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good evening on the air big game today the council of the state duma adopted a statement on the situation at the zaporozhye nuclear power plant, which has been regularly shelled by the ukrainian armed forces for several weeks, thereby creating a threat nuclear disaster. the statement, in particular , speaks of russia's readiness to do everything necessary to organize a delegation mission to this station. and the council of the state duma demanded to urgently stop the supply of arms to ukraine here as well. unfortunately, so far everything is exactly the opposite. just yesterday, the united states provided ukraine with the largest one-time military aid package to date, worth $3 billion.

at the same time, it is emphasized that this assistance will be of a long-term nature and will be provided in for several years. and only at the beginning of this year, the united states provided kiev as noted by the press secretary of the white house, karin jenner, $ 13.6 billion, and against this background, the position. becoming more and more arrogant and uncompromising over the past couple of days, vladimir zelensky has stressed several times that he is not ready for negotiations with russia in any form and will only seek complete victory, which he understands as the seizure of all the territories lost by ukraine. moreover, including crimea and donbass about how much this policy corresponds to american preferences. and how will the foreign policy of the united states develop today, we will talk with the president of the center for national interests dmitry salsom dmitry good evening and mgimo professor andronik. in all cases , everything is the same for migrants, good evening dmitry well, indeed, ukraine's position has become the most

uncompromising and tough over the past six months, how does this correspond to the preferences of the united states and where does washington understand where it is? basically, can it start? well, let's first we repeat what exactly zelensky said and i want our viewers, uh, to think carefully about the meaning of what he said, so that peace negotiations can begin. russia must first leave the occupied territories, and he explained that he meant all the occupied territories. so he told me those territories that were occupied after the twenty- fourth, february, everything and more, other representatives of the zelensky administration, including even secretary of the security council danilov , explain very clearly that russia must leave,

crimea because if russia does not leave crimea, then the crimean bridge will be a legitimate target. mr. danilov did not explain whether he is going to attack now? uh, the crimean bridge or wait a bit, but if you, uh, andronika dmitry, think about these conditions. e zelensky his advisers. then i don’t even know if this can be at least some basis for negotiations. uh, it's either uh, as they say in kiev, nonsense. either or, in general, there really is nothing to talk about. and here i have a question for you. i only came a few days ago from washington, i really don’t know something, a lot of things i don’t know about what is happening from the russian point of view on the battlefield.

there is a big ukrainian offensive, a major advance of ukrainian troops. uh, in the kherson region , ah, somewhere, russian troops in the donbass are seriously retreating. how to explain that they in kiev think that such conditions can find some kind of response in moscow, or is it just a shaking air, or even worse, a desire to lead any dialogue to a dead end even before this dialogue has begun, what do you think, i i think, dmitry, that such statements do not leave any chance for negotiations. e with ukraine on political issues. and, and today. ukraine does not have any technical means to inflict any damage on the crimean bridge, this time and secondly, in order to go on the counteroffensive, but in ukraine these are two and here are

similar statements. they are being done in conditions when the united states yes, of course, supplies ukraine with significant amounts of military assistance, which prolong the conflict, which leads to large victims among the civilian population and infrastructure, but are not capable of fundamentally changing the balance of power on earth, and in this context, ukraine makes such statements. continuing to suffer defeat at the front, and on the entire front line, starting from the kharkov direction, ending with the nikolaev direction, and in this regard, the question that i think many people in moscow are asking is whether this statement by ukraine is an expression. actually, the points of view of zelensky and danilov, or is it a broadcast of the policy of the united states, that is, whether ukraine is independent in this uncompromising position or whether it reflects the point of view of its

patrons, and i personally think again. uh, observing what boris johnson , prime minister of great britain, said in kiev yes, what, in this case, kiev, uh, is acting on the orders that andrey directly holds in the hands of the united states and great britain. here, of course, i would somewhat distinguish between the position of boris johnson and the american administration. it seems to me that the damaged son has proven itself to be absolutely. uh, well, in general, irresponsible person and strange. the once great power of great britain had him as prime minister. but just with this shame. it seems to me that washington is still oriented towards the beams, at least, unlike the uk, washington has entire channels, including fox and others, who analyze quite critically what is happening in ukraine and

what is the real situation, i think? there are two factors here, but it seems to me. i think that e zelensky and his entourage, they either live in another reality. and why is it different, where did this other reality come from, they themselves create an informational picture of the world, they themselves believe in this information. well, yes, and in this informational picture they win everywhere. that's enough for this dmitry to watch ukrainian youtube channels. here is what they write, how they explain the current situation, that everywhere the russians are running, they are leaving their positions and so on. ukraine wins everywhere, and the terrorist attacks that ukraine arranges are the counteroffensive. they are now like this in the crimea at least. yes a on the other side. they even got to the point where they say, in general, some terrorist attacks themselves

are done by the russian fsb there and so on. just out of desperation in order to mobilize their own population against the ukrainians or the second. here i have such a suspicion creeping up that after all, he has their desire to provoke russia with such intransigence, such rudeness, and can still drag, in any way, the united states or the west into a direct clash with russia when you are on this program dmitry can you remember i just said that it seems to me that they are preparing a proxy war. and by the way, the ukrainians themselves will be the main agents in this proxy war. here are their radicals, because they are irresponsible people taking bribes from them, gladky does not leave me. here is the feeling that they are trying to andronicus dimitri if they want

us to be right. i don’t know how to call our sworn friends ukrainians. they said that there would be an offensive in the kherson area in august. they said they said it would be successful they forgot to just say it would be russian not ukrainian offensive. yes it is, of course, a small difference. well, here's a question i have for both of you. here e! the united states is now saying at various levels and in many voices that it's basically okay for uh ukraine to strike anywhere on territory they consider theirs even if it's russian controlled territory that even when the ukrainians say, that the

crimean bridge is a legal decision - this is normal. and in general. russia has no reason to complain when we allow in germany and training camps are organized on the territory of poland. ah, for the ukrainian military, and now, mr. suslov, i want to ask you a question about not about washington but about moscow will they consider in moscow what is the american approach gives reason to think that let's say american bases in syria are a legitimate target, and the series objects to the presence of american troops on its territory, as ukraine objects to the presence of russian troops. wherever she believes is her territory. i want to understand a

what about uh, uh what, if it's moving, uh, military equipment, and on some road somewhere you're generally okay to hit that place. how about, and to strike at training camps in poland like this, if you use the logic of the biden administration? in general, these objects, they become legitimate targets, and my question is very simple. does the biden administration actually bring a new danger, from your point of view, to the united states itself and to the american military in different parts of the world or me or i exaggerate dmitry i think you are absolutely right. uh, in

this wording, and indeed the united states has the most extensive network of military bases. around the world, there are about a thousand objects in a variety of absolutely on all continents, except for antarctica. uh, american military bases are much larger than russian ones. russia has a military base outside the post-soviet space in syria russia has a military presence in africa but of course, the united states remains. i said outside the post-soviet space. now, uh, the united states remains the only country in the world that has a global system of military bases and dangers in relation to this uh american military bases, especially where the united states is illegally present, for example in syria , is definitely on the rise, but of course, russia will not strike american military bases

directly and directly, like the united states, does not strike direct military strikes on the territory moreover, if we talk about crimea, then the sabotage that the kiev regime has so far arranged on the territory of crimea a and a these sabotage were used without the use of american weapons, that is, we are in a state of hybrid war of proxy war, a and e, the united the states, of course, are striving to ensure that damage is done to russia, but here's what i completely agree with antonia. do you think that the united states deliberately wants to harm russia by such actions that it is not by chance, this happens by thoughtlessness under ukrainian pressure. do you think that this is a conscious action of the administration without a doubt. i

believe that the united states wants to cause deliberate damage to russia. in all possible forms, including military damage, but they do it indirectly and try in every possible way to avoid the direct involvement of the united states in such strikes and to avoid american weapons being used to deliver these strikes, in my understanding, this is precisely the approach of the biden administration, that is the biden administration says, yes, crimea for ukraine is a legitimate target for a legitimate target, but, but they act in accordance with the saying, you know, peppy cows with horns, yes, that is, they do not provide the means by which ukraine could inflict compliance with the eccentric. i want to ask about the main thing. the main thing - the fact that we do not want a nuclear war is correct and president biden said this

more than once. i didn't talk to the president. i've talked to people from the white house, and i'm kind of watching what they're talking about. say and do i have no doubt that they do not want a third world war. so. how do you explain the gap between their unwillingness to risk a third world war and the actions that you have described. this is a fundamental question dmitry . totally agree with what you said and the difference between a biden administration and boris johnson. boris johnson and speaking in kiev, he said that you should not be afraid. eh, in general russia should not be afraid to strive for victory over russia. the prime minister of a nuclear power said that this is not to prevent the third world war, but to restore ukrainian territorial

integrity, including crimea, here is the biden administration, at least at the level of leadership at the level of officials like himself still allows both biden and sullivan to say that the difference is in rhetoric. and it's not just the difference in rhetoric. yes, but they still say that the most important thing is to prevent a third world war, and they they believe, perhaps erroneously, that such indirect damage to russia will still not lead to an uncontrolled escalation and get away with it. it seems to me that this might be a mistake. i agree. moreover, maz dmitry just, not so long ago, discussed the problem with this dmitry, the problem of controlled and uncontrolled escalation. it seems that washington thinks that it is in control of the escalation process, but here i am dmitry , now i’m turning to you dmitry i think

that you are absolutely right that you will never you can guess where the process of control over the escalation passes already the absence of this control and the process is already left to itself and can lead to the most monstrous consequences. here, answering the direct question that you asked dmitry e, dmitry konstantinovich, i will say this, firstly. but the thing is, i really do agree. she and i have already had the opportunity to talk about this topic, russia has a legitimate right to strike. this is what russia said during the syrian events. this is not only andronicus your opinion. yes, this is your assessment of how the russian leadership sees the situation. it seems to me that it’s right, but, because and because i’m trying to refer to the chief of the general

staff, who in the syrian situation said that if the americans strike at syria and suddenly our servicemen suffer, we will strike at the places where they take off, it’s clear that thus russia has declared that any american target is a target to strike if it threatens russian interests, therefore absolutely right and ramstein and the training camps in poland and a number of other places in general, where there are american soldiers instructors american weapons, they will all become legitimate targets. i think it was going to be absolutely the right position and the right answer. and i think washington should know about it. that's how gerasimov then announced and now i think that well, apparently our uh,

military leadership, or, again, maybe, himself and uh, chief of the general staff. the second thing i would like to say about this can also be stated. we remember that the founding act has already been forgotten by everyone our agreement with nato, but according to the agreement with nato, i remember , uh, sam versh was, who was a participant in the signing of this agreement, which was then, according to alexander oral secretary of nato, when i said, you cannot advance some troops, because the nato infrastructure should not move. he told me, no andrianik. we are not such idiots, we entered it there, but they entered, uh, an insignificant contingent that can move troops and weapons. but in general. e now if even this term needs a definite

interpretation to be understood. now we see that the contingent, the weapons and weapons and the military that they are moving across europe towards eastern euro and eastern europe this far exceeds everything that falls under the definition of an insignificant contingent, therefore, i think that even though this treaty is already it seems to me that at least well, no one denounced, in my opinion, it’s not necessary, neither we funded this fundamental act, but even in accordance with this treaty we have the right to strike at significant accumulation. uh, armaments and the armed forces that threaten russian interest dmitry and first of all, i completely agree with the androynik. especially when it comes to the threat of uncontrolled escalation. here

is the biden administration. she is at the level of rhetoric. sometimes he says the right things. let's resume the strategic stability talks. now , almost every day, united states ambassador linda thomas greenfield repeats it let's talk about what will replace the new start, which expires on 26 year. that's all right, but dmitry androynik is the main threat to strategic stability. today, it does not consist in a deliberate nuclear strike - by a power against another power, but just in an uncontrolled escalation from below, just in an unintentional military clash, which will then develop according to its own logic. and it could eventually lead to a nuclear exchange and no treaties like the csmw and no strategic stability talks here will help. and here is the united states on the one hand. they say, let's talk from the other side all the

time, moving the red line all the time, uh, encouraging ukraine, indirectly encouraging ukraine to strike at the territory of the russian federation, including crimea and, first of all, crimea. the united states is really creating the risk of this unintended escalation. here is dmitry our broadcast on a cat's important broadcast and in the city portament regularly translates, i must admit, honestly, not because we are so important, but because they use it as a guide for learning the russian language, but as they say, and on that, thanks. so. let's assume they don't just look to us for help. and he will see what we are saying, so if you had the

opportunity to turn to the american political leadership through this method or any other opportunity, what advice would you give them . uh, if they want to avoid this uncontrolled escalation, but i personally would give the advice that many american realists give, starting with henry kissinger. john ershamer you dmitri stephen walt and others, firstly, the main priority of the united states, the existential interest of the united states is survival is the prevention of a third world war. this is the first second, the main rival of the united states of russia, the third for russia, ukraine has always been and will be a much greater national interest, a vital national interest, than for the united states for which it is an important tool, but the fight against russia but not the national interest in the

first place. here the united states should not forget about it and in this regard, of course, my advice. uh, uh, for the united states, come to your senses and do it, then, use whatever leverage you have. put pressure on the zelensky government on kiev in order to start negotiations and in order to agree on the rules of peaceful coexistence in europe. russia will not leave anywhere, not from europe nor from the world map, according to dmitry, of course, i completely agree with your logic. but i think dmitry will support me. i hope. you don't miss out, maybe, but they just didn't say that the us administration was operating in a broader context. they have mid-term elections ahead, if he says you know that the guys in kiev stop, then it will be bad. but

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big game, we already discussed with dmitry simes and androinik migronyan the issues of supplying american weapons to ukraine, but it seems to me that one aspect remains not fully understood and disclosed. on the one hand, the deputy secretary of defense of the united states, colin col. yesterday he announced that the united states does not yet intend to provide ukraine with long-range missiles. yes those missiles that the us considers important to provide. these are gmls missiles, the maximum range, which is about 60 km. secondly, he stated that the united states does not intend to provide ukraine with fighter jets for the time being. yes, he did not rule out completely, but did not call it a priority. here is the medium term. this is on the one hand, and on the other hand, the representative of the national security council, john kirby, actually gave ukraine

carte blanche to carry out military strikes on crimea and the territory of the russian federation listen to me i think we will give the zelensky administration and the armed forces of ukraine the opportunity to talk about their military tasks and plans to the extent that they are ready to talk about it. it was kirby who answered the question about crimea whether the united states supports ukraine’s military strikes on crimea we will not provide or here's how to interpret this combination of american rhetoric. you know, all of this, uh, these b aid announcements 3 billion unprecedented 13 billion unprecedented here, of course, a very large element of pr from my point of view, because if you look at what has already been

delivered, it's not so much, all the more, i increasingly time hmm paying attention. e viewers. uh, the fact that this whole list is huge, there are 40 or 50 countries, but when you look at the numbers, 2, 3, 4, 5, well, the americans there promised, uh, to put 18 of these cameras, put 16, well, the obvious ones went up in price or something was not enough. and what they are now promising to deliver. eh, that too. yes, uh announced an unprecedented program to help polyclisis. 40 billion of them, of which military assistance to ukraine is only six, and these 6 billion. uh, this is not ukraine, you know, they were given in cash or by transfer there. no, it's all going. uh, in the american

military-industrial complex, this goes to corporations for orders for payment. do n't forget. e like this. oh, by the way, quite an expensive item. like uh, after all, if you take the american budget, it is huge, but, uh, roughly speaking, it is divided into two parts for maintenance and for the development of content - this is personnel. base salary. all this is development. this is just the purchase of the expression, so, uh, in the us budget, 80% is content and only 20%, this is development. uh, after all, in ukraine, uh, no one voices the numbers, but there are a huge number of americans advisers and instructors. uh, well, mercenaries and i'm not sure what it is to say, volunteers, i quite admit that it is, so say, regular military servicemen who are simply sent to ukraine as volunteers. they also need to pay. it

's all money. i think that here uh sure that uh everything. it's laid down. here in the budgets that the americans are voicing is what the deputy minister of defense says about deliveries in 1-2 years. uh, it doesn’t seem to me that they really live in some kind of parallel reality, the fact that our interdiction at the social security said that, uh, our western so-called partners live in their own parallel reality from really. so they believe that ukraine a can resist russia for several years just because they supply. uh, them weapons. this is absolutely not true. i think it's not in our best interest to be much faster. yes, shoigu quite consciously says, yes, we noticed the pace of the offensive just to reduce losses, of course, sorry, sorry for the young guys. ah, but of course, this won't last for years now. about

uh, red lines and across the crimea . and if they will really inflict serious blows on e critical infrastructure in the crimea, or whether this will entail uh human casualties, among the civilian population, of course, you need to answer. moreover, it is also necessary to respond to civil infrastructure. in particular, the tunnel functions along the railway bridges, through which all deliveries go and lives in peace. they brag about it. all restaurants are open. well, everything is like in moscow. it's time to stop this. it's time to stop because if they cross this red line, then you need to respond and you need to respond very strongly so that they know what any such action will entail. uh, very decisive and, uh, even i will not say adequate, inadequate should be

the answer, and the answer should be many times over, completely agree with you. as for the numbers and the nature of the weapons supplied, it seems to me that they really, uh, pursue the goal of dragging out the conflict, dragging it out as much as possible. yes, in order to use the prolongation of the conflict in anti-russian politics, by the way, in anti-european policy in order to weaken, e, europe and so on, but the question is whether the united states itself can, whether the collective west can afford this war of attrition, which they are guided by at the level of rhetoric, and since it is now half a year since the beginning of this military e operation, then a lot appears. who are summing up and now they are asking this question. can they afford a war of attrition and now listen to the opinion of an editorial from the washington post which , in principle, can be considered as such an average denominator of the approaches of the american political

establishment. the first stage of the war is over, but what happens next is unclear, ukraine has practically announced its intention to launch a counter-offensive to recapture the strategic city of kherson, kiev has made progress. having carried out this goal, daring successful drone attacks and sabotage deep behind russian lines in crimea, this once again demonstrates the already demonstrated usefulness of american equipment such as the artillery system. hymars. all these results justify those who suggested not to be afraid of fears of provoking russia to expand the boundaries of arms supplies by the united states, nevertheless. russia still has a foothold in 20% of ukraine's territory and ukraine does not seem to have enough troops to push out the invaders for the best chance of major gains. ukraine will probably have it in a month, not days. after her troops receive additional equipment and training. this means that kiev's supporters in the west must adjust their plans accordingly.

europe has retained a worthy admiration. solidarity in the face of economic problems associated with reduced dependence on russian energy france and germany lag behind the united states in the uk, poland and even norway in helping ukraine in relation to their total economic output. the us-led western alliance and there is a weakness, it is the division of time. if ukraine wants to have at least any chance of success the north atlantic alliance must solve this chronic problem once and for all. that's it. note. yes, this is the end of the beginning, and the future prospects for the war are attrition and ability. the west to wage a war of attrition will depend on the distribution of time, but with the distribution of time, just within the framework of nato, everything is very bad. yesterday. anna lena berg , minister of foreign affairs, said that the german armed forces clashed. the absolute

shortage of their own stocks of weapons that the military assistance for ukraine still needs to be produced? yes and now the german industry, now should only start working on e, ukraine ivan alekseevich so can the west afford this war of attrition? are we at the end of the beginning or are we at the beginning of the end? we are near the end not at the beginning of the end. i think so, with regard to the position in the west, you rightly say that there are those who believe that the west can drag out this conflict for years, but still, even among those who support the supply of weapons. there are those who it does it for a slightly different reason, because western politicians can't afford to let the world think that ukraine has failed. with their fault,

therefore, you cannot stop the supply, because it will look like you left ukraine without an opportunity. e continue. this is a crazy, bloody mess that they don't do, so it's an element. the answer is disclaimer too. i believe that there are enough people there who adequately understand the situation and understand where all this is heading, but their task is not taking responsibility for oneself, but shifting this responsibility, most likely to the political leadership of the kiev regime. we gave them everything, but they failed, lost, and so on and so on and so on, but the camp is still very strong and it really raises its head higher and higher than those who want further escalation of conflicts. and as you rightly said, dragging out the dragging out of the conflict and, unfortunately, that's in the mainstream. american publications about the

washington post certainly such is this line starts to find support. and it seems to me that this publication cannot be considered in isolation from the publication, which was last week's main leitmotif, which was everything we did. right, we are doing everything right and we must, uh, and we must continue but unfortunately this point of view has prevailed, although in recent weeks there have been many who made critical statements, but, so to speak, doubted, doubted their line, but decided to continue it to continue it bend, well indeed and colin kol, about whom we have already today and said in his speech he emphasized that the west must win the war of attrition, that russia proceeds from the fact that due to the energy crisis in europe, due to the midterm elections in the united states, the west will break, but we should not break. no , he says that russia must break down for the first time,

but we will survive and really, it seems, like in the american political establishment - this point of view prevails, but at the level of the expert community on the part of american realists there are more and more critical voices like henry kinzhar. the same kissinger stressed in his recent interviews that if this conflict really escalates into conflict attrition, the threat of a third world war will rise sharply. now listen to what about this, says another leader of the realist camp in the united states, john wersheimer, professor at the university of chicago, we are redoubling our efforts. we are getting tougher with the russians. that is our strategy. i claim that this is a game on a losing hand, because it is a competition between economic and security considerations, when security is at stake , other countries will suffer greatly before the russians give up. it just shows how american foreign policy is. today, the ukrainian crisis is discredited and is only one of many unrest. arranged.

as you know we have the midas touch only the other way around there is nothing we do well afghanistan iraq libya ukraine i can go on like this i want to say it is not yevgeny petrovich will work well, firstly, i really liked the opposite about midas. and this seems to me to be very accurate, yes. and secondly, the kiss mershamer says that ukraine will always be a much greater national interest for russia than the united states with all the ensuing consequences, including the readiness of terrorists. you know, i have a firm conviction that, uh, the americans. and in general, uh, the western community did not manage to, uh, restore the export potential that was here during the soviet union and which they lost in the nineties. they are not know russia they don't understand us. even those people who i'm here, uh, well it's true long enough has been talking to history. well, here, which, in principle, youth brought us to some kind of fishing boat. not and