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i'm all of you, it's clear if anything, i'm all of you on the skewers. i'm not going to take it upon myself. got me? i will not take it upon myself. ok. it's your problem? the most important thing is to get ahead of petrovka otherwise we all will.
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here the money 3000 is no more. and passports oh, we next to the swamp forgot from last year. lying around, you don't know where you'll lose it, right? do you even know where you're going? well, where to the end then on
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is no longer a pity, thoughts do not drink, hands on. i'm escorting you to other shores. you are a migratory bird. happiness is looking for ways to come to say goodbye and leave again. began tonight to
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my soul about the sea let us go together. delicious cook go me easy and just what you come. you will come, you will come, it will be late. the eternal grass does not bring down, where there is
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god and she. you will cease to dream of me, soon completely, and then a new dream will light up, my house that has cooled down, which from love is looking for love you will understand over the years. and now you do
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not hear and you will not return. true rain summer rain began early today, not leading summer rain in my soul about washes enemies. together we will mourn the mustache of the god of the window.
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the heroes of this story, perhaps, he is sure that to say that life in this retirement not only does not end, lev nikolaevich bobrov acquires new and most interesting, most unexpected colors and shades today in our studio. hello, this is a very special team. uh, in which you, uh, take part in many bands in moscow all sorts of groups of all ballroom dances and historical dances, argentine tango, and i participate in all of them a little. i participate in all dances. and tell me, what is the average age of the participants in these groups, almost all pensioners, who are retired everyone goes to dances, the choice of some new
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direction just when you retired, you thought, well, i studied and started dancing there, yes. retired yes, standard, that means it's five tango dances, foxtrot slow waltzes on sadobyl, and then you know these arias, uh, others there is something uh, sambo rumba is very active dances, jive, please, also latin american all dances . that's the problem. and why do you make such a choice it is this direction that happened, when you retired time became longer, the best time came to rest, what at home, or what to sit? what for? why at home? this is some kind of burden of care, you come to the dance, get ready, firstly, and clean, put on a shirt, trousers, changeable shoes, take with you. and how very good. and
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how old are you now, i am now 85 years old 85 years old. and you retired. i went out. i don't remember even what year i came out in '75. i went to a group there with a disability. and the doctors didn’t tell you, they say, just lev nikolayevich, you just need some kind of calm lifestyle, you better lie down, you better rest , they said more why, but why should he lie down? it is worse to lose one's health in motion. one must always be moving. this is good and wonderful. that's the thing, new communication people and new you understand dating new, that's what's the matter, who fear that it's the other way around? well, how am i i’ll probably be in some kind of danger from this, have you had to convince anyone, because i’m on my own, here it costs me a
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chebulator, i’m slowly dancing now. here, no big deal. well, what of this on the sly? the sun was seen. how is your day? here you wake up, you wake up all these things, we do our own and by 10:00 o'clock we went to the dance every day, so we have a standard monday, tuesday. we have historical dances, and historical dances, 56 dances. you need to know all sorts there, that's what's the matter, romanesque, there are minions. well, there's a lot back there all sorts of french dancing. that's what he 56 dances. we can say that you are engaged in dancing in order to maintain health. quite right. yes, in order to be interesting, no living and health. interesting. live already interest some new acquaintances. you understand, years look simply amazing, there are some complex elements in
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argentine tango that you were not given any. you know how to work out, you have to dance with a partner, there is not always time this is necessary, so that i can see it, of course, and that there are capricious it is not so it is not so, you know it begins. and can you show me or maybe take me for some time as a partner in order to show some element, maybe. so mothers akhmatka, tulva nikolaevich i will tell you
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holds tightly partner. here are simple movements and now a big one. i beg you, well, i'll tell you. you in vain to yourself speak as about what you cannot learn. you just take your partner in your hands, it's okay, nothing happens, but mostly people dance
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single or who have families have things at the moment, at what age or do you also have a family that supports you in this? yes, i'm lonely. i had a wife who passed away. and now i'm lonely. in a sense, dancing is your salvation. yes, including loneliness. and in general, i get
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great, great pleasure from this, great joy from these dances. i am everything is forgotten, everything goes into the past, bad, but only good ahead, try to make it happen. how old do you feel yourself when i was 14 15 years flew by like one month. right now, well, they passed so quickly, because here, well, the whole week in dancing, you understand, in the morning from 10:00 from 10:00 from 9:00, well, and then i still skate on skates. but how did we go on figure skates in paris, we rode 10 pairs of us pensioners.
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and can you imagine lev nikolaevich doing something completely new now, i don’t know how to learn any language yet. now argentina, the santans are busy. here i am argentine, if something new - this is only from the category of dances. and if not here the thought of age, maybe somehow they would allow themselves something new. well, if, of course, i could dump my daughter, 20, completely found all partners who know how close relationships are, of course, of course, everyone in the sanatorium travels together to relax. and in general, and today today you are happy. and why are you no, of course, happy? i'm now here today, classes in the old philistine class, and tomorrow
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practice there yeah, 4 hours today at 11:00 a lesson in historical dances for everyone, that's what it's all about lev nikolaevich thank you very much for our uh conversation. i wish that before you and i broke up. we want to bring a gift from our program to you for your activities that you are so passionate about. here are three butterflies oh great suspenders and white gloves are all you need, yes, what are you passionate about right now, what are you doing. thank you my good 60+ new season tomorrow at the first when you want a big special it doesn't matter what time it is, but when you want a big special three cheeses, it doesn't matter if she's wearing something, is she ready? for the sake of big, you hurried
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more and more. my name is alexander alexandrovich and this ball was thrown over the break. i feel at my best around the table. i even feel like a man, because you understand my strengths enough to play, as they say, almost at full strength of the year, i'll tell you, they somehow pass too quickly. flashed they do not
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burden me. and i have a woman friend. yes, uh, well, we communicate with her alone to go somewhere to the theater to concerts. it's just indecent. here is my inspiration - i'll tell you life is life itself. my name is zoya nikolaevna, i am 76 years old, once in my youth i received a serious sports injury, which chained me to bed happened. you are in the pool for training. i jumped from the tower and entered the head of the back into the interpolist's shoulder, when i came to my
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senses and, uh, they said that they were bedridden. this is all judgment. the first thing i had? yes, this can't happen to me. i'll be fine. and the first step was a long one, learning to sit and walk all over again. well, a very active life after the injury i started because i would like to, like everyone else, i wanted to go, i wanted to see and positive. impossible spiritual uplift from all sides i live alone, rejoicing, enjoying. children , grandchildren, everything is fine. in general, i consider myself, probably, the happiest.
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the next guest of our program, vladimir yakovlev , is a man who conducted his own research among people aged 60+ and called it the age of happiness. hello vladimir hello i am very glad to see you. i am you too, and i am infinitely interested in your research , i must say that it is extremely inspiring and just curious in itself. and i would like to start with an immodest question. and how old are you? i am 56 simply luxurious. thanks a lot. and how old are you i'm 45 looking fantastic? and, well, in general, at the age of 56, this is how it is in our country. yes, in our society it is considered that 56. but these are still men. in
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the prime of life. why are you suddenly so interested in the problem of old age? i would say and uh hmm why such a study? that old age scared you and i was very scared, really. what exactly, and you know, i turned 50 at some moment, and i realized that i was finished, like this, well, i was brought up in a culture, like we all generally speaking, like that, which is based on the idea that 50 starts. in general, more or less, old age is 50-55. well, it was with our parents. yes, if you remember, it's true, i remember that when my dad had his 50th birthday. it seems to me that we, too , yes, that's exactly the same as me, so i was scared. i decided for myself to understand, in general, is there anything for me to catch further, if there is a meaning to live on, if there is a meaning to live on, does anything shine for me at all, can i somehow influence what will
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happen to me? and because it's scary, because you know, you know there, as if they say that people are afraid of death. death is not such a terrible thing. but if you're serious, look at the last 30 years of life. yes, as it were, from 50 to 80 yeah, you look around there are people who feel great. why, like lev nikolayevich, for example. and there are people at the same age who are practically in incessant pain. well i don't know it can only be compared to torture. this is very painful. very hard, very scary. and i asked myself, well, okay. but what shines for me, this or that, and can it somehow not be able to somehow influence , somehow control the influences that come to mind, what is genetics? well , no. this is not genetics, all the studies that exist at all, therefore, they all show that the dependence of what happens to us after fifty is very, very insignificant from genetics. and by the way, you don't like
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the word old age. i don't like well, you know, i think that old age is basically a negative word. the most unpleasant thing is that when they say an old person, they mean that he is subhuman, that he knows the cult of youth. what about youth, by the way, youth, a person is a person. but there for 50 for 60 for 70 is old age. this is degradation. this is already wrong, the last, say, 20 years is not good. yes, such a cult of youth, such a feeling. uh, harsh conditions, like in sparta when it means the old people are unnecessary it happened right now before our eyes, and therefore everything is like this, this is all plastic surgery and everything else. it seems to me that this is so developed, because while you are young, something is needed, as soon as you are a little bit, yes, this is absolutely right, indeed. so it really is. so we are not on the
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brain. it is not entirely accurate to see the situation, because generally speaking. there is what you call old age, that is, a period of extinction, which is quite, naturally, in fact, it is no different from pregnancy. yes, because pregnancy entrance to the world and old age to move out of the world. they are the same. naturally. it's not just that nature designed us to be young, mature and treat us. over the past six years i have met a huge number of people who are absolutely healthy at 70 and 80-90. absolutely it depends on what they do and how they live there studies. there are a huge number of examples of how people do not get sick, and at 30 and 40, and at 50-60 they completely recover and, in general, nature gives a chance there, yes, if we are philosophically correct we comprehend our lives, then we will not carry the burden of the mistakes of youth. if you say, no, of course, on the contrary, listen, you know this
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beautiful phrase, if youth knew, if the old could, yes. do you know who said it, no? i said the french poet andrei tim so it was actually part of his epigram, he said it at the beginning of the 16th century, then old age was 35 years old, now 50 is to a large extent. the beginning of life for a very specific reason, because there is a moment when you are full of energy, because e life is very extended extended. yes, and besides this, you also have, uh, life experience that you didn’t have before. and this is the point of combining life experience and energy. this is a brand new life period this period. this is the happiest period of a person's life, because you have not only those, but those with whom i spoke, of course, and there was a huge number of people with whom i have met lately. here for the new books that are now ready, in which i would like to touch on the specifics for a while, simply, because the examples that i personally read
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in your e-your book aha and they me some. astonishingly, i shot such a beautiful guy whose name is valentin badich, who is well over 70, who was cured by dancing from quite serious joint diseases that he had and she was brought to my studio. he had to perform. i was honestly afraid, because he dances 30 shake uh, here. i think it's all going to be such a spectacle, but look, he danced for 3 hours. so that the whole studio danced with him. i am including him he has fantastic plasticity. and this is not the man who elvis uh, grandpa. let's take a look at it. we are friends for several years in a row engaged in
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water tourism in the spring ended, so it is likely that after the hike in the summer. i felt pain in my back. it turned out that i had a complication of the joints of the flock to offer just such a hospital with my diagnosis . instead of my joints, artificial so titanium ones will now be why i need it, so i was still, uh, considered myself a strong healthy person. i think i still how many inhabitants i will be like this toil. i decided then that medicine could no longer help me. i decided that i had to get out myself. once sitting at home. i heard on the city radio that in the palace of culture of the persian plant , evenings of rest are being held by the stations. i thought this is
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interesting. why am i sitting alone at your house, when people are dancing there, i have to go and see. move live sit hurt lie die. makes such decisions in order to overcome you not the arcs that were with them, but someone is not sick, and suddenly decides to radically change his i will penetrate in general my life to do what they have never done before, but what do you think, who dares to do this here? it's a very desperate courageous act all my life i've been doing this. this is a very valid question, in my opinion. very good, because that's what impressed me the most. i don't know for the last one, it's been 5 years. i met probably well 200 centenarians, maybe
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more people who are there 70-80-90 dancing moving happy and generally amazing. no, this is such a position, old age is not decrepitude. these ones examples work implementation. but what is striking in these people and what i felt after the first year of the train and it absolutely amazed me. look, they're all exactly the same. that is, what they do, how they maintain their health, how they eat. these are absolutely the same things, regardless of the person's geography, gel education, because now everyone is tense. hit the screens. so what should be done. now i will tell you what to do. it 's very simple now firstly, the problem is that with her teach how to live after fifty. this is true? yes, this is how you want, handle it, an absolutely specific set of estonia works on its own. the absolute top
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is what helps the most. uh, especially in your 60s and something that no health practice compares to, so that's dancing. yes , actually, that's why you danced to this nikolaevich , you see how right you are. this dancing is no yoga no pilates. i'm talking about people now, not about what i would like to imagine. yes, that's about the people that i met, who are there in the nineties, 100 which are good condition. and this is what they do. and, uh, paradoxically, the parachute in the world is the eightieth few thousand prochutists who skydive over 80. i know a completely beautiful guy who celebrated his eightieth birthday by going to the airfield and jumping with a parachute. he himself is a sky diver and 80 times in a row without stopping. this is how he is over the celebration. he celebrated his family. yes noted. yes, here, and i have never yet. see what a big
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underdog after 50 you have to introduce him. he will help you with food. now let's talk about food. eh, they eat, they are all exactly the same. when i started joining vegetarianism, i listen. when i started this, i was sure that now i will find a raw food diet, macrobiotics, nothing. and that they all, firstly, eat whatever they want. yeah. listen, they eat for fun, eat everything for fun. here is the only limitation they have they eat little. and now, i would like to touch on one more topic. and hmm, there are still certain stereotypes in our society of what people look like after 50 after 60. what are pensioners? what is the word for old age? i would cancel the word pensioners and, uh, and i sometimes met on the internet wonderful collections of photographs of, say, elderly people, somehow
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fantastically original. here is also a very original version. let's take a look now, and then we 'll talk about this topic. he
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lives in the city of omsk, you will need it igor hear you us? hello in our studio? please tell me igor why do you have a person who is only 27 years old, so interested in older people say that many hobbies are laid down in childhood, there were two increases. i really enjoyed collecting dinosaurs. this is the first, and the second. i loved butterflies. perhaps with age. to speak of antiquities of proportionate appearance, if we are serious, then my interest, he was some kind of unconscious block from the beginning, he was called differently, and i did not
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no age restrictions for their heroes. here, ah, but they were heroes, mostly people of my age, otherwise how my generation dresses, but the thought is about to me, it’s clear that’s why i pretty quickly sent out to this topic and at some point i just laid out the whole photo archive and began to clean it up to collect what is not interesting to me and in the bottom line. what is called remained photographs of grandmothers. here is igor tell me please. what is the goal of the project, is it formulated? the goal of the project yes, in general, the goal simple enough i fix. this is some photo chronicle of what older people look like in russia, uh. may i ask a question? of course you can, right? tell me, wildly interesting, because i saw your photos, and they are beautiful, and, uh , and since i also take pictures of photographers, as if for my books no, it's just very interesting what
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you do, say thank you. and you, and you dress up, you make lighthouses, you dress up your heroes, or this way they dress in reality in life is exactly reality. yes at i have only one heroine with whom we are very close friends. i can tell you later. and this is how people dress in reality, that is, in fact, i catch on the street almost by the hand. this is such an online communication, it turns out that your geography is wonderful, since you live in the city of omsk, it is limited. here omsk and the suburbs, or you say so? travel all over russia and find travel experience in your characters . now the project covers here make no mistake. six cities, omsk moscow st. petersburg first e-e, izhevsk and ulyanovsk great geography. and how do people react when you come up to them and say, oh, you stand so fine. i'm a photographer. i want to take a picture of you. they are not afraid. they say
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why what is and what is it to me is not so, by the way, the story. she revealed my personal prejudice, probably towards these people from the very beginning. i thought this idea might even fail. that is, it seemed to me that pensioners. they are so non-contact that they are scared on the internet, but everything seemed to be the other way around now, a probably 98 percent of people agree. and this part broke some of my stereotypes about these people, of course, there are some incidents. but there are fewer of them than there are such stories when a person responds. towards. and what can you say about a person by his appearance, here are some details that tell you something. if you have some kind of your own research, like vladimir's, some kind of sample has already been formed. what about what can be said? well, in general, clothing is, after all, some cocoon is an aura that we apply out there, and we can say that a lot
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begins the state, starting from how much a person earns, ending in general, his state of the internal, that is, externally. in any case, this is an internal projection, but it happens that a person earns a little. and grandfather is incredibly stylish. such a lady, and, unfortunately, she receives a very small pension of six thousand. here, but if you see her on the street, you never think that she is, by and large, a disaster, because ah, she looks more like a st. petersburg an aristocrat. that is, she always has a coat. everything is well-groomed, here, and she says that the style just does not depend on the amount of money and you also know, but for my part, since i already said that we will make a book about appearance in the age of happiness and sent them as look good after fifty. i'm just here to invite you to participate with her. we will be very, very happy. if you take part in it and we will be very glad to see your photos. yes. i'm
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happy that this happened on our show here is cooperation. be sure to write to me, let's publish it. yes, good app. let's do it so let's arrange a barter if you meet a lady with good taste. you send a fool to the project, if the chef is from a good story, i send him to you to return happiness, let's be a little difficult to share. let's get the details. you discuss already when you write off. and now i would like to ask you the last question igor and how do you imagine your own old age or do you not think about it yet, you this is what you are doing, as an art project that you are interested in very accurately say that most likely, no, not exactly. this is an art project, but still it is clean, but in its old age and, to be honest, i still can’t imagine it in detail and exactly, but i feel i can imagine the state of
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society in which i wanted to meet this age. it must be a society of non -limiters, some stereotypes. there is one in which i say the word in july that you would cancel the word old age, but i would not cancel it. i would like him just changed relationships. e to say e phrase. i was old, i was not ashamed. e somehow did not call. wow. first of all, so that it does not cause pity in any way. of course, uh, i would like to stir up such a story of old age so that i can successfully fit into the project. come back thank you thank you. thank you.
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some kind of social. you know, money is one of the biggest stereotypes that exists about this, that happy old age or a happy age after 50-60 years is only possible if you have a lot of money or, in principle, a lot of money, this is not true because it's interesting for you to speculate how much this overlaps. you know, with some, but eastern philosophy, in part, which once pierced me. here, i read that in japan once upon a time there was such a principle, when at the age of 40 a man, if he grows up children, had the right to leave a note at home that i had left, he changed his name and life. uh, under the change of life 40 years of the then japanese or yes. and i don't know how about leaving, but life changes are an incredibly important thing. it's like new blood. it's like a new breath. this i don't know. this primarily concerns the brain,
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because recently a huge, very deep, very serious study of the human brain was completed, which clarified a number of age-related characteristics associated with the brain the human way develops quite a long time, it develops up to 20-something years and hmm finally figured out the point when we reach the peak of our development, when at 7 years old, the peak of the human brain development reaches 70 years. and here is another very curious thing that means the ability to learn. even the ability to learn increases , the ability to solve increases. uh, contrary to what we think, complex problems are many factorial problems. the only thing to lose? the brain after 50 it loses speed. and here you are interestingly discussed some conclusions. you have done that the most healthy conductors and dancers there are healthy or somehow the most long-lived, that they have conductors or a huge number of long-lived dancers and a lot of conductors before the
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conductor. they live very long. why conductors, and these are relaxed movements to music? this is conducting a dance, in fact. well, ok, it's like, it 's us anyway. hmm, it's still moving in the rhythm of certainty. well, that's a new job. this is what makes your brain dance. it what makes your body work properly is to eat. come out here, the key word is the key, the principle of pleasure is the key, the principle for old age. yes, it's a pleasure, as long as you er, that is, each period of life has its own task, and we arranged it. so the solution to this problem is to support our existence, because it supports our learning in life there in youth. well, we learn when to continue to live there in 30 years. we realize ourselves such a task exists for people over the age of 50. it's the ability to enjoy life on a daily level. yeah, that's why joy of life and pleasure. it's a key
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decision for all of us, there's another, and a terrific , heroine who gets it too. we are satisfied with our kind of activity, which does not stop age from continuing to enjoy it. let's see. is my name yakovlevna not 83 years old, it will soon be 84 on november 26, but in general, i somehow think that i’m not quite an old little one, but i really dreamed all the time that there was some type of machine, which is supposed to drive. well, when they bought me bike, i felt that this is me like a motorcycle motorcycle, in general, the red lines run through my whole life, the car must be loved, as
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a woman you know, i am in life. i consider myself a happy person. i would still ride. i am very pleased with these examples from our stories, because we are talking about our elderly people, because in your books so far, it has come out, of course, it abounds with western examples and there are temptations to say to yourself what? well, of course, there are other living conditions there. there is a different attitude of society, there comfortable, and there you can afford to grow old with pleasure. and well, and so on and so forth, to say that there are few such people in russia, and i was amazed when it turned out that there are actually a huge number of them there is such a beautiful woman lyudmila crow in novosibirsk she is well over 60. she. uh, you know what she's doing, she's in a triathlon, so the reinforcements are - it's the hardest triathlon in the world. triathlon, which means that at first
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we have to swim almost 4 km. then on the bike without stopping 180 km, and then running 42 km in a row takes 9 hours minimum. yes. here is lyudmila voronova, how old she is with us, she is 62 years old now, here she is participating in the triathlon, she wins well , and so on, a question for you. here, and those stereotypes that live not only in our society. i would say it is becoming a global problem. the entire globe regarding what youth is good headman. it's bad, there and so on. it's so very clear. it's profitable, right? to earn money in old age, of course, we do not imagine the scale. to what extent is old age a business business is a gigantic business, physiology, uh, more than half of all pharmacology revenues. more than ten drugs for an elderly person, which we prescribe and which
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he takes in general, now there are two periods and it is very important to separate them, because there is a period from 55 to 75. this has nothing to do with old age in modern society. this is the absolute top of human life, when there is a lot of energy there is health. you just need to deal with yourself and absolutely everything is possible from the point of view of physics and the brain and anything and you can give a million examples, he is there boris latov, well, muscovite residents pass a 10-kilometer ski distance 10-kilometer yes, 10 minutes slower than the 26-year-old world champion. well, 75 years, perhaps in short, to be able to dream. here is another very important point. i don't think we touched on this. you said in an interview that old age. uh, the main fear of old age is the fear of independence. you know, it seems to me that
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the main fear that exists in relation to old age. and most importantly, what needs to be overcome. this is what's after 50 after 60 years. no matter what quality social structure you are in, no matter how much the state supports you, and you find yourself in a situation where you are truly responsible for yourself. you are responsible for your own health, right? because if you're dancing there. if you don't practice, you get sick, you are responsible for your profession, because you either say no. i want to continue. i'll look for a way or would you say no, it's impossible to do this. it is forbidden. you are much more responsible for my life than 30 or 20. i am very afraid that the viewers who will watch our program. this is what he says all the time, i don’t know, older people will talk there. yes, you don't know about life. here, try to get settled, the problem arises when after fifty you try to work the same way you worked, until the next
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one follows. it does not work by the same method, the same principles and the same goals. so you need to change 50 years. er, what are you doing. and how you do it, then it will work. and you are your own fear overcame. that's what you started 6 years ago this project for. yes you are fearless, look to the future or in my life around 50 has changed incredibly, including there is a financial point of view. uh, hmm i now had a lot of money before 50. now there is practically no money, and i am completely different. working. i have a completely different attitude towards life. i can safely say that i am much happier now than i have ever been in my life. thanks a lot. ah, for a lot of useful information. continue your research, please, fans, but i'm one of them. thank you very much. thank you. we are all
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used to the fact that our parents are our strong rear wall protection from troubles and hardships, no matter what happens. they will definitely understand, console and help correct mistakes and give good advice, and as a rule. we are completely unprepared for the fact that someday we will have to change roles with dad and mom, learn to protect them, understand and console them, reaching a certain age. parents begin to depend on us, but out of habit continues to teach life. as respond to their moralizing and not get annoyed. how to maintain normal relationships and not blame yourself for breakdowns. his relationship with his parents was so difficult that he was forced to give up everything and leave his homeland forever. and only the departure of his parents made him think about what he
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was doing wrong because of the answer, he went to the old people. today, his entourage is people over 80 and he has about a hundred of them shortly before his 50th birthday. he radically changed his life, left the highly paid position of art director and went to lead a carving circle. a tree in a local nursing home about how to build relationships with elderly parents and live in peace and harmony with them, how to properly communicate with the elderly, understand them and remain calm. even when it seems that there is no more strength for it. alone with everyone alexander galitsky is glad to welcome you to our studio. i understand that this is the number of observations of the elderly. it led you to the desire to somehow accumulate, or something, this experience and even write a book about communicating with them. yes, well, in general, this story, as it were with me
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parents in relation were complex. i even left the country changed. yes, you changed the country because of complex relations, it’s very difficult, how would it be, how would it all tune in to all sorts of one for the other, just didn’t understand a lot. there in mom in dad. at least a lot of love, but how would i say this. it was very difficult for e to understand each other and then, when they left at all. i went to work with the elderly. it seems to me that your as yet unpublished book may ultimately be extremely in demand, because you it seems to me that you are making some such revolutionary discoveries. seriously, i say, now they are absolutely not joking, because from old age they usually speak in an aspect. what medical? yes, and no one understands this topic, like with psychology, and no one takes the liberty of it. and we all tell
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each other to you, maybe in a cafe we ​​tell that i don’t know there, mom behaves like that, dad, he made christmas trees-sticks, when they are there, i don’t know, they annoy me or how they brought me climbed into blog began to look. that's what you say, just a huge number, as it were, experiencing people on the topic of a huge number, experiencing suffering there is no way out. that is, there people share some of their misfortunes and do not understand how to deal with it. uh-huh, in the same place, in general, when you begin to realize that time is moving on another elderly person, let's let him get up, get up from his chair and walk it for him. this is work. i now have this time with me and i have this, when it began to reach me, that is, let's say i call someone there in the apartment. yes, i say, where is vasya, where is he why he didn't come still still says, he left. i say, well, he will come now. no, well,
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in 15, if you don't come in 15 minutes, call me. he needs to go down the corridor, go down and come in, that is, as if time flows differently, for example, it is harder to stand up than to sit down. this must be realized. i need to understand this for us in order to communicate with them, each of us is afraid of old age. and so i think, e became the rest. so i wanted to ask, yes less. i'm already in the first place, i know that i will definitely have a walker. i already feel well, you see. when do you look at these people? well, it will probably be so, that is , we also have our own illusion of old age, so they grow old. and i'll be hoo. i have a way to look at myself. there in 20-30 years. and so, in general, this is an interesting way, because, of course, of course, yes. well, you think, well, nothing is fine there , well, yeah, we'll manage, and you are doing, uh, history is woodcarving. in general, it's like
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this is the old carving. what is it like? i don't know, because i actually did it there. i was director. in general, i did it, so to speak. how to say so? uh, computer graphics for a very long time. and when they offered me i also said that this is impossible at all, because there are sharp tools, hammers, boards, and a roar there, so to speak, all the work. so he gives, of course , here, so to speak, a very big incentive to these people. feel yourself. this is exactly what you understand, all the theater, in fact, comes to me, because it’s good for everyone, what you need to understand relatively speaking, having elderly people in your house, in order not to running into them there, well, scandals to quarrels are just one thing. you have to see yourself in it. if there is hissing at you, at you, if there is some kind of hissing going on at you, like this one, so to
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speak, then this is not because you are not to blame. and you're not to blame for anything. just to put it this way, it so happened that you fell under a hot hand under a hot crutch. i say, yes, and that means, as soon as you understand, this is the reason, then you begin to feel sorry for this character. you kind of, you know, you're not mad at him. you can't get angry. you must be absolutely calm, as if no emotions and real ones are possible. that is, you can manifest. how would love, yes, well, respect love is warm, but in no case should negative emotions be experienced, they can be played there, play anger to play, but in no case be angry. that is, once you understand what to say, everything becomes very simple, and old age is when, from your point of view, or an old woman, it is. from what moment is a six-year-old woman swimming there five styles in the pool? well, she's definitely not an old man,
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but she, in my opinion, is not an old woman, yeah, here or there, i don’t know that he’s been a character for 101 years, he had a lens in his eye changed at 100 years old. that is, it means that he could come to me and continue soberly along the tree. uh-huh well, that means up to 130. well, yes. i generally say that the one who carves supports. i think that it may be a little easier for you than interaction, albeit with a huge number of, so to speak, elderly people, but you are still not a relative. yes, this is such a distance at which you can look and come to terms with this fading away. after all, probably one of the reasons for our e difficult showdown with our elderly parents and grandparents is that we don’t want to. humble we want them to be strong it's
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like that. i don't know, well, how to say, it's just like that. mm, such a natural phenomenon. yes, you are not you, you can want, you may not want. can you say so with him, well, you can’t fight with him, because you can’t win with you. so you, as it were, just need to realize and understand and how to give a person, uh, how to be himself, that is, to understand that these children's games that they play are important. no matter how strange they seem to me to us, and to see these here in this oldest person of your father, whom you idolized there, and your mother, who raised you there. yes, but say nothing to do with it. that is, it just needs to be accepted somehow, and we, uh, in general, we are doing this in this book , and i kind of explain about it. here, as it were, these here, uh, these ways, why is it all happening? yes, and answering simple specific
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questions. why do people, for example, sit on a bench and watch? yes, why is it important to them, they are looking for the impressions they need. that is, just like us, it’s also easy for them, in general, to find ways to say to absorb the impression, because without impressions of reading in general is much more important than physical gifts, so to speak, or something like that, you uh, write, and old people are people who can easily eat you up and just start opportunities. why don't i know? the fact is simple an absolute fact, behind which weakness is like such a law of a wolf, as soon as anger begins, you start this very thing. here, in this place , this very thing begins, that is, in no case should you show that there is something like that in you , some kind of hooked there, somehow,
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for us in order to communicate with them, he gave up everything to lead creative circles in a nursing home, a sharp instrument, hammers. there are boards, yes, there is a roar, so to speak, it gives all the work, of course, it’s very big, so to speak. stimulus these people come to me, because alexander galitsky is good with him, you write quite a lot about the need to transfer the conversation to other safe topics. eh, and what do you need to study for this? this should be trained , relatively speaking, before your parents, er, in this one, let them age so much that you, therefore, will have to apply. and how is this what it means to translate conversational security on the topic of how to train it? as what kind of manipulation, so such was the first to come up with. that's all psychological analysis of the situation up to there, i know there to say e showdown on the street there is given to smoke there is not.
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you don’t, everything is there, that is, there is some sort of, so to speak, psychological uh, such a prelude to something yes, and as soon as a person enters this one, so to speak, the question answers , understanding perfectly what awaits him there flashlight, after all. you need this, as if with this one, the same thing with me. yes, as soon as you begin to understand that this question through questions you will become a dead end, you need to physically change this story somehow yes, that is, come up with. some kind of move that dramatically changes the subject, which i know there, there, so to speak, and leave this dangerous place, because, for example, i really love it when they start talking to each other. it's like at this time at this moment you can relax. it seems to me that many elderly people tend to throw in such rather provocative topics, in particular, talking about death. this is what confuses, but usually children and grandchildren. like when i'm about to die, i
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'll die. what to say at this moment is a dangerous topic talking about death or pretty safe? she is very safe, that is, firstly, it is not very fond of talking to ricky very much. this is what we are afraid of. but for them it is not. uh scary. no , it's not scary. there are people who tell me, i’m not afraid, in general, so to speak, the elderly get tired of living, death is perceived as such a psychological physiological act, which, in general, is here tomorrow, here he is in the corridor, and he has become, he ceases to be some- then a dramatic very difficult act, in general, it becomes everyday like that. how do you talk to your a-a disciples about death, if they talk to you, why go far? i was still working there yesterday, right? and so they say, here we are now, now we are with you, then we are going to the
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cemetery, which means that two people died today. that is, it is absolutely everyday, like this, yes, like this . well, now we'll work out, then we 'll go. yes, i say, you know how in my meets there i come. it looks good. so lit up. he says, well, i'm in the cemetery every day in the fresh air, and israel and such a very specific one of yours. humor. i would say undefeated absolutely grandiose. what should i do? and you can afford to joke about this topic? yes, of course, i do understand my position. i'm their teacher. yes, i can corner them. i can't put them down because it's hard for them to get up. and, in principle, how could i punish there. i say, listen without parents, don't come, just read something like that, for the next lesson. uh, i don't have that kind of breath, i mean, no, like that. here is grandpa yes, such a grandfather. well, this is such a person.
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we work together with him. we are with him, i i look at eye level, as if we have such an expression, yes, so to speak. well, uh, i'm not looking down, not down, and we're looking the same, but to our parents' child. eh, it is possible to overcome this priority, and the authorities of an adult who has grown old, to whom yes, i behaved like this with my grandfather with my own. i remember what to say like this. e beloved grandfather. i had one. here is the food. uh, what are you, how would you bet? for yourself, here you are, as it were, you understand, these are all problems. yes , try to understand, you cannot understand them, but you you try to understand all the problems, health, all these problems here on the accumulating psychological severity and everything-everything-everything you raise yourself to this age, and he lowers himself a little at this moment. you become his friend. and you can't be you can't speak you can't. uh, as soon as it starts to
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say this, uh, such a polite breath is like that. yes , this is badly capricious. they they they don't want friends they i need to say respect and i need less than just love and something like that, so say, uh human relationship. exactly. here friends friends leave, and they have a friend. yeah, and in principle, any of the children of grandchildren can become even more friends with the elderly. don't argue, it's useless. so what to do? but what about? if there parents want something, i don’t know, there is either mom or dad something that he doesn’t need. i don’t know that my mother has diabetes there. she can’t have sweets, because it is dangerously deceiving, you have to slip it. something i don’t know how to do, but i have to tell e to argue, because she will still be it
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grab will still take it. uh, well, you need to look for some more creative approaches. i once my mother-in-law, for example, steamed in the microwave to drink. so here we just bought a new thing, smeared it and issued a delay. yes, because if it were new, yes, very dear, and so smeared. she said, we have the same what dirty around all the people. not like that, yes. that is, creativity solves problems. yes, they join here in this butting foreheads huge in that we do not really want to agree. well, well, in the depths of ourselves myself in order to admit that, well, yes, i've come to the moment that i became older than my
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parents. well, what we are, well, i don't know when it happens, but it definitely happens when parents begin to perceive you as their father and mother. when they tell me, it was calm, quiet there yesterday, there was almost no one there, because our parents took us home. who took? and it is children. well, they already call children parents. yes, yes, he says, well, yesterday it was quiet we have parents parents to pick up. well here's the parents they take decision to poke him. here, i've come to you. here it is . you're just it's all here somehow in the same way making a decision. in general, they should feel you understand and think that they have accepted it. they are one thing that struck me in yours. and on your blog, that we have different logic, or something, with very elderly people, that you can say that i don’t know how to give some kind of argument, but they
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read completely different information for a while, then somehow dressed or the one in which you speak or there is something else to think of your own and in general, the most the main thing is that he feels this warmth, and words are not needed at all, in general there is a touch, there is some kind of so to speak. that's where you hold the man. i'm just passing. and that's all, as you would understand. eh, when you start to communicate, yes, to say, you just go to the warm-up, take it and pass by. and you were already with him. like here a second. how are you old people? here the teacher continues. this is also one of the so to speak. well , to instruct hell. yes? okay, okay, here's how to uh deal with it and why uh, let's say, they are so afraid, that something will happen to you, they are trying, how to take care of you as a child? what are you, until you take the helm in your hands. well, yes, but then he also
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tries to take away from you, too, of course they say, yes, i'm on the helm there a little no, well, it's just human to say so. uh, help, as if to warn. yes, as if to try to warn and the more so because they are, as it were, the older the person, the, er, the circle of opportunity. it narrows down . only words remain. he can't really help you, that's why i say that there are two truths, one is true. say, she is bitter, the other is sweet and it is necessary to be sweet, really use it, but don’t tell bitter, in general, but a wonderful joke, as in childhood there were such poems relatively, because the sea is blue, the sky is blue, dad is strong, mom is beautiful. and so, that this formula should also work for the elderly. well, of course, yes. no. well, you can't. well? well? well, here it is, snot again. well, why should you dedicate everything that your parents cannot help you with this, they need to broadcast it more. you're all right. everything ok. they must understand that they did not go through theirs in vain
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. calmness and patience are his main rule in dealing with people of age. they tell me sasha is a chisel, not sharp. but you specifically gave me such a solid tree, that is, and so you think, well, well, do you understand that yes? ok then. it's just that you take the situation somewhere and try not to ignore it. we are mistaken in thinking that old people are afraid of death, death is perceived as such a psychological act, which, in general, is tomorrow, here he is in the corridor, and it has become, it ceases to be some kind of dramatic, very difficult act, in general, the station is so everyday, so elderly people need love much more than the respect of friends they want me to say respect and need less, than just love friends.
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you see, friends leave, and their friend alexander galetsky. another problem that you write about, er, and which i think is known to many, is that you found out in the process of working with old people that it turns out to be fatigue. uh, from communicating with them not depends on the given time, that instantly it piles up? yes it is. and why is that energy vampirism like that? it's easy to explain, you find yourself in a situation that is difficult for you. yes, you get tired instantly, because the situation that arises. it's like she's not controlled by you. it's just kind of like that. as soon as you become the leader in this flock and there is less fatigue, and they are waiting, you understand, they are looking for , uh, and our elderly grandfathers, they are looking for. uh shoulder. actually. they want what they are already tired of
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lead life. they want to lean there and be strong, as it were, that is, here is the strength, it gives everything, in principle, and this strength and the warmth of the strength is warmth. this is such a laugh inside. it's like, uh, a way to not get offended. ways, as if understanding, again i come back understanding, uh, as if the reasons for what is happening, uh, which allows you. here, how not to pay attention to these facts here, which i really want to get angry and answer, that's all. that is, you kind of look at the essence and stop seeing this husk and events, which are really. it's a shame, really. how hard it is, then, to put up with them somehow, e, but you understand the reasons for this, you forgive , i must say that in russia, too, there are now such absolutely, as it were, a new trend. i would say
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there was such an institution called grandfather garden. ah, in which here hmm older people can come, who can come by themselves, whom you relatives bring, uh, so that, as for the organization of a real kindergarten, that you are some part of the day, and the elderly spent together in some then games, and then in the evening their parents come and take them home. yes, and now i want you and i to look at a story about one of these kindergartens. hello start the new season here some families. yes, when there is an elderly parent or relative in the family, yes, who cannot be left at home for the day, when the children go to work, go on a business trip, they don’t want to give away a person. yes, in uh stationary nursing home facilities. uh, therefore, this kindergarten for the elderly will be
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a way out. they come they understand that they can do something, this is firstly, secondly, uh, when they can make a souvenir with their own hands and give them a gift, and they don’t feel that they need something that they can do it, and in general, everyone is just happy and satisfied. look, it's all annoying. it 's all so interesting. all youth clubs, where young people meet dancing on the beach, and there is a club. that's how our day club is, but for older people. and we spend our time. and here i am, you distracted me a little. i'm here now here we have a big master in checkers, i'll try. i'll play with him and maybe even manage
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to beat him. yes? well, everything, in short, yes, let's go. do we have a pool? you know i get great pleasure from this water. i get up, my joints in front of me stop hurting. is there a need for a family? yes, in which nu does not live with his parents, yes, well, takes care of his elderly parents. and now they really bring these people to the center to us. they are sure that their parents are here are looked after with them. everything will be fine. during the day. as a matter of fact. the lights go out, the music plays, it’s pleasant, the atmosphere all this breath is very fresh and we observe a romantic picture of the stars in the sky, the moon gives the
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impression that you are in some kind of thunderstorm, where it descends from just such virgin ones. pillars with pleasure go here. yes, in our country it is the norm that there is an institution for children, because parents work. as
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for the old men, we are, in general, coping, who can say? everyone has their own scenario. care. well, maybe, if so to speak, to bring this logic to the very end. if the old one is small, then maybe such a garden, in your case in israel, this is such a kind, so to speak, a nursing home, which well, not really, it looks like a russian nursing home, almost like that, what i see is, that is, these are our people there . they somehow still spend the night there. they live in their own apartments. and it's basically the same. it's the same story. that is, as if people come to you, people come to do something. the problem is old age, what people becomes a little aesthetic? you need to find all this aesthetics, you understand the aesthetics of old age, because you correctly said that there is a child there. yes, he is like this, like this, as the
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unkempt legs say, she doesn’t say that. but this, when the legs of the hozhka are already there for 80 years, yes, it’s all so kind of, and it’s to find this beauty and aesthetics and understand, behind this, because people inside they are such children, they are all of them to everything do all children understand? i say there are three kinds of children. uh, little middle aged and old you know then is, but others are not. and so i had cases when there, so to speak, ninety years old, people discussed in some kind of a new woman, who was some kind of old woman. yes, well, yes, yes. she's kind of an ugly old woman, isn't she? uh-huh, i have to tell you that i have already noticed these symptoms in me. even once i asked this question to social uh social networks and found that cleverly we do n’t give such an account at all. how much. well, here, we subjectively look at ourselves, because it happens to me that i look at a person. i think someone elderly, uncle, then you understand, he is younger than me
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actually, this elderly, uncle understand? and in my mind, i’m just talking about this, that we don’t see ourselves, you see, we do n’t see ourselves. we think that we are such kids there, but some of you know the aesthetics of beauty in this. eh, you need to be able to do this. in fact , this is dictated by such a compaction, or something, the activity and informational bodies of some kind make us and our careers completely different. now they want you all without a trace. who then? well well, how to solve the problems of an elderly person, and this kindergarten or what are you doing? you are absolutely. well, the way out, or something, in a sense, i also have a feeling of being in demand. and as for the older generation, people need to be that's it. they are. well , when they are inside this society, they, firstly, they are also divided into beautiful, ugly and less beautiful. that is, they, as it were, they make it easier for him to
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socialize about it. in what sense competition among? yes, i have a 97-year-old woman there who can say that there is that twelve-year-old and make a career knows how to make a career. i can't. yes, yes, she did a personal exhibition there or something hung work. yes, yes, that's it, in principle, she knows how to make a career, and i haven't learned a dog yet ahead. you sometimes joke with your wards that you are them well, either constantly, but you joke specifically for unsuccessful work in them, leave it for the second year, well, this is again a game with time, just yes, i absolutely say so. of course, just happy. and you can call a talented boy a girl called thanks, thanks. i once said to say to a person who
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survived the catastrophe there, it means that this is the most aushevite in the camps, everything is a talented boy. thanks boy. you deal with the fact that they're leaving. well, in general, how to say? but i'm doing such a project, generally artistic, and i take these works. not finished, right? but i finish them in my own way, that is, so you understand, he, when a person does this work, he that's all , the eagle's nose turned out there. yes, so that the eye is there, so that there paws he has everything and somehow very treats with care. and if suddenly it is interrupted, here is my project. it's called failing
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. i say that in every school there are still students who do not have time to finish in my school. yes, and this track is not doing well. i just, so to speak, take this board, turn it over and treat it like a white sheet. it’s just that you draw something different on it , it helps me to put a point somewhere inside to say in my soul with this character. the time comes and we change roles with parents a person is older, the circle of his possibilities narrows . only words remain. he can't help you, really at any age. has its own beauty. the main thing is to be able to see it. here you need to find the aesthetics of all this, you understand the aesthetics of old age, because i had cases where for several years people were discussing a new woman, who was some kind of old woman. yes, well, that's it, she
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's some kind of old ugly woman. yes, he is still going through a hard time when his students pass away, you look, everything is done here. this one was sitting sat here. there is even more of this good school there than i have people who have left now. how quickly did you get used to it? well, i'm not used to it yet. alexander galitsky, why else is there such a metaphor that one compares oneself with a flight attendant? why a flight attendant? because he cannot take a person to open a window for him and throw him out the window. from an airplane. true well can't just, well the same, i can't. i can’t kick him out of the room, you know, i literally flew off today and watched a scene that i really like, understandably. uh, some very old woman. uh, tried cleaning the conductor. uh, find out some
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information that's being flown. they just didn't have the answers to that question. and i looked with what that's it, that's just purely laid down. here's my theory, i watched this, with what patience, as it were, this girl explained. she told her i'm doing my job this information. i don’t know, i’m sure that everything will work out for you so the girl returns. and he said the same thing, but i would , of course, somehow not say the same thing in your situation. i would somehow try to switch it or make it laugh or something else. well, that's what it means to say. i understand perfectly. this girl, because i myself am . you, as you said, here is what is very optimistic not a story. that's what you do because you see people live to be almost 100 years old and able to enjoy life as much as possible and what did they
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teach you? here's some fortitude even. well, you see. for example, when i was i don’t remember how old i was, somewhere around 18. it's hard to imagine the year 2000. i thought, here in 2000 i will be 42 years old, so that they don’t represent at all further. and when you see this, uh, these people who are well over 80. yes, and you understand that they are generally happy, maybe not all day, because in some part of the day they suffer from their illnesses go on check. but now, when you see that they are laughing at the top of their voices, then this, in general, is worth living for, because people are frightened, you understand, even this is impossible. we are everything we want to live long, but we don't want to grow old, but guys. well, something is not quite right. nobody wants to die young or please, yes, if you don't like the alternative, come on, now yes, you don't want to. and how old are you now sasha, how old are you 58 58
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do you feel signs in yourself? here then we are now arguing with you ladies. these old people - these are separate people, and you, when old age comes with you, does it come? relatively speaking, in your children it’s already hard with you in some ways. of course, i think it's hard. i don't at all i know when, here, when a person turns from an ordinary fool into an old fool, i don't know, well, everything is relative, again. i think you understand. when i worked as an art director, and i was surrounded by young young beautiful people, and at some point there were 48-49 years old. i felt myself. exactly this. there such a person has already been killed, yes, and a bald head. i went to the old people and became young again. hmm, everything tells me, you are here in general, my guys are talking. how many
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of you 58 environment begins, for example, in your children, and something like that. manage to throw some thoughts before you begin to sink into infancy, that you tell them in your own children, guys, put me on. yes, leave me alone. let me live 20 years. she , i feel her responsibility to me, you could formulate some main things for her, they say, dear, what is his name is your point, neo means when i become an old fool we don’t know when this will happen, but it will happen sooner or later. remember that and here are some i don’t know, there are three main rules to live yes, how to treat you, to survive happily with your daughter in this sense, so that no one gives each other problems, so that you tell her, the most important thing. no , well, in general, to say, you understand how impossible it is
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to convey your experience. but it's impossible. i don’t know how it is now, there is a 58-year-old father. i understand that there is, as if you could not do what happened to you . retransform and and put it like a disk , but in the head of the children, so that they do not make mistakes, where they made mistakes. you are impossible, and the same thing, how to say, she herself will find. i think how to somehow how to calm me down, than because everyone lives this here in general, probably the beauty of this nature and life, that everyone lives their own life, and you can’t. uh, nothing. i remember my grandfather now. i think, god, he was right. it's there, so to speak, that's where he began to grunt, looking at me and at my mistakes here. yes hmm i don't want to say youth, but mistakes yes and so, well, he was right then, but he couldn't explain to me, it's because we were
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on different planets. that's why i say that we we are. we are completely different in the galaxy . that is, you have it there, so to speak, at 40 or at 30 it doesn’t matter. at what age do you have the world , you have your own worries, and you, as it were, they seem to be the main ones in the universe in general, these worries need to be solved; he has completely different ones. well, in general, it is necessary that she checks someone the day after tomorrow, he downloaded home and somehow came to his senses. writes leg did not hurt. by the way, here is your left one, yes, yours, just again she was already ill, they asked when the old man. yes, get ready for us with a walker, because the leg steams, but the main thing is that you prepare for this fearless. i would say so. well what to be afraid of what well, we know? what kind of horse is this? it's all bad. thank you very much for our
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conversation. we wish you success in your book, which i think will be very readable. a gifted child is the dream of many parents. a child prodigy is a miracle child that distinguishes him from ordinary children in that he gets used to working with his head from childhood, and his mental abilities develop much faster. than others. she always loved to study at the age of 5 i read all 26 volumes of jules's collected works correctly, while peers ran around the yard. she solved problems in order to quickly move to the next class, and at 13 she entered moscow state university. like her, only 10% of the world's population, these percentages include both simply capable and talented and a genius, and only 10% of young
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talents develop their talent so much that in adulthood becomes outstanding professionals, and out of 90% of geeks. in the end , ordinary average citizens grow up. about how easy it is to be a gifted child today alone with all the recognition of the child prodigy irina polyakova i am glad to welcome you. in our country, you know, i must say, the modern desire for the comprehensive development of children. sometimes it seems there is a selfish desire to assert themselves parents. and sometimes, maybe you can look at it differently. here's your expert opinion. i would say, because you are a child prodigy, but is it good to be a child prodigy? well, i can say, so for your child. i would not want such a story.
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why high expectations and the habit of achievement it came to the fact that everyone expects something from you, it is sometimes very difficult to unfold in adulthood . and how early did you even realize to yourself that you have some kind of, uh, amazing abilities. i would not say that i had any outstanding, but talents for something specific. yes, i just love learning. it was interesting to me hmm i have. i was good at math. i am very glad that i learned to read, but the conclusion, for example, at the age of 5, in my opinion, was read. yes, it was at 5 years old. yes, you know, there is such a logic about a child prodigy. so it was born a child with talent, god gave him or e. here, you must be unhappy. this is his parents , maybe troit, as if, if his parents had not invested in him so much, then he would have been a normal child. here, what version of you did your parents pull you up like that, or, well, what to do, they
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were born like this about me. it can be said for sure that there was a lot of effort. yes, there was a lot of work and habit to work, your mother is a teacher, and as i understand it, it’s actually thanks to her and her, but perseverance and just her work. uh, you started showing up. these are some extraordinary learning abilities. she even came up with some kind of her own methodology, in my opinion, yes, in order for you to develop it , a specialist in early development was given. yes, she works with kids up to school junior school age. here, well, perhaps, his own technique. this is strongly said. that is, it has not been patented anywhere and has not written books on this topic. well, yes, she has a certain approach. and you were not interested in what it was connected with, then you did not ask. mom, why did you decide to say so, sitting with me at home, here, start me to develop a difficult question so intensively. no, i wasn't interested in her. i know that uh, as she told me. it was her
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decision from the very beginning, but it's hard to say what it was connected with, maybe she'd better tell about it. well, let's listen to what your mother told you. the fact is that when she was born, and her husband immediately decided that there were no kindergartens, that i would not work, i would leave my job, i would raise a child, because i was tired of watching crying children who are dragged early by kindergarten and well, si just like that, i can’t be a teacher at home. therefore, from the first days i talked to her, but at 4 years old we didn’t have circles, we were accepted for 7 years. we had it in the morning, as if as a game, but as if the lessons of mathematics were getting acquainted with the surrounding russian and composed. i agreed with the teacher in zero and her. well, at least a little. well, they said, only if she was written six years old, she couldn’t write six years old, the teacher took her to the second grade in another
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teacher. everything was fine, but she she left, uh, for india and i had to take her with me. this is where the problems started when she was taken in. my class is difficult. i needed to pull it. there are many games, too, everything is in the game. i speak and mouths know it all. well, decide, well, she did raise her hand. i have already done assignments there, how it does further, and in general, and she speaks to me in december. mom, i finished all the russian mathematics here the world around. and reading. well, what to do? she says i want to be in fifth grade. and so she went to the fifth grade, and there it turned out. so that english, and not half a year, had already been taught, and here the teacher told her. you see, irina polyakova learned more english in 2 weeks than you did in the six months that i was sitting with you and that's it. and here they go to her teacher, then they didn’t live with her when they tell us, but we never
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considered her a child prodigy, because she’s just an extraordinary person. and we tried to break these extraordinary abilities in her, so we developed them, and then the potential itself is completely. she didn't reveal. here, uh, judging by the way that she went to learn, again she still wants to she wants to improve. in the yard is a complicated story. i am a late child of such very cautious parents, so let's be honest, well, i didn't go out for a walk much . dad, i rode a bike back and forth in front of my eyes, for example, i fell in front of my eyes. yes well that is, we can say that the training was. actually, the only alternative to somehow spend time, yes, but toys in terms of toys. they were more like games. i learned to play chess early with my dad and so on, the toys are on the level there
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dolls with dolls. somehow it was interesting. there were some plots to play as a doctor, to do injections there, to cook food, to feed with food, somehow it didn’t work out. i don't really like to cook right now. what age were you when you graduated from this school at 13:00. that is, ah, firstly, it is necessary. before, i went, respectively, at the age of 6 to the first to 5 zero. then in six months the third six months, the fourth in the summer, the fifth and then in the sixth, which at that moment switched to 11 years. tired seventh. that is, it turned out that in the past i started in the third year the next year somehow so in the seventh i was then nine years old. after that, i didn't jump anywhere. uh, calmly, they finished their studies until the age of 13. e at school. what is summer? have you completed the program? the fifth grade somehow accelerated and could not stop. here, even on
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vacation, i didn’t feel like it a little. well, somehow i don’t know, it’s conditional to swim and sunbathe there, i don’t know how to argue there. we didn't go for sports. i didn't do much. i read books. and i really liked math. and i've always been praised for what, yes. eh, it’s not just because they loved it for what it is, yes, i remember, uh, mostly some positive emotions, but from the fact that i achieved something. uh-huh yes, well done, what did you do, well done, and you get used to it and somehow you want to live more and praise. guys , it's nice to move mountains further, this turns into the very motivation then well done well done and you remember that your parents were quite strict with you and say that my parents never asked me for forgiveness. and i'm learning this with my son, this is how you wrote on your page on the social network. and
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why do you think it happened? it's kind of like that. well, here is the peculiarity of parents such an attitude that it is impossible to understand authority? yes, yes, i remember that very well. uh. in general, since childhood i have been such a fighter for justice. i felt something very strongly. ah, that's really unfair. yes, uh in any situation. and uh, it offended me that at some point my parents understood that they might be wrong in some situation, but they never admitted it, then my mother said when i got older, i asked her. why actually? well, how is this to drop authority? how to admit that you are wrong in front of a child? but i really felt it clearly, and it seems to me that the relationship would be better if they didn’t also try to be so right, distant, indisputable and somewhere admitted that yes, here, here we messed up. forgive me yet you say about yourself that you are daddy
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's daughter. and why is there such a denser emotional connection with dad? difficult to say why it is so, well, in childhood yes , in childhood, it seems to me that way, and it was. uh, it didn't turn out, i don't look like a mom anymore, really. she also often said this, but hmm in some kind of intra-family. not even conflicts on some small disputes there, but in questions. uh, i don't know what program to watch on tv there. somehow i always give more support to dad, maybe dad accepted you more not only for your achievements, just because, well, maybe a daughter . she always learned faster than her peers. a lot earlier i went, respectively, at the age of six, the first 5 zero, then in half a year the third half a year. for the fourth year in a row, irina was a very purposeful child. i remember, and mostly
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some positive emotions, but from the fact that i achieved something, that parents never asked her forgiveness at some point. i understand that they may be wrong in some situation, but they never admitted it, then my mother told me, when i got older, i asked her. why exactly? well, how do you decide? how to confess what is not the rights of the child? irina polyakova here is another moment of communication at school, about which you say that you, so to speak, your feeling of loneliness. it just stuck there. and what is why? that is, when a child is not like all this of course, well, children, they are on their own, uh, especially such not not very grown-ups. yes, they are quite cruel and, uh, such uncompromising people, let's say, so they certainly do not like it when someone is different from them. yes, that is, it is some such here. a community yes, in which if you
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something is different, then you need to put a lot of effort in order to be accepted there, you applied these forces. i apply by all means to me i am a very uh such a social person. it is very important for me to be on vkontakte with others. yes, i really wanted to communicate, especially since this was not enough school. i was very interested. i wanted friends, i wanted to communicate. but, on the one hand, there was envy, of course, and yes, and moreover, the more achievements there were, the more this envy was included on the part of some, but there were moments that encouraged even by teachers. that is, it was manifested by teachers. no, not envy, but rather some. well, such, uh, strengthening the demonstration of this my personality. yeah, i mean, uh, i still remember being in seventh grade. i was called to the blackboard. he says, look,
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this girl is 9 years old, she wrote a test for five, and you are all on the track. you are just chocks with eyes, and well, of course, this does not cause love. yes, the nationwide was guaranteed after such words. basically, it seemed to me that any human. if he wants to, he will try. he will also be an excellent medalist there, he will also study well. yes, in general, i have not won any international competitions. yes, no, uh, there are pilaria, that is, i did, in principle, everything the same as my peers. it just might be more efficient. yes, faster. sometimes i didn't understand better. why, actually, what doesn’t love me so much, so i tried very hard. eh, somehow deserve it. yes , this is love, than well, i don’t know the control yes , they took a bicycle, they got out here. well, what will we take and how did you manage to earn love after that? one reason why? i would not want
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my child, for example, to be a child prodigy, that's right, that's the danger of distortion. yes, a person is very successful in one area, usually in the area of ​​\u200b\u200bachievement. that's where he gets talent, but in terms of socialization. he suffers from his broken contacts with friends with uh of the opposite sex often. yes, the same thing that happened to me, because ah. i've always been great to learn, and to make friends uh go somewhere meet. i was small in terms of parents, of course. or maybe there was still a problem in the fact that such a serious age difference, that is, you were nine, and your classmates are 12 3 years old, there are a lot at this age. this is 13. these are already people who are just teenagers girls girls. and it's not so much a study in the head. how much actually, just a matter of relationships. the first plan comes out, and you are here with your
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little teeth, as they say, the problem is that and since i am really very wounded, but almost from the moment i went to school. i was already, when here i am from a purely family cell. yes, let's say, she went into society. i was on par with them. who was older than me. i used to perceive myself as well, that is, to me, and there intellectually morally. i was conditionally 12 there. yes, in the same place as they are or there 13, but, but outwardly, of course, here. eh, it was such a baby. yeah, and with pigtails, here, which i don’t know and weren’t allowed to put on makeup when i went to the senior classes, because, well, where are you going? this feeling of inconsistency. something, as if in some strange body, yes, that is, you seem to feel differently. and you look well done, and at the same time a total loser. yes, for now, let's listen to your classmates, what she recalls about the time i plan as with sad eyes. she is always focused, always busy with some
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sad thoughts. uh, you could see her funny only in physical education classes, that is, some kind of mobility did not appear and, uh, objectively , she was much smaller than us in height physique. still, 3 years of difference was very felt and the blue uniform that we all wore then was objectively great for her. well, it’s just that she’s not designed for such an age, and it seems to me that every step in irina’s life brought her discomfort, a crisis, did the teachers and we ourselves with certain parents really relate? yes , such, but hmm an additional ball in her favor due to the fact that she is, as it were, weaker than our natural younger. i remember that moment when at the first meeting. after there 10-12 years after school, we ira saw us, a person gathered, probably 13 from the class, and no one ever knows who will come. this is
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a small surprise. here ira suddenly appeared it was perfect. here is a gorgeous woman. with such hair, of course, no one recognized her. everyone asked if it was polyakova. it was definitely polyakova. but then they hugged there, uh, and it was so great, but it was really nice for her. you see, this one is more appropriate. ir but such a situation, it should give rise to internal protest. well, one minute you don't relatively speaking, i wanted to slow down and say, but i won’t study, but i don’t know there, well, so as not to stay for the second year, but now i ’m talking some kind of crazy. well, there, here, enter into some kind of age correspondence, stop trying so hard , stop learning so much and get ahead. but the fact is that well, how to slow down, well, really stay in the second year, or what? no, perfectionism did not allow, but hmm to study itself - these were no questions. it
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was interesting and easy for me. it was really interesting to me and in general yes it is easy. now, if you turn back, that from childhood you can directly fix and say that normal communication with peers was missed. and as in childhood itself, so what is probably even more important and even more difficult to catch up later . this is the teenage period. teenage early such early adolescence. yes , when you just learn to be friends normally, you learn to meet with the opposite sex. yes, you are stuffing your bumps. yes, i didn't have any of that . i have this piece, it was completely turned off for me, and then it suddenly turned out that everything was like i would have grown up. i'm no longer a prodigy. well, all my life i just studied and studied. and now it seems like everything is possible, but i can’t do anything at the age of 13. you graduated from high school and immediately entered the university. yes, but here i did not want to somehow slow down too. listen, you graduated from high school with so much stress. in the end. you could say so, well, i mean, i’ll lie on my side
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in a year, and then next year i’ll go to act no, at home with my parents with a closed lock. and that is, you still had to learn to learn to go to college. if only there were some people people and the opportunity to establish new relationships in a new team. well , i was a little smarter now. i said based on my bitter experience. who doesn't know how old i am? and it could be hidden, and at 14 it was easier, you looked like makeup, high heels. here i have already achieved the right to, uh, a certain appearance. i deliberately hid how old i am? and in my opinion, in the middle of the second year. it was revealed by accident, well, it was too late. in general, i have already been accepted, that is, already somehow the relationship developed, and so it was not important, considering it was hiding. ah, at the institute. you have slowed down from the pace of learning and decided to be within the framework, so to speak. no, well, where it was already next,
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i slowed down at school. actually. here after that jump. well, first of all already, and when the range of items becomes much wider than at the beginning, it's already so easy over the summer. there are three textbooks not to solve. yes? uh-huh and here is the meaning, that is, it was not an end in itself. yes, i really did it as a child because it turned out well, there were no alternatives, as far as students are concerned, this is understandable. that studying is studying, but the students are all remembered as a period of hmm, some wonderful parties of the romanovs, first of all, where marriages are tied up, well, student time. er, in most cases, what concerns you? how do i do things with age. it's like you hid. this is not my story, but i hid my age, but my parents accompanied me to the doors of the university until the end of the second year, and in the third and fourth. i beat off the meters first to the doors of the institute, then to the subway university
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then a transfer to the metro, then some more yes, that is, i imagine from yours it was a period of a very tough struggle. uh, somehow the freedom of a parrot. uh-huh that's what i mean, uh, if at school i fought for some kind of love, friendship, the attention of classmates, then the institute period for me is a period of struggle with my parents, because. with classmates, everything was just fine, but then very tough resistance from the parents turned on. just what are you still, uh, just learn something big, and everything else is small. now, if everything is at school the rest somehow, well, it was really less, because, well, it’s clear that the children are schoolchildren, then here, just there were all these parties , there were some kind of trips there, hikes, as if they didn’t come across anywhere. oh god, i didn't get anywhere. all that she knew how to do well was to study for the study itself, there were no questions. it was interesting and easy for me. i was really interested
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and in general. yes, she easily felt older than her years. i was on par with them. who was older than me. i used to perceive myself as well as fought for freedom to do as she sees fit my parents accompanied me to the door of the university until the end of the second year, and in the third and fourth. i beat off the recognition of the child prodigy irina polyakova means that i suddenly thought, ira or maybe this is generally such a great trick with the strange of your parents. there are different ways to bind a child to you. here is how you can attach it . here, uh, encourage him in his ability to learn. but here is the age difference. it's the same, well, like such a collar, on which is a short leash on which you can hold your child and be guaranteed that everything will be fine with him, because he is under our control. i don't think they had such a
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conscious goal. yes, unconsciously. who knows. well, let's listen to your friend already now at the universities catherine garden, how i met cheese. uh, it was at the university. i do n't remember exactly. on what course, but it seems to me that, probably, on the first, but some general companies and in fact, at first, of course, i did not know that she wunderkin. but the fact that she was younger than all of us. this i saw. naturally. i asked a question at some point. eh, and how of course, i was very surprised and even a little envious, because this is in general, well, in my opinion. uh, not everyone can, yes, that is, at least at the institute, i don’t know how it was at school, but there was no feeling at the institute. that ira is some kind of a monster yes, as is sometimes the perception of people who are not alike, no, she was an absolutely equal equal member of the team team. eh, somewhere, maybe even some
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concessions were made precisely because she is younger she is actually very fast. e, she succeeded in those areas that she, for whom i got, that is, she practically everything that she started to do. she was very interested in everything, and she dug like a real soldier and achieved their very high results in the case of raw. i would probably say that she has this prodigy status or that she met some things earlier in her life on her way. ah, in my opinion opened up an opportunity for her. uh somewhere may be more risky in personal life. in terms of their health somewhere, probably, and briefly. ira is just a wonderful person. e is a person with whom i would probably want to communicate for the rest of my life. whether it seemed to catherine that the person
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is more risky, i don’t know if it can be called riskiness rather, but i’m used to the fact that nothing was given to me for nothing, therefore, and in those situations where many who are probably not used to difficulties, they just say so which is not at all not for me. i understand that not a little more and that's it. it can be said, well, to call such a plus this acquisition, let's say this situation of early development. i believe that yes, it certainly helps, but it helps, and in work it helps in studies in some achievements. yes in a career, well, there is a situation where it interferes? in what kind of relationship, in general, are they yes, when, as i say , completely different factors are turned on, where it is not necessary to suffer for a long time in order for something to work out, yes, and you would still try to deserve habits you dig at what moment how
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do you think your childhood is over? oh what complex issue? did it start sooner? well , perhaps when i entered the institute, because there it really began to be another story for me. yes, there was more communication. there was much more positive than in school there was this opportunity to enjoy some moments of things, and not all. than i would like, yes, because ah, at first it was quite difficult. msu - it really had to work hard. yes, plus the work is definitely some kind of conflict, as i said. fight for freedom with parents. that's but in general it's much more positive already time for me here's a quote. your you constantly lives from some achievement to
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achievement from success to success. if something goes wrong, then a very big breakdown happens. and when you began to collide, for the first time here. with such a break, or what? yes, it turns out, but not only can be in a relationship. in general, that something may not work out with this, in principle, i sometimes encountered at school and at the institute, and it was not fatal for me. that is, uh uh like once i got used to achieving it, yes, that is, it did n’t work there from the first, i’ll try again. i really was very pushy in this sense. in general, some may be beyond expectation. yes, the fact that there was some kind of fleur a child prodigy, from whom at first i tried very hard to get rid of, yes, and hide it, and then, when the institute began to develop in a career. yes, at the beginning i really was the youngest employee there, i became the youngest member of the board of directors in a large american company, which i have been working for 2 years, but at some point
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this realization really comes that there was some kind of rocket launch. yes, and, probably, something like that was expected from me. that's ingenious, but impossible, they are close to the prize to get the normal time of some kind of discovery. and i, well, not only did i choose a field in which, in principle, well, this is very practical. yes, but they have already begun to catch up with you somewhere to overtake others, and i remember it was such a shock for me when i realized that i’m already taking a leader, but to my job the person who was born when i finished school is a nightmare. why is their youth so shocked you? well, because, uh, i'm used to living with empathy. yes, i'm used to being the smallest, then the youngest, the most advanced here, but here the op is no longer there, but this fact that, as a matter of fact, you have caught up, maybe in terms of results. yes, you didn’t make any discovery into space. you didn't fly the nobel prize, you didn't get it. what is this
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disappointment then? why me? lord so. tried so hard spent on what was it advance? well, what was the lead in fact ? i don't really like uh, hmm wonder what would happen if yes, because it seems to me that this is a very thankless task. but, of course, it hurts self-esteem so much, yes, when you are always the first, the first time, then the second time, that is. maybe she’s just tired of these constant achievements , or maybe she already realized that enough is enough for her graduation thesis , the whole wall has already ended. you can look for yourself in something else, and what else is a family? for me it has always been very important. i wanted relations. especially since it's just, uh, yes, as we discussed while everyone turned them on. uh, i
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was little and i couldn't. uh -huh and when it became possible, when he fought off this chance for himself, well, when she ran away from her parents for 18 years, and you ran away from them, she ran away. and what did you do? well, as i packed my things and ran away, and they were screaming, that's just over my corpse. you will not cross this threshold. no no. no, you can't. well, there was a similar story. yes. did you go to rent an apartment or something, right? i rented an apartment became hard meet with a finger. yes, i waited for 18 years, and all the time i was very clearly told along the border that we are responsible for you. you are still small, so you will be 18 years old when they realized that 18 soon they began to talk. no , when we marry you, yes, then they said, no. the first word is more valuable than the second. i was for justice. but go on the idea, well, well, 18 years turned out great. but it seems to me that you
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had to repeatedly get into trouble, what is called in a relationship, it was like this, you are now the second time married. yes, you have a son from your first marriage, as i understand it, yes, but now you have. here's your current spouse. and how long have you been together for two years. let's now listen to your spouse dmitry and continue some kind of story, how everything developed, then i go to this. everything happened very quickly for us, we liked it so much. yes, we must live together. well, yes, that's all, and in fact, how we became with her, how i arrived once. here's home. so i'm from there. as a matter of fact, because of this house they don’t leave anymore 2 years. i'm just a sheep on my own. yes, i have a zodiac sign, therefore, argue me. what are you doing is very difficult, but irina has her point of view yes, because, well, she also lived a very interesting life. a very interesting life. yes, but these points do not always converge in the family. and of course, when we start arguing about something, then, of course, this. this is straight italian passion to us he will never
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retreat in his life. nothing, that is, i don’t know what she would want. let's just say she does it anyway. and from this, of course, sometimes there are some conflicts, because i can be there, as a man or as something else , i will look for some kind of compromise. i always come first. i was thinking about some sort of security of something. yes, then irina she just doesn’t see what is called barriers, yes, that is, she’s here, i don’t know there. here, if she wants to. i don’t know, there, it seems to me, if you set yourself the goal of flying into space, then flying into space. well, listen, indeed, there is experience and intelligence. what is called intelligence, yes, and there is a mind of female wisdom about it are generally different. as they say, the planes are different. yes, and how could you navigate this, and did you have any excessive requirements, for example, they should not know
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anything better for men, they don’t know yours, there were definitely no excessive requirements. rather, this fear of loneliness was underestimated, and the fear again felt itself receding. yes, in the feeling that it is one against all, yes and the complete absence of any experience. uh-huh relationships and either experience some there don't know unrequited love, yeah, when you show some feelings from you they do not perceive. and here is and very-very wanted to love. i wanted to be loved and definitely on a rake. i advanced. but because i couldn’t recognize it clumsily, and plus, in combination with perseverance, which i also told dima about in situations in which more a is already, well, a girl with some experience in relationships. i would just take a step back and say. oh no, it's not mine at all. no, i believed in success to the last. by the way,
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this is the question of your coming to psychology, which now i understand that you are engaged in serious even some kind of second education, you decided to receive it with this psychological bias. i understand that you once needed the help of psychologists. that is, what happened, at what second? eh, such a crisis happened that you needed it? it was a crisis, but in my personal life, and certainly, uh, probably, such a kind of overhaul workaholism. yes, there are two things. that is, i really worked very hard, but i tried to build relationships. they turned out very badly. i am i realized that at some point the pony runs in circles, from this. i tried to go to work to work even more even longer there, yes nights and so on and at some point, i just ended. so, yes, i applied. uh, for help to a psychotherapist for a short time, then she left it. i thought it was somehow? well, unworthy, or something, well, i myself. i always do
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everything myself, but even when you realize it with your head from e, it is very difficult to get out of the same pattern of behavior. especially without strangers help. that is, the head here is certainly some kind of realized. this is already there 30-40% success. yes, but in order to change that way you somehow solve your problem, you often really need help, everything is strange. she never gives up. i'm used to the fact that nothing was given to me for nothing, therefore, and in those situations where many who are not accustomed, probably, to difficulties, they just say that there is not at all for me. i understand that not a little more and that's it. only now irina realized that she had ceased to be the youngest. i'm already a leader. i hire a person who was born when i graduated from nightmare school, in contrast to my studies, personal relationships were not easy for her, a situation in
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which a girl who already had some experience in relationships. i would just take a step back and say. oh no, it's not mine at all. i believed in success until the last confession of a child prodigy. irina polyakova now how old is eight five? not? come on, so something with the genes is passed on. that's how good it is . that it hurts your heart, huh? well i'm fighting it, yeah, well stop it boy triplets are fine. that's what i say to myself, too, negotiate at night, when you gnaw on a pillow turn and your child goes to a regular school. he goes to, uh, a school near his house - it's a gymnasium, but first of all, i chose it not because it's a gymnasium, because it's a convenient school next to my house. i had enough of my trips to school. an
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hour and a half one way. i decided that my child, at least in childhood, will go to the school to which he will go. what is the name of your son, artyom and what features do you have in him? he was noticed as a dreamer and i really like it, and he comes up with some right from childhood. as soon as he began to speak, he began to speak, by the way, not quickly, not like a child prodigy in two from the tail. mom was very worried and said that now i will take it. let me do it. what did the baby not have to do? yes, he, uh, very early began to come up with some absolutely fantastic stories to play sports. he goes to karate and is engaged in swimming, but i can’t say that he wildly loves to learn. how am i as a child, right? well, i i give him much more opportunities for other things to love.

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