together they are exciting barons and of course blows. uh, for the first time, probably, on the energy energy structure. e of ukraine, which were inflicted primarily on the kharkiv e, ts and the order of other energy facilities, caused blackout to cut off the supply of electricity in a number of ukrainian regions of karkyu and in kharkiv, and there is no up to now. uh, this is really new in uh strategy tactics of our armed forces uh, how much uh? ukraine well, in general, any side of its belligerent side depends on effective the functioning of the energy system and how sustainable the ukrainian energy system. here, perhaps to further strikes, which can simply de-energize the country, the fact of the matter is vyacheslav alekseevich that they can de-energize with a blow. by the way, the map of the main ones. we see that the main ones, and we see that this is the main part of the electric power generating stations. it is located just in the east-south-east of

ukraine, that is, where the special military operation is actually unfolding. rocket strikes can bring out the energy system of ukraine not temporarily, nor can it be situationally out of order bring it out completely for a long time. it 's possible, uh, in this situation. uh, zelensky will no longer be able to say that he will sell electricity to the european union, in return, when receiving weapons, he will have to ask for electricity from the european union in conditions when he himself is going through a severe crisis, but the country's economy will stop as a result, that is economy. well, it becomes, of course, not in the absolute version. yes, that is, there is a micro level, petty trade, some kind of delivery stalls, but large enterprises will not be able to work; medium-sized enterprises will also work in

a mode that is not very clear to themselves. in order to generate electrical energy on the ground somewhere in the shops. this will lead to an increase in prices, while at the same time people will be left without work in the bulk, that is, the economic system on which is nevertheless largely based on the kiev regime. she collapses as a result. and this is what can follow e such strikes e not one-time, but serial. but, if they are serial, but at the same time they do not completely turn off the system, they will turn it off for a while and the zone, then this, of course, will change the psychology of the population in the first place. yes, this will change the perception of the conflict, not instant fatigue will come, but a gradual realization that it is impossible to live like this and continue to give the blood tax to zelensky. constantly letting him replenish any losses. yes, let it be cannon fodder, but make up for these losses with people. eh, that would be impossible. yes already, that is, the reaction in society will be much more, uh, to the idea of ​​continuing the war,

much more so negative, uh, sharply negative. uh, is that the kind of change that could happen? well, and finally, we can recall the example of yugoslavia when the united states struck, and well, there nato as a whole in the country's energy system includes transformer substations. all this led to a cure for the economy and made it impossible resistance. during this counter-offensive , military correspondents, in fact, people who were on the front line, and, uh, foreign correspondents noted the presence of a large number of mercenaries from the side that not only the ukrainian armed forces are fighting there, but also in a broader sense. well, uh, a large number of specialists who manage the equipment and the equipment itself are western equipment, since the actual equipment is soviet -made. there is no ukraine, but its own military production. she's so good. failed for everything

these years, by the way, was not able to build a single power plant, that is, all 15 thermal power plants in ukraine are power plants that were built in soviet times, like all nuclear power plants that are on the territory of ukraine they were built in soviet times. ukraine for all the years of independence has not built a single power plant. i got the inheritance. here, indeed, very generously, but i must say that they are western. the media also confirms. yes , nato forces are actively involved, uh, in military operations there in ukraine here. listen, for example, to what he wrote, er, the last before the new york times. senior ukrainian officials stepped up intelligence sharing with their american counterparts over the summer when they began planning a counteroffensive that allowed them to make some headway in the northeast of the country in recent days, ukraine's decision to publicize its counteroffensive in the south and

then strike in the northeast. this is a standard misleading technique used by us special forces, who have been training ukrainians since 2014. here's another way to compliment yourself. yes, that's what we came up with, although in this studio. uh, this strike in the kharkiv region sounded for quite a summer time and was predicted quite uh, cheerfully by all military experts who are not familiar with the novelties of american strategic thought. well, yes , since in 2004 the ukrainian authorities enthusiastically surrendered themselves into the hands of their foreign curators. with since then. actually, uh, degradation and the state. the economics of the social sector, it was, what is called obvious and flowed quickly enough. first came the day of industrialization along with decilitization. here then. eh, i'll remind you. uh, us ambassador geoffrey pyatt said that you would become an agrarian superpower, that didn't

happen either. in the end. this e is completely west-facing support that the west will help us. it led to the fact that they were faced with the need to introduce aggressive military actions, which actually happened and now. e ukraine, aggravating the trend of those trends that were formed back in the zero years, now it is making the european american hostage, the united states of america, its troubles of its adversities. uh, in general, everything, that is, uh, transfer with delight. it has already turned into an acute narcotic dependence on external influences on external injections, whether it be weapons or food. i will remind you of the oddities that are in connection with the grain product are happening. uh, the experts immediately said, you guys are exporting, of course, everything is wonderful and strange, both corn and grain, and even feed and so on, but i'm sorry, but ukrainians will eat something. you

yourself are so cheerfully taking it all out. and now , in fact, ukraine has stood before this organization, what is actually called the holodomor and who will be appointed guilty? i have a hunch, of course though actually. uh, the blame here lies entirely with the ukrainian leadership. unfortunately the facts are military presence. eh, i'm exactly nato presence of ukraine becomes apparent. it can't be hidden anymore, and er, yes, it shouldn't. i think the ukrainians themselves are already glad that they are fighting shoulder to shoulder, what is called with nato soldiers. uh, i think it's actually uh. and it will aggravate the situation in the nato countries even more, because, on the one hand, it was some kind of abstract, uh, war, uh, and uh, common ukrainian uh, or rather, the european society and the american, so to speak, abstract. well, let's help. well, yes, we send money to fix the old weapons. that is, it is possible was to explain. now it will be simply impossible to explain it. now. eh, actually this

belligerent. and what to do with it? i think i'll remind you of the veterans. uh, well, the current veterans will definitely remind those who remained in vietnam, afghanistan, and in fact, our nato partners in quotation marks can be congratulated on the fact that they pleased like a curmudgeon. moreover, the russian armed forces continue to strengthen. here ramzan kadyrov has just posted a video about a new, trained powerful detachment, which will, uh to represent already the chechen troops to the formation of our internal troops. here are the amplification options. where do you see these opportunities? well, of course, without revealing any secrets. what could be the reciprocal steps of the russian leadership? let's proceed from the fact that uh, sa- as a matter of fact, represents the theater of war of action. and now he has shrunk a little, based on what happened in the north in the kharkov direction. and this brought out

a fairly large number of our troops, which e. now grouped, just around uh completing the task in slavic kramatorsk. most importantly, e krasny lyman was retained. this is such an overhanging settlement that, if it were taken, it would, uh, complicate the task, but taking kramatorsk, kraslabinskaya, and these two cities - this taking them will mean the complete liberation of donbass, that is, you understand, uh, here already uh, we are talking not about, uh, a purely military military solution to the problem. and this is an existential problem. that is, for the dnr and lnr, the capture of these two cities. it is fundamentally what we hold, and krasny liman is fundamentally means preservation means, and the fulfillment of this task is preserved. and yes, it happened, uh, reformatting in the north is certainly

true, but the fact that the front was preserved in principle, and the pressure on these two main cities, the fall, which will be five, the liberation of donbass completely , the task itself was saved, the troops concentrated, but i, by the way, and listening by the way, ramzan kadyrov, uh, i can say one thing, for example, they agree that these uh, some cities have been abandoned. he said we would return them. he said, this is absolutely fair, because as soon as the task will be completed in slavic kramatorsk. ah, these cities will be completely calmly liberated. there are no questions. well, we'll get them back. i think there is no doubt about this, no one certainly has such opportunities, there are and will be. eh, i still remind you that our president once said that we still exist, we didn’t start with the russian federation, which are now conducting a special military operation, without resorting to any methods of mobilization. uh, there are enough reserves

in order to increase their capabilities. uh, which is not used only for the fact that we protect people, and this is the most important thing, and in many respects it also lay in the logic of those military decisions that were taken in recent days. well, they certainly retained the personnel. all uh, this whole operation went without losses on the part of our personnel from very large losses in the personnel and equipment of the ukrainian armed forces , which, in general, are, of course, making some kind of feverish efforts, but in fact their army and ukraine itself breathes. okay, let's continue after the ad. dad where did you miss the dumplings, and dad missed us. right

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what fermagnetic alloys do you use billions of rubles to update the scientific base and give birth to new science stars ? russia's national project is what is important here and now. time flies rapidly much faster than we would like today and today is turning 70 years old to the person who was a direct participant and analyst of the big game over the past decades, sergei alexandrovich karaganov, who is the scientific director of the faculty of world economy and world politics of the higher school of economics and honorary president of the council on foreign and defense policy, one of the most influential

think tanks in our country. well, sergey alexandrovich hid from all his colleagues, friends of his acquaintances. uh, we won’t say where, but not from a big game, you can’t hide from us, we are in touch sergey alexandrovich karaganov, whom we have the pleasure to congratulate the whole country on his anniversary alexandrovich good evening, health, success to you from all over the country and, of course, a big game and channel one . thank you very much vyacheslav alekseevich i'm from old friends. and you and i, in my opinion, uh, have been friends for 40 years, if she was no more friends with your father. i they certainly will never hide even on this day. well , naturally. uh, congratulations, we can't help but take the opportunity, uh, to get your opinion on the major issues of modern world politics. you really had many articles, books and

actual reports of the soviets on foreign defense policy, which dealt with the most pressing problems. now released unconditionally to the fore. well, we are really here in the nineties years at the beginning of the 2000s, and repeatedly, both together and separately, visited washington and communicated there with the american political elite with the american intellectual establishment. and after all, we then told them everything. we then kept telling them what would happen after they bombed them, they grew up after they began to expand on how they began to climb into ukraine. we told them all this, that is, this is what is happening. now it's their conscious choice. maybe we got something wrong with them they said, either they followed this scenario from the very beginning. and what we have now is the result of the conscious policy of the west, which , if they wanted to, lured us into the current special military operation. in the west, of course, in the nineties

, two trends fought, one of them already won in the ninety-fifth ninety-four to ninety-fifth year. uh, this tendency to take advantage of our weakness, and start to squeeze us, thank god by the way, then they did not finish it. uh, if you remember on foreign defense policy, we discussed this problem together, and in the mid-nineties we persuaded each other that we guys should smile at each other, because we didn’t start to finish off, but began to systematically, e.g. squeeze compression. uh hoping to never get up, and at the same time they got dizzy they decided that it was the position that the americans could not avoid. uh in the nineties, thanks. eh, fantastically successful, but for them the course of circumstances, and forever. well, uh,

we continued this policy with absolute striving. uh, in yaroslav they bombed, of course, in order to show a that, uh, their grandfather will do whatever they want and in order to scare us. and by the way , they scared us a little, of course, but after 1999. i remember very well that even a significant part of the liberal elite really tensed up and got scared, but finally crossed over, finally a turning point in the consciousness of our era, after which pension would have followed, remember. uh, most of the uh, 90's were talking about not giving up. eh, just like we did. what's this it hangs the policy that we outwardly, in which we pursued. this is evgeny maksimovich. primakova e. well, anyway. i want to remind you, uh, that you, uh, are to blame, uh, in the current circumstances, firstly, for your stupidities and weaknesses of the nineties. and secondly, the fact that e from my

point of view. we still tried and even after uh yugoslavia somehow agree. how to say here. eh, we didn't have the determination to start to fight back hard . uh, as you know, i, uh, said i wrote about the fact that the war around ukraine in general war. e, very likely, for 25 years already, and for the last five to ten years he has been saying that she was simply incredible and very likely. uh, but uh, i had to act. eh, it used to be. i think it 's our mistake. but, of course, there may not be enough strength. yes, maybe, but there was also a lack of determination, and still there was a hope that somehow it would pay off, so we, uh, are now paying for our own, and then what would her determination, and for the desire of so many of our species like . well, and for the fact that in the

nineties we allowed the creation of a huge compromising class in our country, when we went to capitalism without protecting private property and a huge number of people who earned money had to go in order to protect either the bandits or the state, the state is especially corruption, or, what was most pleasant and convenient to carry abroad , and we formed compromising classes for ourselves, which now, uh, we are fighting, including, by the way , this operation, because one of the unspoken goals of this operation. it's the end of uh , do away with anti-reservation and prognosis forecast that e on three of our elites and in our heads. eh, this is a much more complex problem. this is indeed a complex problem, but it is indeed successfully solved precisely within the framework of a special military operation. and before that, her decision. actually, it was even not marked and

it was imperceptible how this could be solved. here, uh, russia is now under very serious sanctions pressure, and uh, the question naturally arises of how to evaluate the activities, uh, of our once western partners. eh, and in general, how to call it now is not clear. uh, is it worth it with them to talk about something in general, what can we talk about with them , is it necessary to talk, in principle, what can we agree on? well, how to negotiate when they act exceptionally impulsively about this path, he spoke today at a meeting with economic ministers. let's hear the president. today he spoke quite curiously about this. let's listen. we see that the actions of our ill-wishers, to put it mildly , are largely unpredictable and impulsive lately, they are clearly not professional from this and impulsive. this means that the more we must work in yours. to keep the initiative is not just

to respond to some unfriendly steps, but the followers to solve their tasks of development in the economy, the social sphere, and infrastructure to the fullest . this also applies to the preparation of the draft federal budget. i have already said that the rapid adoption of large-scale anti-crisis measures. the achieved stability is the strength of the russian economy. in the face of external challenges. this is largely the result of our responsible macroeconomic policy in previous years, and therefore the state of russian budget. now it is also significantly better than in the economies and most of the g20 countries. yes, and it is our country's friends. an unpredictable impulsive policy, well, that's putting it mildly, in fact, the role of our and the economic basis itself, which is now

being created not by chance, is a swap, like a council on foreign defense policy. but how many reports were written on the economy of sergeyevich well, yes, of course, we always preached a seamless approach to foreign policy, we understood it very well. uh, they wrote about their own in this that there can be no politics without economics, economics without culture, and that's it. we tried to do the rest with us, uh, uh, political economy in its good old sense , uh, that is, in a complex. but what about? uh, the politicians of the west, uh, i, in recent years, as you know, uh, everyone has been writing and talking about the fact that the west has entered into, uh, the hardest, but a crisis. uh, this is the crisis of capitalism. well, the truth is part of capitalism is from the uh environment, which is also caused by the crisis of modern capitalism, which

based on endless consumption. this is labor and the most important. for the west, this is, of course, uh, the collapse of the middle class based on modern political systems. well, uh, there's no suggestion of it, no telling us it's known. eh, it went very quickly and degradation is going on very quickly. e political reed i always suggest in such cases. well, for example, look at, uh, a picture of the leaders of, say, europe in the fifties and today, this is a different physiological type. uh, the last 15 years. the west began to lose ground very quickly and what we are seeing now is a desperate counter. and when the counterattacks, i throw all means. uh, including, of course, uh, let in an economic weapon that absolutely suspects all logic. and that economic

world that he easily built. uh, trying to uh, knock us down, and then a hack china must endure it's an uphill battle. uh, victory in it is not predetermined. history, never warned at all, it makes people, but now, uh, we need to withstand this furious counterattack, eh then move on to the performance. but when we look at uh, the counterattack, which is really amazing, there was no such thing in the cold war, even i remember it in the sense that i was a historian, but i, by the way, in the seventies. i have already participated quite actively in it, so, but one must think, and not only reactions, i agree with vladimir vladimirovich well, i'm on the offensive. uh, i think we all need to think about, uh, how not only to be afraid to react, to adapt, uh,

to win. uh, how to act? in the economic sphere, that is, there are a lot of them to look for points of vulnerability. we don’t discuss in one thing, we know it’s economic, but the situation in europe and even start putting pressure on them. uh, this should be done openly, if only in order to prevent, but the worsening of the situation in ukraine to such an extent that it will have to escalate. uh, much more high-level uh. uh, this cannot be allowed, because you yourself understand perfectly well what this high- level escalation means. but in principle, uh, our partners and, uh, lead the escalations were of a high level now e extremely dangerous precisely because they have already said where we have e not the types that were at the time. uh caribbean crisis, when uh in america it was right

people uh, who understood what is war? uh, and uh, people are responsible now we see well in front of us, well, actually irresponsible elites. uh, i know that this is dmitry vyacheslavovich, too. uh, he wrote a lot. uh, the ritas have forgotten their fear, so this is a very difficult and dangerous situation. i believe that she, uh, is just as dangerous, and her husband and even already much more more dangerous than, of course, the times of the cuban missile crisis, except for those few days when it was really possible to unleash a war, the cuban crisis was a duty and now we are in the long caribbean crisis, but we also have, uh, very uh, unreliable, uh, very weak partners, under which their political is driving around. later, this is a bad situation. but we need to fight. uh, she needs to advance. well, at the same time, when