imperfect and france on the territory of mali addressed to our authorities confirm this information. yes, of course, i think that we should write a letter about everyone. that is, if there is any disturbance in the world. we are ready to create our own independent commission. let it even be dependent, to whom the commission, along with the other french there, will go out to everyone else , but provide the information that we know and let's all investigate together. if they refuse our help, well, then no one interested in this investigation. this very fact of refusing to do so will indicate that nobody needs the truth. thank you very much for this comment. all the best to you. we'll keep in touch. now let's roll over and continue to understand this fake immediately after the advertisement. an educational program on creating fakes from kiev liars, how an employee of the ministry of emergency situations was turned into a marauder, and the russian military was accused of a shortage of medicines in the kherson

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against fakes and misinformation. today we are trying to understand the fakes that were created by the french side in order to accuse russia of allegedly staging mass graves in moths. let's let's remind the chronology once again so that we lose the thread of the very events that we are now following uh . and now the patrol, just discovers those very places of burial. yes and on april 21, photos and videos of these very burials appear. and here is what these very first publications actually looked like. well, look as much as possible share information this video shows the corpses that were found. e fam. yesterday. these were people killed by france who have been carrying out their atrocious operations for a long time this post appeared on april 21st. here is this post appeared on april 21 maximum distribution. the information about the terrible bloody massacre hidden by france was revealed by the forces of russia and

gasi where dozens of corpses were found under a layer of sand and there were quite a few such tweets. i see how it works. uh, let's say the pr-machine of the west, we have processed several thousand publications in different languages ​​around the world on this situation. and let them not curl up to pray, but their publications amounted to a few percent. even fractions of a percent. uh, in the art of shading the weave. the french, so to speak. uh, in this case, they reached the heights of chomolungma, here the post belongs to a person who served as a mercenary for some time. hmm there is an african. uh, then uh, he prays prayed, as he suggests. so to say, a citizen of the moth according to his passport himself in the entire page of consciousness more than six months ago, for some reason a statement comes from the french genn, we know that, most likely, these are replacements or under. post created by russian uh hmm groups of people in order to defame

the french like this, well, at the level of excuse kindergarten or first grade first quarter. there, a specific person wrote that the mollian army discovered dozens of villages of people, and france wanted to hide those killed. this crime has been discovered. and with the help of uh, russians in geese. here. i understood. what's the matter? most likely, the discoverer prayed. what happened called russian instructors of russian people who are present in malia, specialists were asked to help analyze what caused, but this wave and the desire to shift responsibility, russia in the title or in the text. all let's talk about how the investigation will go. now we have, uh, the world is in touch, the joy is the head of the fund for combating the repressions of the world. hello, glad to see you. but what do you know the situation in malita. and what is really there? it didn’t happen, but as a human rights activist, in principle, i am not indifferent to the situation with

dead people in moths and malian journalists found out that the europeans, leaving the military base in russia, took out about 400 containers with gear and equipment. perhaps it was this haste that prevented him from qualitatively recording the traces of his many crimes, and in the base area, foma’s servicemen discovered a mass grave, and of course they invited journalists to us and, for example, the employees of the malidzhet publication suggest that these are the bodies of several civilians from the village, and dior whom the french recently abducted the problem is that, according to the local population, the detainees never returned home, and earlier citizens reported and journalists and famisto their acquaintances. neighbors repeatedly. uh, they became victims of the soldiers of the dune, these innocent people. accused of involvement in terrorist activities and executed extrajudicially. in order in the twenty- first century, therefore, ah. this, of course, is monstrous,

because judging by the frames. they tried to burn these people in order to destroy the evidence, but the video turned out to be so convincing in quotation marks that it cannot be transferred to law enforcement agencies of any country in the world. moreover, this video cannot be transferred to the russian side. quite logical after all, well, the whole point is simply that the french video does not contain, as i mentioned earlier, no reference to the coordinates of the area, nor a specific date . it seems that france hired not the highest quality ukrainian propagandists who did their job for the evaluation is not satisfactory . my first question arises when i look at this video, which claims to have been made with a drone, where the geolocation is indicated, where the date and time of the video made are indicated, there is no this information, which can generally be discussed here in accompanying these accusations in those media, they also published a video that was filmed by the mari soldiers and it indicates that the burial is

buried after discovery, as well as photos and videos are being recorded, and as far as i know. for all the time the presence of russian instructors on the territory of the moth, france has always accused the mari government of collaborating with russian mercenaries, but they have never been able to provide evidence, so this case, in principle, shows that france is serious worried about losing her influence in prayer. thank you very much for this comment. let 's join our conversation now. uh, boris is the birthplace of an expert at the center for military-political journalism of sevastopol hello boris. tell me, we are analyzing these video frames, what confuses you about them? well, this is a certain typicality of such staged moments in the media sense, because we can remember how in libya, after the departure of haftar turhuna, there immediately appeared a story with graves, in which they immediately accused the holstar libyan national army. and here we see

how, during the period of the unfolding crisis of the french military presence in maliwa, a story suddenly pops up in which they are actually trying to turn the arrows on russian military instructors in moths and on the new government that is associated with them, respectively, there is a certain pattern that is used both by france and by a number of other nato countries in africa to accuse russia of infrastructuring information and political deterrence, and the spread of russian influence in countries where the influence of nato countries is obviously weakening. thank you very much for this comment. let's now, as a final, connect to our conversation. janus pudkanin is journalists, and i want to ask him a question. please tell janus who is still behind the provocation behind the accusation of russia, what we

see is a staging, a staged situation. it was back in february when the french president warned that the russian mercenaries would create something like a quotation mark massacre or violation human rights, we have seen this indeed in the syrian scenario. this is where it was planned. and it was clearly done. about the preliminary plan and from 2020, the watch organization was already ready for such provocations, and we are seeing exactly the same thing that is happening, what was

before this accusation. eh, then they come. ah, which brings some accusations without serious sources on terrorists and so on. this is all formed from western countries. and we see how it was with isis. here with similar organizations. i am i understand correctly that it is already precisely to identify the people who are behind this, that it is the cia that is behind all these provocations and staging. everything was shaped by hybrid operations with the cia where both npos and mainstream media were in the right place at the right time to support the official charge and that's exactly what we saw in this situation thank you for this comment. uh. thank

you so much for getting in touch with us today. here i see alexander you didn't agree that here only the cia but i'm right already, probably now i understand correctly that they all operate interconnected. yes, it’s all one collective , relatively speaking, the west that we are now talking about in ukraine is that even the most active americans work very actively there, the british. well, or even zelensky has already moved from roof to roof of boris johnson, so there and mi6 pay fakes. now , by and large, the whole collective smell of france, germany and england and the usa, their special services are working against russia, yes, thank you very much, that you came to our program today and helped to understand this complex topic, and that’s all for today. anti-fakes are with us fight against the untruth that has befallen us. if you have any photos or videos that cause you doubts, be sure to. send to the editor of our program. we will conduct our own investigation and report the results on air. hello

, the program time will tell, we continue to work live. i'm artyom sheinin, we continue to talk about the event that we are observing this is not the first day, about which they always started talking yesterday, both in a practical and symbolic sense. well, as of today , and it looks like, let's say, in figures and facts, the official representative of the ministry of defense of the russian federation, major general kanashenkov, please. in mariupol, the azov stalboviks of the azov nationalist unit and ukrainian servicemen blocked at the plant continued to surrender over the past day, 694 militants served as weapons and surrendered. including 29 in total, on may 16, 959 militants surrendered

, including 80 wounded, 51 of whom needed hospital treatment and were placed in the novoazovsk hospital of the donetsk people's republic. i continue to surrender, we say we continue, either the evacuation, only this operation, or the execution of some order , the ukrainian side says, but in fact, from the point of view of how i look at it and what i want to share with you. it is not so important now. this is not the most important thing, because we all know what it is. actually. this is surrender to captivity. and then how they want to present it for themselves and for their society. it just says a lot about themselves and their society. actually, exactly like what i'm going to talk about, because all these people that you see on these e, on this video give up, if basically, but look at their average age, their average age will be somewhere - then 30-35 years old. and this suggests

that this is the embodiment or aceto- personification of that very ukraine, but this one, independently and independent, which was built all these years, when, in fact, these people were born, this is what happened as a result of the experiment that was put on ukraine, which became independent. they were born at this time. they lived at that time , they were brought up at that time, and they became, let's say, the embodiment of these tattoos of these chevrons, which they recently proudly wore. and now, of course, they’ve torn themselves off; this has become the embodiment of that very ukraine, that very ukraine in which they were born, in which they developed, which slowly, as we you know. and now we see it turned into anti-russia, in which they burned books, in which they burned books, because in these books

something was written that they liked about our joint past, in which it was not written that they were hiding they dug up the black sea, in which some hundreds of years of history were written, in which we were together, in which we were either one people, or, so to speak, fraternal peoples. and they didn't like it. it was etched out of their lives. and with those the people we see in these footage giving up. it worked out better than with anyone else just like when we see footage. e in the same odessa when they remove the memorial plaque from e. zhukov, we see some young people who grew up in this ukraine who bring it down and other young people who are trying to prevent this, because ukraine ukraine remained heterogeneous anyway, in ukraine there were different people. and those who are surrendering today pretending that they are going to evacuate. this is the part of ukraine that we managed to reflash as much as possible to make the most

anti-russian. and these are the people for whom russia was turned into russia and the russians were turned into something, into some kind of jupel, into some kind of symbol, so to speak. eh, hatred - these are people who grew up trampling these flags, and many of them in the fourteenth year. uh, in fact, it was 15 16 17 18 years old. these are the very people who, in front of many of them, uh, so to speak, who only grew and took shape, and cut these same cakes, and who depicted a russian baby with russian flag and so on. why am i saying all this. i'm not going to make excuses for anyone. i'm not going to smear anyone. i am not going to. i am not a priest and not a poet to call for mercy on the fallen. i'm only talking about what we're dealing with right now, looking at these people. this is a symbol of the very ukraine that has developed over 30 years. more precisely, the way they wanted to make it, it remained largely heterogeneous, and this is the brightest part of

it - the soldiers. the same ukraine which, after the start of our special military operation with tv screens through the mouths of their tv presenters, not bloggers, nor ukraine's sloggers who called through their tv presenters. that's why i remind you of this so that you don't forget it. what country do these soldiers who are surrendering now represent, please, sooner or later you will become a wife, because you will find the ukrainian people for months or resorts in turkey. you see, what we see now is surrendering what we see now. and, well, as if disarmed - this is surrendering. that part of ukraine that grew up on all this and out of all this, which grew out of this

news anchor, which grew out of another news anchor. it's all one thing, these soldiers are part of the image of ukraine that they created for themselves with an idea of ​​who they are and what they can do for this. i remind you of another manifestation of the side that they represent, please. we need victory if it means slaughtering all your families. i will be one of the first to do so. i hope that such a nation as russia will never again remain on this earth, these geeks who litter this earth, if the ukrainians have the opportunity, which they are now doing to chop, cut, kill moskals, then i hope everyone will contribute and kill at least one muscovite and yes, i understand the emotions and feelings justified by many of you, who are now looking at the footage of their dacha being taken prisoner, as soldiers of the country in which this sounded on tv and

pumped people up with this. notice everything. this time, nothing like this sounded from the screens of our tvs, nothing like this, and even after as it sounded from their tv screens. here it is in the performance of the doctor, which we all, perhaps, will never forget, but now, looking at these shots. we must not forget that these are the soldiers of the side that has been raised. and neatly folded, in which something like this could be possible on tv. listen. i gave instructions to my doctors. i was always a big calmer and said that as soon as a person is parallel. he is no longer an enemy, but a patient, but now a very strict order for all men to castrate, because these are cockroaches, not people and believe me, all the doctors who saved the life of the patient in the russians will die here in large numbers, those who leave will remember the nightmare of the ukrainian land, as the germans remember history back. and now, having shown

you all this, i will remind you, everything, this is for you and for yourself. i'm talking about what i understand, the feeling of those who are perplexed. why are we doing this to them? why do we treat the avant-garde with the guard ourselves, who declared this guard, remember this radish, who on february 26 told how they were in heaven on the ground. and at sea they will cut to destroy the russians and go on the counteroffensive, and so on and so forth, we all remember this, and of course on an emotional level. we are now looking at them surrendering, and we are asking each other questions. and this is how we are. why can you disagree with me in my answer? why? exactly, because we are what they were taught to hate with lies about us. we are russia, we are people in us there is no hatred for them,

because they are like that and exactly, therefore we behave and will behave like this even with them. yes we will to treat them today alone, dear woman in the morning, and having heard in the news about the fact that another portion of the wounded azov. delivered to the hospital sincerely asked me what they would be treated. and i said yes? because it is the only way we can explain to ourselves and our children. and to the parents of soldiers fighting and dying. why are we there only so we can understand that we came there to liberate, when russia, about which they have been lied to for 30 years, many of them are of these, who are now lying in the corridors of these hospitals. many of them have never been to russia

they were raised in hatred for russia and the fact that they now have the first way to face the fact that such russia is such a major turning point. this is a major turning point for many in ukraine who will see this for their peers, who are also raised on what i showed you, who is still in this cocoon of hatred that they have been created there all these years and continue to pump up now. and this is what russia does, which actually exists, and not in their sick, inflamed, distorted consciousness, and therefore, yes we'll do it and yes we'll be surprised looking at the footage. e fighters of the 107th people's militia regiment of the dpr who sleep on the floor in the same hospital in the same novoazovsk hospital where these soldiers of the ukr reich lie in beds and are being treated, but these guys sleep on the floor. because i

repeat once again, we are russians and we are those russians. what they wanted to make them believe, that no, that we are orcs that we are modern yes, here we are and we can do this and so will those who from them must be cured. we will cure, and those who should be condemned for a crime that will be investigated by the court, and not by lawlessness. as they did with our wounded, with our prisoners, with many in their country , without trial or investigation, killing pus in prisons, and so on and so forth, including with the participation of one of them, we will have everything according to the law and yes, we will gnash our teeth . and ask this question. why do we have no options to be different, because as soon as we stop being different, as soon as we come there as punishers. we won't have an answer right away. why did we come

who ask there are many why you came to us. and when we say that we have come to set you free, brothers. we must come there as brothers and liberators, and yes, we will ask questions, as many ask them. why do they go out without handing in their weapons? here's the answer. many people asked me yesterday, i was talking about this on the air, why do they go out without weapons with weapons. they go out and fold. yes, i can now ask the question that how much they have a little light infantry, and where are the machine guns, and where is everything else, and so on. i think that special trained people will clean it up. i think that they will clean it up when they all surrender, we need everyone to surrender. and this is also why we do what we do and will gnash our teeth and do. yes, i do not have an answer to the question of my friends, who showered us with them since yesterday. and why do they surrender without raising their hands, hands are a symbol of surrender, raised hands, and we knew that the marines of the thirty-sixth brigade,

who surrendered and we saw these shots , knew perfectly well how they surrender and walked to surrender with their hands up. i don't have an answer to the question. why do they come out with their hands up? want to hear my answer to yourself. i don’t know why this is so, probably, it must be so, for some reason and for some reason, in order to give us this bubble of hatred and this fake world this fake country that was created by some kind of russia so that we can have it well, roughly speaking , this bubble will open and turn many of them into normal people. they can many of them become normal people. because now i know it for sure during interrogations, many of them immediately switch to very even, correct and direct russian. i don't justify them. i'm talking about the fact that we must understand this, that if we came there to break through this bubble of lies of fakes and the idea of ​​ourselves as what about them, as something like that, we must be different.

we must be people, especially since they, including with this story, their captivity continue to reflash ukrainian society by those who created it this way and for this it is enough to read the headlines of western media that they continue to put some unreal reality into their heads with this neuro-linguistic programming, which continues to remake it, telling that this is some kind of exchange, that this is some kind of battle, that they are performing a combat mission, and so on, and the like, here it is, the endless evacuation. this is a continuation of the same bubble, inside of which they burned the flags. they burned to it, i did not remove the monuments, but in the end, those who did it, and the country that did it, forced them to do so. they will find themselves in the same situation. prisoners who will be surprised that they are being treated because they are being treated humanely. and some of

them are not all of them, and some of them will think, and some of them will have changes in consciousness, both among these and among those who will find out about it anyway, if only because they are watching us there too. now i know for sure that they watch it here and there, and they will hear it. and that's only when we behave like this and we achieve it like that, only then we will actually win, because our victory is not in killing them. it's them they want to kill kill kill soldiers women children just russians through the mouths of their statesmen write about this mayor in their big cities. they write about it on tv , they talk about it, they boil with this hatred. we also have it, but it’s different and our victory will be exactly when we wipe this rotten bubble, and we’ll pierce it, and then we’ll pierce it, and for this we need to remain human, no matter how difficult it is sometimes, and no matter how the teeth didn't creak. by the way,

yesterday we started talking about this on the air with dmitry steshin as a special correspondent for komsomolskaya pravda. and he told me a very interesting conversation that he had just with one of these people who were coming out of these catacombs a few days ago and they had a conversation with one of them. well, why did we collide at all and he said, as i remember a young eighteen-year-old boy from lvovskaya, in my opinion, more ludins collided with wicked people with people. so here we need to stay moon and this is the most important thing. win it, but it will take to go through difficult trials, as on the battlefield, as with such stories, about which we will now just continue to talk with dmitry steshin, who has been listening to us all this time. hello dmitry. good afternoon. yesterday we were forced to interrupt because the ether ended. you said a lot of interesting things, i'm sure you have even more. tell us, we are listening to you with impatience about

today about yesterday the day before yesterday. let's go today according to official data. this is the only reliable data territorial equipment. the dpr left 962 people from the territory of azov in the middle of the day yesterday. they came out at night, the guys from the front line told me that they just crawled like cockroaches from all the cracks until 10:00 pm. they crawled out to them. even the whole thing, the road is illuminated by flares, because the whole area on the lunar landscape is there. it is difficult for a normal healthy person to move through these fragments of the wounded, they did not all come out, because many of the bunkers were filled up. uh. just yesterday, yes, i was alone there, and the fighter was sitting with azov and began to explain how it means that it is right to hide the bunker with a bomb 500. it should be three hits in one place at one point, first

the building of the workshop collapses from the roof. then it means that a funnel is planned and already the third bomb breaks through this hmm six-meter concrete pillow to the very bunker, but it’s clear that it’s very difficult how to bomb it, and as i understand it, ours, well, it doesn’t exactly hurt, because according to him, of course, it was scary, creepy during the bombing of them it was jamming, but they were sitting in their bunkers playing counter-strike next door. actually, they, uh, one of the founders of the battalion is now the azov regiment, yes. he introduced himself to me and said that, well, in principle, we would sit there until the new year. well, it is clear that all this needs to be shared. uh, not much even in half. uh, water, they had no food. for a long time already 10 days, probably, at the time of delivery, and in fact, there were no prospects. they first here according to their stories, as they told me

. they therefore believed in the diplomacy. they are they even drew some schemes of counterattacks towards them, they believed that they might be taken from the sea, then they were promised an air bridge by video, like a pause in stalingrad for the army, but in the end they didn’t even drop, they didn’t even try to throw at azov, there was nothing there, no ammunition, no products. well it is clear. we have everything blocked by air defense there. yes, it is difficult to do this. and our negotiating team that worked with them. well, why did i find their weak point, and ours was not cunning, not deceived in such difficult negotiations, it is difficult to lie, you are looking for compromises. here i failed talk to one of the members of the negotiation group. and their thinnest point is in the defense system. eh, let's say mental. so it was that at some point they realized that kiev did not absolutely need them alive, but a regiment of a battalion, then half of the goats, you need to understand that this is an

extraterritorial, military formation on the territory of ukraine, we still don’t even know for sure, to whom he reported, and we just know that he was very well financed. here, they stood up for each of the people with whom i spoke. they had gear there for one and a half to two and a half thousand dollars very expensive. nikolashnikov were. well, our dear old kalashnikovs have other weapons. no, it was not in an expensive body kit, well, for reference. a good collimator sight is already for 100,000 rubles. it’s worth it and in kiev they understood that if they became the predators of azov, as their militias call the private security company azovstal, they will pull them out of there, then they will have to bring them to kiev to arrange a triumph for them, they will become heroes of ukraine and start asking questions. why were they trapped. why didn't anyone block them? and why is this happening there at all, uh, we practically liberated the territories of the lc. uh, and

a rather serious territory along the coast of the sea of ​​\u200b\u200bazov is now the inland sea of ​​russia . why does the kiev political authorities allow this? here, well, i don’t know their tensions , there was a possible storm by the bank and a new coup and so on. well, in general, kiev needed the dead. and since the guys there are all young , here are those with whom i talked, well, up to 30, well, beards. of course, they seriously age change. well, yes, but up to 30 most of them, uh, matured. there they became adults somewhere on the verge. here is the last maidan in the fourteenth year, and it's understandable. for 8 years propaganda has formed from them. well, the personality of a certain warehouse. well, that is, in this sense, we are really dealing not only with specific people who surrender, but with a certain product of the country, which all lived, in this, in this state, respectively, i have a question for you . here you are, as i understand it

, you talked to them, you asked them some questions. you here they said this word several times here, that they believed, they believed in one thing in another in the third. how do you find it? their psychological state now, because if a person believed in something for a long time, and then he had to do something unthinkable. and it's only been 2 months. we remember the radish on february 26, which was going to counter-attack there, go and so on. they have some kind of moral breakdown in those with whom you are talking, or are they people who just really focused on some new reality. how do you rate them? well, this group, with which i spoke, did not perform two functions, firstly, they were, as it were, representatives of the surrendering parties. secondly, they had the task of clearing the passage under which they had to go out, they immediately stood under the railway line and pipelines and the part of this avenue that they did not have time to mine, and

secondly, they had to look accordingly. yes, but how is the line of behavior of the psychological surrenderers. yes, they have to show that they don’t really need it. that's why they were clean enough. they didn't look defeated. this is how i put it in my report. they looked like losers, losers in one battle for the call of steel. and at the same time, they did not look into our eyes, yes, they looked in their own, well , it is clear that no aggression, no rudeness. we there asked them different questions about the russian language in ukraine. and and how did i ask them? why did we sort it out bloody then, you well, because my friend, a militiaman, who has been fighting there since the fourteenth year, is also a journalist. him disability. he was wounded under the airport by the fourteenth fragment of a tank shell. well, he went through a lot there and this war was looking for him all his life , he surprisingly found a common language with one

of the azov people. i even left them there, they stood there for about an hour and talked, this azovian has also been fighting since the fourteenth year, when we were already hanging up, we got to our car on a terrible day. it must be understood that there is a whole problem to get there. there it was possible to stumble upon a residual group of some of these azov people and our also not good enough. yes, jump out to our post. here, but i would say, i say i forgave, i say, this one. well, that is, no, he told me that after the war i would have sat down with this before the subway, i would have had a drink and talked. and i know how vlad was on them. he is angry, he fled from poltava there in the fourteenth year, he left to fight, everything will be abandoned. i say, have you forgiven them? he says, no, he says, i have not forgiven them. he will not become my friend, not my brother. but it is a worthy enemy. this is the first uh, which means from the oncoming prisoners who did not pretend to be a cook in signalmen did not fiddle, nor drizzle. i say, well, we still

defeated them. but he says to me, well, yes, well, it was a difficult victory but about the fact that you said that they did not look, but defeated, but looked like losers, a question that is now a lot, but is being discussed, although, well, he discussed in a sense, out of the blue, because we do not know what will happen to them next. we all believe that whoever committed the crime will end up in captivity at well will be in court. i understand you correctly that, according to your feelings, most of them, if they have them with all the fact that they were deceived and abandoned, and nobody needs them alive, that if they have the opportunity to take up arms again, they will take up arms again and will fight with us again or or you know a staunch nazi, uh, and remember nadya savchenko with a vitamin pill, there, supposedly a pilot. yes, i was on her judge. there still had

to somehow cross paths to communicate with her in just a couple of months. e, when she was in our prison, and with conversations in the evenings over tea and a cigarette, she were able to put the bridge in place. so this fifth to those who have not messed themselves up, she understands that she got up the basics. there's not only half the goats. there were a lot of e rabble parts of the coastal aron, even the ministry of emergencies, the mariupol border detachment, and for the detachment, e, the remnants of the defeated marines in 501 brigades. here to them. i don't think there will be many questions. well, these are military combatants who took the oath. by the way, they are the same azov people to me. yes, they seem to be one of the explanations. why did they fight so fiercely against us. they say we took an oath. at our country, for example, for me, yes, here, they took an oath with the same. well, it's hard to argue with that. yes, but we will have to argue and we will have to convince them. but i think there will be

time for this, yes, in taganrog, the pre-trial detention center is still being restored somewhere else in the donbass, and one of the representatives of our negotiating group, with whom i spoke there informally already. well, sitting right at all on the border of this azov stood there under the pipeline. he said, please, you will write, and don't forget that we started this process, uh with mercy, because yes, the process, er, of the surrender of azov, began and began with what they began to endure earlier. here are the first groups that came out. i saw that they were wounded and the people who carried the stretcher looked no longer like the talks on the sapper group, rather dull and dirty in some kind of t-shirts. and by the way, one of the azov residents, when i asked him, i say, well, he asked how he was there with cigarettes there, tea, coffee, food. he told me so, i say the internet connection, he told me so diplomatically, well, everyone has it differently in different bunkers in different ways. that there is here it is necessary to understand that someone was sitting there in bestial conditions, and someone felt

enough. here. i hope, i hope that now this will be the task of our military investigation agencies. determine who is from which bunker. and who is made of what test? i have an extreme question for you in terms of meaning, since you are there and, as i understand it, you communicate with members and our negotiation group. can you answer this question and do you know that a lot of my brother-soldiers ask me this question for people who fought this sign why don't they come out with their hands up? why do they surrender without raising their hands, although this is a generally accepted sign, you have an understanding. why is it so? well, the simplest explanation is to go very far from the place where they, on the border of azov, began to drop armor plates of weapons and helmets in these ruins, and before the exit, already directly. e to those who meet. yes, they go uncontrolled along the azov steel fence along the embankment avenue. eh, on the other hand. they have a wide floodplain of the kalmios river there

with reeds. there to go a little two kilometers, probably and uphill. well, i don't know, maybe, well, i'm well, the only explanation, yes, which i can practically give. i understand you. thank you very much dimitri. it is very important that you, who are there, who communicate every day with people who fought are fighting and will continue to fight and will risk their lives, that you also uttered this word, which is very important for our russian culture for our mentality mercy. it is very important. thank you very much for this story for this conversation. we will discuss this further. thank you big. it was dmitry steshin, special correspondent of komsomolskaya pravda, who, well, told what he sees and what he can feel there on the spot, being next to azot where, insisting on this wording, they surrender, and the azov people and not only the azov people, as you have heard now, respectively, the question is where i started after all.

this is surrender, this breakdown for that ukraine that still remains. here in this bubble is the idea that they are winning, that they have launched a counteroffensive there. will be in soon rostov in moscow and so on. what does it mean? you probably follow the local social networks for the local ones, publics and so on, that they know about it, what they think about it. they, unfortunately, so far the whole situation with steel, but absolutely far from the perception of how it happened in ukraine, er, a tragedy, but found it eccentric. there, indeed , everyone says that this is victory, that this is the fulfillment of the order of the commander-in-chief zelensky, who ordered them to surrender and stay alive. moreover, it is not said, not that they surrender, not that that they hand over their weapons, not that they don’t excuse me, they go to be treated and kept in cities that

are under the control of the dpr ukrainians surrender, and other ukrainians control them, because zelensky and e, the deputy minister of defense and all the rest, in our rivermen. they say that everything is under the control of ukraine, there is a ukrainian, red cross, ukrainian counterintelligence, ukrainian, ukrainian negotiations were observed. who are watching and it turns out paradox, but he does not go to the ukrainians. some ukrainians surrender, and others, allegedly they control them and transport them, uh, into captivity to russia, but they don’t say that this territory is on the cities of novoazovsk elenovka, they even call it olenevka uh, to uh maximally uh, to throw dust in

uh -e in the eyes. uh, and and while i will give, while this is all the business of the ukrainians. this is a lie, a lie rides a lie. eh, drive and drive. this stupor, any other deviation is severely cut off up to persecution. i'm sorry. well, and here the most difficult question arises, which many people ask, about which many people argue. uh, in my environment i'm sure that in yours and you are with each other. probably argue, if we see that the other side of our mercy is not able to evaluate our human relations for whom? why are we doing this? what do we want to achieve with this. and what kind of phenomenon is this? hello will father changed his mind.

i'm ready for no trial, no investigation. your honor just came to us the premiere of a serial movie tomorrow after the time program, just do not make any unnecessary movements so as not to harm yourself and yours. will show we continue to work live. i started the program today with the fact that for me personally, despite the importance of news, as news on the current agenda about what is happening around azov in connection with the surrender of their captivity. and that we meet them there, that we take them away, that they work with them, the investigator, filtering, and so on. in fact, for me, this is a

conversation that is much more important, much more complex about that, well, how would our approach to what declared and declared themselves antines, who declared us enemies and headed ours for our destruction and actually does not hide it and we respond. this is how it really is, here, uh, and therefore, on a specific occasion and in general, there are many disputes about whether it is necessary and not necessary. so many people say that here we are, like this, and that's why we seem to be like that, that if we trimmed it so a little bit, now, how would it all be under the root, maybe then we would stop jumping less. what do you think about everything this is? well, what angers us is quite natural. here at this stage of communication with what is happening. what happened yesterday these days was happening in mariupol, this, of course, is a lie and the fact that the authorities in ukraine, with the connivance of their western friends, who also show miracles of propaganda in this matter, declares surrender as a prisoner

. and he is trying to prove, as they just said, that this is almost some kind of victory. just imagine 43 and goebbels. he says that the sixth army is being evacuated. stalingrad, our heroes will save their lives to continue the fight. we all of germany are glad that we won this victory and so on, but even notice the death did not come to this, because mourning was declared throughout germany and oaths of allegiance were sworn there, anything. so, note, at the same time, that the surrendering fighters of the pouess army did not set, for example, the conditions not to remove them upon surrender. and these people set conditions not to remove them upon surrender. and we, as far as i know, in general, in some respects i don’t know, therefore upon surrender or not, in my opinion, they remove it, judging by

the fact that you show the crankcases. but uh it’s clear that in this story we are between power and charybdis, that’s the issue o on the one hand, there is no complete trust in society, at least the participation of society in the fact that, for some reason of their own, the authorities will not want to, say, exchange prisoners or do something else. i explain that yesterday, for example, at the beginning of the plenary session, one of our deputies. you know, he immediately announced that it was necessary to adopt a law, a decision, a decision, he was support that criminals should never be returned without trial, and i fully support this that criminals cannot be brought without trial . on the other hand, it is clear that if we abuse, here at this stage, when not everyone has surrendered to mariupol and yet to come. i

hope to surrender to very many people in non-morality on our part to tell that kolyma is inevitable for all of them, the death penalty. eh, everything. time to repeat one newly elected faction leader devoted an entire speech to the need for a mortal execution, reinstatement, and so on. maybe it needs to be restored. only in this case, keep in mind that this whole procedure is going on, and at this moment to tell that the horror that we are preparing this for you means to drag out this whole process, and i know for sure that the people who are leading us this work is very much requested that we do not abuse these stories that terrible terrible awaits them. first of all, i don't blame you ; there are enough people to blame in this regard. including among my colleagues, i want to say that we must to understand the following, everything that steshin said. now once again indicates that, after all, the smell is an element of the essence of the civil war

absolutely and the civil war, let me remind you, i saw examples of everything. we have the most ambitious at the beginning of the 20th century and walking through the torments alexei tolstoy wrote, where, on the one hand, first there was then on the other side, and so on, the heroes of this walking through the minds. this is all likely, it is obvious that it was written 100 years ago that fanatics are murderers rapists and so on beyond any doubt. yes, neither can they give out to anyone. they must go through the court, but to prove the court even in nuremberg it was a tribunal, although everyone was obviously clear. it lasted , let me remind you, for several months, almost a year lasted for all this to be. for documenting, but simply calling for some kind of lynching and indiscriminate indiscriminate there. uh, punishing everyone, regardless of whether it is personal

guilt, proven, it is not proven. it means to stand on the same level that you talked about on the same board with those who oppose us and and uh crime, oh, which we expose today , this is important to understand. it seems to me in connection with everything that is happening, and the last thing i have to say, of course, this should not continue indefinitely when we, uh, take prisoners. and they tell us that we don’t take anyone, on the contrary, i’ll remind you that even during the great patriotic war, our high command stalin had to lead prisoners through the center of moscow for t- why did he do this in order to show that they are these captured, so that they are not destroyed in the first place. secondly, they are and they are not walking here with their hands up, but they are walking all over the entire garden ring, and they do not expect us to be sure. it all depends on how the

other side behaves, but in the end, i do not rule out at all that sooner or later the prisoners, including those who will now have to be held in the center, donetsk or in the center of lugansk, where they were captured, this is not on our territory now, this is on the territory of the donetsk people's republic and judge them. by the way, speaking, they must also, according to the laws of not russian federation of the donetsk people's republic , where it is, the city of mariupol. in fact, two interesting paradoxes for me are in what you said, but a very bright paradox is that we really are in the information society, when there is the internet, when everything is filmed, when cameras are everywhere, but now proving the fact of surrender, and thousands of enemy soldiers, with all these cameras on the internet, and so on, is more difficult than it was during the great patriotic war, when there was no internet and that's it. it was impossible take and immediately transfer this photo in germany.

this indicates how much this world of fakes is, how much it is in general. that's how much ukraine is in the first place, because it seems to me that she has set another record in order to imagine the surrender of a prisoner military defeat. it’s not just like, well , it’s not very scary, but like a victory, it seems to me that this is for those who beckon with us, and who believes what the ukrainian says, one more reason to make sure the difference between reality interpretation agrees, too very a good addition, that really, it's the same . indeed, it's our own to imagine such a thing that people even managed to do in this situation. not just, as any side would do, let's be honest, but to somehow belittle, well, the extent of the defeat. no, it's completely sincere. well, that is, like this with the full program. here we have found the right words, that is, the level of the fact that this parallel world is so parallel. although it would seem that everything can be removed. right now you can shoot this piece of the studio and in a second it will act. everything can be checked, but

nevertheless. well, uh, i don’t even know if it’s worth showing these examples of zelensky to this very painter, as they say it doesn’t matter, but there is, here is the second very important point, and we are still visualizing it now reflect. so let's remove the map of mariupol and return to the map of ukraine from the map of hostilities. oh, because the second thing is the most important thing that our viewers need to understand, which many justified, so to speak, well param. so, that's what we are soaring why are we with them back and forth, because here there is still a lot of things our guys have to do and what is now being done near mariupol with the azov people. here , i think, they no longer live in such a parallel world as in kiev. i think, here, everything is here in these boilers or the floor, boilers, everyone knows everything and is closely watching it. therefore, what is being done there now is a question of how it will move here and it is a question of how many of our soldiers will not be killed by those ukrainian soldiers

who will surrender, realizing following the example of mariupol, what is it possible? this is such an important story, and the work, as i understand it, is still wow. well, in fact, of course, now it is already brewing, but a new boiler. it has actually already been created. or rather, not even a new boiler, but a new commissioning, this solution to the situation with the north will take place in the near future. lisichansk because when they took it dangerously, uh, which blocked the main supply road, or is it now a city that just hangs over severodonetsk and helped defend just this agglomeration. uh, fate is sealed here. and there, well, according to the minimum estimates of 14.000. many people say that even up to 20.000 uh- huh a vsu and the national battalion. basically, you sum, of course, and it is natural that they evaluate the situation that is happening in mariupol. yes, they see it. that's from what they talked about when they say that they are

evacuating somewhere, but these are from mariupol and people, uh, unclear, not obvious situation. you know, i would say so, in fact, but this may even be a good thing. in the sense that they it will be much easier to make a decision to surrender. they will also think that we are not evacuating somewhere either, of course, under the white hands they are being led by the fighters of the luhansk people's militia and into the meaning of the russian federation and chechen units, but they will think that we are being evacuated somewhere. let's not have your story anymore, maybe not. this is not the point, but here it is brewing one, but a cauldron, and the second, of course, avdiivka must be understood that avdiivka is a place where they are rushing with their last strength. uh, guys from the dpr, i know myself a witness, but the events around this hmm well, not gorodok, but let's say the agglomeration of the sands of krasnogorovka avdeevka and up to kramatorsk and

e, slavyansk there are the main artillery positions that destroy the fifteenth, in my opinion, artillery brigades and so on. here they are just naturally, and offensive pairs of guys and the people's militia of the dpr, of course, he was initially very strong and put a lot of guys. well, it was in the beginning, then it stopped. now they are just clamped down, i know. already in the sands are already located, when they have already approached the kovdeevka. this will be stronger than mariupol. because when we demolish this artillery position, then for the first time in donetsk, the people, who are freckled in gorlovka makeevka, will fall asleep without a cannonade. and what it will be, but in fact an emotional moment for them, because everyone who was there, well , it’s impossible, of course, the night is long from the end and the fact that you don’t notice the morning in the afternoon, because you work and so on there, yes you shoot, and at night canada and so on people live with it. and when is it

will happen. here it will be. look, mariupol is, of course, the greatest political victory, which, as it were, was not hidden, it is a victory that is already being considered in the un, they know that they are surrendering and they know that people are surrendering, who will judge, at least some, since it is clear that they are are guilty of war crimes, but a military victory and with the next is severodonetsk, this is already, as it were, the end of the grouping of the closure, and the capture of avdiivka. this is a complete collapse. this is the situation and, in general, the defeat of the main position. and apu and the national battalion further, by and large, they have . eh, there are also subsidiaries, this is izyumskaya here, look, we said right, of course, they have it, and then the rate is again for each city. as a node of resistance, each city taught resistance, but this cannot continue for long. we even know that i know that in the dnieper, for example, there is a very serious, as if attitude to what is

happening local elites, they don’t want to be turned into a fortified area at all, and they can do it, because they go to turn into something , into what azov turned marium. that's it. yes, yes, and in odessa, too, such a situation is basically, so well , in general, i would say that there is ekaterina slav if initially. well, let's finish the job, and then we will decide ekaterina slave, dnepropetrovsk is there. well, yes, actually, that's an interesting detail. you said about this cannonade and everything, uh, these are the nuances that, of course, they are not felt. mm, in moscow, it's not even about the cannonade. i have one person. so, when i was here recently, he told me this thing, i did not even immediately understand, he told me. we say that a generation has grown up in donetsk that never saw the dawn. i say, as i say, that you don't meet here, curfew

curfew, that is, because it's all prefrontal all the time, that is, you can imagine people. well, they don’t know at all what it is there in the morning there at 4 o’clock. that's how young people go there at 4-5 to go meet the dawn, curfew. this is to the question of, here you say, a rush in donetsk and there and luhansk then what they want. it’s this, this is my last question for you about, after all, ukrainian society and so on, then the coat has passed the constant. fedorovich said that it really infuriates. it's annoying. you can do as much as you want. if to speak? yes, they are sick. yes, they are zombies. yes, they are here and there, but nonetheless. and where is the turning point to this parallel world. which is broadcast from here, and broadcast here from there, so that changes to reality begin in it. here's what you need for this you need to get somewhere, or or when this feathers begin, in short, he asks like this, where do you think we need to get to, so that in this parallel

world it becomes impossible. it's hide. it's very hard for me to say where to go. it would be better to liberate all of ukraine, but this is impossible and the first condition is unambiguously unambiguous. you correctly said mercy - this is the only correct terrible heavy, and most importantly, costly material and human resources. but this is the only correct way, which can, even to the most stubborn, the most stubborn, but who has not lost something human in himself, to prove that this is an operation. not occupation, not aggression, but liberation and excuse me of salvation. this is the first moment. and, of course, of course, they will sprinkle. eh, definitely. since the azovites also fell down, when they start, uh, these long-awaited, long -prepared victories, uh, victories in these boilers in these environments. uh, when and when it won’t be that’s

what they said about that the russians came to kill everyone to drive to rot to turn the enemy here it will not happen. and then. as a matter of fact, the more. russia will have victories, the more bugbears there will be. uh, for everyone else, there's resistance right now. basically, it's useless. uh, there's nothing wrong with surrendering in evacuation. uh, the russians are here, don’t spread rot, don’t kill, and everything will be fine, and then enlightenment will come hard for 30 years. impossible fascism was slaughtered there ; uh, uh, even in kherson they say that high degree about ukrainianness, but already not enough for machine guns, not shouting at a muscovite, there are city lunatics, but they stop and everything , moreover, sony troops no, in fact. yes, his claim, no, and he keeps holding on to the instinct of

self-preservation. i repeat. uh, mercy and russian victories will turn on the instinct of self-preservation. and this is the most important thing for insight. soon i wanted to say that a few hours ago i met with the head of the administration of the temporary administration of raisins, vladislav, who escaped to moscow for a day, sokolov yeah, you know, he came to solve a lot of problems. there is no gas, no light, no water, heavy heat on the eve of future months, we need to resolve issues, but he came in order to resolve the issue of how to help start schools faster, because schools in the city of raisins, raisins are under shelling at the moment. they don’t even ask them to install windows, because they still have these glasses, the film will fly out and close it all, but the people there are determined by those who stayed there to live, they are determined to that one must continue to live and one must understand what the city of izyum is, the city of izyum, in which there were three

enterprises under the soviet regime, and in fact there was only one, in which 10,000 people used to work, and under the ukrainian authorities 1,500 people, an instrument-making plant. this is a city from which everyone left to work during the ukrainian time. they understand that the ukraine of additional operations is not able to maintain its own territory. they link their future with russia and. by the way, this is a question about, but about the fact that ukraine is not not so to speak, unable to maintain their territory. another very important addition, which shows the complexity of everything that is happening here and this parallel world. and now in donetsk there are very big problems with water. why in donetsk there are very big problems with water, because water supply. yes, the supply was organized in such a way that the water went from about here and to mariupol too, that is, roughly speaking, the water supply went through donetsk to mariupol , and while mariupol was ukrainian, they were forced to

to give water to donetsk as soon as mariupol became non- ukrainian, the people who live there and who stayed there ceased to interest them. although it seems like you never know mariupol, everything was blocked. here, accordingly, there is no water, and here there is water. not there, here, the city of izyum, gas comes from kramatorsk. and since the kramator is still under ukraine, that gas is nowhere to be found. and here is our gas, by the way. here, in fact, now we will continue about the fact that it all didn’t start here. it's not designed here. it that's all and that's what's in the head of those who construct it. and continues to indulge it. this is largely important for understanding what will happen next here. show continue to work live live discuss. as a matter of fact, what is happening in the camp of those, as it were, those big world

forces, well, which, in general, contributed to what happened, what happened to ukraine and weighs this conflict, which is beneficial and necessary for them and which actually does not calm down. news of recent days that finland sweden have embarked on this dangerous path, and joining nato , in theory, should have been clear after february 24 that this is a dangerous path? enter to expand on there to the east, but nevertheless applications by them, er, are transferred to the nato secretary general and the secretary general. nato jens, stoltenberg radiates some kind of optimism, so to speak. truth. give me back this photo. i don't know, maybe the finnish representative always has such an expression on his face, but somehow he has it. i seem to have mixed feelings. yes, and the swede too somehow radiantly glad, that is, yes, they have, that is, there is such a feeling that this one, as it were, well, i did it, i do it, put such things what will happen.

you what will you where we where, what have i done, where? i generally where i such builder compress? well, i don’t know, maybe he always has an expression that feels like he lived in a vacuum, he’s so serious. yes, especially since not only have they embarked on such an incomprehensible, as it were, very dumb path , and now they will have to listen to a lot of things from erdogan, who do not know to what degree believes that e says that, like, guys, don’t even be offended, don’t dream of any nato, you won’t see the swedes, because you supported those who don’t need to be supported and just, as you forget, it’s generally ridiculous , but i don’t know, i think that erdogan, of course, also solves some of his own issues, which is generally normal in politics. solve your issues by squeezing something in exchange. e on something, because erdogan understands that for some reason someone needs the finns and swedes to be in nato, that means. under this, you can bargain for something. here now came, another party. uh, so the erdogan administration once again declared sweden will not be able to join nato until

turkey's just concerns are resolved, i think that the first part should be read here sweden will not be able to join nato until, and then i think there is a list of demands that erdogan addresses not to sweden, not to finland, i think the capital of some completely different, uh, states is addressing. well actually. eh, this is it. uh, how yes the claims of the turks. here's me, as a matter of fact interested. it’s not even the situation with turkey’s attitude and even turkey’s trade regarding finland , sweden in nato, i’m not interested in another issue that is more relevant for us, because about the entry of sweden and finland a into nato and the prospects for this and our reaction. the president speaks. eh, calm enough. let me remind you of this. as for the expansion of the expansion of the north atlantic alliance yes, this is a problem that is being created in my opinion, it is completely artificial, since this is done in the interests of

the external and foreign policy interests of the united states should generally be used as an instrument of foreign policy, in fact. e, on the one hand, well is done quite persistently skillfully and very aggressively, this aggravates everything that is already difficult. eh, the international security situation , with regard to expansion, including through the new members of the finnish alliance, sweden in russia would like to inform you dear colleagues. there are no problems with these states, and therefore in this sense, uh, directly threats for us, expansion at the expense of these countries is not created for russia, but the expansion of the military infrastructure into this territory will certainly provoke our response . and what it will be we will look at, based on the threats that will be created for us, that is, in general, the problem is created from scratch. and this is where my first question arises. well, it’s not that the question is some kind of misunderstanding that and in the case of ukraine, we even

considered the prospect of some kind of conversation about the fact that something, somewhere, they would take it somewhere, obviously a threat to their interests, and in the case of sweden , finland, the approach is somewhat different. we say that, in principle, we have no particular problems with them. and if there is an infrastructure, then we will think that there are somewhat different approaches, and in this sense , speaking, uh, well, either somewhat different or fundamentally different. and just now, by the way, i just noticed that finally we have the lpr e dnr painted over with the right color on this map. although i think green would be correct. well, this is not for me to decide. oh, and let's not run forward. or maybe it’s green there, more after a while, but it will appear, that it’s useless to waste paint, so that later everything can be painted green, as it should be, but the question is about ukraine, about which we said that, in in principle, they are not ready to discuss the question of what it will someday even theoretically be. because it is a threat to us and, in general, when they did not hear us and let us know that

no one is interested in our positions. we launched a special military operation, including e, in connection with this, and now the question arises. we are we must understand that no matter where we reach in a special military operation, he does not want to say offensive words, so i will politely say a stub, and which will remain yes, the rest, which will remain in a completely obvious way in nato, will be taken here we are discussing. that's where erdogan is bargaining , puts forward some demands. something about some kind of consensus, it’s clear that in the case of any ukraine in any form, this can be resolved very quickly, given that already now this, uh, so to speak, is here in the country or i don’t know how it is name. well, here is the news about how the minister of foreign affairs of ukraine well yelled, as they write about the minister of defense of germany, she is very revealing. let me remind you, please. the head of the ukrainian foreign ministry lost

patience in a conversation with kristen lambrecht, as reported in kiev, a sharp conversation took place between kuleba and lambrecht, kuleba came to germany and in a personal conversation. he asked lambrich to give an honest answer regarding the supply of the promised tanks, cheetah, kulib, asked germany to supply the missing to ukraine as soon as possible ammunition or admit that the topic has been removed from the agenda , and so here the question arises. or rather, not even a question. he is rhetorical. after all , i perfectly understand what kind of sherkhan this is, so the jackal gave tobacco. a go-ahead that he can talk to german ministers like that. i understand perfectly well why not to the end, right? why the german ministers - this tolerates for me is only an indicator that it is quite obvious that this regime of complete favor for any remaining part of ukraine will be and it will be us and will not be, because on what so to say membership or misfortune. in general, this is a formal question. we have already noted that in independence,

ukraine was a member of nato until february 24, it was not a member. and what's more, everyone said it and it won't be what we need coming mid- term. well, it was in ukraine all this time, so in this case, which you are talking about in the future, nato will be in ukraine, but ukraine itself will not be in nato, because why should they bind themselves with obligations, they will need to incite this remnant of ukraine so that they want to become whole, but look not to make a commitment in fact. and you figured me out faster than i expected, well, you can't drink away skill. yes, my question was not about the fact that nato membership is not nato membership, we understand that in the light of what has already happened and in the light of what kind of policy, how the west would start we understand perfectly well that no matter what piece remains limit yourself to what kind of weapons they have. what kind of weaponry? they will place nothing there regardless of netanya, that is, you understand the conventions that we talked about, except for nuclear weapons, except perhaps up to some point for

nuclear weapons, and it turns out to be an interesting moment. what is what we formally. at least it looks like it. so something from which we tried to protect ourselves and warn what to do? this is not necessary. now, with an even greater guarantee, it will be made on some remaining piece. no, you see, we've been faced with the fact that for eight years, we've been trying to convince. and counted in this respect on the understanding of other participants in the normandy format of the european states of germany france that they understand the danger that this issue will not be resolved by peaceful negotiations on the basis of agreements that they themselves signed, but as it turned out vaska listened and ate and in this case germany and france simply. well , maybe they weren’t the initiators to such an extent, but they calmly watched or, at least, looked submissively at how the americans and all the other british continue to excite ukraine

and plan to plan what it will be used for. as a weapon against russia, in any case, no one told ukraine to stop, the minsk agreements cannot be neglected. why did we act this way in the case of ukraine because ukraine is part of our world, whether it wants it or not. it was for many centuries a part of our country, finland yes, it was also part of the russian empire for 100 years, but this cannot be compared from any point of view with the stay of ukraine or what was called the mentality and language and culture, this completely different stories, as far as it's concerned. excuse the last thing i want to say about understanding that no matter what happens, if something remains under the feet of zelensky some kind of land, this land will be nazified, militarized and will be completely under control. there is no doubt in the west for sure, since there should be no doubt that although finland and sweden were not members of nato but it was part of the western bloc, i see. that's all. and in what formally do they

become members of nato, but at the same time they were like that, as they were, and there are western ones, in fact, nikita sergeevich i, uh, this rhetoric should not be put on nato there fedor is absolutely right, in general, membership in nato is not membership in nato, especially now after february 24th. this is all already such a conditional matter. here, after all, the question is, why many people ask this question, that we have this whole story here. once upon a time, reda could potentially, perhaps, begin to pose some kind of threat to us, because there are so many and so many flights from kharkov to moscow. we are now we're guaranteed to get a story when some piece of this is left, if it's left, it 's going to be extremely militarized. extremely saturated with all this and, in fact, what guarantees us that he will someday cease to be a threat to us. i do not really understand, as well as those who ask me this question. well, if i'm not mistaken, uh, on the 24th, our president said that the goals of the special military operation are the dementalization of the identification of all of ukraine and no matter what piece

remains there, if it is called ukraine. exactly the same is subject, at least detailing. it's 100%. based on this. and let's imagine a situation where, really, well, the border of ukraine is changing somewhere, uh, as far west as possible, but there remains some kind of stronghold of ukrainian statehood, what is happening there already now, you can see how to this future. it refers within nato, literally today a washington post article was published, which says that the process of pumping up the countries of eastern europe and expanding the war for military contingents is already in progress france and italy are very concerned about infrastructure , and you won’t believe that even these germans, who are now being ignored, are nothing to the ukrainians. based on this, again, yes, let’s imagine that all of a sudden this, the remaining piece, becomes a member of the alliance. and then, just on its territory, i completely agree in this regard.

by the way, i don’t agree with one more thing, then this territory can potentially become a place for deploying nuclear weapons. i’ll explain why, because just recently, and the commander-in-chief of the joint forces, uh nato well, actually the american general announced that he would make the fundamental pact of the ninety-seventh year exist, but we will no longer refer to it , based on this. you are a member. by the way, this is very important and finland and sweden well, they are in the future. here is something there in ukraine that can become the very springboard for deploying nuclear weapons. and this is in my opinion. if you carefully look at our, uh, national security doctrine, there is a military one, and so on, it’s unthinkable. based on this, i can say what will be, uh, like what is the most tough and most likely again of a military-technical nature, as for sweden, finland is also a very important point. why did the president say that we have normal relations with them, as long as this threat does not pose the whole thing is in potential. at the moment, yes, sweden and finland

are countries that have been mastered by nato; there are nato structures there. they conducted various military exercises in cyberspace. at sea, even infantry. there they participated together from time to time, but we are our intelligence, glory. god works great. yes, and we are well aware that the current potential of sweden and finland, if it does not change, but they will be countries of the north atlantic alliance, does not pose a critical threat, but the expansion of military infrastructure, and even more so the deployment of nuclear weapons, which in my opinion is quite logical and actually the westerners themselves, and do not hesitate to voice it for us is unacceptable, the answer will again be quite tough and, of course , in the plane of a military-technical nature. but uh, i think the key point is how soon and at what stage. the special military operation will be successfully completed. here, in my opinion. this is the architecture of the alliance's further expansion of the threat alliance's military infrastructure.

after all. frankly, the missiles aimed at our country directly depend on how this is a specifically military operation. after the task all will be solved. as a result, uh, she will leave what she puts ukraine. this will be a fundamental moment. i just want to remind you that until recently , when negotiations were still going on, called about, and the world about some process. yes, there was a negotiation process. after all, they talked about guarantees of international guarantees, including those from the united states and europe and china and so on. and what is the main condition. as for the existence of ukraine as such, well , at least within the framework of that negotiation process, there was no bloc status, therefore, in my opinion, if something remains there, i am deeply convinced of this, it can remain condensed only if there is no block and if no, actually, the scenario that all these conversations block status not block status. all this is all already this is all already such verbal and caliberistics of the past, listen, we have, uh,

ministers of the british deputy minister are discussing today who could have thought about this six months ago, when the british deputy minister of defense talks about what, in principle, we can put uh, the ukrainians of the system, uh, from which they, in principle, can strike and on the territory of russia, we will not be participants in this. well type as though let long. what if the president of the united states says that we are supplying ukraine with more and more and more weapons that kill putin's soldiers, and so on and so forth. block status is not block status here of the past. now our hummingbirds are hitting lev, they are hitting western ukraine. why, then, is this a scenario in which we perceive any presence of a military contingent of foreign deployment of training bases there, we perceive it as a threat to our national security, we immediately answer, and the same will be if this piece remains, they will not have time to enter until the moment when nothing remains there. now you have

answered. now you have answered. well, at least they formally answered my question, what, in your idea of ​​the future, uh, the future of the architecture of this world, ukraine will be the territory on which we reserve, as it were, the right to strike, then and where we think that the determination of those who will be in power in ukraine will be restored. by that time, it will be this zelensky or it will be someone else. this will depends on how the special military operation will end correctly, how and when, and it will end not directly, but partly depends on what will be the economic component, how strong, and how successful we can resist the economic pressure on us, because that in general, wars, as we all know, are not fought for free, modern warriors are not fought for free here either. this is the economic component of the conversation about what is happening with gas what is with oil, what is with these embargoes, what is with these endless packets, it is very

important. i'm here, to be honest, i'm at a loss, because on the one hand bloomberg writes that it seems like the eu approved the schemes. e payment scheme for gas from the russian federation on the other hand. they tell their companies that they do not recommend using gas payment schemes. e from rubles, which means that the european union is preparing about this too, well, it also declares quite serious buildings that there is a certain political document that should be adopted this wednesday, the european commission calls on the countries members to prepare for a complete cutoff of russian gas supplies. and the one that you can now sort of buy for rubles, that is, they obviously have some sort of step forward, two steps back. this is seen not only in this. i'm not talking about the fact that e has lithuania calls to stop the transit of gases and oil from russia through ukraine and what also suggests that there may be some? these are words, maybe this is some kind of insane rhetoric, and so on, moreover? this is what is being said . that's about this inconsistency or i don’t know, i don’t understand that it’s not

only about energy carriers. this is about the same wheat, uh, that let's help ukraine get the wheat out of its storage, because they need to put a new crop there, despite the fact that everyone understands that wheat prices have already risen very evenly, because everyone understands what's not clear. will there be a new ukrainian harvest, but, apparently, there will be no new ukrainian harvest in the ukrainian territories, because the sowing campaign failed. at the same time, let's, we will take it out here from there, that is, obviously in the economic sense, konstantin vasilyevich a, or this is some kind of very tricky game, then decipher it, or this is already some kind of completely confusion and vacillation, please. well , we understand that the overall picture is quite clear in the european union, there are two big camps. the first camp says that there is certainly a priority task. uh, for the sake of fulfillment, which e is not even worth discussing everything else, including the economy, but this task is understandable, and support at any cost for ukraine and

the defeat of russia in every sense. here in this conflict, respectively. uh, this logic is most frankly pursued by, say, great britain and poland a and actually. they set this line, that no arguments on the topic of economic consequences for the european union are accepted now, because once again, i repeat, there is an obvious political task and that's it. the rest must be sacrificed, because, well, such patriotic talk on the topic of value continues to be put there. we uh-huh do not change the economy, respectively. let's pull the belts too, so nothing there let's lower the temperature in the houses nothing there an extra bun. well, in this logic, that is, it seems to them that the blow to the economy will not be destructive, that is, they consider it. it 's like, well, a necessary reduction in consumption, but

according to their version of russia, er, it will break faster. uh-huh, and the second group of countries. uh, of course, all this is not publicly declared, but we can include here the main western economies of continental europe . i mean both germany and france. despite both italy and austria, despite the political rhetoric, but the representatives of these states. they are well aware of how severe the economic consequences can be, and the business of these countries is well aware, because in fact this business is the locomotive of the european union is not that the main sponsor, let's say, well, the main country that pays the main contributions to the european union is germany and the main country receiving money from the european union is poland and, uh, this is actually a long-term statistic and in this regard, of course, a state that finance the european union are the main economies, but they have it in their heads. uh,

how severe will these consequences be. and now to the question of gas, because right now , at the end of may, such an important moment comes, it is connected with that. uh, right now in the main western european companies, the payment period for the last month is coming. and they must either switch to this scheme, or not switch with the prospect of cutting off supplies, respectively. by the way, finland, a finnish company, today declared that it would not switch to russian. in doing so we see the scheme that the main campaigns of germany italy austria are already neatly stating. well, they cannot directly say that they accepted it, but they are already saying that they are considering the option of opening an account with two shields in gazprombank. uh, we understand that it will still be public at the end of may, what are they paying? e for gas in rubles and actually. they ask

from the european commission. at least at this stage to confirm that this does not fall under the sanctions of the european commission. she too she tries like to save space, then for any conclusion that it doesn’t seem to prohibit, and the court didn’t allow two, but i repeat once again, there is a specific date when each company will have to pay for gas. this date will come at the end of may and now. um, if you go to the website of the european commission, there are old clarifications hanging there, which are very vague, but they really said it right, eh. over the weekend, the american agency bloomberg wrote that, after all, the european commission notifies the company that, in principle, until at this stage, it er, permits so to speak. e participation in this scheme and subject to the fulfillment of a number of conditions there, but they are fulfilled, they easily fulfill, because we understand, it is simply a matter of wanting to say that this action is violated, the action does not violate, because we can say that

no, it does not violate, because the company they transfer euros to gazprombank about kama many times, with whom they discussed themselves in circles, they don’t touch central banks. the cases do not have the conversion undertaken by gazprombank, that is, they can say that they they still pay in euros, technically speaking, they were evacuated technically speaking, and most importantly, the european commission should pretend that this is the way it is. that's actually and all. and here is the fight between. well, at least some kind of economic rationality and such completely political madness, but it continues. it will continue the sixth package of oil-themed sanctions. this is part of that. the very history, when some states openly say, well, we know there, for example, hungary is a textbook, that we can not fulfill your conditions. give us a special period, there and or and even better. give a period and pay. yes, and there began 7 places million. now it’s already 15 billion. well, this is also a normal story, what you are talking about

surprisingly correlates with what we started talking about, that it is clearer and brighter that there are two parallel worlds. one world of some, so to speak, ideologemes of pure politics that do not intersect with reality another world of reality, which somehow tries to survive, and they intersect less and less. how do you say i love you in japanese. i want to be impossible. tell me, when everything is over and i return to my homeland, you will go with me. today, as an ambassador, i made my first official appointment and appointed richard sorge as my first assistant, please love and favor. as far as i know, we only have one ramsay object in japan. this is the best intelligence group to date, completely on the word hitler wants to conclude a military treaty with japan, at least pull

the conclusion of this alliance. richard i said that i did not want to be seen together. this is who on photos, this is a woman we have become different. so too much time. i have two homelands germany the soviet union i am a communist, but i am a german sorge on sunday at the first we will learn something that we should never have known. in fact, these are parallel realities, which show that the myth has come to some strange state, this is the state. there are more and more of them. here's another example for you a few days ago, a palestinian journalist was killed in the line of duty. she was filming

was reporting. uh, she was killed by a sniper. but i don’t know, but they write in the media that this sniper was israeli and that he shot at her realizing who she is and what she does, but that’s not the point. the fact is that the woman was taken to the hospital. tried to save her , they couldn't save her. she died, which, regardless of who killed her and for what reasons, is a human tragedy. moreover, the journalist was fulfilling her duty and it would seem that she is always in the world when journalists who are doing their job are killed. journalistic duty. but it's like a scandal or something like that, but it's not about that either. whatever i was, i know a little about her, i can’t say who killed her and why, but the fact that i want to say is glaring. in my opinion, it lies elsewhere. it lies in what happened during the funeral of this woman during the funeral of this woman who was a journalist and who had no claims. she worked during this funeral, israeli law enforcement agencies, i don’t

know, guided by what arranged what they staged during the funeral, they beat the legs with clubs to the people who carried this coffin . quite obviously, making sure that the people who carry this coffin drop it. at the same time, you see that i do n’t know anything about these last forces, i admit that the israeli security forces have some reason. you understand some kind of feelings towards them. here are unfriendly feelings, but this is a funeral and this is a coffin and it is in front of the eyes of the whole world that they beat people who simply carry the coffin. what do you think, it 's you any reaction in the world at all in the ranks she for a minute. if anyone does not know, she was a catholic, you can see the cross there, they carry it. here you can see the cross. they are burying a catholic. the pope well, this is his pastor, who should have something about this , well, call no, the pope. why is he busy with other things? the pope of rome meets with

lean faces of his wives, and the nazis and the call of those who zigged and did not hide it, he is busy with this, and the fact that until recently, well, in a relatively normal world. would have caused indignation of everyone, but no matter who it doesn’t matter to the palestinians to the israelis, because it can’t be like that now everyone dragged everyone into some kind of funnel, these zigging aunts and even the pope was dragged there, but these blatant things don’t cause anyone over the ocean. the same story in buffalo , this same one on i mean, killed a fairly large number of people, which means big enough just killed a large number of blacks this man, who openly published himself with this symbolism with exactly the same symbolism, which we observe the attention to the issue of the ogren zigging on the form. the same nazis and calling here it is, that's what they call. find 10

differences, but about azov the whole progressive world and biden, chik ingr, shifts 2 years ago recognized this is a neo-nazi organization and the pope, who calls on these, means aunts about azov, everyone is convulsing. what do biden say about this nazi, listen to him. white supremacy is poison, it really is poison. penetrating into our political body to him was allowed to fester and grow right before our eyes. we must state as clearly and forcefully as possible that white supremacy has no place in america. and our failure to say this will be complicity silence is complicity, we cannot be silent. here it is. here is the answer to the question. why the world has become even more abnormal than it was, because what is happening in america

is a fester, which is in america and the superiority of the whites, which in america they cannot be silent. they owe it to you because it's because, and here when somewhere, when somewhere azov, when somewhere the nazis kill and talk about, but about their superiority. it does not matter. this is different and that's it . it is this example that is not relevant. so to the current current politics, it is the answer to the question about all those parallel worlds and duality, about which we spoke today, whether it be politics or war. whether it's the economy, when one side decides that what it needs is one thing, and everything else is another. the information channel on the first continues its broadcast program. time will tell working live

aired in today's briefing of the ministry of defense from our ministry of defense reports that in mariupol, blocked at the azovstal plant, the militants of the azov nationalist unit and ukrainian military personnel continue to surrender and that's how many nazis have surrendered by this hour. let's listen. in mariupol , the forces of the azov nationalist unit and ukrainian servicemen blocked at the plant continued to surrender . over the past day, they laid down their arms and 694 militants were taken prisoner. including 29 total on may 16 959 militants surrendered, including 80 wounded , of which 51 who needed hospital treatment were placed in the novoazovsk hospital of the donetsk people's republic. also, the russian military knocked out the ukrainian nazis with their position in the area of ​​​​the vasilyevsky pumping station. let's see. we are located in the area of ​​\u200b\u200bthe populated avdiivka on

positions recaptured from the militants of ukraine. what can be said? well, this is exactly the place from which the pumping station was fired quite often, vasilievskaya, which, in fact, provides water. and a number of other settlements , ukrainian militants left this position practically without a fight after intuitive preparation, which took place by the forces of the people's militia and the army of the russian federation . they say that the ukrainian militants. here they threw weapons, elements of equipment and abandoned their positions. moving further e-e to the highway, which is donetsk

kramator. and now they are firing from a height behind mine back occupied the village, novoselovka second and right now. we will say that there is a dense shooting battle and it worked. uh, the guys are hiding further in order to completely close the avgi cauldron and, in fact, boil the militants in it with the voice. and the legendary commander of the international brigade is in direct contact with us right now. fifteen hero, dnr akhra ovitsba akhra hello don't worry and don't be modest, because there is something for it, and tell us where fifteen is now working in what areas. what are the challenges if can you talk about it? well, we have always been a media division, so there have never been such special secrets. we are in the avdiivka direction.

we are based in donetsk, so everything is fine, quiet, quiet. now the direction is spoken in the direction of the girl. well, how difficult this war is, that there can be a difficult enemy here, of course, he does not want to lose, and therefore. we need to approach him in a new way , not the way we trained and taught him for 8 years. and what now to change other means of tactics and now there are successes e claws, we keep them straining, and so everything will be fine, for sure. follow the story, with change from the azov people. fighters. azov with azov steel, how does this affect morale. e vushnikov, in general, the rest have already felt it. well, i don’t know how about they felt it. we just only see them the way we sit in social networks. and here. uh, their

advertisements pop up, and they only advertise for the war for their victory for everything. this is what we understand that the mayors of the girl are there, when they speak and say that he will defeat everyone somehow, they say not with convinced eyes that have gone out, but the azov people themselves, who are there we were told that we would fight to the death. we came, and they are carried out and crawl out of all the cracks, then for us this picture is so depressing i imagine, as for those who tried to film them. how it looks to them, so to say how i feel, no. we just see the mood of the leader the mood of the leader lies in the fact that how you will inspire your subordinates and we see that there is no one there to inspire , and now they will be for them. uh, obviously they tried to do that. p- connect the entire world community and try to exchange at least one person, so that later we can make an icon out of him and start to imitate

making fast films. and then, uh, our deputies came up with an initiative, which all supported the decline. you guys are everything at the beginning, restore everything that you destroyed, and then you just go to some kind of exchange or forty, so they talked about the world community, and they said that there is no one in ukraine itself to inspire. so maybe the west will be a new inspiration for them. here, according to your data, are there many western mercenaries on their side is at war. there were a lot of volunteers on their side, but when the first sniper, when he just set foot on the territory of ukraine, was slammed and then the ranks were ordered, and we already understand for ourselves that those volunteer flows do not go. they say let's go, we'll weapon you, there 's something else, well, we collide we collide with uh, intercepts with foreign speech. i understand for myself that, most likely, those instructors who were supposed to train a sabotage group and ended up in such a situation. what, well, do you want your salary get and lead your group that you have

prepared. and that's why we are now confronted with them to say that there is a mass for ukraine. although to fight. no, they want to fight indiscriminately to the last ukrainian, but not to ukraine well, the situation is at the beginning of the campaign of those who want to fight. as you say there were more now they are much less. well, let's watch not only foreigners who wanted to fight at the beginning of the company. let's watch the ukrainians themselves, who are demonstrating all over europe and that they are not fighting. there are such a dork and they are all over the world there with posters with those. so there you can gather whole brigades, they are called the wives of those militants who protect. well, wives, there are many bearded and with signs of secondary male- man, but these are secondary signs of men. of course, they are not acre, but with foreign weapons, whose western weapons have been talked a lot lately and have already encountered 155-mm american howitzers. well, howitzer 155 and our herd howitzer

152. i think they are not much different. maybe there is a pr approach or something else. well, not yet. they are so far only unloaded, until they deliver. so far, we are only with small calibers there with mortars of the sixties with ags new there with braun machine guns , that is, such trifles collide. uh, people who are there in other directions. most likely, they have already collided, but it does not hurt us not to say that there is some kind of weapon that will inspire the ukrainians. no, i didn’t see anything like that in this, not in the equipment that small equipment was sent to them there, well, it’s armored from what peema. well, our large calibers will take it apart. uh, their vaunted tanks, so what, than vaunted, what is it, that they changed the caliber, made it smaller there under the nato standard and who will serve all this, so this, well, about nothing, this is

purity, your confidence and calmness, just inspires and captivates . this is a war, what is difficult, think war, well, let's come up with a new tactic. thank you very much for our conversation with us on direct communication was the hero of the donetsk people's republic, the commander of the legendary international brigades. fifteen security guards ivan pavlovich well, when you were there, we were so serious, and in general, in fact, it seems to me that war correspondents journalists people military experts treat this with such reverence from the military there on the front line. well, that there is a war, the task must be worked calmly confidently and clearly, in fact , since i participate in armed conflicts, starting with, uh, stormy. i, perhaps, always, when i am, i am among them . uh, to the situation, approximately, what is for me this is the same. do i take it as a job? how old is that why it's a job and uh, kombat from

uh very good. what does it mean that when an informational one arises, as if some kind of wave, when guns are being transported there, right? or something else going on there for the people who are there is generally off the ears. they do n't hear it at all. they don't even think about it. here's what they're thinking about. yes , so that the bronik is good, so that the food is good, so that there is enough ammunition, so that those systems that have a machine gun there have a grenade launcher that there is an ags there or a or or captured e, ufos, let's say. all this to make it work. that is the task for them, these people, they are always the ones who bribed me, and you know, i am always in different conflicts. in various guises, i met russian soldiers not in the sense that a russian soldier

is a soldier of the armed forces of the russian federation there are no soldiers, that person who is a russian soldier in spirit, he is always calm, the most important thing, and that he is always sure of victory, if you tell me name at least one war that you lost the russian army, but except for those positions when the russian government suddenly for some reason decided that it was necessary to retreat somehow, but this is the russian-japanese there, yes, there, i don’t know, the first , uh, the first world, when we had a revolution, but when a russian soldier understands what he is fighting for and why he does it, it is always victory and, moreover, uh, this legendary kombat is a man who, uh, personifies something not a russian soldier he represents a russian world, that is, by nationality. not russian. yes, well, it doesn't change anything. because he is a commander, and he is more russian than we are, because

he is the commander of a unit, or rather a unit, in which there are people of a huge number of nationalities, by the way, you know, i remember 2014 . the second exchange of prisoners, it was a very big one, when they brought a huge number, well, a large number from our side and from their side. and they carry the guy out on a stretcher. uh, which for some reason, i asked him where you are from, he says, i'm from israel, i say, but you suck. if needed, i came to fight for the freedom of these people. yes, a man from israel came and also fought in an international battalion on the side of the dpr. but that was then and now there are no less of them, no less of them now . look here. now. pay attention to how different our approach is the approach of the russian person of the russian world. no matter what nationality, you really and approach the western washington post counted all the assistance that the united states

has ever provided to other countries and came to the conclusion that ukraine has become the largest in the world the recipient of military aid in history, bypassing both egypt and israel, to which they have been helping for decades , and according to the publication, almost $ 4 billion has been provided since the end of february, and the new aid package of 40 billion 20 billion provides for the so-called defense, and europe in this regard, it does not lag behind and let's hear what you say. the head of diplomacy, which seems to be for peace because of the talks josé barrel listen to we continue to support the ukrainian army. i think our support will make a difference on the battlefield. combat readiness of the ukrainian army. we need to support efforts to replenish resources and supplies. and i must say that our support at the moment is critical, we cannot allow ukraine to run out of military equipment and weapons, because in the donbass, the ukrainians are on the counteroffensive, pushing the

russians out and having extraordinary success. the ukrainians. there are extraordinary opportunities to resist columns of russian tanks and attack them . an additional tranche of 500 million euros will bring the total military support from the eu to 2 billion. alekseevna nu diplomats talk about weapons. from what portions, uh, just connected, because i will say with what ivan pavlovich said, but spirit and sword always fight. this is what napoleon said in the end, in the end, the spirit always wins, even if the first period can win some. in fact, the victory was so during napoleon's time when he actually said it. so it was in the time of hitler for our soldiers for the russian soldier, precisely in that broad sense, two deaths cannot be avoided alone. this is a thousand-year-old fairy tales, generally speaking, when ivan is a peasant son and ivan royal son. as a rule, they are always parallel heroes in no way changed and not a huckster, that is, there

is one who does not need to worry about property, who, no matter how much you worry, will still not have it. there the property spoils the person very much. really a great property. that is why, of course, europe will not help, moreover, it destroys. this is europe's help if all the experts now started from whom more ukraine or europe themselves, well, first of all, ukraine yes, they want ukrainians to fight to the last, because they need to tighten up. they think they will drain us. well, such traditional representations. the longer the war what does it mean, the more exhausted? uh, as long as you know, uh, everything we spend on a military operation is less than, uh, the profits that we get for halving energy exports, but tripling the prices, here, and europe destroys it, because if in america in the opinion of all experts, let

an informal discussion on the topic start, when it will be necessary to stop, but they can’t, can there be any kind of compromise senseless, despite the fact that they they also send these huge billions and so on, then in europe they took a bite of business all these gynecologists, such as ursula vonderlainen, these girls, as i say in the form of anna lena burbak or passion, if she is lena still such a nice little one, such a teenager , or such a rhinestone you know the ugliness of satan, girls or women ugliness. alcohol girls, such as barrel boys are starting to deal with weapons collective greta thunberg, bitten fanatically in her ideology here. they stopped seeing reality they stopped seeing what the experts already said europe will never return to a significant center where events on a world-historical

scale take place. no, that's the point. here it is. eh, those who understand they are not destiny, there are those who understand, and i also have correspondence with such people, and moreover, these are not outcasts, but serious professors. as a rule, they are on our side, but, this is the top of brussels, it justifies everything already its name. what do you know? mm, how is it that dostoevsky spoke about our e-liberal anti-russian intelligentsia, that this is a cancer that has stuck into the liver of the russian people. that's it, that's the entire brussels bureaucracy - it's a cancer that has stuck, uh, into the liver, that's once great europe, which also needs ideals, an excellent definition. sergeevich and what to do with this cancer, do you need a surgeon? yes, i'm sure i completely agree, yes, it is necessary to treat both medicines and the direction set by the president of militarization.

and here is the word of what is happening in ukraine now and the words of the battalion commander, i fully share that they, uh, are not at all afraid of the equipment again coming in and we see in all the reports of the ministry of defense, as a regular system, all these deliveries of so-called weapons and those that were destroyed, therefore, we all have. uh, full confidence that the special military operation will be completed. successfully we see it by adjusting our forces. i think you also believe the whole question is only in practice. they will still be ready to do it, because this is the weapons that are coming. yes, there is money in there. yes, they cut budgets there, yes, they have everything just like that except for money, but this weapon partially reaches it anyway and it kills our guys. to unfortunately, yes, there are losses, but now we know from experts and westerners that a certain training of ukrainian e-fighters is taking place, but

even this does not give any results. we saw it from the stories that practically all the modern equipment that comes in, either it ends up with our people's militia, which ours are already starting to use, or it is simply destroyed on the battlefield. michael did more. well, the barrel is pouring some borel, according to the fire, he says we will be until the last ukrainian plant weapons. they are weapons. soon they will eat instead of grain. well, the principle, do the nasty things you got, joy, didn’t go anywhere. hey, i'm ruslan. here i will catch on to the phrase that was told to you that israel supplied weapons to egypt, inserted weapons. and you know, if israel god forbid israel god forbid egypt, but developed like this russophobia fought against russia they would supply in large volumes, if now there is, god forbid again at least one side that will be ready, but more confrontation fight hard with

russia and there will pump stone endlessly, something is an endless process, you need to understand that this is a process and you need to understand that today the european union does not have the european union, so we always say to the european union that it is investing in this. yes? we invest in this, first of all, in some kind of political significance, but political significance. no, there is only the military. that is, it is a nato branch absolutely a nato branch and they perform military tasks. this is paradoxical, of course. history. yes, but she is nonetheless. here we see it on the face, and therefore any now arms deliveries. they will go on endlessly endlessly endlessly. uh, they'll stretch our front. they will try to do it by any means, and hence the accession to nato in sweden and finland . the length, it pulls there as much as possible now. and poland, uh, to throw at the embrasure, they themselves rush to such a stretching of themselves. the question is how do we behave. so i think that here is the

mariupol operation. hit it is indicative. and this is very important and not by chance, and our president congratulated the minister of defense on the completion of the successful mariupol operation, not by chance. yes, well, you understand, why? because we are mariupol if we take a strategy there, this is, uh, a land road to crimea mariupol is a port. and we control, which means that the sea is already mariupol - this is , in fact. this means that the sea of ​​azov becomes an inland russian sea and mariupol is a symbol and a group. well, apart from symbols. i'm talking about practical things, yes, practical things, because in fact, even if they want to steal tons of money now, withdraw them in winter, they can do it only through odessa. yes, that's what the americans do. they already have a road there, that is, yes, here. you see, that is, i say once again that ruslan is a very important thing. yes, why because , and people, even here the audience is asking a question. well , what will this mariupol give us, dear viewers , and this and this is the security of russia, which will show the

difference between us and them, because we russia continues to help the donbass and the popular front. together with russian railways, we came up with an initiative to send humanitarian aid to the donbas by train, which you see on your screens. right behind us, our colleague, the host of the program, is in touch. good morning on channel one polina tsvetkova hello polina and with her the head of the popular front. mikhail kuznetsov guys. tell me about finding help. colleagues good afternoon, dear viewers, in fact, it is a great happiness for us to be here in moscow, the railway station perovo behind our wall you see a train that is entirely composed of humanitarian aid to people who really need it limitlessly . yes introduced his own wagon with the help of yes polina good afternoon, good afternoon everyone. but really here, uh, 68 wagons. if you count it is only 300 trucks.

that is, many many kilometers of help that the whole country played, and the tenth regions responded here with food kits and water and stationery kits for kids so that they donbass could go to school. no matter how much you don’t need anything, and even the building materials that the region is sent to the base in order to start restoring it. and this composition is the largest humanitarian convoy that i have ever seen, and this, of course, is incredibly cool, because the train unites the whole country. the whole country responded to the call. in the front and the russian railways and the whole country assembled this train. he was going here for a single week, but because it was required to attach these wagons to trains that go to moscow and finally, 68 wagons here is a freight platform, because not a single platform, e, station can accept a train of this size, so we always have russian railways here in perovo, literally from a minute seconds for a second already the train

to go there you can go to the donbass, luhansk donetsk and in general, polina and i are standing here and we are worried, so you know, i want to say, thank you all, because this is the scale of kindness that should impress and now this is exactly the case , when you arrive and think, is this really something that will just help people. here we were recently with you in the donbass and saw those people who, when you understand a better address for this help, everyone sees the eyes of these people, you have a completely different attitude and different feelings you experience while being. here pride, gratitude, probably happiness, that this became possible, a lot of work was invested due to the fact that all of russia, or quickly everyone connected at all, in fact, no one had to be begged absolutely, as soon as the fund was russian iron roads. this cry was thrown by many regions, especially the far east, for which it becomes too much to send into the water by plane to moscow, dear. they said, thank god we have a logistical opportunity to help, because a lot of people wanted to help, but we didn’t have the opportunity to send it, we had to send it, and the car has all the rules

, including a photo. i mean, it really is. in general, the russian action that paid from the region exploited people, and here on the train it is written on their own. we throw. it seems to me that this slogan, which is the slogan that has become such a tv, uh, descended from the grandfather. one big people. we never leave, never leave ours, and the train just emphasizes once again that this is the way it is and we will never leave anyone in trouble, we will not leave you with you. and just like that, colleagues had questions. what's the difference? yes, i do not know, probably, our help. here you can see it for yourself. and you and i we went, in my opinion, we caught an excellent one, send it, we wish you good luck and we see that the leningrad region is also written on the cars, republic of buryatia wonderful shots wonderful help good afternoon, the information

channel continues its work on the air, the program time to remember, my name is alexander gordon, after thinking long, apparently and painful. finland and sweden have finally been asked to join nato. well, there are some problems there, which of course they will overcome. there is turkey there, which is now trading in order to get something to download from this case, but let's consider this a fact, finland and sweden will already become nato countries there. means the circle is closed. and that's it. what we have been objecting to for the past few decades has seemed true. we will discuss today. what kind of organization is this why? it was created against who these guys are friends with. and why did finland

and sweden right now need to join this venerable organization, i must say, the balts were terribly delighted, they are already calling. ah, the baltic sea. nato well, really, there is nothing left except kaliningrad. it seems like ours, but there is a separate conversation about finland, because we do not have an easy relationship with this country. let's remember how we let her go. we had a part of the russian empire, the first who separated from this new soviet power bylina. let's remember. ah, 100 years ago. the line of the mannheim passed through this country. but what kind of line is this now we will remind, including our viewers. during the civil war, general mannerheim planned to seize russian lands along the line, the white sea, lake onega, the svir river, lake ladoga, in addition, they planned to join greater finland

to include the kola peninsula, and they wanted to separate petrograd from soviet russia and make it a free city, finland at that time declared war on russia several times on the eve of world war ii , and finland was extremely determined. hostile to the soviet union, leaning towards an alliance with the third reich, finland should consider russia its eternal enemy, because an independent finland poses a constant threat to st. should be a friend of finland in november 1939, the ussr announced the termination of the tartuk peace treaty and the non-aggression pact from finland launched offensive military operations on finnish territory. the main task was to ensure the security of leningrad, which was dangerously close. and the west, meanwhile, in every possible way pushed finland to war with the soviet union , france, sweden and denmark transferred weapons , planes and ammunition to it, however, they themselves washed their hands and

did not want to participate in hostilities war they were able to unleash it, but the finns had to fight without powerful allies as a result, after breaking through the monarchy line, finland realized that it was facing the threat of a complete seizure of the country and asked for peace negotiations, the war was then on the diplomatic front, accusing the ussr of aggression in december 1039 the assembly of the league of nations decided to expel the soviet union from this international organization for actions directed against the state of finland. i want to remind you that we signed the peace treaty with finland in in 1949, they confessed in exchange for peace that they had no territorial claims against us. and very well, then all the soviet years settled down. the soviet union for finland was the closest and closest partner, including economically , i can’t say that they sucked at us somehow,

no. it was mutually beneficial. absolutely yes exchange, that is, we lived well and peacefully. here until today . i want to remind. it's personal. i'm starting to get a bit worried here. that the finns did take part in world war ii on the side of nazi germany and my grandmother, she went through a short, but terrible occupation in the kaluga region and told me she says the germans. well said, but these bastards are red. i don't want to offend the finns now. this is a quote from my grandmother. here are those red bastards. here they are humiliated in full again. these are grandmother's memories in any way. i don't want to drag them here, but i'm turning to you. do you know why? well, first of all, like a german? secondly, we have known each other for a long time. i hope you will not lie to me in the answer, and now i will tell you this anecdote from life is short, which shook me. to be honest, i have a friend who is

in one big company. uh, there was also an adviser in this company. the government of the federal german and this adviser said, literally the following is not about the donbass, we understand, but what kind of ukrainians are clear there, there are russian people, but crimea he said we will never forgive you, tell me this is that they completely lost their conscience forgetting that let's say that the same lines of energy we made possible the blockade of leningrad where 600 s more than a thousand people will die of starvation alone. and where are the germans? where is crimea, what is absolute shamelessness or fearlessness? after all, we can punish, if anything, well, a phrase, before our colleague says exactly russia’s exit to the black sea and crimea as part of russia and to the

baltic made russia a great power, without which, as catherine’s beardless chancellor said, not a single gun in europe shot, so pure geopolitics is the mediterranean sea. it's the straits, it's fucking to formulate something differently. you can, but here we will never forgive you. now they forgive, anything to say and there is no ethics. good thing when the german policy. they say that after all, we will not forgive you the crimea. it is they who simply straighten their backs, and in the hope of collecting points. at home. yes, this is still our internal agenda. not so related. uh, with the way it will be considered in the dialogue with russia when i am finally right the first version, what is conscience? no, i think that there is no conscience, yes, because now we have uh, for example, i very uh, severely condemned, just

supply of heavy weapons. yes, that is, we, but we will not talk about modernity for a long time, yes, that is. well, i just understand that it’s very easy to step into these blanks, yes, that is , to follow this path. yes, because everyone else will clap. and what about the monargame line? yes, that is, you still need to give. um, finland deserves credit for being desperately infected by 150,000 liters of skiers. i myself saw this line in the leningrad region, these split e, boulders and so on, a great impression, that is without steel hedgehogs. you can’t cook it, then with what simple means they still defended themselves, but joining nato i think it will be very reassuring. uh, the peoples of scandinavia and finland, that is, on the contrary. uh, something from this. why will

we have a different task? we don’t want to reassure the people of scandinavia and the people of finland . well , it seems to me that it’s wrong, dear opponent, from the word it’s completely. the fact is that well, not 150, there there were 400,000 skiers in tamar, and then 450,000 finns of them quietly. let us reach an agreement as a whole on which to fight, which to fight on all fronts, including on the energy line, we first of all, then we let's remember that finland, she was already waging an aggressive military place. germany the forty- first forty-fourth year of the blockade of leningrad is the fault of the finnish army mannheim of the finnish general staff. and why, because they blockaded leningrad from the north. if it were not for this blockade, this blockade would not have happened leningrad blockade, and i believe that, by

adding uh, crimea was not forgiven. it seems to me that there are some memories coming from gotner. remember this name, announcer's, germany what did they want to do quickly? they wanted to make a recreational zone for the german aryan nation from crimea and call it gotenlan, where the germans would rest, and the entire main local population, that the crimean tatars, that russians, that ukrainians, that jews were simply cut out. well, tell me, i'm very far away. i'll tell you this, so finland milano eve world war ii. well, in essence , that policy that was russophobic was not just soviet, but russophobic, in fact. it has become here that the borders are shown here, because to arkhangelsk to reach murmansk you just said, this project did not take place. he did not take place, because he was abandoned, or something, or because we did not give him a fortune. you have not just allowed a single project to take place. or am i wrong. well, you

addressed felix as a german. as russians, i want to say how i perceive this situation, there are two option. you can perceive through emotions, you can perceive through your head, if through emotions, well, that ’s all, of course, it’s bad, terrible, with a hostile nato bloc, the border is lengthening by 1,340 km and this nato bloc really comes close to st. petersburg, if you turn on your calculation, then we can draw such conclusions, we cannot fight on many fronts at once. we would like to deal with ukraine and with the finns. in general, maybe we should focus on the fact that finland is still joining nato. i said two fundamental points. they reserve for themselves that they will not post. foreign military bases will not host nuclear weapons. it is now. and if something comes to them tomorrow, i'll tell the head. oh, look, the russians are gathering troops quickly, quickly, all of us and

nuclear weapons. we have a choice. we have no choice. we have experience of interacting with finland in the most difficult times; they wrote that it did not start under khrushchev during carelessness, and so on. it is almost perfect, and even when ukraine was offered some more or less acceptable variant we used the term filinzation. let ukraine become like finland everything, of course, changed after february 4. unfortunately , the attitudes of both the finnish political class and the finnish population. as evidenced by the polls, but finnish-pragmatics, the russians will not become enemies from finland, there will be no aggression against the russian federation, so the last one in the introductory very good story we had such a phrase that, but very close to leningrad, the finnish border is coming, well , in the fortieth year in march. this problem was solved, the border was

pushed back from leningrad, it has been pushed back to this day. well, let's calm down on this for now and still we will not perceive the russian-finnish border, even after joining nato as a line, damn it, everything would be like this. as you say, if there were no alternative. the finns maintained their neutrality after the second world war, and this suited everyone, both europe and finland, and now they are demonstrating us. and this is an absolute demonstration that the front line has passed. here they are in that opera they are in another, that is, and not to fly is nothing to say. here, look now on the screen that we have this emblem of the finnish air force, which they abandoned only in 2017, they really had this swastika even before the first world war, but after there was fascism. and well, as if convicted, yes, so that a non-german trial would take place, how could it be?

pos-look how to leave this embli? how was it possible? that is, it seems to me that now only the finns have admitted that they have long been in that guardianship, that all this neutrality was necessary only in order to be economically friends in the soviet union, but with russia it is no longer necessary. the fact is, and also, of course, that the finns did not ask for snat, but they were urgently asked for the leading role of american pressure in this decision and of course english. well, you can't discount it. this is true, but what has been strengthened over the past decades, this anti-russian propaganda, even if it is weaker there at first, is not so obscene, but nevertheless it has already led, as in all of europe, to the power of the elite, which history is not known history is neglected, they do not remember anything and are so uneducated not without reason

i call it. these girls there are collectively warm, thunberg whose eyes are blind, they do not see anything teenage thinking. although gray hair already. in general, undergrowth, you know, undergrowth, and, of course, this is very sad and offensive, but politicians and i will cover them with us, a funny story during the civil war, but he was, well, like a tsarist general, he didn’t took a portrait of the sovereign of our cabinet for a very, very long time. that's why, when i realized that you can consider russia when the booty is for plunder, then all this quickly flew off. now comes the news in the media. at least, right now, right now, that turkey has blocked the negotiations on finland’s accession, it’s understandable, but in the end i’ll agree. i’m ready to bet with anyone on any

amount of any drink that turkey will eventually allow itself to be persuaded. and they will receive symbolic concessions from the swedes, on the kursk issue or guessed himself a great fellow. inside the country he will show, but he will not go into conflict with america with great britain, mentioned with other countries, in order to block our program called the time to remember, because we still turn to history and to a reasonable interpretation of this history, therefore let's remember. and how actually. why was the nato block created? on april 4, 1949, 12 countries signed the north atlantic treaty, uniting in a military-political bloc called nato in within the new system of collective security. all parties pledged to jointly protect any member of the created alliance in the event of an attack on him as their main goal. the organization

prescribed the strengthening of stability and prosperity in the north atlantic region in 1954. the soviet union applied to join nato, however, the leadership of the alliance and it was rejected, sending moscow the following members of the organization combined defense means in order to collectively guarantee the security that they could not individually ensure, in the face of the military superiority of the soviet union , achieved by it in europe since 1945 and the westward expansion of the political economic and military system of its subordinates. personal control, such a response to that only confirmed the fact that the bloc was initially focused on countering the ussr, the creation of the alliance became a kind of revenge for those who were not satisfied with the outcome of the second world war , representatives of nazi germany also played an important role in its formation after the end

world war ii most of the war criminals were court-martialed, but some servants of the third reich. not only remained at large, but also returned to service in military organizations from the first day of the formation of nato in 1949, an important role in the appointment of employees to high-ranking positions of the alliance was played by lieutenant general richard gehlen during the gelem war. headed the twelfth department of the general staff. wehrmacht foreign armies. east worked closely with adler and reich political intelligence in may 1945 reinhart gehlen surrendered to the american army. having hidden all the developments of german military intelligence in reliable hiding places. for them, perhaps, the transfer of the states, the calculation of the general turned out to be correct already in the fall. he flew to the united states where he was offered to organize a cia department for russian issues. this is how the gelendra organization was born. for work. it selected 350 former german officers, including members of a banned organization. in the ussr, many gelin people soon got into nata to determine its course in the future. so with

the light hand of reinhard gehlen, chief of staff army group south wehrmacht lieutenant general hans speidel became commander of the nato combined ground forces in central europe nazi german navy lieutenant captain friedrich gubkin berger was appointed deputy chief of staff of the nato combined forces command in northern europe and another wehrmacht lieutenant general adolf osenger, who at one time developed plans for the invasion of poland, denmark, norway and the ussr became the chairman of the nato military committee, in fact, laying the foundations for the development of military theories of the alliance, according to which nato is still in effect. so, well, what can i say? well, really, look, we are now seeing that we are seeing the reincarnation of fascism. which earlier, in general, was imprisoned for fighting communism, there is no communism, but russia, that is, someone from russia must fight. here is the history of e nato frank

nazis are not just put there as ordinary employees. yes , they saw organizations for key positions in this organization in the fifty-fourth year, yes, the soviet union asked. are you kidding us against you, actually they did it, everything is not soviet union what is happening in fairness , it must be said that in the forty-ninth year in the fifty-fourth there were no other germans, except for those who were somehow involved in the acts of the nazi regime. what fg, what in the gdr gdrov, the army was also formed. in general, from those who in one way or another were connected there from the first, but i remind you that our nuclear program was also created thanks to those transported from germany, but in general, nazi accounting. what is the problem is very big, that our western partners in in quotation marks like e, our leaders still say, and even after 40-50 years they

approached moscow from the point of view of the forty-ninth year, as if moscow had already been the stalinist soviet union in the nineties and was e eternal enemy. i remember in the nineties. maybe the year was ninety-six ninety-seven when they really discussed it. to the question, maybe russia will join nato in this one, not even that some kind of capitulation on our part was like this kind of association, a common structure security on decent terms. i emphasize the word worthy when we discussed this with western diplomats. one of them was looking for me a phrase that i will not forget, he never said, well, get in the general queue. i say wait. we are nuclear powers in a common queue between albania and macedonia, which at that time did not yet call north macedonia. he says yes . theatrical joke

you know, when a director walks and sees two actresses. they are talking somewhere in the corner and he says against whom to be friends. it is clear that they are all friends against us, this is absolutely understandable, but finland, sweden had a chance. just a chance to stay away. no, they tighten up. what for? well, they have already been brought up. in that. as a historian, i never had rose-colored glasses even in the nineties, although, to be honest, i parted with marxism and regional committees without regrets, but i was indignant at the fact that, in payment for totalitarianism, we were offered to surrender at all tercentenary results of all russian history. and here it is the bolsheviks? it was not the bolsheviks who created this state. uh, they fought for the crimea in the russian-turkish wars and so on. hmm , tell me the enemy of russia, and even the one in the xviii

that the anglo-saxons would not support, then it was britain killed griboedov the british trail for- until now. the archives unloaded weapons for the circassians for the thirties, which means that after our good agreement with turkey, the defense of sevastopol and the war, shamil, tens of hundreds gave an agreement to bonaparte not in general, and you are right, alexander for the first time europe felt like a single whole, having united against the success of russia in the russian-turkish war at the berlin congress of 1878. this danilevsky notes that everyone moved there, which means that bismarck andersche dizayeli soldiers are all the most ambitious figures of european diplomacy. from there, then, the contradiction between the european countries is still uh, they objected to the first world war. they

were divided into hostile blocs after the strengthening of the united states you say there is no communism in diary of mr. everything is written down, it is impossible to tolerate in the east of such a huge state. as for the anglo-saxons, but let's say the british british strategy to prevent itself from appearing on the european, and even the eurasian continent , a country with predominant geopolitical influence, so for 300 years they fought, so to speak , with france before e, bismarck and how the bismarck german empire was formed england began to support france the russian ambassador hmm even sent his depershus saying that it would be so even in the central department they did not believe him. you know everything what did the anglo-saxons do after the war. i finish it is necessary to remember before the nato plan the unthinkable further document of britain's security of the british empire - this autumn he is in this in foreign intelligence. we have

stored and which were known to stalin 3 months before the pulkovo speech there to recall. please, when churchill made a speech, when the date is march, by the way, there, he still distributes dues correctly, it is said in march of the forty-sixth year. you're great, but look. no, i want , i want. i want a little about the reasons for this speech trying to see. and as i understand it, you are familiar with the full text of the so-called long telegram . yes, we are now, we are now, i just want to explain to our viewers what it is on february 22, 1946, an employee of the us embassy in the ussr, george kenom, sent washington his famous long telegram. this is the duty of faulknov's speech. we will now look at a short fragment. e from this telegram, and then she will comment on us,

what was it all about? we have a political force that fanatically believes that permanent coexistence is impossible with the united states, that the destruction of the internal harmony of our society is desirable and obligatory, that our traditional way of life must be destroyed, the international authority of our state must be undermined and that's it. this is for the security of the soviet government. this is a political force that has completely subjugated the energy of one of the greatest peoples of the world and the resources of the richest national territory , originates in the deep and powerful currents of russian nationalism, it must be recognized that this an unpleasant situation before us is the most difficult task of finding a way to cope with this force, problems of such complexity have not yet been faced by our diplomacy and i dare to assume that it is unlikely to

face in the future. it collides let it collide with the fact that the russian historical society really has the original, by the way, one of the copies of the podling is telegrams 2 years ago at one of the auctions in the united states of america well, with the help of sponsors, we acquired it and, in fact, makes a unique document which was prepared by throughout the course. this is the end of world war ii. that is, the beginning of the cold war right here lies in the results of the hot war of the second world war. and so, then the word containment was already heard. now, today we often hear this containment of russia, and they didn’t call the soviet union that, but russia , that’s lin’s habit out of inertia. well, that is, they read us as russia and and when canon wrote this telegram, he, of course, closely, and consulted with the american ambassador then in the soviet union, i said he was a harem, who was also an anti-soviet, by the way, who owned a business and his family owned a business back in tsarist russia, these are also habits. all this they got on dele it was a

manifesto that was sent to all the embassies of the united states of america around the world. here is the text of this length of the so-called telegram, which was clearly stated, as if in the analysis of the development of the soviet economy, he believed that it was necessary for russia to crush and crush the united states of america, they simply then became the hegemon in europe. they think so now. here tell me felix my friend will you crush us or not? we will definitely not crush, but i actually understood the conclusion from your speech that it was possible in forty- sixth in forty-ninth in fifty-three really to be afraid of the presence of the soviet union yes in europe that is, that we had a plan to to defeat the frg, we had a plan of military

capabilities. i forgot, too, based on these possibilities, i made a plan. and now we have no military capabilities. here you are as a german, as a citizen of germany yes, you are afraid of the russian there is no personal invasion of your home country, but among my, uh, neighbors in the house, where are seventeen? uh, apartments, half of them are afraid, you know, it's called paranoia. how do they say? i just saw it myself. now, if you turn off the ukrainian tv, then in a month the brains return to their place. oddly enough, if you turn them on again here is the same paranoia i have a short question, because we are running out of time already. what should we do with this extension? so we went to ukraine, albeit correctly. let's go because they were afraid that ukraine might join nato and that, well, on ukrainian territory, it turns out the bases are over. let's go right, yes, that's all, and now what

to do turn on the brain and understand that no one has ever won the war much more, so understand who the main enemy is and where the main enemy is and not be distracted by a secondary direction, because now there is no time to listen. we should be bombing the united states . correctly, i understand who the main branch is. yeah, yeah, get distracted by no one from the main directions, especially from feeds, which have been our models for 60 years. yes, but i want to remind you that this program was created precisely for us to interpret history, since documents allow us to do this with the help of professional historians. yes, so that no one could distort history so much that that's how it is there, let's talk about russian nationalism. i would like to now look into the eyes of this long-dead man, yes, and talk to him now about what is happening, but, alas, it was not destined.