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meaning, it's hard to believe, but to western journalists who are trying to tell the truth. the course of the special operation threatens, real criminal responsibility. here is such a freedom of speech in germany about this and much more today in the program. this is an anti-fake program. here we are waging our fight against fakes and disinformation today in our studio dmitry drozdenko, military expert antona vadimovich gorelkin, deputy of the state duma of the russian federation, deputy chairman of the committee on information policy, information technologies and communications, and pavel zakharov, head of the department for the development of media technology it is a dialogue. hello , thank you, why did you come to us today? let's let's start with the first fake. and so, how does it sound russians, supposedly want to introduce the death penalty in

melitopol, the mayor of the city ivan fedorov said that this is being distributed on social networks. i think pavel you can comment on the distribution of this fake, the distribution was mainly through telegram, uh, it occurs in other social networks, but it occurs in much smaller volumes. here the distribution has gone of course, from the ukrainian experiment, the telegram through the largest channels that they have there real war and dust and everything else. uh, by itself. here's a fake that looks wild, because it has another, and let's say, an additional different meaning, that it's not easy to introduce the death penalty in melitopol there. there are also some reports about introducing a public death penalty, that is, even talking about it right on the streets. it's actually a little weird these days. here but nevertheless. i think that it all falls on e, such a blessed enough context for the fact that m-m is now reality in the information agenda,

including in the world, the topic of what fate awaits the british mercenaries is being discussed. this probably fits well with the context of this situation, and therefore the fake e is spreading quite organically. i basically agree. yes, anton vladimirovich what can you say about such a fake and the death penalty in melitopol? yes , alexander, well, this is a comrade called a remote mayor . eh, because yes. uh, when you did now you are somewhere deep in the rear. and when do you go from mayor to propagandist? it, of course, such a clear demonstration of the decomposition of the personality, and in this alternative reality we see e as uh, here the inhabitants of melitopol are being led to a public death penalty, although in reality. today we observe there, firstly, a peaceful life. secondly, uh, people are actively getting russian passports. there is a line of russian passports. people want to become russian citizens. and uh, melitopol is back. uh, peaceful life, so that

's all. here is his unhealthy fantasy, which actually appears due to the fact that the city without this mayor. something even begins to live a normal life. let's see. by the way, as the inhabitants had poplars, they receive russian passports, what they say about it, here you could already sign up and already take a photo. naturally, 420 more signed up in turn. yes, well, we decided to put it on the passport, which then all this was faster. we signed up from the thirty-first and today we have already passed. i will now connect mine with the russian federation, because, well, i understand that ukraine will no longer be hard here, of course to speak. for me, this is a very sore point. when i get passports, people believe that they are now united with russia and like donbas for people. now yes, people receive passports and feel, this

is the very unity that russia will be with them. yes , if there is dmitry what to add, therefore , i would like to note one thing about the occasion, that the ukrainian elite probably doesn’t put it in their heads, that russia is a state of law, a state of law, and that we actually, uh, the death penalty is under a moratorium and it’s impossible . basically, let's say and under the jurisdiction of the russian federation , aleksey sergeevich livanov is now in touch with us, deputy head of the main directorate of the ministry of internal affairs for the zaporozhye region, former assistant to the minister of internal affairs of ukraine hello, as always, we are glad to welcome you and would like to hear comments about this fake that allegedly russians in melitopol , although to reduce the death penalty, public more with? good afternoon. well, we are happy to comment remotely, it’s pointless to be kept only so that he, e, invents various fakes and endure the propagandists. the answer to such fakes. i always remember a quote from an american film with a russian hero, where he says, what is your evidence of the mayor at a distance of her such and such

links of some sheets to come up with some kind of leaflet with death penalty threats, so here you can load anything. and how are things now in meleutopol? here, well, events add up for life. calmly and well, but for the employees of the administration of law enforcement agencies, that is, we work tirelessly, because the amount of work is huge. the issue of calculating pensions for pensioners this is the issue of passportization. well, now they are showing, by the way, the queue for passports and gathered at the beginning of the case. there are more than 3,000 people, but very quickly, thanks to our volunteers and employees, we managed to schedule them for specific and specific times. this is such a number of people who want to enroll several people in the queue for russian passports every week, so there is no need to talk about some kind of forced passport training. or some kind of violence . that's right, to show the interview people who received passports, they are no longer afraid to give them away, despite the ukrainian threats.

this suggests that people have realized that the prospect is only in russia. that is why the ukrainian regime does not allow 5,000 civilian cars to pass here today in zaporozhye, people there suffer, they check us, they feel russia, they look at their phones in order not to reveal the fact that here we live much better than in the same zaporozhye, where gasoline costs several times more and more. you can't just buy it, because that everything goes to the front, and it dies there in ukraine, they don’t want to let people go to us, because otherwise it will be immediately obvious where the world itself is and where there is a prospect for people, and the local residents in the zaporozhye region have already understood their future, their future together with russia thank you very much speedy victory thank you emphasize goals. here are stuffing for the fact that there is a specific goal. we discussed with you that most of the fakes, uh, that the ukrainian information troops generate are oriented either to western society or to those who are in the tank, who are

sitting in this information bubble, uh, in the bunker and no one hears, wants nothing else. but this fake is oriented. just for those who today want to return to melitopol e, then those who are really standing in line want to return, they are not allowed. and, of course, it is focused on these people dmitry you also wanted to add. yes , i would like to focus on work. here are these people. that is, the military-gruzon administration according to e, such an ordinary, well, systematic work on establishing a life for establishing the functioning of the liberated territories, and how important it is, uh, this work, in fact, much more important than any uh slogan of slogans e inform messages, because e people are more of a degree. as a result, they believe, uh, not words, but deeds and the way they improve life, and the way people really want to return and live in a new way to receive passports suggests that the work is being done with high quality and i want to wish. e further labor success in this field with this fake

figured it out. and let's move on. and just like that, a video appeared on tiktok along the highway , dismantled aircraft being transported, supposedly for the sake of everything. oh damn it, i'll turn around to the house dmitry . i'll ask you, because here i am the identification marks and the plane itself, that this is a french mirage plane, as far as i can see and i can cover it for someone . it is quite possible that he is going to some museum, i think so, how good the plane is, by the way. is it currently in use or is it somewhere rather, a more historical car was produced quite a long time ago, because now, uh, france flies on rafales, that is, we have more

modern cars. i think led can clarify the situation with this fake, which can be embarrassing here. what is there to be embarrassed about? the author is not clear. who is filming this and, accordingly, uh, you need to assume a situation in which a person is driving calmly along such smooth roads, and against the background of a clear blue sky, he is filming how calmly he also transports absolutely, and without any escort aircraft. we can watch macron's performance. and what does he say about the supply of weapons and assistance to ukraine? macron announced the refusal of the west to supply aircraft and tanks to ukraine. this is how french president macron said that the west had agreed not to give ukraine planes and tanks. and that's good news. now let's see where this plane comes from. here he was preserved at the paris air show, back in 2017 , it was exactly there that he went to the air show in

paris here. what events were yes, and in 2019 there were i went to paris yes, and let's take a look, just so as not to doubt the aircraft number. be sure to verify this information. you can see here is the plane that is going and here is the plane that is standing in paris and that's right. yes , a showcase. yes, complement anton vladimirovich , as far as i know, ukraine does not have pilots capable of flying western planes today. they are still their school oriented. as far as i understand, piloting. uh, you want to add soviet and russian samples, yes, yes, to in principle, i just wanted to explain that, in principle, for a trained pilot. uh, relearn how to pilot equipment, including foreign ones. this may be true, it takes some time. that is, well, here to fly, for example, they would have learned. well, i don’t know there for weeks in 2-3 flights, but to fully exploit and carry out the combat use of such equipment, and this took a much longer period. i’ll explain e time of training why e

modern aviation technology is incredibly is complex, uh, has a large number of different electronic systems, which are indicators, which each in principle, u show a little help, especially since uh correctly, you said our specifics. exactly soviet is one and uh, western specificity. again, the display of, uh, flight information, they differ, that is, you can master it, it takes enough. uh, serious time. well, with this fake we figured out, let's move on to the next fake. alexei goncharenko is next in line. on donetsk go air battles. our birds lay down the enemy. this is how he wrote, and backed it up with a video. we will show it a little later, but you have seen this fake, only pavel is familiar with us, yes, well, what do you say, a fresh fake 21, however, a fresh one has not been sold very widely in the russian segment of the telegram. again this is the telegram distribution medium first

launched. clearly through an official. this is probably one of the key ways to introduce the current information war, which we are constantly meet, here, but with the video with himself, which, in general, is attached to this wonderful statement, too. not everything is fine. that is, to put it mildly. and this is another example. ah, when the desired is presented as really. that is, i think that the military expert could just comment much more well what is happening there, if something is clear to you from this rather small piece, here the oil painting is called rooks flew 125 rooks. this is a pair of stormtroopers. e, performs a u-turn with access to the combat course. really, really uh su-25 outside on donetsk they are just flying now at positions to strike at ukrainian militants, who daily, as we remember , are shelling residential quarters of the city of donetsk and

vitaly viktorovich kiselyov , assistant minister of the ministry of internal affairs of the lpr, is in touch with us now. vitaly viktorovich is fiery as always. greetings to you and glad to see you in our studio good afternoon. i tell us, please, about this fake, which was published by goncharenko yes, and what is actually happening on the video. you know this abomination by name goncharenko we are very well. known. unfortunately in the first place. he is known for the fact that on may 2, 2014 in odessa, he uh over the burnt bodies, uh, ordinary people of civilians, who uh, were killed forcibly killed, he took selfies there and screamed, because the fried meat was serov and so on and so on. here is an abomination. eh, there's no other way to call it. she hyped. even now chaos is necessary as the crown of khatyn scoffed at ours over our great patriotic war over history. eh, and for them it is considered normal. he is in europe

now it is precisely such politicians that are not people. they seem to be needed there. in high esteem, they are very well funded by ngos, they arrive in absolutely all structures. and they can move around and they were given such carte blanche to tell, all the dirty tricks. i believe that this is the world. here we will catch sooner or later, anyway, and she will be responsible and not only for these fakes, but also for the crimes that he committed and participated directly in them, we will never forget the second odessa all those who came to donbass committed the crime, and we will find those who committed a crime on the territory of ukraine, for us it is a debt of honor and these are very correct words. please tell us what is happening in donetsk now. we are always interested in this issue and how things are now. eh, our heroes are brave. uh, more and more, practically populated areas are being taken without, uh, much resistance. well resistance. what

fascist wants to surrender. uh, after all, uh, by and large, their officers today are throwing themselves. why is this happening? why is this happening? that psychologically they have already been destroyed, everything that surrounded them has been destroyed, and now, uh, what is happening in the donbass is a break in the donbass, a break in, uh, the kiev pound, a break in the sun. well, our aviation will say it again, these are jewelers with a capital letter, entering the quarters. i have repeatedly spoken about this destroying equipment and returning. this is how the pairs are beautiful in themselves and in a permanent place of deployment. thanks a lot. uh, all the best to you as soon as possible victory victory on a have you heard that the german journalist alina lip going to be sentenced in germany to three years in prison? yes, of course, this applies to all channels, not

just ours, and this is once again surprising how developed freedom of speech is in europe and the european union. well, let's remind our viewers, let's watch the video. my name is alina or i am a freelance german journalist. i am here in donetsk and the weather here is covering the situation in the donbass for this german authorities. they started harassing me, first they deleted my content on the internet, then they closed my bank account, they closed the bank account of my father as well. and yesterday i i received documents that a criminal case was even opened against me. germany considers the special operation in ukraine already a crime, and for its support they give 3 years in prison, firstly, they are persecuting me because i published a post on my telegram channel on february 24, where i said that the day of ocification had begun. and that the population of donbass

supports this decision of russia and that ukraine has been killing residents for several years. and secondly, i am persecuted by the fact that on march 12 i published a video on my telegram channel, where i said that ukraine is carrying out genocide in donbas at the end of the document, by the way, they write. we're not inviting you to a hearing because that would harm the investigation. and it is strange that on this page. there is the letter z , which is also already banned in germany inside itself, of course, a very strange thing, but we recall that alina was just covering the events of the shelling of the market in donetsk, the shelling of the maternity hospital in donetsk, telling that this was the work of bandits from the apu. yes, i refute the false reports that these are supposedly strikes by the

russian side, you are now in germany for this threatens 3 years in prison and today alina is in touch with us. alina lip journalist from germany hello alina. hello studio. you know, i’ve been living in donetsk for half a year now, filming there, and talking to civilians, i offend the liberated territory. i’ll translate all this into german and, uh, i’m just spreading true information that is not in germany, because for 8 years they have n’t sent a single journalist from the official media to donbass, they, uh, are trying to threaten me so that i stop doing this. i don't the only case, that's from other countries. i also heard in european countries that they threaten journalists there. uh, well, i'm the first person, as far as i

know, against whom cases were opened even in the head. i don't know if it's legal, but it's obviously against free speech. and it's just no longer in the west, but i continue with my work. and you can't threaten me to stop doing it. it's just from the bottom of my heart and i continue to feed on this lamentable information. thank you very much raspberry. so fragile, yes beautiful girl and does such a serious and important work. if you have comments, then, of course, you can say something, anton, we see how western countries actually grind their own citizens for an alternative position, and what alina does, or, of course, deserves deep respect. and those who in their countries today under such enormous, but colossal

pressure, are trying to convey to their citizens, and an alternative position is trying to free them from this cocoon in which they are all there today are. i believe that for those who e would like to receive alternative information, and only not for you, they made these conclusions, but for you to draw conclusions yourself. this, maybe we really should think about how to make you pensions for the western audience, so that they can bypass western blocking to watch the same rutube, er, russian media a in order to receive an alternative position. this is very important indeed. we perfectly hear these words from our legislator, because this is really a problem. just really ripe, and here even the question is not about an alternative point of view. she doesn't have her own point of view. she tells the truth simply the truth on the basis of which people can uh and should draw their own conclusions, so here is your initiative. she is very much needed. it seems to me, yes, i say, a neat alternative position two positions, because i am for

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good luck, with whom, when and how much all the most important things in the program live healthy today on first this anti-fake program here we are fighting against fakes and disinformation today in our studio artyom kuritsyn expert social media analyst vladimir kuznetsov about journalist vovan and alexander atamonov military expert and armies specialist for the test. hello. thank you for being today came to us online in march. a video was circulated about supposedly rocket strikes on melitol. uh, let's look at this europe now needs to wake up to say, zelensky says, the largest nuclear plant in europe right now, russian tanks are shooting nuclear blocks. these are tanks equipped with thermal imagers. that is, they know where they are shooting. they were ready for this

guys. this one flew to melitopol in the private sector on glass fragments near household goods, komintern street. on glass fragments a bunch of houses, something tells me that on the street of the comintern they could only shoot with their own hands. for some reason, they are russian soldiers, because the comintern probably causes fierce irritation, like the whole of ukraine. yes, so you can immediately say that this is a fake. well, alexander. i see you want something about the end of a simple historical picture of a tank with the same thermal imager. these are probably thermal imagers. zelensky learned the buzzword thermal imager, armed with a cloud, so to speak. at, probably, which in a gun that's how he scored everything. i don't know why to tell. so he shot her specifically along the internet street. and this is where she got it. here is the result, everyone still survived, running around so to speak and saying, look, her tank flew in, shot with a thermal imager, it was nice the strength of a mare

or a drunken drug addict. everything from beginning to end. by the way, i have a close relationship with the people who are now introducing e. uh, experimentally, let's say a thermal imager in the russian army. by the way, this is the latest type of weaponry. sex target detection by infrared signature at a great distance from 10 or more kilometers, when it is possible to detect a body in a passive mode, that is, without irradiating it, but seeing from the change in ambient temperature that it flies, this or that object, by the way, is only in our experimental experience, so to say the option is still in e, it seems to be in france on the same aircraft carrier. they have one, so why , if in response these thermal imagers, which are a thermal imager this is completely pointless, by the way, rather, but some kind of system that is equipped with air defense systems, that is, anti-aircraft missile systems in order to to discover the target, and there is nothing to comment on the point of view of point o. we recaptured the language, they say, that is, it is an ancient rocket. this is the deadly precision part of them they explode because their service life is exhausted. the whole time you, so to speak, expiration date, natural

tanks do not shoot a dot. here it is ready-made, and missiles up to 125 km. we use the entire version of the scander as a cruise missile from the kandyra from kadyrov, and so on, a lot of what we use, but not a point about this is nonsense, close poverty. everything was funny and so many dishes did not die. yes, in the private sector, it is along komintern street. in my opinion, they are subject to and here i ask you to pause the highest exceptional measure of punishment, because the point fair point this is a precision weapon. i said and i repeat, she completely corrects. e its flight trajectory and is aimed at specific objects of chance. it 's not here that they are beating older buildings. come on, here, we are just now seeing, uh, cadres of the ministry of defense. just those very points ua. they give us they show the very point u which is in melitopol yes, we can see the number, which means we can restore whose point u is this where did it come from? what military unit? she stood all these data always about the russian side

shows all this openly. that's when you watch the ukrainian version. there, numbers appear in the forefront, and later they are diligently blurred everywhere so that they cannot be seen. let's return to our reality from zelensky's reality, we know. now we are fine that melitopol has already been liberated and is under control. of our troops and the troops of the union republics, and foreign journalists are coming there more and more often. here you are a lot. unfortunately, we talk badly about them and some of them most deserve it, but there are people who really keep, uh, the annals of an objective picture of what is happening there and let's look at the work of one dutch journalist who debunks fakes and ukrainian propaganda . currently. uh, russian troops entered the city without causing any harm or damage to civilian buildings and institutions, the ukrainian army dropped a heavy bomb on civilian houses on february 28. when the operation began and destroyed cars at home and injured some civilians, this is a

refutation of those words of zelensky sonya van nende, a journalist from holland is now in touch with us. hello welcome you. hello. good morning, tell me at what point did you decide to go at all. uh, uh, in this situation, yes, and do what to tell people the truth and debunk fakes. i went from a group of journalists. main places with russian army melitopol and other cities, my task as a journalist is to tell the truth, because there is a lot of fake news in the western media, many western news did not write about what is actually true, and i decided that my task was to tell the truth to people, but did you get approval? here, for example, from your dutch leadership, have your notes been printed? have your stories come out? was it okay? independent journalist, i write for several newspapers for many

news sites. i can write what i want often my notes were ignored by the usual ones, but now i see that people have woken up and paid attention to what i write from these places. and now i think everything is going in the right direction. that is, the situation is changing, i understand correctly. at first it was hushed up. this is denial. in the classroom now more and more people are trying to talk about this truth thanks to the work of people like you and people are beginning to hear this truth, it is. i hope that this trend will also be in germany, but i see this trend in holland and in the race-speaking parts of belgium have more and more alternative media now, especially against the backdrop of a special operation against the background of the conflict, the number of alternative media is growing and i write for them every day and i believe that this trend will

improve. tell us about your feelings from the meeting with the russian military, how they treated you and it is interesting how the residents of the liberated territories meet the russian military. what mood they have i must say. i traveled a lot with them on buses. they are very kind, they are polite also many people with whom i spoke in melitopol in mariupol and in other cities. they tell me that they are satisfied with the presence of the russians in the donbass, they feel protected. they say that the russians are delivering humanitarian aid to the residents of these cities feel relieved. i would like to ask you, if you have something to say to our russian viewers, then do it. now. i'm from holland i'm ashamed of my

country. what is happening in western europe i’m talking about, specifically about my side of russia, they denigrate very a lot of misinformation, what is happening snakes what the government stands for here i live and i see the truth. it is completely different from what western news agencies report. i stand for the truth, and the truth will come out, people will know the truth, the special operation was important last week. i received information about the priest of the city of bucci. he told me that in the west they say that there were bombardments from russia that people were killed this priest says that on the thirtieth of march the russian forces left bullish, and only then ukrainian

troops came into the storm, and that's it. this happened now 3,000 people remained in the bucha. they are silent. they are afraid to speak, but i think that they will stop being afraid and start talking about what happened then, thank you for leading this fight. all the best to you , goodbye, move on to the next fake. let's break it down again and it is claimed that russia is allegedly using banned cluster munitions. writes about it, the new york times. let's look at this article scale, proof collected and cataloged times. shows that russia's use of this type of weapon was not limited or random; in fact, it formed the basis of the country's military strategy. since the beginning of the invasion, from among the weapons identified by the times, more than 210 types of weapons have been banned by international, a treaties. well, come on, vladimir, i have you, how do you generally feel about foreigners?