing. that is, she is these windmills. tried to win. they were not, like death, in any way not fit into her system, but in her worldview, despite the fact that she was orthodox, she was christian, indeed, believers deeply, but death was always isolated from this, and she never could formulate her own attitude to it, because she speaks from one side. it is clear that there in the christian concept. what is death, but

the other side. i still hate her. i do not accept her, because she leaves the other person destroys, she destroys everything. e from her point of view. yes, she destroys happiness, she leaves ruins and losses, and that's where lisa stopped. so she couldn't move on. here's to the idea there on sunday that once knew it was separate, but it was somehow dogmatic for her. but this is death here now, which was played out with her participation in her arms. that's what she couldn't do at all. come to terms with ruthlessness. this is the arrangement of the world. she didn't understand him. she was a person so compassionate that she did not understand god's lack of compassion, but if you already did this to us , then why do you need it ? i just hated the guards, because here it’s not just god

here, but these same people here. we must protect each other from our point of view and in general, some make our own more tolerable, and so, in general, quite difficult in this world stay. instead, they go and for some reason cause death to each other, cause this death she hates. and these were her enemies. here is death, the enemy, the war is the enemy, and she really is such a small house. she walked and tried, uh, to win these things somehow. in each case, you are with this kindness of yours, because she could not reconcile with them. she couldn't build a concept. they didn't fit in at all. you had to go there. uh, somehow try to reconcile this unbearable. e the death of your conversations was. this is our tragic human fate and death. we can't win we can. then what can be left is pity comes

what you call compassion because it binds us to each other it makes us more than, uh, an individual. and you know, there is, indeed, a phrase on duty there, that love can do anything and conquers everything, and in the case of lisa, who was asked why i went there? and i went. eh, here's what to explore. is it true that either everything conquers, and love is everything wins. what are you all about love? and how does she win? and so lisa lived in her, she herself was. eh, here are the ideas of this love and indeed. if there is something here that can somehow resist death. it 's really love, and that's what it's worth. e. eh, christianity, but you are the testament and so on. and so

lisa herself, without realizing it, she simply was the spokesman for this idea, which every day here we habitually just pronounce the words it's like this yes. here is the rustle there and the words, and she she did it with her hands absolutely every day, so she could be cruel too. eh, and not the cruelty of you tough, but she did not have it. always, on the contrary, she was always repelled by sentimentality, some kind of tears, some mere fluffs prevent her from helping, because you spin the wheels, they pay, and because it ’s all the same sentimentality. it's a fake. e feelings they real feelings in france that sentimentality, when and you pity the kitten more than he pities, lord god, when you love yourself in this feeling, right? yes, yes, how warm bathroom, yes yes. good, yes, she had it

so again somehow, of course, everything is arranged. that's why she doesn't have these very kind of exaltations and self-digging in this sense. and in general they were not needed, that is, she had. yes, she is a topic, which, if i understand you, you developed how she became like this, but really she didn’t become like that, she just was like that. maybe that's why they want to rank her and there is talk about canonizing her as a saint, but, but this is an area that is not very clear to me, but what she was such her nature. this i have absolutely no doubt. this is not development. it's not some kind of influence, it's all hmm like that. that is, this person did not build himself. he didn't shrink himself. he does not say so, yes, quality, how is it? there

are very religious people there. he didn't improve himself. he was like that and for him it would be like that for her. quite natural. i want to come here, now to the topic. mm, quite painful and defiantly many questions. this series seems to be well, what is there, lord, but there, as it were, well, here is a military base on ours. why why did she suddenly need to go there, but the whole system would have come the same, she saw that you had a temperature. she would treat you, she got there, in my opinion, yes, with the hrc delegation for the first time she saw that they were coming. yes, respectively, there are no medicines, but there are no children, doctors, but they lie, and the children, accordingly, there is nothing to treat them with doctors, by the way, the situation is different. there were doctors there, but since syria is estimated, and now

yes, in particular, and on medical preparations. there no. there is simply no cure for it. and what does liza do? she sees that there is a problem, which means that she needs to be taken out somehow, no one needs to be brought in. so you need to bring cargo cargo. it is necessary to bring urgently medicines, a cargo is bought, and eliza asks, respectively, a set for some kind of next series. he was the nearest boarder, your question is very appropriate, for example, and that e friend who first met ksenia with elizabeth wrote literally. a day or two before her last flight. just don't go to syria please, in general it was all somewhere with this. flying it was all a very strange story when it hit, she really never flew alone this time she flew alone. she never missed a saturday like a sunday. uh. yes, she is our mutual friend who

introduced us. he wrote in a few days, then, in my opinion, or with a prize, he congratulated her. she waited several days before she received the state award, and he wrote to me, only they didn’t leave for syria . that is, we will now see how he remembers. that's just this situation with getting prizes and uh, and in general el-pamfilova and then we will continue the past, we made friends , you know how it happens on the road. she and i rode the train together. to kharkiv , these tragic events in the east of ukraine have already begun, and i helped her carry sick children and those with injuries? suddenly we found ourselves sometimes exchanging gifts. by the way, just on this trip to kharkov, i say, if anything, such a

suitcase is at his place. you travel often. i say, come on, i'll give you. good suitcase. well, what are these give women who are constantly on such difficult trips, and for a long time i was looking for a suitcase, which i now understand that it was conveniently small in size, light, light, comfortable, durable, and that’s it. she gave me some trinkets. i rushed around with this suitcase and gave it to her, i say, always take it on a trip. take it always on a trip, you will drop them. you know, before this trip to syria, i was. i was invited, i was in the kremlin just there for an award or because of that she was amazing then. it looked amazing some such collected was, that's beautiful. calm, it feels like she's already everything, she knows everything about this life. and after the official

end of this whole ceremony. you know, as it happens, the presidents bring champagne there, everyone tries to approach such a situation. she was sitting in the front row. i sat in the front row. i approached her . she's standing so small and modest. there, on the sidelines, everyone pushed her aside. i say, if she puts something like that, there is even a vocal of champagne, well, it’s not impossible to bring it to them to stand so modest eh, and prezen just pines. here he is suddenly, you know, too, here, intuition and it ’s just obvious that he wants to talk to her, and i’m like that. as if i’m bringing in from this crowd and he says petrovna licks well, you’re like that well, when she’s going to syria, but i beg you. be careful, do you understand this is serious? it 's dangerous. be careful, that is, here he

speaks to her with such anxiety, she stands nodding like that. i say, if than you even now i can’t remember it . that was our last meeting. lisa she is unique. as long as we exist, as long as we have our memory, as long as we are alive, i think i will show you all those who knew her. she will live in the memory of gratitude to all these all all the kids all the children of their parents whom she helped. well, history does not know the subjunctive mood, but look, and now, suddenly yours wrote, do not go, to the series and somehow. well, that's all the circumstances, it would seem that they should have prompted that well, it's not worth it, it's not worth it. what is it from your point of view this person feels his destiny and does not resist it or something i can only say that if she decided that

you would become impossible. she wanted to go there, she went. what did she feel behind it? i don't know, she even mentioned that it might happen in her speech. e under the president trust me. i know what i'm talking about, that is, the desire to help is stronger fear for oneself. she knows that this path has long been chosen or he chose her. so she just walked along it and didn’t ask questions, there is a road that you choose six from her then i just can’t turn off. just you walk, they keep walking like this, she walked and saw people on her way who she could help, and even so she saw them in power. she understood what it was, and the next step, and which she could not help but do, indeed, there were a lot of strange

moments with this trip and unusually so on. maybe there. much to say here, but it was impossible to stop her. i thought about it a lot and tried to somehow understand in hindsight, was there anything that i could do to keep her out there, don’t let her in here, and in general, i don’t know, there some oligarchs agreed that they would transfer i don’t know 100 million dollars to some hospitals in exchange for the fact that she simply never went anywhere. here, but i think that even this would not help, she would not give such a thing, i tried everything, so to speak, methods of influence. and when it was possible to do it and thought a lot. hmm that was her path, she passed it. dr. lisa was compassionate. she absolutely could not come to terms with the ruthlessness of this

world order. she didn't understand him. she was a person so compassionate that she did not understand god's lack of compassion, but if you've already done us this way, then why do you think she believed that love conquers everything. if there is something here that is capable of? somehow resist death. this is really love. she always did what she thought needed to be done, it became impossible. she wanted to go there right to life dr. lisa you know, i will say such a sharp thing, maybe, because of the occasion. departure of people, it may not be customary to talk like this, but nevertheless less. today we often talked about the fact that in the life of elizabeth petrovna there are some kind of metaphors, i would say. uh, i thought her when

it happened, when she was gone. i thought that if there was some plan of god, this is the incredible pain that occurred, you know, when a person, but leaves so suddenly. and now the resonance of this pain is so huge, so bright and how significant that in some sense it is also metal? that's it, this life was supposed to be like this. a point of such power to impress everyone. who knew her everyone knew her, and that's how it works. well, not everyone knew her, of course, but many knew her. i would like as many more people as possible to know that there was such a lisa and that such a lisa is possible, so it’s unlikely that anyone wanted to correct you and say that in general about what, yes, such a

possibility there is such a person, he exists, and it seems to me that and if there were more such people in the world, and even more so, if the world consisted mainly of them, then everything would be good here and there would be a shortage of resources. may be we how did you get over it. that's because, of course, i am absolutely convinced that such a person should be. this is the very similarity emissions that you need, this is approximately the same. well, the resonance, of course, went through a huge one for me, it went through, probably, so to speak, in the most direct way, because it changed all my plans and will change my life. here i am stronger for you, what to add to this, i'm still waiting for her to return.

sorry i know the walls, i don't know mercy houses or foundations cut through evenly decorated with butterflies. this is such an image of souls. who comes to this earth and leaves. who for one day who for longer? this image was invented by people who have been there, why exactly butterflies have become this symbol. still, this soul especially marries. here's the body it just was. hmm, very lucky. i think. uh, such a symbol is very traditional for a hospice. such a joyful one comes

out of the worm. this wonderful creature is somewhere melting away somewhere not written. petrovna was originally an image of a hospice brought in from somewhere. and it was a tie. it's similar to this. this was an idea of ​​advice often enough used for charity, because indeed it is a symbol of the human soul. i want to thank you both for today, so my gratitude is especially, but i think it was because that's the more people. it seems to me that oni knows in its most diverse qualities, which we were able to recognize, thanks to both of you today. so much the better on earth. why do i feel so

thank you very much. i would like to give a gift from our program not to you personally. oh. this is our gift, and giving thanks to you successfully is already a difficult field and stronger. thank you very much . thanks, hold on. thank you. now he is a successful photographer, a professional skier and a happy person, but everything could have turned out quite differently 8 years ago, life subjected him to a difficult test, while climbing elbrus he stumbled.