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of individual countries or even some blocks for the g20 summit to be held in bali in november. in the fourth security, as the chairman of the g20, indonesia wants to remove them, it can be a partial lifting of anti-russian sanctions, which are valid, and a large number of noble people earn on the bypass mechanism, who then do not allow these sanctions to be removed for decades or a stone, because if sanctions are with him and my money is gone. hence, no one these sanctions will not be lifted. and, of course, this applies to ukrainian grain. some observers, let's say, yes, er, have reasonable doubts about what else there is, what to export, and there would be another country. i would say that this is speculation, but the fact is that the mechanism really works in ukraine. so if there is. that is, to sell one grain four times, then it will be sold four times, and then to the question, where is the grain, when you already answered that there is no grain in the state reserve, because the

mice ate several million tons, but here you have to dump the car. here it is russia where the grains are. russia interferes with exporting russia does not interfere with transporting grain, while it interfered. it has rotted, so there is no more grain. well, finally, one more moment back in the sixteenth year, when there were no hostilities, no one blocked the ports. they didn't mined. there were no problems at all . ukraine was unable to fulfill its grain obligations, and then, by the way, many ukrainian grain importers switched to russia ; the reason ukrainian roads, internal highway railways came to such a state in 2 years after the coup from the fourteenth to the sixteenth e that they simply could not deliver the healers inside the country, uh, enough grain to the ports. that is, it turned out to be inside the country, it could not simply be physically removed, so i, frankly, would not particularly hope for ukraine, as for a special supplier there. most importantly, even the western

estimate of how much grain should be removed from ukraine they fluctuate in the tens of millions of tons, that is, approximately twice the estimate fluctuates between, in my opinion, twenty and forty millions. means these very tone of grain. well , you know, even if you're exactly between twenty and six, because the western media says that, uh, blocked, supposedly blocked 20 million, but the united states department of agriculture says the figure is six. it is taken. this is three times. yes, so here, that is, not in essence with you know. how much grain they want to bring there by and large. well, the truth is, uh, you can do it. the thing is, they want to bring the whole lake out. well, that is, 6 million. maybe they want to withdraw it for a contract, just in case, and that’s all, because tomorrow there will be no ukraine. why leave something there? so, well, it's so to speak, our conjectures are our assumptions. in fact, they themselves cannot determine the exact figure. therefore, in such conditions, hope that ukraine will be able

to deprive or there the export of grain from ukraine will be able to solve global food security. but this is at least not self-respecting. well, what you said confirms, in fact, the russian theses that the problem is ukrainian grain, but artificially inflated, and at today's meeting. i am sure that the presidents of russia and indonesia agreed. how to reliably supply russian grain, and indonesia, which is also one of the key importers of e, grain in the world. well, of course, not everyone agrees with a multipolar world, and, first of all, with the formation of a polycentric world order. disagree, the united states and its allies, which are desperately fighting to maintain their primacy. or maybe even for an attempt to restore its mining in international relations, and vladimir putin spoke very clearly about this again today in the foreign intelligence service. listen, the west is trying to

ignore the reality that is uncomfortable for itself, the formation of a multipolar world order, of course, completely ignore these objective trends. of course, they cannot, but in their practical policy they are guided by one goal by any means to maintain its dominance such dogmatism the burden of the past unwillingness to face the truth inevitably increases the risk of further ill-conceived impulsive actions on the part of the west and to try to regain its global leadership, uh, is the uh nato summit in madrid which ended today. and at this summit, several important decisions, first was adopted. new strategy.

the concept and where russia is proclaimed the most significant and direct threat to nato's security, china is proclaimed a systemic competitor, and as a result, this itself was announced as a significant increase in the american military presence. e in europe is also about a significant buildup of rapid reaction forces in the countries of central and eastern europe, they will not be present there on a permanent basis, but nevertheless, the entire infrastructure and storage facilities, headquarters and heavy weapons are also being created. uh, will be based, and there we are talking about three hundred military personnel and related weapons that will serve these 300,000 military personnel. and, of course, another very important decision of the summit. uh, sweden and finland received an invitation to nato, so the summit has passed. yes , now a question. what's next? what policy will nato and the collective west now have? introduce in

relation to russia in general and in relation to the ukrainian conflict in particular, and there are several opinions on this matter. yes, and in particular, a very authoritative american scientist charles kapchin, uh, senior fellow at the council on foreign relations, and in the past, a senior member of the us national security council under the administration of barack obama. before that, under the administration of beat clinton, he believes that it is after nato itself that nato will begin to have difficult times. and taking into account the difficulties and risks that nato will face, and, according to the captchina, it will have to change its policy towards russia the meetings in madrid are only the beginning of the search for their solutions . the topic of the war in ukraine will, of course, become the dominant one, but the conversation will be focused.

on the simplest part of getting more weapons to the front line, but it is also important for nato to address the difficult question of when and how to connect the flow of weapons with a diplomatic strategy for a ceasefire and subsequent negotiations over territory. this step must be taken in order not only to end death and destruction, but also to limit the economic consequences of war, which can threaten the atlantic alliance from within, undermining solidarity and weakening the democratic foundations. from the west, the conflict in ukraine also poses a number of additional challenges for nato to manage the future expansion of europe's growing geopolitical aspirations and build a trans-atlantic architecture capable of addressing the increasingly diverse challenges facing the west. well, uh, we see that captcha, who looks to the future. yes, it raises more long-term and prospective questions. he says that those risks, challenges and costs that

western countries face from the inside from the outside will require changes, and politicians in the first place, and pressure on ukraine towards negotiations with russia or they petrovich do you think they will listen to such advice, you know , will be on the face and now, contradictory , firstly, to ensure the dominance that this task is set by the united states of america before europe, they cannot ensure their american dominance without leading russia out of e. bring russia to the third bit e, the state. well, they can not do any dominance. they already understand with such a policy with such a president in russia, well, it will not work. it is necessary to put russia out of the brackets, it is necessary to put pressure on it with the help of ukraine with the help of other european countries, and so on. but quite rightly, this policy will cause a lot of contradictions

within the bloc within the ally and the united states itself, because the burden will be huge risks, there will not be very big results. well, here's how they are now supplied, they are supplied not only with weapons , intelligence supplies, electronic intelligence works. almost everything is given to nato, especially the united states is at war. they participate in the war, but there are no regular units, but there is no result. and this result will be postponed all the time postponed postponed, and the load of risks will increase and will really get up. i just a can try to come to an agreement and at first the european countries will squeak about it, because they themselves very actively squeaked nato there. yes , they stopped squeaking and began to growl. so this is the situation on the one hand. hurray forward, and with the other side. eh, look around, there seems to be no one there already. and what to do and this american

explorer. yes, he is absolutely right that e with all desire. eh, it cannot but coincide with reality and this will have to be faced. here is the captcha, it seems to me that it is not right in the forecast of the policy of the west, but in the forecast of precisely those problems that the west will face, and it is already facing with them . yes? note. yes , italian prime ministers mario draghi. he was even forced to leave the nato summit earlier because that he has a government crisis in his country, and government crises. because of what, because of the fact that part of the party, part of the government coalition of the movement five do not agree with the supply of heavy weapons to ukraine, plus the people are against the increase in energy prices in the united states, midterm elections are on the nose, yes, which the democratic party must lose miserably maybe even worse than she lost them

historic largest number of seats, and in the house of representatives, kapchan writes. why, if the policy does not change, then donald trump will come again, there will again be right-wing populists in europe, there are marin lepen, matteo salvini, and so on and so forth. and then yes, ukraine will still suffer a heavy defeat, but, despite all these warnings at the official level , so far, the policy has not changed. yes and that's what we hear from the leaders now the state on e, following the results of the nato summit, the president of the united states stated that the united states would help ukraine as much as needed to ensure that it was not defeated by russia . true, he made a deal, right? at first he said that in order for ukraine not to defeat itself, then he corrected himself. listen to how it is, how it was. we will support ukraine and all allies will support ukraine we will not allow the defeat of ukraine we will not allow ukraine to defeat

ukraine oh no, we will not allow russia to defeat ukraine well, the question is again in definition, yes, what does that mean in practice? yes, so that russia does not defeat ukraine, boris went even further according to tradition. and if the united states shows at least some strategic intelligence, then the uk today is simply, but a model of irresponsibility. yes, boris johnson said that it would be a cruel mistake to accept peace imposed on russia. and therefore, nato countries should help ukraine win and make putin lose the war, said boris johnson i quote the realistic complete expulsion of russian troops from the territory of ukraine, ivan alekseevich, here, and those costs that charles kapchin writes about and the risks they just haven’t grown yet. yes, they have not yet

reached a level at which the west would be forced to change its policy, or, as they hint. uh, biden and some other western leaders, even despite all the costs. even despite oil prices. even though there, despite the exhaustion of military resources, it is still a war to the bitter end. how do you think? i am the short answer to your question, what is your second option - they, uh, but i would clarify not not a war to the bitter end, but they will bend their line. it is clear that no one in the west believes in any kind of victory. and here is the statement that ukraine can liberate some territories there, it is clear that this is just rhetoric, that is, from my point of view. here is an eclipse such as it was a month and a half ago,

when there really was in the west, many thought, and at the official level at the expert level, that the russian special military operation could go the wrong way, that indeed the ukrainian armed forces can demonstrate something very impressive on the battlefield. and uh, it’s not like defending the territory, it’s not even here to expand the territory that they don’t control here. there's been an eclipse for a while, but now it's gone. everyone sees all the realities, but they will still persist in their policy. and we know very well that, in principle, western countries, and it is the americans and the british. and very easily can change their course. here in america there are the expression to change shoes in the air, which just symbolizes the fact that at the moment you changed everything and left from a different position. indeed, they can do this repeatedly,

everyone who works with them on a practical level has come across this. and so when we see that they understand the dead ends, they understand that their line does not work at the same time. we see a lot of statements inside these countries that let's look for some other options. this prompts us to think. what, well, that means they will change their shoes, but in this case we observe something that no, they are not ready to change. uh change your position. they will persist. what is now being calculated to the end. eh, not entirely clear. apparently, the calculation is being made on the fact that but to demonstrate, in order to demonstrate to russia that it cannot achieve its goals, and therefore here is the key thesis that western leaders are moving against the backdrop of against the backdrop of this nato summit, uh, in madrid

- it's that russia wanted less nato at its borders, and now it gets more nato at its own borders, because sweden entered finland because they are building up, uh, so these rapid reaction forces in eastern europe, that is , you understand, almost like that. eh, some. e child that's how you wanted it. but we will definitely do the opposite for you. here is the desire to demonstrate this name will freeze my ears. yes, that's something like this, well, in this case, the stakes are much higher. yes, that is, because of one's own ego and the inability to admit one's own mistakes, but let's go all the way to nuclear war, but hmm everyone thinks, okay, let's stop half a step away from her , and i think the key point here is what was said in laina's speech. vladimirovich putin, two

seemingly very close terms were mentioned, but one refers to us, and the other refers to, uh, to western countries, they refer to us that we want to be independent and unique, but they want to dominate and exclusivity, so that they have here uniqueness and exclusivity. it would seem that. uh, there is something in common, but in fact it is fundamental a fundamental difference, because exclusivity means that it is better than others and i should have more rights than others i should impose on others and uniqueness. it is simply the awareness of its e specificity. and this, uh, is that you realize and appreciate what you are and do not want to, but to change. for the sake of someone, we approached the year, after all, this is not a confrontation in the whole conflict. there is this very fundamental ideological element. he 's got interests there. there are emotions. there is psychology. there are

personality factors, but there is this one a fundamental worldview, but a component and it does not allow the west to change its position even when all practical considerations are already in favor of this, therefore, from my point of view. you rightly noted that it is the elected companies that will change the policy, and not the western officials who are acting now. it seems to me that you, ivan alekseevich , noted a very fundamental thing about the fundamental fundamentals of different philosophies of different philosophies of approach, in general, to the arrangement of the world to international relations. and in this really the essence of the current conflict, yes. eh, when e russia china brix countries stand for diversity, polycentrism, respect for each other's differences, tolerance, freedom, yes, the freedom

to determine each other's development models, and on the other hand, this is the idea of ​​exclusivity. yes, and universalism. by the way, exclusivity universalism - these are the two main pillars of the american ideology. and this conflict is the conflict of these two philosophies. it is more, uh, fundamental even than the past cold war, because that the past cold war was ideological . there, on the one hand, there was communism, on the other hand, there was capitalism, and we thought that if we discard the planned economy and become a market economy, then everything will normalize and we will all merge, so to speak, in ecstasy and we will cooperate. but no, yes, the problem is much deeper than problems. that's it, eh. what, what you have outlined we will continue to talk about the prospects, er, and russian western relations and chinese western relations in a few moments. this is a map of the routes to

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profitably. cops of a-a anti-russian policy, the west will use after the nato summit and in the short and medium term perspective, one must understand that a hybrid war. uh, what is happening is taking place now uh between russia and the west. she will continue. it is of a long-term nature, it will be the instruments of this policy that will change, and the essence of the meaning of this policy is the goal of this policy, yes, which is really to weaken russia as much as possible by exhausting it, and thus , the consolidation of the west on an anti-russian basis, and in the long term. even attempts to restore western leadership are politics

will remain unchanged for a very, very long time, and here is a very vivid illustration of this thesis. a recent speech by the head of the british army, general patrick sanders. listen, putin's declared intent to restore the lands of historical russia makes any respite temporary, and the approaching threat even more acute, in order to succeed, the british army, along with our allies and nato partners, must be brought to a state of high alert. we must meet from the very beginning force by force and be ready to fight for nato territory, we do not know how the war in ukraine will end, but in most scenarios, russia will be an even greater threat to european security after ukraine than it was before, and nikolay yuryevich and, accordingly, us really. uh, you need to prepare for the fact that this is a hybrid war. she for a long time she is for several decades. i don't know about decades. well, what are these years? it seems

pretty obvious to me, because uh, the defeat that ukraine is suffering is also a defeat. western prestige is also the defeat of nato. prestige is also the defeat of western solidarity, in fact, because there was no such solidarity for a long time. here she was revealed. it did not lead to the result that was expected, of course, such things are not forgiven. a and uh, of course they are planning uh, long-term uh, confrontation in various forms and maybe also in part, so there is talk about diplomacy, because there may be some idea of ​​temporarily freezing the conflict in

ukraine in order to to create more favorable conditions. here is a question for our diplomacy on this occasion and for the conditions that will be advanced from our side. this is uh. i think that it can be compared with what was in europe during the cold war era. although it is appropriate to ask how complete this comparison is, because the ideological confrontation. the west, of course , is trying to give this the appearance of an ideological confrontation. but this is far from being convincing, these attempts are far from being convincing, as it was in the case. in the soviet union e. well, in that including because let's call a thing by its proper name, yes, and the ideologization of russian foreign and domestic policy. and again, all the same, the sixty -fifties-sixties-seventies. it's a different

western europe. here, uh, an exceptionally interesting question. uh, what do they expect in the long term, uh, from an economic point of view, because if a western european industry goes bankrupt due to high energy prices, which cannot be ruled out unless there is some kind of energy restructuring of some kind of energy, oh, which has been spoken in the west for many years, apparently, they are seriously counting on it, uh, this is still not a picture, but a relatively poor and autocratic soviet union on the one hand and, uh, the most dynamic industrial economies on the other hand. this will be a much more complex picture. and here, after all, it seems to me, the problem is in their inability it is the inability of unwillingness not the ability to

look at things. if uh from time to time, here is the last case, as i understand it, this is france from time to time appear. how does one appear information in the negotiations that were conducted with russia by western leaders with russia before the start of the social military operation and after all, they really did not understand our arguments. they really didn't want to talk about them from that point of view. they can write the word diplomacy as much as they like, but when it comes to some specifics, at best, they offer to return to the minsk agreements to implement them, which is hardly realistic, but they, uh, have. uh, some idea that we need to agree on something, at least temporarily, but it seems, that there is no idea how exactly to negotiate, and on what conditions and what they are ready for. here it seems to me on the one hand. ah, the image of

russia as an enemy is a very convenient construction, which is reminiscent of the cold war, which allows them to consolidate, but on the other hand. you are absolutely right that, and above all, that the global situation has fundamentally changed and this will not be a repeat of the past cold war. yes, in the last cold war there was the west against the soviet union, and the rest of the world did not play big, did not have great subjectivity and was an arena. e this fight. today this is absolutely not the case today, not western countries, not only china which itself is an adversary, but the collective west and india brazil, they are full-fledged entities that play a very important role in international relations. and of course. in this context, reproduce the model of global confrontation. here is to divide, dismember , polarize the world into two opposing groups. as they try, the united states with its rhetoric of democracy against autocracy will not work, in

principle. but uh, we're just talking. about china one of the main decisions, and i must say innovative decisions. uh, nato itself reflects the changes that are taking place in the world. this is that nato has proclaimed china as, if not an adversary, then a systemic challenge that threatens the interests, values ​​and security of nato countries - this is spelled out in the strategic concept and, of course, nato will try to intensify cooperation with asian countries, primarily allies of the united states with those countries, which the united states is trying to use as a tool to contain china and it is no coincidence that the leaders of japan, australia, new zealand and, uh, south korea, attended the summit in madrid. that is, nato is turning into such a global, or something, or an instrument of global confrontation. and what's more, it's very important. it seems to me that this is what is in the

strategic concept as a challenge. for nato, not only russia china is emphasized separately, but russian-chinese partnership. here and here, how uh reacted to all these theses official beijing listen to the statement of the official representative of the chinese kind. nope is a global challenge to peace and stability. the northern alliance claims to be a defensive organization, but in fact continues to spread its influence to new regions everywhere, unleashing wars on nato's hands stained with blood. the peoples of the world, the chinese people will not forget that 23 years ago, nato, led by the united states, committed the crime of blowing up, in fact, china. and now nato has extended its tentacles. to the asia-pacific in an attempt to export here the cold war mentality and the bloc of its confrontation vasily borevich, but firstly, and how closely, in your opinion, will

the cooperation of the asian allies of the united states with nato to contain china and secondly, how china will react to e, the new strategic concept of nato whether this leads to even more, uh, even closer cooperation with russia maybe china will be more aggressive . q in the pacific region, what do you think, well, as a matter of fact, the movement european nato countries in the direction of asia er, the revitalization of their military role there began. uh, even before 2014, the leaders in this matter were great britain and france. great britain already then began to intensify cooperation with japan , exchange of intelligence data, joint exercises. ships were sent to the region. uh, gradually the europeans began to develop their position on, uh, regional issues such as the problems of the south china sea, and uh, it caused

surprise then when i spoke with them, why bother in the problems of the asia-pacific region, which have no solution, they spoke quite honestly there, in particular the british, that it is necessary to increase their role in us relations to show their importance of usefulness. e is here such a line in the future, and the british played by apparently. in any case, they are blamed. in this periodically, the chinese side played an important role in the riots in hong kong at 2,000 uh in 2019. and now everything, uh, has already come to such a formalization of the documentary role of nato in asia, uh, from the point of view real military capabilities. ah, european countries. nato has little to contribute there. eh, that's just an indicator of the balance of power that has changed in the world. it consists in the fact that great britain and france are the two largest e european

nato countries from a military point of view. by most indicators, if you do not take nuclear weapons from the point of view of the possibility of the fleet, they are much lower than japan. yes, and in some respects lower than south korea. and with china. they are generally different. entire categories, but political moments are important here, firstly, the americans want to use nato as a model for asia, they have a system of bilateral alliances there, which are not very effective , and between different us allies, e.g., disagreements and scandals periodically flare up. as it happened some time ago between japan and south korea . but this system is supposed to be replaced by some kind of single such network, so the americans are moving in this direction. they are trying to come up with some new initiatives to distinguish the

situation in asia, but from the relationship between nato and russia and from the relationship between nato and the soviet union e. there is a very large one. first of all, this is the colossal role of the chinese economy. in the soviet union, he was generally the author of kitchin, he had connections, mainly within the framework of the warsaw pact social. to russia it already has some kind of global influence. we see that the sanctions caused a certain shock. e for the european economy. yes, and some kind of global slowdown. e. well, china is the world's first economy in terms of foreign trade in terms of nominal gdp and the second in terms of real gdp in terms of purchasing power parity. the first for most countries, including the entire eu combined. china - this is a major trading partner more important than the us is an important source of investment, that is, there is a level. dependence on the other and all

parties understand this very well, that is, they will simply have to act more carefully with regard to china because of this, and this uh factor is the factor that with a change in uh with a change in the composition of the leadership. uh, western countries during the elections , political positions can seriously change here it is even more important for china, simply because there is a lot of money at stake. uh, there in america it was possible to form a certain consensus that the chinese should be crushed in every possible way and tightly restrained in europe it does not exist. there are some shifts that it would be necessary to somehow stand in solidarity with the united states, but uh, there are countries within nato that are considered to be strongholds for china that destroyed attempts. there, the european union should form a unified position on the south china sea. this is, for example, hungary and greece, which simply

went into conflict with everyone there. in past years and hmm, they called there, they went to a direct scandal, at some point it seemed that italy, too, would take such positions, uh, would stand up. well, the situation has somehow changed, but this is a huge pressure from chinese money and the chinese market. it won't disappear. well, really. this is very correct and , uh, i think the argument and the position of south korea here is very revealing, which is invited, which participated in the nato summit but constantly emphasizes that it does not participate in anti-chinese campaigns. what about european countries? yes indeed, china is the main trading partner of the european union today, but, uh, in europe itself, uh, the opinion is heard, uh, quite often. and what, and european-chinese relations, nevertheless deteriorate. yes, uh, for example,

analysts. consulting companies green mental, which is headed by the notorious niall ferguson , a very famous british historian and, uh, internationalist, write in the pages of foreign policy magazine that the european union's relations with china have entered an irreversible degradation, listen russia's invasion of ukraine has driven a wedge between the european union and china and for the first time in the history of their relationship, brussels is ready to go on the offensive, the world's second and third largest economies have been in conflict since march 2021, when the european parliament suspended the ratification of a comprehensive investment agreement due to for human rights issues, but since russian troops entered ukraine on february 24, relations have soured and there seems to be little chance of any reconciliation vasily borevich. you agree with this? well, first of all, there is just a factual inaccuracy. ah, the european parliament. suspended ratification not because of problems with

human rights. he suspended ratification in exchange in response to the introduction by the chinese. e large-scale sanctions against a number of members of the european parliament. but the chinese imposed these sanctions. er, for the fact that they made a decision there, directed against china in connection with the events in xinjiang, that is, here, e, it is an indicator that the chinese consider it possible to act quite aggressively in europe. e for myself. e relationship really will gradually degrade, because uh, these are the same structural reasons that caused the decline of, uh, chinese american relations. they are true for europe, that is, it is based on the chinese model, the economic desire of the chinese to make a breakthrough. eh, in such a production chain, to become, like japan in south korea, a country that produces its own high-tech under

its own brands based on its own developments and redistribute the market at some point. in general, they successfully did this actively, buying up european technology assets and old european brands. therefore, yes, they have already begun to be accepted there in the seventeenth year. about chinese trade practices that abuse freedom of trade, a monitoring system for chinese investments was introduced and a movement began the same as in the united states to gradually push the chinese away, but since there is no single decision-making center in europe, and chinese money plays a role. well, everything can't move fast there.