all those who are in the southern direction can do something, so i completely agree with nikolaevich. these words are such a game. these are calculations for their own public, for their population, which, in general, is also not all russophobic, far from everything, but on the other hand, this is practical work, practical work with future or current allies of romania, moldova, there is the issue of transnistria and there you can’t give e , reunite. e russia from transnistria and so on, therefore, trust these e words, e, macron and some figures, such as him, but it would be, and you do not think that these words can be followed by certain cases and pressure on ukraine, and here is the connection. after all, the european union, and in particular the macron, scholz and dredge, which, according to western information, have a leg. tomorrow they can be in kiev and hold negotiations with zelensky . a very serious lever of pressure on him is the

granting of the status of a candidate for a member of the european union, this will be decided not by the european commission, not by the european parliament, but by the member states of the european union, so you do not exclude that macron scholz and dredges can actually put. uh, zelensky before the choice before presenting him with an ultimatum if you like, a candidate status e members of the european union in exchange for negotiations in exchange. at least freezing the conflict and perhaps even certain territorial concessions to russia, you rule out , they can put pressure. but what is the purpose of this operational pause again zelensky stop. start negotiations. start talking. this is beneficial to us. this is beneficial to europe. it is beneficial to you. we give you a horse. during this time you have more oxygen

get in that sense. yes, i think it probably will. uh, let zelensky start negotiations, but firstly, it’s not at all disadvantageous and incomprehensible to us, but what’s the matter, what should we talk about with him. what are the conditions for recognizing the donbass and e, luhansk and donetsk and crimea but these are not the goals of our action, which the president of the devil clearly outlined where the nosification of demilitarization and so on, that is, it also turns out about the nazi government. yes? what statistics did we start this promotion with, so they can and, probably, they will put pressure, they can put pressure, of course, although you know, if they start to put pressure on zelensky like that, there is still albania, north macedonia, and so on and so forth, kosovo, serbia, they are also turkey turkey yes, everything is possible. let's accept us. you

accept a warring country zelensky and so on, then it will also remain such a bait, then the acceptance of nikolai yuryevich you probably already know the georgians. even offended by the position of the european union , they said that they are much more suitable to meet the eu membership criteria it's true, actually. they correspond more than the foreign policy of the eu security policy there to popular interpretations, in fact, it involves military intervention in case they are attacked, yes. or, as they say here in one of the eu countries. that is why it is very very dangerous. yes, that's why russia says that it is changing its attitude towards the issue of ukraine's accession to the european union. there in march it was yes, because, but because today the european union is really becoming a de facto, uh appendage nato and when the european union raises the question of granting in general. the status of not even inferior

membership, even the status of a candidate for a country such as ukraine, which, according to even the rating of transparency international, is in the lowest places. yes, at the tail of the list, which is known for its boundless corruption. and where today the authoritarian political regime exists and is being strengthened, and so on and so forth. yes , a country that is in a state of military conflict, thus the european union, in fact, but explodes its own nature. yes, because the european union, by granting or even talking about granting the status of a candidate to such a country, acts as a geopolitical entity that proceeds from geopolitical interests, and not a normative-legal integration entity, which the european union has been throughout the vast majority of history, starting from 19. fifty-seventh year, the signing

of rome agreements on the formation of european economic communities. i don't think that ukraine candidature status will be granted, but if it is granted now, yes, and perhaps again in the form of a deal. yes, in exchange for negotiations between ukraine and ukraine's consent to negotiations, this will actually be the beginning of the end of the european union. when it is necessary to leave the issue in europe not only about economic war. and about the fact that you are ready for a full-fledged war. if ukraine and the answer is definitely no, here, uh, we talked about the fact that the west miscalculated, uh, counting on the military defeat of russia, the west also apparently miscalculated about anti-russian sanctions, and the other day, uh, president joe biden finally openly and officially admitted that the high inflation in the united states, unprecedentedly high over the past 40 years, is a quote subpro. help ukraine yes, he said that

putin is to blame for inflation. yes it turns out that this is a by-product of american assistance to ukraine and that this inflation is for a long time and because this inflation. a-a brings down political positions. e biden to his democratic administration in the run-up to the midterm elections, then indeed in the united states begins a certain reflection on the correctness of their current policy. and, uh, very important. it seems to me that the statement e made at a recent hearing in the senate was the undersecretary of the treasury of the united states, willie. and deyma, who said that anti-russian sanctions may be redundant attention. listen to his statement here. the united states expresses concern due to the fact that the sanctions imposed on russia may become excessive only in the united states, we have imposed

a thousand sanctions against russian structures and individuals during the russian invasion, given the complexity of the russian economy. its relationship with the global economy. we needed additional staff to help with the analysis. how can we better hit the russian economy and at the same time minimize the consequences for our economy stanislav pavlovich, how will you comment on this revelation well, how would it come to people at some stage that if russia is included in international trade. if it's not iran, it's not north korea, it's a country that, if priority to read in the gdp, we are, in fact, there in the top ten. at least. yes, and if you pump up punishment through secondary sanctions, everyone in the world works with russia, you just need to travel around the economic war around the world, and this is already bad for the american companies themselves that work with this world. they now realize that they hurt their own business. often had connections with some eastern colleagues or asian colleagues there, and now there are chains already between america and these asian

tear with eastern companies, because, uh, asians or middle eastern companies have worked with russia well, we have a huge number of such figmers cator, owns a fifth of rosneft, for example, yes, well, there are a huge number of such examples, so you need either sanctions like- then reduce them. ah, toughness. yes, or promises with him that we will not fulfill them to the end. and if you do n’t fulfill it to the end, then their pedagogical political, as it were, begins to decline, then a person is afraid, they already they began to reduce it due to the fact that they said that let's partially remove sanctions from iran from venezuela somewhere before pedagogy, when the political e. well, it means that if these countries have been removed against us, then we can be removed, so now they will actually begin to weaken the sanctions. i think the political parties will dwindle. and if you introduce new ones, and own it, but it is again the piston to again raise the stakes in the game. this is the most tankin incident in the economic sense, which means that we still need to blue ourselves, because there will be new sanctions. here, turning around an increase in inflation is getting into an economic war that will be. naturally , it is too costly for ourselves, so far, by the way,

we can only talk more about the seventh sanction about the seventh gas package. by the way, the americans themselves don’t even say it, but they will try to portray it, because the very political logic will push us towards this, or we are already squandering sanctions or admitting that russia has withstood or then we will reduce them. but then, all the more stupid, but in fact de facto the united states, if not declining sanctions, they are at least postponing their introduction, because the us treasury, for example, only yesterday extended for another six months, and the entry into force of sanctions against russian banks of five russian banks. this is the opening of sovcombank sberbank vtb and alfa-bank, and they have been issued licenses in accordance with which, uh, the united states, the us treasury department can conduct transactions with these banks on energy issues, as well, and this license is valid for the russian center of the bank and in yes. that is, de facto postponing sanctions for an indefinite future. and yet you very correctly said about the fact that a

reached them. here it seems to me that this is a problem. uh, in general, the quality of political decisions, the quality of expertise in the united states, which are becoming more and more relevant, but, because in terms of purchasing power parity russia is the sixth economy in the world, the central intelligence agency has been officially using uh, uh purchasing power parity as the correct system for 2 years. calculation of gdp and not nominally. yes and they apply it to everyone, they say that it’s more of an indicator, but when it came to anti-russian sanctions, for some reason everyone thought, uh, well, or at least the administration’s leadership thought, yes, russia is what they used to say , yes, upper volta with rockets is a country of a gas station, so to speak, 1,5% or 2% of world gdp, and now we once again wrote about its economy, now they are already envious, they say, the country is a gas station. here, how are you? this is a paradox. i think that the americans themselves

have created such an informational ideological environment for themselves, in including consulting with the russian opposition, inside which they have developed a holistic worldview, and the place of russia and together the united states in this world. and this is a very consistent and rather primitive picture ; there are few colors, there are few details, there are rather large generalizations of the picture drawn with such a paint roller. i would say that this is not a realistic tradition, in large strokes and of course, when the main advisers of the white house and the state department of other decision-making places are, uh, fugitives russian. uh, that means, uh, people who were engaged in ideas or propaganda are difficult to characterize, and whose life is built on hatred for their own country, whose worldview is arranged in such a way that they can explain any meanness towards it and of course such people. americans are pleased, because it seems to them that

look at the real russian, the correct russian who counts. uh, the way we feel and of course there is no contradiction in what they say and what we think and invite to this a picture of a russian who does not agree with what is happening, a person who, or just a person who takes a sober look at the situation and can explain russia's real contribution to global value chains. uh, how exactly does our e our industry that focuses on export affect the pricing environment in different parts of the world. i think it's a task with an asterisk, and it 's hard to do, and to hear such hard-hitting assessments, you need a lot of realism, a lot of strategic culture and ability listen to people you disagree with. better yet, uh, joe biden listened to his own cia director, uh, william burns, talking about the very question of joining. ukraine and georgia in nato is a fundamental

mistake and it led to the current aggravation. uh, actually russian western uh relations, and it seems to me that the united states underestimated not only the role of russia in the world economy. they underestimated the global tectonic changes that have taken place in the world over the past a decade and a half, and they overestimated their own influence and actual leadership potential. let's remember that even a year ago. uh, joe biden said that the world was waiting for the return, the us as a benevolent hegemon. and now that, as he said, america has returned after the trump period, american global leadership will recover by itself, but we see that it is not the western world that has not recovered. and this is the vast majority of the countries of the world, the vast majority, both in terms of population and economic weight, did not rally around of the united states and the point here, of course, is not in trump, but in the fact that the arrival of a lot of arna structure is

irreversible and the most striking embodiment of this multipolarity is now brik with the unification of russia and china and india brazil and south africa china and which is chairing this year in brix he advocates the expansion of this association. i fully support this. by the way , he himself suggested, uh, to think about expanding the brix in the twentieth year, when russia chaired this association, and so today the speaker of the state duma russia's vyacheslav volodin noted that if such a non-western g8 is formed, this is china india russia indonesia brazil mexico iran and turkey, then in terms of gross domestic product at purchasing power parity. it overtakes the western big seven by almost 25% . so the future belongs to the non- west, and russia will remain one of the undisputed leaders of this non-west. it was a big game. all

the best. time will tell, we continue to work live as part of the information channel on the first ya artyom shenin. you know, we are on television, in general, people are very superstitious and well, now is such a period when in some things you need to be sovereign, but today is the day when i very carefully, being my faithful one, start with the words that today, it seems, they are less shelled. well, that is, they practically do not fire. no, yes, they are shelling the lc. uh, according to stakhanov, information is now coming, that is, ah, the shelling has not stopped, but that terrible, some completely barbaric, monstrous, such some kind of ostentatious shelling precisely in peaceful quarters. uh, and

there is no donetsk region, and uh, this brings us back to the conversation that when we discussed the reasons for, uh, this multi-day outbreak of such brutal barbaric ones. there may be different reasons for shelling, we will talk about some of them today, because, of course, they are waiting in kiev tomorrow. this means that the guests are european and, of course, you need to look, so to speak, more european, let's talk about it. but, as one of the reasons we called. and these shellings, as an attempt to divert our forces from of that region to the north, but on the territory of the el, which is already located, where we have quite obvious, and military successes that are developing, like even greater military successes. this is the north of donetsk it's like now kramatorsk and further there, like a slavic seam, talking about the fact that these shellings from avdiivka, which obviously cannot be taken head-on by a storm. they were called. uh, decide to try to

solve the problem in order to break somewhere. uh, moral emotionally, to some kind of assault artillery units were withdrawn from the front and transferred to that area. in general, to somehow all this, which is an additional sign that the situation is indeed in the severodonetsk area or now and all of this bridgehead. it is really very difficult for e vsu. and so here they are here to find measures. and this means that what is happening there is very important for us. and by the way, they are starting to appear there in severodonetsk , you know, such signs appeared today. uh, deja vu, i'm even in my channel this morning in telegram wrote that such, as it were, deja vu mariupol two is not even mariupol 2 azovstal 2, because it reminds a lot, that is, again thousands were taken hostage or they say 1,200

civilians again, these people are remember, they are absolutely in the dark. we already talked about when they came out of there, it turns out that there were no humanitarian corridors. and this is again deja vu, we again announce humanitarian corridors for civilians again along these corridors. nobody comes out today. e actually. it was torn down by the message of the official representatives of the lpr. one of the seventy-four-year-olds came out, grandfather and that one, as i understand it, he came out not because he knew, but because he just came out and renders. nobody tells anyone anything. and here it is, uh, deja vu well, you need to understand how to proceed, it will all develop there. ah. we will now talk about this and not only about this with the official representative of the people's militia of the lpr. andrey vitalievich barochka, i wish you good health andrey vitalievich please tell us what we have in the area of ​​the industrial zone, what we have in hostage situations along humanitarian corridors. who do we have on the other side? how do you communicate with them and so on, we are all interested. we

are listening, please. i wish you good health, artyom, but to the above you yes, indeed, donetsk has stopped shelling. well, here is the territory of the luhansk people’s republic. probably, they switched to it, because for the last two days we have been hit by a tactical missile system at point y, and today, literally since the second half of the day , three attacks by hurricanes have already been recorded. uh three settlements were subjected. uh, massive shelling is already receiving information that there is a victim among peaceful, uh, citizens. uh, just a couple of minutes ago information came about stakhanov. here is the headquarters of the territorial defense that six people were injured, of which two were children. so here, uh, a little. i'll probably reduce your positive, uh, because, well, you can't trust such people. these are ardent fascists who are engaged in genocide. well, now with regards.

uh, locality, severodonetsk so today at 8:00 am. uh was open, humanitarian corridor, this humanitarian corridor did not last even half an hour. e 8 hours. it was opened and at 8:10 the armed formations of ukraine struck. uh, the fire on the settlement i want to note right away that the fire was fired from e, a 120-mm mortar, but presumably it was, but it was also fire, it was fired from a tank. well , if we take mortar fire, there's another way to write it off, er, to the fact that this is some kind of chaotic fire. well, excuse the operator of the tank closer, he perfectly passed where he fired. naturally, from here you can make a logical the conclusion is that no one was absolutely going to evacuate people, er, from this enterprise. moreover

, i monitored the ukrainian media for some statements about this green corridor. and so the deepest silence is not a heather, not a gauliator. gaidai absolutely did not speak about this humanitarian corridor anywhere, moreover, that elderly man who, quite by chance, at 7:00 in the morning. uh, got out to our positions. he really confirmed that no one is absolutely to the citizens who are hostage there at the enterprise. absolutely did not inform about this humanitarian corridor. now the ukrainian authorities are very actively trying to make it possible to evacuate people to the territory of ukraine, it was only possible, let's say. uh, to some corridor in the direction of the settlement, lisichansk but we already know and discussed with you, perhaps, now it is divided by the river seversky

donetsk at the moment does not exist. absolutely not a single whole bridge along which it was possible to bring people to this populated point, so the general staff of the russian federation proposed to evacuate people to the settlements of the matchmaker, which is located deep in the rear. here it is located and there is a safe road along which you can really take people out. well, relatively safe, i want to note right away that as soon as there was a statement from the general staff. uh, the armed formation of ukraine struck a point u tactical missile system at this settlement, that is, they immediately showed that it was unsafe like that. uh way demonstrated that the evacuation of citizens is already practically impossible, moreover, all the ways that the entrances to the city, severodonetsk are now at the moment. there are many roads here. well, these are all the roads they are on a regular

basis. the faces of the ukrainian artillery, literally every minute either a shell or a mine arrives, so with regards to the evacuation of the settlement , severodonetsk is probably very, uh, such a confirmation that the ukrainian authorities absolutely do not care about their citizens. and these are all their statements, uh, that they make, that they are worried about those residents who are at the enterprise, nitrogen. this is a blatant lie. in my opinion, i have already given enough arguments in my favor that the ukrainian government does not care about the citizens of donbass at all and, in fact, arranges genocide on the territory of donbass and the luhansk donetsk people's republics. and here i am just about what you said to me one clarification. i understand you correctly that these mortars and the alleged nona and the tank are fire. they opened in the

direction of humanitarian corridors. from the territory just this industrial zone, and from the territory of nitrogen, that is, and uh, yes, right, i understand you? so you are absolutely right, moreover, these strikes were carried out at the alleged place of gathering of people. went there today. uh, a whole pool of journalists. they are under, let's say, their fear and risk. uh, we made our way to the settlements. severodonetsk has footage already from there. so, civilians, they reveal the whole truth about their attitude towards them in general, and many say that when the armed formations of ukraine came out they said, if you stay here, then you separatists, that is, they no longer count them. for their people, and today the representatives of the media, er, when they drove into the settlement, severodonetsk, they themselves saw for themselves that the people there are

really positive. hey, we're very glad we came. uh, russian troops and our servicemen they endured, all this oppression for 8 years, and all ukrainian propaganda is simply smashed to smithereens. uh, the fact that they kept saying that the city of severodonetsk is a ukrainian city is absolutely untrue information. and now even more aggravated by the fact that hostages really can be about a thousand people at this enterprise. and if we take into account the fact that these people are there for quite a long time without any special supplies, then the state. there now they have a simply catastrophic air temperature above 30 ° c, and people can’t get up from the basement for 5 days in order to simply get water. it's just not safe and might be worth your life just to go get some water. and if we do n't do this evacuation soon. i can

to assume that we can face the fact. when people start to just die from exhaustion and dehydration. well, look at the situation that you described, it looks like this, which means the militants. e, located on the territory of this industrial zone and the armed forces of ukraine, shelling the matchmaker creates conditions under which it is impossible for citizens to exit through humanitarian corridors, according to the ukrainian authorities, apparently. it is not necessary. she wants to create a humanitarian catastrophe there. and so you said about water already. actually it creates further the question arises. and you, about these civilians, about these humanitarian corridors. how do you notify the people who are there, and if you have some kind of contact party, after all, regarding the same azov steel, we later learned that there were still some negotiations going on, that there was some kind of negotiating group from that side. and

now you are with someone in general from the ukrainian side, so you are in contact and how you notify people there, how it is, in general everything is arranged, please, artem well we are participants in hostilities and there are some moments, about which i know very well that people communicate against, let's say, the warring parties communicate this really. so it is not advertised, but there are communication channels through which you can, let's say, discuss some points. naturally, citizens. we tried to announce by loudspeaker. but we must understand that it is 20 m², that is, not always a loudspeaker. maybe, e, to finish up, e, the basement, especially since people are sitting in the basement e to carry out for leafing, too, a thing, let's say dangerous event. well, in some moments. we even ran over to such a way. eh, because. well

, leaflets, they still scatter around the territory. and all the same, people, maybe one person will find it and be somehow uh about uh, informed, but in fact the problem is that uh, as in the case of absolutely, you rightly noted with the basics of steel e not give command ukrainian. eh, guidance. maybe they would have been glad to give up and let people go, because, well, there are ardent radicals out there. but there are abnormal adequate people who cannot look at the suffering of children. uh, old women who are sitting in the basement already without food and without water. well, let's say the whole thing, so the crux of the matter, what e kiev does not make any contacts at all and does not give. uh, directions along your line so that people can be released. and you have already partly answered my last question, which i was going to ask, and when was

the azov-steel. and in fact, there was a lot of noise around it, including in the ukrainian authorities, because it was a battalion. azov it was their symbol, and therefore all these dances and dances were. eh, around it. as i understand it, there is nothing so symbolic among those who are locked up in this industrial zone. and for now. at least they did n't show up. you are absolutely right. although on the territory of this enterprise there are e, representatives of azov and the right sector and others. uh, the right of the radical forces of ukraine, that is, there, uh, a kind of hodgepodge, moreover, foreign mercenaries are also noted there, that is, a picture, as they say in oil, everything is absolutely just like on azov, but only this time , for some reason, no one raises the hype and no one e is worried about those who are there, and we understand perfectly well that they have there in fact, there are

only two chances to survive. this is the first to lay down their arms and get out and the second. they have a chance to lay down their arms and come out with all the other options. no, two chances. uh, lead to one and otherwise. they will simply be eliminated. we, too, will not wait until they are elected. uh, they'll kill people there. we will still carry on. uh, some local special opera. uh, and for a square meter we will liberate this territory, and they are running out of provisions and ammunition, therefore, we need, uh, to think something and decide something. i understood you. thanks andrey vitalievich and you for this story, as always, hold on, we are with you, and good luck. i hope every day you and i will uh, well, discuss the next next, and the stages of yours, and hence our successes. thank you very much. it was andrei marochka, the official representative of the people's militia of the lpr. well, it's really interesting. uh, peculiarity. so far, at least for here in

the industrial zone of severodonetsk it is noted. and that there are many parallels, of course, but the main difference is that not only the ukrainian leadership stood up around the azov, but, so to speak, all progressive humanity was very worried about the civilian people who are there, it means inside, but here severodonetsk has such an impression, that no one is interested in you at all. explanation here's the thing. what's the difference? no , well, first of all, you and i know that the law of repetition. uh, information, each repeated information. it decreases approximately by the effect of time in five. that is, accordingly, no one saw the mass executions of the azov people. no one saw their destruction, so to speak, on an industrial scale, respectively, everyone understood how the whole situation would have gone into a routine, they gave up and left finished, the news story is about the same here. here, no one is waiting for anything. everything is great. they know that ours will behave

decently. because they have been leading for 100-odd days, then the next question arises. if how you rightly say that information wave that was driven about the eye for a month. i think one and a half yes, macron, i remember calling, so, in my opinion, the turks called the israelis , too, something he came. he came to discuss, so this one, how to insert it, if you say that there will be nothing to work out the situation, then the second question arises. why are people being dragged in, in fact? here is how andrey vitalyevich explained. it is quite obvious that these thousands of people somehow for some reason want to keep in a hostage situation, hostages are always a terrorist, a vsu. in this case, absolutely terrorists are always needed for something, in order to exchange them for something. in this case, what they can be exchanged for, given the situation. here the situation is just different in that, on azov , on azov, foreign mercenaries could be counted on the fingers, and here they are sitting a whole gang

according to various calculations. there are from 80 there to 200 people. and they, too, just perfectly understand that her hostages must be kept at any cost, because their no one is really going to save, and either then they will somehow be able to bargain, or it will be very bad, because again, even for terrorists, bargaining means starting to release the hostages. i think that everything is being prepared for several options. let me remind you that if, again, you watch deja vu, then you need to understand that we will have to wait for a certain attempt, a breakthrough, most likely, especially since they don’t have to run 100 km, there’s not 50 km to the front, but only to swim across the little line by and large and properly organized in this case of the withdrawal of the civilian population, which naturally, we will not shoot at him. coincided, for example, with his breakthrough across the river lightly. he may well be, so what are they preparing for one can guess? i just wanted to say sorry one question. you asked. why did the shelling of donetsk suddenly stop and my personal opinion, very

simple in the west, they noticed he threatened with his finger today, yes, talk about it? well, maybe this is due to the fact, as i said, that i'm coming tomorrow, and the grown-up guys. and you need before look like them. eh, so to speak, as if well we will talk about it. i just wanted to end this situation. why am i saying this? why do they need hostages? the fact is that, uh, the whole situation immediately arose in mariupol unfolding when well, in fact. it was clear to all healthy people that no one could break through there, yes, and there were no military operations around. especially they were not here, as a matter of fact, there is severodonetsk if it is now, kramatorsk and then there is slavyansk , what confuses me most of all if they they keep the industrial zone, so to speak, as a pressure factor in terms of the development of our e-combat ones. uh, successes, which i understand, are on the rise there , you know, if we now close the cauldron of podlechansk, and everything goes towards this, just our main successes. they go to the west to the

north, lisichansk, where the ticks begin to move towards each other and there remains between them, in my opinion, there is not exactly seven, somewhere 8 km, and in this case, then not everyone will turn out to be suicide bombers, you understand, because here is that one the cauldron that once slammed, the whole of mariupol is here. it can be repeated approximately, and there will be much more people sitting here, because in addition to those who are sitting at the plant. there are still approximately 7-8.000 lisichansk and is it around now? he is sitting on the fortified areas, so for them right now the question is combat planning, so to speak, an offensive. he's more of a fantasy. their task now is to hold the walls so as not to be, you say, there are 7-8 km left before the ticks collapse. it is 7-8 km. uh, gnawing through the fortified one, they will linger there with all their might. here they hold on to every meter really. they throw everything they have there, even transfer it from other areas, because they perfectly understand the price of the issue. if this front, that is, this piece

, collapses, then in fact there will be nowhere to hold on, if you return the map, then you can see that this is a map at the last moment, where there is, as it were, a terrain and extremely suitable there return or weed nearby and two cities such supporting each other, what is called supporting and resisting or now. uh, severodonetsk and uh, to this again and they burrowed and cooked there for 8 years. now, if it’s all like with then they can really linger only near slavyansk kramatorsk, but it will already be agony, because it’s great, it’s clear that if all these googles are cut off, only this one will remain, uh, not even an arc, already a certain section of the arc, then we will certainly gnaw it. uh-huh well, god forbid, god forbid, but now we are just moving on, but to a conversation about motivation. eh, why did they stop there? why didn't they stop? who do they want to impress? and well, here's what i just

wanted to talk about in connection with this. today, uh, the president, former ukraine, uh, still the president, but already the former ukraine, zelensky, which means that he spoke to the danish parliamentarians, and he understands perfectly, and perhaps these questions brought him to this. there, everyone was interested in whether they would be weapons, which he, of course, continues to ask them to fire on russian territory. and here is a very interesting answer. uh, i would even say, unexpected for a person whose troops are all this is to the question of why whose troops suddenly stopped today for eight years, and especially now, well, the last weeks. it was just something with something to remind everyone of the ironed civilians . they ironed the city blocks, ironed the maternity hospitals of the lyceum schools, and so on. and now, after all this, the president and commander-in-chief of the army that was engaged in this, says, such a phrase, as always, he knows how to be very pathetic, please.

we are not interested in shelling civilians. we are not terrorists to fire on civilians quarters, we are normal healthy people. this is a weapon. we need to free our state. first of all, alexander vladimirovich, well, i am very glad to see you here, i know that your path here was very difficult. i'm not going to ask you what he was, and because i know. eh, that these paths are very difficult for everyone who gets out of there, and let it be, so to speak, it will remain until we find out all this someday, but i have a question for you, as a person who just recently had. right there inside of it all about that's how since we are healthy people, but we do not need anything. tell me. i want to understand this, because you are from within from there. and what is there really with health, what is there with the reality that is happening in the head? here they are in power, what is there in the press, what is there with - present - with the

moods with the state of the heads of people who are in what reality they live and so on. this is all very interesting, please. there is only one reality to know there is absolutely dictatorship of the information field, that is, absolutely all information channels are closed. media yes, that is us we know a year ago he closed all the others closed, in addition, criminal liability was introduced. yes, that is, under uh, the justification for russia's aggression, as they call it? you can sum up anything you like, for example, here is the same bucha yes , which was, for example, it's just that a woman writes comments on social networks. simply, yes, this is not some public person. just writing a comment. and i, for one, doubt that this is russia . it seems to me that this is a staging of a criminal case, because they are already summing it up under justification aggression, so here is everything that zelensky says. if you do not agree, then there may be conditional responsibility. here is recently the prosecutor general prosecutordictov. she announced these figures as more than 20,000 criminal cases. just think about it, more than 70 criminal cases per day across the country are

initiated against people. just for some comments or something else. that is, there is just a total dictatorship. yeah, well, a total dictatorship, which, judging by the fact that these things happen every day. uh, still excited. until then everything still doesn't work for everyone. that's to what extent, because you just understand we are here when we discuss all this. i am often told here are the guests in our studio. you know, the majority of ukrainians are there. they cursed us there, or there, which means that you have achieved that today all ukrainians, who may not even have a very good attitude towards zelensky. they rallied around zelensky and the ukrainian authorities, because here you are back and forth. i want to understand, but in fact, what is there with the mood of people, what is there with the heads of people and etc. here with all this pressure and so on. yes? well, if we are talking about just a picture that is there in everyday life and publicly. yes, certainly people of will. maybe someone is not willing, they support. i definitely don’t believe zelensky’s rating, because

, well, what ratings can be, if only zelensky tv works, you can draw any numbers there, yes, that is, because i say it again, that is and perhaps not the will, yes, that is, someone who, for example, was in office, with someone business, yes, that is, they are forced, for example, to play. well, not that you have to understand, that is, here every person has such a time, he determines for himself. yes, when life is divided into before and after , into friends and foes. that is, he each determines for himself, i'm losing something, yes, or i accept some rules. this is where i made those rules. for example, he supports zelensky, he supports there, uh, what is happening. yes, that is, in order not to lose something, so that it is not touched, yes, that is, there are people who are simply silent publicly express their position there. this is nonsense. this is an immediate criminal case. but what kind of mood, that is, i'm talking about the people with whom i spoke. yes, here are those people who were close to me, here is the position of those people, it was, and remains the position of other people. well, i ca n't say. that's what position was i can tell you for my position. let's

understand for our own, that is, here, yes, like mine, that is, we, let's assume this backstory. yes, that is, when here i was on the mortar. yes, that is, everything is with me, understandable, well, many were numbers creators people. well , when they came to my hut, when they put me face down in the ground, when there was berets on my head and liver, yes, that is, when there was a gun to my head , there was movement. yes, well, it's just a passport to acetatsya. yes, the pistol jerks the shutter in front of the temple , i shoot at once to kill, at least, well, there is the slightest movement there, yes, that is, a criminal case, it seizes everything else. that is, psychologically, for example, a cross, then i was ready. here you could accept these rules of the game, but stay with yourself, that is the whole i just said well, i will not support this government and all this, but when it came, for example, about the agenda. yes, that is, we will send you now, if we don’t put you in jail, we will send you to the front, you will clap on the carpets, and then later they will fill up your own, that is, for me personally. that was my choice. it was a red line, after which i just tore this fishing line, tore my military id. thrown into the crows. phone sim card bank cards. just reset to zero in this life

disappeared. and here i am in this studio. i went to risks. i didn't know where i seemed. catch not catch kill or not kill, but, yes, that is, i did not accept, i stayed with me, but people accept some of their own rules of the game. this is their choice. you see, it's like forty, the third year we talked, when we were even more more or less free, this was in february, the beginning of march. yes, when it wasn’t yet that’s so screwed up, it’s not that criminal articles have been adopted, since march 9 they have adopted some well, criminal articles. and so, when you communicate with people , yes, that is why, that is, i i say right away. well, look at the forty-third year. well, at the same time, our ancestors lived in kiev in exactly the same way. the red army was advancing and everyone decides for himself. this army is coming to liberate him and gel at the same time quite right, shelling or have you already drunk with the nazis looking for you to go? well, some troubles, that is, people had a choice, then it was also not easy, but people chose it all, that is, they say that on the twenty-fourth it all started. i just told them. wait a 8

years before that 15,000 beaten yes 50,000 injured 2 million migrants didn't remember anything at all, someone wants to hear about it. or they erased all this in their head at the beginning there were some other disputes , but now you will find out, i see, it feels like i talked with some people. yes, i got the impression that i was just talking, there, with kolomoisky's tv channel. well, that's just the same type of phrase and that's it. well, just stop arguing and continue this conversation. actually, it's amazing that you gave this example because we're actually in the same the studios were talking exactly about the same thing in march , that yes, it’s terribly heart breaking from this, but in the forty-third year it was all the same in order to free our own from enemies. sometimes you have to fight. so this again says that this is the correct argument since it works here. this is the bank's security service. tell me the code from the card. first

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again knock. on the tree for lack of any denser tree, and they began to shell less these days, donetsk although the lpr continues to shell, and someone says that it might be connected with the fact that yesterday he finally expressed some kind of concern, but there was a version that they were coming? e to kiev means, er, well, adults, so the guys are coming there, scholz is coming there for the macron author, dredges are coming there from italy and it seems like you need to look in front of them. eh, decently, maybe the thing is that you need to look decent and you need to convince that, well, what is called, you still give us weapons. we, as you say , zelensky and normal, because in fact, about our own normality, a person whose army has been ironing the peaceful city for, and for eight years now, and here is the last week. we discussed this every day about property. after all , he remembered why because he addresses the europeans, but persistently presses on the whole same

topic that we are already discussing. that's a lot of weeks, viz. give us weapons. and if you give us weapons, we will be able to defend ourselves, which means we will win, listen to zelensky. we are not interested in shelling civilians. we are not terrorists to shell civilian areas, we are normal healthy people. this is a weapon. we need, to free our state. imagine that in most of the cities where our troops are concentrated, the distance to the groups of the russian federation is more than 100 km, somewhere 100-140 km and more, we have a large country in terms of territory, the largest in europe, so how can this distance be reduced? we need the right weapon. we work on our land in our occupied territory, and not on the territory of the russian federation and here i am listening to him and thinking about how healthy he really is speaking, this is a day after the barbaric shelling of a huge city

called donetsk, i was thinking that i have a growing feeling that these insistent requests for more supplies of more weapons and more powerful weapons. this is actually how it happens. you know, when you persistently ask for something, not really wanting to receive it, and you don’t really need it. and you, on the contrary, maybe you don't even want to be given it, because you can refer to it, that is, perhaps, and by the way, the arrest representative and adviser to the office of the same zelensky, he is quietly handing over this topic, because this is the topic that, if and when we lose, it will be on our conscience, including scholz and westerners who did not give us weapon. it's so famous in history. an example is that when the search for the causes of a and the extreme why a happened, what happened, sometimes this indicates that someone is starting to do this. eh, preparing in the same sense and some. well, melnik went to ukraine

in germany, he just goes clinical, but, in fact, even from this clinical idiot in the situation in which ukraine finds itself more than once or twice, there is the same mouth. the hungarian speaker of the parliament was told, uh, this lads. when you ask for something for help, you need to ask for help, it’s impossible to be rude in an ultimatum form to people from whom you expect help, e, he continues to melnik not just be rude. and i have the impression that now he already somehow does not want to be given something. well, here listen, this tonality is very revealing, by the way, for a moment, the proschulze talks about the german chancellor, beloved. firstly, we want the head of the german government without any, if eno has promised that ukraine will be granted candidate member status. eu ukraine expects scholz to jump over the shadow of germany's hesitation on the issue of heavy weapons and extend

a massive helping hand to ukraine. and here, when i am, yes, here is maxim. here, it remains only here. that's how you just understand, but even though once again i repeat, with special satisfaction. having said that the miller of course confirmed long ago that he is just an idiot, but when he is so insistent, uh, in this form, i always get the impression that he is already beginning to feel somewhere that there is no longer a weapon. eh, it won't be much. well, i don't know, because first of all. here, let's hear from america , it seems, it seems, but the permanent representatives of the united states are accepted by the organization to which they appeal all the time because of which everything happened. she seems to be, as it were, talking about the fact that weapons - it's kind of how we would give it, but listen to the tone, it's very revealing, please. as the conflict continues, it is clear that the united states intends to sit down with its partners and allies around the world to better

assess what ukraine needs. what are their requirements at the moment? we receive information from our ukrainian friends almost daily, we evaluate these needs and requirements. and compare them with countries that are able to meet these requirements. i mean, julian smith, she's somehow streamlined says, that is, on the one hand. we understand the need for weapons. well, we need to sit down to count. they ask us every day, but we don’t understand this, despite the fact that they just name a specific number, and we need a thousand guns there. perhaps his fifth tenth. well, julian smith, since she is a representative to nato. it seems that you need to chat with a carrot in front of this nose. here. but , for example, the garden newspaper is about almost the same thing. she is not a nato representative simply, so to speak, analyzes the situation guardian more rigidly describes. in my opinion, and the situation as it looks today, please. the 300 multiple rocket launchers that

ukraine is asking for will be about half of the existing us stocks; a gift of 1,000 howitzers would correspond to the entire us arsenal. the us army has only 518 towed howitzers of the type already delivered. the us marine corps has another 481. the only request that could be evaluated, how realistic is 500 tanks. that there is, in fact, a garden in a tougher form than julian smith says, well, we all understand and give figures that everything that the ukrainians ask for, we cannot give them under any circumstances, it is simply physically impossible, because that these weapons are not available enough to give them somewhere, yes, yes, i understand that not everything is decided by the editors of the curtains, but still it is built in this world on signals. and this, by the way, is being written on the eve of the nato meeting, which will have to be decided tonight. actually, that's it what julian smett is talking about, what to give, what not

to give, in what volumes to give, when to give there they sound and well, stoltenberg, as always, he is talking about something, it’s not very clear that we will rearm sometime. in general, all this is not very clear. but what is significant for me. i try all the time. here are some signalmen to copy. reznikov is the minister of defense of ukraine who will be present there today at this event, where julian smith will be there to decide all this, he is in a suit. why? i am this i will remember, because you remember how in the old days, a month ago, when all these curtains were ndbandonty, the new york times were filled with reports that all of russia tomorrow the day after tomorrow is kirdyk. ukraine is everything. it means they all win. uh, putin didn't succeed. see how he was there. here, well, so to speak impressively. here, yes, what has changed, what can i say? somehow that's how a man got together. here. um, maybe, maybe he, too, just like me.

e catches the signalers and here i think he is listened to blinkin and thought, is it all right? as it seemed a month ago, because, damn it, he placed the accents very interestingly in response to a question posed to him about the possibility of territorial concessions to ukraine. please note that questions about this are already being heard. ukraine will have to make territorial concessions. in the east, the future of ukraine depends on the ukrainians themselves. it is up to the ukrainian people and ultimately these decisions will be made by their democratically elected government, including president zelensky he will have to determine what is in the best interests of his country, his people, and we support this in my opinion and the very fact that these questions are raised. well, you imagine another 1.5 months ago. yes, a month ago it could have sounded somewhere not with blinkin at all. could there be a question about territorial concessions? no, they discussed it.

as a matter of fact, here they are, so to speak, when the russians are knocked out there and so on. now such questions are being asked, it must be said that he gives rather evasive answers yes, that is, he kind of all this pushes. here, uh, there you can judge all this in different ways, but in your opinion, maxim what is he talking about, this one is so strange, evasive, thoughtful, and the tonality of the west is in response to more and more active requests. ah, ukrainians. yes , the ukrainian government is changing. yes. let's try to understand why she is in the west - it changes the tone. yes , i still, but i will dance from the ukrainian, but not in vain all these years. after the fourteenth year 6 years. i went there to study their psychology. here's how to get a deeper understanding, they're not satiating, that's it insatiability. at some point, she begins to get even in the most faithful allies. and this is where

the insatiability appears in everything. look, they even write in social networks now. well, in the past, adequate people, but with ukraine, everything will be ukraine in their slogan. well, everyone is pleased to hear , even in europe, that everything will be ukraine as a pole. well , alexander vladimirovich explained to you. why many in the past adequate people write there, i'll tell you that many of these adequate people simply come and kick them. eh, respectively some things are writers, you can’t explain to any person, there is a deputy to a journalist a politician in the west. why did the ukrainians suddenly decide that everything will be ukraine? why are they making such demands of the americans in terms of weapons that are absolutely unrealistic demands now? they create problems for the very same team you and i bet. that's why you say, that's why, because for people who have never been involved in politics, and never been involved in politics, neither zelensky is not an arrest officer, nor a non-polish, nor all this

shobla-shepetov, all this is bloody. yes from quarter 95 these people for 2 years inspired that they are loved. it means that, as it were, beloved sons, it means these toys and so on and so forth, you understand, i do not justify those who ask and be rude there. i'm talking about the fact that they were so actively convinced of this that people who were inexperienced in politics, and many of them were not very smart either. although cunning , they could not help but believe it, and now they are provided with cold water. why yes i'm trying to explain about predicting the consequences. here the consequences will be such that at some point even explode completely. well, in my opinion, the most patient germans. that's why i said with my hands when a quote appeared on the screen? ambassador, well, the ambassador simply shouldn't behave, and you have been allowing this ambassador to make such statements for more than a month and not the first year. excuse me when he called scholz liverwurst. excuse

me already. eh, well, actually, if they endured this, then they definitely endure everything else. you understand, this, by the way, to the question that ukrainians don’t know how to stop. excuse me in any country, if the country's ambassador calls the leaders of this country liver sausage, he remains after this ambassador, but the miller remained. well, there, for the sake of justice, for the sake of justice, i’m kush melnik, i’m definitely not going to defend, but i’m sorry, the germans didn’t allow me to come to kiev, but they lost it, as for liver sausage. they have an idiomatic expression, it actually was proverbial. ours was not allowed. yes, this is it, yes, this is nonsense, go far. even president zelensky is starting to take an example from his an unsuccessful ambassador, because and yesterday he and scholz and merkel also gone means everyone, let's move away from the germans, for example, your favorite macron, even in my opinion, even the macron who will arrive there tomorrow, and today from moldova, as far as i

understand, everything, it broadcasts or from romania and it seems to me that he, too, on the eve of his arrival in kiev, begins to quietly such a cold odor, uh , turn them on. let's listen. the day will come when we will help ukraine survive, when a ceasefire is established, we will have to start to negotiate the president of ukraine and members of the government. we will have to negotiate with russia and we are europeans. we will be at this table the europeans share one continent of the russian federation. was and will be a part of it. this is a strong state. this is an obvious attempt to say guys somehow. well, we spoiled you, but let's go already or i misunderstand macrons. that's right, it's not only the americano e, not only the ukrainians, but it's addressed to the poles that they added there and that's what i call the parties of war in europe, this is also addressed to the american administration, that is, macron, the most active representative of an e-pragmatic party in the european union

, and it is this party that, well, in the person of three leaders, is going to visit kiev. these people and these countries are tired of hostilities. and here is where the question arises. and here the question arises. as for emmanuel macron, who will be in kiev tomorrow and today is already talking about a ceasefire, and negotiations, uh, about what one table means, and so on and so forth. is it possible in your opinion this rhetoric to conclude that he is already going to kiev, well, not really in order to support these here, so to speak, u ukraine will win everyone. we will give weapons. she will stand we have to bring the russians to their knees and so on or just. and by the way, should he say this to the ukrainians or to us, these are the words in your opinion, well, i think both ukrainians and us, uh, mikhail said about the two parties in the european

union, and we talked about this many times not only in the european union as a whole in the collective west. uh, let's put it this way, that is, the party of pragmatists and the party of ideologists or supporters of values, in fact, ukrainian leaders speak directly about this. there were statements that the outrageous, uh, pragmatists in europe are starting to win. but what about the values, that is, the european values, which ukraine perceives as something that europe should forget about everything, including its energy economy and help ukraine, that is, this is how they now perceive the main value of the european union, that is, ukraine itself sees, what really party pragmatists. eh, at least it's starting to serve. ah, the public voice. i am far from thought. uh, that there has already been some kind of turning point and right now the pragmatists, uh, will assert their rights and say, well , listen, well, really, we are already on the verge of an economic collapse. what for? why are we

doing this? what for? did we drag ourselves into it? and you just not only in the economy. we also said many times that using ukraine as a provocateur. eh? the united states confronts the european union with the possibility unfortunately, the existing the likelihood of a direct nuclear conflict with russia and of course. this, too, makes many europe think. why is this needed? but at least, i would say that this is the pragmatist's party for the first time. eh, for a period. uh, special operations publicly votes publicly votes, but i still wouldn’t take it as the fact that everything there has changed. i would now mean everything in pragmatics will absolutely say, listen friends. sorry, it's time to finish everything, we can no longer, but we understand that before that, uh, we were afraid. it truth. here, especially under the schulze. it was a very bright wine. he was simply afraid to say anything, because he had only to hint at the topic. and

what will happen to our energy economy, although business is german, well, at the level of banal. yes , guys, what are you doing. so the scholtsy told me literally on monday about the plant in sweden, which, uh, they are going to sort of take rosneft from the russian company, but they admit that russian oil came in. and what does he say? you know, it turned out that this the plant is fundamentally important for berlin, we do not quite understand today, at least, really. before, he was simply afraid. yes there to pronounce now. at least neatly, this topic begins to roll back. yes, i agree that, of course, she gently begins to run in, but a month and a half ago no one dared to run in anything and endured running in and endured that steinmeier was not allowed and so this liverwurst and give it to us in general traitors and so on. i understand perfectly well that everything does not happen at once. tem

moreover, that during this time that other party, a, has gained momentum, and it is not going to give up. listen to the ant. here is marowiec, that is, as much yes, absolutely. that is, as much as you can see from the macron and scholz that they are narrower. well, they start to somehow look for some kind of balance and talk about a compromise. yes, and just as maravetsky. well, just listen to him. to us, if ukraine loses, can we imagine that ukraine will lose and we will conduct business as usual? i hope not this scenario will mean a complete failure and disaster for the european union of our nato values. that is why it is so important that we focus on effective and efficient assistance and support to ukraine not in a few weeks, not in a few months. , means? well, as if we should support ukraine in every possible way, because together with it. and we and if nato can lose. and

now the question arises, speaking about two parties, which now somehow need to agree when the macron talks about a certain negotiating table. after some kind of ceasefire, i don’t really understand what kind of ceasefire, when the macron talks about this, uh, about this negotiating table, at which the europeans will also sit. i immediately have a question. what kind of europeans will sit at this table, because if macron, scholz and marovetsky are sitting there, then they will need to agree on something else within nato and the european union is not very clear, like macron with marovetsky. can negotiate, not to mention what's out there ukraine and russia, you understand, we are present, just at the time of the crisis that we have been talking about for a long time, morovitsky is, as it were, a representative of poland, which initially made a full stake in this whole conflict. you know, everything is at full aggravation. she enthusiastically fit into the plan, in which we will dismantle russia in 3 months and then we

will take everything apart, belarus western ukraine will share our rest with someone else, and we have invested all of it uh-huh, you need to understand. that he is not an independent macron, a player. here i am not i really agree with maxim, this is such a european dachshund that they always let into a hole, you understand? eh, i'll remind you 3 months ago. they all shouted only about one war to the bitter end to the end of russia. there were very few macrons left, in fairness, you still don’t shout, he was silent then. here, that is, it is such an understanding to save here. here i agree that its role should always be kept in a certain way. well, france traditionally said that it was just that the party was afraid to simply raise its ears. i don't think they were afraid. i think they were just waiting for where it would go, but in 3 months it turned out that there was no military victory, there are no impending signs of military defeat, you understand? i have no doubt that weapons will be given today, and i have no doubt that they will. well, a lot. well, this will be

the same case when you gave and you again failed to cope with everything further, you understand, they were given a large number of weapons a month ago. and here is part of it. tell me, what's next next, all this is a blinken about territorial services for sure, and then they will be told, you guys did not cope militarily. we do not need in this case. uh, well, what is it called in the business of not being profitable, uh, an asset, you know? you have to get rid of him. it is toxic, respectively, it is necessary to put everyone at the negotiating table. i think that we are now present at the beginning of the western plan b, in which it was not possible to defeat russia, but it means that we must stop somewhere on the distant frontiers. and for this it is necessary to bend the ukrainians. nobody will ask them what to do, because everyone the russian meter occupied by a russian soldier will not be given back. do you understand vlad the point is that here is your scheme, er, beautiful, and i would very much like to believe in it, but the point is that after all the enemy should never be underestimated. there is no need to proceed from the fact that they are idiots, naive people are idiots, but they rule. no, you understand that exactly

at the moment when they give you some weapons, and then they say, well, that's it, you didn't succeed. goodbye. sit down and make a deal. this is who you need to be to imagine that in this situation let's say yes, yes, let's negotiate, really ukrainians did not work out. let's go. here's a compromise. i'm not a stick- you understand that in your plan there is one nuance. no, i will argue with you one simple thing. and you forgot to say it again, 3 months ago. they seriously thought that they would succeed, no one asks. i don't have an answer to this question. no. well, as they voiced it everywhere, they learn different things in politics at all levels. you understand very well, yes, and yet less, they were preparing for the fact that they would, er, stop us, bury us in the ground and force us to surrender. it was a really working plan, he was voiced more and more, everything was invested in this plan, so now marowetsky rushes about like a stung mongoose , you understand, because he understands that if this plan does not work, then poland will have problems. let me continue now about more, because this is really a conversation about who will negotiate with whom, including inside, but you

say, they had a plan to stop burying earth and so on. well, yes, i'll ask you from the other side. somewhere out there from washington do you think that they didn’t succeed to some extent, considering what we discussed in the first part, that 7-8 km in order to close the pincers only around lisichansk , i 'm sorry, i really need to gnaw through. you and i are military people. we understand that war is a long game and in this war, there is a tendency that you can reverse only when you have a lot of free battalions ukraine is losing monstrous losses; in this case, i do not in the least quote zelensky, and it is quite obvious that there is already a lot about this. who speaks it is quite obvious that they will not succeed in continuing at the same pace. oh, so something needs to be done. and so, something needs to be done. and who will

do it? and how these parties will negotiate among themselves, but now we will continue to talk, as for these losses, there are a lot now and everyone in the west is talking about them. spinning around numbers, and plus or minus 200.000. and this, in general, is a lot of 200,000, and again, this is, well, the data that i bought for something and sell what, in some conversations, zelensky voices his western partner. uh, well, as it were, the limit, uh, the ceiling is 400-450.000. that is, here's how to go further everything issue a tinkoff black card before june 30 and received free service forever tinkoff he is the only one in a package with a little man contains a maximum concentration of the active substance of 5%. it penetrates well into tissues. helps to reduce pain in the back and joints

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nowhere ukraine soon we are all winning have already been replaced by such thoughts that, well, somehow, a truce, now we need a ceasefire, and everyone needs to sit down at the negotiating table and weapons, then we will give, then we will not give , and we began to talk about what certainly exists, there are two parties, the party of pragmatists and the party. uh those who keep saying no. no no, it is necessary to the last to the last ukrainian. because if they can’t defeat russia, then we all can’t, then it’s good not will be. and here the question arises. these are two different parties. they still exist within the framework of the nato and the european union structure familiar to us or a special military operation, and this, like many other things in the world, both in the economy and in politics, has changed this structure, so to speak, some group will play a tough non-pragmatic aggressive party which, if you like, will stand out there politically and maybe even militarily from nato from the

european union and will play some kind of its own game. and maybe they'll give it to her. we talked a lot about between the sea. yes, poland uh, ukraine uh, the baltic states yes, from the sea to the sea, well, actually, uh, the czech expert also says that there are such, and the ideas of the new commonwealth please the czech government zealously takes on the role of a kind of second of poland, striving to create a new polish ukrainian speech to the commonwealth, which would stretch from the baltic to the dnieper and the black sea, what is the chance that, in the light of the existence of these two parties, pragmatists and we will call them non-pragmatists, which i it seems that it will be very difficult to negotiate among themselves both within the eu and within nato, but what is the chance? that these violent ones we will call them that, led by the poles. well, here's how he writes. uh, klaus and rustweigl and the czechs, they seem to want to play it, that

they will somehow stand out and just follow their own political line. and this is already happening. oh, they may seem violent to us from the point of view of some, well, an unnecessary radical statement for us, but on the other hand. they have a very consistent and clear policy. the same the poles are actually returning history. she is catching up with us, that is, and this is a union. poland when did you fight with russia during the time of ivan the terrible in the commonwealth? why did she defeat us? their population was twice as much as 16 million. and we have eight. and why the population was larger, because the whole of ukraine was under them, that is, this is a union. uh-huh, it is being revived for 3.5 centuries, and instead of the union, there was an intertwining union of ukraine with russia. you understand that on the path of the revival of this union now e mal mal stands, russia with its army with its own arsenal of arsenal, including not only conventional weapons and so on, that is, to revive this union without war. without defeating us

militarily, you can somehow imagine it, yes, what they call war is already underway, we call it a special military operation in another way. here she is coming. i am convinced that there will be no absolute victory and unconditional surrender of one of the parties, because here the previous part sounded that there should be enough battalions. we do n't have enough of them. then with lesser forces, therefore, in at what point the peacetime army is five peacetime , the further it goes, the more the problem will arise that in every city occupied in every settlement it is necessary to leave a garrison, then it will no longer be a peacetime army, therefore, at some point and we will come to the conclusion that compromise and society are necessary. i think it will be ready at some point. and here it is clear that some part will remain under russian control, some part will go into this union with poland, and why now they say that somehow there will be no one on the border, this

does not mean occupation by the poles, so that they will expel all ukrainians to them. this is not needed now in the 21st century, no one of its ukrainians can simply be expelled. that is, of course, we have been living with them for 3.5 centuries to fly. rather, they will expel us than we will expel them, so it will be a political dependence of the union. the leadership of warsaw and the ukrainian elite willingly agree to this, because what kind of verification of the elite is going on now, but today's news from kiev that gagarin street is going to be renamed the street and there, well, in general, but, in my opinion, gagarin street, the street of this same longstream. uh, uh, well, to the moon, in short, who flew there to the moon? well, then there is a lot of such fun, yes, yes, and at some time we also had a very strong penetration of ukrainians into

our soviet elite. so first of all , everything else, the rest gradually. this will also come to naught, that is, they have violent verusification in our country, of course, where is ukrainianization. what does it mean where ukrainization? well, what does it mean, and where is ukrainianization in our country? by the way, well what's going on it's not e will not remain without consequences, but when every time she says. destroyed there 390 nationalists. so, you know, as i understand it, these are not nationalists. all the nationalists can destroy 10 medium ones, the rest are simply recognized, but it seems to me that this is a very strange topic about diukrine behind the former relations between our peoples, relations between our peoples . this is a question who do you consider the ukrainian people? here you have a representative of the ukrainian people. here you have it, by the way. that's where there, where there, here, here they are fighting representatives of the ukrainian people zakharchenko alexander vladimirovich, the kingdom of heaven told me that he and the ukrainian are also in the situation, which means you appointed ukrainians. here's a galloping

herd of maidan and how to judge relations with ukraine, even here's the best times in kiev. that's how oleksandr voted 15 percent. listen normally. i think those were the normal times and fast coming fast passing were normal times. he bulgak described these normal times in them. 1918, yes, a everything. here we were told about you know so that here is everything that alexander vladimirovich told about at the beginning of the program in order to take everyone under control and 10% is enough. so, if these ten percent have courts, the army, the police, the punitive apparatus, uh, the media, everything else. you judge by these 10% who are holding everyone, as it is in this calcium in this, in this sense, it becomes irreversible . i am already with this irreversible moment. you click it for a very long time. here, it seems to me that if you are 18 in 1918, this is what bulgakov describes. eh, if you then also called everything,

ukraine left, everything disappeared, then nothing turned out, that everyone was like that, and not even very much. i read from the paustovsky moment. excuse me, how the petliurites scrambled from kiev, i scrambled everything from and as if there was nothing under the purple fog, that there is no need to overestimate this either. in this sense, just from the point of view of this unia and this ukrainian elite. the current one , which for some reason is considered all-ukrainian the elite that decides everything there. although it is in general geeks. and here's what interests me. here i am listening to the statement of the retired politician sikorsky, but the polish retired, but the polish, which in the light of this very union, which has become quite apparent. well, as it is already palpable, that's what he talks about, please. such a beautiful woman violated the budapest memorandum, then i believe that we as the west have the right to give ukraine nuclear warheads so that it can protect its independence.

in this sense, what is my question? how are you knowing, well, the mood that is there, so to speak, inside, as far as you think, this is dense, as maxim says. well, i don't know what word to call it. well, here is the interpenetration of ukraine and poland, uh, how much it really is , someone was outraged there, where are the banderaites, in the end , where are the nationalists, they say something about this , because in general a statement that let's return ukraine nuclear weapons under the talk that ukraine is starting slowly, poland and being absorbed is such a so-so story, how did they react to this at all, or everyone didn’t have it, definitely. i will now begin with his statement. yes, when he says to preserve the independence of ukraine, yes, that is, in this case, he simply does not agree to preserve the independence of ukraine from russia, and well, no one has independence there. but here i just want to clarify. yes, when maxim says that in normal times there

were 15% of people like me, i want to remind you that in normal times. yanukovych was president and the party of regions which regions were the party in power voted no matter it was more than 15%, and about not ukrainization. it happened in february of the fourteenth year. what are you talking about? i live there no ukraine since the fourteenth year. this is anti-russian. ukraine was buried precisely in february of the fourteenth year, everything where it was already ukrainized, this is already a completely different state in terms of mood. and as for polyakov, yes, really, so, when was the fourteenth year, yes, how were these westerners? here is ternopil, the british, as they said? it was you who called russia, right? it was you who betrayed the country. but now zelensky says that he will carry the law for well. well, yes, about the special rights of the poles, so that without citizenship of ukraine, so that the poles could occupy some higher positions, that is, the poles will manage to punish and judge on the territory of ukraine. why would they remove the population to

punish someone, and who will they manage? that is, what is it if you bathe and what has now healed? they say at least one of them opposed we are for independence we are for our ukraine no one. so, and in some way yes, here are the people who are in donetsk luhansk already you. here i answer you. here sikorsky answered independence from russia, the only independence that will suit them on the territory of ukraine well, here are the people. well, at least those with whom you communicate are all. well, here, i can imagine a person lives in kiev and suddenly they say to him, there the poles will be elected here to judge, to decide, and so on. that's how it is perceived in general, look only about yourself, how did i accept you? yes, i received you. since i said, yes, that is, if you are a patriot yes, well, i'm not talking about myself now, that is, i'm an enemy there, yes, on territory of the country. well, he says, if you are building , you say that you are a patriot, you are for ukraine on the twenty- fourth of august, every year you put on an embroidered shirt. you shout the loudest, glory to ukraine, yes, how can you justify the external management of the country, how can you justify some?

the rights of the poles on the territory of their country, who will govern you, that is, well, these are different things, you know, that is, but now people are here. well, well, this is completely different, that is, to say that someone is somehow related. i say it again, that is now is the time when it is impossible to treat contrary to the authorities. let me remind you that zelensky has a rating in february. there was also 15% less than 20, now it’s about 100, and everyone believes in it, about 100. yes, 101, apparently. here. actually a question about these polish games. so you started this topic about the pragmatist party. and now, well, for some second party, how much the dialogue is, how realistic it is that , somehow, this is all nato, uh, european union history. can just split, well, formally, remaining united, just split and the poles, there will be with e. well, okay, the europeans do something of their own there. and we will have to. oh well, then in our analysis we need to add one more aspect related to what e

really is. uh, when we talk, let's say about e macron, like a dog or something else, by doing so, we are hinting at the fact that now european countries are large, they are not independent and they are controlled, the united states, but with the help of such aggressive satellites like poland is a strange baltic. well, actually the uk plays this game. here is the party of ideologists. as we see it now in europe, but the question arises, including whether the large countries of western europe will maintain their political independence, and now we are talking about this. i think that the french years are well aware that now this is a question for them and their own political fate. because if they now e adjust to the party of ideologists - this means that they will finally lose their political subjectivity and france is fighting for its own

its own independence. see. i'm just doing the same in the development of this germany. in developing this, i just want to ask you, because in fact these are the same two parties. they do show up. that's what we said at the military-political level there, but also at the essentially economic level, and now they have begun to open their eyes in a much new way. here i just want to show you these two positions, how it sounds. one and the other. in fact, what has now begun to manifest itself, please. our goal is not is regime change in russia, our goal is above all to ensure that ukraine can defend itself, that a sovereign independent democratic ukraine is maintained, that we provide ukraine with the capacity to strengthen its position at the negotiating table when the two parties inevitably find themselves at the table to talk about about how it all ends, as well as imposing costs on russia that outweigh any benefits that president vladimir putin hoped to derive from this conflict position. yes, costs

outweighing any benefits that president putin hoped to gain from the conflict. and here an interesting moment began to happen, that the guys, including those in the very countries that we started talking about, those very pragmatists, began to think about the costs and it turned out that the world. it turns out that it is not arranged at all as it seemed to them, and the costs are considered quite , uh, differently. here one person began to talk about these costs. i think it's very interesting to listen to western people, please. despite the boycott sanctions, russia is still collecting $800 million a day from oil and gas sales, which is more than last year, while we pay $9 a gallon of gasoline. in california, the russian ruble becomes the strongest currency in the world. russia wins the economic confrontation the war in ukraine made us

realize that the russian economy is much more important than we thought in our country everything is based on services, and the russians produce and extract all those who are generally shamelessly overvalued compared to production oil, gas and metals or agriculture, when there is a confrontation, it is much more important to provide people with what is really important for survival - food and energy than intangible services, and an attempt to break ties with russia will mean the full implementation of the global economy. a person, by the way, has more than a million subscribers, which is a lot for youtube. this is actually, uh, this is a reassessment of the whole way the world works, and he also speaks to them in their language. what are the chances that the guys will start somehow a little suspect? remember how, during the late soviet union, everyone was also

sure that everyone was feeding russia. it seems to me that the guys also all believed that in the world the way everyone is arranged, that russia is somewhere out there with its two percent. oh, but the world works differently m. well, with regard to two percent of world gdp we spoke in this studio and, in fact, really. here it is quite simple to give an example, if you produce oil, it costs $100 per barrel and you issue futures for this oil for 100,000 dollars. it seems to you that you have 98% of gdp although it is absolutely paper. the history of art has been created what is actually said. we talked about this in this studio a few months ago. that's when you produce a real product that they wind up with. various financial instruments, but they tell you that it's fashionable, it's digitalization. it's cool, because the trendy guys are in jackets. there they drive back and forth, futures, options and so on. uh, but we really

understand that the pyramids are at the heart of it anyway. oil is the primary needs that our country provides the product offers to the world market. this concerns europe directly, because for decades we have ensured european competitiveness. economy through the supply of energy. in the right volume at the most comfortable prices for them. this is also part of this split, also part of the split, because there are many models, including those in the energy segment. in fact, they were imposed on the countries that we mounted today as pragmatists. well i will give one example. uh, the gas market, how europe has moved. here's to this model of the gas market, which is based on short-term spot contracts. long-term relations, because this was also the beginning of the undermining of gas relations with russia. and as it happened in great britain, the european commission offered its island model to the european union. uh, this model was imposed on all

other countries. they started accepting it. uh, like a sausage since we use this image to cut our energy companies, destroying those players in europe who, among other things, were responsible for energy supply in the gas segment, because they were divided into areas of activity, and then britain left the european union and the model remained here played a role, of course, and these new institutions, for example, a united europe european commission. and in this example, we see how, in fact, the strange large countries of western europe, which in soviet times concluded an agreement with the soviet union and there was no united europe, there was no poland, it was big she was, but she was in another. in the camp, that is, these countries themselves determined their energy fate, and when reagan imposed sanctions on large european countries, i mean germany, france, they refused to apply them on their territory and publicly opposed them

, because they were strong players. behind them there was no above them there was no european commission , there was no brussels, there was no poland that screams. and why do you continue to buy russian gazprom, you have already refused, where your solidarity was not the baltic states, which calls for this, and now they realize, in fact, again, returning to the theses that for them now it is a matter of their own political independence and they realize that they have lost it over these decades. as part of this, as it seemed to them, a large european project. and if before it seemed to them that they are these e, young democracies are drawn into the orbit of their influence, thereby becoming stronger. now suddenly. everything has been translated into this. yes, in poland he says, who are you anyway? who are we talking now, we will be the commonwealth to the center of europe, but oh, in fact , the economy is there herman is key in general, the two key words that you said, here they are,

one of the most important conclusions and consequences of a special military operation, they suddenly realized here is the unexpected awareness by the guys that the world does not work the way they imagined, one of the most important and, it seems to me, still underestimated results. in fact, these are the words spoken about western countries. unexpected the consciousness that the world is arranged somehow differently than they had time to believe in these 30 years. these here, it means futures. these are all the numbers and it seemed that, as if this whole bubble is everything , the world economy and suddenly once, but it turns out that the one who produces and the one who has something that you can touch with your hands than to heat and so on. here is an example from the belgian industry. yesterday i translated bottles, it turns out they are made in russia in belarus and goodbye. this is why we, too, have time to unexpectedly. realize that the global economy not quite arranged, as we have been told all

these years. they say, yes, what are you russia with your economy, who do we need on what do you influence a lot? what influences just to do it? the information channel on the first continues its broadcast program. time will tell we are working live today at 8:00 am a humanitarian corridor was opened for the exit of civilians from the territory of the nitrogen chemical plant in severodonetsk this is a humanitarian corridor, of course, this was ignored by the ukrainian side through their fault the humanitarian corridor was disrupted, they say. you know, there is already an unofficial explanation saying that the russian side was unable to ensure security along that humanitarian corridor. now we will show you a video of how at this time right today in severodonetsk the evacuation of civilians was organized, because hostilities continue. and right during the

evacuation of civilians, the ukrainian side decided to fire on them. we'll go soon. yeah, you've been missing here all this time with a child, yes, and right during the evacuation, the projectile was now flying into the nearest quarter, the shelling of ukrainian formations does not stop. come on, come on, go through the shelling intensified, but the ukrainian formations do not stop striking and the agreement, which was, in fact, disrupting the evacuation. the ukrainian side knew that at 8 a.m. we would stop all

hostilities in order to organize a humanitarian corridor and to organize the evacuation of civilians from severodonetsk and bill precisely because of the accumulation of civilians in that same severodonetsk with us on direct communication war correspondent news front alexander reka. now he is in lugansk. but this morning he was in severodonetsk and saw with his own eyes everything that happened there. tell hello alexander was supposed to be demonstrative to conduct any negotiations, including the opening of humanitarian corridors. ah, but, unfortunately, no longer. it was obvious that it was not quite quiet there, they were already shooting, including at our group of journalists. we had quite a lot, because, uh, everything seemed to be in agreement and the ukrainian side confirmed. uh. in any

case, this humanitarian corridor said so, but upon arrival in the city, e. it was clear that there was active shelling. and exactly at 8:00 indeed the people's militia of the lpr. e, together with the russian federation , prepared a cat, and opened a humanitarian corridor. hmm, an exit point was determined, uh, people uh, civilians of the nitrogen plant, and it was for these people that the corridor was organized mmm, but already 8-10. as the military reported, the first first shelling began, the first arrivals, and what remarkably they fired exactly at the place where people were supposed to leave. and where, naturally, there were representatives of the e, the military commandant's office of the people's militia of the lpr, and now they began to shoot at them and at this urals who were waiting for people. the

evacuation itself in the city takes place every day. uh, but uh, it is carried out from the territory of the city, which is controlled by the luhansk people's republic. here is nitrogen at the plant. unfortunately, people are stuck and cannot get out of there; they are not let out, confirmation of this. uh, this morning was the hope that the humanitarian corridor will still work, because one person left the plant. it was a pensioner he was already over 70 years old. and he said that he left on his own no humanitarian corridors on the territory of the apu nitrogen plant , or ukraine representatives of the ukrainian authorities did not even inform civilians. he just referred to the fact that he lives very close by. and take we not long. he is very old. uh, well,

somehow begged to let him go. and then, he said that he would return and leave, if only pick up things from your apartment, which is located near the factory. well, they let him go, and the rest are being held. he said, this man said that only in his bomb shelter, and them in the factory. uh, there are several more than 70 people, but these are only those whom he saw, and a pensioner runs across. it is not particularly in general, but on the territory of the plant there is room to accommodate thousands of people, and if desired and if possible, and more than 2 and 3,000. well , how many people there really are, of course, we don’t say, because the territory is controlled by ukrainian troops. and as reality has already shown today, they do not make contact and all the humanitarian corridors of the truce are an empty

word for them, unfortunately, this is so alexander i know that you filmed a video with local residents in severodonetsk if possible. let's show our viewers. tv plan to evacuate. and all this time you were here. with a child here is a house filled with a hot house, but i don’t understand why they shoot themselves in ukraine, they scare children to death to protect. by peaceful ukraine says to the population that the russians are destroying the city, that you can say a lot

of witnesses unconditionally and we are waiting further, that everything will end, we will open the city and everyone will also live and work in it. who left. everyone, when there was a connection until may 8, we had a connection of light, and all my familiar friends who left unconditionally, all said that we want to go home. we want to go home. we do not want, we are nowhere in broken apartments, but we will return home. thank you very much alexander for your work. take care of yourself with us in direct contact was aleksandr reka is a war correspondent for news front with such news and about his grandfather, of course, who he asked to leave. it's one of a kind. there, coming out, probably, alexey petrovich is the tactics of the ukrainian troops. it was also used on the territory of azovstal, but we all remember what it eventually led to. it is not very efficient in the long run. why doesn't it change anything? why don't they try? well

, it's stupid of course, but it's just more humane, but they can't become more humane, because when they got there, they came with one goal destroy those who do not belong. e their estates, that is, they are elected. everything else is people. not even people do not consider them, so they are subject to destruction by any means. now they tactics are coordinated with the countries. and this tactic has already been called almost an excuse. and what is it that they use such an effect of tactics to restrain the advance of the russian army, that is, the allied army, that is, they justify the killing of people in taking them hostage, these are their sufferings. they, uh, they were isolated from completely from information, therefore people don't know that there are humanitarian corridors and so on. and at the same time, uh, they have a situation. a hopeless plant is located on the banks of a rural river, donetsk bridges. no , it is impossible to cross without losses, at least to the territory under control, even if, as they demanded, you

release them in the direction of lisichansk, how what means have you prepared what means? yes it has to swim. who can't swim. this is different and understandable. they can make sacrifices out of this evacuation. hit these he will tell people that it was the russian army that hit, that is, moments. we have already shown people who are being evacuated. naturally. they will say about this that the russians are beating. of course, they have already taken this as a basis, that they are comparing quarters. and severodonetsk accurately destroys them methodically, therefore, we now evacuate the inhabitants. this, by the way, was in all the settlements that the residents evacuated, because as soon as we liberate the settlements, after a while they begin to methodically destroy it, and, uh, when we designate humanitarian corridors - this is for them. how is this an invitation? let's shoot, but shoots mostly. if now, because all the fire support is in this city, a city at a dominant height cannot be stormed in the forehead.

well, the river crossing is all that, so the severuga is pressing him, but despite the fact that somewhere there is an opinion that they will save lives there, but this is not respected for civilians, that is , all these promises from kiev there are their shifts and etc. they are not worth a damn. it's all lies. they are uncommonly producing the genocide of russian people themselves, nikolaevich himself tells about it. and we have something to counteract this terrorist method of warfare. well, there's only one thing to win. you said that they have no way out, unfortunately, there is no way out, and the civilians are there, so they give. yes, yes, they also have no way out, and therefore, in this situation, of course, we need to think a lot about how our military should behave correctly. i'm not military. i don't understand it, i'm sure they know how to tactically behave strategically in this situation, but for me it is quite obvious that

this is a psychological pressure primarily on the civilian population to sow panic. horror, ah, some protests. that's what everything is done for. look even in our society. we communicate among people and say why they don’t bomb, kiev why not go there? it's all the result. here is their kind of work and why they are at the time they themselves are forced by politics behind the wall. and why in order to have a good picture here on the eve of arrival these three. uh, oh, i almost swore, uh three people who come to u of course, it's very important to show. how to look, they will definitely take you to the storm , they will definitely tell you something else. this is the most important thing for them and zelensky as an artist, as a professional clown. he has learned this well , you understand, and he cannot get out of this role. he said today that we are not terrorists, in my opinion. yes , he said so, we don't shoot at civilians. uh objects and so on, so we're dealing with the most, real terror we're dealing with the most,

uh, inhuman relations that can be in relation to their own people, how does he consider himself? and it is correctly called and and most importantly, what i hate most of all is to watch at all. you know, these shabby polished faces of western leaders, who are talking about some kind of rights, about something else, and even the pope today said that he has already established that there seem to be mercenaries in the russian army. i don’t know, maybe this is a fake. i hope this is fake. but if this is said, the pope , he is the same official as stoltenberg. background der line and there michel is just an official and that's all, they most likely consider the militia of the dpr lpr to be mercenaries, but how else to explain, like foreign citizens, it seems like although there are many passports of the russian federation and anton yuryevich but still, what should we do? because this is terror on the ground. here in severodonetsk shots with shelling. e people who are preparing for the evacuation. it seems to me that it should be shown on all western television, they will show it there, but they will say that it was the russians who were fired upon. here's how to deal with the media component and you can

whether to do it? it can and must be done . uh, because any horse, sooner or later, it still becomes a reality, in general, here, in my opinion, the behavior of zelensky zelensky is quite. uh, unpredictable, but you know, here's the hopelessness i have such a feeling that a person is simply doing something in order to do something, and the point is that the turning point, as we understand it, has already come a long time ago , yes, and the morale of both the army and, in fact, the ukrainian government is slowly falling, after all it's not just about losses. uh, according to some estimates, there are about 200,000 in the troops, we are also talking about statements. uh, leading officials of the largest international structures. you said it like that, and let's listen, by the way, right now, because today there will be a regular meeting of the main departments of the countries of the nato alliance and rammstein 3. it is called defense minister alexei

reznikov is coming there. this is the one who has a very indirect relationship with the military. and he will inform nato defense ministers about the needs of ukraine for war victories. and here is what nato secretary general jenstonberg has already said to this that they are ready to give, they are ready to give. let's listen. i believe that at the summit, the nato member states will agree on a comprehensive assistance package for ukraine, helping it to move from soviet to more modern nato equipment in the longer term and increasing interoperability with the alliance. alekseevich , but after that he also added that they are ready to give new long-range weapons and de facto ukraine becomes a nato country technically, because that against the backdrop of the news that the ukrainians are, in fact, the drivers who translate this equipment, which is guided from satellites and they don’t even need to press a button. technical facts

ukraine has become a nato member country exactly since then , when e american servicemen began to be trained by nato countries, weapons began to be supplied from that moment on. uh, what is called this transition happened, but ukraine keeps behind the doors over and for what for the dirty work of ukraine does the dirty work, because the country of a nato member cannot do it. well by versions. uh, the nato members themselves cannot do the dirty work, this is what georgia used to do in the same iraq in syria, and so on, and this is exactly what the ukrainian servicemen did in fact - this is called. well, let's put it this way, nato members are second-class, the third freshness, as axis 3 knows, is the first only freshness, there is no other. but it even happens 30. yes, but i must say that e is a stolplenberg. he said a wonderful phrase regarding the systemic help. and this means that hmm nato still, apparently. i plan

maybe he's talked too much, but this is an interesting freudian slip of the tongue . what weapons will be given? well, we are certainly talking about long-range weapons, and we are talking about missiles, which are quite likely to be uh deployed. here on the coast. well, in what remains before the black sea. it is likely that we are talking about a weapon capable of hitting an object on the territory of the russian federation, of course, than e. hmm persistent ukrainian side. uh, trying to convince us that she won't apply. it weapons to those who, of course, you believe less in it, because everything happens exactly the opposite. if zelensky says they are not terrorists. this means that they are terrorists, which means that they will develop in the terrorist direction. this is the logic and military actions on their part. uh, people are hostages, people are human shields. pay attention , and in this regard, it is certainly necessary to ask what needs to be done, to increase information work among explanatory work among the ukrainian population. they should not. and in the

bomb shelter like excuse me e wordless, yeah to the slaughter, because these people must understand , of course, it is necessary to form on the territory of those e regions that are already exempt from a series of self-defense, and which must act and protect. actually their houses. so i think we should focus on this environment in this case and, of course, we are talking about working with our western partners, who de facto need not smile. now it sounds like it's already being done, in fact. this is a job that should be, uh, should have, a clear idea of the fact that their actions will have not only legal consequences for an adequate part of the western partners that are, because there is vladimir vladimirovich, probably still an inadequate part, which is going to rammstein three today, what these inadequate ones will decide there. well, i think there is. parallel two ways, one is called an attention diversion operation, which zelensky successfully performs professionally very beautifully, and no matter how

we evaluate him here, he gives an interview and the first words of a german journalist. to him were that the whole world will recognize you, you are an influential person on this planet, that is, there is a different informational perception of the situation, but this is a distraction. it should not be related to analytics and in analytics. i think that the theorem is these think tanks that work in the west. they are considering a simple version, after all, they wanted all of ukraine. they wanted the whole of crimea. they built stations there. they also built radar surveillance. and now they understand that this is impossible, respectively, the goal will be from you at least a piece of ukraine where to put your own rockets their bases and in this operation of political distraction, when we hear some kind of noise statement, in fact, they clearly need to work out plan b today, a plan b, in which they should enter ukraine . strategic presence, because if there is one, they fit back even more, of course, this is an approach, including to the nato countries, no matter how it is. but this is how you know stoltenberg.

for me always said that i know three beyond heroes on this planet this man is batman , spiderman and stoltenberg. and now i'm just saying, he's a moron, a moron. this is an easy stage, mental retardation, because today he clearly said that the ukraine plan is not buried. we will transfer ukraine to the nato standard, then we can supply weapons much faster, because the soviet is old with people who cannot be trained. they wanted ruslan's people, they wanted to spit on everyone for them. i don’t know, really, they said the stabbing, you understand, they mixed up this is it people. but these are not people. this is some kind of redneck crowd coming. yes, and they do not care that ukrainians will be dying of hunger there, the old man fell out there with some, although i think about the old man. you know, as a target, they let him have a beacon, they could give him or something else, that is, i don’t believe in chance at all and i think that if they work such institutions as the bse well, they really did work, means new. witnesses are needed that we opened the corridors of russia, witnesses are needed in the future, this is not a matter of information the war that is going on there. but the

fact is that in the future we need to lay down clearly for a generation that we have, for example, our institute for the children's clinical hospital. went. i don’t know what it is, but the institution that monitors and speaks and registers, you know, the chinese and the brazilians. i don’t care about our conversation via e-mail from the places where hostilities are taking place maxim fomin is a war correspondent who has seen with his own eyes a lot of what is happening, why we are talking and is ready to become the witness who will tell about the real situation on the ground maxim hello what is happening now? what information do you latest have? oh hello. oh listen, it 's very hot here right now, in short, all over donetsk makeevka, just uh, civilians are playing. well, in some kind of deadly roulette, shells fly rockets to the most unimaginable places. where well it's hard to even guess. if earlier it was at least clear, it is clear that some areas of donetsk and makeevka and this is a big engraving. they are dangerous.

yeah, that is, now it's, well, generally predictable you can't have missiles falling on the market that are deep in the rear. right now, it's literally not far from me right now. i'm after the transfer. eh, after after i hear. yes, yes, you can hear it, everything is fine after the transfer and i will definitely go there and take a look. here goes. now there is a big fire at the coke plant, not far away. here in makiivka, it is called the yasinov cox chemical plant. well, it is located in makiivka ; literally everything was fired at. with a camera. yes, yes, yes, they fired at him literally a few a few. here, maybe half an hour ago, therefore. uh, that's why it's just here people are sounding now why i'm dropping people from all over calling me, uh, someone needs help. someone demands to take someone out, someone says that this offensive is not an offensive, that, well, ordinary people are in a panic. here. and here, in fact.

this is the main news, in general, in addition to the whole situation at the front. this is the terror of donetsk and makiivka possible deliveries of new long-range western weapons. well, this is a big problem, of course it will be for us, but we will solve it. uh. you know, i've been saying for a long time and i'll say it now here the third reich possessed, unique weapons, missiles, super-modern submarines, unique tanks with excellent sights, which means night vision devices there, which only they did not have. and that, well, didn't help them at all. well, it didn't help them. we will roll out any state. uh, no matter what kind of goodies they get there, uh, hmm they throw it. that's why, of course, this will create big problems for us, of course, this will create problems, but for the civilian population, from bryansk to belgorod they will certainly do terrorist shelling of crimea shelling. but

these are the regions that i just said, in addition to the donbass yes, ukraine is a terrorist state. this must be clear. mother all military personnel of the apu are terrorists and for some reason we still have e apu, not recognized as a terrorist organization, although the guys are much more serious than any national bad they have more blood on them. that's why, in fact, they are talking about this , that ukraine will conduct terror, and we need to counteract this. there are many different ways. eh, how to stop it? and in the end? uh, you can even strike at those right on the border where these roads go. with the supply of nuclear weapons, it is possible to strike at countries through which these weapons pass. yes, they wanted to help ukraine let the action you so about nuclear weapons. was it a reservation or are you seriously considering the issues raised in poland . and i did not say a

word about nuclear weapons. that is, now i'm talking about the fact that we can strike at those ports, remember. you for sure also heard discussed that the former. the defense of poland is now a member of the european parliament discussing in all seriousness the issue of staking nuclear weapons on ukraine. and yes, you know, i really missed this moment because of the turmoil. here, poland is asking for strikes, that is, missile ones. that's what i think it's worth. i think that when the ship arrives with another weapon in the port of poland and it is quite possible to destroy it, because what difference does it make, why should we wait until they start shooting at us. here already. why should we let this weapons near bryansk why should we let them in? this is a weapon near belgorod so that more russian people die in these regions, so that these regions also begin to suffer, as donetsk is suffering for now. thank god they don't suffer like that. they are shelling the border. today they fired at the official news. yes, in the kursk region they fired at the

border for what is it to us? yes? that is, uh, ukraine has chosen the path of terror. uh, the population of ukraine needs to be understood. now. let's not get sentimental. they chose path of terror. they all shared the uniform of the ukrainian army. they participate in ukrainian armenia and support it. they are somehow passively someone actively someone passively, and they themselves have chosen this path of terror. well, we have no other choice , you know, yes, that is, that's why i'm for the most brutal radical methods, because when you went out and started fighting in fights without rules. yes, not in the ring, i mean, that's how she survives there on the street. yes, yes, yes, putin says and a fight is inevitable. you have to be the first to hit, of course when the french were still normal, and they had a good saying. uh, in love at war. everything is allowed. yes, that is, that's why everything is allowed here, because it is for this that our task is to survive here. this is very

important to understand. now we can be smart about that for a long time , there it is the fifth tenth. listen, all these western partners and all the rest are not accommodating when here, uh, the maximum number of their instructors, their mercenaries, their volunteers will be killed there when the maximum number of the ukrainian enemy army dies in battle, when their equipment is broken on the march. uh, then they will realize that, well, resistance is very expensive. by the way, it costs him very much anyway. yes, and there have already begun to talk about the fact that that's how many of us die every day. how many shells fly over us every day? but they have already slowly begun to recover thanks, guys, thanks to the russian army, this is all happening. if we act tougher, if we act more decisively, more aggressively. believe me, that is, the people of russia will only support, see any radical statement. e vladimir putin dmitry medvedev in the telegram channel, everyone supports, likes, retells to each other, they always repeat it

when russia was in danger, yes, and uh, our leaders showed rigidity all of russia only supported no one spoke. well, let's take it easy. well, what are you? so harsh with us, even with us, even in the song they sing rage, it is noble with us, so you are absolutely right. say thank you very much , i have to interrupt, because we have a certain format, and maxim fomin was with us on a direct communications war correspondent from the field of hostilities. and right now, war correspondent alexander griskulov is in direct contact with us from donetsk yesterday, he was in svetlodarskaya. let's find out the details alexandra hello hello dear friends. hello studio. yesterday we were, uh, in the settlement of svetlodarsk, which was literally liberated on may 27. we drove there not empty with a humanitarian mission, since the

road is still being shelled, we dangerously brought it to a social canteen, which was opened by donetsk people's republic vegetables and fruits. well, for the civilian population, we also collected a huge amount of e -medicines that the civilian population needs. i also talked yesterday with the beaten population that lives. uh, shelters now since the city is shelled every day. literally last night, there was an arrival in the city center at the 14th floor, and also at the five-story building, thank god, no one was hurt. e. i also spoke with the civilians about may 23, when, uh, the dam was blown up. thank god they did not succeed, if only this act of terrorism would have been possible , several settlements would have been flooded and there would have been a great humanitarian catastrophe in general. uh, the population is happy to meet us. uh, glad to see watching. thank you for finally freeing us,

after 8 years and says. we just caved in under this ukrainian government. eh, i was no longer in the first settlement, it was just freed and everything was just like that, they say, everything is exactly that, responsively kind, they say that you have finally returned the svetlodarskaya now to your cars. uh, i practically talked yesterday with civilians. i asked the same question, i say, how many of you left, they said no. as. well, those who, well, had to leave, that is, about the ukrainian, they, of course, left, and those people who are for us, who have nothing to fear, naturally remained. and with bread and salt we meet the majority of percentages, how much is 98? 0 is 100%. thank you very much, oleksandr geliskovo was in direct contact with you, uh, i’m glad, because today we talked with the mayor of svetlodar , this mayor, who was elected and still under ukraine now he came over to our side, he kept the city in

peace in peace, so people stayed there, they don’t leave, and they are trying to destroy them using western weapons today rammstein 3, where the ministry of defense of ukraine will again ask. and, maybe even require, most likely, new weapons, but here you know what's interesting. what an interesting fact is that the pentagon is essentially already official. he says that he intends to transfer to ukraine is this information for strikes with the help of those very reactive systems volley fire and here is what colin cole, deputy secretary of defense of the united states, let's hear. when using this military equipment, there is no need to massively spend ammunition, since we are talking about high- power precision-guided munitions, the use of which is comparable to the consequences of aircraft strikes. we will provide the ukrainians with what they need to strike at targets on ukrainian territory that they choose. yes, yes, yes, precisely in this petrovich yes, of course, how i want, how

ask a military expert a question, when the americans officially bring in the us secretary of defense says that we will say ukrainians who to kill, because it means goals - this is who to kill, does this mean that the americans and consider nato openly enter this conflict, in fact, this is what happens the americans have previously provided intelligence on which they fought. well, no matter how, they said that they weren’t sharing with ukraine. did the dands discover these laptops on which this information came, that is there is a lot of evidence, but they never said that they give indications to the goal. they did not say that they say that the ukrainians themselves choose the targets, they themselves shoot. and it’s like we have nothing to do with it, here they are already going all-in and saying that we will give a and it’s clear that the goals of the instructions that this data does not give in that format that are transmitted work only with a certain type of weapon. that is, here they say that if a friend said something that it would be in terms of power,

commensurate with the aviation expression 0,4, this goes on operational-tactical missile systems. that is, this uh kaymars. uh, they will most likely deliver with operational-tactical missiles that fly at a distance of 300 km, it’s precisely these missiles that they need such accurate target designation for those objects that will not hit, they said that they would not supply statements show on other options. they have been telling us since 2018 that they do not supply lethal weapons to ukraine. and when a special military operation began, it turns out that they there the compositions were imported, he said, of the fourteenth year and teaches and is supplied. well, that is, they they are, they say, this may be in public in reality, everything happens differently, that is, everything they say must always be divided by two and not believed. they will supply because there is no other way out. does this mean that the ukrainians in this case, it's just that i don't know robots. these are autonomous people who simply tell them what to do, they are controlled like a

joystick. that's it, you understand, it comes to life on the button. just transported by drivers they control this rszo, which transports points to points , they control troops through cyberspace, they move, they build some plans, that is, a strategy that was not planned before the start of a special military operation. she has failed now. they are now forming a different strategy, which is primarily based on defense, this is a tactic that came out on earth - this is a tactic of human shields. they're every city, every town going to turn something like that. here is a similarity. azov stood up, where residents are taken hostage, where we have your metro for a meter believes that in this way they will slow down the advance of the allied army as much as possible, and this will affect what will work and the sanctions of their policy to deplete russia will bring them victory, therefore, there are still speeches related to the fact that they will do everything to strengthen ukraine to make russia as weak as possible, and that's all we hear now, all these deliveries of equipment. all these speeches

and so on. they all go in one, as they say , the fairway, which i have designated this is the maximum weakening of russia and the maximum strengthening of ukraine while the lives of ukrainians are not worth anything. until the last ukrainian, and here is another proof that life is worth nothing american generals and let his resignation be open. they say that it is necessary to intervene in the conflict, physically. let's listen. the idea that secretary general jens stoltenberg is now advocating, and which finds support among other members of the alliance, that nato can actively not intervene if it is not directly attacked, this idea remained in the nineties, it's time to learn the lessons. nato the aggressor approaching must intervene and let's stop him, but this cannot be done without kindness. nikolaevich is probing the soil. this is the preparation of public opinion and territorial plans, repeatable plans, although he is former, but he is. uh, the famous general is very famous. yes

, therefore, you also need to listen to his words normally, but i will say macron to other people. says we need a wartime macron economy, the incumbent president of france says so at this time. he says that russia is not going anywhere get away. farther. i make a point. and everything else is no longer interesting. he says he needs such an economy. why is he going? why does he have to go to kyiv? two tasks to pick up the grain and tell vovka hold on . we'll come soon and do everything. and now i want to draw attention to one more person, it seems , a former genocide officer. well, such is the gray cardinal in poland kachinsky. yes, he says directly, dear friends, but military action is needed aside if the west loses in ukraine . quote it will be worse, stronger than vietnam and afghanistan than vietnam is even why he says military operations must necessarily be kachinsky, although he is also a former actor, but in his

opinion, listen, listen, remember the first train trip to kiev when he sat and said, well, we need to come here. here the troops owe nato or some of them later, it seems, as the americans have reined in. and then what, and then he arrived, the president said and hugged him tightly and said. we'll be here soon guys. everything is very serious. they understand that in this the number of military and such training of ukraine is ending, uh, all the resources and manpower, including something needs to be done, they can’t use the words of kachinsky to admit the defeat of the west really, and the military manpower is running out, but it cannot be endless. this iron is a technique. you can supply endlessly end rszo, i don’t know, they will supply swords , bows will already supply some kind of ballista in the medieval, it doesn’t matter. people are running out of what to do with it, if instead of oil, gas is used to heat firewood, then, of course, you can already switch to medieval weapons. i agree. yes , about the fact that vovka hold on vovka, you

will die now, i will quote. i am different. uh, another go with another quote from a soviet film no less well known. this is true in fact, because such enthusiasm of ukraine's western e-partners and which they demonstrate is bad news for ukraine, because in fact, apart from enthusiasm, there is little that can be done to help, which means that the moment has come . direct grinding of what will not be in vain ukraine is now mobilizing permanently. that is, before there were waves. now this is a permanent process, and what will it be more permanent? forgive me, and the fewer soldiers will act, respectively, there is a danger of the transfer of the military conflict into e. nato conflict russia because if there are no ukrainian soldiers, then, accordingly, uh, it will be necessary to carry on, because the goal is clearly stated russia must lose to russia exactly the opposite goal russia must win in this regard. us

it is absolutely necessary to make nato understand, including and not only by exhorting what it is. if we are talking about transferring russia to nato into a conflict, then we will talk about more serious things, for example, a threat or attempts to coordinate targets to aim. eh, that is actually. if you need to participate, then well, in my opinion. it only does work with the orbital grouping. after all, nato has already entered into this conflict, because when they are engaged in target designation, they have already entered, and he has already entered, that we it must somehow be important that politeness is still observed . it is important that now and still at the official level there is a denial that this is actually happening, but judging by e, 200 and judging by what is happening in terms of arms supply, we are already talking about a direct conflict, attention is an issue. whether they go into the nuclear phase, because the discourse about this on the western ah media front, it

is already open. it's already opened a month ago. that's it, but in my opinion, it is open for the sole purpose of accustoming the population of western countries, because it it is inevitable that even the use of tactical nuclear weapons in ukraine is inevitable. because ukraine is not a pity. yes, this is the reality of our days. it seems to me that the countries that are now striving for nato, in particular, our two northern neighbors. they should be clearly aware that the neighbors have already told the fat that we did not expect that turkey will resist they go. where did you get into , what is called here e we have already noticed. by the way, they noticed that in our conversation, when we are already quietly forgetting about ukrainians. we are talking about sweden, about finland, about poland, about france, about it, but about ukrainians, we, as it were, about those who are looking for ukraine are actually forgotten in nato and brussels, and in france and germany are already forgotten. true, ukraine, the ukrainian authorities themselves, at least, either decide on their own, or they are forced to engage in mobilization.

let's hear what the deputy secretary of defense has to say. die presidential decree on mobilization is a presidential decree on mobilization there are certain numbers that sets the president. how many citizens need to be mobilized as of today, has the mobilization gone completely according to plan? that is, we have no surprises, disruptions or some kind of mass evasion? no. voice those numbers that you spoke about or i understand that you cannot. about a large number about hundreds of thousands hundreds of thousands mobilized in this new wave look at how the mobilization is going on. why should these words be trusted? odessa can be shown there, yes, photos right on the beach fit military uniform, and issue subpoenas this man who is sunbathing now. by the way, most likely, he may not have come from odessa to odessa from other regions, well, who are fleeing from shelling. that's how it happens friends come to men who are in

swimming trunks without documents everywhere and just write them out. what do you think, well, what did i insist on the other side, yes, the ukrainian authorities, yes , zelensky, that is, look, what happens if, by and large, zelensky was left alone. well , let's do it, let's come tomorrow it's all here look. yes, that is, these are beautiful gestures. yes , they come to him tomorrow in order to show off there , uh, in front of television. it's easier today rammstein there. and so on. these are all beautiful gestures. see. let's, let's pay attention to some of the statements of the same stoltenberg blinky for today and so on. yes, that is, stoltenberg recently said that, uh, the victory of russia, apparently, will happen to the question of price. yes, that is the issue of territorial concessions. today, blinkin said that there will be no a-and the united states intervene in uh, the process in the peace agreement itself

must decide quite right. and this is a question of the president and the ukrainian people. uh, a few days ago he said, uh, made a similar statement. eh, the head of the lithuanian foreign ministry, he said that ukraine does not win, and it disappoints him , experts, italians and so on also say this. ukraine has a way out. uh, there is no way out, in fact, ukraine has a question. in this case, we are now just talking about why we are forgetting about ukraine. yes , now we need to talk more about nato, yes, then there is what is happening nato is preparing quietly. the west is quietly preparing public opinion for the fact that ukraine, uh, will be defeated. uh, so in this special operation to impose a solution there. yes , respectively. uh, the question is, how do you save face? yes, how can nato get out of this situation, and this is now in my opinion. the most important thing is, that is, of course, the supply of weapons will continue, of course, the decision will be made, but this friendship is colossal, that is, it is no coincidence that

podoliak says that russian artillery is in in a number of places it is 10 times higher than e, ukrainian e, it is no coincidence that the ukrainian office says that e germany supplied us with only 10%. from this situation. ukraine they are trying to save ukraine's face no, yes, they are trying to save, of course, if ukraine let's remind me from here of a computer game from the point of view of the ukrainian leader, at least this gop company that gathered there. when you play some kind of strategy, there is a loss. for example , you have the opportunity to buy guns for money for money to buy there little men who made early save. they played enough there in the whole feeling that they relate to events according to this principle, that at least zelensky and his headquarters think so, give us more, we will win. well, it's just like a computer game. this is a proxy war. channel only. they really, like a proxy, they really have some kind of click in their head, no one will win the war with the massive supply of weapons. and even if they prepared it as a specialist in germany and

, moreover, so carefully, they also read which day they are doing it, in principle, there are two options. again, an option. the first nato and i have a clear task so that the thin wound that was under the future russia stops thicker and thicker and de-energizes russia , while at the same time other russia needs to be clamped down the second option, indeed, they will be afraid and will do everything possible to freeze the conflict so that it remains region. we have not spread to all powers, and in this respect it must be considered all the time that they will break through at the political level, but at the nato level, that is, how russia will react? case in what the west clearly knows, they cannot calculate, neither putin today, nor tomorrow, nor yesterday, they cannot speak to the end, because the west is no longer united. it's definitely on our direct line, uh, ridovka special correspondents rostislav shorokhov rostislav hello, you are from donetsk, as far as i know, how is the situation today. yes, now i am in the city, donetsk, the situation is actually difficult, because today in the morning they started working here. here, that is

, explosions were heard over the whole city, then at lunchtime. uh, the situation has stabilized a bit and become easier. today. here again, around two or three in the afternoon , dense intense explosions began. and at first they thought that it was coming at e, the shelling was the same as it was on monday. well, later it turned out that they also sing about ours, and the ukrainian rocket, which was aimed precisely at the city. yes , the kuibyshev region also came under fire, there, uh, two people were injured. they are hospitalized , they are pensioners, and they are also under fire now , makiivka, where they are beating 155-millimeter ammunition, and it is there that the most difficult situation so far is in donetsk itself. it is relatively quiet, that is, we have not heard explosions for more than an hour, because it was during the day, but here it was

quite loud. 155-mm howitzers, as the locals believe, what will happen when heavier weapons are delivered, the very haimars that can hit more far will give the rszo, how do people react to this and react ordinary people, ordinary civilians. they're in such detail as a rule, they do not delve into it, but of those military men with whom i spoke, of course, this causes alarm for them, because of the intensity of shelling. it is now really increasing every day after the delivery of new jet systems. uh, all this will also be applied in donetsk and here people. here are the military. or those who, uh, military journalists, understand this perfectly, so the understanding that further the intensity of the fire will increase with me. there is of course what

these deliveries are. and this is no defensive technique, in principle, is a system that is designed for massive strikes. that is, they hit the squares. and that's all, that is, these are not some kind of point systems, not some kind. eh, specific things. these are the machines of terror that will soon arrive near donetsk thank you very much the special correspondent of the publication ridovka rostislav shorokhov from donetsk actually overflows with anger, when you listen to this that the nato standard hits russian soldiers. the main thing in russian people, as i remember alexey petrovich, is literally 15 seconds. and if here these missiles, which will be supplied by the americans, which will be guided by the americans, all of a sudden these missiles will be on the territory of russia, what will happen? well, if this happens and god forbid it happens. uh, the massive defeat of russian cities with victims and so on. yes, we will enter into operation or we will introduce a basic policy in the field of nuclear weapons, which

clearly states that when delivering such strikes with non-nuclear weapons of mass destruction, it gives us the right to strike back at decision-making centers that are not located on territory of ukraine they must. i think that it was very important to hear it for those who make decisions there. the information channel continues its work on the air. the special project is time to remember. my name is alexander gordon. the president of poland, anzhi idu , gave an interview to the german publication bild. he complained about something, remembered something, talked about something, but among other things there was one phrase that made me simply. spend a lot of time calming down and gathering you dear experts to discuss how long memory is more or there is also

already political historical insanity, and in order to understand what i'm talking about, let's listen to what pandudo said. all these stories about the fascists in ukraine about the ukrainian nazis, this is just stupidity, completely stupidity. this is russian propaganda in the worst soviet style. this is a complete lie. and of course, the russian media will try to spread it all over the world, but i know that this is one big lie, they are not there at all. here they lived, finally, in general no that is, there is no cult, bandera and what's his name? this is shukevich. there are no torchlights. there is no national battalion, who then steals with weapons in their hands, they fight against the donbass , except for the regular ones. there are no nazis there, they are not there, this is very strange. hear from a pole. although given the origin of this particular pole. it must be remembered that his cousin, his baby, nevertheless served in adler and now the prosecutor general's office in belarus. belorusskaya is conducting an investigation, and his actions

on the territory, and in the minsk region and the gomel region, in my opinion, this is still ahead. and here's what the poles behind are strange, you hear from imagine. for a people who had a terrible experience during the second world war, a terrible time to remember how it was. in poland, the volyn massacre organized during the second world war by ukrainian nationalists was recognized as genocide with bestial cruelty. adepts exterminated the poles just because they were poles, women, old people, children, did not spare anyone, even babies, the man was on the street , they just approached him and cut his head with an ax went into the house in bed from the position when she was hit an ax to the head of a boy. he was 9-10 years old and jumped up and started yelling stepan don't kill me. i will give you bread. apparently he was familiar with the killer , knew his name, and he waved an ax and the boy collapsed to the floor. the civilian population was not only destroyed, but tortured, and the exterminated

villages were burned to the ground. years will pass and the polish historian alexander korman, on the basis of documentary evidence, will record 135 methods of torture from the atrocities used by ukrainian nationalists during the volyn massacre. published a series of chilling illustration. by killing poles, ukrainian nationalists took revenge on poland and for the loss in the ukrainian-polish war of 1919 due to its national policy from 1921 to 1939 western volhynia was part of the polish republic and despite the predominant ukrainian population, the country's authorities carried out aggressive colonization of ethnic ukrainians were considered second-class people they were not hired for good work and were not allowed to take part in the state and public life of the country. first world war ii situation has changed the polish republic. the western ones collapsed, volhynia became part of the ukrainian ussr and

the poles living on its territory were, in fact, sentenced to death. after all, the nationalists considered these lands to be ukrainian and set their tasks to completely clear them of other nationalities by cruel massacres on ethnic grounds in order to force all poles to leave. volyn began in march 1943 and lasted almost until the end of 1944. during the punitive operation, more than 50,000 people died. during the years of the second world war, the poles will face not only ukrainian nationalism, it is on the territory of nazi germany-occupied poland that one of the most infamous death camps, sobibor and auschwitz, will operate. they were called a man-made hell on earth, kilometers of baraki barbed wire and thousands of people imprisoned in order to serve the representatives of the superior aryan race. arbat mach frei

frees work cynical inscription over the entrance to the concentration camp, auschwitz, the polish city of auschwitz seemed a mockery. after all, freedom from here is not work in the camp was very hard, they were fed very poorly, 300 g of bread, in which there were many impurities of wood flour, soup from rutabaga barely once a day. the workers were examined every day. and if severely ill people were found, they were shot or suffocated in gas chambers and burned in furnaces not far from the camp , four huge furnaces were specially built in which corpses, killed and strangled people were burned, except for furnaces. there were two large pits, where they also burned the corpses of the tortured, shifted them with firewood and burned, but people in the camps were needed not only for work. it was living material for medical experiments by physicians. operations without anesthesia , skin grafting, testing of new medicines , genetic and anthropological experiments, in particular, history has preserved a letter in which hitler's right hand, henry himmler, called for the urgent

start of a series of sterilization experiments concluded with the aim of developing a rapid method for the biological destruction of the slavs. that's what i think, is it really for the sake of the land that poland simply wants to return to itself, especially in spice operation time. it is obvious to everyone that a statement has already been made that the border will be moved. although they said differently, that there would be no border between our countries. but is it possible to forget the memory? that's the people of the whole, right? is it really possible to refuse this for the sake of such territorial acquisitions, and in general poland has the right to say something now that would deny nazism in ukraine of course, the poles want to tear it off. eh friends. uh, poles, although here the friends of ukrainians are torn off and western ukraine and maybe even then the whole question is that, of course, their memory is short, they did not forget that more than 6 million people died during the second world war. this jew

is poles, what has he not forgotten? you can say? do you remember, for example, when there is an anniversary of the warsaw machine, how it looked in general, as i explain now, we did everything to help warsaw out. themselves right, who wanted to capture the city before the russians, we are talking here we are talking in turn. this is clearly the host, who gave you the floor, everything is fine, and you are fine, so i it seems that further i will tell you the educational program mac chester the historical fact that the hat is polish. unfortunately, well, that's how it happened there was such an anecdote, there are 10 polish peasants for one peasant. the way is a blue dream for them, and in the literal figurative sense , in order to capture this territory, make a mini empire, because the poles have always strived for this

empire and dominate the east slavic space. they didn't succeed. uh, the time of troubles failed at the beginning of the twentieth century. today. they want to revive this great frontier from husband to husband, the border, at least. 772 years and here, if the ukrainians carry out this nazi regime to the poles - this is only beneficial, they will remember the volyn massacre. yes, because then they killed. and we will seize these territories , not seize them, liberate them, because historically they will prove it. this is ours. this is what the ukrainians are today, and let's say the zelensky regime in essence. uh, wrong, softly. there we will say that the poles will come and begin to help them out, they will go over and start them as western ukraine twenties and thirties, concentration camps, landowners, in fact, the closure of all ukrainian schools of newspapers.

this will essentially be colonization. actually. it is the same nazi regime for poles today when they see nazism. well, in ukraine this is also beneficial, because they want to establish the same thing in western ukraine in the near future . you have the floor, right? but i'd like to come back to memory because we're talking about memory here. yes, as perceived by the poles, and the second world war. and this is a very painful question for them, because here was, uh, the right to show these footage, already remaining of their concentration camps. yes, and the poles, along with soviet citizens, became, or received more victims. here's to the nazi regime. this is also true, and they honor this memory. i already mentioned here. this is just the warsaw uprising for them, it is a very painful, but very bright holiday. although, in general, the capture of the storm was divided, in short, you will still return to us from london, i'm talking about today's rise. here he said that ah to zombify. he will accept anything. and my god

well. no stop. let's answer my question. here they are in memory. they are there something of the memory of the people who died during the warsaw uprising and the remaining six million people who died during the second mother, so now, why are they in the person of the president to people who honor something completely different and remember something completely different. they remember just upa bandera. that is why they are now saying to the poles that these people do not have nazi ideology, he is a very cunning person. well, that's the way politics should be. though of course he goes over some moral boundaries. case. what's the matter is that in poland ukrainian nationalism is well-known and known as banderism, while the poles do not believe that bondarism is nazism or fascism. they do not identify one with the other nazism. for them. this is a german ideology, and

banderism is ukrainian and so. e. i'm sure now in poland to hold. uh, social studies ask ordinary poles on the streets. what they feel worse about is what is better, what is worse german nazism or ukraine and e banderism is 70 percent, eh, sometimes they will say more that banderism is, of course, worse than nazism and what it is based on, firstly hmm well, the germans of modern poland have much better relations than the ukrainians, there are a lot of opinion polls here ukrainians. all the time they occupy the top lines, as the most unloved people, this is one or two, well, for example, modern poland does not accuse germany of genocide, and, uh, ukrainians are accused of genocide for the bandera volyn massacre. moreover, this accusation was put forward and carried out, uh, at the parliamentary level, just now ah, the ruling party is right justice, therefore the attitude towards bondarism, really very bad. uh, sharp

negative. and in general, probably even worse than to nazism. at least he doesn't notice. he was also asked about nazi fascism. he says that banderism did not tell the truth. he is a cunning politician. can i ask? that's why you share nazism? and bondarism i try the poles, right? this is how european politics is cunningly arranged, because yes, they constantly say nazism. what nazism? this is a historical concept. let's not eat neo nazism. and here let's figure it out. it's called behind the trees and see forests, actually. and of course, as we already said in the program that nazism is always historical, it is simply reincarnated and yes, let's close this topic, as for the dude of his personal business, a person is trying to be a european politician, so everything he says and has is very pragmatic basis. and he says it's really a very clever

way, but he says, of course, scary things. why because he offers polish society. uh, exchange you forget you like this one free the mug for fresh tea, and for a new new life, and so on. we are pouring ukrainian lands into it. let's put aside this historical banderism, nazism and so on for a while so that we can see that a colony has appeared, the polish state is now looking for colonies, just like other western countries. that is, she does not want to stand out in this sense than they are, the more worse it is for america, which is constantly engaged in the colonialism of britain, which is asked the same to france, and so on all european countries, who consider themselves developed, who are members of the seven, they are now engaged in building colonial relations, the more worse. she can not do it overseas, but she does it in the neighborhood. pomitue exploits those historical facts on which she builds a new one. uh, a new

historiography that will justify. here is this colonial seizure, on the one hand, getting slaves, roughly speaking, well, what, they are already de facto working there on the land of their personal fields, yes, and all that for food, here, but on the other hand, uh, they will talk about what's good guys. yes, we have a complicated history with ukraine, but guys, but you must understand what we are talking about. here we get a lot from this. different things, moreover, they receive these serious economic preferences exactly in e. as a result of the fact that the european court ceases to pay attention to the polish economic miracle, although in fact their aspiration. they are quite paramatic in nature. they have nowhere to go. this is clear. that's what i'm thinking about is watching, and a certain number of people, who confess. uh, nationalism of any kind. there are them in every country, maybe a lot of them, maybe a little. here is how they claimed during the maidan of the fourteenth year. why are you afraid of something in ukraine, only 2% of these nazis, but when the state does not fight with two percent of these

nazis, but makes their religion faith official ideology and states. here, then we get what we get and deny that nazism is part of the official ideology of kiev i think that only people could come up with. you i was once told or one of your colleagues, right? well, look at yourself, these are the russian marches that you had. and where are they, where are these russian marches, russian nationalists dispersed, some of them are in prison for a crime, the rest was quickly reforged. why because the state did not patch these extreme manifestations in the human character, and ukraine encourages, huh? poland is now once again encouraging with words what is happening in ukraine is not so. undoubtedly. well first of all i think duda uh deliberately lies and understands this very well, because in ukraine there is, in addition to the bandera, so to

speak, movement, and also azov in the main eastern regions, which are deliberately open to the nazis, they consider themselves nazis. this is how they position themselves and duda cannot but know this. well, they have a bad attitude towards bandera, so there are really different ideologies, different movements. and that 's it. it's uh sir. duda knows perfectly well, but it’s obvious that, for duda , priorities are different here, in general, you need to understand that poland now he is not fighting for some pieces of land . ukraine is often spoken of among us. so they want to attract the lviv region for themselves, or or return the entire western ukraine to the orient express. well, they have a longing for eastern rats for polish lvov nostalgia is strong, but at the same time they perfectly understand that there are no poles there anymore, there is no polish culture. and there are ukrainians, whom they must say are not very slippery schools, yes, and cut, which they do not want in such numbers

now, and so in the country every tenth resident is already uh ukrainians and for them it is. uh, significant social tension issues. but what ukraine wants absolutely right. e was said, what, uh, what? poland wants, she wants to see herself as the mistress of all ukraine, she is fighting for all of ukraine, but ukraine is not even her goal here, her main goal. poland as seen from warsaw is a struggle with russia from the point of view. poland is in a huge fight. eh, so to speak the whole west with. e. that's the evil empire, what really. uh, poland has been considering russia for many centuries not only the wording of the american president, prompted to him, by the way, saying polyakov and this is a huge historical process that we have forgotten about the poles in general, already in the nineteenth century we decided to forget a little, because well, this is such an old opponent, but

defeated and let's try on . well excuse you. i wanted to charge it is absolutely not true what we have in the pro-poles forgot that we did not study our joint history. well, excuse me great patriotic war 400,000 soldiers of the polish army fought on our side, and 200,000 poles on the side of the wehrmacht, this is not counting the blue rings. i do not agree, and you will say your own. but just after that, we had to be friends with the poles, as with the fraternal slavic people and the socialist nation, therefore, the old contradictions. we somehow forgot. it really is. so it is known simply from polls. but in poland they have not forgotten. they remember that the main process of polish history - it did not start to the east in the xiv century, although according to polish mythology it went on until the xvii century in the eleventh century, in the 17th century, as soon as the poles were already

driven from moscow, the reverse process of russia's offensive began on all this territory. e of the historical dominance of poland and this huge process ended in the 20th century, the poles feel that they are now living in e, the most important historical moment, when a new offensive of poland to the east finally began, but in this and in this they see their the main historical mission in the fight against russia, so, i am the last phrase, but they see ukraine not as a goal this fight. but as a prize for victory in this war, as a prize for victory over russia, they understand that they cannot defeat russia themselves, so it is necessary to organize the entire west for this struggle, and now they are partially successful. i want to show you more. another document, which was 2 years ago for the 75th anniversary of liberation. warsaw from the german invaders was published by the ministry of defense secrecy was busy and we found out what the capital of poland was in january forty-

five. let's remember on january 17, 1945, the red army entered warsaw, destroyed after during the warsaw uprising, the red army stood and watched from the other bank of the vistula as warsaw was being destroyed. it was not a release. it was the bringing of a new communist captivity. and we must remember this. respecting, of course, individual soldiers. this excuse me please, it was a response to that document that was published. now , let's take a look at the document itself. warsaw is destroyed on the streets there is not a single intact house, entire neighborhoods have been turned into ruins, not a single monument remains. the cultural values ​​of the city were destroyed and plundered. almost in every yard. there are graves along the streets, the corpses of tortured poles are scattered in the street of the trenches. there are burial mounds. according to residents. up to 120,000 poles killed and burned by the germans are buried here. only for warsaw, 22,000 soviet soldiers died, and this

, uh, dear pavel eblonsky, says that this was not a liberation. it was the bringing of the new communist captivity about it. we must remember. respecting, of course, the individual soldiers of this individual, these 22,000 or 600,000 who in general, ah, they died before liberating, poland is simply incomprehensible to the mind, this blasphemy is actually, uh, the story is told. the fact is that when the red army approached warsaw, on orders from london, boer komarovsky, they raised an uprising in order not to let it in, they thought the red army would come in, and now they will present the conditions. here we are already standing. in fact, the red was exhausted for 500 km. before that, it had passed and the germans launched a counteroffensive. and at that moment they raised the uprising naturally, it was necessary naturally. it failed and the blood of these

120,000 people is wholly and completely on the london government in exile. this is absolutely true and the blood of our soldiers, which, by assault through the vistula in september, together with the poles, the polish troops tried to force it to save poles. it is also on the conscience of the london migrant government. actually. here is your question about today. oleg also talked about nazism, but from the nazis, after all. codes of world war ii exposed many nations, including the czechs we know when in 1942 in the year that heydrich was buried, hundreds of thousands of residents took to the streets of pradis and zigzagged. and who killed him directly, who, who they successfully worked for the german ones, of course, yes, the czechs crushed the podolsk cadets near moscow, your tanks gave

the russian boys, who just produced titanium tanks in prague, say you don’t know the specific issues in your country in the czech republic edition minecraft allowed allowed. who is reading it? i don't know how they are morons. why is a moron here in poland they are convinced that without publishing a biography of hitler there is no scientific process. well, they are full of thoughts, let's listen to what the publisher said about minecraft. and why he decided to publish it now in poland, it was important for us to give a complete picture of what minecraft is and explain. what could be the consequences on the one hand. this is a tribute to those who died because of this book with another warning about how easy it is to ruin a democratic system and come to totalitarianism without even realizing it he said. on

the one hand, this is a tribute to the memory of those who died because of this book. here's how you can understand it refer to the edition in modern poland minecraft well, you know, i see here two positions that are discussed, in my opinion, in all countries, including poland, one position is such that dangerous texts and texts that have a bad effect on history have led to great crimes need to be protected from the eyes of the people, otherwise the common people will revere and become infected with these ideas, but another position. what could be, on the contrary, they should be read , discussed and thus overcome. here are those, ah, bad thoughts, those painful processes, associated with these books. i think he has a few of both positions, but it seems to me that the scientific publications of such books really have

the right to be, because we scientists must study. well, how did it happen in the 20th century? that, for example, mani defeated nazism, what fascinated the germans so much, well , scientists really need to do it, you can go to the library and take the edition of minecraft that was published there during his lifetime, hybridizes, of course. now for this you do not need to go to the library. in fact , everything is available in our time in more internet, if everything is available in our time, if any scientist has access to resources for these. why publish this book on paper? it seems to me that, uh, it's not worth exaggerating the danger of this book on paper, firstly, it's a rather weak book. e. well, listen, she is such an untalented fiction, well, an autobiography that really could influence german society in its time, but for this you need to be, firstly, germans in culture, and secondly, to survive the experience of the first world war and live right here time then there really are such moments that can put pressure on your consciousness and, uh, how

much it hurts, but a modern pole is russian or a check who reads this book. uh, it's unlikely to get infected somehow seriously. with these ideas, but okay, but to learn from this book, let's suppose he believes that there the international social democratic movement is a tool of the jews for the enslavement of the german nation. well, but, but he is worried, maybe he will find a democratic party in his country and you will say bad you want to enslave the germans. well, they laugh at him, actually. uh, the book, first of all, it 's really weak, the book. she played a certain role and and based on, uh, the circumstances of the place and the time of the circumstance. you see, we are discussing the fact of publishing the fact of publishing in poland, which turns a blind eye to ukrainian nationalism, where the national movement is its own polish. yes , quite strong always has always been. well they give the building a symbol of german fascism. i

ask. why him? well, how about for a check and i get you i will say that yes, the book is published and staged. shelf shelf , well, it doesn’t mean much, but the book starts working when it is opened by different people. for example, pickles, a tasty product in themselves, milk is a useful product. but if you combine the effect of the known, that's the same thing happens with books, when they start to go into society, they start to work, and being symbols start to be a kind of ticket to a certain public er hmm a model, and we ca n't ignore the fact that minecraft is the most popular book that is read current neo nazis and historical nazis. yes , it is. this is a fact, and practically the majority in many luggage bags. what is called those people we know as nazis, calling the gifts and so on. it is contained in one form or another, either in the form of citations, or in the form of a full edition, and so on. this is a kind of

symbol. and he must be treated. like a symbol. i certainly do not ban not uh on the position when to ban a scientific publication, yes of course, but in soviet times it was spetsnaz. here to me it seems to be enough to add, indeed, among the nazis, among the nazis, ukrainian. nations, like here in the defeated positions, these copies are found, and the point is that it is published, after all, when it is published, like paper, because its advertising is immediately public attention, people immediately begin to be interested in the internet. correctly, we can find all this, but scientific knowledge, young people will not read. they will take this bright red book, yes, and what is written there, they are prepared for a society such as polish, for example, to which excuse me from the seventies-eighties. these are the seeds of nazism, which they scattered in western europe. this is also already prepared ground, as in the czech republic, by the way, speaking in this respect, when

you start to compare, remember the icebreaker. suvorov came out in the nineties 2 million. one and a half to two million people started, there is only one nonsense and a misrepresentation of facts, but when it came out and 2 million copies people began to read and remember how our attitude to the great patriotic war to the hero changed. by the way, this was the first sabotage, ideological such. i just want to remind you that in one of the programs. then i asked you a question. why did czechoslovakia break up? you answered in the utmost honesty, right? yes, because we hate the czech republic words never said hater alexander is, well, good. we treat them very badly and it's true, it was exactly like this and now, if you are here before the next programs. i will open the archive and show what you are saying, but czechoslovakia fell apart precisely because of the relations between the two peoples to each other, right? yes , now two peoples who fought almost all their lives trying to create a new reality. i mean ukraine and poland, i don’t know if they will succeed. then

i took the floor and said, lads, it's time to finish the market. don't waste your energy and passion. however, we still appreciate their country, because 4 of their tankers helped us in the war. well, their dog. these are the words of dima kimfelnaya, my friend the poet and musician , written in the late seventies. and the film came out how many there almost 60 years ago? when i watched it as a child, i was absolutely convinced that this is how it should be. here there are georgians, there are polish jews soldiers polish dog. even though she is a german shepherd. yes, everyone is fighting together against fascism, and i still have this conviction. so let's not swear, fight together and continue

to work live. this is an information channel on the first anatoliy kuzichev program time will tell , uh, ukrainian adviser to the head of the ministry of internal affairs, viktor drusiv. tells interesting news there is a threat. how they express the occupation of slavyansk by russian troops is interesting, let's listen to him. russia cannot move to deployed attack in the slavic in the coming days, most likely they will go to barvinkov, in order to move through this settlement to encircle slavyansk at the same time, another group of invaders will advance from the estuary, that is, on the other side of the slavic, this is a challenge in the coming days, some words but thanks. it is interesting. now , lieutenant colonel of the people's militia of the dpr , deputy of the people's council of the donetsk people's republic, andrey boevsky andrey vasilievich, is in touch with our studio hello everyone. well, in ukraine they say, well

the truth is in such a specific vocabulary, but about the next offensive of our forces on the slavic battle for slavyansk, moreover, they call it a challenge in the coming days, how would you comment on this? what is really going on there? well, in general, i want to say that there is no particular secret in the fact that the configuration of the front and the direction of movement of our troops, er, liberating the territory of the donetsk and lugansk people's republics. uh, in general , shows that the liberation of the slavic kramatorsk and druzhkovka is one of those tasks which are set for a fairly near future, so this is no longer a forecast. it can already be said that everything indicates that the task - it will be performed. and, of course, it will be fulfilled understood? and? let's talk more than once about slavyansk proslavinsk. ah, what is there, this is an important object in a symbolic sense in a historical sense

. in a strategic sense, it is also understandable. but tell me, please, here, the capture or liberation of slavyansk will allow us now, from this angle, we evaluate a lot, will it allow to reduce, for example, the shelling of donetsk well, i would not talk about only one slavyansk i would say, but in general about the agglomeration from slavyansk, kramatorsk and druzhkovka the fact is that the liberation of these territories and these settlements will allow. uh, let's put it this way. accelerate the encirclement of the entire northern group of armed forces of ukraine and. of course, this will create a certain threat and eliminate the bases on which the artillery and rocket launchers of ukraine are based in these nights, of course this will reduce the risks for donetsk. and in general, the republic understood this. thank you. thank you very much andrey boevsky. lieutenant colonel of the people’s militia of the dpr, deputy of the people’s council of the donetsk people’s republic, is in direct contact with us. thank you, andrey

vasilyevich, and now this is what we’ll talk about the united states. you remember, of course, about him and about this decision, an unprecedented decision. remember the united states and talked about the allocation of kiev a huge amount in the form of forty or in the amount of 40 billion dollars. well, there is someone who thinks that this decision is so spontaneous it's under impression there, i don’t know the picture, as you remember it was at one time, when trump’s daughter brought him pictures from siri, he says, lord, beat urgently beat not to think, not for a second. no, this is a decision of a different kind, it is not entirely spontaneous. america has actually long been moving towards the fact that ukraine needs to be armed, it needs to be armed methodically, and as it should be, the russian special operation has become, so to speak, well, an excuse or an excuse for legalizing this in the public field, but there was never, so to speak, a reason, as we, at least, it seems that means that even before the start of the special military operation, such an analytical center belonged to the atlantic cosell, which, naturally, is based

in washington, published a report under the intriguing, especially now interesting title of the 2022 global strategy to counter the kremlin’s aggression today for constructive relations tomorrow and the americans in it. actually, they say what we need to do with the fragment, let's listen. washington's goal should be to get the russians out of eastern ukraine the united states should set clear red lines. as a deterrent and to be ready to act quickly when moscow crosses them or poses such a threat, appropriate responses may include military economic and diplomatic tools depending on the violation, the strategy sets out the goals of increasing us military assistance to ukraine strengthening the presence of allies in the black sea and on the northeastern flank of nato support for independent media of russian civil society and non-systemic opposition supporting and strengthening the current sanctions regime weakening the russian economy. over

time, it will reduce moscow's military potential . i won’t even go into detail there, but there are a few about increasing us military assistance to ukraine and strengthening the presence of allies, and so on. but this one here is support for russian civil society, not a systemic opposition, and so on. hello, these are the same people who were lying, so to speak, in hysterics in the falling fight. someone would have something there attempt, but the intervention of the country's internal affairs independent sovereign recorded well. and here is another interesting detail, and this report did not do without help, that is, the most russian non-family opposition. and only you see there in the report it is written that she needs help. and then she helped the journalists of the artery drew attention to such a comment by the former us ambassador to ukraine, john hirst. at the very end of this rather voluminous seventy- page report. naturally, all this was impossible without the help of our sponsors thanks to foundation for the future russia, this work became possible.

so the fund let's a few words about this fund is located in london founded by the russian opposition leader mikhail khodorkovsky, who was convicted in russia for fraud and not only for fraud. he was noted for a lot of things, so to speak, in addition to him, other generous enemies of russia were also involved. portal sentence.ru provided rt with copies of the current annual report. according to him, only in 2020 did the khodorkovsky fund transfer to the atlantic council. as a financial aid of £151,900 among other sponsors. atlantic conseil ukrainian oligarch number one number two ukrainian forbes rinat akhmetov and viktor pinchuk look how vladimir vladimirovich simply sounds. it seems like a formula that is very good and significant and correct and quite rightly, vladimir vladimirovich we have a lot of enemies, so to speak, and that's all and not only so

to speak across the ocean. these are not only the british , the british, who are shitting, not only the americans, who wrote in their strategy that we need to do something with us, not only europe, which dangles like a well-known product from an ice hole, but all the time, that is, it orients itself. well, and so on, but ours, as it were, actually without them somewhere we understand, well, khodorkovsky is ours, of course, it has long been impossible to name. but how much he was kept here is possible, as it were, ours, yes, who were the fifth column are the fifth column, i will say they are often kept, yes, and they did not hide it. yes, this is a fact, indeed the atlantic chancellor is an organization that has been directly involved in the ukrainian direction over the past a few years you named an orc. yes, and the diplomat of the former ambassador to ukraine is there and makful there and, by the way, tse people who were directly part of the management structure of the ukrainian electricity of state-forming objects, like ukrzaliznytsya there and so on, of course naftogaz of ukraine and

so on. that is, these are people who had a label for reigning, which means there were calls on behalf of the american government, there were labels, apparently it was clear that it was spelled out that their relationship to russia was considered and is being considered ukraine solely in order to use it against russia as anti-russia for them, it was and is. as a matter of fact, the main topic and the main topic on it have never hidden this. and the fact that now makfu is on behalf of the ukrainian government. note that he is developing an official strategy for ukraine yes, including in negotiations with russia and the like, but this is also an indicator of how far ukraine's external management has gone . why, it's interesting, we are discussing, so to speak, different different rhetoric. like this to tell. uh, whether to share the territories, or rather, admit them to accept this difficult, so to speak , situation, but realistically, yes, or there, uh, were

to fight to the end, but in fact look yes , all all territories are so to say, and there is the good old 100-200. i no longer know how old, uh, the strategy towards russia. she alone remembers how souls are wonderful impulses briefly, i would like to remind all of us . e long way when we helped them. here take the fifty-seventh year, when it was just, and the cold war is like that. here the development there was clearly the same plan. where the same ukraine was a very important interesting such object. for their influence. they studied. so where can they be? you're right. where can they ukraine in many plans. it is often mentioned that individual allocate themselves there to show themselves on something. and now, let's say, that crimea as crimea is not loyal. it was a region for them, which means, no, it means that lugansk is not loyal to kharkov

areas. and that's all that man is to the west, they counted on that in that period of time. if paratroopers enter there, for example, it means american ones, that is, they will support them there. so, that is, this is a story, as if it weren’t for you, as far as 10 seconds are concerned, then, uh, here. funds for this, i, in fact, served the special service, when mr. khodorkovsky is a swindler, on whom we headed the branding, which means that i am an operational unit that received operational intelligence information, official information that you have to think about when he will head and the owner of yukos was the khanty-mansiysk district. he wrote, why is he sitting such a scammer, he is a cool scammer from the point of view that she in the world and so still in the state did not like people then, not russia, which means they wrote oil, which was previously produced by enterprises that were downhole fluid. this is by itself the most brilliant femism in the history of russian fraud. yes, this is the case, because there have already been brought up, allegedly this is

for the state of oil, underestimating the tax invested base without paying. she is something of the russian budget what can we talk about? oh, how can we understand? in fact? well, it doesn't matter here. well , no, actually, not exactly witty. i think ostap bender of course. now i would applaud the wells for liquid, we extract, and even sell a little, but god what difference does it make, agree? khodorkovsky petrov vasichkin it doesn't matter, it doesn't matter, they find these people good. these people themselves, so to speak, are glad to be, and, so to speak, the same task they are given the same task on for many fifty-seventh year. i said 1857, nothing has changed. the same shortly passed, but the west has a strategy. indeed, several centuries in relation to russia, and does not change, because russia has , er, an understandable resource potential. uh, their economy, their society requires it, they have been looking at our resources for a long time. they have long adopted a containment policy towards russia and are now consolidating all these statements around themselves. what

, well, there, like, for example, but an appeal to the leadership of ukraine, dear friends. you will have to come to terms with reality, one must still, probably, think about edita's strategic epic attitude. they will never give up. here are plans for the division of russia's growth and weakening. they see russia they are about it. directly they say they write, so everyone who doubts. well, what is to calculate, look, maybe they really are. after all, they are there, er, remember, in many headlines. yes, putin announced, they remember, they emphasized it right at some time, then they realized that it was rather stupid, because the consolidation of society is understandable. now we have some kind of unprecedented, comparable to the fourteenth year. putin means he is at war with ukraine, there is no russia what is russia and what kind of russia will suit them? good question. that's what kind of russia they think will suit them, crying, so to speak, penitent and paying, i'm afraid that no, let's listen to alexei arrestovich. and imagine that tomorrow putin loses and loses all this shobla, what will happen next

wins some, navalny whom the oligarchs puts as a compromise figurant, and he begins to turn russia into a parliamentary country on in the west, everyone will immediately howl with delight. it is a pity that we won, it is russia that wants to be a civilized western country, we are further lifting sanctions, opening up available technologies. and again. we are buying a business. navalny fills his pockets, buys some restyled scheherazade yacht and starts a war with ukraine well, maybe i give 100% 101% and the question arises all this under the applause of the west that, finally, we got the kind of russia that we need, that is, that is there is no russia that would suit there is no such russia, you understand the problem in the fact that russia is worth and we russians is a fact that, as it were, which is necessary, which must be overcome in some way, it must disappear. you understand what's the matter. this is russia, ukraine, so to speak, at the forefront, that's how it turned out . the paradox is actually a historical sense, well, the paradox is absolutely creepy, but, but yes, but nonetheless

, at the forefront. by the way, pay attention to the t-shirt paid attention to deep stories. there was written. uh, so he's a plalenki of this one, well, dyed girls caramels yes, thank you, vladimir vladimirovich, and it’s written, surrender, the nastiest, after all, the most irony, of course, the guy has, what can i say, his enemies cannot be underestimated about russia what the west needs , yes, because at one time we were glued for being communists, then they did democratic turn, and now they began to criticize us for being rich, that we are independent and ready, er, to conduct a mutually beneficial dialogue. yes, and therefore , no matter what happens to russia, we will always be uncomfortable, because we are nations and independent a nation with its own opinion, that is, pay repentance, this is no longer an option for us, and the nineties paid and repented to no one and made unpopular decisions. with regard to our population, yes, they made concessions, allowed the expansion of nato. yes, they were ready

to join this unfortunate nato themselves. they were silent when the west deployed weapons in violation of international treaties on our borders. and only now, with the advent of our president, vladimir vladimirovich putin, yes, and finally it opened up and they again were afraid that there is a strong person, with which they cannot agree, although he goes forward and holds out his hand. well, yes, vladimir vladimirovich, tell us, please, here, maybe there are such such words in this hypothetical one. here i am, something like an oath to the west from russia so that they don’t exhale into their poles and say, well, everything is fine in this regard. you know, e. here you have here in front of your part sounded the ideological paradigm of radical ukrainian nationalists. yes, good muscovites. this is a dead mask. that's by and large. that's what the west is yeah dreams of getting a good russia for them is a concentrated weak one. destroyed russia , including in this regard. i remember that your studio

quoted a very revealing report from the center for european political analysis. sepa is such a parallel structure to the atlantic council. yes, uh, where it was named proved on the fingers that the west can breathe out only if russia is divided between different states. it was even written there. which part of russia should whom japan should go to ukraine there else anyone who wants finland ukraine finland yes, she is, all the more so, the author of the report , janusz bugai pole, that is, of course, he is ethnically not an american with me, but in the sense of an ethnic pole. well, you know, they have everything there, it's in the blood, so to speak. and this is their dream. many of them do not hide this, but at the same time, of course, you see, when now they started this war against russia and the sacred, long-awaited one, thinking that now the sanctions and the war will ruin everything at once, but they call it a war like that.

here's what i'm looking at here. something here is not it turns out. now i see the tone is already changing , talk is already allowed that peace should still be made with russia, they mentioned that we were called a communist, and the well-known american philosopher thinker analyst, yes to us kholmsky. eh, the other day it says. listen , uh, until recently it was worth saying something wrong about ukraine, brand you from agent putin or a communist rat, no matter what , you understand, yes, the communist rat is still like that, and now the macron is already declaring these today. but you know europe still can't get away without russia . you still have to negotiate with her. i see it is becoming mainstream. kissinger made that hole in davos. and then all of a sudden. all this flowed under a row listen, how important, that's how important it is, in fact , to study geography at school, friends, and

not just to do the witcher's nonsense, then what they say that geography is a completely reasonable sentence. well, at the level of the third grade there. basically a compulsory school. yes considerations that nothing can be done about it, that you have to live with it, which means you have to negotiate. yeah, well, you see, for a lot of people. it was just, well, a terrific revelation that a lot of people didn't expect to hear. so we now have a direct connection with the head of the city and the hayloft dmitry shevchenko dmitry stanislavovich hello. thank you for being with us. good afternoon, eduard alexandrovich basurin told us today that the intensity of shelling in donetsk has decreased. he says, not completely, so to speak, got off, but no, to some in a way, but nevertheless, they fix it, and there we tried not to discuss what this is due to many factors. in fact, it is not known exactly what is hay. well, with great regret, the trend remains the same, a large number of several dozen shells continue, they arrive in a day, they pay active attention to all

cableways that are responsible for shelling the grass that connects us with makiivka from donetsk shelling around the clock. if at night it was possible to pass earlier calmly, and we often carried out the delivery of products in the dark, now they are actually hitting around the clock for the most part, unfortunately, again we have, uh, burnt houses, divided into apartment buildings, the post office is broken, the settlement of the red partisans is destroyed. well, the boiler house was broken, which also provides the population with heat in cold weather, so the situation as a whole has not changed, absolutely continues. and it will change when when avdiivka will be, well, in the sense of the position of the vushniks, the broken ones are defeated? yes indeed, the main direction that continues to bombard us is, again, avdiivka well, the so-called new york, which we remember so often lately. well, i want to tell you that the caravan is moving and the dogs that i heard are barking constantly, well, they let the caravan go from that point on, there is movement, perhaps someone wanted

this movement to be fast, but believe me, it goes, so, as he needs and goes out of his way , he will not return, so i am sure that in the near future, of course, i fired at us will end. and yes, the whole environment. it will change in an exceptionally positive way. i'm telling you like a pos- da, we are holding on and everything is fine. we're fine. everything in the city is and self-sufficient, despite that's all, as she says, hold on, please, but hold on, as far as the caravan is concerned, both on and the dog. yes, you see, the dogs not only bark, but actually bite, sometimes quite painfully perceptible, but the caravan is really moving on. and of course. look here. yes , how is it, how to show it? you us dmitry demolished you reassure us? well, we say thank you very much and stay strong. thank you very much. thank you. the caravan will reach, then we will meet, sit down thoroughly. well, and so on, the russian people understand what it is about. thank you dmitry shevchenko was in direct contact with us so dear russians. people, let's read an american newspaper, an american newspaper called the

washington post, and it doesn't just share its general philosophical considerations there , you'll laugh there, but it would seem yes, the holy war is a crusade against russia, everything strength to throw the solidarity of the whole world. god forbid, you don’t support ukraine at least a little in the wrong direction, you look at the flag in the wrong way, which means you are a communist rat and putin’s agent. but against the background of all this, all this hysteria, it means that ukraine has a problem with the javins. you know what kind of problems now you will laugh, please. ukrainians have an immediate problem with jewelin rocket launchers, the most sophisticated and finicky equipment costing six figures each. were in a non-working condition. no one in the unit was able to fix them the pentagon did not develop an accessible translation of the instructions for the vso, and google translator does not always correctly display what is written there. here you have the crusades, but also the christmas trees-sticks of the guys, well, somehow you have to be responsible, remember?