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boxing league intercontinental cup second evening russia asia on saturday on pervy do you think you are the strongest or the smartest? think about yourself what you want, who you are will show the pain of the league of stakes bright fights in one application. there is a big game on the air and we continue our very interesting conversation with anatoly ivanch antonov, ambassador of the russian federation to the united states dmitry, i ask you to come to washington in 2017. and to be honest, those weren't the easiest times. and although they elected trump, who promised another, i would not be afraid of this. i'm afraid to look for a friendly policy towards russia, he did
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not succeed. generally. it was all enough. uh, unpleasant and uh, very serious, but many of us, myself included, were under the impression that this was some kind of temporary period, that this was not a trump administration mess. this is a continuation of the party struggle between democrats and republicans, and somehow everything will gradually calm down and relations. eh, they will get into some sort of rut. well i would say not friendship not cooperation on some kind of normality, but we know something completely different happened. and at first there were big problems under obama, there were big problems for petrump. and now we have what is happening with the biden. and, of course, today we are talking mainly about the conflict around ukraine because they are shooting there, because there
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are killings, because there is a risk of military escalation, but uh, you know. very well. only as an ambassador, but also as a former deputy minister of defense, a person who dealt very deeply with international security issues. you know that, in general, ukraine is to some extent a symptom, not a cause, of the current difficulties. but it seems to me that there is a struggle for a new world order, and they are afraid to say for the whole character of modern civilization. what do you think about this? and if this is true, is it possible to get out of this impasse? we and i want to support you. you are absolutely right. for all the tragedy, the situation around ukraine now is what is the tragedy first of all, it is that, uh, innocent
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people, ordinary ukrainian ukrainians, russians are dying. we will never forget what happened in odessa, we will never forget 8 years of bombings of donbass when ordinary people were killed. we were forced to launch a special military operation, but you are absolutely right that this is what we are talking about in reality. you know, today i was thinking before our broadcast. and if you like, mo is not a very fashionable word, and the clash of two ideologies is the first ideology that was still recorded in many works of american politicians in first turn. e, henry kistingers, when he said that the united states of america is a water star for the whole world and everyone should follow the example of the united states of america and the russian approach, when we talk about the need for a polycentric world, when we talk about the need to create or form
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or cementing international relations on the basis of the un charter central and central body of the united nations security council, we speak clearly and clearly about the need to implement the principle of indivisibility security. here in this there is a clash of two technologists. e ideology, when in the nineties they extended their hand to russia, by the way, speaking, you can say so, they just said, take my hand. you can shake it, but proceed from the fact that you will always be the junior partner, and you will have to comply. uh, directives from washington from brussels i remember very well those years, when i had enough. it happens a lot at nato headquarters where we discussed, uh, all these problems at the round table, and then they laughed at us and talked about that there is nothing we can do. we were
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like a president. our said very cool. and good. we were redundant. the naive are open. we thought about the fact that it is really possible to build equal rights. e relationship. we turned out to be wrong. so a chapter in our history when we were weak. it has passed today and today in the world. we must decide together. what kind of world order will be the american one that we propose? or the world order that is spoken about in various parts of the world china in india america e africa e. i think there's going to be a lot of discussion about that. and how can we live in the future, but ukraine is only a part of the global crisis of the world of order, and together we will have to decide. ah, the main question. how can we live, and
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we must live together on this planet of another option. no, anatoly ivanovich, you are absolutely right, of course, and the hybrid war against russia and the ukrainian crisis. in particular. this is an element of the attempts of the united states to consolidate a to strengthen. uh, their global leadership and hegemony and really fight for the world order, on top of which they themselves stand, but uh, what, and the united states did not support, the vast majority of non-western countries that refused to join them and oppose russia refused to join the sanctions refused to condemn russia refused merge into different blocks. coalitions and so on says that this attempt is probably doomed to failure and sooner or later the united states will have to, no matter how difficult it is for them, no matter how it contradicts them history and ideology to adapt to a
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multipolar and polycentric world. but here i would like to ask you one last question about the broader aspects of russian american relations. after all, they are not only about the two sides. yes, russian-american relations are truly global, and important elements of these relations are the dialogue on the iranian nuclear program and the north korean nuclear program and the climate and the pandemic and the crisis in syria, and this list can be listed more. we are permanent members of the un security council. you are right. like it or not, we have to, and we are nuclear superpowers. here on this broader aspect of iran north korea climate pandas. i uh, you see, you are some positive, at least u flicker of light at the end of the tunnel. no flickering i don't see, uh, i
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have to prove ancient happy to deal with practical problems, but i want to say that you are absolutely right. and i fully support you here. there are a huge number of key issues. e security challenges e-e for the united states of america for russia e, te problems with all the strength of the united states, they will not be able to solve. you called it climate change. i will add to this the fight against terrorism. it's a cyber uh situation. this is the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction. where we are philosophically united, and i firmly believe that e the time will come when common sense will prevail and we will decide together. uh, those are the key issues. speaking of which, in august there will be a review conference on the treaty. proliferation of nuclear weapons. i would just like
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to urge our american colleagues not to try use this event to denigrate the foreign policy of the russian federation think about how to strengthen strategic security. how to strengthen the non- proliferation regime? how to allow developing nations to more easily, uh, access the peaceful benefits of, uh, nuclear power, and how together we can think about leading in the spirit. there is good will in the negotiations, which in the final analysis should lead us to a wonderful future . anatoly ivanovich thank you very much for this most interesting conversation. sir, we went to you debt and i don’t know when i will appear on the federal channel again, but i allowed myself to say see you soon. thank you very much, regardless of when and with what kind of territorial and political settlement of the ukrainian
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conflict, neither russia nor the united states will disappear, of course, from the political map of the world, and moreover, they will remain great powers and nuclear superpowers. there is often talk in the west that russia will come out of this conflict much weaker than it was before february 24th. this is what is called thanking in english. yes, this is wishful thinking. russia will not be defeated and will achieve all the goals of the special operation about this more and more openly. by the way, you in washington, the russian economy did not collapse, but as a result of a breakdown in communication with the west. she seriously improve the health of the russian armed forces. right now , unique experiences that no one else in the world today have and relationships are dominating. in russia, with the non-western world , both political and economic have qualitatively strengthened, and most importantly, peace made a giant step towards multipolarity, and
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western dominance in the global. scale. now there’s not even a question, the united states, of course, will also remain a mighty great power , and being in confrontation with each other, russia and the united states should manage this confrontation exactly, which is what we talked about with anatoly antonov, which means we need a dialogue, including on strategic stability, since the situation in this area is not getting easier and simpler and a clear understanding of each other's red lines is necessary, otherwise the current hybrid war is very quickly. can escalate beyond the hybrid it was a big game and right after we watch, the second series of oliver stone's famous film putin goodbye.
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director oliver stop from attack terrorists or from missile attacks of hostile countries. today, i officially notified russia that the united states of america is withdrawing from the treaty. after all, this treaty was the cornerstone of the entire system of international security. in general, this was the basis of the foundations of international security. and i was first persuaded to support the withdrawal of the united states from this treaty by president clinton, as far as i know, recognition without any reason, because because there is a threat, a threat from iran, then this
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did the most, president, bush i must say that we proposed to work on a missile defense system jointly, the united states, russia and europe. in the end, sadly, our partners refused this proposal . but in order to preserve the most important element of international stability, namely, to maintain the balance of strategic forces, we will then be forced to develop our strike forces. uh, missile systems capable of overcoming any anti- missile turnover systems, the answer was simple it the system we are creating is not against russia, but you are doing what you want, because we proceed from the fact that it is not against america the system
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we are talking about does not undermine the principles of mutual deterrence and strategic stability, the missile defense system that we are developing is not designed to protect against russia, just like the new nato that we are creating, not intended to protect against russia, the cold war is over russia is not in general, the enemy of no rules are new rules. american rules for us here two threats to russia the first is that these anti-missiles are located in the immediate vicinity of our borders in eastern european countries and the second threat is that the launchers of these anti- missiles in a matter of minutes. well, in a few hours they can be converted to
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deploy strike systems there. and now look, it means eastern eastern europe will have complexes installed on the water at sea and, uh, installed on ships. which will be on duty in the mediterranean sea and in the northern and northern seas and in alaska put practically, as if the territory of russia will be surrounded by these systems. in fact, this is another big rough strategic mistake of our partners, because of all these actions. russia adequate response this will mean nothing else. like another round in the city of weapons? in this case, our answer will be much cheaper. ah. it may be somewhere more rough. but it will be
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effective. and we will keep this so-called strategic balance balance - these are very important things reagan and gorbachev came close to this 86 year. they wanted to go all the way to complete disarmament. do you remember how the nuclear project developed? when the united states created the atomic bomb and the soviet union began to actively develop this thirst for an atomic program, domestic scientists and foreign scientists worked in russia, before the germans, our intelligence received a huge amount of information from the united states and it is enough to recall the rosenberg spouses who would have been
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sent to e, to electric leonids finished off the chair, got this information, they only passed. and who gave it to the scientists themselves, who developed the american nuclear atomic bomb? why they do it they realized the danger, they let the genie out of the bottle. it 's impossible to get him there. and this is an international team of scientists. they must have been smarter than the politicians. they are conscious. i think they gave, uh , this information about the soviet union so that the nuclear balance could be restored in the world. we are now trying to break this balance. this is a big mistake. you call them our partners. do you often repeat because the dialogue needs to continue. a congratulate me on the fourth of july, i'm
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an american. my congratulations. today we celebrate independence day. no, russia can survive the war. i don't think anyone would survive. even with a missile shield today, a missile shield would not protect us territories and it seems to me that in this place there are even certain threats, the threat lies in the fact that an illusion of protection can be created and this can lead to more aggressive behavior, so
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it is so important to prevent unilateral actions. here that is why we proposed jointly, developing a system against missile turnover. the same was proposed by john f. kennedy no khrushchev in 603. still. if you are now back to this, how did the cuban missile crisis begin? i'm not a fan of khrushchev, after all, uh, the deployment of soviet missiles in cuba was provoked by the deployment of american missiles in turkey, of which the giant missiles easily reached the territory of the soviet union. khrushchev responded to this by placing, cube. he was not the originator of the caribbean credit. crazy there were times director stanley kubrick i'm
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a fan made the film dr. strangelove or how i fell in love with the bomb. oh it's a must see it 's worth it it's a classic the us war machine of president kennedy's time was steadily growing in power his generals knew the soviet union had no resource to compete with the us a lot of them said it was time to strike the soviet union said ms5 . but what happened then in berlin only added fuel to the fire. the united states today is more right compared to the reagan era hillary clinton, a representative of a more left-wing seemingly
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democratic party, makes very aggressive statements in connection with the events in ukraine, comparing mr. putin with hitler , what is happening is reminiscent of what hitler did back in the thirties. he said that ethnic germans living in czechoslovakia, romania and other countries were treated unfairly. i must go and protect my people. this is what makes everyone so worried, nothing new for you personally, she is energetic. we could also have all sorts of comparisons, but we, due to political culture, refrain from extreme statements, the united states has never waged war on its territory for many influential people, war. something like a game the us is very strong neo-conservative forces. they want to win at any
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cost, it's dangerous. i'm afraid of it. i also greet you dmitry listen to you hard to hear. could you make the music a little quieter, it's much better. yes, yes, listen dmitry. do you remember that we often talked about the fact that we might have problems with the bomb. you understand, so it turned out that the commander of one of our bases in some way, but he was a little damaged in the mind began to behave a little strange, he began to do strange things. i'll tell you what he did he ordered our planes to bomb your country. and the whole point of the
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i liked the russian premier named dmitry you know there are things here that uh really make such things to think about, because for all the fantasticness of what we see on the screen there are things that are quite serious, warning of real dangers. some things are guessed, even from a technical point of view of the concept of nuclear earth. end of the world. everything, it was connected with the hydrogen bomb, scientists talked about it right after the end of the war, truman developed this idea further. the fact is that since then, e is not enough, that little has changed. uh, the only difference is that the modern weapon system has become more complex and this idea is a weapon of retaliation. uh, and impossibility. e management of this system from some point they are all quite relevant
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restrictions and harassment based on gender, moreover, many people openly declare their non-traditional sexual orientation . we keep in touch with them. many of them achieve outstanding results in their activities. uh, they even receive state awards for their achievements. no restrictions there is a propaganda law prohibiting propaganda of homosexuality among minors. yes. and this is, you know, logic. uh, this law is to let the children grow up quietly. and when he grows up, he can make any decision how we build our life, because personal sex life and because of this moment an adult is an adult, and the age of majority according to our law comes from 18 years of age no
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restrictions at all no that is, there is no restriction . whatever you say in russia, the strong traditions of mochismo are very strong. maybe you are partly right, but we still do not have such situations, as in some let's say islamic countries, where mortality threatens a homosexual. it 's different, basically. eh, we have enough society. uh, this also applies to the liberal military, there are no restrictions on the submarine, and there are men. you know that he is gay, there may be problems with this, and i can tell you that it
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is my duty as the head of state today to support traditional values and why, because same-sex marriage, and we need to take care of and the birth rate in the country must be strengthened, at the same time, no one says that someone needs to be pursued. i just wanted to say that even in a society where there are some problems, there are many orphans, same-sex couples can also adopt them. yes? this is possible, i can’t say that i can’t say that in our public consciousness this kind of welcomes, i’m speaking frankly, because after all, a child, in my opinion, he will be more free in his future choice when he becomes adults, if he is brought up in a traditional family. and
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all over russia they say that there was a surge intolerance discrimination cruelty. this began after the passing of a law known as the gay propaganda act by parliament. we came here to support normal people who want to start a family. you go in for sports every day or 5 days a week, it's busting the pool, then the gym to relax your muscles. when you swim, you think at the subconscious level, similar to meditation. this is the foundation. all
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your aggressive energy comes out during judo. yes, i try it still requires an adrenaline rush. do you need a coach, of course to people who are going to concede in competitions. well, i do it already as physical education, then i did it all my life from the age of 13, probably, i never experienced it usefully. i would like to touch on some of the issues that are raised on the page of the magazine for helios it reflects the point of view of the government, the publisher of the council on foreign relations. they have
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many experts who write about the russian view, but this is not true. problems are a threat and have a different attitude towards russia a there are those people who live from election to election. i only think about my own political interests, what did you think when the revolution broke out in ukraine hundreds of thousands of pro-
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democracy supporters in ukraine took to the streets they are protesting the results of the presidential election, which included pro-western candidate viktor yushchenko and pro-russian prime minister viktor yanukovych they claim that yanukovych's victory was falsified reports of facts, ballot stuffing and the election won the same yanukovych but with this the streets are not agreed. riots began, which were actively supported and the united states announced the third round of voting in violation of the country's constitution. this in itself can already be considered a coup by anti-government demonstrators. there is cause for rejoicing: parliament has voted to disband the government of a candidate declared the winner of a disputed presidential election. opposition leader viktor yushchenko joined his supporters to
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celebrate the victory of the majority of votes counted by pro-western economists, came forward with by a margin of 9%, yushchenko thanked the people who took to the streets to demand democratic changes ; his opponent viktor yanukovych looked defeated, but did not give up when he came to power. the absolutely pro-western politicians of the machines cannot say that we welcomed this way of changing power. but then we nevertheless continued cooperation with the authorities of ukraine. i went to kiev, they came to moscow. we met with third countries, carried out all our cooperation plans. but their policy did not suit, the ukrainian people, and therefore, after the presidential term passed, er yushchenko, mr. yanukovych won the elections and everyone recognized it.
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the philosophy of, uh, international american policy in this region is that it is necessary, and in no case to allow rapprochement between ukraine and russia. that's because someone sees some kind of threat in this, someone thinks uh, uh hmm this is a source of the growth of russia's power and it is necessary at all costs to prevent any rapprochement between russia and ukraine, e, but it seems to me that the action, based on these considerations, and not on considerations of the freedom of choice of the ukrainian people , many of our us partners in europe acted in support of the radical elements in ukraine, the nationalist ukraine elements. from this point of view, from the point of view of such an approach, it is a win-win. so in that sense, those who did it achieved their goal and did it flawlessly. they are well done but, but if you look at the
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problem more broadly, not from the point of view of a momentary confrontation. paying around satets on based on some external threat, and if you look at the development of the world community, as i said 25 years ahead, look at how situations develop, then it would be necessary to change the philosophy, uh, to international relations. then you decided not to react to the situation, but then between 2000 the second and 2000 the seventh, when the conference in munich took place the whole disaster in iraq changed to afghanistan then you changed your point of view reacting to the situation. i'm just talking about how we evaluate the situation that develops. well, look, the soviet union collapsed the enemy, no for the united states for the west as a whole why do we need to expand? against who? to ensure the
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safety of all countries if they feel in danger. with everyone, it is necessary to expand nato, it is possible to conclude bilateral agreements on security and mutual assistance, it is not necessary to create the image of an enemy out of someone two waves of expansions, it was not necessary, but i look forward to meeting my friend vladimir putin in shanghai to declare once again that the cold war finished. she's gone, we're dealing with new ones threats. ah. well, after that, the united states unilaterally withdrew from the anti- ballistic missile treaty. and to us and to us all the time they say to you. this does not apply to you. it's not worth the threat. well, now it was allegedly done against iran. but now i know that there is no problem iran signed an agreement with it, abandoned all nuclear programs, the military in the united states agreed with this, signed the relevant documents, and the program for the
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development of the anti-missile defense system with its elements in europe continues at full speed against who, then, well, it forces us to somehow react to it. right. we know that you will support georgia in 2008. we were surprised when we saw that the aggressive actions of president saakashvili were not something that weren't supported. in fact, i'm trying to turn everything upside down. we wanted to imagine doing it as if it was russia that showed aggression, georgia was attacked by its neighbor russia today . day russian war planes bomb georgia many planes. has been hit before the entire us civilian population is supported by the democratically elected government of georgia by a column of russian tanks. invaded the former
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soviet republic of georgia today georgia attacked the breakaway republic of south ossetia to bring it back under the control of veles georgia continues airborne artillery bombardment of south ossetia's capital tskhinvali hundreds of civilians with over 70 rebels killed these days. i did not believe my ears and eyes later when i saw that with uh, the western media were accused of this attack by russia and most importantly, that in this millions of people around the world believed in it. you see , mr. saakashvili publicly stated that he ordered the troops to begin this action, and you risked your government attempted to return south ossetia less than a day ago. no, we didn't. you suppose. it is reasonable. we did not do this yesterday at midnight russian armored personnel carriers. having invaded the territory of georgia, we were forced
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to fight back and opened fire in return. we had to take action, it was a clear intervention. how do you do you think the united states or nato somehow supported saakashvili said yes, you can try i do n’t, i don’t have one hundred percent certainty that someone provoked him there, someone behind him pushed him. i do not know this, but it seems to me that he would never have decided on this provocation on his own. i think so. and in any case, no one really stopped him. putin is a very direct and very tough person when it comes to his interests. so did i. and we had clashes at the diplomatic level, most americans think that russia is just as bad if we talk about surveillance as it is in america it's just a guess because of the former kgb better than the states
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because we don't have that capacity. if we were, maybe we were the same. uh-huh. you seriously mean that you are losing technically. i'm not talking about funding for technology, firstly, the funding is colossal, it goes to the special services in the united states, we cannot afford this. yes, there is a difference, yes, and then you know, after all, after the times of the soviet union and such absolute authoritarianism, after all, we have a certain rejection, as permissiveness to the secret service. mass collection of information from various means of communication in any form is practiced in russia. no, i can say for sure, that is, only aiming absolutely yes, i'm only talking about collecting information about him decoding about using telephone and internet networks for this. no, no, no,
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we are talking about such a massive coverage of such a network quite responsibly, yes, 15% of the inhabitants of russia are muslims. at least. i've been told so by many of them live in moscow that is, you say that there is no mass collection of data on muslims. no, one hundred percent, but conflicts between, say, islam , christianity, judaism. we never had, and then here are our e, representatives of the musla-e of the islamic community. they are citizens of russia, they have no other homeland, russia and the homeland, we can continue with you. goodnight. ugh thanks.
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i'd like to talk a little. oh with laptop. we said that you had a good relationship. with the bush, probable fun also brought him out negotiations on syria were negotiations on iran, and then suddenly gave refuge to edward again. not exactly. so our ratio as a whole was overshadowed by the support of the united states for terrorist groups. uh, in the caucasus, this has always been a problem in our bilateral relations. so there were a lot of problems with our
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bilateral relations. and so june 2013 we are told that snowden is on his way. i'm sure you received a call from the united states, obama called. how did the events unfold, what did you do, first of all, contacts with the citizen again took place in china, yes. and when we were told that there is a person who wants to fight for human rights and against their violation, that's all. we must give credit to the citizens. he he uh was not going to hand over any information there, he called for a joint fight. and when when it turned out that we are not yet ready for this. i will probably disappoint a lot of people. maybe you have said that it is not for us. we do n't want to have this, we already have complicated relations with the united states. and we don't need additional complications. so he just left
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and disappeared. and then i really reported that mr. snowden is on a plane that is supposed to land in moscow and then he has to transfer from another plane and fly on to latin america, in my opinion, in latin america, in my opinion, yes, it turned out that it was strange where he was going to fly , firstly, the first one is not very accepted, and the second is information not from us, but uh, from other sources, the media immediately got it and it became clear that he would not be allowed to fly anywhere just like that. he was on a plane, and he ended up in the transit hall passengers. he is a man, he must be given his due courageously. and if not to say a little, but
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for some time he asked us in e. not for transit passengers, and then we gave him temporary shelter. well, of course, the american side. uh, asking us to pull it out is clear that we couldn't do it. why because we once offered the united states to conclude an agreement on cooperation in the legal field. this was our initiative. this also involved the mutual extradition of criminals, the united states refused from cooperation with us in this area, and according to our law, he did not violate anything, therefore, in the absence of this agreement, but mutual extradition. given that the united states itself has never handed over to us criminals who found refuge in the united states, to do unilaterally what our american partners asked us to do was absolutely unacceptable. obama called you, i do n't want to talk about it this thing is confidential. let me ask. i
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'm sure how ex-kgb officer you experienced disgust at what snowden did is nothing like that. eh, snowden is not a traitor. he did not accept the interests of his country and did not pass on to the other side any information that was detrimental to his people. everything he does, he does publicly. do you agree that he did not? your national security agency went too far with wiretapping with a new license, but you asked me, i told you directly, i think i shouldn't have done it anyway. if he does not like something in the job for which
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invited, you just had to quit and that's it. eh, but he moved on. that's his right, but uh, if you asked me to talk, we don't get it wrong and you think he shouldn't have said anything. i'm just resigning, as mr. putin did when he left for the kgb perhaps yes, i didn't think about it, but i guess it's just because i didn't agree with the actions that the government attempted state coup. i did not want to remain in the ranks of the special services. uh, at this time ok you agree that ainb has gone too far. and how do you assess the work of the russian special services. i think that they are working well. the special services work exclusively within the framework of the current one. and the second is to keep an eye on the allies. if you
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really consider them allies, and they are vassals, this is indecent. it undermines trust, which means it ultimately damages our own national security the scene we're showing snowden analyzes a heat map of swearing around the mail world and skype calls france 70 million germany 500 million brazil 2 billion, usa 3.1 billion call letters excluding data from sensible in russia 1.5 billion, that is, in america twice as much as in russia , a lot of scattering in the second place america in first unfortunately, today's work practice. i'm
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an adult. i understand how it works, but watch out for allies. here's what's right and not right. you should spy on the usa if they are spying on you the americans think you are spying on the usa and i don't mind if they're doing this in russian relations if we talk about russian american relations, it's a matter of. snowd apparently stepped up the neoconservative movement. america is conservative. once again, they turned their attention to russia, soon the ukrainian question arose. i think snowden was just a pawn in the game. unless they wanted to set him up when he ended up in moscow. that's too subtle. it's serious there, so i'm sure that it was just the american authorities that acted under pressure. uh, circumstances got nervous and made mistakes. it
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it saved the prison. he is a courageous person and with a character i really don't know how he will build his life. one clearly the only place where he can feel safe is here in russia i think yes, the first one is not fate, in the old days russian defectors sought refuge in america and now it’s the other way around, this is not today, nothing unusual. i would not say that they did not try to demonize russia. russia is a democratic state. certain problems are associated with this, but there are also great advantages in this for countries that can enjoy their sovereignty can be counted on hand. they are burdened with so
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