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good evening, today a very important game took place on the air, from a geopolitical and geo-economic point of view, president vladimir putin is hanging in tehran, where his talks were held with the president of iran, ibrahim rayisi, and the supreme leader of the islamic republic, etaloy, khamenei, and turkish president recep taip erdogan, who is also in tehran, and there was also a trilateral meeting of the leaders of russia and turkey and iran in the so-called astana format, let me remind you that this format exists since 2017, and it has made a very big contribution to the settlement of the syrian conflict and iran and turkey are very important partners of russia, these are countries whose weight in the world politics is growing and these countries
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share in many respects the same values and approaches to the world order as russia itself, these are such values as sovereignty, independence, the right to determine the model of their own development, a polycentric world order without a hegemon and an international order based on the charter of the un and not it, rules written and rewritten by someone and both countries and wounds. turkey is a candidate for joining the brix and iran this year will become a full member of the shanghai cooperation organization at the beginning of a bilateral meeting with the president of russia and vladimir putin noted that russia iran demonstrate record trade turnover and closely cooperate on security issues and at the beginning of the meeting with turkish president erdogan vladimir putin thanked his turkish counterpart for mediation efforts in solving the problem of exporting grain through the black sea, and we will discuss this visit and its perception in the west, as well as prospects.
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policy of the united states and russian western relations with the president of the center for national interest dmitry syme dmitry good afternoon good afternoon and the former head of the russian institute for strategic studies, lieutenant general leonid petrovich reshetnikov. hello leonid drovich. dmitry the first question for you well, and here it is at the beginning of the meeting with vladimir putin iranian president raisi said today that this visit could become a turning point in russian iranian relations on the way to building a full-fledged strategic partnership, as well as a very important turning point for the entire middle east and the united states perceives russia and iran unconditionally as its opponents and russia are iranian recharters in terms of number, and american sanctions, uh, against them, here is how washington evaluates this visit, and whether it is compared with a recent visit, and president
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biden to the middle east and whether it will change somehow us policy in the middle may be in shock towards russia towards iran as a result of today's visit of vladimir putin to tehran . so, as you asked the question, you largely uh, in general, further answer is that this is not the meeting. this is not the format that is at least somehow welcomed by washington in washington, it is betting on the isolation of russia, the isolation of iran and the distance of turkey from both russia and iran, and this is when the leaders of these three countries meet together and find many common positions. and turkey, at the same time, is still a nato country, of course, the biden administration. eh, looking at it. well, let's say so, at least with caution. or
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maybe mostly insularity, as far as biden's trip is concerned. uh, well, a biden ride. she was successful to some extent, there were no scandals. eh, they assumed. there are some unpleasant incidents between the biden and the saudi crown prince, whom the biden accused of killing the koshogi. well, in general, somehow there were no incidents , and it seems. saudi arabia, from the american point of view, promised to produce more oil, but this was not included in any specific form in the joint statement between the united states and saudi arabia, and therefore, of course, washington will now be looking carefully at what agreements will be signed in tehran and will hope that this is not it turns out that biden. e went, and
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brought to the region. in general, general encouraging words, and putin will be able to bring something more significant and specific. well, what is called let's wait and see. well dmitry is actually vladimir putin already, eh will bring something meaningful and concrete, because gazprom and the iranian energy company are niok. uh, signed a memorandum of understanding worth about $40 billion. this is one of the biggest investments. e russia in e. iran in the development of iranian energy. and leonid petrovich and how are you with the russian e. points of view assess the significance of this visit and the importance of the russian-iranian partnership. but i think we can safely say that dimitri is a historic visit. the fact is that even earlier iran was ready to develop a broad
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cooperation with us. and we developed it. we came with a huge e budget. uh, our bilateral relationship, yes. and now, in addition to what you mentioned, dmitry vyacheslavovich, we are also signing more than 40 different agreements in a situation where the united states, as dmitry e said, they want to isolate us. this visit is a clear example of what isolation is. it's just impossible , impossible, because they are, but i would say e the leading countries of this region, and iran is a very serious country. uh, ready for the widest cooperation. today i spoke with representatives of iran here in moscow, they say that even personal contact has been established among the presidents such friendly contact. they found mutual understanding among themselves, therefore, and the fact that they manage to meet in a triple format. eh, and also turkey
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is, of course, in our opinion. this is a big breakthrough. it was a big breakthrough. e of our policy, and here we must pay personal tribute to our president, who is still in and from er, sorry dmitry american er, leaders, he acts with respect for each country and with respect for certain interests of these countries, he understands that there is no need to step on those azoli that exist and iran has peculiar relations, for example with israel, while our relations with israel are normal. eh, do n't force anyone to move. that's one side or another, and he does it not as a theater of one actor, but he is convinced. he believes that this is how politics should be conducted. uh, foreign policy since the 2007 munich speech. she
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talks about it all the time, you have your own interests. we have have their own interests. well, let's respect them and look for where we can cooperate. this is how he behaves with iran and with saudi arabia and with israel, so we have it turns out that not only external success, but also concrete results, these countries are ready to develop cooperation with us, especially bearing in mind that everyone is tired of the command of the united states of america and iran and how tired. uh, everything, time under sanctions. by the way, they can tell us. how to live with so many sanctions, they have forty years of experience, yes under sanctions and success, uh, quite, uh, decent for such a situation. it seems to me that leonid petrovich pointed out a very important difference between the american approach in the middle east , which was illustrated by biden and
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the russian approach, because the american approach is of a bloc nature and biden did not hide that he wanted to consolidate and unite, but to strengthen the partnership between saudi arabia and israel on what basis on the anti, iranian basis? that is, the united states is trying to consolidate the ends anti-iranian bloc anti-russian bloc anti-chinese bloc always anti yes rallying around the us against someone biden openly stated at uh on saturday at a board meeting of uh, the gulf cooperation partnership that the united states will not allow a vacuum that could fill russia and china, after all, russia adheres to a fundamentally different position. russia does not create an anti-american bloc or an anti-saudi bloc or an anti-israeli bloc. you are absolutely correct. stressed strengthening partnership with iran russia maintains excellent relations with saudi arabia and israel,
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which are adversaries, and iran and russia will remain the only global player that maintains balanced partnerships with all key countries in the middle east and not with some. separately against others, you agree, dmitry, right? this is very important. you know, i agree with you with the general's consent. eh, to a certain extent me. uh, basically, don't be madly worried when uh great power be then, the united states uh, be it russia for example, be it china when a great power wants to acquire allies. well, if she is fighting with someone, she wants allies and new old ones to support in this struggle. well, that's what worries me, uh in the american position in the position of the byte administration, what methods is trying to do this? well, uh, they would take uh, and uh, they said
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to iran. friends, you know, we have a serious disagreement about the resumption of iranian participation in the nuclear program under the auspices of the un and for the united states to join. you you know that we have disagreements, we would like to find a common language with you and so that we can find a common language. uh, since we must submit any agreement, then submit it to the senate, and it is important for us that when you are with putin , who is our enemy, so that you somehow behave with restraint and not too much. uh, celebrating your meeting and not too many specific things. he was promised. well, this is how diplomacy used to be conducted. let's see what's being done instead . and what did he say, biden and more widely
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administration on what the crane gets if it misbehaves the joint declaration signed by us and israeli leaders underscores the us commitment to never allow iran to acquire a nuclear weapon. to do this, they are ready to use all the elements of their national power, the document says. well, you understand, he himself spoke about it, even more dramatic terms. well, you know, here's one thing. u somehow make it clear to other powers that you are ready to use military force, but still you need to be able to do it in such a way that it is minimal, but if you want, not acceptable, but not offensive to those with whom you are trying to negotiate, but the former president of the united states, e. he said that you need to walk, uh, gently with a big club, and here, uh, in the size of
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an american baton, or rather, in the readiness to use this baton, many in the middle east are going to, but the administration of the canoe is walking, very loudly and objectively. well, let's face the truth objectively. uh, this approach helped the president putin to get that warm welcome in tehran that we are today is the exact opposite of what the biden administration wanted to achieve, and dmitry cannot but agree with you, of course, in this assessment of the administration's policy. it seems to me like, a like blackmail, uh, and indeed blackmail unfounded has recently become a distinctive feature, uh, of the baidan administration’s diplomacy, because it’s quite obvious that, probably, the last thing the administration would like biden at a time when she is facing a very serious aggravation of relations with china and is waging a
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hybrid war. e with russia is to be at war the largest and most powerful militarily states in the middle east iran yes, and on the other hand, of course, the united states i think were forced to go to this rhetoric. and why, because what is the pressure against iran, but israel insists, e. and saudi arabia which remain key pillars of american influence in the middle east with key allies in the united states and in my opinion the biden administration is in a very difficult situation where, on the one hand, it is forced to proclaim this harsh rhetoric in order to try to return the trust of israel and saudi arabia on an anti-iranian basis, but on the other on the other hand, it still proclaims commitment to a joint
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comprehensive plan of action to resolve the iranian nuclear program says that it is necessary to achieve the return of the united states to this deal, from which the united states at one time. president donald trump has deduced that the united states still prefers diplomacy that the united states prefers diplomacy has recently stated. the official representative of the state department net price is already after biden's visit to the middle east , too. let's listen to him the president promised that iran will never get a nuclear weapon we continue to believe that diplomacy remains the most effective way to solve this problem within this framework we continue to believe that mutual a return to compliance with the joint comprehensive plan for the veran nuclear program is the most profitable and viable option. we will continue to move along this path as long as it is in our interests. well, on the one hand, yes, the united states proclaims its commitment to the
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jcpo, and if they refuse to negotiate, they will lose the support and sympathy of both the europeans and the vast majority of their allies and the democratic party on the jcc. biden will lose the support of fellow party members who support the svd on the other side, not uh, threatening iran with military force. united states and to lose the remnants of israel's support to saudi arabia in my opinion, this is a deadlock. if you have an understanding of dmitry or in washington, how to get out of it dmitry , you know, it seems to me that we are talking about the same thing, but on a somewhat different plane. uh, of course, they expect the united states that washington will find an opportunity to show iran that if iran develops nuclear weapons, then this can have the most serious consequences for iran and
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in terms of american e, approaches and american obligations to israel. and by the way, saudi arabia is an understandable approach. uh, well, dmitry you have studied a lot of the history of diplomacy and have been to the united states many times and you know how americans think and speak since when did we uh unlearn how to use the huge american military economic power. since when have we forgotten how to say about our opponents that you must reckon with us and must take us seriously and they going to such, but if you like, primitive threats that in general, uh, when they say this, as the biden administration says, then involuntarily many people have a suspicion that behind this militant rhetoric. well, if you want, there is an unwillingness
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to take decisive action. as you know, i was recently in moscow, i had a conversation with one of the ambassadors of the persian gulf, and he told me, listen. uh, the americans are trying to prove everything. uh, how will they act decisively against iran and, of course, they have to prove after they fled, and with the biden from afghanistan and how they easily surrendered. uh, the pro-american power that was there. and then he said one more thing that would be bidens. i didn't like it at all. and in general, ambassador biden said something. he is also largely responsible for, e, soviet military operations against ukraine on the one hand. he was not ready to meet halfway in moscow in any way, and on the other hand, he said in advance that the united states would in no case accept or use force to subject ukraine, that is, on the one hand, the most
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severe anti-russian position, but s. another they said in advance that the united states will not fight over ukraine, and such is the biden administration ’s fathers, that there are a lot of words, but not very many decisive actions, as it seems to me, this one is leading. and to the desire of the biden administration to sound very menacing. even when it only pushes you away from america, you are absolutely right dmitry leonid petrovich yes, i want to say dmitry, you said very accurately about the flight from afghanistan, this caused huge disappointment in saudi arabia and strengthened the tendencies of the leadership of saudi arabia or value principle. that's multipolarity to search, while remaining a partner of the united states it would seem, but at the same time strengthened. this is the desire to establish contacts with major countries. uh, in the nato block, i’m out of the block of the united states
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of america, they just uh, like this, what happened in afghanistan - this uh had the strongest effect on the closest dicks in the east of the united states of america. these countries, especially in iran, there is a huge distrust of the united states america's vastest and generally overcome it. well, 40 years of this mistrust is another 40 years old. it will be necessary to overcome and here even no artificial diplomacy. it may not help, because uh the main part of the iranian elite. uh, a firm conviction that the united states cannot be trusted in threats or promises, and what to believe in threats, when they left afghanistan, therefore, the atmosphere for us diplomacy or for uh, fist diplomacy or uh,
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carrot diplomacy, in-in iran is very difficult i would say very negative for the united states america and all this talk about me. the program they continue from year to year and for decades, and the iranians are already accustomed to and understand that you can do something slowly be ready at any moment to include everything if a political decision is made, they have practically prepared everything, therefore the ancient nation is an ancient state i must say that russia, after all, uh, with e persia, e, with present-day iran has been connected for centuries. and for the united states, it's like that. eh, well, incomprehensible. i would say such a box, closed trying to open it will open from there a completely different one appears, and they close it again. but we still
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work with persia. and we understand how to work. e with this ancient culture e ancient nation ancient tradition. of course, in this sense, we have a good experience as turkey in principle, the same as from turkey, so now, uh, change without changing the united states policy towards iran, but the prospects are so positive in practice. no. here you know in the past. uh, when we talked to iranian diplomats at previous iranian governments. hey, inclusive. uh, that's including someone like the foreign secretary of the past president. they often spoke confidentially, you know, we would like to go further with russia and establish more trusting relations with russia. well, in general, russia was still guided by the observance of the resolution. he did not want to sharply quarrel with
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the united states. and it set limits. how ready was to go far in moscow restoration close. cooperation with iran , especially in the military field, is not as targeted, which here is the latest pressure from the united states on russia, attempts to isolate russia led to the fact that moscow began to look, but if you want more favorably on possible agreements with iran, including in the field of security, well, an absolutely correct observation, indeed. we have always tried to keep some kind of balance. still. we had the interests of developing relations, the united states. they basically exist now. so we did not want to go deep into this crisis. uh, conflicts iran to the united states although supported iran on many issues, but we were not going to go, how to say to the end. we still
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had a try. e for purposes. uh, such a worldwide uh, avoided stabilization. conflicts, we tried to maintain some kind of relationship with the united states. now that balance is gone. it makes sense, how not, e, right, dmitry vyacheslav said that we are the united states is waging a hybrid war against russia, so those delays are the restrictions that were in relations with the iranians. many of them, uh, will leave, of course, probably we're not going all-in. this is not the line of our president and our country, but uh, many uh things that have limited our cooperation will of course go away. and here, for example, i think, why should we limit ourselves to military-technical cooperation with what statistics, and what 's the matter? turkey delivers, er, these containers, we can ask the same and agree with iran, and such
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deliveries of this are very important and useful for us, and there is no point in limiting ourselves in this. and it’s not clear, why, therefore, uh, yes, indeed, the united states of this uh, practically by the war against us, the collective west, they removed all these some restrictions that we imposed on ourselves and we can cooperate with iran. moreover, unlike the united states, we are not an idealized country. here we are, we have no ideology, which we speak for the sake of the victory of democracy. you must be with us. we don't talk about it. we say to saudi arabia you are partners. the united states understands this, but we have common interests. let's develop them and they like it. we say the same thing early, we don't offer any modes
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we are not interested in changing at all. uh, how your processes are going on here , we are interested in what is going on here, but this is not your business inside , therefore we are in this sense very profitable and partners for many countries of the east in many countries of africa, but we do not propose to change the political system. uh, a system to introduce some kind of ideology for some purpose. uh, outside the pragmatic interests of developing cooperation. well, i just added a little russia still does not violate and will not violate international law in cooperation with iran and did not violate it before. but in the period, indeed, dmitry, you are absolutely right in the period, for example, of the apogee of the russian american reset. russia has limited itself in cooperation with iran more. what did the resolutions of the un security council require? yes, for example, russia then decided not to supply iran with missile systems, the s-300 air defense system.
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despite the fact that he did not prohibit sanctions, such deliveries, but it was really russia in the past as gestures. good will. strove to limit its interaction with iran in those areas that caused the greatest concern to the united states, this is no longer the case, but russia still does not violate a day, and the nuclear non-proliferation treaty is not the iaea rules, not the resolutions of the un security council, after all , a significant part of the un sanctions with iran removed. after the e deal was signed on e, the comprehensive regulation of the iranian nuclear program in 2015 and the second moment russia of course will deepen cooperation with and with iran, but not to the extent that it will or could damage russia's relations with turkey russia's relations with israel russia's relations with saudi arabia, because
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again, no russian iranian alliance, which would be aimed against other russia does not build russia knows how to take into account. interests of other partners and find a balance of these interests. and by the way, speaking of one of the interests that unites both russia and iran and turkey is the presence of the united states in syria. there are a lot of contradictions between iran and turkey, by the way, russia and iran, of course, cooperate very closely on security issues in syria, so iran and turkey and russia insist that the united states must leave, and from syria where they illegally keep their military presence, and this is certainly one of the topics. uh, here's today's meeting in a trilateral format dmitry it seems to me that you absolutely. i think you are absolutely right. uh, and uh, again i want to go a little further. e in the sense that e? yes, of course, the position of russia, uh,
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it is that russia does not need formal alliances. so what? wants to seek with all the elements of the coincidence of interests, but it is not against whom they are directed. e, dmitrievna, we understand that it is absolutely reasonable and in most cases effective setting the issue at the level of public diplomacy. unfortunately in diplomacy, as in ordinary life. sometimes you have to make a choice and this choice can be made depending on the circumstances in different ways. for example, uh, of course, for moscow at least. it seems to me, uh, the position of israel is important and uh, of course, uh israel's well-known opposition to iran a. iran does not recognize israel and from time to time makes it clear that in general, israel can disappear,
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including with iranian help. and what is called with the world map, so that in these conditions, er, in general, israel looks very wary at any signs of normalization between russia and israel. well, it seems to me that under the previous government of netanyahu, israeli concern was perceived in moscow a little more accepting now, because the new israeli government. and let's just say it. it wanted to show its super loyalty to the united states, but if you want, with more zeal than it ever has, the former premier of the yahoo premier and uh, this leads to what i think is not going to in moscow quarrel with israel, but here is to go beyond what is necessary
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in understanding the israeli positions. it seems to me that in moscow they are now less inclined to this than before. i don't know if they think about it, i agree with yahu's assessment of our relationship, he was considered by us, uh, hmm, as uh, a very independent figure for israel in relations even with the united states of america as a major one. well , maybe for israel, and a very strong and prominent figure, and we thought in my opinion. it was believed that one could talk to him, and he would not necessarily bow to instructions or listen to instructions in washington on every issue. and this is always the main thing for us - is it a simple puppet or is it an independent figure who defends the interests of his country, first of all, therefore, really. eh, in my opinion. uh, during the netanyahu period. we
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had such a relationship. well, how to say e businesslike , taking into account this position of this leader, who really was the leader of israel. and now you yourself described it. now, uh, the leadership of israel is more flexible in relation to the united states, more obliging, we will speak frankly, and we seem to lose interest in doing special things. hmm , pay special attention. uh, israel in this situation. well, we don’t pay special attention to the leadership of bulgaria, led by some incomprehensible, a student of soros who came from canada, yes, and what's the point? yes, what kind of leader is he? what attention should be given to him? it 's certainly not the level of bulgaria, but there is also such a moment, if they are hmm to such an extent, uh, loyal to the united states. well, okay. be loyal, it was another thing under netanyahu, but i
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want to say something about iran in this connection. uh, relations with israel. still, there is a lot of hmm uh said about iran as a state that u plans to do something in relation to neighboring countries u to establish its influence change the impact. eh, the leaders of these countries arrange coup d'état, and there are practically no specific examples, once or twice, and still miscalculated iran e is not an expressionist country. it's been 40 years now. 40 years, but there are some e situations related to yemen and so on, but by and large it is impossible to present anything real, and what iran is doing against the isis. yes, that is, they are being persecuted and very severely persecuted against terrorism. this is only a plus, so
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iran remains a stable country in foreign policy is quite tidy. let's not risk saying that iran is a threat. well. enough of this i say, the exaggerated threat of the centurion, and i would not overestimate either. in fact , there are some fluctuations in israel's foreign policy, they are purely tactical, they are strategic in nature, and russia certainly takes into account and respects israeli interests in syria, including on the iranian issue, but dmitry, if i may, i would ask you the last question a little on, a different topic , but directly related to us foreign policy tomorrow there will be a regular meeting of the contact group to support ukraine, chaired by the secretary of defense of the united states austin, it is also called the rammstein group, the next arms deliveries will be discussed, and ukraine and on the
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eve of this meeting from outside. uh, statements were made by the highest-ranking ukrainian officials. i mean the name of the country of defense reznikov and the head of the national security council danilov that in the near future ukraine may receive the detached states long-range missiles for himers multiple launch rocket systems, that is, missiles that can already hit at a distance of 300 km. and this is presented as an allegedly already made decision dmitry, you are now in washington, and have you heard anything about this, do you think that this is already a really made decision, and the biden administration, or is it just ukrainian wishlist and attempts by kiev put pressure on the biden administration ahead of this group's meeting. and dmitry, i'm really in washington at three blocks from the white house and i have an office on the
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twelfth floor. so i’m even taller than the white house , but nevertheless, as you might guess, in the white house with me this kind of things, representing at this stage, if these plans exist, state secrets are not shared with me, and i don’t share such materials in the american e didn’t see the seal, that is, i saw them at the level of assumption at the level of speculation, so that it was announced that such a decision had already been made, i did n’t see this, but you know, e your question is really in fact, very correct, because, uh, the united states is constantly expanding the list of weapons that are presented to israel and the characteristics of weapons, and at first they said that they would not have them that would be provided to ukraine. the most modern guidance systems and i think it was not a hoax. it was the american position at the beginning, and then the
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ukrainian friends. they lobbied for persuasion , and in general, the administration decided to meet them halfway. and i think that the same, uh, can happen with the range of anchovies, because uh we are looking forward to seeing from ukraine some results of the counter-offensive that is being talked about in kiev and dmitriy. you are closely following american politics. i'm just public opinion. if you remember, i spoke on our program. eh that between three and eight percent of the population of american voters more accurately considered ukraine a state priority. ball. now he has disappeared altogether, and and uh, here the biden is kind of lucky, because if they believed that it was putin uh, it would lead to american uh. about economic difficulties especially to inflation, it would not be so much
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used against putin. he does not run in america. at least as long as it would be used against biden. why did he go to an unnecessary conflict? uh with putin and uh in this situation. well, uh, i think the buyn administration wants some good news. and if they say in kiev, give us more long-range systems. and we will give you the results on the eve of the midterm elections, then i am sure that someone in the pentagon administration will have such a temptation. i am i think that the byte administration needs to think very seriously about where to stop. i fully agree with you. and i really hope that the biden administration remains committed to one of the main principles that determines, at least in words, its approach to this conflict, the non- acceptability of escalation. in any case, dmitry leonid petrovich many thanks for the most interesting conversation, and in a few moments, and we will
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have an equally interesting guest in the studio, sergey karaganov. he came, he gathered all those he knew all the experience that we do not have. it’s just that clowns, pr comedians, you can take more for yourself and others, because if you tell the truth, everything will collapse. uh -huh, when some schematics of his environment emerge like a horse. he turns everything into a joke. i didn't come with you that you're jumping on the hood, you turn on your head that you communicate like that. they already understand by smell not only they also understand colombian mowers. he does not particularly bother with the topic of where and how he earns money. he has the ones that bring him money, what is present. and what are you kid ukraine turned into a fairy tale of crooked mirrors, so these are the characters. today
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active substance 5%. 5% gel. diclofenac is a high-quality patriotic alternative . always be in shape, feel the energy from playing sports, train in equipment from adidas choose a big game on the air on wildberries and we continue to talk about today's visit of vladimir putin to tehran and about broader issues of world politics and the world economy of russia's foreign policy and today our guest is one of the brightest deep and authoritative e experts of world-class experts, and scientific head of the faculty of world economy and world politics of the higher school of economics and honorary chairman of the presidium of the council on foreign defense policy and my teacher and senior comrade sergey alexandrovich karaganov sergey
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alexandrovich i am proud to be with you. thank you very much for taking part. welcome to our program sergey alexandrovich well, you are the author of a large number of ideas, many of which not only influenced russian foreign policy, but i would say became part of russian foreign policy, such as, for example, turn to the east, and you were also directly related to greater eurasia , which today has also become one of the important elements of the russian foreign policy disk. it seems to me that the current summit in tehran is a kind of completion of a large eurasia, in your opinion. er, turkey and iran iran and turkey should be considered as parts as elements. uh great eurasia and what is for us uh for russia partnership with iran uh, uh iran and tur and turkey are the powers of the future of the future and
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the great powers of the past past. we are partially due to the fact that we knocked out from under the west not the foundations of its domination for 500 years, but military superiority . them, but on completely clear. what are important growing partners, it is clear that we have deep historical ties with them, they are being restored. or maybe these connections in the world of its military-political nature, we fought, but, nevertheless, were great cultural ties. it happens everywhere, uh, is being restored by civilization, and among the greatest civilizations of eurasia and the world. this, of course, is persian, which a spread, that central asia well, there was a lot of e and, of course, ottoman a, so we just, uh, return
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history. e to the original and can be strong to the strongest. uh, there was no period when, let's say, somewhere in the 14th century, and the world was really multipolar . it was not global, but there was a lot, of course. just if you remember about people these centuries there were china and persia and india and the ottoman. thanks to a certain set of circumstances, because the europeans fought better and were poorer , the europeans were able to conquer the whole world. by the way, we also, uh, conquered siberia partially by european methods, though not suppressing in most cases, and now we are slowly restoring this concept, and the world that it should probably be relatively equal to such a cultural multi-cellulative and this is unstoppable traffic, besides, uh ours
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relations with these two great powers , as well as with india, is the most important factor in balancing a very friendly china because, uh, we all know very well that china will be the dominant economic power, ah, but uh, in order for it to did not return, but to its traditional policy of wednesday. kingdom, and this policy for many centuries determined the chinese foreign political e, and in general political development. and that meant he created a belt around him. uh, vassal states. us we need, uh, friendly ties, and with india, with iran, and with pakistan, and with turkey, well, and other countries. naturally, and the southeast is a good policy, not directed against china, but we gently embrace it. uh, the future superpower is definitely lira of eurasia. i think you mentioned a key aspect of russian foreign policy, indeed the
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partnership between russia and china is unprecedented. this is one of the most important achievements of russian foreign policy in recent years, but strengthening this partnership. we are in no way weakening our partnership with other non-western centers of power russian indian relations are strengthening russian iranian relations are strengthening russian turkish, while russian relations are strengthening pakistani relations are strengthening. and together we truly are shaping a greater eurasia as an example of the international relations of the future. i agree with you. and also, it seems to me, a very important aspect of the russian iranian partnership - this is what it seems to me . perhaps, you will agree with me , russia needs it not only to turn to the east. well, or turning south, you wrote a lot about the so -called continental curse of siberia and what about siberia for development, and the development of siberia is russia's strategic project for the 21st century, as vladimir putin once said so, uh, siberia needs a way out iran uh, maybe this
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way out for yourself, you know, our turn to the east from the point of view of our internal development was, uh, incomplete, and even perhaps, uh, not enough. and that's right, we turned only through the far east, and forgetting that central siberia is the most developed. or one of the most developed, and in many respects the most developed a-a regions of russia in terms of intellectual human, and industrial scientific, but potential, and we know that for many years we criticized our government for not breaking the way to south, this is not only uh, sent here a completely fantastically long railway . ah, which would go, and through kazakhstan to iran and then to india to the persian gulf, the fact that this project lasts a long time, well, it is
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absolutely amazement for me, for example, but uh final, but now it has gone, finally. uh, the gas pipeline through mongoya. i think that new railway and other transport arteries will also need to be launched through mongolia. but simply because, of course, if we believe that the future is after all. our country's economic and lies in the east. and this is so, because we need the future there. ah, enough logistical connections. well, and, accordingly, ah, political ties that are at the basis of them. eh, everything is going in that direction. but we, uh, as we once were a little late with the turn to the east, that is turn kazy. well, the truth is that after so much and we are a little late in it and with a turn to the south - this is already a shame, because uh hmm, naturally, we had so many, as you remember, 15 years, there
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was powerful opposition from a huge huge number and huge strong groups of the elite, who did not want inside russia but economic intellectuals, of course. there, uh, this resistance has weakened, but there is practically no resistance in terms of growth to the south, but, nevertheless, for reasons that are not entirely clear, and we are 10 years late. what's on 10 years is not always. well, i hope that just today's summit will speed things up. uh, this turn to the south and uh to catch up uh, what we could have missed uh during the previous period in ukraine, and the reaction of the west to this special operation is the formation of a multipolar world, because the vast majority of non-western countries, as a level of amazement. uh, the united states of european countries
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they didn’t join, didn’t join, didn’t condemn, didn’t impose anti-russian sanctions, yes, and uh, they are discussing in the west. what's the problem? why yes many people say that they are all selfish, they want to get cheap oil. they are still some of their pragmatic, but they are promoting their interests, but in your opinion, the point is in the selfishness of the hindus. uh, iranians and others, or the problem is still more systemic . well, first of all, the selfishness of the nation. this is a completely normal state. yes, we were altruists in the soviet union and wanted to make the whole world happy and paid for a huge number of countries. uh, to. welcome. this resulted in no thanks. we did not wait for monstrous resources, therefore, after all, uh, national egoism. eh, right and a and a normal thing. and as for the fact that the world has become completely different, uh, firstly, uh, there are processes in the
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west, uh, which lead to its weakening, uh to the weakening of its moral economic, and cultures even cultural attractiveness. and secondly, we just talked about this with you. uh, the west has lost the ability to forcefully impose its politicians. it's already happened here. this process began in the 1950s and 1960s, when the soviet union, china uh, created nuclear weapons already then uh, the west began to lose major wars. vietnam first vietnam fifty-fourth year. well, korea ended in a draw, then the fifty- fourth year for the liberation of vietnam, then went on to colonization, then there was a great monstrous vietnam to defeat, and west a to one, but there were even smaller defeats, and then , respectively, like the moment when the soviet the union fell apart for its own reasons, then the west decided that everything had returned, the good old
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days returned and climbed on the horn and again suffered a series of defeats for you, afghanistan e. eh, even lily is in that, and as a result, we see that he has lost the opportunity, but to impose his will. this is one of the original ones. the reasons that all these countries have begun to think about their selfish interests, and not about how to please or how can i piss off e western partners. well, it seems to me that many of these countries look at russia as a kind of a liberator that liberates them from e western hegemony, because so many people say that what the united states means by the so -called rules-based world order is, in fact, non-colonial hegemony. uh, the west and uh, the problem is not that u
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are some or not only that some selfish interests. uh, they are preventing the same india from joining the united states, but simply that global project that the united states is promoting is not india, neither iran nor saudi arabia, they there, the vast majority of countries in asia, africa, latin america, they do not need it, of course, the global project, which i would probably call, well, and there a globalist liberal imperialism. this is this project 30-40 years ago, but it was still based on the possibility of imposing, and forces on a, their interests. but , uh, it was imposed not only supposedly for the development of democracy. it's completely understandable that this is nonsense. we see great. and now, yes, and before, we saw it perfectly well. this project was aimed at
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pumping the world shaft of the national product in their favor and of course the countries that can now act in the free place, the ruling circles do not want to be taken away from them, and their national products, and in favor of the americans there. ah, europeans. e. moreover, they have accumulated there. uh, a huge resentment against the pure hard ones. colonism is in the past, and the year before and the past. well, uh, indeed, thanks to russia, thanks to china , which is rapidly growing militarily in the west, the united states no longer has the possibility of forcibly imposing one's will, sanctions remain. yes, and pay attention. uh, now the united states is trying, and driving other countries into a kind of cost using sanctions. yes, they say that if india buys russian oil more expensive than the bar that the united states will set and will face secondary sanctions, there will be others.
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