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republics and regions have already turned to president vladimir putin with a request to accept them into russia. all the necessary procedures will be completed next week. and after that, moscow will most likely consider military operations in these territories and strikes against them as aggression against russia and a special operation as a liberation war, while russia repeats again and again that pumping ukraine with western armaments provision, intelligence information work of military advisers and many other things. the united states and nato are the actual parties to this conflict, which, of course, significantly increases the risks of escalation. here is what, in particular , the press secretary of the president of russia dmitry peskov said today about this. listen , more and more, the american side is de facto getting into this conflict. more and more, the american side is getting closer to becoming a party to this conflict, which is extremely dangerous . ambassador made tonight

russia in the united states anatoly antonov, who commented on the recent statement by the secretary of state of the united states in linkin that washington is not against the use of western weapons by kiev in those territories that russia will very soon read its own by them, and today the deputy head of the presidential administration of russia sergey kiriyenko said that nato is fighting against russia using ukraine as a springboard, we will discuss the prospects for american policy and the risks of escalation with the president of the center for national interest dmitry simes, who is located in washington dmitry good evening good evening dmitry well , here is dmitry. as you can see from all the quotes from the statements that i re- uh cited, in russia there is indeed a growing belief that the united states of nato is either becoming or is already a party to this military conflict, the nature of which will change, but judging by the fact that recently

said secretary of state blinkin, and judging by the fact that today the pentagon announced a new one and one billion dollar military assistance package to ukraine, which included 18 new multiple launch rocket systems hymars, but he simply does not hear russia. they just don't hear. here. what do you think, uh, dmitry here you are in washington how do you feel about the russian position about who is a party to this conflict and whether russia hears us? it seems not? you know the russian proverb, until thunder breaks out, a man crosses himself and in washington proceeds from the fact that in russia he warns that russia calls, that russia criticizes, but so far russia still has not made a political decision to recognize the united states as a country in conflict. by the way, here you are

quoted dmitry peskov absolutely correctly. he also says that the united states is getting closer and closer to becoming a country in conflict, but he did not say that this has already happened. this, uh, the decision would be on the part of the russian leadership, not analytical, but political , there are still diplomatic relations. you mentioned the ambassador of russia to the united states, anatoly ton, he is in his place, he will now have an article in our magazine on another interest, where he develops his point view of the danger of a nuclear conflict and naturally places the responsibility on the united states, but nonetheless. so far , moscow has not made such a decision to recognize the united states as a party to the conflict. and i say this with full understanding of how

difficult it is to make such a decision, because if you made such a decision, you have to ask the question, do you keep diplomatic relations, if you keep them? at what level, if you are taking some decisive steps in this area, how nato will react to this collective west, in general, you could, as they say, start a chain of events that would not necessarily be in your interests. therefore, i understand why so far in moscow the united states has not been recognized as an official country in the conflict. well, if you say, not politically, but analytically, if you look at the situation not from the point of view of diplomats, but from the point of view of analysts and the military, then it seems to me that it is obvious that the united states is a country in conflict. and frankly, not just a country, but central side. you just talked about the

amount of us military aid since biden became president. this aid will already amount to $17 billion and $17 billion, taking into account the new package that was mentioned. this is a very impressive amount, the united states for many months refused to supply multiple launch rocket systems to ukraine at all. then they delivered 16 systems and talked about it when it was a rather risky decision, but now you are going to supply another 18 and you see how these highmars systems, how they provide new military capabilities to ukraine, and not only on the battlefield, but in its destruction of civilian objects. and kiril, you can imagine if the number of these systems more than doubles, they say that the united

states will greatly increase the capabilities and the ukrainian air defense of preventing russia from having air superiority. and when you do not have air superiority, it is more difficult for you to move forward and this is associated with large losses. now if you are talking about intelligence. well of course, intelligence is usually provided by an ally. well, such, i would say, not necessarily, but the standard procedure among the allies, but in this case, we are talking not but simply the transfer and intelligence, we are talking about the provision of intelligence information, which is directly related to anyone. how to direct the same highs, where is the russian tank combat force, where is

the russian air defense systems again, giving ukraine the opportunities, oh, which it used to. oh, i couldn't even dream. well finally, and in ukraine it is already located, and not just dozens. and as i heard, hundreds of american military advisers are specialists who train the ukrainian armed forces. uh, to their operations. well, finally. the latter is much praised in the west. uh, the military talents of ukrainian generals. well, i don’t know what kind of commanders there are in ukraine. i don't tend to criticize anyone. uh, without, uh, clear data, but what we know for sure is that all the latest major operations of the ukrainian armed forces, what they planned and

checked and rechecked with american military advisers, and dmitry is not just military advisers, but the top leadership of the american armed forces, and not every actual american military operation is planned at such a high level with such thorough analyzes with such great preparation. and how are the entrance operations of the ukrainian armed forces soldiers, ukrainian armaments of the united states and their allies, and planning, i don’t know dmitry, this is where planning ends and where begins the leadership of someone's armed forces. and i, too, am not yet ready to say that the committee of chiefs of that united states is in charge of the ukrainian armed forces. well, let's put it this way, but it is

directly related to the direct involvement in planning and control over ukrainian military operations. and in general. here again, using peskov’s expression, he is moving closer and closer to actually managing these operations, therefore, from the point of view of her, i have no doubts from the russian military. the united states is already real are not just an ally, not just a patron of ukraine, but also direct participants. uh, military operations, with one exception, are not used by the us armed forces. that is, there are no american infantry, no american pilots. and there is guidance. there is planning. there is intelligence and there are weapons. but in general, this is a division of duties, a situation that is potentially very serious and at some stage. i think

russia will have to ask itself a question. is it not necessary to make a political decision that the united the states became a country of conflict, that is, an enemy of the united states would become enemies, but i must not tell you that this would be a highly undesirable situation for international stability. but sometimes you have to face the truth dmitry you know, i agree completely with everything you said, except for your penultimate phrase, because in moscow it seems to me that they come to the conclusion that such a political decision will, on the contrary, be stabilizing, not destabilizing impact on international situation, because there is simply no other way. without recreating a situation similar to the caribbean crisis of 1962 sixty years ago,

it will not be possible to change the policy of the united states in the direction of greater self-restraint and greater responsibility. that's all that you said, but it coincides with our analysis and says that in the new conditions that will arise in ukraine and in a few days, when russia declares donetsk lugansk zaporozhye kherson region with parts on its territory, the united states is not only inclined to reduce the scale of its involvement in this conflict, but on the contrary, it tends to increase this scale in every possible way, intensify military support and intensify its involvement. this does create escalation risks. it definitely feels in washington, but they are talking about another escalation, and there they are trying to switch, how to switch the arrows and instead of the risk of a direct military clash, russia usa instead of what you said, yes, russia

nevertheless, it will be forced at some stage to make a political decision and declare, and the united states and nato are hysterical about the alleged intention in washington as a party to this conflict. e russia apply e. ukraine has tactical nuclear weapons, which is absolutely not in line with the provisions of russian e, military doctrine and aspirations. strengthen your relationship with the world's majorities, in fact with countries. uh, east and south, and i think that's one of the reasons for that. well, first of all, it's true. a conscious diversion of discourses away from the american policy of pumping ukraine with weapons on the alleged intention of russia to use, but tactical nuclear weapons. that is, it is, as it were, shifting the responsibility of oneself to russia, yes. and secondly, it seems to me that washington is very dangerous and false . they convinced themselves that russia will under no

circumstances create the preconditions for a direct military clash between the united states. in any form, both in nuclear and non-nuclear, and here in as confirmation of this opinion, but i will quote from one anonymous high-ranking official. a biden administration satellite told politics magazine listen they will never use strategic nuclear weapons. never launch an intercontinental ballistic missile or supply a tu 95 bomber, what they will do is use short-range weapons . they have warheads, which we call micronuclear charges with a capacity of tens to hundreds of tons, the government official said. official. you see dimitri, a government official, says that russia never used the word will never go into uh,

direct military conflict with the united states. it seems to me that this is a very deep delusion, but because the american society is consciously. with such officials and statements by blinka of salting and others about the fact that russia is allegedly thinking or may be thinking, and the american society is deliberately misled about the use of tactical nuclear weapons that it is safe, because because from the russian point of view. this is what can change american politics. so this is a direct threat to the united states itself, when every american official and every resident and citizen of the united states will simply feel the fear of a nuclear war in their spinal cord, when it will just soar in the air, and the feeling that

missiles can arrive at any moment, when the school will again study the lessons of civil defense and so on. but only in this situation, when rational fear returns, and in only then can the united states hope for the stabilization of russian-american relations and, in the long term, a transition to a peaceful settlement, including, uh, changes in the policy of the united states in ukraine. it seems to me that moscow is leaning towards it. on to this position. and what do you think dmitry but dmitry you know, i flew from moscow only on sunday and, of course, everything is changing rapidly. eh, but i have a feeling that there may still be a few in moscow. uh, a different position than the one you voiced, but it started with what? and, when i said, uh, that it is not easy to make this political decision. i did not have.

it is natural to say that no moment will come when such a decision will not only be expedient from the point of view of the russian leadership, but inevitable, i tried to explain, however, why such a decision has not been made so far. why did moscow show reasonable restraint in this matter, thinking through the possible consequences, this does not mean that, uh? to the united states, uh, whomever else is given an indulgence for eternal times, and they can do whatever they want and russia will not answer directly. on the contrary, i meant from an analytical point of view. e in moscow , including, as it seems to me, in russian military circles. there is a feeling that the united states has already reached this point, when we can say that they have become a direct participant in the conflict. but when to make

a political decision on this matter, this is the moment when you are ready to deal with the consequences too, because simply declaring that the united states has become party to the conflict and do nothing about it. it. it seems to me that it would be counterproductive, but if something is done, then it should be thought out and carried out clearly and clearly, and it seems to me that this is exactly it. russian leadership regarding tactical nuclear weapons. it seems to me, for obvious reasons, it is not in the interests of russia to discuss what types of weapons and in response specifically to what russia will, e, is ready to use, but from my point of view, russia has a wide range, and nuclear weapons from absolutely apocalyptic strategic long-term

less destructive, but also very effective tactical and how the situation will develop. it seems to me that it is absolutely right in moscow that they do not go into such discussions, because we just looked like intimidation, and no one would really take it seriously. and this could only help to mobilize, and public opinion, at least in the west, and possibly not only in the west, against russia, but how is it, if it comes to a nuclear conflict, it would actually happen. eh, i'm not judging . i am sure that in moscow they treat this with a sense of responsibility, just as it seems to me that washington treats this with a sense of responsibility, then there is a slightly different interpretation. and you very correctly quoted an article from a politician. uh, where it was said, uh, according to

some serious american official , not necessarily serious because of his personal seriousness, but because of his high position, that russia might not dare to apply e systems strategic weapons. of course, you are right, and dmitry , that when you understand that such systems are targeting you. this is what is called attracts your attention and yes? you feel a sense of healthy fear, but it is precisely because these systems are so destructive, and people, including the american leadership, including many of the american military , they have. well, if you like, the tendency to convince yourself that russia will never dare to do this. it seems to me that washington is sometimes mixed. e even, probably, sometimes, and often two different concepts. and the fact that the russian leadership and

president putin personally approaches such situations with great caution, if you like, and closely monitor the consequences and in no case do they want a strategic nuclear conflict, which from my point of view is the only correct approach. well, they begin to think that this is never the case in moscow. decide, but how is it? it seems to me that these two concepts, what are called two big differences. and, of course, it would be very important for washington to understand that although no one, uh, in moscow does not want to engage in nuclear blackmail. this does not mean that you can drive moscow into a corner and feel your own safety. well, that's what i would like to say further in this context. uh,

this is what the united states is doing today is doing it absolutely openly, it is not shy in any way, on the contrary, they are proud of how the united states is subjecting ukraine, this brings us to that invisible line, for which the united states undoubtedly becomes a participant in the conflict, but there are some things that now begins to blame, the united states which, if these things were proven, would inevitably make the united states a direct participant in the hostilities against russia and i'm talking about suspicions, moreover accusations that the united states is directly responsible for uh, for the sabotage of nord stream one and nord stream two and these accusations. they were not made in moscow and not in beijing but they were

made in washington last night in a sensational speech by perhaps the most leading american conservative columnist takarakalson. let's see. what can be the consequences of this, every action has a counteraction with the same force and the opposite in nature, you blow up the nord stream gas pipeline. okay, we are moving to a new level, that if the us goes into direct war with the world's largest nuclear power, this does not mean that it will immediately go to nuclear war. we may well be afterwards. let's assume. what can it be, if we really undermined the russian underwater gas pipeline, then why shouldn't russia damage the underwater internet cable? what happens if they do it? what will happen if the banks in london cannot exchange information with the banks in new york, let's just take this not to mention the possible disruption of our power grids, what will happen if we say the banks cannot exchange information, even for one day, what

economic consequences will this lead to in the end will eventually affect your home. this could be a disaster. we can slide down to the level of third world countries. the betting geniuses behind it all, except for victoria, thought about the consequences. maybe they just thought maybe in fact of the matter. uh, dmitry well, what is the name of the word takara? carlson speak for themselves is, of course, not indisputable evidence on this serious suspicion. and if these suspicions were confirmed, then, of course, here we would find ourselves in an even more dangerous situation, what do you think dmitry i think that sabotage against nord stream, uh, and what tucker carlson said proves the destabilizing effect of hybrid war because so far we are in the format and paradigm of a hybrid war. united the states will participate in the ukrainian conflict, but

it will not be clear who will commit the terrorist attacks by considering that they are not a party to it. e against e, the nord stream one and nord stream 2 gas pipelines and indeed. here we tucker carlson is absolutely right. you can go very far here , and that's exactly what hybrid warfare is all about. the ladies are committing actions of an absolutely hostile nature against each other, we are destroying the strategic infrastructure. and the nord stream 1 and nord stream 2 gas pipelines are strategic infrastructure, but at the same time, we kind of do not take responsibility and believe that we have absolutely nothing to do with it, and this is extremely dangerous. and this is precisely what leads to more and more destabilization. that's why it seems to me that it is necessary to translate into a hybrid war into a cold war, because the format of the cold war, when we already clearly understand that we are opponents and we clearly understand that we pose a direct direct threat to each other, has a

stabilizing effect and for me really want to the united states and the leadership of the united states biden administration. in the end, she realized that the high-ranking official who was quoted by the publication of the politician was wrong. and that at a certain stage, russia will indeed be forced to take the decision, which dmitry you spoke about, and most importantly, confirm this political decision with certain steps, which, of course, will not take place, not a nuclear war. i don't think the threat of a global nuclear war is dangerous. why because as soon as we find ourselves in a cold war situation, not a hybrid war, as soon as we become a direct threat to each other. we will immediately, with a high probability, find ourselves at the negotiating table and show the political will in order to prevent a global nuclear war, just like 60 years ago. for the sake of our joint survival , the survival of all mankind and to stabilize

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interests are intensified. uh, for them ukraine is especially in comparison with such an interest as survival and prevention of a nuclear war and here, it seems to me that two rather polar points of view have come to light and a supporter of one of these points cato institute senior fellow, ted carpenter listen to, uh, part of his article from american c american leaders need to be much better at distinguishing vital national interests from secondary or peripheral ones washington's current policy of using ukraine as a proving ground in the war against russia is a worrying example if the united states fails to make these very distinctions, a biden administration risks pushing the conflict with russia into a nuclear war. if only to help the corrupt authoritarian regime in the country, which was of little importance to the us ukraine until the early 1990s. it wasn't even an independent country. not to mention the fact that she

represented the vital interests of the united states for the risks that the biden administration is taking - this is an extremely ill-conceived step that raises questions about the responsibility of the us government to its people, but in a different point of view, but expressed the well-known influential colonists and the washington post davidagsheis. the outcome of events in ukraine will set the rules for the 21st century if blackmail putin will be crowned with success. china will certainly see this as a precedent for taiwan if chinese leaders see that the us and its allies can be intimidated by the nuclear threat. they will act more boldly in this and lies, the hidden danger of this small war in ukraine as it can pave the way for a big war in china in the future that this is existentially interesting, it will depend on this in general

the world order of the 21st century, and will there be a war with china and at the same time prevent a third world war? the core competency of an analyst that we teach our mgimo students is to distinguish between the vital interests of the main secondary and judging by the citation of the cards. the inter american expert community is beginning to ask these important questions for the first time, though in all the classic strategy textbooks. this is the basic task. the number one task for any analysis, the rational approach of american analysts should have led them to the conclusion that that ukraine is a secondary interest. it can be instrumentally used against russia in order to weaken our country, to consolidate allies in europe in order to force them to buy american resources dearly in three years, but ukraine could never become a vital interest for which the united states would be ready to risk its own physical security and hmm, the situation in which they now find themselves naturally,

pushes the most daily analysts to ask these questions. you ignore the white house enough. general talks about principles at stake, that china can strike in that spirit too, but you know, this is too broad a description of a situation that is gradually approaching the construction of the caribbean crisis 13 days that changed the world and that really provided a formative experience for the elite the soviet union and the united states on how to be prudent and precautionary towards each other further the impetus for a whole generation of negotiations on the limitation of strategic offensive arms between for the first time, a telephone connection was established between moscow and washington at that time, which made it possible to quickly exchange messages, except to exclude a misinterpretation of behavior and motive in other directions. the white house now acts like such a naughty teenager who thinks that he is immortal,

that if you need to try everything and only painful life experiences, then teach him wisdom. unfortunately, the history of international relations shows that such recklessness always leads to a major crisis, which just gives this painful experience. here, unfortunately, the current american leaders can not afford to study at mgimo or at the higher school of economics. but on the other hand, they can, uh, remember those lessons and those covenants that they were given by their own presidents. you absolutely rightly mentioned the caribbean crisis and the situation is similar, which we can actually come to. here is the answer to the question i posed. how to combine these two interests was given by president john fitzgerald kennedy in his famous speech in american university shortly after the caribbean crisis a few months after the cuban missile crisis. listen to what john fitzgerald kennedy said then 60 years ago, first of all, defending his own people. it is up to

our own vital interests and the nuclear powers to prevent such confrontations that put the adversary before a choice between humiliating retreat and nuclear war. the death instinct of the whole world. here, apparently, uh, the biden administration has not yet grown to scale. john fitzgerald kenati. here the united states accuses russia of being ready to go for the so -called vertical escalation, that is, to use tactical nuclear weapons in ukraine , but in fact, that's who has more reasons. it seems to me for this vertical escalation. this is ultimately at the west itself. why because it is running out of military resources on the one hand, the biden administration gives a new package of military assistance, and ukraine, on the other hand, more and more reports in the western media . and not only that they already have practically no reserves, that they are exhausted, and the military-industrial complex in peace conditions is not

able to quickly increase the volume of production of military equipment in the required volumes. here is the cnbc channel. uh, the other day i issued a very disturbing report uh for the united states, where it is right, for example, that it is noted that the annual volume of american production of shells for 155-mm howitzers, which are now actively are used in ukraine and spent in 2 weeks in 2 weeks, therefore, they are simply not capable, but quickly, uh, increase the production of nato secretary general from toltenberg. yesterday i convened an emergency meeting of national arms directors, where i just called on the countries to urgently build up. e your military reserves work with your military companies to replenish your own reserves. and in the opinion of the thick. this is the only way the united states will be able to maintain the ability to continue to help ukraine about lavsholz chancellor germany despite the pressure that is being exerted on him , both from the outside and from the inside, he refuses to

provide ukraine with german leopard tanks, appealing both to the shortage of these very tanks of germany itself and to the risks of escalation between e, russia and nato, ivan alekseevich here, considering all these factors and the risk of escalation. by the way, if the americans can believe that the use of tactical nuclear weapons in ukraine is like a collateral, when the collateral damage, in principle, was allowed, then the europeans. it seems to me evaluate it differently. yes, and the degree of perception of the risk of escalation of any escalation by the europeans should be different, so, given this risk of escalation times, given the shortage of weapons and inability to quickly. eh, you do not expect to make any change in the policies of the countries of the european union and nato. your question provides such an excellent opportunity to bring in and

answer at least some fraction of optimism. yes, i expect, but, unfortunately, no, i don’t , but two words about tactical nuclear weapons are traditional in the strategy for tactical nuclear weapons considered to be compensatory for weakness in conventional weapons. that is, those who lose in conventional weapons are forced to resort to the nuclear route . this strategy was officially promoted and declared during the cold war. everything of the warsaw pact was a total flexible response. yes, the person was a respondent, and therefore, uh, all these data that are available and that are given by western analysts indicate that it would be more logical for this western country to switch to the so -called flexible response, that is, to the application tactical nuclear weapons. but the legal mechanisms, how to introduce western tactical nuclear weapons into the ukrainian theater of war

. well, there are no such mechanisms. as for whether they can still be reasonable, you know, that's related to your first question. and, to which andrei andreyevich answered very well, and indeed, ideally, it would be to bring them all to mgimo and at least give them some kind of accelerated program, but in reality the problem is from my point of view. what is the line the watershed runs across the fact that there are those, uh, who belong to the so-called foreign policy establishment. and there are those who are guided by a broader, common sense understandable to political circles and the general public. layers of the population. here is the foreign policy establishment. he developed some kind of his own practically cult strategic cult, they operate. concepts, terms , categories that seem natural to them, but if they are brought up for wider discussion even in the american congress, where are those who

still elected by the people will begin to ask questions. and why? why, well, all these whys and coming to some fairly simple conclusions foreign policy establishment in simple words can not explain what they are doing, they can only talk beautifully within the framework. here is his this cult. and this is understandable. only for them, and unfortunately in the united states, political circles, and also such reasonable experts as dmitry simes. they cannot call upon this foreign policy establishment. to the answer. they are not they can ask them all the unpleasant questions. and here's what in english is called nail down yes, press them with your fingernail and force them to answer uncomfortable foreign policy questions. the unelected bureaucrats have gained incredible power over the american people and over the american state system and are

pursuing a destructive policy, including for their country's property in the long term. and it seems to me that it is here that the watershed line passes and those, the one that you brought, are just one quote these are those who would like to ask uncomfortable questions to the foreign policy put, and another quote. washington post. these are the foreign policy stalks. shmon chews his traditional gum. you are absolutely right and the inability to somehow change or defeat this foreign policy establishment was proved by the experience of donald trump, who tried to actually do something about it and obama before that, but nothing happened. in any case, one of the main responses of the united states to both referendums and the upcoming expansion of the territory russia will be subject to sanctions, they will be announced soon, but here's the wally newspaper. i already wrote with reference to inside that with a high probability sanctions will be aimed at the world payment system at the deposit insurance agency

national clearing center, the national settlement depository, disconnecting new russian banks from the swift system, and so on. well, as we have already seen in the example of turkey and some other countries, the threat of falling under secondary american sanctions, and not even officially announced yet it works, but you understand, and russia and its partners. they will not refuse each other economic cooperation. yes, turkey has stopped using the world payment system, russia and turkey will now create some new joint payment system not controlled by the united states. here, what do you think, this is how we will play catch-up, that is, and they will threaten with secondary sanctions, then we will find a way to get out of these secondary sanctions and do i understand correctly that the main one. uh, the united states will strike a new blow not directly on russia, but on russia's relations with its partners in a sudden world. absolutely correct, uh. we're now, uh, the united states

has charted for ourselves. well, i would name three, probably the most key targets for sanctions strikes. the first is parallel imports and, in particular, interaction with us with our foreign trade foreign economic partners through the mechanism of secondary sanctions. and what else is important here. the fact is that now it is expanding very seriously. interpretation of the concept of circumvention of sanctions, if earlier this interpretation was narrower and under this definition in the first place. uh, there were transactions with crypto-currencies, crypto-wallets, and so on, but now, in fact, as a circumvention of sanctions, they are considered, including the use of national payment systems and e-payments in national currencies. that is, this is also a kind of mechanism for circumventing sanctions, as our western opponents believe. first of all, the united states and , accordingly, this is a reason for the use of secondary sanctions over compline, by business. it 's high enough now. you absolutely rightly said that the experience of turkey showed this to us, when

private banks first refused, and then the state ones. and there are already signals in the post-soviet space. ah. catch-ups are probably inevitable. in this case, it is another matter what, and what will be this balance between our bilateral mutual interest in expanding continued cooperation with our key partners and concerns. e secondary sanctions directly from business and the private sector, which means e. so, accordingly , secondary sanctions are a tool, uh, which will be used primarily to prevent parallel imports and, uh, contacts with our third strange second direction - this is exactly the very same blow to the attempts where he did the implementation, because for the united states this is strategically important now, probably for lorization. in my opinion. this is key a key. oh a key area, which is a consolidator the global south as such? whatever political and economic contradictions

characterize relations between different developing countries, i don't know between india and china and so on. but it is precisely the course towards de-dalarization that is a consolidating factor in which the interests of all parties converge, respectively, this blow to diagonalization will be, uh, the main one, and we will be forced to somehow reorganize. well, of course, we will adapt to these stations. now we will pause for a few moments, and then we will talk about europe hitting targets, when did the war start? how many years have you been now you have to leave a little bit to wait, perhaps return fire will fly. we are all fighters of romance. a volley of fire from the bots that the guys took literally yesterday

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