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and start your game. good evening, the big game is on the air today , president vladimir putin met with defense minister sergei shoigu, who yesterday reported on the complete liberation of the territory of the lugansk people's republic. and today, president putin

signed a decree conferring the title of hero of russia on major general abichev and colonel general lapin , and also gave an order on the further course of the special operation in ukraine, and even today vladimir putin did not congratulate his american colleague joe biden on independence day, which today is celebrated in the united states although independence day is the main american national holiday. eh, i'll remind you. that it was on this day that the second continental congress was standing for a congress of deputies from 13 and then still british colonies, having gathered in philadelphia, that in the state of pennsylvania, and signed the declaration of independence , so, despite the fact that these are heads. holiday in the united states today it is celebrated very modestly, and this is no coincidence, but 4 months before the midterm congressional elections in the united the united states has the highest inflation in 40 years and at the same time the threat of an economic recession as a result of the popularity of joe biden, and with

it the democratic party , is plummeting like this. run for a second term, and let me remind you that biden constantly declares his desire to run for office and 45, and the percentage of respondents called biden bad president the reason for this is precisely the internal situation in the united states although the biden administration. it seems that only 8% of americans managed to enlist the rhetorical support of other western countries in opposing russia and achieved at recent summits and the g7 and at the demonstration, however, only a demonstration of the unity of the west against russia, only 8% of americans, according to another opinion poll, consider the main priority of the united states to ensure the defeat of russia in ukraine only 8% while 38% consider the most important

inflation problem. and now about how the domestic political situation in the united states will develop, how it will affect their foreign policy, including with regard to russia, we will talk today with the president of the center of national interests, dmitry sals, who has just returned from washington and uh, the former director of the russian institute for strategic studies, lieutenant general. e, leonid petrovich reshetnikov. and dmitry but allow me the first question. i will ask you. here, and in moscow, the situation that has now developed for biden administration. it seems to be very dead-end, because on the one hand, in order to somehow alleviate, uh, inside the economic situation, it is necessary to remove or reduce sanctions against russia, this is quite obvious, but the biden administration cannot do this, because in this case it will demonstrate weakness. and it will be used by the republicans again. uh, against

her, it turns out that biden can only make very empty statements like he did recently, and on twitter, e wrote that here he is encourages, and the owners of gas stations just to lower the price of gasoline. so, take it from barakhta bay and lower the price of gasoline, yes, or try to switch the arrows to e, russia, which is also very inefficient, as we see, right? here, this is how the situation looks from moscow and how it looks from the tone, and dimitri washington it looks like uh, so this is another of the many holidays in the number of these holidays in america is constantly growing, because every ethnicity stupidly wants his own holiday, because what uh if let's say uh lesbians, gays will not have their own holiday, then they will feel that they are not appreciated and respected enough, and therefore the number of holidays already

confuses people. which of them are really important, but which are just a day off the second. and? well, the structure of america has changed a lot and an increasing number of people live in the united states well , in general, they don’t feel like americans and not only don’t they feel, because they themselves are emigrants, but because they live in places where there are large concentrations immigrants where they live their lives. and where, uh, they speak their own language and, in general, here with the american tradition with the american history of their small ones, which connects and formally, of course, all immigrants should know minimally at least american history, because in order to pass citizenship there is some kind of test. well, in general, as i understand it, now this test is carried out very formally. many people. they just

don't even speak the language enough to understand what they're being asked. well, in general, if they are especially, uh, belong to minorities, they are like as a rule, they get away with it and therefore it is a holiday for them, but understand, well, i don’t understand, maybe they heard somewhere that there was some kind of philadelphia convention but it’s not part of their own tradition. it's not something they're proud of. but then, as you rightly said in america, it 's hard times, and here's one thing that immediately draws attention, when you come, uh, from washington to moscow, how much more dynamic life is in moscow, how much more cafes and restaurants are filled. how many more people are on the boulevards? how many more people, if you want to laugh, smile, you know your time america differed from the soviet union, among other things, in that in america people constantly smiled, and here leonid

excuse me, both would have been soviet people at one time. well, in general, we were expected to have such a serious expression on our faces, all the foreigners asked why you laugh so rarely? it was in soviet times. why are you all so serious and sad? well, now exactly the opposite, a and uh does not become more difficult. i do not want exaggerate, and i hear that people are especially hungry. uh, for someone to die from lack of medicine. at least to die in large numbers. well, uh, there are food shortages in many stores, and the choice has narrowed considerably, uh, a small village, uh, i technically live. i live at a distance from her. well , how i belong there, we have one gas station, uh, gas was $4 a gallon a few months ago. now he is six. you understand, this is already a serious thing and uh

on average, if the car is what is called a comfortable business class, there will be 21 columns, that is, to fill it, a is already required. think in general, a fairly serious amount for $ 120. it's for a lot of people who have to work a lot, especially where i live there are a lot of farmers. they travel long distances. for them. it's a very real ahh, heavy expense. and why this is happening is not clear to people. he says that putin is to blame for everything, let's listen. we will support ukraine for as long as it takes, we will not allow the defeat of ukraine as the main reason. why the price of gas has risen is russia russia, why the food crisis has appeared from russia in the first place, to put it

mildly, is not entirely true. here, let's pretend for a second that biden is right. then you expect him to explain to the american voter. and why is ukraine so important to the united states? why are these sacrifices justified? this has never been explained. this is how it is mentioned that today ukraine tomorrow, maybe anyone, that the free world, that democracy is under threat. well, you know, for most people, these are general and basically empty words, and therefore it is paradoxical, but the fact that when biden gives this as an explanation for american domestic economic difficulties, he does not help himself, he puts himself objectively at risk , he raises questions. and why is he doing what he

is doing in ukraine and especially, uh, dmitry especially now, because it used to be said that the ukrainian army wins victory after victory. what russian retreat, what to fight? they don't know how ukrainians are heroes, they are inferior to giant russia in absolutely everything, and now they are winning such victories now, when the russian army is advancing. this is already recognized by almost everyone, then questions arise. and what, maybe russia is not so weak, maybe you won’t end this war of the american victory so quickly, and now they ask a question. and how to get out of this situation, and what does his closest advisers say about this. they say

that we will fight to the bitter end. and where is victory, how to define it, it will decide zelensky, that is, the american voter must make real sacrifices. and when and how this will stop will be decided by zelensky, but you won’t be surprised that this, as a rule, does not suit the american voter very much. and when it happens. as you rightly said on the eve of the midterm elections, which cost everything in november , this situation. well, let's just say it helps me. dmitry, i fully agree with your analysis. but really, here, on the one hand, a parallel suggests itself, uh, with the american president bush senior eh, but this parallel is wrong. i 'll explain. now why because president bush sr. declared the victory of the united states in the cold war, but lost the presidential election in 1994 with a bang, won them

then young senator bill clinton, who was going under the withdrawal. e, for the elections under the slogan the whole body in the economy is a fool, and these yes, and the laurels of the winner in the cold war, the laurels of the winner of iraq in the first gulf war, bush did not help win the presidential election, but nevertheless he was foreign policy winner, and in this case, the buydens is facing a much worse, simply incomparably worse economic situation within the united states than the one that was in the ninety-second year, and at the end of reagan america. and secondly, he is also suffering a serious international defeat, because that the only foreign policy success that he has so far is yes, and with some reservations, he can write down his asset. this is the consolidation of the collective west around itself and that's it. and then you rightly said

ukraine is losing and this defeat is absolutely inevitable and obvious, at least in moscow no one has any doubts. what is happening in america so far, but in america it is still arising, but, nevertheless, uh, the liberation of the entire territory of the lugansk people's republic it seems to me that it will become another illustration. yes, that, well, it's quite obvious. as the situation develops, as they say, on the ground , the biden administration also failed to achieve support from the outside, and not from the western world. yes, and it's a big defeat biden administration, because it was originally said that we would rally the whole world around russia and that anti-russian sanctions would work if we join them , the vast majority of humanity did not do this. anti-russian sanctions that were introduced, and not capable a will bring down the russian economy, and they

did not bring it down. you yourself said that moscow makes a more vivid impression on today's dynamic one. uh, than washington arms supplies to ukraine are not able to radically change e situation. e at the front. yes, and it turns out to be very serious in foreign policy. uh, i would say almost a defeat in the economy, the situation is catastrophic, and plus the biden administration is really at the level of rhetoric. he says let it. ukraine decides. that's exactly why many american observers a. like charles capchin or jeffrey sachs, by the way, uh, famous economist. uh, they say that the united states, in fact, also has subjectivity, that the united states should also decide when, under what conditions, ukraine should move to, uh, peaceful regulation and so on, but for the time being, uh, this uh does not

arise, and i personally think that if the biden administration continues on the same course, yes, then it will end up suffering an even more reputational defeat - a political defeat than if right now it shows political will and force kiev to sit down. uh at the table what you say is very logical and i must admit that a couple of weeks ago. i subscribed to almost everything you said. now. it's not that i don't agree. i'm not sure and i'm not sure for two reasons. which also both of the american internal order , the first reason, of course, is the historic decision of the supreme court allowing the states to ban abortion, or rather, the states themselves decide what to allow? what to ban? but for even slightly more than half of the american population, this decision is

wrong. and as you understand for most women, not just women, this decision is very personal, and it can negatively affect the chances. e republicans, who in general, here is the decision of the supreme court of the conservative majority. the supreme court is also supported by the latter. this is the last one. now it's becoming more and more obvious that the so-called congressional committee that is investigating the events of the sixth of january. ah, in the twentieth year of the twenty-first year, when that banner of you was, i don't know how to call it a rebellion. e riots, and the storming of congress. and so, what are they uh, most likely, recommending that the justice department bring, uh, indictment by trump and the current uh attorney general, which in america is called the attorney general? he is clearly inclined to go this way, but i don’t know if this will happen,

because not only politics is important here, but also what kind of real evidence they will have, because the court still needs to prove something. but if biden manages to push this accusation against trump, then of course it will too. eh, digress from 24 years. he still needs to live. but this will still, if you like, not contribute to the chances of the republicans in these elections, that is, there will be a more intense struggle with a less clear result. what else seemed to me several weeks ago. i agree with the decision of the supreme court to review the so-called case. rowe vs. wade, and this is a great gift to the democrats, because it really belongs to the democratic party. now the agenda has appeared, where they can, well, somehow go on the offensive and say that the republicans can now deprive the american people of those freedoms that the american people have achieved in at least e of their history.

especially in the 20th century. although i don’t want to go into a discussion here for a long time, but the supreme court does not banned abortion, as such he gave the states the right to decide which states can allow abortions. some states may ban abortion. well, it doesn't matter , but i very much doubt that this topic is capable of somehow outweighing economic considerations, because after all, the outcome of american elections is always determined by the state of the economy and choice. congress and, uh, presidential elections, uh, leonid petrovich, what do you think, i, you know, i would like to draw attention to what mr. sans said at the very beginning, he said for us, who have been analyzing the policies of the united states throughout the 2000s for all of us here . there is one very important moment . independence day july 4 has become one of the

holidays. in fact, it was unthinkable 10 years ago. we lived in soviet times. we all knew what the fourth of july was, what kind of holiday it was 7-8 years ago. we talked about this, that this is the central holiday of this ideology. this idea is all about the american spirit. and what mr. sais said, uh, reflects the crisis of the crisis. i am everything they say there is stagnation, but this is an american crisis. spirit of america as such, we in russia back in the fifteenth year, ave, is sure that dmitry, on our line, we already said then that the united states as a single whole, as a powerful state in all respects, goes its own

way, through a crisis very similar to the soviet crisis. very similar to the soviet crisis that led to the collapse of the soviet union. many people say, there's a cold war, a cold war. yes, the cold war, but it was both an internal crisis and in united states, and this is primarily reflected in the spirit in ideology, and there, of course, in a pragmatic sense, in a practical economy, as always and correctly, these eight percent, which are the main thing - this is war and foreign policy and the war in ukraine, so we are now, uh, not i know to agree sir. high or not, we are witnesses of hmm, the deepest, uh, internal spiritual spiritual crisis , which also affects the economy. possibility. it's the same here. in my opinion , this one, uh, the fourth of july is

almost no longer a holiday. this is the strongest thing. this is very important and a very dangerous sign. but a year ago, my wife and i sold, she moved to a house in the suburbs of washington and moved further from washington, uh, to hana don velle. it's about 100 km from washington. it 's a completely different place. there, the demographic population is overwhelmingly white, and the traditional conservative, but i'm not talking about that. and about what happened to that one. product where we are lived before and where we tried for many, many years. and uh, we noticed how the democratic character of our street was gradually changing. naturally, we ourselves were emigrants and had no objection to the fact that emigrants lived on the street, but we found that gradually the street changed its character. they

mostly settled there. uh, the indians, who, uh, in the beginning behaved absolutely. just like us, it was a normal street in the suburbs of washington, but gradually there were so many of them that they began to address each other in their own language. what gradually they began to behave in a way that is more customary at home, for example, in the american suburbs on the front of the house. where it goes out into the street, everything is usually quiet and clean, and there some children play. there the activity takes place in the garden and people hang out with each other, but in india it's different. there is a lot going on in the street in front of the house, and a completely different character of life began to arise there, people began to shout to each other in their own language through the houses. and it's been on some kind of enough

considerable distance. nobody interfered with us. nobody offended us. they were friendly people. but it was an indian suburb, she stopped in an indian suburb, not an american one, i doubt very much that now, on this street, uh, july 4th. it would be of great importance. here is what dmitry said - this is very important, because indeed the united states is going through a complex fundamental crisis and one of the main factors. e of this crisis are these demographic changes that we are now we observe in the united states because yes , politics is an ideological identity, which in the united states was formed precisely through the adoption of the declaration of independence. it persists, but there has always been another pillar of american identity, which in the last decade, especially after the sixties, it was customary not to speak much out loud. this is still a white identity throughout the vast majority

of its history until the seventies was anglo, of course, the country, of course, there were poles and jews. chinese, but culture, especially political and, if you like, judiciary came from england, of course, i don’t, and back in the early seventies. uh, the white population accounted for 87% almost 90 now much less than 60% - this is very tectonic abilities, and in schools almost almost everywhere. uh, especially washington in the suburbs of washington everywhere everywhere. if you look at schools the minority make up a significant minority. and now dmitry emphasizes there were significant ones, of course, and now this quantity is gradually turning into quality, and the quality lies in what dmitry was talking about, that for many segments of the american population, the fourth of july, it is not at all clear what

a day off is. and that's it, yes, and what is it connected with? what happened in philadelphia? what values ​​are included in the declaration? depending is already, but another question. but here i want to ask dmitry, just about conservative america, and we talked a little about the situation that the biden administration is facing. you know, it's really a very difficult situation, because it is not only generally losing its positions, but also within the democratic party, the internal split between progressives and centrists, and the energy policy that the biden administration is now desperately trying to pursue is perceived by progressive left-wing democrats as a betrayal, a betrayal of the climate agenda and so on, but in the republican party, yes, which i think will now win the midterm elections. congress, despite the decision of the supreme court, and on all matters of public opinion still with

donald trump is in the lead by a huge margin from all other leaders of the republican party, about 56% believe that trump, uh, hmm, would have voted for trump if the republican primaries were now in second place for governors from florida ron desantes. but pay attention to the desantis in their ideological views in their political platform. looks a lot like trump. yes, and many people call him there the second trump or little trump, he strives to be like trump and so on. what is it about he speaks? this suggests that trumpism as an idea still dominates in the republican party and it is precisely this ideology that will be promoted by the republicans. after they form a majority in the house of representatives, and maybe in the senate, that is, in congress as a whole, what will this mean for the administration, yes. well, of course, that

the biden administration. uh, it will be almost impossible to approve any bills on the domestic agenda. it will be possible to put an end to the biden administration, but under the conditions of this segregated government and if congress will uh profess trump ideology majority in congress all committees yeah what will that mean for us policy towards ukraine what will this mean for us policy towards russia will the trumpists continue to easily approve 40 billion dollars or any other spending on e, the allocation of military assistance to ukraine and so on and so forth, as you think. uh, dmitry there are two news for russia about this, bad and good bad trump will not dominate no matter how many republicans have a congressional foreign policy, because there

is a so-called establishment. they don't want to fight trump because he's very popular, but they're more atlanti nonetheless. they are more guided by the traditional pro- nator foreign policy. it won't change radically. now, if trump becomes president and they can make a decision, then there will be a big chance. and if ukraine fails now, it will lose, everything means it will lose and it will be big juice, but i that's what i wanted to tell you, mr. general. let's call each other by name, as we pretend, if you don't offend me, so that's what i want to tell you. and there is a movement in the republican party that is not serious and it is getting more and more serious, which generally believes that america has gone absolutely the wrong way, that all these alliances. that they do not justify themselves, that they allow

dmitry to beat drums loudly and congratulate themselves, as we have united the whole free world behind us. but if you look, did america become safer as a result , could we be safer in europe, and if you want, did we protect ukraine from some kind of russian military operation? well, the answer to all these questions is the most obvious and i was recently at an event. here with people with such an e with such an approach with such questions, and one of them is a very influential person, whom, according to the rules, i cannot say, unlike the leadership of nato, i am not only talking about the rules. i keep them. and so. and he wants to say that one very unlikely person there said. yes, it is right that the united states should form alliances. it is right that the

united states should take allied relations seriously. that is why, when we have our own administration, we will begin by meeting with putin and the neck, because these are the people these are the countries that are increasingly not just defining the world politics, but on which the real security of the united states depends, if you agree with putin, look for you in general america will not be threatened more seriously. and if you negotiate with a macron schlöls and excuse the expression of foolishness, then you can spend a lot of money correctly and congratulate each other. how do you all love each other? this is generally. here is the meeting of these seven leaders of the big seven, i call it. the parade of the seven dwarfs here you can sit a vivid image and most importantly truthful, but america does not become

safer from this, and i really believe in lincoln's words that voters can, but deceive, but you can’t deceive deceiving everyone all the time and i think here you put the general, a very good question. and what if the defeat in ukraine becomes clear. if, after the defeat of the catastrophic humiliating defeat in afghanistan, there will be a defeat in ukraine . if all this becomes clear by the year 24. i think that it is quite realistic that not only other people will come to power, but they will be guided by completely different ideas, much more serious, but a period of crisis. usually this is just the period when strategic thinking comes back to the first place, and throughout. and last at the age of 30, the united states could afford some vacation from strategic thinking because it proclaimed itself victorious in the cold war, because it

was in a virtual monopoly situation, because it did not see threats and rivals from other great powers. and this pause in strategic thinking really led to a series of very large american foreign policy defeats and aggravated the domestic economic situation in the united states. i really hope that the difficulties that the united states is colliding now, both internally and externally, will lead to a return of strategic thinking. and this gives some chance for renewal. not only just a dialogue between russia and the united states on issues of strategic stability or conflict, but the restoration of full-fledged, albeit competitive, but full-fledged relations between our countries dmitry leonid petrovich many thanks. we will continue in a few moments dmitry thank you very much. thank you. this is a map

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game on the air. we just spoke with dmitry sainz or they are petrovich reshetnikov, and the possibility of returning to the united states strategic thinking, which they temporarily disappeared, and during the period of the moment of unipolarity, which they proclaimed for themselves strategic thinking can be said to be a symbol of strategic thinking in the united states ah, for a long time was and today is henry a former secretary of the year, a former national security adviser, indeed a man who played an extremely important role in american foreign policy. what is worth the rapprochement with communist china, uh, the seventies, and in recent weeks, the old kisanger, who is almost 100 years old 99, if my memory serves me right, i have to constantly make excuses. i would say from shrug off the accusations that rained down on him after his speech at the davos

economy. forum and where did he recommend that ukraine urgently seek peace with russia, including at the cost of, uh, territorial concessions, now kisenger, played back a little, says that he was misunderstood, that he is not asking ukraine to give up many of its territories, but strategic thinking, but he still has it . look, at davos, you suggested that ukraine could give up some territory in order to gain peace, this assumption was sharply criticism. if you read what i actually said, you will understand that this is exactly what i did not say. i said the best reason for termination. fire is a return to the pre-war status of the quota, that is, the war should not be transferred from the territory that was ukrainian at the time the conflict began to the territory that was then part of russia or was perceived as part of it, i warned against turning the war for the freedom of ukraine into a war for the

future of russia, this needs to be thought very carefully now russia occupies about 15% pre-war territory. ukraine these lands. must be returned to kiev petrovich it seems to me that here is the most important thought that kissinger has. u said, this is what needs to be prevented, and the transformation of the war for the freedom of ukraine into a war for the future of russia because this fundamentally changes the agenda, yes and uh, if we are talking about a war for the future of russia, then, according to casenger, firstly, this can lead to a third world war, and secondly, the war for the future of russia will not be supported not only by the vast majority of non-western countries of the world, somehow india brazil and many others. but even i'm not sure that all western countries are also ready to sign up for a war for the future of russia, that is, a war for the defeat of russia. what do you think, yes? i think these are the key words, and he said everything else. for the sake of this

phrase, only here and in this understanding of the whole situation in general, in contrast to the e now, the ruling e leadership of the united states and. uh, as dmitry savich just said, all these seven political gnomes are gnomes. uh, if uh, he warns uh, if he turns like that, then we just the whole world is playing and we will find ourselves alone, and in no case should we put russia in a situation where it has no future, it should not be, and from the american side such statements were made at different levels. yes, we must defeat russia of course, we must practically remember it, uh, the chief of the pentagon said yes , they should transfer him to the third-rate countries, in general, to the third-rate countries. and this is the penetration into the media of thoughts and plans about the division of

russia, er, tear it apart. they are not random either. there it’s all spinning, there it’s the americans and the british specifically talked about it, and kissel knows this very well and this is a kind of rose, a warning to everyone. hey guys where are you going? what trip are you going on? well, in fairness, i must say that in the latter. a week at the official level on the part of representatives of the biden administration, more such statements as lloyd austin or the seledstvo volander, which i spoke, this is, uh, an employee of the national security council, who spoke about inflicting a strategic defeat on russia. here at the official level in the united states they no longer talk about it, but they still talk about it in london, this is the only country, and western europe is a large nato country that still officially says that russia needs to

be defeated in its purest form . this is great britain, here is the last statement of the minister of foreign affairs, or no new minsk agreement is acceptable and ukraine needs victory in its pure form in its pure form victory yes, and ivan alekseevich here. eh, on your opinion. what is the reason for such a position of london , do you know what washington has in mind, then london has on its tongue? or is it the influence of domestic politics, yes, and johnson’s attempts and fight or play the fear, do you know such a parody of winston churchill’s war cabinet that they are now waging a war? e with russia, or is it an attempt to somehow compete for setting the agenda with france, germany, or all together? what do you think or maybe something else all together, of course, this is an attempt, first of all, to stay. uh a very important country in europe, the uk withdrew from the european union, and, in general, should

have dropped out of the european agenda, but in this ukrainian crisis, the uk saw for itself a great opportunity not only to stay on the ukrainian agenda, but to intercept it and intercept her most aggressive stance. pushing all the time, calling for escalation. well, there is also a traditional element, what is british? always trying to be so shady, uh leaders and manipulated. uh, they often have america it doesn’t work out very well, but it happens that they throw in some ideas, throw in some theses that the americans digest and then, maybe it seems to them that this is already their own policy, but there are some british, british roots, and therefore britain claims to be uh, the leading power of forces to be

the leading power in its own right. she lacks material strength. and now, she is quite successful now, uh, trying to use uh continental europe as consumables. for their own, so to speak, in quotation marks, great geopolitical ideas. and, of course, they are trying to put america on their line too, uh, too. but, if you'll excuse me, i wanted to. well, to your previous question, here's how to relate to all this. it seems to me that the key point is how we treat this, and it is next. of course, we all understand that kissinger, despite his age - this is the brain. this is a man, uh, with a lot of experience. now you can’t say that his idea is directly original. that's what he's offering, oh what no one thinks, cannot think, but then what he thinks and says is worth a huge experience, and this should be treated with great

attention. that is, maybe it's not straight freshness of thought. but this is a very well- founded thought. behind it there are roots and great experience and a political flair. yes, what can work, what doesn’t work, but what does she focus on, what does it mean, he says at least something reasonable or that even him in america and europe to play off and he was forced to give back a little because i still let me remind you that in davos he compared the ukrainian situation with the middle eastern problem of peace in exchange for land, they say. this is not a unique problem. we saw the same thing in the middle east. well, this does not fit in with his subsequent statements about what it means to return to the borders before february 24 before the start of a special military operation. so how do we deal with all this? it seems to me that the key point is that we want what we are counting on, we are counting on the fact that they

will come to their senses and return to the rails of some kind of sound politicians, but no one says that they should directly agree with russia in everything. they have their own interests. they have their own culture, their emotions, but at least they have to go on the rails of common sense, they are madness and irresponsibility, and in this case, of course, we would like kisengera. and the kissangero heard and listened to him and it was translated into practical politics, or we still want them to reach an epic failure in their perseverance and stupidity. and in this case, well, they don't listen to the kesanger. well, they worse. well, it seems to me that if it's really right, firstly, these are two scenarios that they can still choose between. so far, yes, but ah , an epic failure situation, because it can be

fraught with their epic failure situation, maybe , uh, fraught with very serious risks for us. e security. and here is, uh, the famous jeffrey sax, uh, who at one time. e, it seems, as he advised e, the russian government to the polish government to carry out market transformations, and recently he has become such a very staunch critic. as times the policy pursued by the biden administration. and uh, collective west. and the other day he published an article in berlin's website. and where did he write that really, if the united states and the west continue in the same spirit, they will come to this epic channel, which in its turn will lead a new donald trump to the white house, yes, and this new donald trump is a conditional new donut. maybe trump personally, maybe ron-desantis, maybe someone else? yes, but this new

donald trump will try somehow sharply restore the american position, and after the epic failure in which they find themselves, the united states well, relatively speaking, new roll treygon after a weak jimmy carter and this will be a problem, but a threat to international security, because the united states can again be drawn somewhere, because trump, according to jeffrey suggs, is much more impulsive and less responsible. uh, than the same biden and representatives of his administration, and the sax writes that. well, if it may not come to the third world, then at least the encroachment of the united states to pursue some more, eh? militaristic e, having a responsible policy position, yes, in relation to russia, maybe even more. what do you think, but i am guided by what dmitry savins said, that is, the forces that listen to

the singer and influential forces and he promised us that in a year and a half in case of defeat. uh, this failure that you mentioned is the catastrophic failure of the current american policy. these influential forces, pressed trump and will come to that these problems need to be addressed. still, by talking from china and russia a. not just swinging a club and trying to change something by force. i think that, well, if we still believe that the american nation is still capable of giving birth to strategic thoughts. how did you tell people, then a period, especially in times of crisis? then they should still appear, if this is not the complete collapse of america already and the words of dmitry simes indicate that he called these people very influential, then there is a chance that the people

who follow. eh, kissinger's reasoning. now he is not particularly active, but they can still correct the situation, otherwise the arrival of people, uh, who would go again to uh, such tough actions in the external arena, but it seems to me, it is already unlikely, because it is no longer possible. and what, what else is a tough nuclear war to develop to develop. they wo n't dare. they are afraid of who will fight. i think maximum hardness. he they are already approaching. as here is the maximum already and already there are not enough forces. here. i really hope that inside the republican establishment, after all, realism will prevail. anya's realist school of thought is a neo-conservative school of thought, but at the same time, many scientists, just international theorists, argue that the most dangerous is a weakening kikimon, and not even a

rising power that challenges a weakening behemoth, namely a weakening hegemot in anyway. it seems to me that we have touched on a very important topic, that of the current elites in western countries. they put themselves. uh, obviously. doomed position. and, because well, today they do not work in their interests own citizens. you correctly said in izha at the beginning, it really is a dead end. yes, it's a dead end dead end situation. and here is a clear example of the fact that this process may already have begun is the current situation in italy, where the ruling coalition has recently collapsed, and since , uh, the minister of foreign affairs, luigi dima, i. and also 60, so to speak, deputies friendly to him , left the five stars ruling coalition, but because , er, this is the five stars ruling coalition. uh,

prepared a proposal that called for actually stop military supplies. uh, well, ukraine and pursue a more constructive policy towards russia, and here, in fact, what he said about this, and luigi dm for me, italy is more important than any party interests after several months of silence. with more than 60 colleagues and friends, we were forced to distance ourselves from those who led us to the wrong side of history, from those who wanted to take italy to anti-nato positions, from those who took an ambiguous line regarding support for ukraine, who strongly did not turned away from moscow and vasily georgievich pay attention to what luigi dima said and this is a purely american agenda about the right and wrong side of history and so on. yes, this just emphasizes what we are talking about now, when on the one hand there are elites, and

who are guided by the united states and even at the level of rhetoric reflect american terminology and agenda, and on the other hand there is the five stars movement, which called populists. but what are populists? this means that they feel the mood among voters and begin to do as the voters want yes and now the concrete result of the collapse of the ruling coalition. e in italy this is an isolated case, what do you think or similar examples? uh, will there be many in europe? well, this is still an isolated case, because in general the italian government was somewhat different from the governments of other countries in the eurozone. well, in force. insolence towards the brussels bureaucracy, they allowed themselves to have a budget deficit of more than three percent. sometimes much more than three percent. well and demonstrate such, as it were, the desire that italy should not be very close, maybe

to the united states. and this split it can lead to the fact that, like this new movement, in parallel with the five-star ones, will try to come to power and get a lot of votes on a kind of populism of the same, yes, but on pro american populism a and hmm just maybe e break this oppositional phenomenon, which in many ways is unique for the european union, because if we look at spain, france at greece there on germany, then we will not see analogues of five stars that would come to power. and they stayed there steadily. uh, it’s true that italy has to say that there are big problems in the economy, and therefore, uh, a breakaway from five stars now. it can, uh, turn out that those who remained at the helm, if they remain in government, then they will have to answer for rising prices anyway, they will have to answer for lowering the standard of living, as they will have to answer to everyone, ah, but the problem is that

those who e seem to be not very strong will answer here oriented. but in general, we need to prepare for the fact that such political ferment will grow in the european union and new political forces will appear or old political forces will change, and all the division will now be. the whole system will be two-party. yes , there will be one party, the party will be about the american party, the other will be taisiya, the american party will be two. if before there were euro-skeptics, euro-optimists, then it means that euro-skeptics became euro-haters who demand the destruction of the european union, then now, uh, the idea of, uh, changes or destruction of the european union, it will still be anti-american, that is, such a transformation in europe of this kind will be of decisive importance for the behavior of the people of the bulk of the population and the behavior of capital hmm in the real in the real sector of the economy, because when we say about

european. elite. we often forget what is there.