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good evening, the big game is on the air tonight , russian foreign minister sergei viktorovich lavrov spoke at a special meeting of the un security council, which was devoted to the conflict in ukraine on the eve of the referendums on the entry of the dpr of the lpr of the kherson zaporozhye region into russia, these referendums will begin tomorrow and in the context of the partial mobilization that began in russia. and since this meeting of the security council coincided with the high-level week within the framework of the seventy-seventh un general assembly, it was held at the level of the minister of foreign affairs. that is, sergey gathered at the same table today lavrov, secretary of state of the united states, anthony-damn minister of foreign affairs, china vann and minister of foreign affairs of ukraine dmitry kuleba, this has not happened often lately, and listen to

what sergey lavrov said in his speech about the role of the west in the current ukrainian conflict against this background, especially cynical is the position of those states that pump weapons and military equipment to ukraine and train the personnel of the armed forces of this country, the goal is obvious. they don't hide it. they declare it to drag out the hostilities as much as possible, despite the casualties and destruction in order to exhaust and weaken russia, such a line means the direct involvement of western countries in the ukrainian conflict makes them a party to it, the deliberate incitement of this conflict by the collective west also goes unpunished. well, it really won't be hard, and gentlemen, you are punishing yourself. we have no illusions that today the armed forces of russia and the militia of the donetsk and luhansk people's republics are opposed. not only the neo-nazi formations of the kiev regime, but also

war machines, as i said the collective west and in real time using modern. all aircraft of nato strategic drone satellite ships are supplying intelligence data to the armed forces of ukraine and instilling them into the fact that russia should be defeated on the battlefield, official representatives of the european union openly and publicly declare this and, uh, deprived of russia as a punishment should be deprived of any sovereignty. you already know this. this is no longer latent racism. and most that hatred frankly. and we will discuss this meeting security council and speeches at the general assembly. and what does all this mean for the current event, or rather, i would say the current world of disorder with the president of the center of national interests dmitry simes and gmo professor andronic migranyan. e, dmitry andronik

posetovich. good evening, dmitry well, it is quite obvious that the united states used, or rather tried to use, and today's meeting of the security council and the session of the general assembly in order to try to weaken, russia's international positions, including in the countries of the third world in the countries of the east and the south. yesterday, biden, speaking at the general assembly, said a lot of big words. he accused russia of violating the charter. it is that russia allegedly undermines what the united nations organization is actually based on, in your opinion, the united states managed to achieve its goals. well, actually, the session of the general assembly is far from over. and i think that they count chickens in the fall, while i do n’t have the feeling that, in general, they tried in russia take some serious hit. not only do i not see a serious blow. i don't have the feeling that

they were trying to inflict. it seems to me that, in general, the decision is by referendum. e in the donbass in other regions of ukraine especially. vlenno to russia a. it seems to me that this is a decision and partial mobilization. well, in general, they riveted attention, but those circles in the collective west that make foreign policy decisions. and they try first to figure out what is happening and where it might lead, but of course, on the other sides. i do not see any signs of any new diplomatic initiatives of any additional flexibility. uh, some ministers of foreign affairs, and of the countries of the collective west, especially in europe , are talking about trying to negotiate. to find some kind of diplomatic solution

before dmitry is, in general, in the tradition of the general assembly. he is less saber-rattling and more talking about the possibility of diplomatic solutions. so while it seems to me that the position of the collective west yes is quite predictable, but obviously it won't stop there and i expect there will be some attempts. but if you want, but strike a blow at the reputation of russia and , most importantly, show it to the majority of states. peace, what about the general assembly and the condemnation of russia is growing on this? in general, it may not be easy, because if the majority of states refuse to vote for an anti-russian resolution, then this, of course, will be. uh, not a very pleasant not very pleasant moment for the united states and its

allies. but here's what i'll say, honestly i'm more interested. it's not what happens at the session of the general assembly, but somehow what happens there reflects the struggle for a new world order, and uh, i have the impression that the united states and the european union are such allies of the united states as japan australia that they basically decided that you need to go ahead and that you need to actively use all the tools at their disposal from the general assembly to the sanctions of pre-war support for ukraine, any tools available at the disposal of love to show that the so-called forces of democracy and progress, that they will determine the world order, that they will be the collective hegemot. do you

agree andronicus with this analysis of mine. and if you agree, do you think that this attempt can be crowned with success. dmitry of course i would say so. there is such a trend, it is obvious. the fact is that when trump said, go to hell with the europeans, everyone else in this i really need. we will solve our own issues and other biden. then he said nothing. we'll be back. i'm back democrats. we we will again be a single family, of course, we are with allies and so on, but as then skeptical analysts wrote about it. so actually, this has become a reality and cannot be returned again from gluing. everything it is quite obvious that there is a unity

that they would like to create in words, but in reality this unity in itself is very, very relative. yes, of course, this is the crazy woman from germany e. uh, yes, it's not exactly uh, a sane prime minister of great britain. that is, there are so many of them such deranged people, they they say something and so on, but of course, serious people, when they listen, they are generally like that , uh, i perceive the trouble is that these people are not serious. here, i agree, it occupies a very serious position. that's right, dmitry well, now, i want, what i mean, really desire. this is purely formal. yes, come back and show that we are one, we are in the same

ranks and so on. eh, well, that's just a superficial impression. to be honest, i highly doubt that today's west, but especially when the biden he says, here is democracy against autocracy, but where is democracy, where is autocracy, especially since, if for the last 20 years, we know that democratic regimes have been degrading and vice versa, autocratic regimes are growing all over the world. they are more efficient in the economy , they are more efficient politically, and as a state structure. they show themselves to a much greater extent, and therefore, it seems to me, such an attempt to regain hegemony is doomed today, and doomed for more

deep reasons, because the totality of europe , both political and economical, becomes very, very saving on the contrary, as farid zakaria said. this is a brilliant phrase. i love tempering for those who don't know, yeah, uh uh farijakaria is uh the washington post community, uh, means gps host on snn. and by the way, many people like to quote him it is his beautiful phrase. when he says, it's not because america is growing badly or it's not falling, but because others are growing, that is, the rest of the world, when this world is growing, which all the time he was ahead, he already takes a more modest position, and therefore it seems to me that i am, really, uh, skeptical about the

possibilities, the west of the end to lead and really dominate, because well, what can i say, we are many times in we talked about this in our programs, of course, uh, china is not with them, india will not remove a number of other countries large in number and in terms of gdp, and so on, they are not with them, and therefore it will not be possible to line them all up and resolve issues. that's why i think these are all hopes for russia's isolation destruction of the russian economy. they were doomed. actually. they will be doomed. i agree with andronik unconditionally. uh, the united states i think partially. they were able to restore hegemony within the collective west today in europe there are no gogols. no, helmut in schmitt, and germany is not pursuing something similar to the eastern degree of autonomy or brand or willi brand, yes, the degree

of autonomy of western european countries today is much less than e during the e cold war period war from this point of view. yes, inside the collective west, american hegemony is temporarily strong, but outside the collective west, i completely agree here. there is no hegemony, and the current general assembly will once again prove this. bolsonaro has already joined , other leaders who are not hostile to the united states, have spoken and stated that they do not support the course of sanctions ; from hegemonic ambition, the united states has not given up and they think they will not give up for a very, very long time. if not if at all, but from the point of view of the united states , it is necessary first to defeat russia and withdraw it. of the great powers, then china will be left face to face in an unfavorable environment. and this

will make it possible to radically change the balance of power in the direction of the united states and the collective west against china, but, firstly, it will not be possible to take russia out of the game. secondly, of course, the factor of other countries, because, today, the global south has ceased to to be simply an object of world politics. it has become a full-fledged subject of world politics, which was not the case during the last cold war. and this fundamentally distinguishes the situation and it does not allow the west, even hypothetically, to restore global hegemony. one phrase dmitry literally. i wanted to say even uh, achieving your own hegemony. inside this core of the west, at what price is it given? this is at the cost of destroying the european economy. this is the first victory, and now i have one question. they destroy, because they have captured all the gas energy and other markets in europe, cheap

russian gas was pulled out and, in fact, they were enslaved. i just agree, but here's my question. sergey lavrov said that the collective west became a de facto participant in the military operations of ukraine and his wife, and the head of european diplomacy admitted that it really was. uh, the united states of the european union that all of them and other allies are arming ukraine but says, well, nevertheless, we are not a party to the war. we're just supplying weapons. and here is my question for you and for you. in this answer there is an element. true, please, the soviet union supported north vietnam, supplied a lot of weapons, and in general. i think that largely thanks to these weapons, the united states

was defeated in vietnam, they had to go to afghanistan, the united states supplied weapons to men and this also contributed to the pressure on the soviet union of the need, as gorbachev believed, to leave afghanistan and no one says that, accordingly, the united states and the soviet union were direct participants in these wars. ukraine it seems to me that this is different, first of all, not vietnam afghanistan, it seems to me, had no existential significance for the usa and the ussr, respectively. but the main thing is, of course, another america sent more than five hundred thousand troops to vietnam, more than 50,000 of them died. the soviet union sent us much less than 130,000. if i remember correctly, and about 15,000 of them died,

but nevertheless, in general. this, uh, well, that did not become the main american or vice versa soviet projects. they had many other priorities. but now we are watching the general assembly, and all the general assembly, under the auspices of the conflict in ukraine, here gives the impression that the collective west really, but if you want, has made it its number one priority, forgetting all other interests, including international stability, including avoiding conflict with another nuclear power. here's what's happening. why do you consider the collective smell? that's how i decided to go in cycles in ukraine, which until recently was not such a favorite. it seems to me dmitry because the ukrainian conflict is tool one of the tools of western

policy to weaken russia and, as i said before, its exclusion. of the great powers, that is, weakening so much that in russia it has ceased to be one of the most important, when the united states was faced with the soviet role, a very important one in vietnam, the soviet union did not set the task of laughing and even destroy absolutely so absolutely uh. both the soviet union and the united states pursued a strategy of containment against each other, which involved doing so, so that they do not expand their sphere of influence, do not expand, but at the same time do not necessarily reduce and even more so that they do not fall apart. and now the united states is pursuing just such a policy, and they convinced themselves that this policy is existential for them, because if they do not inflict a strategic defeat on russia,

then they will lose this global competition. it 's not only russia here. dmitry said one very important thing, which i never heard anywhere. that we are talking all the time about the fact that russia has e on ukraine existential interests. but dmitry just said that the west gradually made ukraine its own existential projects. that's what makes the fight so fierce, i don't agree. i disagree with this on the basis of alesan's grm book, which i analyzed. i said, oh, actually, the trap four years ago. it was such a small seminar, where i made the main report and dmitry was my opponent. and in my opinion. now 4 years have passed, and everything is being implemented. i have it in my book does russia have a future? job? i then said it doesn't matter what will be

the administration in washington obama there i don't know trump anyone. set a course for the destruction of russia why four years ago course. and why did i explain why then? and, because, if the fukedin trap is right and gremalison is right in his analysis, if there is a decisive battle between china and the usa ahead, then i just asked myself the question, where is the place of russia and i understand? by the way, even when i wrote about ukraine the same. i also have a job that the fate of world geopolitics is being decided in ukraine. here in this book, yes, and then i suddenly realized that the

americans do not trust and do not believe that at a difficult moment, when the x hour comes when they clash with china, russia will either be neutral or go over to the side of the united states and just in case, to be sure, that in the decisive part, when they have a decisive battle, with china it is necessary to destroy before that and remove russia from the game. that's 4 years ago. i'm talking about this now. this is where i don't fully agree. that's it. i would really like andronicus to be right, and that indeed, in america, and foreign policy stalks are capable of thinking like this, i see strategic in this, and there is so much domestic political politicking in the american reaction. and if you want with a song of arrogance and the habits of an old

russian merchant. you, we do not interfere with his temper. this is how we decided, this is how the world will work. and why do you allow yourself not about dmitry, but everything develops as i wrote, and moreover, i really generally follow your prediction. it's true. this is also true. well it's been so many times er, in the development of the soviet union during the years of perestroika, when everything happened as i predicted after there and so on, but the question here is even more important in that you understand, er. americans want or don't want? i have a feeling that there is something so deep in america that a deeply thought-out strategy for this state, which does not depend

on a change of administration. there are some specific people and so on. here they feel a threat on an intuitive level, even this is a threat. this is the main thing. what happened dmitry a year later literally, when i wrote this, and then trump came, america suddenly bipartisan hatred and the alliance against china china is enemy number one russia is no longer that we will fall behind even one very high-ranking person when he gave this article of his and he says, wow. and why do you write that the main enemy for the united states is china and they are destroying us. i say, that's it, that's why they destroy us, so that later we don't interfere, so that they destroy china just like that, dmitry, i just wanted to ask you another question, making a start. from that

the same phrase in lavrov's speech that you cited earlier, that from the point of view of russia, the west is a de facto party to this conflict. but after all, the conflict will change qualitatively in just a week after the referendums after the probable entry into russia of four new regions, russia will no longer just conduct a special operation on the territory of the dpr, the lpr and ukraine, but russia will defend its own territory, defend its own borders and restore its own territorial integrity, that is, in fact, to wage a national liberation and defensive war , and in this context the phrase that the united states and the collective west are a party to this conflict acquires. it seems to me that it sounds completely different in washington, they do n’t understand this. or at least they do not fully understand,

because in washington they advised zelensky to urgently escape and offered him help in this matter. and when zelensky managed to survive. he has amassed such political capital that he, if you like, took the place of mikhail saakishvili, and as a hero, the triumphant of the modern west, striving for a great geopolitical revenge, and, uh, very difficult. uh, zelensky began to refuse his demands. but i think that, uh, if that's what was announced will be implemented, as i hear from many in russia it will be implemented, then i think that uh, not on the basis of statements. not even on the basis of referendums, but on the basis of

what will follow the referendum, that is, the change in dynamics on the battlefield. i think then the collective west will begin to understand that they really are dealing with another russian army from another russian war strategy dmitry and we all remember very well and in washington they know very well that mikhail saakashvili will end very badly . he was really a triumphant hero in the eyes of the collective west, where he is now the first, and the second, of course. i really hope that the united states will remember that they are really existential. interestingly, this is not assistance to zelensky, but the prevention of nuclear war, since the main interest of any state. this is survival, and the survival of the united states implies the prevention of any military conflict. c both nuclear and

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states continues to reflect on yesterday 's speech by vladimir putin and how the upcoming referendums and the partial mobilization that has already begun in russia will affect the ability of the united states to provide further military support to ukraine and some observers, such as the new york columnist times. roger cohen write that in these new circumstances in the united states. it will be very difficult, on the one hand, to continue to provide military assistance ukraine and on the other hand to avoid a third world war. listen to putin's speech, which , of course, may be a bluff, which he denies, nevertheless put, once again, at the beginning of the war , a dilemma for the west. how far can intensive military and business support for ukraine go, in fact, everything except the presence of nato troops on the battlefield without causing a nuclear confrontation, a game of brinkmanship has begun as american and russian

leaders seek to outwit each other as the outbreak of the conflict, if ukraine and its western supporters now have an advantage, then it is by no means eternal after 7 months. after the start of the war, its end. it seems even more distant than ever, and the consequences are more dangerous. perhaps since the cuban missile crisis six decades ago, us and russian leaders have not confronted each other as openly and bluntly about the dangers of nuclear war as german chancellor olsholz said, the united states is its western allies. tried to use everything possible means to help ukraine without creating uncontrolled ones. but the risk of such an escalation, perhaps the outbreak of a third world war , has only increased, because the fact that now a strike on russian territory can be defined differently by putin coin and here,

for example, is the former commander-in-chief of the united states armed forces in europe, general. uh, ben hodges. e stated that in response to absolutely a hypothetical question of what the united states would do if suddenly russia used tactical nuclear weapons in ukraine not against nato not against the united states to the fleet, ivan alekseevich, well, first of all, uh, benjas. yes, i say it again, high-ranking. general, former commander-in-chief of the united states armed forces in europe, he generally he understands what he is talking about, yes, american missiles will not have time to reach the russian black sea fleet, how russia, in full accordance with its nuclear doctrine, will launch a nuclear strike on the united states and there will be a global nuclear war. this is the first and the second.

do you agree with the risks indicated. uh, roger coin and if i may start with the second part of the question, yes, the risks are quite right and are stated and we have repeatedly said in your program that the united states. uh, lately it seemed like they found a very advantageous position for themselves. they groped ah. here's a niche where they can do almost anything, but they won't get anything for it. now niche they do not bear any responsibility for it. here they can completely free feelings. we kept saying it was an illusion. we gradually realized that you have occupied such a niche that you are starting to abuse. uh, with this provision, russia will definitely find options for how to deprive you of irresponsibility. here is this irresponsible state, and uh, after uh yesterday's statement by vladimirovich, it must be said , they really started to shout. this is already

about the heroineral hojas, so to speak, like e in some kind of children's song. it's scary to me, we're not scared, they say, and so on, but other more serious people are veiled very veiled, but they really say that the niche in which we sat so comfortably americans. it closes and you know it. although the question seems to be more of a military technical one, it is very connected with a broader geopolitical one. e questions we do we are closing a niche for americans to behave irresponsibly in general in global politics. strong regions, such as in the middle east in syria well, and specifically, in this ukrainian situation, this is a niche where they can enjoy their irresponsibility and therefore exploit it. this niche is closed. this is very clear on this. i think it says. caution below

closes. yes, actually come up with a slogan. well, if general hodges, uh, if general hodges, but calls or admits the possibility world war iii, and then many republicans. u in the united states, they don’t want not only to fight, but even to allocate money to ukraine. uh, the washington post writes that if the republicans win the upcoming midterm congressional elections, and in opinion polls, today's opinion polls show that the republicans should take the house of representatives, and about the senate, it's 50 to 50, but, nevertheless, the house of representatives, here according to current data departs. so the washington post writes that in this case it will be very difficult to allocate new tranches of military aid to ukraine a, because the republicans say that why are we allocating this money to ukraine to the detriment of our own internal problems. a and basically, why do we pay

much more disproportionately than europe and uh, democrat senator chris murphy , who is actually quoted by the washington post as scaring americans, uh, and, of course, ukrainians first of all, what if the republicans take the house representatives, and even more so the entire congress, then the last tranche that the biden administration is now discussing with congress for $ 12 billion can become, according to coin, in general, the last in the area of ​​​​heredity share these fears of coin and the washington post, i not only share. i think more and more. and there are more sober voices. yesterday 's evening program. laura ingrn. i am my favorite there, even more than so, and carlson i am her here it is. uh, it's in this vein, let's say, well, it's just very tough, this is a reagan-era activist.

to a woman like that, so she says, uh, listen to what the administration is doing right now. he just showed. uh, biden, who said, yes, there we will uh, fight we will do, then we will do something else, and she says, this is irresponsible. listen to emotions. leave aside that's because emotions are emotions. yes , ukrainians are good people, probably, although it seems so, he says that this is a completely corrupt country and so on, but think that you are waging a nuclear war on the world. it should always be more important to america, to the american people, and to the responsible american politician. this is, in fact, the main idea that she singled out and

formulated directly so emphatically, because indeed many are already beginning to think that the white house itself also falls into this irresponsibility this time, but it’s good when god is either there are tracks or there is someone else -so here they are. these crazy even hoxha. i mean , they always thought that the us military was the most sensible general. although in general, but by the way only one plus must be said about the american generals. it is always said that active american generals are the most responsible people. there are no retirees. but the acting ones, for the most part, are responsible for their words, they understand what this is fraught with. well, really, the republicans, of course, are concerned about the risks of escalation. they are also concerned about the problems that are happening inside. yes, the united states is there, of course, not

on such a scale as in europe, but also very serious problems, and they are wondering. why in this situation, billions billions billions are sent, uh uh, the war in ukraine and the republicans can be understood, because the economic situation in the united states is really not prosperous, and yesterday the fed, the federal reserve, once again raised the base interest rate for the third time in a row. 75 points, and up to three. e comma 25% per annum and the goal is obvious to lower inflation inflation in the united states is the highest in the last 40 years. here they are trying to slow down inflation somehow by raising the rate by increasing the price of the dollar. well well, the appreciation of the dollar reduces the cost of imports, but as i understand it, it makes american exports less competitive and creates other problems for the american economy, and even more so for the economies of other countries. here, what do you think the consequences will lead to an increase, and rates and

appreciation of the dollar, which has now reached a twenty-year high. by the way, yes, you correctly placed the accents, indeed vyacheslavovich means the meaning is as follows. uh, the thing is, uh, if there's inflation, then you have to fight it. this obviously. and inflation is a sign of illness, that is, there is a lot of money in the economy. separation in the economy means a lot, so it is necessary to deal with it, so to speak, to fight this excess money supply. yes, in some way. and so eliminate e, the meaning is the following and inflation has different reasons for its appearance, one of the reasons is the so-called non-monetary factor, which in this case is associated with the energy crisis, that is, not the amount of money. in fact , today determines inflation, which the federal reserve system is trying to fight, namely, not monetary factors. energy crisis, as the possibility of eliminating the energy crisis. unfortunately , it's already, uh, impossible for the american administration to say so. they set to work, the key

issue is that energy chris has already hit the real sector of the economy. this caused, so to speak, unemployment, as we already understood, that is, a full-fledged recession in the united states, since there is already an increase in unemployment, accordingly, an increase in the refinancing rate entails an increase in the cost of credit. that is an enterprise. so it's hard, because too expensive energy is not as expensive as in europe twice as cheap as in europe but, nevertheless , it is growing. and, accordingly, the price of credit is growing, this is a double noose for the real sector of the economy, that is, a further escalation of unemployment, respectively, the release of labor , and due to the fact that the economy is credit, that is, consumers mainly live on borrowed facilities. uh, a very serious collapse. that's what they are moving towards, uh, europe passed this road 2 weeks ago well, the united states, in addition to the hybrid war against russia, continues to confront china , it is china that they consider their main strategic rival, which is capable of undermining not only leadership, but also the primacy of the

united states yesterday, speaking at the general assembly. un president biden, but mentioned, among other things, the american policy towards china and did, as it seems to me, somewhat very, first of all false just false, and secondly contradictory to the statement. here. listen to what he said about us policy towards china let me be direct about the competition between the united states and china as we cope with changing geopolitical trends, the us will behave as a reasonable leader, we are not looking for conflict. we do not seek a cold war. we are not asking any country to choose between the united states or any other partner, but the united states will advance our vision at all costs. free open safe and prosperous world. and also what we can offer to the community of nations is an investment that is not meant to encourage addiction, but to

ease the time and help the nation become self-sufficient. we strive to maintain peace and stability across the taiwan strait, we remain committed to our one-china policy that has helped prevent conflict for four decades, and we continue to oppose unilateral changes to the status quo by either side. well, first of all, of course, the united states are forcing other countries to choose between themselves and china and biden. in the next phrase, this was absolutely confirmed by the very end. that's why i said that he partly lied, and partly said very contradictory things, because he contradicts himself. they really say that chinese projects are bad, while our projects are good. yes and so, if you hear, yes, then you will fall into bondage. and if you are with us, then everything will be uh, fine, and secondly, as for the policy of one china