arrived in the moscow region. yes, there to the orenburg region and from there. we went to moscow with him, that is, there we already reported the beginning of your trip yes, and then zhiguli and so on on this zalyonka to moscow so we realized that it’s nice to spend time like that, that is, we realized that this is not us worries. and we like it. this door. here is the movement. you see, in general they like cars, they like to drive, something very important in this sense, i was lucky. but it doesn’t bother me, i like the lack of some kind of comfort, change don't like the impression that you see a lot of things? that is, even if there is an opportunity to go somewhere by train, let's say you have a rest in russia. we 'll go by car anyway, because we like the impression that sometimes you can see the road on the road. you know how people have such an idea about the road and cars. well, yes, that oh, on the contrary, fir-trees-sticks. well, yes, i have to go by car. this, god forbid, you know the wheel will definitely break through, that means. oil

will flow out to think, then, so it will happen, and that is, thought is material. and if you think that everything is you will be fine, then you from orenburg to moscow simply without any problems. even if julia breaks through in some buzuluk bor, this is practically the russian bermuda triangle, then in some village there will be a person who has a spare tire, just for our wheel this happens all the time. tell me, please, here, who is victor by profession, i understand. well, that is, we do not specify, but it is clear that the military experts, so to speak, the leader should have been like that. well, i can also say that the classic was before when i met him as a soviet engineer, i worked in it after they safely left with him to serve in the renburg region. but another child was born , they returned, when they returned to moscow, he entered the academy, then already a new career. i went to a publishing house and started working for journalists, then as an editor, and i already finished my career as the editor-in-chief of the magazine and you left this job, yes, yes. no, it’s not necessary, anyway

, here she works as the editor-in-chief. yes, it's always a responsibility. it's always very stressed pipes. it's true, yes. here i am, like after retirement, there you could go there as a civilian and helped a civilian career, but i understand that when you go to some kind of leadership position. yes, i understand that this is a responsibility for people. this is responsibility for the job. this is responsibility. for this i. it's like we're going to say that. yes, i would like to answer for myself. seems like it should. yes, it seems like, well, what to do, yes, what to do, but on the other hand, i really didn’t want to. here is my question you know what modern man is. he lives non-stop in the grip of responsibility for, uh, the tomorrow of what i now make such a decision not to finalize. there to satisfy the pension. and suddenly it won't be enough. and suddenly he wants to.

well, in principle, yes, of course, on the one hand, how would you understand that the money still had to come from somewhere, right? well, here again, the good thing is that we are, as it were, pensioners. yes, i have a military pension. well, quite good more than civil yes, svetka also has, as it were, a pension now, that is, two pensions, in principle, taking into account the fact that you will starve russian, how will you live? yes, that's what you'll have, so to speak , you have enough for it. this may be the main fear. what if you suddenly don’t know yourself, you’ll starve there, something that’s all the same, the pension removes, whatever it is. well, she's quite small, but she's not quite small. that is, the main spectrum, as it were, is that the pension is good, that is, the pension would be smaller. well something we would be looking for more opportunities to increase money. i think so, well, after all , not everyone goes beyond the limits of this fear. now i understand what you are talking about. what qualities do you think you need? to fall to this, so to

speak, this framework to push the wife. it's good to have one. how are you. yes, i'm a good wife. i'll explain why you know, here you are at the heart of everything. i, too, took a long time. here after the next issue of the magazine. right now, i’ll probably leave, i don’t want to start again in the cape. that was what travel, and at the same time some more money, so that something is needed enough, well, naturally, the strength of one's profession. i thought that it was necessary to write to shoot a video, to offer some magazines everything and in fact. here with this idea. i left thinking it would work. it was a leap of faith. and that's why i'm a good wife, because you see, they offered a deal with a civilian career completely unfamiliar to him, and i figured that a person comes to the team. he works. he needs to educate himself to gain knowledge to do career, what he will face is this in the current competitive environment, which, in fact, will then affect his health, but because this is at this age, the asphalt is completely new. here and there, indeed again there is something to obey somehow.

so i said, do not answer it is not necessary to live somehow. health is more expensive. don't need this. we 'll figure something out for you. so and so, what did you save up for? the only thing, as i understand it, is to improve the car. yes, you will attack. yes, that's right, what's inside it. well, it means there the main thing is that there is a toilet there, uh, a shower of hot and cold water. sleeping place with extra bed, gas stove m refrigerator with freezer. uh, guests. yes, some big ones have a battery. yes, there are solar panels to show the siege, we have dill parsley in pots to pinch it with us. no, there i always say in stores, that's how we water the cage . yeah, the one that puts forward a dream, that is, in fact, this is the result, as they say

, dreams really come true, if that's what thoughts that you will get with time, here you see the realization of this dream. how many years has gone by? that's how much it's gone. in the end, it's also a coincidence .

of course, there are people who want adrenaline, there is a need and someone decides on something, someone with a parachute, and by the way, adrenaline works too. i read somewhere that adrenaline is needed so that the body does not age. i think it's true. life after 50 has a taste of the taste of the air of some kind of fresh very those who are afraid of age. i do not know what old age is, having retired. you understand that everything terrible is behind viktor and svetlana zhukova in general, i have the impression that, in general, this is a way of traveling more characteristic of young guys. well , that is, students who want to save money chip off together rent. there is this motorhome and so they will come. ah. have you experienced

being looked at with some such astonishment, they say. oh, and you travel too. in russia, too, maybe they ask, and there , probably, all pensioners have motorhomes, it seems that this is a whole movement, but you will not see the youth. that is how your more comfortable, right? they work more with cats with their dogs. moreover, they take out bicycles, and therefore, just like we, however, we went. here we met many. there are such ethical pictures, when you are two cars, one pair the second here they go to the seashore, they have some kind of harmonica to play the harmonica and sing. it happens that they are enjoying life, it's true. and now you are also on bicycles. you say we always take bicycles with us . get some experience looking around, what people are doing there more to see at wherever we stand, we untie. and whether it is parisians, as with the capital

on a bicycle. you will see more whether it is some kind of coast. yes, but here you are, knowing that you will come to visit us, you decided to talk with young guys of 18 years old about how they represent themselves. e your fiftieth birthday there or after 50 years, what do they think about this topic. let's listen to them. you are over 50 you are retired and a writer in my books and are published in russian english and french playing with grandchildren in the park on a roller coaster, children squeal the era, hooray and i hitchhike through russia, kazakhstan , mongolia with my children. make enough money for my job to become. well, a hobby, not a means of survival, and i hope to devote more time to the family to travel. maybe i think that i will devote most of my free time to myself to engage in some kind of self-development, read a lot and do things that

i didn’t have time when i was young. what is possible after 50, but what is impossible in 20 a lot? sweet 50 in general, everything is possible, it seems to me that everything you want can be done at the age of 50. uh, you can’t be a maximalist in the army and look for the meaning of life. it’s time to stop looking for him at 30, when you realize that you can’t look for him. it 's impossible to find 50 can't wear miniskirts no man. i need women to absolutely calmly go to jump on trampolines, and at 20 years old, braids will look at you, 50 water you. can you be naked on the street? everything is the same as at 20, but at 20 you don’t know what to be afraid of after 50, the worst thing is lose touch with family. i think nothing. in general, he did not achieve even 50 years. in vain, they didn’t have time to

do something, and not to say i had a dream of becoming an astronaut. and just became a guard there not to see half the world, probably, a decrease in the old-age pension, that is, the old age of the soul. that's what i'm afraid of, i want to always stay young to fly up to two hundred what you should be afraid of, after 50 it will work out. i do not think so. it's amazing how close you are. i would say with this generation it's time to jump on the girl's trampoline, because that no one will look indirectly. i noticed that you covered your head very much when one of the girls remarkably said that at 50 you can do everything the same as at 20, only you don’t know this at 20, really. it is necessary now, and young people, to think that they need to strive. here is something to choose already think about it and lay. at one time we laid, as it were, the foundation we thought it

’s not so easy for autohomes anymore yes, they changed it and you will see it has always been this idea that when we have freedom so that we can calmly travel. well, that is, it was such a goal that was going systematically, there was me and the car. well, and so on, that is, but everyone should see for himself, while he is young, he works completely. and what he needs by this time may be, and yet he strives for freedom, because yes, if there is freedom of movement in time. it seems to me that this is the basis of happiness, as if here is the freedom of movement in space in time, right? unlike those young guys we talked to, who are basically not afraid, er, old age does not think about it. maybe even and there are other young people who are thinking. sometimes their age, so to speak, is intimidating, and one of them was. a photographer from st. petersburg, yulia titova, who even became so interested in this subject at the age of 23. she was just about everything when she was, and became interested in this topic that she even conducted some kind of her own investigation and made some such

an art project, filmed a documentary about it. now we want to contact her. hello julia . i wanted to, uh, ask you why actually at such an early age of 23 years. you were so frightened, or something, of old age that you became interested in it and decided to somehow explore it. when i was 23 i graduated from university, and university in my opinion, this is a turning point for many young people, because for many years you prepare for something . first you go to school to go to university, then you want to go to university to get a diploma and you don’t think about what will happen next. and so, when i graduated from university, i realized that very a lot of things are already behind, and i don't know what's ahead and i'm already 23 years old. and it seemed to me then that i was old, that is, they actualized the problem , they realized that you are old, that you need to deal with this issue. and it was

such a shock for me. i understood, lord, looking at the first- year students who came to our university, that they are 17. and i'm already 23 and what i have achieved at this moment. it was such a strange state and then i talked to those who were thirty, and they told me what are you, we are old, you were only 23 then they thought. what about people feel at 60 and 70. yes, i talked to those who were 17 and a friend told me, what are you, a girl , it’s too late for me to start making music, i’m already 17. and here’s my question. what is old age, and i realized what it is when you think it's too late for you to do something. and so i did some research. we conceived a documentary film. uh, and decided to address two audiences. the first is youth. ask them what, how do you see yourself when you are old and ask the elderly people themselves of all kinds, to find out what it's like to be old. what conclusion

did you actually draw from this study speaking to one and the other audience. well, we concluded that, in principle, there is no unconditional such a state as old age, then this is insanely subjective, that it very much depends on the person, firstly, it depends on the relationship to oneself, because some of those people whom he they said they saved up for two things alone. on a trip, while others saved up for funerals and were all the same at the same age, and we realized how important it is to feel that you are. well, you have a lot ahead of you, that is, to motivate yourself on your own. what do they dream of? what they dream of becoming. and so to speak, they portrayed this dream, as i understand it, people are well over 50. eh, why is that? well, i wanted to take pictures. about this, i realized that older people usually do not become. that is, in

society there is such a cult of beauty and youth as as if, well, this is the only thing worth striving for, and i knew that this was not so, because i see my grandmother and then i found exactly the older models and interviewed my surroundings. what do you want to be in 50 years and we all then were about 20 years old, respectively, it turned out that at 70 years old. they want to be that's the way and displayed. it's in photography. there , someone goes in for yoga, boxing, someone rides a motorcycle. well, that is, these are the most optimistic assumptions, the last question for you. so what do you want to be now to 50 years from now? but i would like not to stop, i have been involved in charitable projects for the last 5 years and would like to dedicate. that's your old age completely this, a pleasure. well, for me it is a pleasure, and the journey is a journey, of course, yes. in general, i never think that this is something

out of the ordinary, that we all need to travel and the elderly, of course, also yul, but is there any old age at all, that's what you say about this. i think that there is old age, and there is old age. and someone manages to remain in old age just like in age, but for someone, unfortunately, old age comes to him. thank you very much yulechka good luck to you. they know the secret of a happy life, nothing ever happened if we were afraid of old age, it seems to me that this is one of the secrets of retirement is not a sentence at retirement, in principle, given that we are so you will starve russian song. they were not afraid to change their lives, how can you be afraid of what? naturally. we must find in it some charms, and charm is freedom victor and svetlana zhukov. how did your loved ones react to the fact that you took the risk like that? okay, you are brave, but

there is something nearby, who else? like the older generation, he is always afraid of advising another. yes you? yes, like my mother, thank god, you chewed, you see, there are elderly women in the club, and therefore this is all this. yes. and friends also supported and the son supported, but he is also the son of an adventurer from us got a little bit . and by the way, if you are such avid, travelers from the moment you met. as is there a son? he traveled with us in a car in a car. starting from the fact that he was still in my stomach, he traveled all the way there for the seventh eighth month. he began to walk in a car somewhere in the chelyabinsk region to walk in a car. not that he came out, we brought him out on the grass, like to sit. he got up and went somewhere, it was like this then, of course, they drove around russia, they always drove him. he somehow started to swim with us and that's it. that 's somewhere out there in some lake, ah, who were passing by. yes, he poured him a little into something else. here travels since then, he no longer wants to travel by car without comfort. now he travels somewhere to book there, a hotel and so on. this is mine,

unlike you. yes? he is just, uh, yes, but these impressions have led to the fact that he is a good photographer. here is the traction, first of all, he rides a lot on a bike and with a camera at high speed he has such a yes, but on a bike out of the camera he takes good pictures. but what about your maternal fears, for example, no, they were not included. oh, the child will get sick on the way. oh where are we going. ouch, will catch a cold. oh, good tool. i'm stocking up on a pouch of all sorts of medicines just so they'll never come in handy. here you take it, you never need it, as soon as you start the sign, it will be needed, i take the bag, it's always a ritual and glory. we do not open it to god. uh-huh tie it solemnly. yes, just like warm clothes in summer, right? just in case, after all, this is a very good example, someone wants to go,

so take the pills with you, so that they come in handy in the summer, so that frosts don’t happen, it’s necessary, damn it, forget warm, and in winter, uh swimming trunks. well, so that sweat yes no seriously. yes we really just in case lies messi we are going in early april. we take skiing swimsuits with us, because at the beginning of april we will go skiing somewhere in the alps. and we live downstairs, of course, not in hotels there, but the parking lot below is warm, and there is still snow after we ski. after that we descend into the credit valley, the mediterranean sea. well, plus or minus there, even if it 's cold, we already swim there anyway, then tell me, selling a moscow apartment and buying in the moscow region closer to the mountain slope, just in the suburbs, and some house, apparently, as i understand it, this is also adrenaline no, this is a dream that we thought about it for a very long time. everyone gathered, periodically returned to opportunities, no matter

how they went, just looked in the suburbs, chose without any means for this, you sold the moscow apartment, because you did not have the opportunity to purchase, so to speak, if it was and or or or even everything - still limited funds and still, so to speak, a pension. this is the main thing, that you, uh, we didn’t have any income, as if we had money and an apartment there, from which, uh, we got light from my aunt. yes, we gave it to our son. as a matter of fact, yes, we ourselves are there right there, well, we bought a good day, brother, and with light, brother. he seemed to help us, as if he bought this slice of an apartment, and with this money we actually bought up to well , it's just that people do it, but if there is a moscow apartment, they value it. they try everything there. well, somehow, maybe, maybe, it can be handed over, but the main thing is not to lose, but if yes, that is, we are like us, when we sold it, we lived there, here my mother

was in the country, we lived in my mother’s apartment, then some of them hung there, so there were some things in my mother’s apartment in the town. yes, in the apartment for six months. we lived like this until we were looking for where we could stumble. as a matter of fact, well, naturally, we found that we didn’t worry about what we wanted. you sincerely understand, if a person likes life closer to nature near moscow, why does he humiliate himself from moscow? i understand who goes to work every day, that's all, but you ca n't be afraid of buying an apartment. i worked for her. worked worked. how am i going to part with her? well, you’re your quality of life, you move there better for you, where you were told that you are generally not tied to any material, so to speak, things, especially our business there is not so close to the car. yes oh car to anyone. i want us to now look at another plot of a hero,

who, perhaps, is similar to you in that he thinks in the same way that no material wealth and even social status does not matter compared to the pleasure that you can get from life. let's listen to him. this is alexander galitsky. i'm 58 years old. uh, and somewhere a little, not reaching five years. i radically changed my life and i regret only one thing that they did before. he worked as a graphic designer and was in charge of a large department. e served as a director at a large firm that was engaged in the release of computer training programs, but i am such an independent person by nature, i decided that it was probably more correct to just do it myself arrange your life. uh, because i want to no now, as it were, that is, she has been for many years,

yes, and there it was written there the director the director everything is there. and when you call on the phone you mean like there's a big firm behind you behind your back. yes, and you imagine yourself, respectively, with such a noble bass, when you become the director of a great circle because of this, it ’s kind of. probably such a shock. i would like you to take a small part of this. i say, he is 13 years old this hammer came out. i am probably also inside the same battered outside, only such strong friends when they asked me to try it for the first time. that is, i was working, then they told me, come on, try, take one group of old men. i said that this is complete nonsense in general, that it is like, first of all, these people and old people are old people with sharp instruments. in general, people who can't do anything. they ca n't see, they can't hear, wasn't very excited about the

idea until i tried it. what happened to you? what's up with your owl? he is one-eyed. these are the people, they're like this would my my friends, and they come here of their own free will. i decided that i, too, come here of my own free will and come to play, because there is no more pan-foolish work in the world. that's why i like her very much. i had a case where two old men got into a fight, because somehow i didn't make it in time. so, let's give everyone some kind of their own business, seat them, give them a tool, so that they start working and one leaves, and the other remains and tells me. i didn't want to come. why did i come, and this is the story. she's on it. i'm like i study too, because he really does

come sometimes, because he because he wants life to go on, the way it was a week ago and show yourself that everything is in order, that i am there so to speak, despite the fact i don’t know what i’m there. i didn’t sleep at night and i don’t feel well, she became. this man came here 95 years old. such a little boy now let's take his soul, how to take this soul here to him and tell him, as it were inside. yes, of course, you came right and everything is in order. now we are with we will continue with you and life goes on. if i knew how, for example, to knit with knitting needles, they knitted him, if i knew how to do it, i don’t know there, so to speak, to do something from cotton wool. we would make from cotton wool. it doesn't really matter what i do with them. so let's paint. face this is the art of living.

it's just, probably, 50 - it's still some kind of, well, more of a psychological milestone, because it seems like fifty dollars yes, but on the other hand, besides the advantages, really. i don't see any shortcomings. bye. i just wanted to say remembered the thought. she just arrived. we are also really working. this is where the idea for another trip comes in. we are going to meet with masses of people. everyone wants to talk to the russians. after all, we have a russian flag in a car, you can see everything, this is a russian car. she’s a supermarket here, everything is everywhere with a mass of people, and we tell them everything about russia, how a car comes to visit us. we sit and talk. and this is what i mean, this is it, work, whatever you want to call it, but

in fact it can be small, but people learn something and you still don’t see that, it turns out, russian pensioners are also traveling, that they also have them, then we also have the same life here, like they have us, we are not wild, by the way, uh, i would like some practical then to touch on questions, but as for how you travel around europe, firstly, i wanted to know, but this summer you were in europe, right? crisis crisis at the end of june returned only and somehow you manage to calculate your budget. yes, yes, even you once argued, maybe it’s not now, not up-to-date information that life in while travelling, you sometimes manage to be more frugal than, uh, in a settled area of ​​life. so why? well economical what is here? this is our house. we got out and sat in it. all the same people went that here we go to the grocery store, which is the same there, all clothes. you don't even buy no

wrong. it happens sometimes. the same. you know, there are markets there, you meet them in any country in italy, there in france about markets where they sell stocks of new things. it's a nice thing, it's very cheap there, you can dress up french italians there too. now, if it happens that you just notice it, you calculate that no no. no, no, no, on the way, so some days, plus we're not driving on freeways, where there isn't. as if life is only one machine, here, and we to not pay. we, of course, do not use the toll road. we have savings in everything we drive. the same highways are parallel, but they go through towns. and there, firstly, you see this life, what they live in, and here you can meet anything you like, even a rural holiday, even such markets and if by chance, we need something, we take it, but it is at such a low price that it is very profitable in practice. they only need money for gas. and if we have enough money accumulated, we can afford to travel once, we drove around the perimeter of france. in general , a maximum of 12,000 km per trip. yes, we had such

money, then it was 60,000 rubles. well, here it is. and if this is not enough budget, it has not rolled down, then you can not go far. can i visit germany in bavaria or parene? well , father's mileage, ama, and there europe is small at the end there small, that is, there already, but with parking lots. free for campsites are those that have special parking, or what we try in camping in the first place, campsites. they are in beautiful places, but you also have to pay for them. naturally. that is, it's somewhere there with a terrace in the city center city center, of course, the whole charm is to find, so as not to cross out the forbidding. i know that the camper is not allowed. if this sign is not there, then the police may not have to come to you , that we always call in the center. and such a trick you need to call on friday evening, when weekend parking in all european capitals, large cities, you come to paris for free, uh, at one time we