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good evening on the air, a big game today is a very eventful day in terms of foreign policy events in russia, vladimir putin held telephone negotiations with crown prince of saudi arabia mohammed bin salmad and following the results, the parties stressed the importance of further coordination of steps in the global oil market within the framework of trustees. plus , let me remind you that less than a week has passed since the visit of the president of the united states to saudi arabia. and so it turns out that about the idea that riyadh is for the sake of the united states. now the whole world will be flooded with cheap oil, you can completely forget also today

russian foreign minister sergei lavrov held talks in moscow with his hungarian counterpart shine peter. hungary is the only country of the european union that is open and officially speaking not for prolonging the military conflict in ukraine, and even more so not for a military victory for kiev , but for peace negotiations. and the sooner the better the political settlement, and the promotion of this particular position of budapest has become, as petr siyata noted today, one of the main goals of his visit to moscow. however, alas, most western countries and, of course, the united states are still adhering to the opposite approach , increasing arms supplies to ukraine and they say protracted war of attrition , the fourth meeting of the contact group on ukraine was held online yesterday, chaired by united states secretary of defense floyd. austin this group is also called the rammstein group after the place of its first meeting and after the results. at this

yesterday's meeting, washington announced the allocation of another $700 million military assistance package to kiev , which will include four more systems. e salvo rocket systems. fire himes, all the same, as the chairman of the joint committee of the chiefs of staff of the united states mark the united states and its allies will provide ukraine with about twenty hummers and 12 of them have already been transferred earlier and today we will discuss this policy of the united states, the reaction to it from russia and china, as well as the prospects for us-china and russian-chinese relations with president of the center for national interests dmitry syme, who is in washington dmitriy good afternoon good afternoon and with the scientist orientalist yuri vladimirovich tavrovsky one of the most authoritative hello, yury vladimirovich, experts on china, good afternoon, dmitry, but i want

to ask you the first question about one of the most high-profile and latest news that we heard from washington, joe biden, and he fell ill with coronavirus and , uh, i want to ask how a is perceived in american political circles and does washington experience? the horror of the possible inauguration of president kamal harris who will become president in case biden, uh, something happens, because biden is far from being a young man. we remember that throughout the pre-election 20th campaign. he uh sat in his bunker and from there online uh, campaigned younger ever since. he did not become healthier, most likely, too. and here is the coronavirus. uh, dmitry i have n't heard any talk about the possibility, of course, there are constitutional procedures. if

the president fails to perform his duties, then the vice president will take his place, but so far no one is talking about this. uh, the coronavirus is a very unpleasant disease, but not nearly as deadly as it seemed at the beginning. here there are more reliable medicines, including bless, which have already begun to give bidens. this is the standard remedy in such cases. when it comes to a person who is not young and who has symptoms, moderate symptoms are spoken in the white house, but nonetheless. it's not an asymptomatic disease in his case and so he 's already, uh, being treated. not only is he not going to hand over his duties to the vice president. he continued. it is to actively implement them. this will naturally affect the schedule of his meetings, the schedule of his trips, but nothing more serious

they don’t say, but they say on the sidelines, and other things, that uh, in general, when a person who is 79 years old falls ill with something serious, even if it turns out to be far from fatal, even if we succeed in relatively quickly , uh get better, nevertheless the voter begins to worry. this is reminiscent of the president's age, and his fragility in general. uh, health and certainly less than 4 months before the midterms. this is not what the democrats want. i want to remind you that donald trump, too, at one time, fell ill with kad, and he this said that real men. they don’t get sick, and he imagined himself to be such a tough , hardened man, nevertheless he got sick, and he gave the task to his doctors to put him

on his feet in two days. and what they did not do with him. and as i understand the doctors there was concern, what was it, but if you want, involved, uh, treatment, that it could be more dangerous than the disease itself, but nonetheless. he. really. e after 48 hours , he was discharged from the hospital and demonstrated that there is a condition to fulfill his duties. i am very i'll be surprised if the bidens are treated in this way, because after all, his physical condition. not that it was morning, but still. i want to reiterate, this is of course a very unfortunate situation for a biden. this is what worries democrats. but so far there is no talk of any transfer of power in america. dmitry, i agree with you, but it was not by chance that i mentioned kamala, haris, which, uh, support rating,

which uh, is minimal, it is much less popular and much more even not popular than biden. at that e biden breaks all records for e unpopularity, but you are absolutely right that e is a problem. and who will go to the next election from the democratic party, the vast majority of democratic voters do not want joe biden to run for a second term, and kamala haris, as i said, is even less popular than, uh, joe biden, and the next and actually the main popularity leader among democrats. this is bern sanders and it's very heavy. it seems to me that the situation for the democratic party is much more difficult than what is in the republican party. where apparently this goes. competition between donald trump and ron desantis, and the current governor of the state of florida, but i still want to ask dmitry, but on the issues of

arms supplies following the results of yesterday, and yesterday 's meeting of the contact group on e-ukraine, and this is what i draw attention to on the one hand . here are the figures for the deliveries of the rszo, hymars, which were announced by the military, the military leadership of the united states, iloid austin and mark miele, this significantly smaller. as for what ukraine would like to get , let me remind you that speaking at the washington atlantic council, the minister of defense of ukraine reznikov, said that ukraine needs at least 50 rso harammars in order to slow down the russian offensive and 100 units. e of these multiple launch rocket systems, so that instead of 100, instead of 100, they promise a counteroffensive, in general, not only from the united states, but in general from all allies 20 instead of 100. yes, this is on the one

hand, but on the other hand, but quite openly and increasingly unequivocal, with officials in washington talking about prolonging the conflict. and that this conflict is very, very long. listen, in particular, to what the head of the joint chiefs of staff said to e. uh, united states mile mark. today is the 147th day since the russian invasion. and this struggle is likely to remain a protracted conflict. so our discussion in the contact group was focused on helping the ukrainians endure the long struggle. how can we better equip and train them, so they can continue to defend their country and wear down the russian war machine. pay attention, mark miller is not talking about defeating russia, especially in some short and medium term, but about exhausting russia and

in moscow, and i personally get the impression that the united states has really taken a course, and not trying to arm and strengthen ukraine to such an extent that it could, in some short term, turn the tide of hostilities decisively in its favor, and in long to long history. to weaken by delaying the maximum possible delay in hostilities here in washington, and you, dmitry, agree. and with a similar assumption, how is it seen from washington, you know? dmitry, first of all, we need our due. i don't know what to call them, uh, ukrainian cursed. e friends. of course, they are incredible impudent, and they are just not enough. they all

demand 50 states are already taking part in lying to you, most of the weapons are given for free or for long-term very long-term loans. some weapons. they are already in service with the relevant armies, including the us army, and these weapons are being decommissioned by their beloved armies and handed over to ukraine by zelensky and company . , but i do not know how to say, delicately these successes, distinguished by the lack of presence. hey, you can say whatever you want. uh, proto- and how ukrainians fight bravely, probably, some of them really fight bravely. can talk as much as you want. well, they've learned a lot . this is probably also. truth. this,

of course, during the course of hostilities, but the fact remains that according to western estimates, it is smaller in number. uh, the russian army, if we are talking about units participating in hostilities in ukraine, they are smaller in number. uh, the russian army, which steals itself in the conditions of many. months of sanctions continues to advance in ukraine, moving slowly but surely and uh in these conditions, of course, uh, this is a fair amount of impudence. i want to repeat from ukrainian countries, but to create the impression that something is not working out for them, because they were given little. well, i have no doubt that if all the armies of the world were transferred under the command of zelensky, maybe something else they got stronger would absolutely be frivolous and unrealistic now.

what is a hymer? you can't win the sex war, i haven't seen any serious military analysis. wherever it was, who would say that the khaimres by themselves and in any number can help win the modern war, which the khaimres allow to do. they not only raise the conflict to a new level, but they create a real threat, as well as an enemy command post with an enemy treasure and, of course, an infrastructure facility. and so, when ukrainians begin to combine highmorses in this context in one phrase, and let’s say, a the crimean bridge, when they already begin to use highmoros against, kakhovka, where is it located nearby? nuclear power plant and this is the area that

is very important for supplying the crimea with water , well, involuntarily, thoughts come to mind, but very such large-scale plans of ukraine to expand the conflict, because the attacks on the crimean bridge and at the same time depriving crimea of ​​water. you yourself understand that there is no unanswered answer. this would lead to the most severe consequences, first of all, for ukraine itself, and this would raise a question. e for the united states would raise the question of further american escalation that either you need to give in, or you need to somehow pacify this zelensky who spends his days every day, and not just giving one threat after another against moscow, but also making claims to everyone, and if you play a role, as if the new

churchill is heading some kind of global anti-russian coalition, or or you need to give this zelensky another new weapon to increase, for example, and give some more serious ones are also more long-range systems that can be used against the black sea fleet. and this is a very dangerous situation. 'cause when i heard that russia would run into the hymers and retreat as a result, the first thing that comes to my mind is that russia might respond. if it comes to this, not so much retreat. how much to change the nature of the military operation, which is still being provoked within very strictly observed, if you like, limits? and

now in washington they are talking about e, russian warnings about the danger of nuclear war are talking about it like something. well, if you like, uh, half threat, half shaming. i see it differently. uh, it seems to me that washington, of course, would very much like to, uh it was possible to go for rearmament to arm the strengthening of ukraine and in response to this russia would say well to us uh, the collective west and ukraine have demonstrated their power, and we will now retreat as far as possible. so i have not heard from anyone who they are and knowledgeable authoritative people, but i have not heard from anyone. at least some confidence that russia would, on this occasion, would meet halfway, but washington's kiev wish. and

indeed would have retreated more likely would have been an expansion of the conflict, and it seems to me that this is in washington, i'll tell you, honestly not thought through enough. i don't think that they in the biden administration want such an escalation, they understand that we are very close to danger, when they start thinking seriously about some of the most destructive weapons systems, but since they have n't come up with anything other than escalation. here they go down this path. i really hope that, in general, somewhere uh , some of the russian people in washington, because age, of course, uh has its hard sides. well , in general, and age is an advantage, because it gives a certain experience and therefore, at least from the generation that should still remember the caribbean nuclear crisis. we,

not washington, not moscow, in my opinion, do not need to move at all in this direction. dmitry, i share your hope and, to be honest, the results of yesterday 's meeting cast a faint light on me. this hope that washington understands the risks of escalation and therefore does not provide ukraine with those weapons that would most likely lead to this escalation. you are absolutely right. if ukraine gets long-range missiles, and they will try to strike , say, because the crimean bridge, then uh, they ask for missiles not away from missiles not 500 km away. yes , but if you believe the statement of lloyd austin following yesterday's meeting of the contact group, the united states will continue to provide ukraine with missiles for the heimer system with a range of 80 km, and answering a direct question from a journalist. and when the united states will provide ukraine with

long-range missiles, austin left the answers. i mean, for now, it's like, uh, the united states again, if you believe the official rhetoric, but they understand how dangerous it is, they understand that in the case of using ukraine and similar missiles against crimea against the crimean bridge. speaking of other territories of the russian federation, russia is transforming the nature of a military conflict and a special military operation into a full-scale war and will conduct this military operation for not 1005 anymore. decision-making centers most likely in kiev in the first place, where, by the way , there is a huge number of western key american diplomats. and e advisers. they returned all the embassies there. that is, it is really very che. a very serious escalation. it seems to me that washington understands this. do you

remember dmitry last time we talked with you, just about what ukraine is talking about providing long-range missiles, as an alleged decision already made? well, apparently. and that was rhetoric just to put pressure on uh, washington, at least, i have, uh, there is such hope, but at the same time, taking one step, as if in a more responsible direction , washington takes a step in a less responsible direction, and at the same time, completely open statements are heard in washington and talk about the intention to provide ukraine with western nato. in any case, not russian military fighter jets about it. uh. yesterday, the head of staff in the united states air force, charles brown, said. stupid at the aspin

institute conference, listen to his statement. is it possible to so that the united states sell or provide ukraine with fighters on some american platform there are american samples there are griden from sweden there is a euro fighter or rafael so there are a number of different weapons systems that could go to ukraine dmitry well, i remember that in at the beginning of this military conflict , the biden administration categorically rejected the possibility of providing ukraine with western fighters, fearing the threat of escalation. now this is being said, by the way, at the same time as with this statement by charles brown, a group of bipartisan senators in the united states sent a letter to loyd austin, and a milestone demanding that ukraine be given the same western fighter jets. so it's a side step. well, how would

this decision move the red line. yes. and it also speaks of the intention of the united states to continue the military development of ukrainian territory, and not to allow its demilitarization, one of the most important goals of russia, because it is quite obvious that in order to provide western aircraft, the united states must first train ukrainian pilots and use them yes. in any case, there is a de facto integration of ukraine in the military plane with nato, so what can you say about this? and you know, dmitry, i think about this that the united states biden administration is following the classic path of blind escalation. and when i came to america, i found e in vietnam, i didn’t find, uh, the beginning of the american intervention in vietnam. but after all, it was originally assumed that they would send

there, uh, cool uh. president kennedy 12,000 military advisers, then lyndon johnson decided to send 100,000 there, but then there fought for 500,000 people. and uh, every time they said that we almost achieved the result. that's just another additional 200,000 passed. but just some other new weapon, let's give it to south vietnam and everything will go fine and the result. uh, south vietnam initially no one said that this is the vital interest of the united states it was in general, there was a selective war and they thought that it will be possible to maintain the regime in the city of sky e with very limited costs and with minimal risk for the united states itself. and then it turned out that this war dealt a blow not only to american

foreign policy prestige, but if you want to the spirit and stability of america itself, and now i am looking at ukraine not a democratic country is a corrupt country, but with an impudent elite, but which, in general, no one really needs this country, except maybe more, uh, as a military buffer against russia, uh, this country gradually really becoming an important interest of the united states. and soon we will hear and begin. you are at least alive because the more you do this war, as they say in america make you om property, if you want your own property, the harder it is for you to get out of this situation without losing face and uh, without rushing some real domestic losses, yes, in

any american administration. and every step that the united states takes in this escalation, i understand that with the military, that is military-tactical point of view. it can be justified for him, you can find good arguments, but when you talk about the totality of what is done especially, the totality is as follows. that when they started talking about the expansion of nato there was no threat to russia from russia nato and there could not be russia did not want to pose such a threat and did not have the opportunity to do so, and today there is indeed a real russian danger over america, because no matter what pure russian military intentions. there is military potentials the level of our hostility. he goes off scale and again this is another question. who is responsible for this, but this is the reality that the us military has to deal with and therefore i

really want to repeat what i said a few minutes ago, you need to know not only how to enter, but also how to exit and you need to know where to stop in time, without backing himself into a corner, not the enemy, he is all cornered, and backing himself into a corner. if someone will be yours, who does not speak, and we have driven an even sharper corner. but you know it would very little consolation if we really came to a terrible conflict dmitry i really like your idea that by trying to create an afghanization or the second, afghanistan for russia, the united states can get vietnamization, that is, drive itself into the vietnamese caucans. well, and the second second country in the world after russia is the most influential country in the world, which actively criticizes, and the policy of the united states and the west and nato to pump ukraine with weapons. this is

definitely china and that's how the last decision, and the ramstein group responded to the official representative of the ministry of foreign affairs of china jaulet, listen to the american official and spoke as if the united states is the world's gendarme in the issue of ukraine china takes an independent and unbiased position stands on the side of peace and justice. we strongly oppose any unfounded suspicions, threats and pressure directed against china we also strongly oppose unilateral illegal sanctions and extraterritorial decisions, under which there is no basis in the international law of america as the initiator of the ukrainian crisis, which constantly feeds it the necessary serious reflection on its own mistakes do not crush or fan the flames of conflict, rather than provoke bloc confrontation and not ignite a new cold war the united states must responsibly contribute to the resolution of the crisis and to create the environment and conditions necessary for peaceful

negotiations between the parties, and yuri vladimirovich well, recently. uh, china is more and more actively takes uh and the thunder takes a position on security issues in europe and ah, his voice on european security issues is getting louder, in addition to criticizing the supply of weapons to ukraine, china is in solidarity with russia and speaks about this again loudly and not ambiguously. that it was nato expansion that led to the current ukrainian military crisis. in your opinion, as a specialist in china, and such an intensification of chinese rhetoric and european security policy is a consequence of the us-china confrontation, and associated with this rapprochement of the russian chinese partnership, or china is increasingly adapting to the position of a global world military-political power and in accordance with

this status of a great power. china believes that it really needs to take some position, not only on asian affairs and regional affairs, but also on global affairs, including european ones. you know, here we are talking about european security. but there is also a european danger and the chinese. uh people with a very good memory and they know that from europe wars of destruction came in china. and this uh, not only now nato is approaching the chinese borders, but also before the collective collective efforts of the european powers. they interfered in chinese affairs and suppressed china. and as the chinese say, they humiliated. well, look, uh, 1840 opium war england and france and 1900

uh, seven european powers plus japan capture beijing uh, where chinese rebels were operating, who killed christian diplomats. this, of course, is not good, but uh, here, uh, european powers seized beijing e, seized the imperial palace. uh, they destroyed a lot of all sorts of cultural objects and left a very bad one behind. uh, memory is another example of u collective participation u collective confrontation. china with europeans. this is the korean war, because along with the americans, and there were also 16 countries that, under the un flag, fought against the north korean chinese troops, but in fact they were chinese

people's volunteers and, of course, that there were all the main e, partners, but with chaponato . so memories are very bad and the chinese. um, they really don't want this nato expansion to increase the european danger again, because yes they have a long memory, but they still have a very good intention towards europe a. uh, they really want to trade primarily with europe and in fact. this is the one belt, one road initiative, after all, it is designed to later, through china, kazakhstan, russia, well, stretch a trade bridge to europe , now they trade for about 800 billion euros a year and the chinese understand that the americans can. interrupt these trade chains, there is poland, there

are other countries that, obeying american dictates, can stop the flow of chinese. e goods contrary to their interests, er, and that is exactly what happened with the sino-european investment agreement, which, after long negotiations, was concluded about 2 years ago, but it was not approved. uh, national and uh, pan-european uh, structures and now europe's involvement in china's containment is very strong. here. now, for example, in taiwan only the deputy head of the european parliament has just left. this is a provocation. this is the highest level of european presence in taiwan uh, so the chinese of course really want to have good relations uh with europe but they uh? ready,

in my opinion, and to ensure that e somehow sent a fist to hit. eh, they can, in principle, do without european markets. but this is already such a, uh, bad option. and even more so, it seems to me that the chinese are well aware that a similar policy, as in europe, the united states is pursuing in asia in in europe, this is the expansion of nato and the consolidation of nato; in asia, this is again the expansion and consolidation of anti-chinese alliances and the united states seeks to establish close horizontal ties between nato and the asian allies of the united states . the last in ukraine, a special operation began in washington uh, many believed that uh china would not be ready to support russia maybe uh, at the level of rhetoric they somehow support that

is called by and large, but if we are talking about trade, if we are talking about some kind of assistance, and even if we are talking about some kind of frank geopolitical support, then they in beijing will not agree to this, among other things. uh, as fair yuriy just said about the importance of trade with europe uh, for uh, china, well, and finally, taiwan uh, what was considered by washington that, given the problem of taiwan uh, the chinese would not want to somehow recognize the possibility of independence of the crimea, and therefore that such analogies of this kind are not like. and so i look at what is happening. it's happening now and i'm wondering if the reaction is right, whether i have the right impression that e willingly reluctantly sometimes through gritted teeth, but china is starting to move closer towards russia and even

chinese companies. at least many chinese companies, especially those for which government support is important. i mean their own government, that they are starting to show, but if you like, a great inclination to deal with moscow. it is true or not, it is absolutely. so you know, now, uh, in beijing comes not only from billions of euros of trade turnover or container trains that reach the treaty or fool the chinese. uh, they proceed from already geostrategic, uh, some uh factors, and they understand that russia, china, in fact, have become two fronts that oppose the west, led by america, and if one of these fronts is weakened, then, accordingly, uh, pressure will increase on the other front and the chinese. no wonder they say in

an informal setting we need a russian victory in ukraine, but in an official setting. they are they say, we stand back to back with the russians. this is how russia and china have a century-old tradition. joint confrontation and uh, like two fronts, we have been a second front for each other many times, see uh, 1896 the first security treaty between the russian empire and china against japan and 1937 the soviet union and china conclude an agreement against japan and russia starts a massive lind list and so on it wasn’t called that, but this is a linguist of hundreds of tank planes, uh, soviet advisers, soviet pilots, and we played for the chinese. this is the role of the second

front. we uh prevented the capitulation of china as it was with france, the czech republic and other countries and uh, in turn, literally. soon. uh, china became a wet front for the japanese because the japanese didn't attack the soviet union in particular because, uh, they spread their troops over a huge area. china, they did not have enough troops. e in the japanese headquarters , the date of the attack on the soviet union was scheduled on august 29 , 1941, and they weighed all the pros and cons of the sun. or about the blows of the soviet army on khalkhin-le and on hassan and decided not to attack the soviet union did not fight on two fronts. he fought first in germany, then with japan, and in the same way we helped the chinese in the forty-fifth year, when we defeated, uh, the japanese army and helped the chinese, finally unite, uh, the country is now

repeating itself and the chinese are talking about it. uh, we do n't need to send our troops. the chinese don't need to send their troops to taiwan. uh, to ukraine the very fact of the existence of russia and china within the framework of a strategic partnership. and uh, pulling uh, the forces of the west on themselves is a guarantee that we will continue, uh, remain sovereign states. we will not bend, we will not break, but really. uh, the russian-chinese partnership is one of the main differences and, uh, favorable factors of the current russian strategic position compared to the position that the soviet union was in the second half of the cold war, especially after nixon kisenger's ingeniously played party.

and when china actually became a partner of the united states and the soviet union was forced confrontation on two fronts, russia is not doing it now and china is not doing it. but who leads the confrontation on two fronts. it is the united states and the united states that continue to escalate the main conflict of their second asian front. the taiwan conflict, and again the other day there was information about the intention of a third person in the state hierarchy of the united states, speaker of the house of representatives nancy pelosi to pay a visit. taipei taiwan yes. uh, already at the time, she was going there, she got sick coronavirus, supposedly. yes, after china, uh, blocked it with a very tough response, but now the situation, and i don’t know if it will happen again or not , but again, uh, there is talk of a palace visit. e in taiwan is the global times newspaper which is the official.