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good evening on the air, a big game after the complete liberation of the territory of the lugansk people's republic, the systematic liberation of the donetsk republic continues today, representatives of the dpr in in particular, they announced that most of seversk was already under the control of the allied forces , an offensive was also developing on solidar and artemovsk. the united states, meanwhile, was getting deeper and deeper into the military conflict. in ukraine, yesterday, the state department announced that since february of this year, american military assistance to ukraine has already exceeded $ 7.3 billion, and a new fourth meeting will be held next week. the so-called contact group for ukraine, it is also called the rammstein group under the chairmanship of the secretary of defense of the united states austin, after which the announcement of new military deliveries will surely follow, the quality of the weapons provided and, most importantly, the
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nonpos. the involvement of the united states in the use of these weapons on the battlefield. in particular, here is what maria zakharova, official representative of the russian ministry of foreign affairs, said today about the large-scale use of american missile systems in recent days. for a volley. fire highmars. listen to ukraine everywhere applied obtained from the united states of america multiple launch rocket system, oh, which i already said hymars and did. this was done with the direct assistance of the american side, which not only provided the necessary breeding, but also secretly coded instructors who helped the kiev regime. correctly aim more than that yesterday , fedor veneslavsky, a member of the parliamentary committee on national security defense of ukraine
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, said that ukraine is negotiating with the united states on long-range systems. uh, missiles for e systems himos missiles that are capable of hit targets at a distance of 300 km. and today. we will discuss these problems of the involvement of the united states, the military conflict in ukraine , the prospects for this conflict and, of course, russia's policy with the president of the center for national interests dmitry syme and the first deputy chairman of the state duma committee on cis affairs of eurasian integration and relations with compatriots konstantin zatulin konstantin fedorovich hello . dmitry , the first question for you. you just got back to washington and for sure, you already had time to talk to someone in the biden administration or near the biden administration, and here in ukraine now, of course, topic number one. and this is their uh, we are planning a large-scale counteroffensive. it
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is presented as a large-scale counter-offensive with the aim of seizing the south of ukraine, primarily the kherson and zaporozhye regions. after they get enough weapons from uh, the united states here, uh, based on the conversations that you probably had in washington here, is it really there in washington they are making a serious bet on this ukrainian counteroffensive, and how serious are they betting, if they are doing and whether washington is proceeding from the fact that if this counteroffensive really starts, russia can make some compromises and maybe even limit the scale and nature of its special operation. and dmitry is very good, probably, you understand, a difficult question, especially for a man who, as they say, from a ship to a ball. uh, i arrived yesterday afternoon. and now i'm already talking to you today, so all my
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impressions, er, which are based on personal conversations, they are inevitably somewhat superficial. although it seems to me that i have some, at least a general idea of the administration's position. well, my impression of the position of the administration in the first place, but not based on some personal, uh, conversations based on what president biden himself says when he is u asked by journalists who are starting to wonder about the price of american support for ukraine and how much it is. support will continue? let's listen. let 's support so much. how much will it take means indefinite assistance to ukraine or there will still come a time when you have to tell president zelensky that the us can no longer afford it, we will support ukraine so much. for as long as it takes, the united states and
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our other allies will continue to do this as long as they like. the war has sent prices skyrocketing to analysts. it is said that a barrel of oil can cost up to $200. how long should drivers in america and around the world pay for this war as much as it takes russia should not defeat ukraine and move on. well, dmitry, what the president said, biden, it would be clear to me personally, and if he was talking about a situation where the russian army is advancing towards washington or at least miami has already landed, but when it comes to a regional conflict in eastern europe e, moreover, and that ukraine is not a member of nato and they are a legal american ally and there are no legal obligations in relation to it,
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and if it were a question of accepting ukraine into nato then had to have a hearing in the senate. there should have been some discussion, there should have been a question of why and why the united states is supporting ukraine and where america is . no such hearings can lead. no such public uh discussion in the united states . if you ask, why is all this being done, then in general, you get two answers, the first and prevailing is, which, uh, we know well of us, who has children, small children, and you ask them? why did you do it? and you you get an answer, yes, that's why the phrase ends there, but, probably, from three to five. this is the normal answer. but when this is given as a response at the state level to a situation that
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costs a lot of blood a lot of money and can lead to an uncontrolled escalation, then such an answer. eh, i'm not very convinced by the second. an answer is given. uh, i have to ask konstantin zatulin about this, as a person who is responsible for this not only in his portfolio in the duma. well, i dealt with a lot of problems. uh, near abroad and eastern europe here constantine literally. uh, half an hour ago i was asked this question. well , okay. so you came from moscow and talk about concerns in moscow, what can these concerns lead to? what can they express? but here's how you answer the question. i want to play this question for you, how do you answer the question that putin, uh, sees himself as peter i. what did he call, uh, the collapse of the soviet union
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the main catastrophe of the 20th century, and in general, putin is what he does. he would have done under all conditions. it does not depend on any provocative actions on the part of the united states or the collective west and if the united states does not defend ukraine, then this will only cause further russian aggression and poland and the czech republic and so on and so forth will be next, therefore, given that the ukrainians are ready to fight. so it is better and more reliable to expose them today than to wait for further russian military actions to be told about it. but this is a question in this form, it comes periodically and simply reflects either the bad faith or the phobia of the asker, because in absolutely no scenario now. not before
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was russia's desire to attack poland to capture. czech republic and in general e to reach the english channel. we had such opportunities, and we did not use them when there was the second world war and the cold war. although we all suspected it for some reason. i think so for obvious reasons, because it was necessary to dump your own plans on others. i want to draw your attention to the fact that the way biden poses the question, or rather, how he answers the question of how long whether this war will last actually confirms that he gives this clash the character of a fundamental clash, which has an existential character, that is, the character of to be or not to be. here, as in the case of hamlet to be or
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not to be, is it either the victory of ukraine or the war? yes, without end. well, first of all, i would like to point out two things. well, uh, this is not our invention, a saying or a proverb, don’t shoot a pianist, he does what he can, what else can the president of the united states say, especially on the road about direct question, will you support? of course we will support, we will support everywhere. we will support you to the end. i think that the americans could say, hyo in san- in saigon drive in uh kabul that they will be there to the end, support and so on, but somehow in these cases actually u under the influence of circumstances. it is the determination to maintain indefinitely. she, uh, still ended up having to admit some realities, therefore, it’s not very hard to believe that it will be endless.
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this is the first. and, uh, the second thing that comes to my mind about these statements by e baidan is that, of course, today there is an interest, absolutely an interest in talking about an inevitable offensive. and we must pay tribute to e, ukrainian self-pr and western media. they have been warning us for a long time and honestly. in what particular direction will this offensive be on kherson, and not on some other one? well, we just have to believe in all this. and uh, as you understand, no matter how we related to these statements. we, uh, should be serious about the test we're going through anyway, and we're taking it that way. uh, what's happening right now is deeply regrettable in terms of the bitterness that's building up on both sides. i have already said when we
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talked face-to-face in this studio. what seems to me the main problem, and you admitted it, including for the western world, is that in russia they are increasingly imbued with the knowledge that this is not a special military operation about patriotic war, and the ukrainians, with whom we are fighting, are perceived least of all as an enemy in this patriotic war, and western countries that give intelligence are most of all perceived. these goal-settings are supplying more and more deadly types of weapons, discussing how to inflict the greatest damage on russia from the point of view. male as it is understood in russia, this is the meanest behavior, because they are afraid to fight directly and do not want a complete consensus in this. but by proxy , fight, supply, do so that losses russian army. donetsk luhansk were. as much as possible is please at any time from advertising
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their efforts. this one lays a great, regret for long periods ahead, no matter how all these events end, hostility is already growing in relation to the behavior of specific leaders, the west and western countries. it seems to me that konstantin fedorovich said an absolutely key thing about the patriotic war. because if the west presents this conflict as an existential war against russia, then russia will not may treat this differently as a patriotic war and the set of tools that the west uses in this war and sanctions and political pressure and the increasing involvement of not only the supply of weapons, but the direct involvement of uh, the course of hostilities in ukraine is also there is a hybrid war against russia, which for us is perceived as the fatherland, and i would like to say one more thing, here, uh, you gave
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an example that is close to me, uh, relations there in the yard that arose in our country sometime in the soviet period. by the way, i want to say, and you are good, you probably know that we have lost this yard psychology already in the yards. children are not allowed to go anywhere, because other times we do not grow up in yards, as we once did, but in the yard , in any fight, it was important that an instant question always sounded. who started first? yes, it means that the west tells everywhere that russia was the first to start on february 24th. well, we don't have such a short memory. after all, we are talking about the fact that the west was the first to start and not on february 24th. 2022, and back in the nineties, reacting by changing its position by deceit, when it came to, uh, the federal republic of germany and its reunification with east germany, by the way,
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france actually opposes this, but we somehow reminded putin of this. in this case, sympathy for the german people and they considered that this was their national national interest. their interesting ideas told us this is confirmed by the latest reports. yes, there will be no nato advance to the east. and then it went one after another . so we started first. it's just a very episode. a long story that began with the collapse of the soviet union after all. i want to remind you that in the 19th century, the united states faced a problem. that's between the southern and northern states and the southern states, proclaimed their self-determination. for some reason, the northern states refused to recognize him . and the bloodiest civil war in the history of the united states began. what we are talking about now is that we are in a collision with a country with a country that arose from the ruins of the soviet
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union after it existed for hundreds of years, in a common state with us, and at the same time i want to note that it has never, in general, contrary to all sorts of fakes, been an independent state. in history. the first time began in the ninety-first year. before that it was quasi. the soviet republic is a ukrainian shit, which again we created together, of course, we created with the ukrainians. and today it seems that they are talking about poland , they are talking about the czech republic, listen. we never had such plans either with respect to the piston, we got rid of poland at one time and thank god from the baltic states, by the way, are also glory. god , i'm not so sure about the baltic states, because by that time it had already been inhabited by the russian population, which continues to remain in latvia and estonia in the sky on an equal footing. that's for sure. as for poland, it is not even in my thoughts to get into poland and in general to do something in this poland the last time, when we last
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had some kind of relationship so close. it was the time of troubles in the 17th century, and thank god it is over. here's konstantin. i a little bit i will say. about poland, uh, since you mentioned it. uh, of course, uh, they talked about how, from your point of view, russia was deceived in the nineties. well, let's say, russia did not directly object. uh, on some level, uh, to be accepted like that, fool. i will never forget, uh, a conversation in 1992, and in warsaw, a witness that i was between the president of valencia , richard nixon, the former president of the united states, and uh, nixon asked uh. here you go. eh, how did it happen? and what, uh, yeltsin became somehow more take uh, the idea of expanding over, i think it was 1993. i'm sorry a and uh,
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the balance told such a story. how did president yeltsin come to warsaw, how did he have a meeting? uh, from valencia and valencia further said the following. well, we sat down together, and i gave him a bottle, not a son of wine, he says a joke, probably vodka. no, says valence. he generally liked wine, they told me, and we drank a bottle of wine and i, then we offer him. let's go to the press, uh, and let's show that we have unity, how we respect each other friend and confirm that russia has no objection . uh, poland's interest in joining nato and nick interrupts from one and says how to get out without any preparation. he says, well, there was preparation, we drank a bottle of wine and, uh, yeltsin
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went and spoke like that. here. e. understand that there is a certain model of dealing with russia that the west got used to in the nineties. and when this model was resolutely rejected by russia. this, of course, caused first irritation, then concern. well, then, then what is happening now is the feeling, not that russia is responding to any specific challenges itself. and what, it just became a different russia , which is less reminiscent of what they hoped they hoped would be a junior partner of the west, and instead, you see, uh, russia is inspired by prime minister peter at least. this is my impression. it did not work out with regard to the evolution of the western perception of russia here. i want dmitry to ask you a question precisely, because you are not at night. be remembered mentioned. you, probably
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you know that no later than this week, the same ex-president of poland and the former head of solidarity, e, opened up and said that, in general, russia needs to be split up and the maximum piece of russia that can be saved, the population should not be more at the same time, he said to 50 million people, recalling the past, that they didn’t listen to him, because from the very beginning, allegedly or in fact, he fought to finish off the enemy in his lair and ruin russia back then in the nineties after soviet union, but the beautiful souls did not listen to him. eh, westerners, and as a result, we see that we are acquiring such a problem. this is the same valencia who talked about a bottle of wine and besides that we have. it was with this that a certain meeting of a certain official commission in the united states was broadcast, about which e-reigned immigrants from the former
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soviet union, e, our former fellow citizens, who, interrupting each other, told how russia should be destroyed, disorganized, dismantled, so that it would never exist and would like to ask here in the american political establishment they understand the price of these ledges. i understand that lehvalence is not the president, the people who are there, uh, were pr. they are not the rulers of the american people either. but this is all happening in the united states, this is happening in relation to those figures who in american politics are considered to be shaking hands. they do not consider this the most by giving a rostrum or by not speaking out against these speeches in public. they lay a very serious problem for the future in our relations. well, konstantin, uh, you know well uh, american congresses in general, american political culture, i’ll brag here, i tried to make this modest contribution at one time, when you came to washington with russian delegations, and
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we met there and you spoke very effectively, so you know what's called in the american congress. uh, there are uh, many different points of view. but uh, as they said in america during cortisolism, there was more than one. uh, the american politician did not go broke because of what would have started fought desperately against the soviet union but now, uh, no american politician will lose points if he takes the toughest and not even very reasonable position on russia. the kherson commission was created many years ago in order to fight the soviet union, when soviet collapsed. uh, maybe they had reason to dissolve it, instead it was decided that the commission needed to find a new occupation. and here they are since then desperately. more and more desperately fighting with russia, their hearings are not the same
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hearing. uh, analytical uh, at least with some pretension to an objective analysis of the problems that biden even carried out in his time when he was chairman of the senate commission on foreign affairs. this is a frank propaganda show, but i have already spoken on our program. uh, what, i wouldn't, uh, think this was a show manual. to the action that officially washington will act in a similar way, and in a crazy way such ideas were in the early fifties and they continued for some time, then president eisenhower said enough stupidity. let's do serious things, but these hearings are the people who spoke at them, uh, they show that, uh, some kind of radical migrants who used to be considered marginalized, and who, in general, were not very accepted in a decent company. no
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longer listened to them. you look at their biographies. they are now associated with official centers that work for the us government. i don’t want to say necessarily respected, but significant they are published in such publications, uh, that you know dmitry behind them is watching. i'm sure washington post. ah, foreign fs performs on american television. it's not like they brought in some city lunatics or straight up. here is an emigrant ship. this indicates certain trends in american political culture, which, fortunately, is not yet dominant, but in general, things that used to look, but indecent for serious people. now they are becoming more and more normal, but i wanted to ask dimitri a question, here is the question you asked me. and i think you would
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a stronger position to answer it. here is the american plan, who in the world in which the plan exists? perhaps, i should say, this is not not a plan, but some kind of predisposition hope to do two things at the same time to help ukraine change the dynamics on the battlefield, providing it with, as you rightly said, ever more advanced weapons. all in large quantities and not. this is not in such quantities that ukraine could catch up with russia in terms of artillery, but some new opportunities. she will most likely get already starting to receive. and then the ukrainian comrades say this is something new, that defensive weapons are not enough for them to the extent that artillery and multiple rocket launchers in general can be considered defensive weapons. now they want armored cars in the hundreds in the thousands, but this will already be , in combination with the artillery of the multiple launch rocket system, a
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clear increase in the ukrainian offensive potential, and therefore in ukraine they have ideas that they can, with american western help, at least in southern ukraine to achieve some success, but to tear crimea away from the rest of russia again, well, and they even say, uh, at least openly boast about how these systems will help them, uh, destroy the crimean bridge. and when you tell them in response, guys, na after all, russians also have all sorts of different opportunities and new systems. already on the way, and the number may increase and russia has not even started any mobilization. the answer to this is such a cunning facial expression, we have thought it all out, we know all this and say, and where will russia get the money for this. russia, unlike america, does not have a printing
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press that helps america spend billions. even when there seems to be no money, and er, here. uh, that russia will limit the further flow of financial resources, prohibiting the purchase of russian gold and now seeking to establish some kind of arbitral bar according to which russia can sell oil so that, uh, it would be more profitable for russia's partners not to receive russian individual discounts. here is to receive this amount, which offers nato and what is it? will be for them economically expedient, and as a result, russia will not have the means to rearm and to give a serious answer to the west, and then russia, allegedly, as he was mentioned, will rightly become more evasive at the negotiating table, what would you say about this kind of hope, well
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, firstly, dmitry, i agree that it is precisely this and this is precisely what the american idea consists of, indeed, we are talking about the transfer of now armored personnel carriers. e ukraine and ukraine openly says that it is similar military equipment. she needs it in order to go on the counteroffensive and try to win back. uh, at least uh, the kherson region is here. it seems to me that the united states is implementing the minimum program and uh, the maximum program and the maximum program is to try to still inflict a military defeat on russia, or at least change the dynamics of hostilities not in favor of russia, and the minimum program is to, well, here are the russian armed forces, would have been restrained, uh, during this and certainly intensification of hostilities, at least there will be an intensification of hostilities within
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ukraine and. a. this, in the opinion of the united states, will inflict uh, more strategic damage, long-term damage, and to the russian military, but my answer will be next to the united states. each time they step on the same rake, that in the course of the military conflict in ukraine, that on other issues they believe that they determine events. and that the world and all the rest will behave in the same way and events will develop as they decide in washington it's not. and we see this in a huge number of examples. uh, the united states believed that not the western world would rally around the united states and the west would collectively condemn russia, uh, cooperation with it would be reduced, join sanctions under the banner of protection, the so -called international order, based on rules, nothing like that, no one joined, no
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one joined, except for the actual satellites. and the united states yes, now the united states is discussing with china from saudi arabia, setting a ceiling on the price of russian oil. well , let's see what will happen from these e, according to the results of these negotiations. i believe that uh the united states will get a very serious negative response to these attempts of theirs from both china and uh saudi arabia and the list goes on really. uh, russia is not in trouble, but militarily attrition is the russian military-industrial complex. a-a is quite autonomous, it is minimally dependent on western technologies, and it is now working on full capacity, and it is precisely the western countries, primarily european ones, that are experiencing exhaustion. but uh, also the united states is already plain text.
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they say that they need to replenish their own reserves of javelin stingers and uh, so on and so forth, so the united states has driven itself into a dead end and a dead end. this one is that and they will have to admit the defeat of both ukraine and their own defeat. after this ukrainian counter-offensive, if it takes place, it will fail, but i would like to return to that thesis, which konstantin fedorovich a said about the patriotic war. but it's not only in russia that they say this anymore . it's not only in russia that this conflict is perceived not as a conflict between russia and the west, in fact, the same thing. uh, just repeated the president of serbia and aleksandar vučić, listen, we must understand that in conditions when there is a world war. leave
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the talk that this is a regional or local war, the entire western world through the ukrainians is a war with russia, this is a global conflict, only a significant conflict in asia is missing and indeed, after all, the west is at war with russia, and russia, in turn, on the territory of ukraine is fighting western technology with western intelligence western instructors western tactics and strategy. that is, you understand, we are now actually at war with nato, we are acquiring a unique and most useful experience of the war with nato, right now here and now an extremely useful experience. yes, what makes russia much stronger and while russia is gaining the upper hand in this de facto war with the collective west, but for now, of course, this is a war. has a hybrid character and that's what dmitry worries me the most. this is what i think the war will remain
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hybrid until either side wins a decisive victory. that's right, since the parties position this conflict as existential, the victory of one side will be perceived as an unequivocal defeat of the other side. and this is precisely what can provoke an escalation and a transition to a hybrid war already to an open war. here, do they understand it in washington, damn it, and what do you think, and dmitry, someone understands, someone doesn’t understands. you know, in general, all of us have uh, uh, so-called political scientists. eh, unlike historians. er, there's a tendency to think that what we see today is long-term normality. that's why we see today. and uh, how it can be completely different, but let's imagine that in the twentieth year, uh,
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trump and trump would have won the imperfection of his policy towards russia, to put it mildly, for russia it was, uh, unacceptable, but for me obviously think that for you the studio is obvious that if trump was president you are his heart-foot about ukraine, which considers its personal enemy, which tried to block it. e, he is from ukraine, no big war with russia, hybrid or real. he would u not start so there are midterm elections coming up in america and uh, we are close enough to them and the closer to these elections, the more important it is for the biden administration to flex their muscles and show that, unlike afghanistan, the united states will not tolerate ukraine yet one humiliating defeat. but uh also because he we are approaching the elections more and more brightly and
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sound harshly. uh, in america, the voices of those who believe that the administration in relation to ukraine is behaving simply detrimental to american national interests. let's hear what , perhaps, the most influential and unambiguously highest-rated american conservative commentator takson has to say about this. your taxes are going to pay the bills of ukrainian government bureaucrats in total, our congress has allocated more than $50 billion to ukraine, of which $7 billion is for food aid and health care, and $9 billion in economic support, whatever that means, another $2 billion went to help ukrainian refugees, just like we did in iraq, afghanistan, and half a dozen other countries, we send the city of greenbacks into the thick of the fighting. we hope that the money will find the right pockets. i will repeat once again. this madness
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, the leaders of both political parties are convinced that it is possible to continue in the same pooh even to increase momentum, dozens of congressional democrats are pushing the idea that it needs to be pushed to pour more money into the $650 billion reserve of the international monetary fund because of the situation in ukraine and as the icing on the congressman's cake. adam kindzinger. asked the government for another 100. in dollars quote to help ukrainian pilots and maintenance personnel. this man for a second believed in the existence of the ghost of kiev dmitry, i already said too much. uh, just to remind you that at least for the first time, as far as i know, so ir carlson, uh, said yesterday, that ukraine is a corrupt non- democratic country. why? is it important before? even those who said that we in the united states exposed ukraine too much to them, they considered it necessary to
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start, but if you want with obligatory doctrinal reminders, how ukraine is a democratic and innocent victim of aggression. but now they are starting to say that, to put it mildly, ukraine is only responsible for its choice because of its extreme active radical russophobic labism in washington. this is how we are approaching the midterm elections, which will not decide america's foreign policy is a matter of presidential elections for 24 years. but if, uh, ba- would lose control of congress. the billions of dollars that ir carlson talks about would be much more difficult for ukraine. so i want to say that in this case i agree with you and with the causton token, because the example of ukraine just said that ukraine now needs $9 billion in monthly assistance. i want to draw your attention to the fact that ukraine's gross domestic product is $120 billion in year. that is, he asks for the amount,
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which is equivalent to the annual gross product of the whole of ukraine, it is just money that needs to be put into pockets, and i want to say one more important thing that i hope will be heard if there is a tightening and increase in the supply of new types of weapons. it will not cause panic in russia, it will cause just what putin warned about russia will start to fight, since it has not yet fought. she's just upping the ante in this game. you haven't seen yet. no one else is really truly aerial attacks while the air is in ours. and this will be done if it really threatens with some kind of attack on kherson or some other region under the control of russian troops from the united states , in this case, they will suffer both domestic political, i mean, the biden administration and foreign political defeat. and because, of course, the more money the united states
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prints for ukraine, the more inside american inflation, which is now the number one problem in the united states, but the military defeat, which ukraine with great likely to endure until the midterm elections, and in the united states congress in november, clearly will not improve the already catastrophic position. e biden administration, on the eve. e these elections and god forbid that this is so that this defeat does not lead to an escalation. bye. biden registration saves sanity in this particular issue. god grant that it be so dmitry konstantin fedorovich many thanks for the brilliant and very interesting conversation. we will continue in a few moments. i won't give them their real name. you
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do you remember rudolf rabin my friend? we worked together during the war in the center knows that we were friends you will smile in another place colonel i will call dolph abel, and then they will understand that i am arrested ralf ivanovich, a citizen of the ussr, he is an illegal resident throughout america bring on him, be afraid of the ussr information, so the weapon threatens you, mortal. execution, silence won't help, the only way out is to start cooperating with us. you can think whatever you want, but we have to save you in prison, you will be killed by me. beloved, nothing will work for them. they won't break you. tell the authorities that i was terribly scared agreed the fate of the legendary intelligence officer in the film the us government against
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a weightless installment plan, a weighty advantage. on the air , we continue the big game and now we’ll talk about europe, where the premiere pad began, that is, the cascading fall of the government. italian prime minister mario draghi resigned today. yesterday. uh, retired. eh, estonian prime minister kaya kalos filed before that boris johnson resigned, though not of his own free will, but, nevertheless, the fundamental reason everywhere is the deterioration of socio-economic conditions, and in the context of against the backdrop of the hybrid war that the west is waging against russia, which comes back to haunt itself, and in italy this is the reason, and the collapse of the ruling
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coalition and, uh, the departure of mario dredge - this is directly even a ukrainian problem. but because i remind you that the movement of the stars again, which are part of the ruling coalition, opposed the increase in military supplies. e kiev and spoke in favor of the need for peace talks in protest. yes, uh, against this decision against this position of the five star movement, and luigi, the minister of foreign affairs of italy, resigned from its composition de maya, who again entered the movement of the stars and with him there were about 50 deputies of the italian parliament as a result of ruling a person fell apart and that's it, yes and now in italy, uh, the government crisis ivan alekseevich well, what began in e. in europe, yes. we have said a lot around this table that, but the electorate will not forgive. this is the policy that the elites pursue annually for american interests, and sooner or later
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this stabilization will begin inside political situations, i would add one more point where also a government crisis - this is bulgaria where , uh, the prime ministers have already been announced. here he is distrust, but he is still fulfilling his duties, and what you said is planned, indeed the voters will still have their say, while we are still dealing with crises within the ruling coalitions or within the ruling parties, even there already disagreements have ripened, which are now pouring out into a reformatting of the ruling parties or ruling coalitions. like uh like in italy but uh, that is now until the voters have uh, po apparently our direct direct word regarding these krises, but in the next years we will approach the voters of companies in various
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european countries, where it will be very difficult for the ruling circles to hold their positions and speech. not only about these countries. i would pay attention to the very same finland and sweden, which were recently discussed a lot in your program in connection with joining nato. after all, uh, fundamentally. why? all of a sudden, these two countries began to be dragged into nato, allegedly, public opinion there had changed from the usual, uh, a few dozen, uh, percent of support in favor of nato, the numbers soared to 80%. but as they soared, the next months may soar and gradually fall, people begin to feel the consequences of that uh geopolitical geo-economic company that the united states has launched and sanctions are hitting the west with a ricochet. eh, very , very seriously, but gradually people begin to
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understand the essence of what, uh, what is happening, the propaganda veil is very dense, such a tangle of lies, very dense, but gradually gradually gradually, common sense prora. and therefore, it cannot be ruled out that in six months, support for the entry of the same finland and sweden into nato will fall. yes, the usual 20-30% with which they have not joined any nato for decades. i think that this will definitely happen in the same baltic states , which, figuratively speaking, runs ahead of the locomotive with its anti-russian line. and what about the people who went out on may 9, to lay flowers at the monuments, to the warrior heroes, and a lot of people came out as a liberator this year
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more people than usual, despite the fact that much more stringent measures were taken against them, again, than usual. what to do with all these people, common sense and public opinion will manifest itself in western europe and in eastern europe, in the baltics and in the scandinavian countries. bye. an intermediate stage is a crisis within the ruling groups, and they will have to face the population a little later, by the way, very significant. what exactly is in the baltic states which is the first in really. ahead of the steam locomotive refuses russian energy carriers, the highest inflation among all countries of the european union in lithuania is the highest 22%. despite the fact that lithuania was the first to completely abandon russian energy carriers in second place, latvia where today, if my memory serves me, the president signed, uh, a law banning the import of russian gas, this is, uh, very revealing and also, i think these are internal. uh, you're inland. well, uh, crises, political crises in the eu countries
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will inevitably develop into pan-european ones. here. note hungary has declared a state of emergency regulation on energy and banned any export of energy resources from the country. after all, this violates the common market, because in the european union, in accordance with the third energy package, there has been a common gas market since 200. hungary is already violating it. and this is the first sign, when they have a shortage of gas, they will start gas wars within the european union yes, and in these conditions, the european union is discussing the seventh package of sanctions against russia , it is said that in about a week they will present it, they will not necessarily accept it, yes, we remember how long has the sixth a package been discussed, but at least the european commission will present its proposals for the seventh package of sanctions, of course, there will be no gas about this already uh, it is said, including the prime minister of the czech republic uh. pyotr fiala
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said about this, there will be gold, most likely, uh, a ban on the import of russian gold, but there will be, and a new package of sanctions against uh, individuals, however, they say that someone even shouts a and from the sanctions yes, and it will also be tougher. no, sanctions against goods double e double appointment, that is, the seventh package of sanctions is being discussed. meanwhile, the euro exchange rate against the dollar continues to fall. and today, the chief economist of the institute of international finance. robert er, robin brooks said that the fall of the euro is not over yet. it is just beginning vladimir dmitrievich do you think this is an indicator of the economic situation in which we find ourselves today. uh, the european union, well, of course, this is the result of the fact that over the past years it began uh quite a long time ago. uh, europe was gradually losing
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its certain economic advantages, and this was significantly accelerated after the decision related to the barga of russian energy carriers. and those sanctions that were, were introduced. you just said about inflation. actually. this is one of the indicators. today, the really strange eu experiences. this is a record inflation over the past 40 years, it is different in all countries; the highest, as it would be rightly said, is in the baltic countries. here but nevertheless in countries that are such the traditional backbone of the european union, uh, the same italy , uh. the same great. uh, the uk is out. so the same germany france, uh, inflation there is about eight nine, the percentage is close to this. eh, to these marks. ah, today. it would seem uh for europe especially for germany uh, depreciation, the euro could be very profitable actually, why
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because it is always technologically advanced countries that are able to export their products abroad and the fall of uh currency, uh, which may, among other things, support significant imports may, under certain conditions, contribute to the growth of exports, but abandoning, uh, cheap energy resources, uh, and creating a situation of this tension on the gas market. uh, in fact, europe turned out to be pincers, because on the one hand, uh, it uh, hmm, it has an increase in the cost of imports, which it cannot refuse, because, uh, the cost of the gas received increases, and first of all, this leads to growth, and ?
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