deliberate yes, deliberate deception e tatyana to advise that you can just be more vigilant and attentive and still be prudent, if you are told that you are black or mail people, you know it is easier to turn to god and go to church and drink holy water. and it will be more of a guarantee that you will not lose such an amount of money, unfortunately, if tatyana viktorovna now turns to law enforcement agencies with a greater degree of probability. she will receive an ordinance refusing to prosecute chances, practically none. the fact is that this is the whole occult sphere. it is practically not regulated by law. i want to say that this is a story about deceived pensioners or elderly people. this is always one way or another a stone in the garden of children, therefore, i, perhaps, will simply end on the fact that alexander and anastasia, be attentive to your mother and grandmother. accordingly, she is sufficient today. true lies. it was the program. actually, i pass the word to the neighboring studio to the program. let them say, all the best. denouement

a high-profile story about the children of alexander abdulov , a complex dna examination has been completed, which will put an end to this dispute which of the two men who declared themselves illegitimate sons misled the artist. does the second person have the right to inherit? actor? this is the first channel good evening. i'm dmitry borisov on the air let them talk no wonder i believe in miracles, so many years. not in vain. i got up this morning, a little light dream came true. after all, if you are not a miracle, then, alas, there are no miracles in the world, nor a miracle, a star, theater and cinema alexander abdulov left life in 2008, but the passions around his name subside so far, two men at once said that they were supposedly the illegitimate sons of a people's artist recently

in the studio. let them say that the former lover of alexander abdulov, victoria ivanovskaya, appeared; she said that she found a photo of his illegitimate son in the jacket of the artists, talking on the phone. i say, well, how did they remember sasha? i say so many photos there were so many times we lived together and i tell her there is absolutely nothing left for me. so she says, you know, i have a jacket. sasha decided to climb into pocket. i didn't even understand at first. oh, and here's the photo. here's a photo, honestly. i had a shock in the photo was a certain alexander kovalev who soon made himself felt, and he claimed that he was struck by the revelation of his mother. she unexpectedly admitted that alexander abdulov himself was his father. under what circumstances did they meet, how much did they say? and when did it happen and where? i do n't know, but it's final. yes, from mom, yes, alexander abdulov is yours. what did she say? yes?

was roman and not to believe my mother? it's like i ca n't either. yes, they don’t joke with such things and don’t come up with sergey in st. petersburg, he also believes that his dad, alexander duola, also told him about this, his mother, shortly before his death, told him about an affair with a famous artist. my name is sergey viktorovich shupakova, and i am the son of alexander gavrilovich abdulov 4 years ago my mother was already dying, she was very ill, and she told me that there was a depth of alexander gavrilovich and i was their illegitimate son studio our program. i'm no worse off for a famous actor, and someone said emphatically that they're both scammers. i say for sure, sasha has one daughter, zhenechka, and now. uh, i just want anything, anyone to say. uh, i don't believe sasha

has any more children. we ran a dna test between sergei alexander to see if they are brothers. there is a zero percent chance that alexander and sergei are direct male relatives. and this means that you do not have one common biological father, that one of you at least erroneous, these results do not exclude the fact that indeed one of you may turn out to be the biological son of alexander abdulov. the relatives of the famous artist provided things for a dna examination for the purity of the experiment. we are for biomaterial in two laboratories at once. we examined the provided objects, personal belongings and household items of relatives. alexandra abdul is a shawl, presumably his mother, and we were able to establish genetic characteristics in these geological traces and compare them with others genetic characteristics of those people who

claim to be relatives. we started our own investigation, deciding to find out who alexander fields are. sergei whisper cohen, the confession of one woman turned out to be very curious . he to her once i saw him here with alexander abdulov, they told about the confessions of their mothers, but sergey’s mother didn’t become a few years ago, and alexander’s mother, according to his statement, will never dare to tell about it in public, but i understand that she is not ready. this is problematic. she don't know, no way in the world, probably not a shelter for her, this secret was supposed to

remain. mystery i came here to find out for sure yes or no. we decided to talk with the mother of alexander koval and arrived in ust-kamenogorsk, where there were many fans of our program. really. he may be the son he was, but they are similar visually. well, there is some general similarity. i put myself in this guy's place. and if my father is abdulov i. what does this option mean? the fact that this is a fictional story also cannot be ruled out, they told us where sasha's mom lives, and a lot of other things turned out that the alleged son alexander abdulov openly lied on the program. he, they say. there is a father and his name is viktor koval, they told us viktor what kind of character he is at all, he has never seen anything like that. merry agreed to introduce us to him, but he did not want to talk. stop, please, he

seems to be ashamed of his son, who decided to become famous in such a wild way, but why alexander kobolev was not ashamed to entrust the one who raised him. is he telling the truth? today we will understand this confusing story and finally, we will dot all the above and understand. which of the two alleged sons of abdulov is lying to us or are they both? so all the same, sons or impostors, at least one of them is lying. we know it. uh, trying to figure it out purposefully misleading everyone or deluding himself, but this story led us to 2 cities at once. we visited the homeland sergey shepatko in maykop and at home alexandra kovalya in ust-kamenogorsk, alexander abdulov's family friend irina anisimova in our studio. alexander koval of course alexander koval

irina anisimova irina arrived in our studio from ust-kamenogorsk good evening. i'm just making a point here. do you hear today? good evening, although i haven’t looked yet, even in the folder to pavel leonid even looked specifically in order to, uh, be objective, so to speak, today, only at the alleged lines, or what? known to you. well, i know vitya kovel, well, about 40 years already koval i know him like a forge. maybe i'm not talking. yes, i didn’t make a reservation, we always called them like kovel. i don’t know, maybe this is wrong, because they are two brothers. well, we called them. i don’t know, vitya and vitya and gena in general. three of them in the family were vitya gena and even younger. the most brother was some i do not remember his name. to be honest, because vitya and gena, they have been involved in sports with me

for many years, so we know all of them from there. and what kind of sport rowing, canoeing, wow. that is, you met rowing, yes, and you also know olga, respectively, we have known each other since they would have got married, they had sasha in eighty-six, respectively, eighty-five. ah, yes, that is, he was born in marriage, lived all his life in a complete family, he was born a year before marriage. why do you only excuse me, look this is olya , this is olga, yes? that same olga is so good, and this is alexander and sasha eighty-seventh. sorry say the wedding was 86. how many times have we seen here on the topic of similar. it's true, of course

i didn’t travel outside of kazakhstan at that time , the fact is that in our younger years we always walked somehow together, celebrated some holidays together. well alexander olya told us a completely different story. let's see how they met. at the odessa film studio, she is a seamstress by profession. she worked as a costume designer. and she customized the costumes on the actor, how did that happen? what details? i went into it, well, the very fact is that it happened there, they say, at a studio in ukraine, and after that they stopped communicating. after that, when project ended. she returned to kazakhstan, yeah. they didn't have any more contacts, but she tried to get in touch with him. the phone number of the letter, but she sent letters there to the film studio, because

she did not have a direct address to alexander, it was also impossible to get through directly. she sent it to him. she sent it to him. this was the last point after trying to contact him. that is, there she was answered for no. hmm call call back. well, after a while , she just sent my photo with hope. maybe he'll get in touch on his own. i think that if volya were somehow involved in the filming of a rather famous film, the whole city, at least, let him not say about his son . well, it’s just that she, if she is nearby, is her beloved husband, who, perhaps, didn’t know the truth himself and she didn’t want me to at least be on the set in some way. she would say for sure. if how much we still have sasha 's brother there. yes, you can see in the photo that there are two of them,

it’s just sasha has a brother, yes, a younger brother, and they just already told about him, but here you are, when last time i saw this family at the salt. we probably met somewhere on the street a month ago. oh, and well, nothing, we talked to her, like children, that she that sasha left for moscow lives in moscow and that’s all and tries somewhere to act in these masks, she goes to the casting, well, everything and more. well, alexander himself covariate that he just wants to find out the truth and do a dna test. year. i try myself in the cinema. i don’t need some kind of hype there or somehow use the name of alexander abdul abdulov yes, for some purposes, that is, we will find out whether it is true or

not, just find out the truth. yes, so far this hype said, i don’t need hype. all who always come. here everyone always needs hype. okay . maybe this is it. may be concerned. wait , let's do it, if what's wrong with it well, yes, well, yes, why not? why not? is it the same young man, uh, trying out for a movie? and yes , it's definitely a great story. same as was the son of spartak mishulin. yes, this is just the second series, no, but timur proved by dna, oh, how many months he listened to the same time and in the end. we don't know, even the children of lieutenant schmidt well, it happens, but about the movie. this didn't happen to me yesterday . why am i like that in the movies and like that. let's get on the show. here i seem to be like a desire to act in films. i have always been there since childhood, that's how the conscious age began.

i've always wanted to like cinema. i love soviet cinema, but in the place where i grew up, kazakhstan yes, there is an opportunity to be realized. it wasn't there initially, so i did n't move in that direction. and when you moved to moscow i have a higher education in economics team in moscow 3 years ago now there is a dice game. he has a blogger girlfriend, they are trying to gain likes in this way to earn themselves some kind of non-blogger all the time. so what? well, i'm also a blogger, but i 'll never hype and say that i'm someone's daughter there, you know, to be honest, popularity, when you yourself are just let it go even through the same extras, but no connector. and if this is true, such a question, i don’t know, no, no, uh, staged scenes, i don’t know alexander abdulov from the finns to know there with similar scenes or scenes. it was just more profitable for me there tiktok tick tock,

because this definitely won't work. you understand, the advertiser will not buy into such a tiktok. let me say now here is the piece of video that we had on the screens. it seems to me not very much, but i am a model by profession and have been in the modeling business for quite a long time. and there was a time when i i lived in kazakhstan, i didn’t live much, but my friends and colleagues remained, and after the release of the program, my friends called me and we discussed this topic. and they clearly told me that it was his, and her friend is a journalist, and that's it. it's made up. in order to be promoted even today. they make good money doing it. are they really that stupid? they didn’t know that channel one was being shown in kazakhstan, they didn’t know that rama let them talk on the air in kazakhstan and on channel one eurasia and that every evening it’s exactly the same the same as we have people collect their taps and watch, but if it's a hoax it will hide at one, two, three.

they just couldn't help but understand the screams. that's what this jacket found, she came up with everything and victoria lanovskaya. she found this jacket. and when she ended up there, this is a photograph, then she found this, as if the boy was victoria and what does that very albina think, by the way, who gave, in fact, initially, with whom albin dmitrievna , with whom everything began, which gave victoria's jacket, does she regret in general, because everything it started with this, and then there were articles, and then koval recognized himself, which means articles in articles, and then here in the studio he also met sergey . was alexander abdulov ever there? you see, if, for example, he would know that his son would probably be there and visit him. he is such a person, well, of course, yes, and we were told that they found the forces of people who say they got it, and the troops of

kamenogorsk to us. here is the answer to that question. well, from this ferghana, where is he from? can get here? i know that i’m still with you, i’m music and i was engaged in serving as a paratrooper of the tula division there we performed in gorky park and everyone knows he came here in ust-kamenogorsk, he was touring in a casino, he played. everything screwed up. daughter, the men have not killed here. well, there was here. the appearance of at least a question of a professional there was not surprised honestly. the whole house was not surprised, firstly, the casino was the same abdullah his name was, and we also knew him abdullah yes, well, how old was he then when he was there appeared in the mustache of nagorsk, in this 18 years old 5 seconds, yes, according to the version according to alexander koval, but still they started spinning in odessa, they are in ust-kamenogorsk, she was filming at a film studio, when the film was being shot, then, and then he was born in

eighty-seventh year. uh, already, it means that they moved back and lived, which means that they should stop by there. he could already, anytime from the eighty-seventh there to the 2000s, we understand this theoretically, but purely theoretically a very good exercise for the mind, you won’t figure it out at all. especially two sons. i'm already confused this one lives in maikop in kamennogorsk. he sees no, well, he lived in maikop, he was born. sergey , you know, you know, there is a story when two applicants are definitely lying. and in principle, it’s immediately clear who a and not so interesting, it’s amazing here. yes, opinions are divided, and so more carefully all those involved, someone is cautious, is cautious in relation to sergey, they say that well, that one, probably, i don’t know there is a scammer, but i found bloggers that i decided to hype, and this musician, i'm telling the truth, and vice versa this one is understandable. there's a traveling theater, everything's going on, and that one, uh, such a sincerely honest guy and in general,

look him in the eye. can this be a lie. uh, alexandra tolkhigova is joining us, huh? good evening. hello, you also came to us from there. good evening. there you are and by the way, a blogger, and who is not, as we have already said, and much more? i know that everyone is interested in ust-kamenogorsk, and it has become interesting for you too. well, lie or not? well, a person cannot really lie on the air of the federal channel, knowing that the program is exactly the same. let they say it comes out in kazakhstan, as in russia. that is, if he is lying, then everyone will immediately come and say, he is lying, why did he watch your first program, then the journalists wanted to make their own

story. uh, in general, well, for us, it was such a pleasant event, you know, that in fact, we have a famous son, well, as if an actor, and when we started our investigation, i published, that is, an excerpt and, well, we began to look for relatives of acquaintances and we started to write everything in the comments that you like it he doesn’t have a father he has a complete family, he has father. we know their family and we have already begun to contact, well, with those readers, yes, who contacted us and conducted their investigation, but went to find out, where kol lives. we went home and began to ask the neighbors already. and who knows his family, and it turned out that all his life, yes, he lived with his father and mother, which became very interesting, how it turns out, that is, here he says on the program that he has never been with his father about told this. let's remember. dad in general in life there was no no. i lived with

mom. yes, she raised me, she raised me, that is, there were no more men in my mother's life before this story, in general, who is dad? and someone from somewhere asked, yes, what did he say, mom, i asked in childhood, as a schoolboy. i also asked this to my mother, this conversation was unpleasant and subsequently. i didn't bring up the subject again. that is, i accepted it as it is. she said that her father lived in another country. what does he do? she didn't usually say that, as it happens. how many times have we discussed, yes, it happens that mom is lonely, who bring up uh children. yes, he begins to invent some stories that, i don’t know, he went on a long voyage. um, a tv, len flew into space anywhere, yes, well, it doesn’t matter, it ’s impossible for an astronaut there, but to see dad, but i told you, it’s just on the other side and all the details. she does not know what he is doing, that is, dad even unconsciously, who is this simple. where would i look for it, but now in our time i don’t know what

people just don’t do. they find there was no information. and yes, that is, you know, i myself am a graduate orphanage and i can say that it can be, but when we do not have parents, yes, with one of the children we can invent or look for parents. but when we are with living parents, we are brought up with our father and mother and say that i did not have a father. i lived alone here already, it's just not his father and his family language. and imagine for a second that this is true, and he tells us that he grew up without a father, because, well, uh, he believes that if he says that he had victor's mother's husband and raised him as if he were a father, i immediately to him says he's terrible. and if it's true that he was still very much let him not be the biological father. and very of course, he had to

tell it for sure. you are even very cool. it’s just that i never had a father lived together crazy didn’t say that he has, my brother is in the studio today to disgrace himself. we all remained a witness. yes, as the first channel held. uh, perfect investigation. it seems to me that this person is alexander in my opinion. uh, liar and deceiver and visible, uh, to the naked eye. what is he for? does? so on the other hand. this is a family secret that seems to have surfaced, and he saw it in the newspaper, decided to tell, then everyone around everyone knows, his neighbors all know the official history, such a beautiful picture everyone wants to live. there in complete families. here i was watching the previous program. he really is. ah, so true. uh, such a shy boy, such a downright, yes, play touchy and it looks like construction here, and then it turns out, uh, a bunch of witnesses. he generally

not good at all and there is nothing, nothing, first of all, no one believed anything, that there is nothing to play everywhere there, he lied. he, like all measured testimony, did not agree with him. it seems to me that if he is an ethereal deceiver, then he is someone's victim. here in this story. he does not yet know whose sacrifice it is, because we are all globally mistaken, and then we will have to ask for forgiveness. i don't know sasha and his mother. and if it suddenly turns out that we ask, you understand. sorry old man. we were wrong, where is alexander himself now koval learn immediately after a short pause. stay let them talk. tonight we are celebrating the anniversary of the outstanding director karen

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dmitry borisov, well, why are we all waiting for the denouement ? he and no one needs him a world in which people do not need each other. let two men say they declared themselves the sons of people's artist alexander abdulov final yes from my mother, that yes alexander abdulov is your father of my mother. it’s like i can’t either. three years ago, my mother already had a letter from you, she was violently ill, and she told me that if alexander gavrilovich was already so strange for me to listen to this, because

he had not been alive for many years, and i asked why he didn't tell me. she says you were in another city. you were there the debate was engaged in a group of her she did not want to just upset me. some of the facts are stated by alexander koval and sergey to feel the kobo, the respondents decided to check ours and went to where they live and learned a lot of interesting things. here he says. that's what he says, abdulov's surname is abdulov ugu, and his wife says that he lives in this house. here nachal says he lives, his wife's name says her nina, her son remembered that stocks came. i once saw him here at nina's or not, who is this? she says, mom lives the whole family

alexandra koval's mother is the younger brother, and, it seems, the father, who did not disappear anywhere from the life of his son, but raised him from birth. that he is a gap there, but such a talker, a bastard. you see, here he is a hard worker, just a simple one. well, we call them there, well, who works for themselves? it is he who now works in vodokanal vodokanal as a mechanic, neighbors and friends of koval's family, all as one say that he has a complete family and you cannot be such that he turns out to be the son of abdullov in the morning to watch the news on the internet. look, oh, my son abdulova the opinion that he got in touch with someone in moscow somewhere and someone thought up his child. oleksandr's father , viktor koval, did not speak to

our correspondents. he was clearly not happy about being asked to comment on what his son had said. what have we learned about alexander himself and his parents? is it true that his mother knew alexander abdulov and what angered close friends of the family? let's all say so at the mercy of alexandrov, before that. let's hear, after all, that the colleagues of that same victor with whom they tried to introduce us, and already mutual acquaintances could not be told once. victor koval i know for the fourth year at work a good person specialist always helps always good-naturedly and they don’t smile at all so that he is closed in himself. i am mainly interested in sports, and viktor and i are mostly interested. we talk about sports, how do you like it because he loves sports. everyone who is purely skiing with him, as an athlete, these

ideologies are nothing. in general, he walks away from this conversation. actually in the soul. no one's climbing, at all exactly this. come to the base, you see, mother of the competition i have not seen. but look, he works as a mechanic at vodokanal and i must say that he has excellent colleagues who themselves do not know how to react to the situation, honestly everyone tried. uh, to introduce us to victor and they talked about the fact that he is an athlete, you see, they mention skiing. you told us about kayaking here, he's always interested in different guys. well, in general, a very good person, very good. everybody. yes, everyone says that a very good person because he was shy he saw the camera of channel one. now i forgot at work. yes, you talk to him. don't

be afraid, please? and why are there two options saying that well, either two options or a terrible thing happens and the son, with his father alive, e in the back, says this to the whole country, all countries, which means that they are watching let them say, ah and or slav yes, but it's even worse there. here, to be honest, if he finds out the truth, probably such an uncle, just, probably, well, it's just the same horror, it turns out. if suddenly it's true, he doesn't know, well if for him a big blow for a man, yes, two options, yes, which both will destroy the lives of this family, that is, the boy destroyed the life of his parents with ease, that is, dad, in fact, may begin to suspect his wife. well, they just

say that a wonderful family is great to be discussed, but it doesn’t look like the whole country and criticize. i didn’t come here for the doubles contest, right. well, this is your business card, no matter how a copy, yes, there, who has parents, you know perfectly well how much you duplicate your parents. you can radically differ from them completely in general, be completely different from them. some kind of hype or somehow use the name of alexander abdul abdulov yes, for some kind of purpose. that is, we will find out whether this is so or not? it's easy to find out the truth we find out the truth. yes, so far this hype said with hype. i do not need. everyone who comes here. everyone here always needs a hype. okay , maybe, how, how, what to do? horror. you know , family history, it can be completely different. i'm like a

person who has been in reproduction for 20 years i can say that here only the great science of genetics will answer everything for us. and even when we do , let's say programs with donor material in the family. we can have children who are like two drops of water similar to the parents who raise them and at the same time they have nothing to do with them genetically. and at the same time, some romantic stories also happen. so i think, deeply respected professor of genetics, only we will dot all. but when you spoke with victor a's colleagues, i must say there. well, in general, those doubts even in at some point it began to slip in them, although, in general, they are of course. uh, they say that they never doubted that sasha was growing up, he is from childhood, that he is a son, you see? it’s all right that alexander viktorovich that no one had any doubts even now, therefore, there, they have, and everyone themselves have a shock in general, by nature they don’t rage at anything. and i

've never seen anything like this, cheerful. if even somewhere there we would have gathered here yesterday for me money or the dog for everything else, everyone had their duty with the competition. here they are with my wife also threw out all sorts of numbers there. the thing is , i introduced them. some kind of model for a studio, what do people hear? why did he do this ? this sasha is not he himself decided. bricks or cars should now fall on the video. here it must be brought down that it is not there. well, it's his child, his child. yes, this is stopudovo, he raised him from childhood. viktor kovalya is worried about him, for his father oleksandr koval, they say that, well, this is a blow, of course, for him. why yes on all sides and if yes, and if not in general, for this somehow e will have to. i don’t know how to answer my son in front of my dad, or there my son in front of

a man whom i raised as a dad, they asked here, where is alexander koval himself to be torn apart. we have a lot of questions for him, where is he. maybe he's ashamed. why is it not pr, if well, a person, true, he pretends to be another person, in fact, and he is the whole country below himself. what is not, a corner? of course not. i'm like a lawyer, yes, a professional lawyer. here is my colleague, and the man absolutely uh, chooses a phrase he thinks what he is saying. he understands what he has got in touch with and that really, uh, honor and dignity are protected, including personal life, so the person is very careful, there are practically no questions to him, but he continues. and if you get tired of the fact that he is lying, and somewhere on social networks he says that information that

is not true. he can be attracted in a civil yes order, but if it really turns out from the govar, yes, then uh, that information can really be attracted fasten. we've already said if the guy really doesn't see the picture in the newspaper. a. well, really, he says my picture. this is what my mom signed. yes, the father in his belly you grow him to do dna with his father, but i saw the photograph found. then he comes to the studio and says that he grew up without a father all his life. well, yes, if he asked his mother, and she told him, but it seems to me that his parents are just ashamed. he may have warned them and said there mother, i want to achieve fidelity at any cost, do not touch me. yes, you were not aware at all, just this situation, that is, they recognized the tv from the tv of his girlfriend, or he himself, maybe this fictional story was planned by their parents. they just didn’t know, that’s why the father’s behavior is understandable, yes, vika

invented everything elena bedenko girl alexandra in our studio today. good evening. hello i remember that alena is here thank you elena or alena we are all confused here. where is alexander tell alexander is not yet ready to talk to you very much. no, i think he will be ready, but still not time. still. tell us, please, all the evil is from you. why do i need it? i'm busy with my life, and right now i have a very busy schedule of relationships with you, so they didn't talk very much in detail. right now, alexander is not there yet, and i don’t know, he

doesn’t bother you. who is embarrassing whom, though it is not clear, your version of the event, what happened after all? so once again on the shelves, so that vyacheslav samorodnikov, who missed our last program, for example, or else understand what happened in the life of alexander kovale last place, please, honestly, because anyway , you will open everything, that everything will come with it and tell. i am here i can answer only those questions that i will be asked a question. how did you see it? what happened in the life of alexandrov in the last place? i don't know how he read the newspaper. you were next to him at that moment. yes, i was with him. that is, he considered the article saw. i saw it all that happened to him. here's how it was. you have seen his condition. it is depressed. it was at home in our apartment where we live. that he was attacked. yes, we are on our phones every day. and just like that, the

news is popping up, as it was on your part. just saw a photo in the newspaper, my childhood photo. no, well, not my direct photo. i generally read the news. so i found the article and read it. just like an article. i didn't expect to see my photo. then, when i finish reading the photo , at first you think, in general, it’s really not ours. whether i'm in the photo or not, then you realize that this is really my photo. i have such baby photos. and this photo too. do you have something like that, right? in my opinion, whether on this same sofa. perhaps there is exactly the same photo. i also remember this striped shirt with striped socks. this is me. well, i'm not. i'm just trying to imagine, but if you see your photo in the newspaper, they pass it off as something that some famous person alexander abdulov wore in his jacket pocket. oh, what's next is very

difficult to convey, then the state of the bouquet of emotions is the main one. i was more by and large dumbfounded, then there at first does not believe that this is my photo here trying. you re-read this article again and think, maybe i didn’t read something there, maybe something is wrong, well, you can’t take such photos from the internet, yes, and i also understand this, in fact. it's really very exciting when you see your last name, yes, and no matter how many years it lasts. i'm so heartbroken. you think you wrote some garbage again. this is apparently some kind of dependence on these newspapers. as a specialist, i am speaking now, in fact. yes as he says, so immediately, depending on the hype. i think they most likely came here for themselves. here's to get this here's a pleasure and then read in the newspapers about yourself, of course. here we are dependent, but no one thought, but his parents. no, the parents were not there at the moment when

he looked at what was written again two more times , a child's photograph, a child's photograph was written looking for a boy. we are looking for a boy. you didn't know he had parents. i didn't know how, but he came here. said he had no dad. why did he say so? because first of all, whatever you say here. sasha appreciates and loves his family very much, and he protects them from all possible negativity, which is now arranged by the first channel, when he came to visit us unexpectedly to sasha's family. oh, and sasha tells us there is no dad, but everyone calls, hundreds of people call, and with ears like there is no dad, when there is, dad went to check. we believed the people of the hero of the country, and they and my mother and i thought that the dna examination would be here at the end of the first issue. all after we started touch his parents. he doesn't want to

talk to anyone else at all. well, you understand that this is real life, and not just a show, that when a person tells us about real people that there are none, and real people call us. they say that people there is a photograph, he didn’t want to involve his father at all, so that it would be somehow mentioned or just if he told us that there is a dad, you see, who raised everything there, as best, but it turns out, how worse . he didn't want to answer many questions. listen to him girlfriend, you kept him here on the last transfer. and you didn't tell him either. why are you lying? you have a pope, but he is such a person, he wanted a traitor. yes, in my life i have not seen in your world the channel was shown a tv. he we never express ourselves. dad is two people. let them speak in kazakhstan well, they explained the transfer, of course.

look, hello, we are arranged, like everything we do in general. we usually try to help people who address us in the same way, when there was all this newspaper story and then it appeared, and need all the same, how to check somehow. it 's uh, we decided to help too, thank god there is. e, there is albin dmitrievna, irina to her, well, the people who agreed, even went to meet the representatives of the family of alexander abdulov, in fact, both alexander and sergey in order to be able to check everything, this help is help, but in the same way we people from ust-kamenogorsk call, they say, you guys are lying to us, that under channel one the head is lying, they write there that they are telling some nonsense. he has there dad. i tell my colleagues. let's check went to ust-kamenogorsk. that's how it works. but you say you asked him to tell the truth. he decided to keep quiet and just wanted to protect. no, it was a matter of protection, because i tell you.

excuse the arrogance here. there is no need to apologize to me, nor to the other, apparently, it’s already completely ashamed after all. and here you are. here, take it away. he wanted to save his dad. yes, having refused it, and therefore you say that in the last issue a person discovered his childhood photo, he was brought for transmission. he also does not particularly know how to desire the family secret that was revealed to him because of this transfer of colleagues, usually with stun guns with handcuffs, the heroes are turned on behind the scenes. yes, she knows, because to get dna how much she was tortured and i hope, well, well, i just have a child for the sake of my daughter, you know? i mean, after all, i’m a person. you are alone by force and

moreover, ask questions, no one asks, i don’t know how to lie or says that these are just questions , some answers are attached to them. can i ask? that's what my mother says, she is not ashamed of her mother, that she turned out to be unfaithful to her husband. and it seems to me that my mother herself will answer this question. if she matures, let's see what alexandra told mom to us on the last broadcast, the mothers of our heroes can join the study, but, accordingly, sasha's mom is meant in this situation, but as i understand it, she is not ready for this, as long as it is problematic for her it is to come on the program to tell the whole country how it happened. especially the people of the soviet era, not the case for me to go, that is, for to her, this secret had to remain a secret. i came here to find out, for sure yes or no. as i tell you. we thought that in that issue there would not be an interview with sergey, but oh, not an interview, but a

dna examination. and what do we find out the answer and do you understand from mom? you came to us, you know, it’s just that there are dna results, but you cannot make them public today, for example, without sasha it turns out. consensus interesting interesting interesting twist. i wonder if i can discard. here sit down. yes, because we need it. we have many heroes we all need, and yet, who leads us to delusion sergey pack or alexander koval which of them can be the illegitimate son of a people's artist, and who lies after advertising? stay let them talk. reception

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speak? and when did it happen and where? i do n't know, but it's final. yes, from my mother, that yes alexander abdulov your father abdulov doubted the sincerity of alexander, i am sure that these men are not. these are scammers who want to promote themselves at the expense of his last name and first name, he said that his mother raised him and he didn’t say his father knows, the pope in general in a life there was no any any. yes, she raised me, she raised me, that is, more men in my mother's life. no, before this story, in general, who is the father of my mother , this conversation was unpleasant and subsequently. i didn't bring up the subject again. that is, i accepted it as it is. she said that her father lived in another country. she didn’t say what he does, but

after the release of the program , people who know oleksandr viktor koval’s father began to contact our editorial office. i know this family, and i’m fine familiar with the father of the sweater, this is the koval family. we set off just from ust-kamenogorsk. where alexander comes from and found out that sasha has a complete family, mom olga is a housewife, dad victor works as a locksmith. in addition, alexander claimed that he had a higher education, according to family friends, and this is a lie. he studied here, here is a braid or something, this is this drive. here he is for about 4 years or three or four years. so he didn’t finish his master’s degree, alexander kolya’s father didn’t dare to talk to our film crew. as the parents of the girl alexander koval, alena adedenko , according to neighbors or alena decided to take patronage from sasha, brought him to moscow now, they say, she is trying in every possible way to break through to the big screens with him. for several years now, the girl has been living in

moscow, participating in screen tests, but so far she has not become a successful actress. will you be able to become stars or not? so i told you how you can actually quickly break through to the screens, so go ahead and friends, nothing what they pay and not so much. did she make sasha give own parents for the sake of scandalous fame, or maybe alexander's mother knew the truth about alexander abdulov and that friends and neighbors do not know the whole truth that the dna test will show denis and ksenia ryboreva are joining us, but alena tells us nobody knows the family. good evening. hello everyone. my name is denis, this is my wife ksenia it's very nice to know alexander and his family, well, since childhood, from the very beginning. my father was their

friend at the wedding, then he was born. this was sasha in eighty-seven, eighty-six 87 was born. yes, brother, brother ilya, he was born in the ninety-fourth year for 7 years. he is younger than alexander and this, well, as it were, i was engaged in rowing with him and sasha. anisimov sergey so tell us now you do not admit that maybe all this was a beautiful picture to show that there is, uh, a husband and wife, that everything is fine with them, that they have two sons. that it could still be one of them, maybe not related to victor no, i absolutely don’t allow this at all, not the only thing was a shame for his father vitya because he i didn’t know the last one before your release, three years before the release, even the transfer itself. first there were newspaper articles. let's not uh change

the fact that it was also very loud. yes, it turns out that my father and i were driving in a car and my mother calls. our wife papa always talks on the speakerphone , that until now olga koval and dad are talking here on the speakerphone and involuntarily. it’s just that i heard all this, as if mom were a witness, she began to tell that she sent a video to her dad on whatsapp and asks mish did you look, he says, ir while i drive once, i’ll stop, i’ll definitely look. well, apparently a person in such impatience began to actively tell that there is such an interesting video about sasha koval that he comes out as the illegitimate son of abdulov and that's it. and then the

father said, what kind of nonsense is some kind of nonsense. i knew that you would react like that, especially since olga asked not to tell anyone anything. everything should be kept only a secret. well apparently, they had to hold back had to tell, but apparently not all the secrets. she told. well, you better know not the main secret. this is what for how much you can sell your own father for the sake of some kind of pr. here. i think that he was influenced by the hypnosis of a woman who brought this white snow-white jacket from albina and victoria, of course, posted this photo. and if and if a she met him, boy, how you look like abdulov, there may be such an option, you look like sasha and that's it and there the thought arose, because only they are sasha's fans. here she is. let's look at the first look, it seems that these people are not acquaintances met for the first time. alexander koval good evening

hello, hello. hello dimitri victoria. thanks for finding the photos. now there is an opportunity to find out by father. how was it of you, just saw the photo in the newspaper and oh my childhood photo. no, well, not my direct photo. i generally read the news. so i found the article and read it. just like an article, i didn't expect to see my photo. there are no docking people who are like uh hypeers. i like that very term. they hype everything, that is, they try to give out everything. that is, they would not have failed, and victoria would now be sitting here with us and talking. yes, i found i then them and what, and what's the difference, any pr. a feast if only they would say, well, they were scared if they believe in this is why they

didn’t come today, didn’t sasha not vika, did he understand? if so, sasha koval, what is going on, and what, when we first saw this, when this video was made, i filmed it and they told me that all the means in moscow were well removed from the tv. i just said, mom, what about you have to say? i gave birth from abdul vova mom must say this, i took it off the tv when i saw your program. well, i'm just saying something. it's not in vain that i tell you sanka's father, he doesn't remember victor at all, as it were, yes, and so, here it is mine with olga koval. here it is a temporary correspondence outside. my words. well, you bark wet for glory, all methods are good, moscow is like that, and this is what i went. here they wrote that in moscow there is to moscow about yes, this is an organ. what factory account? you paid me, didn't you? me yes me just me

i came here because i'm offended. it was precisely for victor that your meanness betrayed your father. the truth will be revealed, then you will speak differently. that's all, the truth of the statement, the truth, can sit down. let's imagine for a second. and suddenly it's true. look, but the parents grew up in a different state, they are different, they have a different, i don’t know, a different upbringing. here they are, well, they can’t get out of themselves, yes, what could be there, however, olga once wrote this photograph, of course, this is a small city. yes, mom instructed, ra-horns to dad, yes, and it has now become clear. sasha, of course, talked to her. i couldn’t say everything there, but imagine what it’s for, uh, colleagues. uh, victor yes victor his name is yes dad, and they are all in shock and the whole city is in shock, what am i telling you. you yourself know, of course, this is a scandal, of course, this is horror and the main thing for the father. no, father. it's a pity in any situation. in any case, how not to look? yes

, because they began to look for my father here in moscow. so i need your help. if so, i will speak. so-and-so, don't interfere with me. most the main thing is, let's do it this way, that is, you are sure that everything olga said, called, wrote to friends and acquaintances. she simply missed it. here i can say abstractly. if you and i will have some kind of connection am i going to tell all my friends and girlfriends or with alexander petrov, let's say the most beautiful actor or with some other person. i will not tell anyone in the world about this, neither mom nor dad anyone. it will only be my secret. if a child is born that grows up and says mama i want to know the truth. i will now go to the first channel and i will tell and my mother will tell him to tell him. yes, it’s true, son, but people also wrote to us, called people talking about sasha himself, who he is, how we talked. what do the neighbors remember about sasha

, he watched tv, he says he has a higher economic education. what an economist- i've already talked to him. he wanted to work with me. and you help me get settled. i say you can manager manager. what is a manager? i say we have no less we have a specialist. if you will work as an installer on a thirty-meter marks, take more throw further another way, moscow acting. why not has the right, but on the other hand? listen, whoever can refuse anyone at any age has the right to start something new, and we are approaching the denouement, and a couple are now preparing a folder, but before you still find out the truth albina voice that the widow of brother alexander abdulov is joining us roberta albina dmitrievna gave the same jacket to victoria ladovskaya. and now raking is called, because it was brewed, this porridge turned out to be with you suddenly unexpectedly. good evening, what will happen now?

what fool? can you imagine what you've done? again. you see, you call names right away? no, you told me so yourself, really, you can say so, because yes, yes. yes. just like a human being would give , uh, called. vika asked for something from sasha and promised to come in the summer. in general, i arrived in november for 15 minutes and gave her a jacket. i think, for god's sake, for many years something will happen to me and throw it away, like a significant jacket, and everything was on me. i took pictures with me and left, and suddenly i find out there, uh, i'm somewhere in a magazine with her somewhere. in the newspaper in the komsomol and on the internet and they even wrote that i was allegedly still a relative of a relative.

sasha abdulova yes, yes, according to the photo. well, there were boys. i call sasha and say, sasha what is it like calling her? vicky i say, is that it? what's the story? i just gave you the jacket, and it was some kind of horror, and i immediately said that there are no illegitimate children of sasha and please, young men at the age of seryozha and women so young do not take the air, please, in vain, because sasha does not have children born out of wedlock, he has only one daughter. zhenya did everything, while many also referred to the words of larisa steinman, one of the beloved alexander

abdulov ah, who, after the program , told us that she was lying, because why the mendeleevskaya metro station was here 20 years ago, the medical center came there and came with white material. sasha gave him for tests. well, so special, like a test tube yes, a special plastic jar, i clamped it under my armpit, because it had to be kept warm. i remember that it was necessary that the body temperature was clamped under the armpit. yes, i never went anywhere. he did not go to any medical centers, so i went myself. well, the doctors said that due to either age or his lifestyle , they said, well, they said, here there is a small aspect that these motile spermatozoa are lowered. i remember it. seriously, for the sake of the child,

something had to be done. for this. i needed to be treated. i am did not do this. here larisa says she was the most pr that she has a daughter from sasha, it’s not clear here, yes, everyone says different things, but at the same time wait for her sweater, and that’s all and then, when she was told by dna that this is not a daughter, and she only smiled. it just makes me uncomfortable. there is even a look at her. so, you see, yes, everyone says, there these were vika larisa , what, how is it with him, maybe he drank there and everything else, he and yulia also received guests, all the women drank the same, you know, this god gave them this child. sasha wanted so much and that's it. the rest is just jealousy. eh, it depends, yes, yulia herself

told how she and alexander found out about the pregnancy in the case we were in krasnaya polyana sasha filmed. i'm totally random somehow. eh, there is some way to throw control, what happens to the body? here it is. i went out and told him about it, he looked. lightning doesn't speak. it's your ulcer. i say, well, no. he says that's what i think i'm talking about. well, you understand, yes, he is like that, yes, he sat down in his eyes so tearfully gases, and he drove not very well at all. i can immediately tell, so i thought that i could die a brave death right there in the car. well, that's all. we arrived home. we sat down, he says, well, wave a glass. yes, i say, it seems to me, as it is no longer possible. i say, come on. well, what are you going to do ? so i say, i don't even know. well, let 's act according to the situation. i say, well, not otherwise, as there are no other options, only according to the situation. here is the love that was it all before

my eyes. it was all with me, so here it is there was such love all the same friends say that when zhenya was some kind of light there was happiness, that yes, something just voice life is all. i'm here, as if zhenechka and walked. uh, there sasha, come on, he's sick. all uh, there i bring it, he sits on the couch, but if yes, i'll hold it a little. how much love, how much warmth, how much affection in his eyes? looking at zhenya for now. this is mine, the most amazing, the most beautiful, because a creature in the world. she does not cry, absolutely nothing at all, because if no one pays attention to me, then she can do that, but they say that like this? why only at this level? what happened to you? such a sly look and zhenya, after all, it seems, that was. well, she's a little bit now, but all

the same, she was bigger when, well, like a girl. so small, she looks more like sasha, their mother, when they came there to us. well, not so much bigger, already there in the fourth grade or when they came to us. that's where i live now and we lived with lyudmila alexandrovna. here they are, grandmother and granddaughter. here's one face. that's ja- it's a pity that i didn't save it, because i didn't think there would be moments like this. no one is asking for this yet, thank you. god to prove everything to us, yes, that's good. that's so many people. it 's true. no. you know alexander abdulov how much he loved. and in general, it was an incredible happiness. it's time to find out the truth a short advertisement will pass very quickly the results of the dna examination. on the first will you be with us very soon? a day under fire on the

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under the code name, allegedly the illegitimate son of alexander abdulov number two. uh, he sent his official representative to us, he didn’t come himself, but alyona is with us. alena the head of the family yes, yes, but for the sake of children they often repeat the steps of their parents. well, it happens like that, how then olga, if she allowed such a strong one, in general, all this is simple, because the person even see this victor said not to communicate, as if this is all, because the person didn’t know this absolutely. i only for him that, they say, everyone did. ust-kamenogorsk was stirred up incorrectly. there, yes, they went to work, they found out to dad there, and mom and in general, how unpleasant they are. and what is it like now for yul and zhenya, you thought from the other side. this is a double- edged sword, you know, there is a family, alexandra abdullov, who also understands, of course, everything is a

public person. who muddied this? all published. sasha in the photo, who posted it? olga sent sasha in moscow well, it turned out that the jacket turned out to be. ust-kamenogorsk fast forward before. how to find out the results of ah, i remind you, the last dna test. uh, it seemed that sergei and sergei shapotko alexander kohl were alleged. uh, the illegitimate children of alexander abdulov are not paternal brothers among themselves, which means that one of them is definitely lying alone, but the neighbors, uh, in ust-kamenogorsk, and sometimes were emotionally talking to us. bastard. see, he's a hard worker. just just a negro. well, we call them there, well, who works for themselves? it is he who works at vodokanal now. he provided the sybil. well

, they have a small apartment. well now bought some. here he goes, they do not die of hunger. and the fact that they were all grown up did not want to work. i don't know if he needed it all, he's spoiled or how the hell is he, well, in shock. see, he's a normal guy. he's just such a fast day and night posh-works good guy. honestly, i'll tell you. if it weren't for him, i don't know how, but this is the most important core in the family is not bad. well, i don't know, and with whom there's nothing bad about him. will tell me. no, i personally yes, personally unpleasant to me and my father unpleasantly, i don’t feel sorry for him. well, but on the other hand, imagine what all these people will be like, uh. if yes, we have seen

a different field no so sergei shachkov. let's tell, after all, yes, how, if it's convenient for you, you can, if you're embarrassed, everyone is peeping, see me say it again, let's come to me here so that they don't peep ahead of time, so it 's okay now my phone, so nothing scary so, so. we can convincingly enough now that our colleagues bring what we have so much , and another laboratory has done fast-quick-quick. and i did this before showing that you calmed down, that in general, this was done in order to obtain confirmation that, for example, the glasses really belonged. ah, one of the relatives. irina yuryevna carried out the so -called sibling dna test, with which irina's genetic profiles were compared with the profile obtained from the things she provided. and there is the

result. and what is most likely to be siblings sister 99.96 hundredths of a percent, this is based on the results obtained, it can be assumed that the things really belong to viktor abdulov's brother and rita, i remind you what we had to do. yes, here is the red square . this is alexander gavrilovich abdulov, where is he? e irina yurievna yes alexander here is her brother. uh-huh departed victor uh-huh yes, here is the shawl that belonged to, that is, the alleged grandmother of these two green squares, one of which is present here, the other is missing, there was a lot of discussion about it. here are the diagrams that should have been, decipher we decipher genetic terms. and here i literally marked with a pencil now. here is the first experiment, since

we had accessibility. uh, there was no biological material for sergei, and we started the second person with him. and they simply compared it with the biological material that was seized from a women's shawl, a shawl belonging to abdulov's mother, that is, like a grandmother, like a supposed grandmother, yes, the result is about 130 times less likely than the version that sergey is the grandson of this women than the version about the fact that he is not her relative, well, as if a stranger, this is a female line, and we all know about the y chromosome , the expert's skill lies in the fact that non -specialists could not discuss whether it is female this line is masculine or it is either wrong or some patterns are applied. no, the expert gives you the result. that's what he knows, what line, what he investigated. what conclusions

did 99 and 25 average hundredths of the probability that sergei is not the grandson of this woman, who left her biological marks on the shawl. it can be said that we do not know for certain which woman left marks on the shawl that belonged to abdulov's mother. it could have been small, but it could have been someone else's points in order to get a conclusive result by a direct method is incredible. there, statistically, we made a comparison in the male line. here's a free gift to your favorite game. well, now we see, we know the result that victor really is. uh, the glasses were provided by irina yuryevna victor's wheelbarrows victor is her brother and the male line goes back through her grandfather through the supposed grandfather, that is, gabriel yes, uh, to alexander abdulov, that is, they

must have the same genetic line, like this, yes these two men have this. sergei we have e has e, provided a biological object. therefore, we could establish these data ourselves about the second defendant koval, we took the results from the same gold that you provided us, so we had data here, a question of trust or not, but nevertheless, we had all the fullness information needed and compared. well, the fact that they are not brothers was known before, this is confirmed. yes, they are not brothers, they have different fathers, and neither of them has anything to do with the genetic line of y-chromosomes alexander abdulova, they are both strangers in accordance. uh, with these documents. it turns out that sergey shepatko is not the son of alexander abdulov, at least not

a relative under dna, but of those people who wore glasses, is not a half-nephew of the person whose glasses and shirts were to us granted, if these shirt glasses yes were worn and left traces on them by viktor yuryevich, then sergey is not a patrol relative. viktorovich no nephew, no grandchildren. hello, i agree with my need for disclosure. in this issue, an outsider. we simply divulged data that what turned out to be nothing for the laboratory, nothing has anything to do with alexander abdulov. it has no relation. one person says he is this person. and we say he's not that person. you just protect him like that voluntarily handed over the samples and gave a signature for

the examination. wait, he publicly stated no. no need to shield him girl. we all saw about glasses and shirts victor if you feel so calm, let's say that the biological materials of these people, that is, these people who handed over, i tell you, are not relatives of those who wore glasses wore a ball. well, no names. yes, i specifically clarify that with a shawl the result is probabilistic, it is 99.2 130 times the excess of one another, but then to confirm this negative result, a direct test was made on the game chromosome. it's not likely if it's just negative, hence the shawl. well, this is an orientation, in principle, everything is clear. you were afraid for ah. yulia and zhenya i hope now you have peace of mind that i have finally allowed you. right now, this situation, yes, what if someone else appears, but then there are hopes, they won’t

appear anymore, and ben-litra will not give any jacket to anyone and thanks that we have pavel ivanov , experts, that this is here, perhaps, to carry out everything, but to look and dmitry ask a question tell me please, but when did quantum victoria arrive? yes, here it is the village. yes, you live in a village. tell me, please, did she immediately go to the closet or not. she will treat you a little. no, i arrived. we immediately took pictures here and there, we have a lot of swings there, that’s all, they just take vnukov away. now vyacheslav from sergey sasha uh stood accusations, i want to know what to find out how photography is. she did not forget herself sergey sergey sergey you still heard the result, you heard the expert. what do you say, i can not dispute. i'm in it at all i don't understand, so i just have to understand that, well, in some way, to some extent, to some extent,

i am not and i did not pretend to anything. you said you wanted to change your passport to become sergey abdulov well , i probably won't change my passport now. maybe i don’t know if in seventy what year i went there to another neighbor, who next time will come and say that they will stop abdul maybe hello . hello, what do you recommend doing this? sasha now? ask he was asked, but just doesn't come. you see, no, he is ready to make contact, ready to go for dna ready to go for examination. well , it looks like he's already written everything. and you personally everything. that is, you think that it is necessary all the same once again, in order to attract, i was sure that this is straight genetic material. sasha, that is, some evil people mixed in, changed, changed, there was no shawl and glasses. and glasses and three shirts and shirts, the most interesting thing is that he

will have big problems with sasha after this story. he thinks that, uh, how to say, you can earn something on the hype, except for problems. nothing else, i, as a specialist, say, dima can be nowhere too are watching. sasha now has one way out to publicly confess and tell this whole story, this hoax, and then uh, his and his father ask for forgiveness from his parents, from his father, from his mother, and then. i think everyone asks for him, and he will be the most famous in this sense, and everything else will not work. lie. sooner or later it becomes a reality alena shakes to fall asleep. why not on the other side? even more so, maybe it would be history would do. uh, would make life easier now for parents. let friends explain to us. by the way, this is interesting. explain but here you are. for example, i understand that you don’t know your dad, as i understand it, and

perhaps you want someone to be him. why not blew in your own? well, there, well, or yes, well, dzhigarkhanyan did not fit, in my opinion. the fact is that i understand you, but this young man is not interested in what led him. let him explain, and if he really publicly apologizes to everyone. it'll be cool. and most importantly mom and dad. well, just them. yes, yes, torture there, that's the whole whole secret. hello. well, we are waiting, if anything, if he suddenly deprives everything, he still muster up the courage and look into the eyes of all people, and any medal has two sides. in any story, there are also participants from different sides, do not forget, but about the fact that abdullah cheated, there are also relatives who are also well, in general. got an answer. i think we had to defend, probably, this. and you did it today . thank you very much for coming forward. without you, we would not have succeeded.