made russian and international relations with the east maintaining the form of globalization of international cooperation that we need we are not going to go into any isolation. we are pursuing an active foreign policy not in order to squander internal resources on it. but just the opposite, in order to increase opportunities for internal development, therefore, for me, victory is in independent independence. uh, well, not only because it's really about a winning strategy for those countries that belong to the free world, the world free from american hegemony. and it's a big world. and this world has very great opportunities, and it certainly cannot and will not allow any military superiority on the part of nato, you know, for me. first of all, i'm, uh, trying so hard, but i can't figure out what it's like to inflict a strategic defeat on russia. this is a bit of a mystery for me. as for victory, uh, i think that i fully agree that

we need to prove our independence. us we need to survive economically, we need to revive. uh, those, uh, branches of our industry that were purposefully ditched in the early nineties . and with the help of the west, we need to, uh, demonstrate it. what does biden say, what do they say to the american that we are now carrying out these sanctions against the russian military-industrial complex, and they will no longer be able to produce, not so to speak, some promising models. but even what they are now producing. they will no longer be able to produce. by the way, uh, according to calculations we have pentagon calibers, daggers should have ended a long time ago, but for some reason they do not end. i think here, if we talk about that notorious mobilization there, then some elements of the mobilization of industry, especially in industries that produce rockets. artillery armament they have a place to be and

we prove it. uh, that we can have this economic independence in maintaining the combat readiness of our armed forces, equipping our armed forces with modern weapons and models of military equipment. this will be our strategic victory and by the way, i get the impression that they already understand that there will be no strategic defeat. therefore, we are all talking, what do you need, uh, well, actually steal our reserves, what, well, at least grab something, at least steal something, so to speak. see we know they love the chess model. yes, the same thing, the brzezin russophists said that here is the great hatting board, take away ukraine, russia and everything and so on. but we know who plays chess, that politics is not chess, politics can be played with chess just call him a maniac. or someone who has never played any, because in the endgame at the end

of the game everyone dies. this is not politics. when you sacrifice everyone, right? so we will either play chapaev with them now. well, that's our way. uh, and as far as strategy is concerned, the goal of any strategy is to achieve excellence in those, uh, certain areas that are able to compensate for shortcomings in all others. yes, now, if we now understand, why does the rest of the world need russia, why does russia need itself, what are our national interests? how do we will we defend? how will we build our future? this is going to be a strategy to win. uh-huh , there was such a strategy, three days. yes, apparently, we will have a strategy of several p of several those same victories, uh, that really need to be kept. uh, the first victory is a victory. eh, if you like, over yourself such a nationalization of yourself return to yourself, as a civilization self-sufficient civilization. then this is what has already been partly discussed with colleagues of no occurrence. it doesn't matter, west

or east, it doesn't matter at all. the third is the fact that we must set our own agenda and the agenda for this should first of all be set for the non-west because it was noted that the world is much larger than these very countries of today's west and then a setting this agenda. to them we must form a set of methods and approaches. how do we ask this? oh, and then definitely victory will be ours. um, because if we have a strategy, a set of methods, then everything is fine. e. must clearly define its common national strategy in the national interest, both conscious needs and values ​​and broadcast them to the worlds. including, maybe i use, but methods of working with various social and class subjects. they are only with the elite of various states. uh, indeed, if there is a strategy on their part, inflicting a

strategic defeat on us. we must have a strategy for victory and it must be comprehensive, we must look at victory and to do this, we really need to deprive, uh, western countries of the opportunity to live primarily by robbery, than by than the west has lived for centuries, if it is a millennium, uh, and we have already taken very important steps in this direction and important steps are making china and other countries less sovereign, but nevertheless, the opportunities for robbery are clearly decreasing. we must have a strategy. eh, military. well, for sure, qualitative superiority, we cannot fight quantitatively. yes, with the western powers armaments yes, military spending. well, qualitatively, we are already surpassing them and must surpass them together with our partners. allies we must provide an absolute guarantee of

their own security and this will be a strategy for victory, because ours is a just cause and victory will certainly be ours. all the best, see you tomorrow. take care of yourself. we saw the video, now i'm asking this question with a special meaning: t-34 tanks from the great patriotic war, allegedly removed from the pedestals to be sent to ukraine, as well as a brave girl who rides a bus with a machine gun. which of these is

true. and what is a lie, will we understand the program today? this is an anti-fake program, here we are their fight against fakes and misinformation today in our studio artyom kuritsyn expert social media analyst timur shafir secretary of the union of journalists of russia alexander rotamonov military expert hello thank you so much for coming to us today and many fakes, we will have to look at and refute, but let's start with a fake, but in russia a tank was removed from the pedestal. uh, to send to ukraine, this is reported by anton gerashchenko, a freelance adviser to the ministry of internal affairs of ukraine, and just the ukrainian media. let's look at this fake as the main departments of information of mass communications of the ministry of defense of the russian federation it became known in connection with the war in ukraine and the losses of the russian federation , working tanks ended. at the moment

, the removal of tanks from the monuments begins. to further bring them into working form, what can be said from the t-34 to alexander, have you seen this fake? well, if so, i don't know. naturally, the tank was removed. participation in the maintenance parade, although the equipment is absolutely magnificent and i just wanted everyone, and the dreamers and romantics to lovers of old technology say that you understand against the modern bassoon atgm or similar kind of technology. yes, even the ukrainian student, but it’s absolutely ridiculous to use equipment, even 30-40 days old, so it’s pointless to use it as a naturally normal one, and the weapon is definitely in such a territorial location, because it’s located there in the city of kemerovo, it’s just at the cadet presidential school. and from there he is periodically removed in order to really correctly look for those who service and participate in the victory parades, the governor of the kemerovo region

sergey evgenievich tsivilev is in touch with us now. hello. good afternoon, and surely you are familiar with this fake, have seen it personally. we are familiar with this fake, of course, we believe that this pure fake has nothing to do with the real situation. let's just tell our viewers in more detail. what is this tank. eh, for what? actually, it is removed from the pedestal at a certain time and what tasks are set for it tank t-34. this is a common feature - this is the best medium tank of the second world war and there are a lot on the territory of russia and outside of russia, but there are t-34 tanks on the pedestals, as a memory of the great patriotic war in our kuzbass, this is of particular importance, because and we are 50% armor for this for these t-34 tanks was prepared here in kuzbass and, uh, our wars fought on these

tanks, so this is a big symbol for us. we have two main tanks that stand on a pedestal in kemerovo and novokuznetsk. these tanks were participants in the great patriotic war, they died. crews. both of these tanks. we traditionally stand on pedestals all year, but by the ninth of may they are preparing to go down from the pedestals, and to pass during the parades, kemerovo novokuznetsk, and now this is exactly the moment when the tank is preparing to pass, uh, and it is the technical part that is being prepared. i'm not a combat unit this uh, there uh is not designed for combat. it is only meant to stand on a subcomment, like the symbol e our victory and pass during the parade, therefore , this year, as well as last year in our two cities, kemerovo novokuznetsk, and two tanks will go

at the head of the ceremonial calculation sergey evgenievich thank you very much for taking the time today, uh with us to talk to you on a good holiday of victory . he is the kindest and most certainly. good luck thank you and now let's move on to the next fake that there is no nazism in ukraine, in any case, the ukrainian authorities declare this. let's see how it looks like you are told that we are nazis, but is it can support nazism, the people who gave more than 8 million lives for the victory over nazism, how can i be a nazi? i tell my grandfather about it. well , you know, when we hear such words, and then we remember how they demolish monuments, yes, and they walk with a tip, bandera at torchlight processions, questions arise. how does all this differ a little from the official presentation and official actions. yes, i would say that, firstly, uh, not a single people is responsible for their scum, i will paraphrase stalin's well-known, but as far as this is concerned character. many say how zelensky can be a nazi when he is a jew and this is combined,

that is, you don’t need to, uh, use luggage, and the ethnic heritage or cultural heritage of the people you lie and talk about, i can’t be like that. let's say i'm russian, so i don't have to play, probably not for sure. let's say. so. give mor wanted to supplement. i just wanted to say that in all these arguments of zelensky about look at me, how can i salute a nazi, they break from the moment that he can calmly walk along the streets of which kiev, which now bears the names of bandera and shukhevych , after that, no disputes on the topic of whether there could be nazism in ukraine under president zelensky or not? it seems to me a question. tell me who your friend is and i'll tell you, look at who you look up to, can you understand who you want to become? yes artyom if you have any comment. yes, there is the only thing not so much from the field of social copper, yes, there are also information processes. uh, how much is there from my past life worked for a while attractive bodies, firstly, about the phrase of the president of ukraine not so long ago, if you

remember, he was asked a question in an interview about the battalion. azov and he did not find anything better. how to answer. it will not be exactly quotes, but what, well, they say, they are what they are, right? this is the first moment, the second moment. i've come across, uh, position in conversations. here, they say, there are radicals everywhere with us, they say, too, there are radicals. yes indeed. we have various radical minded personalities. i don't even say groupings anymore, because, well, they practically gone. that is, they were overcome, and the attitude towards them. appropriate. eh, that's a different story. well, we can see how, uh, torchlight processions really take place. this story is encouraged, that is, it is still forbidden permission. it's still a little different level. yes, that is, it is a level in the truest sense of the word. state support is an ideological component. let's talk about state support for ukraine, they adopted a target program, a state target program for national patriotic education of children, and for the period up to

2025. that's what teaches, just we can see. e, this document was approved by the order of the cabinet of ministers of ukraine dated october 1 , 2020, the concept of the state target social program of national-patriotic education for the period up to the twenty-fifth year of 2025. and here it is the law itself of december 17, 2019, what they write about here about the recognition of the plastic movement, the features of state support for the plast scout movement, the mission of the plast scout movement is to educate the children of youth on the basis of value systems reflected in the plast scout pledge plast to you iskalovskoe laws aimed at making the world a better place, in which people realize themselves as individuals and play a constructive role in society. and what is the formation movement of the cabbage plastun e term, which came from the kazakh training, we even have e, but it is established. well, roughly speaking, the special forces of the xix century

southern cossack army. she ukraine scouts nazi movement to train young people in the style of igil can be put on par. basically, roots can be traced, but more than that, they decided to turn the ukrainians into the same frontier on the principle of hitler. yes, this is a new generation for me. i will turn the whole world. let's just. eh, let's see how it was brought up. we learn this new generation from a person who has already given an interview with you released, at last, mariupol azov ran very somehow. well, cunningly, that is, there are several people in civilian clothes, that is, jeans, but also armor. this is how it is hidden under the jacket. ah, with machine guns. well , there is an rpg. is this or how is it grenade launchers? him so they left the dvoramsha, then the children began a new epic, which means that one azovian is running after him several children with machine guns, and there we saw such a funny picture, two milk-drinkers, dragging this

jw how they didn’t overstrain him incomprehensibly later, well, let’s say i i’m sitting here thinking, but our javelins didn’t have us around ours. yes, it was now i will tell who it is 8 years old. uh, where's the makeover? well , the orphanage, well, this is already clear. and they also set fire to the houses. well, they don’t need a house with people, as on the other hand they pumped up children in order for children fought and set houses on fire. yes, look, here, we do not see. here we are sitting by the window. here is our first floor. here are the children running, well 18 16. corps we don’t know, their corps is black, this costume is terrible things the pilgrim children's camp, as it was called, azov people were represented there, who supervised all this. well, they certainly introduced a certain consciousness, which is already probably

embedded in these kids in these teenagers. now we have the same person in touch. let's ask him even more questions alexey olga hello. tell us, please, you are one of the first people who gave an interview on the topic of what happened in the pilgrim camp. let's talk a little more about this, what is peregrym in general. this is an orphanage. he has always had a bad reputation for his way out. they mostly dealt in drugs. well, basically the criminals are local from what moment they are supervised by azov e, 14, that is, the fourteenth year, this is already the month of june. uh, the fourteenth year, when mariupol was allegedly liberated from the dpr, then they began to attract. that is the strength to dig trenches for collecting dugouts, let's say for dirty work. you said in an interview that the children wore javelins, as it is in general, perhaps we have the whole house. we went out to cook to eat and saw

just this funny sight, like two children. well , offhand, about 14 years old, well, 16 no more, more precisely, whether this weapon was a lot of them at all, they weren’t interested in how often you met them. i’m only asking about this, because the exact data. in addition to the pilgrim, there was also a youth team of us from the hill, where they took schoolchildren to students over these 8 years, it was fashionable to go there to join, because it was possible to study for free. money status was very encouraged this, and here is such a deep question for you. these children, who, respectively, were preparing, or make-up, and not only to say youth to this schoolboy, they are somehow right now on the streets of mariupol, you see them, they have disappeared somewhere. they left along with the advancing units, or they really left. and here, they understood the participation of some kind of hostilities. maybe you have seen or heard about other residents. here are these kids, we don't stop

all day long. until the eighteenth there were skirmishes. they ran between the houses, they set fire to the houses. until march 18, we were near the third city hospital in the city center ; nothing worked out to go out into the street. we had a staff of gold in our house. they occupied all the entrances. we ran from the first entrance to the fifth. a sniper was sitting non-stop in the fourth entrance, their commander was constantly firing from our house with a mortar, they were running around, between our houses these shots were shooting in all directions. that's specially provoke ended that is not at home. events in the end, how did you manage to evacuate? what day did this happen? uh, march 18th. we ran away after our house burned down to our sister in the center of the city , we stayed there until the guys from the don cossacks came for us, difficult moments that you

had to endure. we wish you to return to peaceful life as soon as possible. good luck to you all the best . thank you let's see one of the plots of the nbc channel, which was filmed in 2017 and this part of the documentary. i am now i'm watching a documentary that you made for us in ukraine, here we see children in the camp, singing around the campfire and all that. right. yes, this is a summer camp for children, near kiev, which is run by a military battalion in ukraine, there are many summer camps, but this one differs from the others in its extremist orientation. this girl children spend a week in the camp. there they learn patriotic songs receive combat training in handling weapons participate in combat reenactments half of the children you see in this film is directly related to the battalion. azov what kind of battalion azov azov is a notorious

ukrainian battalion after the annexation of crimea, the official ukrainian army did not have enough soldiers to fight, so civilians formed many of their own volunteer battalions, one of which was inducted into the official national guard soon after in november 2014 that now he knows the legal status, what they mean by nationalism to ukraine, how they identify the nationalists of ukraine in the first place, they should not be russian, because for the last 100 years russia has been pressing and gaining on their borders. which such people defend the ukrainian identity that they had and still have, they do not support russia and the russian ideology, and at the same time do not want to join the very liberal western europe . these camps of the azov camp in particular are not too approved and the relationship depends on who you

will talk to, the ukrainian public, i am grateful to them for the work they did in 2014 to save part of the east of ukraine can it be argued that these camps are fueling fear? or they offer a solution, in fact, it is difficult to say, if the children did not go to these camps, they would not have such a deep understanding of ukrainian history. this film was shown e in the usa and just a dialogue, e for personnel, this is a dialogue between the editor and the author of this filming, we told american journalists spike johnson, who just went to ukraine at that time in order to film the material. you have comments. i see, yes, alexander comments are simple, that a teenager has a state of mind, but borderline with extreme, because it is associated with a certain age with hormones that are crushing incredible desire to acquire in some kind of society. yes part of becoming part of this society, and than socially. this resulted in a cult of death.

naturally, the cult of weapons is something that we understand everything and what is much worse are the images perceived at this age. they are imprinted in the psyche, tightly. it 's not easy to take blood. you can't tie with the blood of a seven-year-old you teach him, and you insert his psyche, certain complexes, certain morality is laid down morally, i say things that are actually scary, because the child does not have a normative perception of the world. he does not see norma, that is, everything that he sees is the norm. if he sees that you can cut off his head and throw it in the trash, this is the norm. and in the future, it's like, well, time bombs can explode in his life at any second , an illusion that is next to this person. they are you never really know what's going to work, so it's actually a terribly hard process, so they did a terrible job. uh, with our future comment, of course. yes. i would like to add already. well, not so much on video. how much do you need to add alexander’s words about social networks, because today you can have a different attitude towards the internet to social

networks, but it’s important to understand that this is, in general, part of the process of the child’s socialization, that is, well, this where does he get his information from? where he receives behavioral patterns, and in this regard , you need to understand that in addition to such direct training of tactical training, there is also information in the regional ukrainian segment of social networks. and the child , in fact, that is, well, he spends there, there is a conditional 3-week shift in the camp. yes, but in fact, the preparation does not end there, the ideological preparation continues permanently. that is, uh, going to the feed in the social network in the morning in any one. yes, he will most likely see the relevant information. let's now connect to our conversation, and since the labontley military envoys and volunteers from the usa, let's just talk about nazism in ukraine and is there any work being done on this in the usa hello

thank you so much for joining us today. please tell me what you know about nazism and fascism in ukraine danik in ukraine was it was created uh, about 100 years ago, otherwise practically scientific application of brainwashing. indeed it is very dangerous. and this is especially dangerous in relation to children, a sharp struggle is information war task. it was placed in front of them. how to achieve such efficiency. now you are in the donetsk people's republic in e. himself an american. why did you volunteer? why are you fighting this fight for donetsk in december 2014 , and i joined the defense forces of the forces

defending the donetsk people's republic to the local special forces. and also the people's militia. i was born in texas but at the same time i was always against the fascist government of the usa uh, my grandfather fought in world war ii against a german e fascists and i keep doing it. i am mountains to this man. and i am glad that vladimir putin and the russian troops launched this special military operation, journalists, and we fighters are trying to do it today, perhaps all the very best to you and good luck. i hope you get in touch with you again and again. now let's move on to the next fake. and here he looks like this picture from

february 24, a beautiful, courageous ukrainian girl. i believe that many people will bless you to survive, by the way, a girl with a machine gun. yes look uh. i think it spread somewhere in china. have you seen this fake? well , alphabetically. yes, i saw this fake and i know that it is really used by another. graphic zone girl is not ukrainian. let's see, firstly, the refutation of this fake. and where did this photo actually come from? the photo of a girl in a bus with a machine gun shows life in ukraine now, but the assessment is not true in the russian picture, and blogger ekaterina gladkikh, uh, holds a dummy machine gun after the photo shoot was taken in march of the twentieth year, the image of a girl with a machine gun is an old meme. i was just sitting next to you all the way, i really liked it, but it was scary to say hello to you, beauty. in fact , there are really messages with humor, because when a girl drives with a machine gun, even

if the machine is embarrassed. and then, uh, it can be scary to say hello. it's uh, exactly. i just wanted to pay attention. to be honest, i would go into the account. uh, who posted the messages. there is a possibility. what could it be? well i just decided i love the word bot. uh, no technical account, because, well, generally speaking, uh, given that the orientation is naturally on the foreign user is gaining. there should have been more hashtags . this often makes it easier to trigger the natural distribution of the post to the audience. yes , it is a sharp suggestion that, most likely, there would have been hashtags, both in chinese and in english. yes timur add if there is a very small touch that yes, the news is written in chinese, the name of the author is shengue, but for some reason next to chinese the canadian flag appears in the name now at a higher magnification. i was able to discern a very interesting habitat, which means their authors. and i will add that the machine. uh, it's really hard to keep a dummy that way. unless she's a very highly developed girl there. here is such a

visa in such an unstable mail. she sits like this, probably weighs little, like those who painted about this . and it was so hard to hold onto, for sure. just now let's try to contact her in order to find out how she herself is to ekaterina gladkikh is exactly the same girl. e with an automatic. hello katya , please tell us about yourself, where do you live, firstly, geographical location. and i live in the city of novosibirsk, very far from the events that are actually described there. tell me, please, this is your photo. you are depicted on it under what circumstances it was made and why do you need a machine gun? and i was driving from the shooting, on which there was a toy machine and went by public transport, where i was just like photographed. please tell me you yourself have come across this fake. we saw him on social media. and i get thrown off a lot. that is, the

photo session itself was not so popular. as a matter of fact. this is the only photo that was taken after it. do you know the author of this picture, who took it? is this your boyfriend? yes , he took a picture of me. thank you so much for reaching out to us today. we will hope that any distribution of further photos. and you will be carried in the network an exceptionally positive character and somehow , uh, will have a positive effect on you. all the very best to you by all means. good luck. goodbye comments. let's comment on what we have seen, we have already repeatedly told the audience on this program and in other episodes about how important it is to check the primary sources, it is clear that any crisis situation. any problematic situation, a war, a military special operation, brings to the surface a huge number of some kind of crooks yes, crooks who, with an incomprehensible biography, which occupy incomprehensible posts. all of them are mostly advisors. offices, or advisers to someone's adviser so, here. once again i want to say to everyone who sees these videos, everyone who

watches these videos is already there.