no time for tchaikovsky or dostoevsky so just a new step, so to speak, has long been refined in more and more inverted initiatives directed against russia, how the embassy lives in conditions when the accounts are frozen, when the buildings are now being taken away, uh, information has passed that the base rest also takes away. clearly a hostile environment, how does the embassy function in these conditions? the hardest blow was dealt to us when 45 of my colleagues were expelled in march. it really was a hard blow, because uh they sent very qualified worthy people, deprived us of three-quarters of the diplomatic staff. naturally, as a result, our possibilities turned out to be sharply limited. in fairness, it must be said that in april there was a retaliatory move by 45 polish diplomats and from

the embassy of the general braids. so that our polish colleagues in russia have a similar difficult situation. and what about the atmosphere? well actually we how long has such an atmosphere existed? well, of course, uh, she even more uh, got more tense after the start special military operation, but he repeated more than once that in general, strictly speaking, fundamentally, little has changed for us. unless the degree has risen, and so the movement continued towards zeroing our relations, a movement that began a long time ago. well, lithuania is even taking a step somewhere. or maybe two more ahead. yes, it has declared russia a terrorist state. and yesterday i decided to recall the ambassador and demanded that the russian one also go, er, leave. e, the hundred capital of lithuania say a. is something similar possible in relations with poland?

in the near future, in general, nothing threatens diplomatic relations between our countries. well, that possibility has always existed for my seven and a half years. here i was expelled already 10 or 15 e in quotation marks. in the sense they sent when they called for sending e, threatened to find out, and so on. well, until it comes to this theoretically, this can theoretically happen and diplomatic relations can be broken off, but for now, to the questions as to why the russian ambassador has not yet been expelled? why the relationship has not been broken yet. uh, polish officials? in general, quite reasonably, they say that after all, communication channels should be preserved at all times. uh, the mission of diplomatic missions. uh, whether it's russia in poland, first of all, they are interested, of course, but the mission of the embassy and the consulate general. poland on the territory of russia is not exhausted. they

want these channels of information to be preserved. so for the time being, you are referring to the fact that there are other nato countries that do not break off relations, do not evoke words. well, except for this individual examples. well, it’s not enough for poland to hurry up, no matter how the trace was the information of our foreign intelligence service to sergey evgenievich naryshkin and voiced that we have information about poland’s preparation of a military operation in e, western ukraine well, uh, judging by the fact what we often see from, uh, news reports from the polish capital, there are indeed some very serious revanchist sentiments. e, they call to constantly remember history. and what is remember history in the polish context. it's naturally there, uh eastern cut and so on. eh, in your opinion. what is the likelihood that poland,

on its own or with the approval of nato in washington , will decide on some kind of military operation on the territory of ukraine? i would not like to go into it. here, in an official assumption, of course, uh, the polish leaders say that there are no such plans and can not be, which more fully supports the territorial integrity of ukraine, which just threatens russia is known for the proposal put forward by the chairman of the ruling party of the play yaroslav kachinsky about conducting a peacekeeping operation in ukraine either in the nato format or in some other format after this idea was not supported by non-americans or nato members. uh, well, the polish side of the polish authorities it was, uh, not abandoned. they said that they would continue to work on it, but some development. she hasn't received it yet. and i think that

such thoughts hover, so to speak. well, that's what concerns others really. uh, implementation. uh, here i think, still uh nothing, as it should be ill-conceived, all the more, it has not been decided how relations between poland and ukraine would have always been characterized. after all, they were not very difficult, especially now in the context of the fact that a huge number of people there are hundreds of thousands of e, are on the territory of poland, i mean ukrainian refugees , with whom conflicts also arise there, there are already reports that there are already victims there. eh, among the polish population, how these relations are developing now and how they are related to the problem of ukrainian refugees. you know, after since the beginning of our special military

operation in the donbass in ukraine, uh, a powerful signal has been sent to society that right now, at this historical moment, the whole west needs to unite. to support ukraine , it is necessary to ensure the military victory of ukraine over russia, and now, when this goal is already achieved, russia will be final and irrevocably defeated. ukraine will be tightly anchored in the west. well, then, somewhere in the future , we will deal with our historical relations by contradictions with ukraine, we will explain what is right and wrong, that bandera tarrah is not an object, a cult, and so on. well, that's all later, but now we need to move all our historical and other political contradictions somewhere aside into the shadows. so focus on the essentials. eh, here. uh, according to our

observations, of course, uh of course, uh, those negative moments in relations between the two countries have not gone anywhere, and in the public consciousness of poles , the memories of the volyn massacre and the crimes of bandera. rejection of bandera's characters themselves there or shukhevych. and they have not gone anywhere, they are just now in such a situation, when, in the political environment of the academic, e, journalistic, the idea that now is politically correct is dominant. this is precisely the only correct line and now is not the time to bring to the light of god all sorts of difficult issues of bilateral relations. so far, society

exists in this paradigm. uh, how long will this situation last. well, it's probably hard to say. eh, you're right, it's really growing the weariness of the polish society from, uh, from the presence, so to speak, of a huge number of ukrainian refugees of the initial reaction. it was under the influence of this very propaganda. uh, in the spirit there to see the gifts of sympathy with the refugees, the need to provide i with comprehensive assistance. uh, here, but over time, of course, fatigue fatigue grows, and so on, according to autumn forecasts. uh, there will be such a line, or something, that's fatigue and negative consequences, huh? ukrainian events in the donbass and ukraine and the influx of refugees for the polish economy

social sphere and so on, and how deeply russophobia has now penetrated into polish society, well , of course, the polish top of the government, it is russophobic to the mainstream in such a western way, but how much public support it enjoys. uh, to what extent poland is saturated with this russophobia in general, are there social strata there that, well, they don’t perceive, this is the entire russophobia paradigm and are ready. eh, there's something to talk about. e about possible cooperation, maybe from our side. you know, this is a very difficult question. how many not i've been trying for my 7.5 years here to give an answer to it is very difficult. uh, there is an answer. well, perhaps, the main thing is that the top is political. uh, the academic journalistic elite

is thoroughly imbued with russophobia, and the certificate is about russophobia. these are the prerequisites for entry. here in these elites, and only very, uh, marginal parts of these circles. uh, they profess, as it were, a different ideology, a different point of view. they practically do not have a significant impact on the political climate, the political atmosphere in the country. you can talk about that, and we were told a lot about that, and people quite sincerely said that the poles are not russophobes. for the most part , we have a good attitude towards both russian uh and russia, and in everyday life we ​​communicate quite normally and are not eager for some kind of confrontation. indeed , this is how it is in personal communication with the poles for all the time

, including after uh, the end of february. i practically did not encounter manifestations of any hostility towards me personally or towards my side. a hmm here but at the same time. uh, you understand this is the mentality that is brought up from childhood in the family at school. uh, at the institute , an idea of ​​the history of the country, but of politics. of course, they have an impact on the world of people's perception, and the polish national mentality is generally characterized by the idea that russia has historically constantly been an adversary of poland, that russia has caused problems for poland and it would be better that nato the united states is a guarantee of security . poland that russia is an unpredictable neighbor from which one can expect just about anything. and on this ground.

naturally, this is propaganda. uh, informational propaganda work, which is intensively carried out by the polish elites, but lies down, so when it comes to voting in favor of this or that policy, voting is usually against us, and those manifestations of benevolent attitude that are here have always been and are. they still seem to wear enough uniforms. character and no one exalts. well, there are no such mass manifestations in favor improving the normalization of relations with russia there is no willingness to speak. that's against this very mainstream. uh, briefly. uh, poland forgiven by brussels. she was a whipping boy for a very long time there were many complaints in the current situation. poland was forgiven in brussels and i think they won't forgive

, uh, because the current ruling circles in poland are c anal conservatives who go against the current, uh, against the mainstream. e european union and c. nato is also against the liberal trend. that's why, although the polish leadership is actively pressing for the fact that that in the current situation, when poland is at the forefront of the confrontation with russia, uh, its allies should show solidarity and withdraw their, as the polish leadership considers worthless unreasonable demands or claims against poland , uh, they withdraw do not hurry, because there is a court decision the european union has a decision of the european commission, which will be supported by the vast majority of the liberal e, governments of the eu country a that the polish judicial reform does not meet

the requirements of liberal democracy, that the executive branch wants to subjugate the judiciary, because there are no independent courts in poland. and this is a matter of principle, well, no one. in general, he does not hide that for the vast majority. it would be much more comfortable for the leadership of the leaders of the eu country to deal with the current polish opposition. quite a liberal, which just fits into the eu maine , so here, uh, the problems have not been resolved, but somehow, to be honest, i don’t believe that their will be able to decide how mutual satisfaction, which, however, does not interfere them to unite on an anti-russian platform. yes , thank you very much. it was the ambassador extraordinarily and plenipotentiary of the russian federation to poland, his excellency sergei vladimirovich andreev . we wish you. good luck on your very difficult posts

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on the air, a big game, what we see in the example of polish politics, is the degradation of the degradation of the elite in europe, the degradation of intellectual degradation, the moral degradation of europe as a democracy, the degradation of europe as an economy, the degradation of europe as a geopolitical the elite has now ceased to be european, it has been issued over the past decade in the united states of america for american grants by american foundations of american conferences, which they are carried out all over the world. and these people are already putting the interests of their country property, yes, the interests of both europe and europe as a continent, into the background compared to the interests of the united states of america, an interest in which, among other things, to sink a

european competitor, which is happening. uh, zakhar will stick a lot. after all, he reflects on this topic about the fate of europe, its decline, and in the russian world i really think a lot and for a long time, because i spent a lot of time, in europe, due to the fact that the literary professions of the book were translated, including number into polish, and not even in the order of boasting, but in the order of status. uh, my books were among the top ten best-selling books in poland, so i, uh, chewed on them very well. and that's what i want to say e unpopular thing today. i want to say, i would not put an end to europe, i listened carefully to our wonderful ambassador, he really brilliantly laid out the situation, but one word scolded me. he said that dealing with russian supporters in poland is extremely difficult, because they occupy deep original positions. this is actually the biggest problem. it seems to me, excuse me in general of our foreign policy bloc in the

last 5-10-20 there. there are 30 years there, because here is my experience of communication even in poland it is the most russophobic country in europe, but even more so in france , germany and italy there are a huge number of people who are dissatisfied with the status that you brilliantly described, they really lost their sovereignty, french italian german polish. they really have the right to american the american corrupt elite and really. there is a serious part of the intelligentsia of journalism of media representatives of writers, by the way, prominent ones, who categorically do not like this, and we should have developed a complex system of interaction with them a long time ago, which we did not develop, because, well, one way or another, all these notorious russian embassy houses and everything else. they certainly wanted to have relationships with decent people, and they had relationships with decent people. hoping that they then in which case these relations will work. of course, they did not work, because they immediately began to expel us from everywhere. sometimes it was to have relationships with indecent people. that's how the

soviet union did, he took himself some completely semi-maginal characters from latin america and africa from pleasing and begin to water and nurture to educate their future partners from them. but we didn't do that, because it's nice to drink champagne at a party with good, pleasant gentlemen. e in the hope that that they will help, but they did not help, therefore, in poland there are really few of them there, there are few of them about the russian, who is really effective there, but the intellectual class. there, 3% can be 4 1/2%, but you also need to work with it, in fact, these sleepers that we have here, as it turned out, are in huge numbers. we ourselves could have them in germany, italy, france and feed them everywhere, and today we would turn them on. it's not even very expensive, but these very few were engaged in rather opposite things. again, not in order, as would complaints. i am i want to say that at one time i lived and served in the donbass and, uh, a couple of times i was invited from there to europe and changed zakharchenko’s salon as an adult sent heavenly when i entered. tell us our truth. so when i went there to europe

, they didn’t let me on the threshold of some russian embassies at home, they just, well, kind of an idea , decent people are gathering. here are some of those . now they left for france and from there. curse our raska from this. let's say goodbye, and we're kind of out of this. from this situation today, we're talking, yes. europe, as it were, has degraded to communicate with us, there was no need to have illusions with anyone in 2005, in 2000 and 2014, it was definitely necessary to understand that this topic is being closed. we are looking for extreme left, extreme right, extreme green , some extreme anarchists and with them. we are slowly starting to build relationships. then they will come in handy, maybe it won’t work out, but at least there was someone to contact, but uh, of course, i would agree with absolutely this, if you europe was a democracy, and or at least a european country was a democracy. i still agree, she can turn on, because this is also not forever. in russia, there are also people who profess. eh, here are our current beliefs. that's what i'm saying, they also occupied marginal positions 15-20 years ago. what could happen there? i have

big doubts, because everything is turned off quite actively there. and you can’t say that we are there and we didn’t look for partners in europe at the russian world foundation, which i head, there was a huge number of partners in europe, a huge number partners in europe, uh, they are, uh, many of them still don't want to cut ties, but they are simply forbidden to have any ties with russia and those people who have pro-russian views or who have, uh, the imprudence to put flowers on the monument warriors of the liberators, what happens to them, they are canceled. eh? tatyana arkadyevna is a citizen of the european parliament, an inviolable person, so she laid flowers. today she was just arrested just arrested for what for laying flowers and performing against the demolition of the monument by the soviet soldier-

liberator. we have many such friends in latvia, but they are simply put in jail. it was the same. well , ukraine wherever american brothers come and where american democracy develops in quotation marks , the same thing happens. mass political repressions begin there, tatyana arkadyevna zhdanok was in this studio, uh, in 2018. here. let's remember it in this studio, of course, our baltic countries were in a certain sense a model model for ukraine and those terms that were used in latvia, namely the russification of the occupation there up to this term. although it is strange to use it in ukraine, but western insight. this also uses it all came from us, unfortunately, on the territory of latvia there is a conflict around

the recognition of the results of the second world war, the revision of these results, and, in general, the revenge of revenge for the victory of the anti-hitler coalition. thank you well, i must say that in the soviet union, the practice that zakhar wrote did not help, so i think we need to look for new forms of interaction with by western elites, who certainly destroyed five empires, and then, as it were, collapsed themselves, who, after all, let's talk about the decline of europe, they are tools of russian soft power. you see, not about that, yes, with whom you really need to interact now, because they are in an extremely sensitive state. let me remind you that it was precisely this state that russia experienced in the nineties . we were also oriented to the west, including the united states of america with which we had exactly the same problems, and it seems to me that e the example of russia in this case is very typical and would be very useful for our european partner, who should see that this is the way to go nowhere

, giving up sovereignty. this path is nowhere. this is the path of degradation not only of the political system, but also of the economic system, what is already happening is the path, uh, which, uh, in principle, which russia, in principle, this m-m refusal, she demonstrated very well, so we now it is necessary to win, because we are in this way. uh, verifying the success of our project and there's no getting away from it. we had a moment of truth when we entered into an information war, including with european colleagues, er, but now is the moment of truth, because we entered into a confrontation with the nato bloc and this cannot be avoided. this is the new reality of conflict. this is also a form of relationship. but it seems to me that the situation in poland is very typical, because poland is always like a pebble. uh, it’s a stumbling block to me, because poland doesn’t play a decisive european role, but it very seriously strives for this, and she will do everything, including indecent things , in order to achieve this after the

uk left the european union, it was quite clear that poland would claim this role of being the most beloved wife of the united states in the european union and what does it actually do with success and now interesting in my opinion, that europe, despite the fact that the main events are now unfolding here and special military operations cease to be the main arena, actions, the main reality of actions moves to asia to china but this happened 30 years ago already quite right. but now it will happen. perhaps even in the form of an armed conflict, and now many european countries will experience a very strong dissonance. including cognitive regarding the fact that they seem to be accustomed to being the object of close attention from the united states. but this time is running out, and they are left alone with russia, they will have to reset their relationship with snamiki. i would say that, probably, the example of france is still different in some ways. and this italy is germany and other countries for

a simple reason. i love facts. and the simplest fact is that there are no american eyes in france, in general, not a single france has such a number of winner powers in a strange way, together with finland macron. this is an ordinary american political technology project, i'm just trying, uh, a colleague's remark, uh, to pass through my mind, and to comprehend and think about this topic. well, look how curious we seemed. you say we didn't work. we did n't do anything that special. we have not improved finalized. well let it be so. well, let's say. didn't we work with marina worked. didn't we greet in our own way in all ways, they showed signs of attention and gestures to riku zamura at the head of the lacoquet reconquista party of minds, no gestures were shown to the former prime minister. i'm talking about france, he has strategic weapons, he does not have a single american base, not about his own submarine. she has part of the rocket aimed at moscow from the private washington of today, despite the opposition of the macron,

which the french often call king mikron, so you see what happened immediately by the time of the elections, facts, rough facts, jamour. this one was baptized from russia, he said, i have nothing to do with it, although he e, vladimir vladimirovich is nothing but yes, forgive not all quotes from pope putin in quotation marks. here, and le pen tried in every possible way to prove that it’s okay that she got money for her party from the bank, which melted the relationship with russian capital, which is generally allowed by everyone and nothing against, that what is the problem all the time just a little melanchon and so. i would say stumble and say. well, in principle, we do not fully understand what is happening there, so it turns out even now, this is the most wonderful and seemingly freer than germany and france yesterday i talked with german colleagues for me, german journalists, the last, in my opinion, free german journalists , who maintain their blogs of german journalists, while thomas the rapper living in st. petersburg leads anti spiegel a large multi-portal.