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good evening, the big game on the air today ended the referendums on joining the donetsk lugansk people's republic of zaporozhye and kherson regions with russia, the first results have already been published and the vast majority under 100% for joining russia and thus increasing the russian territory, the admission of four new subjects. it's a matter of days. and this radically changes the nature of the military conflict in ukraine. russia will consider the special operation to be the defense of its own territory and its own population. and the action of the kiev regime of its western patrons of aggression against russia should be remembered that for many days, for many days in a row, even the country's leadership has been saying that the united states and nato are not only waging a
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hybrid war against russia, but are de facto a party to the military conflict in ukraine. thus , in a few days, russia will have grounds to accuse the united states of actual military aggression against russia in washington, while they say that they do not intend to change the policy of military assistance to ukraine, including with regard to shelling e, territories for some reason, they only talk about the possibility and in the context of the possible use of tactical nuclear weapons by russia on the territory of ukraine, although there are no prerequisites and conditions for this is not the case, and we will talk about how the united states sees the prospects for a military conflict in ukraine after the entry into russia of the new four regions. how do they assess the risks of escalation in the united states? and what kind of escalation? we will talk about all this with the president of the center for national interests, dmitry simons, who recently returned to
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washington dmitry good evening. good evening dimitri i returned to washington yesterday morning, uh, and uh, i don't have a lot of information, but a lot excellent impressions. well, i just poprak would like to ask you to share. ah, those experiences. here is what they say, maybe on an informal, non-public level in washington, but the possibility of correcting the american policy regarding the ukrainian conflict at the public level, as we understand it, as we see no correction. no, no change. no, neither in terms of arms supplies, nor in terms of where ukraine can and cannot launch military strikes. and maybe there is some talk about the need adjustments at an unofficial level and secondly, does the united states really think that if it comes to escalation, then of all the possible options for this escalation, russia will choose
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the option with tactical nuclear weapons in ukraine, which moscow seems to be, well, simply the least likely of of all possible options dmitry and dmitry well, it is clear why they talk about nuclear weapons, firstly, because it is the most destructive, because it could change the most. uh, character fighting actions. well, and because looking at the statement from moscow, including the statement by president putin that, if necessary, russia will do everything it takes to defend its territories, they naturally think in this context in washington about the possibility of escalating to the level of nuclear weapons let's see what the
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president's aide has to say about this. e united states assistant to the president of the maidan and mr. sallin. and jack salons is known to e not just as a serious expert man. as in the past, a lot of biden who has held high positions in the state department, but he is known as a person who in some way represents, uh, high-ranking. uh, the russian-american communication channel represents naturally from an american country. let's listen. what warning did salaman give to the russian leadership? we have told the kremlin directly and privately at a very high level that any use of nuclear weapons would be disastrous for russia that the united states and our allies will respond strongly we are clear and specifically stated what it would entail . well, uh, i had the opportunity to check,
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indeed, whether there were such conversations with high-ranking russian officials, such conversations really took place and, as i understand it, there was also a serious warning. although i haven't been able to find out. what was the level of specificity? because since mr. salon presented it, but, uh, they almost gave, uh, a report to the kremlin about their upcoming american plan of military operations, which would be somewhat unusual. okay, but simultaneously with alev, he made another interesting statement in the same television interview. let's listen. this question really exists and we should take it very seriously a matter of paramount importance the possible use of nuclear weapons, for the first time since the second world war, a very interesting statement. uh, i agree with
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you that, uh, there are no grounds to talk about any russian plans to use nuclear weapons, including, of course, tactical nuclear weapons. it is also obvious that the salaborom is right, this is a very serious question in the power and possibility of this weapon. and how it will be perceived on the battlefields. and if you want all over the world and i approve, personally, i approve of what slavyan says that this is a real and serious issue. well, now i have a question for you, respectively. you are in moscow, you know the mood in russian leaders. and in circles you talk a lot with russian experts. and you can imagine what ordinary people think. can you imagine that if this is really a very serious matter, and the best
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the way to resolve it is to issue public warnings. let's say public threats to the russian leadership, knowing what you know about how a decision is made in moscow, you can imagine that such threats would achieve the desired result, dmitry, precisely because this statement was made publicly and in an ultimatum form. i am more than sure that, but in reality, even the united states does not believe. and that russia really, under certain circumstances, uh, or in the foreseeable future, will go to use tactical nuclear weapons and that is why moscow really believes that this is an attempt by the united states to change the narrative to change the agenda to shift attention from its actions towards ukraine from the real danger of
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escalation, which i think will lie in a completely different, namely in direct non-nuclear clash between russia and nato on but this mythical situation with the alleged possibility of russia's use of tactical nuclear weapons in ukraine prerequisites. why no at all, that is from the russian point of view, this is a conscious attempt to divert discourse aside and at the same time demonize russia, there are several arguments in favor of this point of view. well, firstly, this is completely inconsistent with the russian military and nuclear doctrine, where we are talking about the use of nuclear weapons. never mind. what is outside of a nuclear military conflict is possible only if it occurs. threats to the very existence of the russian state, and secondly, what the salevs say, what other officials in washington say - this goes into the development of that doctrine nuclear escalation, for the sake of de-escalation, which
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washington ascribes to russia, within the framework of this doctrine, everything is logical, but there is a problem. russia does not agree that it has this doctrine. it is the united states and nato who accuse russia of having this doctrine. and perhaps they really believed in their own fiction . and thirdly, and perhaps this most. the main thing dmitry in russia is not only me, but many experts believe that even the use of tactical nuclear weapons in ukraine will not force the united states to refuse from a hybrid war against russia will not force the united states to abandon the information war. the course and even the use of tactical nuclear weapons will be perceived in washington as well , such an unpleasant, but generally acceptable collateral damage. and here is an illustration
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of this point of view. listen to what a person very well-known to you, a very authoritative russian, says. the expert today is a professor researcher of the higher school of economics dmitry vitalievich trainer. here listen in my opinion, many people in the united states and in europe in europe, to a much lesser extent, is probably considering an exchange of nuclear strikes in the european theater of war, that is, not only ukraine but more broadly, as something, in principle, not catastrophic and, most importantly, here. in my opinion , it is to turn nuclear weapons into an effective element of deterrence in the specific ukrainian situation, in order to convince the united states that a strike will follow on us territory, because a strike on ukrainian territory will not stop anyone in general territory of europe will be considered as critical, as a critical dangerous strike on the territory of the united states is another matter, generally speaking, the world is based on fear on nothing else, therefore, if fear disappears, the world is in danger. here dmitry in
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moscow really believes, at least a very significant part of the expert and political community, that only an immediate threat of a strike on the territory of the united states only a direct threat of drawing the united states into a war with russia is an inevitable threat engaging the united states in a war with russia could force the united states into serious dialogue. what actually teaches the lesson of the caribbean crisis according to these and dmitry, i agree. i even tell you that only last friday. i spoke at a conference at the diplomatic academy, where mr. coach spoke, and according to him , both he and i had, in general, quite similar positions, and he, as i understood it, how can i speak, how i understood him. i know exactly what i
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think myself uh, we thought that u russia would hold you back as much as possible. here are the applications any nuclear weapons on any targets, but on the other hand, that nothing can be ruled out if the united states takes some kind of action on russian territory, whether it be the territory of the old or the territory that will become russian in a few days as a result of a referendum. i think we all agree on one thing what? uh, mr. sallin's statement has, of course, uh different audiences, and one of those audiences is the american allies, who have begun to worry about the possibility of using nuclear weapons in europe and let's hear what cnn has to say about this, specifically, referring to the statements of mr. sallin and similar
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statements by the secretary of state. damn usa. russia's war in ukraine has reached a dangerous tipping point within months, with western officials brushing aside any suggestion that the possibility of a nuclear conflict is being considered at all by us president joe biden and officials. his cabinet is forced to publicly declare a policy of containment and willingness to answer to appease his allies, as well as almost everyone else on planet earth, that's dimitri that worries me the most. this is what the american reaction to the referendums on the russian partial mobilization to moscow's warning that the american reaction is basically saying that the united states will continue to fully support ukraine if russia does something about it, it
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will face the most unpleasant consequences. well, some other conclusions united states do, it seems not, listen to mr. blinkin in the united states do not mind kiev changing weapons from the west against the region, which may become part of the russian federation after the referendums. let's imagine that the united states, uh, starts supplying even more effective weapons to ukraine. but it seems to me, digressing from what they say in moscow and what russian experts, even russian leaders, think. well, here's a simple, common sense to say that there is some kind of line beyond which russia will not be able to allow, will not be able to tolerate, but this kind of action. and what a combination of uh, uh. this partial mobilization and referendum speaks of
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russian determination to defend these new red lines of theirs. and you know, somehow i don't even like the fact that washington is somewhat relaxed and the approach to the possibility of using nuclear weapons, they say. and there will be no evidence that these weapons are going to be used. well, i'll tell you about strategic weapons. it is always on high alert and special preparations in advance here e is not required, as for the tactical one, russia has it. it's thousands of yesenia's warheads, the necessary means of delivery, and it seems to me that if this is not taken seriously, then in general, they are taking a very big risk, and uh, here i have a question. and how far are the united
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states ready to go to not just defending ukraine, but seeking ukrainian victory in a war that cannot end in ukrainian victory, because russia is simply not available. uh, and as a nuclear power has all the necessary means for this, and i wanted to ask you. dmitry, again speaking, to the moscow perspective, well, what do you think, why are russians not just warnings, but russian real actions russian real steps? why is this not enough to cause uh uh, in ukraine and among the patrons of ukraine. here is the healthy feeling of fear that dmitry trainingin spoke about, this feeling of fear, a healthy feeling, fear, it existed 60 years ago during the caribbean crisis and president kennedy and
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secretary general. khrushchev, they generally understood that it was impossible to let things go to nuclear war. they both did not want this war. and this was not an area where they were willing to experiment and go with what you might expect. the enemy will retreat first, what has changed why now in the collective west like this, let's say, well, in cavalry, but it refers to very potentially terrible things. what is your explanation dmitry, i fully share your concern. and here is that the quote from the secretary of state, blinkin, that you quoted really says that the united states is not only not going to abandon the policy that, according to russia, makes them a party to the conflict. but, perhaps, they even intend to intensify this policy fundamentally in qualitatively new conditions, when russia will
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officially talk about the war on its own territory and about the aggression of the west against russia or the west by the hands of ukraine e against russia against russian territories. it's extremely dangerous situation and extreme mistaken. i think washington thinks they'll stay safe. now, regarding your question directly. i would share the lack of fear in ukraine and the lack of fear in washington, but what about ukraine? well, uh, i think the ukrainian leadership and uh, vladimir zelensky humble. not that they reconciled. they simply a priori approach the fact that ukraine is cannon fodder. this is a consumable item. this is a landfill. yes, where is the struggle against russia and the goals of this struggle against russia justify virtually everything. well, listen, when high-ranking representatives of the ukrainian authorities say, substitute any weapon for us,
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test it. here use our territory, our country, our population, as such a test site. yes, indeed, this is a training ground where something new weapons are being tested. yes, what else is there? but you can really say, yes, they just a priori proceed from the fact that their role is a consumable. as for the united states, the lack of fears of the united states it seems to me that it is connected with that false belief, and in washington that even if a war occurs, even if it causes a nuclear war in europe in eastern europe, then it will not affect the united states in any way, and this is a fundamental difference from the caribbean crisis 60 years ago the soviet union and the united states posed an immediate and imminent nuclear threat to each other without
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any proxies. yes, that's exactly, that's why i talked about that and dmitry training. says exactly therefore, that a serious attitude to this problem can appear when fear appears in the united states, and fear in the united states will appear only then. when they face an immediate problem with themselves, while the american establishment has apparently convinced itself that this will not happen, that russia will not dare to strike at the united states or at american interests and bases a in the whole world a and more, the united states convinces this population of the american right? after all? note dmitry, if the american population, the american voter finds out that he is directly threatened, and the threat of nuclear war, probably, the american population will do something, including through elections in order to force the
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biden administration to change the policy that the biden administration has today obviously doesn't want to change. dmitry the question i asked you, it was not a rhetorical question and i'm not sure that i have an adequate answer. even for myself. that's why i told you honestly at the beginning, that i will share with you not so much information. how many of my impressions here is one impression when i talk not only with experts in the administration, but also with high -level experts within the administration and sometimes even quite high-ranking officials . i feel like i'm talking to competent and uh, even-tempered people. this does not mean that we agree on everything, it does not mean that they have a good attitude towards russia, but it means that they understand that actions give rise to counteraction that driving nuclear sinful into a
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corner is more expensive for yourself. and what did you say? uh, any conflict? which? the stage ends with negotiations. unless you could force the enemy to unconditional surrender in the case of russia. i don’t know any serious people in america who would hope for russian unconditional surrender, here are reasonable people. yes, then you move on to the impressions from the performances of the same people in public speeches. and what contribution do they uh make to the process decision-making and i sometimes get the impression that it's not so much a decision-making process or not only a decision-making process. and if you want a kind of religious ceremony celebrating american democracy and the power
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of the hegemony of the collective west at the head of the united states and somehow call into question. this is actually not true yet. and that it can be kept at all and even more so to subject it to the long term, it is perceived as heresy, as an insult, as an anti-american act, and therefore, if there is quite sensible people and objective information. here they do what they do. just like the rest of the world. well, it’s not that it doesn’t exist, but , in general, you don’t have to reckon with it, and uh, there just was a shameful american flight from afghanistan, apparently, it didn’t teach anything, but there was an actual american defeat in iraq, the united states of his quickly seized over until now can not control it is very strong and anti-american pro-iranian sentiment, but with
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all this there is an unshakable conviction, according to at least on a political level what? the united states can do whatever it wants in the end. and that they can get away with it. and that there will be no serious consequences. i very much hope that the insight from this delusion, that this insight will come not in the form, uh, of intercontinental ballistic missiles. uh, i would like to hope that somehow, after all, it will be possible to find, uh, what dmitry trennin was talking about, to find some form, some formula that will demonstrate the american political elite that, in general, common sense is still a relevant concept and it can be extremely extremely dangerous to abandon it, and using the term. mr. saleman could be
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catastrophic, including for the united states itself dmitry i completely agree with you. i subscribe to every word that you have just said, i will just add that the united states not only considers its hegemony as such a norm of the forever natural state of things that should not hesitate to change, because it is right, because it is chosen by god, there and so on, but still, and the united states has lost fear for 30 years, and you are absolutely right. why, uh, more or less restrained behavior during the cold war was due to the fact that both sides. and the united states, too, had a fear of the inevitability of retaliation from outside, and another nuclear superpower. now the fear has really disappeared and the united states is precisely because of the absence of fear. and they think that they
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can do almost everything that they please. and who is stopping them from doing whatever they want. you can destroy, and this is called strategic uh holidays or strategic myopia or even strategic parasitism, but you must understand that these holidays are from strategic thinking. they are over, and even talk about the resumption of nuclear threats indicates that well, that's it, but the time for this moment of unipolarity has passed and it's time to return the fear, indeed. it's time to bring back the fear. e as a guarantor of peace and e restraint e self-restraint in a behavior, a states, including and primarily in the behavior of, uh, the united states, and i completely agree with you. dmitry i really
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hope that the united states realizes that nuclear war. and it is possible not only somewhere at the local level, but it is also possible at the global level that the united states is no longer in a situation of absolute security, that it may face the imminent threat of war, including nuclear war, and just like you dmitry i really hope that the return of fear will pass through negotiations similar to those that took place during the settlement of the caribbean crisis between bobby kennedy and the brother of john fitzgerald kenade of the russian soviet, then ambassador dobrynin a between the soviet and american leadership, which is precisely through such contacts and negotiations. we will recreate mutual fear and mutual responsibility, not through a
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real global nuclear war. dmitry thank you very much. for this very disturbing, but nonetheless extremely interesting conversation, and the big game will be back in the studio in a few moments. if they told me that my last day, what would i do, i would go for a walk, go to church and sit down, read a prayer, repent , apologize for those whom i offended. you can not support people who are suffering and somewhere to be on the sidelines. it was generally, of course, her choice of hers. the will of her desire. we descend into the catapulms. they saw that this is both an attractive girl who can take off, who can lift her up at the start. this is martyrdom. you know, it's martyrdom. after all, she is basically but she didn’t fight, she didn’t curse, i turn to them
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days. i mean the entry into russia of four new regions based on the results of referendums. this is the introduction of new sanctions against russia. here's the white house press secretary. karen jean-pierre has already promised russia quick and serious economic the costs that, according to her, the united states is ready to impose on russia, together with american allies, the content of these sanctions is already being discussed, we do not know exactly what will be there, but we already know for sure what will not be there. there will most likely be no restrictions on russian oil and especially on the price of russian oil, because this is an idea that the united states has been running around for several months, which received support from the g7 countries, failed miserably just failed miserably about it wrote wall street. the fact that none of the major importers of russian oil wants to join this ceiling initiative. and that is why, by
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the way, the biden administration. he is trying to prevent the adoption of a bill on the introduction of secondary sanctions against those countries that will not agree to buy russian oil within the framework of these ceilings, that is, they will buy e more expensive and today, and the united states secretary of state tony linking tried to convince his indian colleague zhenshaikar , which is located with visit. uh, in washington to join this initiative of the seven. on the ceiling on uh, the price of russian oil and listen to what the minister of foreign affairs of india answered him. the global south are in a difficult situation. it is very difficult for us to compete in conditions of limited supply. i'm saying, now it's not just about skyrocketing prices, even just
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getting access to energy. in some cases, it is not possible. we turn to suppliers through tenders, but in some cases we don’t even get a response. now the situation on the market is very tense, so this tension needs to subside. well, that is, the answer is obviously no, and today the deputy minister of commerce of china, wangshouen, also said that china will buy both oil and gas, from whom it wants, from whom it is profitable energy anti-russian sanctions. well, uh, the energy market can be a buyer's market or a seller's market. and now the situation has developed in such a way that it is a seller's market? why because the flows are changing, and those countries that bought oil from russia now they don’t want to buy it, but others buy it, and actually in such conditions of course, uh, the rules are dictated by those who don’t sell. and just today,
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another meeting of guardians is taking place. plus, where respectively. these are just those who offer me a car market and will determine the conditions in this market for the coming time. and this should be taken into account, including by those who are trying to pay such restrictions on russian oil absolutely. well, from the very beginning it was clear that this was a stillborn idea, just that, and the failure of the attempts of the united states to impose the idea of ceilings on such countries as china, india , the guardianship countries, turkey, once again. they simply proved the limitations of american influence, that their hegemony ended not only in the political, but also in the economic sense, they, in principle, had some sort of right to the success of such thoughts about american politicians, but again in conditions if there was an excess on the oil market, but there is none, and everything is smooth, therefore it does not work. well, uh, today the situation has worsened even more not only on the global, especially on the regional european
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energy market, but because of the destruction that occurred on three e, branches of the nord stream gas pipeline at once, and russian gas supplies directly to germany through this pipeline now a impossible, and impossible for a non-indefinite future. yes because the operator company has already stated that in general, an indefinite time will be required for repairs. first, there will be an investigation, and then the repair, it is unclear how long it will take, but it will take, and at the same time, almost simultaneously , a similar accident occurred on the gas pipeline. nord stream two. that is, now it will not even be possible to turn it on hypothetically. even if germany makes, uh, the appropriate decision. well, in general, the blue dream of the united states in poland and the baltic countries is to destroy energy cooperation directly russia germany is a dream come true. and the most
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interesting thing is that today it coincided. yes, uh, today, the boltik gas pipeline was launched from norway from the norwegian boss through the territory of denmark to poland, and now in a solemn ceremony. the opening of this gas pipeline was attended by anzhi and duda and mateusz marowetsky and the prime minister of denmark freedex. and sergey sergeevich is this such a coincidence or is there politics behind it - it’s generally playing some kind of coincidence. look it turns out. so what for today day is a very thin channel of gas flow, still remains through the territory of ukraine not so long ago, some 5 months ago, joe biden, says, uh, a simple phrase when i ask him, what can you do with the northern stream in general? and he says we'll find it. what to do in the nord stream. probably then he was joking, and who knows, in every joke there is a share of a joke, but today sabotage and the word sabotage were very clearly stated. nobody denies. this is not some kind of technological
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explosion or undermining. this is the classic diversion. and do not forget about simple things, that for a very long time in europe they are still looking for gas, trying to find it, trying to talk to the boat. he is trying to talk to the same norway, and norway told them very clearly, you know, he says we have reserves. little even as there are not enough oil reserves, we cannot provide you with everything that you need, do not forget that as your miracle, it coincided very surprisingly now. another story is not only a shortage of gas, but also the so-called classic shortage of oil refining europe as as a rule, did not want to recycle. they were ready to buy ready-made fuel to slightly modify it, that everything was fine and wonderful, but today the united states of america has reached the production ceiling. both oil and oil refineries operate at 98%, by the way, speaking further can not increase. this is approximately 6.6 million barrels. a lot per day. yes, too much is not enough. you know, it turns out that during those acts of sabotage, the emergency team always said. look who benefits
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absolutely. if we are now looking to whom it is advantageous, of course, binding to the united states. america anglo-saxons. even these are so big, and with long ears stick out and mix, and somehow they look at everyone very clearly, but except for the europeans, because the europeans look at these at close range. they say you can't see. this is for sure, the evil russians did, if you even look at the monstrous comments that were happening on american television today, when they woke up, i was surprised anyway scary russians scary russians are ready for all this to do in order, and just to cut off your right hand and yes, there were a lot of comments today on the passage of gas through the territory of ukraine that russia should now increase as much as possible now. this pumping is impossible today, and the worst thing that the europeans are talking about now is that if russia looks and reconsiders, then the special operation will transfer it into a counter-terrorist operation and say, for example, how will we
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supply our blue fuel through a terrorist country a lot questions, but it is obvious that there are profits to the buyers and the united states of america is building very expensive gas processing plants. not for their own money, mostly for german. well, what exactly is the connection. dates are at least the main beneficiary of this absolute diversion. i totally agree. this is the main version, uh, which the german government is considering, the danish government, and the russian government does not deny the version of sabotage. this is quite obvious to the united states - this is beneficial. they are they always wanted to put an end, and irrevocably and forever, to russian german directly in energy cooperation. well, they've now got an appropriate perspective. by the way, he also talked about this. i, well, in ukraine , uh, for a very long time. yes, that needs to be destroyed somehow. uh, stop freeze even dismantle. uh, nord stream 2. and so on. in germany, in fact, over the past few months, business representatives, even, some near government
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circles, have stated that if gas supplies from russia stop completely, then the reserves that germany has accumulated in its gas storage facilities will be enough, well, for about 3 months, otherwise 2.5 now we have switched to this perspective. yes , sergei sergeyevich is absolutely right, there is still a ukrainian flow that does not go directly to germany. yes, which goes to the countries of central and eastern europe, maybe they will transfer something to germany, but the ukrainian flow can also become no further than today. e gazprom said. what can lead to sanctions against the ukrainian naftogaz, if it continues, and seek consideration of the dispute over gas payments in international courts, and sanctions mean a complete cessation of any payments, which means stopping transit. only the turkish flow will remain, which goes to the countries of southern europe in general. yes, and i don’t know
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if they will be ready to transfer gas to germany in a word , no, germany is already facing such a total shortage. at the same time, norway is not ready to supply much, much more. and the united states also says that they cannot exhibit high quality more than the countries of the middle east supply now. pay attention to the scholz visit. uh, the gulf countries absolutely failed to agree on only one tanker from the united arab emirates a with qatar. in fact, nothing was agreed upon. here is artyom pavlovich uh, what now, will germany survive and will the german government survive, uh? well, the question of the survival of the german government has now become really, especially acute and, probably, it was no coincidence that today it was reported that chancellor love scholtz was born coronavirus at the moment. although there is nothing serious yet, but so far he has not reacted in any way to what happened, but business is already reacting
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and business is leaving germany for german industry, which ensured the economic dominance of germany in the european union, it is leaving and leaving for the states of america, there have already been reports that that the german and large siemens volkswagen corporations, a number of others, are transferring e and opening new production facilities in the united states, in this matter just who benefits and more one important indicator - these are the ratings and finally the rating, and the minister of economics of germany, robert habibk, who was considered the main savior of germany, the person who can resolve this crisis, they fell, and now he is no longer the most optimal candidate for the post of new chancellor, he was bypassed by friedrich merz representative of the position, which, of course, also does not yet offer any fundamental other ideas different from what the german government does and does not do, but, perhaps, the last
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figure in the government of the frg with whom the possible success of overcoming this crisis, however, is not very clear due to what, due to the idealism of the green due, but to promises that could not be fulfilled. and this last figure is now collapsing. it turned out to be empty, which is important. but all the same, the destruction of the northern streams, or sabotage on the nord streams, which put an end to russian gas supplies to germany for an indefinite future. yes, in germany they said we are going to finally and irrevocably refuse russian gas, it was said that what is at the government level. yes, if my memory serves me, it was robert khabib who said that the forces of loss of confidence. we can no longer consider russia as a reliable supplier, but still at the regional level at the level of the german states. many have spoken. here, for example, the prime minister of saxony, what you need
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