here, uh, this is the first moment the second moment i met uh, position in conversations. here, they say, there are radicals everywhere with us, they say, too, there are radicals. yes indeed. we have various radical minded personalities. i'm not even talking about groupings anymore, because, well, there are practically none left. that is, they were overcome, and the attitude towards them. appropriate. eh, that's a different story. well , we can see how, uh, torchlight processions really take place. this story is encouraged, that is, it is still forbidden permission. it it's still a different level. yes, that is, it is a level in the truest sense of the word. state support is an ideological component. let's talk about state support for ukraine, they adopted a target program for the state target program for national patriotic education of children, and for the period up to 2025. that's what they teach worse just we can see. e, this document was approved by the order of the cabinet of ministers of ukraine dated october 9, 2020, the concept of the state target social program of the nation. patriotic education for the period up to 25

of the year 2025 and here it is the law itself of december 17, 2019, what is written here about the recognition of the plast movement and the features of state support for the plast scout movement the mission of the plast scout movement is to educate the children of youth based on value systems reflected in the plast oath scout promise plast you and scout laws aimed at making the world a better place, in which people realize themselves as individuals and play a constructive role in society. what is the formation movement is scouts and tyrvans, who came from the kazakh training, we even have e, well, for installation. well, roughly speaking, the special forces of the xix century, the southern cossack army. in ukraine, the scouts of the nazi movement for training youth in the style of igil can be put on par, in principle, the roots can be traced. yes, more than ukrainians decided to turn it. the same milestone on

hitler's principle give me a new generation. i will turn the whole world. let's just. uh, let's see how this new generation was brought up, learn from a man who has already given an interview in the liberated, finally mariopol. azov ran very somehow. well, cunningly, that is, there are several people in civilian clothes, that is, jeans, but also armor. this is how it is hidden under the jacket, and with machine guns. well, there is an rpg. is this or how is it a grenade launcher? he roamed around the yards like that, then he began to drink new ones. children, it means that one azovian is running after him . several children with machine guns. and there you saw such a funny picture, two suckers of this jw, how did they not overstrain with him incomprehensibly then, well let's say i'm sitting here thinking, but our jelly was not. no it's us around us was now i'll tell who it is 8 years old. eh where we'll make up, well, the orphanage, this is already

clear. and they also set fire to the houses. well, they do not need a house with people, as well as on the other hand , in order for the children to fight, they set fire to houses. yes, look, here, we do not see. here we are sitting with a window on the first floor. here are the children running, well 18 16. corps we don’t know, their corps is black, here are the costumes terrible things the pilgrim children's camp, as it was called, the azov people were assigned there, who oversaw it all. well, they certainly introduced a certain consciousness, which is already probably embedded in these kids in these teenagers. now we have the same person in touch. let's ask him even more questions alex and olga hello. tell us, please, you are one of the first people who gave an interview on the topic of what happened in the

pilgrim camp. let's talk a little more about this, what is peregrym in general. this is an orphanage. he has always had a bad reputation for his way out. they mostly dealt in drugs. well, mostly criminals local from what moment supervises them? azov, the fourteenth year, that is, the fourteenth year, this is already the month of june. uh, the fourteenth year, when mariupol was allegedly liberated from the dpr, then they began to attract. that is, the power to dig trenches and collect dugouts, let's say for dirty work. here, uh, you said in an interview that children wore javelins, how is it in general, perhaps, in our house you went out to cook to eat and saw just this funny sight, like two children. well, offhand , 14 years, well, 16 no more dragged, this tool is a lot of them was at all. yes, i was not interested, they would often be met. i'm only asking about this, because the exact data. in addition to the pilgrim, there was still a

molodezhka to what extent schoolchildren were taken as students. for these 8 years, it was fashionable to join there, because it was possible to study for free. money status is highly encouraged. this is such a deep question for you. here are the children, who, respectively, were preparing for e remake not only to say youth to stu. this schoolchildren are somehow now on the streets of mariupol you see them, they share somewhere. they left along with the advancing units, or they really left. but they took part in some kind of hostilities. maybe you have seen or heard about other residents. here are these kids, we have non-stop, around the clock. until 18:00 there were skirmishes, they ran between the houses, they set fire to the houses. until march 18 , we were near the third city hospital in

the city center; nothing worked out to go out into the street . we had headquarters in our house. they occupied all the entrances. we ran from the first entrance to the fifth. a sniper was sitting non-stop in the fourth entrance , their commander was constantly firing from our house with a mortar, they were running around, between our houses these shots were shooting in all directions. here they deliberately provoked it ended with the fact that there was no fear at home. events in the end, how did you manage to evacuate? what day did this happen? uh, march 18th. we ran away after our house burned down to our sister in the center of the city, we stayed there until the guys in the tomsk cossacks came for us, difficult moments that you had to endure. we we wish you to return to peaceful life as soon as possible. good luck to you all the best. thank you let's see one of the plots of the nbc channel, which was filmed in 2017 and this part of

the documentary. i'm watching a documentary that you made for us in ukraine right now, we see children here in the camp, singing around the campfire and all that. right. yes, for children near kiev, which is run by a military battalion in ukraine, there are many summer camps, but this one differs from the rest in its extremist orientation. this girl children spend a week in the camp. there they learn patriotic songs, receive combat training in handling weapons, participate in combat reenactments, and half of the children you see in this film are directly related to the battalion. azov what kind of battalion azov azov is a notorious ukrainian battalion after the annexation of crimea , the official ukrainian army did not have enough soldiers to fight, so civilians formed many of their own volunteer battalions, one of which shortly after in november 2014

year was introduced into the official national guard. so now he knows the legal status, what do they mean by nationalism to ukraine, how do they identify the nationalists of ukraine in the first place, they should not be russian, because for the last 100 years russia has been pressing and gaining on their borders. which such people defend the ukrainian identity that they had and still have they do not support russia and the russian ideology, and at the same time do not want to join the very liberal western europe impression people approve or disapprove. these camps azov camps in particular are not too approved and the relationship depends on who you talk to, the ukrainian public is grateful to them for the work they did in 2014 to save part of eastern ukraine can it be argued that these camps are stoking fear? or they offer a solution, in fact, it is difficult to

say, if the children did not go to these camps, they would not have such a deep understanding of ukrainian history. this film was shown in the usa it’s just a dialogue, for personnel it’s a dialogue between the editor and the author of these shootings, we told american journalists spike johnson, who just went to ukraine at that time in order to film the material. you have comments. i see, yes, alexander comments are simple, that a teenager has a state of mind, but borderline with extreme, because it is associated with a certain age with hormones that are crushing incredible desire to acquire in some kind of society. yes part of becoming part of this society, and than socially. this resulted in a cult of death. naturally, the cult of weapons, that is, we understand everything and what is much worse are the images perceived at this age. they print their psyche, tightly. so it's not easy to take blood. you can’t tie a seven-year-old with blood, you teach him and you insert his psyche, certain complexes,

certain morals are laid down morally, i say things that are really scary, because the child does not have a normative perception of the world. he does not see norma, that is, everything that he sees is the norm. if he sees something that he can cut off his head throw it in the trash, that's the norm. and in the future, it's like, well, a time bomb can explode in his life at any second , an illusion that is next to this person. they never really know what's going to work, so it's actually a terribly hard process, which is why they did a terrible job. er, with our future comment, of course. yes. i would like to add already. well, not so much on video. how much do you need to add here alexander's words about social networks, because today you can treat the internet differently to social networks, but it is important to understand that this is, in general, part of the process of the socialization of the child, that is, well, this is where he gets information from? where does he get behavioral patterns from, and in this regard

, you need to understand that in addition to such direct training, tactical training. there is more information in the regional ukrainian segment of social networks. and the child , in fact, that is, well, he spends there, there is a conditional 3-week shift in the camp. yes, but the preparation doesn't end there. ideological preparation continues permanently. that is, uh, going to the feed in the social network in the morning in any one. yes, he will most likely see the relevant information. let's now connect to our conversation, and since the labyttle of the vaincore and the volunteer from the usa, let's just talk about nazism in ukraine and is there any work being done on this in the usa hello thank you so much for joining us today. tell me, please, what do you know about nazism , fascism in ukraine, yes, it originated in ukraine was created, er, about 100 years ago, a practical

scientific application of brainwashing. indeed it is very dangerous. and this is especially dangerous in relation to children, a sharp struggle is an information war task. it was placed in front of them. how to achieve such efficiency. now you are in the donetsk people's republic in uh, self-american. why did you volunteer? why are you leading this fight for donetsk in december 2014, and i joined the defense forces of the forces defending the donetsk people's republic local special forces and also the people's militia. i was born in texas but i always

opposed the fascist us government. my grandfather fought in world war ii against the german fascists, and i continue to do so. i am very proud of this. and i am glad that vladimir putin and the russian troops launched this special military operation. journalists, and we fighters are trying to do it today, perhaps all the best to you, and good luck. i hope to get in touch with you again. now let's move on to the next one fake. and this is what this picture of february 24 looks like, a beautiful, courageous ukrainian girl. i believe that many people will bless you to survive, by the way, a girl with a machine gun. yes look uh. i think it spread somewhere in china. have you seen this fake, judging by the

alphabet? yes, i saw this fake and i know that it is really used by another. graphic zone girl is not ukrainian. let's see, firstly, the refutation of this fake. where did this photo actually come from? a girl in a bus with a machine gun shows life in ukraine now, but the assessment is not true in the picture russian blogger ekaterina gladkikh, uh, holds a model of a machine gun after a photo shoot, the picture was taken in march of the twentieth year, the image of a girl with a machine gun is an old meme. well, i just sat next to it all the way, i really liked it, but it was scary to say. hello again, beauty. in fact , there are really messages with humor, because when a girl drives with a machine gun, even if it looks like a machine gun, then, uh, it can be scary say hello. it's uh, exactly. i just wanted to pay attention. i would, honestly, i would go into the account. uh, who posted the messages. there's a possibility. what could it be? well, i don't really like the word bot. uh, no technical

account, because, well, generally speaking, uh, given that orientation. naturally, a foreign user is gaining more hashtags there. this often makes it easier to trigger the natural distribution of the post to the audience. yes, i decided to assume that, most likely, there would be hashtags, both in chinese and and in english. yes, those snouts. add a very small touch, yes, the news is written in chinese, the author's name is sheng sque, but for some reason, the canadian flag now appears next to the chinese name at a higher magnification. i was able to discern a very interesting habitat, which means their authors. and i will add that the machine. uh, it's really hard to keep a dummy that way. unless she's a very highly developed girl with such a visa in such an unstable mail. she sits like that, probably weighs little, like mumbling about this. and it would be difficult to maintain, for sure. right now, let's try to contact her in order to find out how she herself relates to this. ekaterina gladkikh is just the same girl. e with an automatic.

hello katya, please tell us about yourself, where do you live, firstly, geographical location, and i. is this your boyfriend? yes, he took a picture of me. thank you so much for reaching out to us today

. we will hope that any distribution of further photos of you on the network will be exclusively positive and will somehow have a positive effect on you. all the very best to you by all means. good luck. goodbye comments. give comments on what we have seen, we have already repeatedly told viewers on this program and in other episodes about how important it is to check primary sources, it is clear that any crisis situation. any problematic situation, a war, a military special operation, brings to the surface a huge number of some kind of crooks yes, crooks who, with an incomprehensible biography, which occupy incomprehensible posts. all of them are mostly advisors. offices, or advisers to someone's adviser so, here. once again i want to tell everyone who sees these videos to everyone who watches these videos. there is already just some kind of stigma, there is a certain number of people whom classic told about. they have already mowed down from the endless lies. here is the one we see. here we are first thing in this video. we look at the

first source. and we can just stop watching the video all the comments that are written on them may not be read. this person is the source. this is where his media is on which there is a specific stigma. liar, new fakes. new exposure immediately after the advertisement save our souls sos signals of your immunity caviar overseas, eggplant secrets of a wonderful game feeling of motherhood, is it given to everyone answers to all questions in the program live healthy today on first even if the damaged liver is worried, it is better to take care of it in time two active components , were able to help reduce inflammation and restore cells liver. look into liver care with a vengeance

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and disinformation today in our studio dmitry sidorin is a specialist in working with large timur shafer secretary of the union of journalists of russia alexander rakhmonov military expert let's talk about emotional fakes that use children. let's take a look at those photos that have recently begun to spread over the network. and you and him where did these photos come from? there are some heartbreaking pics, just take a look at the baby pics we have here. i'd like to start with the pic of the smallest boy. uh, dmitri , did you know where this exactly came from? the picture was not checked, but there is a suspicion that this is not ukraine precisely because of the suspicion. we are trying to figure out what is really happening on the frames, but this is practically ukraine let's see where this frame is taken from. how many

good friends they have. at an unfamiliar village. at a nameless height 2017, uh, this video is taken from a music video about the children of donbass and is called a song about the children of donbass. now i want to connect alexei smirnov to our conversation a. angel battalion commanders. hey alex hello we are happy to see you as always. e. please tell us the story of this frame and this music video in general. well, first of all, there is. two sides of the medal heating child from bomboberg on shakhtyrsky were children and we wanted to make some kind of artistic statement on this score and we filmed an art video for the song at an unnamed height u it was about uh, the edge of the

debaltsevo cauldron. and this, the village of nikishino, is really a broken village. and at that time we were looking for children and the wounded there and saved and in general were doing the same thing as now, therefore this clip is such an artistic statement of mine, as a director, it was what it really was. true, this is a boy from donbass, this is a boy, uh, from a bomb shelter. we would be. well, how we would like to show some credibility. e of what is happening here and on the frames captured. uh, members of the angel group who were involved in saving people, here is a boy and a girl. this is brother sister. please tell us what the angela battalion is doing, what kind of struggle and activities you are conducting, but well, first of all it's our turn to fight for human lives all this time all these 8 years. well, that is, the very statement we are in accusatory order, we hear our address. it is you who have now destroyed our cities, and now you are distributing bread. this is completely at the wrong address, because when ukraine bombed the cities of donbass and

and near the luhansk people's republic of the donetsk people's republic, i understand where the shells were coming from. all this time we helped, uh, ukrainians in the first place, because at that time, for the most part, ukrainians lived there and we saved. and now, during the specification, we are engaged in even. we try to do the same without politics. this is, well, in general, we try to help where the civilian population suffers. here you are trying without politics, but nevertheless, you are being used in certain political games. uh, how often do you fall under the scope of the ukrainian side in information. field, well, first of all, we occupy a separate line in the center of special operations. for them, we are propagandists. although in general. eh, if we were propagandists, we would post at least some of those videos that could be correlated with

well-known fascists, nitrogens and so on, of course , we would hate it even more. than it does ours in the comments. well, in general, of course, they are fighting with us. although why do they need this fight. we are the only one, really. now the source of information for the same ukrainian propagandists who take our videos without water marks is using their own purposes, therefore. i really don't want to be in politics, but uh it's hard uh about it to say, when you are saving these people with a bulletproof vest, of course, it is difficult to get rid of some political side, but we are proud that we are russians. we are proud that we are saving civilians, and this is the whole point of our a-a project, but i think there is simply nothing to add here, just thank you once again for this serious difficult work that you are

doing. good luck to you. let's take a look at the next photo and find out its fate. this was distributed over the network, but here i immediately want to say that this is not at all similar to the ukrainian events, not to ukrainian children. yes , uh, for sure, some considerations come to your mind, you can now express palestine, syria and cancer, unambiguously three points that are at once. i think they float in my head. for everyone who looks at this photograph, and because of the events that take place there, and because of the appearance of these children, the photograph is indeed genuine, because here you can see the emotions and the fear that they experience. uh, in this picture on alexander i just to the fact that everything here is really everything even from the sun, because e can be given to your comment, but it is very clearly visible, when the middle east, the sun. it is in the photographs, well, it looks a little different at some point. there crimea can be confused with something else. well, this is also

considered a fold of walls with use. in the series, even with this pedestal, which is the oldest wall, it is even clear that this is not central asia and not and not much of this middle east, it can, indeed, be syria naturally. iraq is already there to say more than the continent and for the children. naturally, everything is also absolutely visible. here, with the naked eye , it is reliably clear that this was filmed during either artillery, shelling or air on this. hmm, i’ll just add what we can see, and in the west, in europe, in the states and small india in china, this is absolutely perceived as true. again, this is content not oriented to us and not to ukraine , this is content oriented to the west. and for them, this is quite a ukraine quite a ukrainian, but here in the photograph is a twelve-year-old boy, his father and just the boy died, er, back in 2000, and they are hiding behind a wall during a shootout between israeli military and police militants.

let's see the next frame and the next shot. it is clear that here is a girl who has nothing to do with modern events? yes, which we are now analyzing. but what is depicted here to meet, whether you have come across this frame specifically, the history of this frame, i will not say i know that it is from the past. that is, it is not an event. now i'll hmm also point out the fact that every day we find somewhere around 2.000 unique pictures, which are distributed in connection with a special operation with events. we check them. which were which were not quite simple services about 30% of the pictures, we find that they belong to another time era or another state. somewhere else 30% of the pictures fall under detailed consideration. it really sits analytics only with their eyes. can match this frame. er, where from? really from what situation and really about

only 30%, uh, content? accompanied by photographs or video sequences that correspond to what it says, therefore, we see such pictures, you understand, these are hundreds every day, but timur, to our great regret, we all have already accumulated enough rich experience in order to make assumptions. and well, that's exactly right. that is, the first association. it was, uh, an association with syria, and moreover, the association, unfortunately, not necessarily with the fact that this is a wounded child, but with a possible staging again. this is the middle east but yes, this series is home and then in 2015. eh, just think about it the photo was included in the list of the most striking reportage photographs of the fifty-eighth annual competition, and world photography. that is, this is a very famous picture, which also flew around all the publications. let's

watch the next fake and analyze it, it also causes a lot of emotions, because, well, there are quite serious events there. shown is how it's signed. these fleeing people are not from afghanistan or syria, they are fleeing in panic to take cover in a bunker and survive a possible russian missile or nuclear attack on ukraine, this appeared all these february 24, 22 years. that is, not so long ago, you recognized timur in the video. i am a football fan. i follow very carefully , first of all, our domestic championship, as well as the games of our teams, it doesn't matter. this is spartak promotions to look for zenith abroad. and this frame. i don't think i'm the only one who knows this very well. and this is not kiev at all , this is a wonderful italian city of rome and this incident on correspondingly, the subway escalators. and why are they good? we remember this, because this is before the cska match roma uh-huh uh, 2018 there was something like that on the twenty-third of october.