america was ruled by people who understood what is war? uh, and people of responsibility now we see before us. well, actually irresponsible eds. uh, i know that this is dmitry vyacheslavovich, too . uh, he wrote a lot. uh, the ritas have forgotten their fear, so this is a very difficult and dangerous situation. i believe that she is, uh, just as dangerous, and even much more dangerous for her husband, than, of course, u the days of the cuban missile crisis, except for those few days when u really had the opportunity. uh, unleashing the caribbean crisis war was a duty and now we we are in the middle of a long caribbean crisis, but we also have, uh, very, uh, unreliable, vain partners, under whom their political bullshit goes around. this is a bad situation. but we need to fight. uh, she needs to advance. well , at the same time, well, when the moment comes, we need to

agree on something, at least tactically, because, of course, we and you are right that there is no one to talk to, we cannot cross them out. uh, from a map or from history? how do they foolishly try? e his and oblivion of history. be it us, therefore someday you will have to, but first you still need to connect them a little. this teaching is dear to them and to us. well, history is indeed always an open-ended book and nothing is foregone conclusion. it all depends on the people and on the decisions they make or don't take and on who sheds blood on the battlefield and now to a large extent geopolitics is decided on the fields of donbass and this is well remembered by our generation, like this, uh, who survived the collapse of the soviet union here, uh, and seen it all with my own eyes. it's really was. well, a geopolitical catastrophe, yes,

the largest in the 20th century, perhaps not only dmitry vyacheslavovich suslov, my co-host, he belongs to another generation. uh. here, he could not miss the opportunity not to congratulate sergei alexandrovich in this format. uh, what is sergey alexandrovich for you well, for me, firstly, it is a great honor and responsibility to congratulate sergey alexandrovich, since sergey is a chance for me, first of all , a teacher and a 99.9 of what i have achieved, uh, thanks to sergey alexandrovich besides in addition, we still, uh, work closely with him at the higher school of economics. and for me it is, of course, a great honor and pleasure. and i want to ask sergei aleksandrovich. not about the west, about the east. about the future, not about the present and the past. uh, sergey alexandrovich really is, in my opinion, the intellectual father of the concept of turning to the east. e, and. eh, right now we're just seeing

the importance. e of this turn. it seems to me that it would be much more difficult for russia, and to face the challenge that it faced, if we did not have such relations with china, if we did not there were such relations with the east and south as a whole, that is, it is really extremely important, but sergey alexandrovich here. but turning to the east does not mean that we are with the east. uh, we're just building the model of relations that we had with the west. in your opinion, is there a risk, and that we can build with the east, but in economic terms, in intellectual terms , such a system of dependence that we had with the west of critical dependence? or, and if this risk exists, how is it, uh, in your opinion not to admit or taking into account another political philosophy, another civilization of the countries of the east, another

quality of political elites, there is no such risk. how do you think? what if i'm the father of the turn so who's honest? i'm grandpa because uh, as you well remember, uh years, so 15 uh, there and back. i u called several completely young talents, and which were you, u and set a task for us, because the guys are starting to crumble will crumble. the west will have bad relations, and most importantly, that the east has huge possibilities. we need to prove to justify that economically, uh, the goals are the consistency of turning to the east, and many people talked about this, but we worked with you and with four of our friends. eh, your friends are my junior comrades. uh, very intense and quite successful. as for your question, i'm not worried. e the possibility

of our e intellectual enslavement. jumped the enslavement of the east indeed, first, e we are different. and secondly, we are partly asian and we have a powerful flow. uh, cultural social and political uh, asian blood, then thoughts, therefore, we uh, we know deeply the east uh, this is the second. uh, third, uh, i really hope that we lose. e your european maps directly, but now the main task is not to be afraid of the east culturally ideologically, but to use the fact that russia is unique. culturally open islands, including, by the way , because we once inherited this e culture from those who enslaved on the

basis, conquered e, chingits, who they robbed, but did not impose their culture and their religion, and so we just need to be open, and offer us uh in our eastern neighbors. eh, friends partners. anyone, but a new open world. and we call it big with you, and eurasia this is a world of open culture, a world where the main sovereignty. e, where the main thing is normal values, but which are characteristic of all, e, countries of eurasia except for its e, western extremities, then there are a lot of normal people we know, but we also need to build, e, the necessary structure of interaction, because that we were late, including, for example, the creation of a seam, which for a long time there were afraid of each other with the chinese. eh, a little, we fought, now thank

god in my opinion and from conversations with chinese partners. the last few months and they realized that it is necessary to create multilateral, but structures, which would uh counteract the residual influence of the west and uh, the most uh, the most important and most difficult for us intellectuals, because, uh, the west over the last 30-400 years of its, but domination. uh, partially colonized us all intellectually. uh, and on we very often think in terms of the west and the world of ourselves according to western, uh, standards and frameworks and, uh, postulate. but from this we must get rid of this together with our, uh, eastern neighbors, who also suffer from this. and i know that there are conversations throughout the empire. our chinese colleagues, for example, have also started talking about the need to decolonize their

foreign policy consciousness. although they are, of course. independent, but nevertheless, this is the most recent time, after all, they quoted the americans all the time, but i remind you there are no national, uh, postulates, uh, all social sciences in national aus- especially the science of international relations, so there is nothing to be afraid of, you need to go forward and offer yourself as a unique civilization of northern eurasia open to the world well, in our program you repeatedly talked about the need to change. a dictionary, in general, of modern politics, and we are actively doing this, and here we are not afraid to call a spade a spade, which is clearly different from how these things are called in the west. e service today. er, perhaps for the first time, our ambassador, er, sergei nechaev, in this case in germany, said that germany had already crossed the red line in supporting

ukraine in military relations. here's the problem, are they red ? for the west, on our side, it means that it is ideal where they pass these red lines. and what can or will russia do if these red lines cross? you know, this question is, uh, very difficult to answer for one simple reason? ah. we are now in the open. and i already hinted at us a little e maybe be worth it, so finally start playing openly on the uh vulnerabilities of western society all the time, that's why they blamed us when we didn't do it. uh, i think it's time to read and do it. i think you need to think. i am the vulnerability of all our geopolitical e western opponents. and the current ones in order to show them e that they live in the crystal house. but we are

still a small fortress and throwing stones, as they throw, living in huge bushes palaces is extremely dangerous, and we need it show. well, if i have to finish something really bad, uh, then i'll have to do the same and very bad things. to do this, you need to use every opportunity to avoid avoiding. uh, what's on ours with you? the language is called vertical escalation, but, unfortunately, i cannot e assert that this is impossible, but again i repeat. i don't really want to discuss that. uh, a difficult topic, even for such a brilliant company alekseevich well at the beginning of the 20th century. e, mayakovsky wrote about what he wrote about the conversation between the financial inspector and the inspector about love. we were in the nineties

years desperately in love with the west and the west with this. in my opinion, he took advantage of us very much, using our weaknesses, our love. the west is now seeing that the west is desperately no less desperately in love with itself, and i think that this is the very vulnerability that, in principle, we can use, because it is precisely this that gives us, well, frankly, a competitive advantage in many areas . the west, i must say, has always been in love with earthlings, is it all? it's just us for a second by a being partly not a partly romantics. eh, it was very easy for me, because for 70 years the swindlers lived there in a system that did not give us, uh, the opportunity to understand the world. but uh, the west has always been like this. it's not just that we were stupid and naive, they took advantage of our naivety. that's just aleksandrovich karaganov. never suffered naivety in

relation. west this i can confirm exactly for the last 45, at least years, sergey alexandrovich once again, happy birthday. uh, we let you go to the festive table and i would like to wish that the next 70 years would be no less exciting than the previous ones, all the best to you. thank you so much. well, god forbid, after all, that we would not again have to make such desperate efforts together as in the nineties, yes, we will make any efforts that are needed for our country will not be repeated, but we will continue after advertising. dear friends, please be quiet, please, one second. soon you will see everything on our air. that's all

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threw out a few thoughts. in my opinion, which deserve to discuss their thoughts, the first sounded like that, in fact, we ourselves are to blame for the fact that we allowed our geopolitical opponents to be so resolutely agile in all matters and do what they wanted, because we allowed it to be done and in the 1990s and afterwards, they did not dare to openly challenge for a very long time. maybe there really is a share of our fault. well, we were considered naive, in fact, and still are, it seems to me, but this is not naivety. this is sincerity sincerity. in general, in my opinion, it has always accompanied the history of russia and somewhere at some time they made fun at some point from our sincerity

they were horrified, they were afraid, 8. 945, that's it but this sincerity is a weapon in fact, because sincerity is this position of strength in brother two film. basically, everything has been said. and in fact, it is very much like this. ah, fighting philosophy. after all, i do not want to call sincerity new. as it is now fashionable to say new neoliberalism. there neo conservatism and so on sincerity, she is always alone, because that it is in some incomprehensible correlation with the word truth. and so, it seems to me that both in the west and in the east they perfectly understand that russia, being in the middle, is in a kind of balancer. and if somewhere there is a lot of something, for example, aggression, for example, the destruction of traditional cultures, uh, then russia levels this out and it serves as a kind of such a unique state in this sense. it was also thought that now we are dealing with such a

decisive counterattack by the west, and with well desperate er, indeed, the attack of the dead. well like, yes, the dead or i don’t know, there is mental, as in the film chapaev, while this is an attack on us , it destroys the foundations of the world economic system, on which their global domination is based to a large extent. that is, this is an attack on us, it hits the foundations of their economic power and the situation is in this paradox. you are right in many ways. here i would also single out what we are seeing here now in the fall, a big bluff of western states. and when they, for example, agree that, in the context of maintaining tough sanctions against russia, they will to exchange, and in autumn and winter, natural gas, which they do not have. or to insure each other's electrical energy, realizing that they will not insure each other, because they simply do not have energy resources in the proper amount. this is all bluff, this is a demonstration that they seem to have

some kind of solutions in conditions when nord stream one is stopped, and nord stream two is also stopped, and this situation, in my opinion, is intended to force another player in russia somewhere uh, make a mistake, but believe that uh on west in the european union, first of all ready to keep a solid defense. and while this is absolutely not the case, while they are not just moving towards a catastrophe, the catastrophe itself is moving along them, but at the same time, uh, the world that they created after the economic crisis of the seventies and early eighties, and this world has long been there is no peace of the washington consensus of the rules that were formulated in the eighties, as a rule, free movement of goods, capital and labor. well where is it they calmly and, uh, just categorically encroach

on capital on the reserves of the bank of russia in particular. they, uh, calmly restrict the right of russian citizens to move around, they are not embarrassed, which is contrary to the very rules on which the world was built. well, and most importantly, they cannot grow and cannot pull along. uh, the economic growth of other countries. more than once we have said, in great sin, that the world has been divided into developing and non -developing countries, and the west belongs to the non -developing countries. it does not develop, it degrades and the fall that is to be seen over the next 12 months in the european union is simply colossal especially in the industry we will watch we will watch we will stock up on popcorn interesting. actually the situation. this is the thought that was voiced by the west. e. there is definitely a desperate attack, but at the same time, having the crystal castle behind it, which, in general, is a very vulnerable glass

palace, it is not the best basis for pursuing such a tough policy, and russia is such a small fortress. well, not really small, after all, the size of the country is quite large, which they are simply too tough for them, and therefore russia has a chance for a serious geopolitical retaliatory game. well, you know, i would put it differently. russia is not a small fortress after all. ah, russia has existed for many years with the understanding of besieged and fortresses. it's true. we must not deny this, because for many years, a lot of events have happened, but every time , claims have been made to us. remember how the austrian went. as he told us. and now you will see how can we be ungrateful. after we won the russian-turkish war, this is the situation it has always been. we have been and will be such, and just about the crystal palace, which is behind the back from the west, this is true, this is a very serious moment, but this is just a test according to the brazilian

system. now just for the west, remember this famous clip e from yeralash brazilian system. yes, when there is this one behind his back, and the hairdresser here in the west just exists, and the impossibility, but in the end, well, it’s real, but verify. whether they came out of, let's say, out of diapers or not, my deep conviction is that the west still exists in diapers in which it lulls it, and washington, but, unfortunately, it is already necessary to get out and that's just the crystal castle behind. and ahead of this unfortunate russian fortress and this unfortunate europe, it is just in the middle, and it needs to make a decision. what will she do, because the horse, of course, understands that any kick of the sword from the russian side will lead to terrible, and the consequences for just for this european castle, well really western ingratitude. we have experienced more than once the austrian ingratitude we have experienced. uh, and this statement was

made just on the eve of the crimean war, when our ally, uh, austria-hungary, suddenly suddenly entered the war against russia, uh, along with all other western countries, by the way, and so on, indeed, united europe participated in the crimean war . e is against us, and the problem is e, connected by the red lines of our possible actions. here, one of the american scientists philippe carrère, of course, we don't say any cringing already. we are talking about what is sometimes heard there. uh, thoughts that can be discussed does not mean that this is some kind of truth. he was just answering a question about, uh, why the biden administration is not supplying enough weapons to ukraine, and this is what he said. why don't we supply more weapons to ukraine? i'll try to explain to you that russia has nuclear forces. they

have the ability to destroy the united states and its population in the literal sense of sending not even the dark times in the stone age. russia possesses a nuclear arsenal of thousands of warheads. when you are the president of the united states your primary responsibility is to protect the american population, you must consider the existential threat. in the sense that it puts the existence of the country of their population at risk. well understanding, it's an existential threat. this is what saved the world, just in time for the caribbean crisis, which was soon used 60 years, literally a month later, but uh. here, where, as different, the outline is really. e, which we should indicate and behind which we should do what, well, you know vyacheslav alekseevich in my opinion, many red lines with the west have already been crossed over the past few months. we see consistently. pushing back these red lines from the biden administration, they are supplying more and more heavy weaponry. ukraine, they do not hide the nature

of their direct involvement in this conflict, hoping that as long as the american soldiers do not directly shoot at russian soldiers, this is the scenario about which hubber said that it will not happen. yes? and this, it seems to me, is very wrong. i mean, because the united states, uh, and partly with its own hands and partly with the hands of ukraine, is creating an unbearable security situation for russia, and russia is already successfully dealing with this situation. but, if the scale of the threat grows, then the scale of russian response will also grow accordingly. and here an uncontrolled escalation can occur. and so the united states, uh, contrary to that yes. they don't seem to be supplying ukraine with a. long-range systems they behave more and more irresponsibly. i would like to add one more thesis of sergei aleksandrovich karaganov. uh,

get attention. this is that it is time for us to move on to both a foreign policy and an intellectually ideological offensive. but because the whole nature of the current conflict shows that this is a very long time and the history of the nineties and behavior. the west now a testifies that the west is not going with us peacefully the west does not accept coexistence on an equal footing; in general , the united states does not even have such historical experience as a model of an equal and equal partnership within a multipolar world. this is contrary to their ideology. uh, the very opinion of itself as an exceptional nation and so on, therefore, ah, the united states is waging a war focused on the strategic defeat of russia, this war is more broader in nature than. accordingly, the ukrainian crisis should be perfectly understood and necessary in this connections. as sergei said

alexandrovich look for vulnerabilities, including in the west and both intellectual vulnerabilities and material vulnerabilities. and uh, go on the counteroffensive. we are doing this in part with regard to the united states and in relation to. uh european union but probably uh. i would like this to be done more consistently and actively. i have to say it's a great game. this is generally a long game and it has been going on for more than a century, and , uh, the strategy of the west aimed at strangling our country also has more than one century. it was and during the time of the crusaders. this was also later than e in all ages. the west saw us as a hostile force that had to either subdue uh or crush it. and uh, this has never changed. eh, when it seemed to us that they began to treat us better, but in fact we just decided to strangle gently instead of

killing hard. that, in fact, is the whole difference of any policy of detente on the other hand, because the goal of the destruction of russia is the maximum relaxation of submission. never been on the agenda with no one, uh, american government certainly after the second world war. and if we take british foreign policy. austro-hungarian germanic, it's been through the ages, so uh yes, we're historically tuned in to this long game, but we're not tuned in to the long giveaway. we played a little giveaway and realized that this is a completely losing game for us. russia now occupies an offensive position. we challenged. ah, the united west. we took the blow of the united west from which, as they it seemed. we won't resist, but we're fine by ourselves. we stand, we do not even use the reserves that we have in order to really.