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what are you? the same is good evening on the air the big game today vladimir putin signed federal laws ratifying the treaties on the entry of the donetsk luhansk people's

republics of the kherson zaporozhye region into russia, that is, the process of the entry of these four regions into russia has been completed and this qualitatively changes the russian attitude towards the special operation to ukraine from now on - this is a war on russian territory for the protection of russian borders and the russian population. at the same time, for many days in a row, official representatives of russia do not get tired to repeat that they consider the united states and nato to be the actual party and participant in this conflict and that the degree of their involvement in this conflict creates the risk of a direct military clash between them and russia, this is how big the risk is and how to prevent a new world war, which is at stake in the struggle of russia and the united states what are the prospects for their relationship and preserved? goals in them at least some positive elements. what is the future of the world order, the fate of which is now being determined on the fronts of the russian special operation

about all this and more. dmitry syme, president of the center for national interests, and i will talk today with a special exclusive guest, who knows much more about russian-american relations than anyone else, since he directly implements russian policy towards the united states of america. states anatoly antonov anatoly ivanovich dmitry good evening. dmitry i give you the floor mr. ambassador thank you very much for visiting us have joined. i know how busy your schedule is. and it's really a great and great opportunity for us to talk to you. and when we look at the situation in russian-american relations. uh, it's obvious. it's not just, uh, the ukraine crisis, it's about the broader question of world order. uh, you, uh, know the russian position

on this matter and you will be able to explain it better than me, as far as the american position is concerned. it also seems obvious to me that the united states, uh, supports ukraine at the level that we seen lately. not just because of their sympathy for the gentleman from zelensky, and not even because of the importance of ukraine in the world economy or world politics, but there were situations when we connected. states used force against other states without any security council authorization . i'm talking about yugoslavia in uh 1999, of course. even the author, one of the architects of this operation, richard holburg, then the secretary of state for europe , said that it was a technical violation of international law. you know, anton ivanovich

it is better than me that in 2003 the american operation against iraq also took place without any sanction from the security council; in general, there were no world-scale crises on this issue. but in this case, the united states of nato took the position that russian actions pose a threat. not just even american interest. not just even european stability. that they pose a threat to the world of order, what does that mean from your point of view? why can't e of the collective smell be so obsessed with this ukrainian topic? colleagues thank you very much for the opportunity to share with you my views on the essence of current international relations in the center,

which are, er, russian-american relations. and uh, i would probably start from the main thing today to try to understand. and why are russian-american relations today in such a deplorable state and the answer or discussion of this problem. uh, it's very, very multifaceted than just simple words that we we often hear various kinds of talk shows, and politicians in disputes. uh, or uh, political scientists simply say that relations between the us and russia have reached a dangerous point. today is nothing to say. it is impossible to look for an answer to this question in the story of nikolai vasilyevich gogol about how ivan ivanovich quarreled with ivan nikiforovich; here, not just an analysis of relations, we are talking about tectonic shifts in the international arena, in essence, the united states to

defend the international order they created, the state of affairs that meets their interests perhaps i agree with those politicians who claim that americans are basking in the benefits of the world order that they have created among its advantages for themselves. the united states calls the spread of freedom and democracy the absence of war between the great powers, at least until the last moment, as well as the unprecedented growth of the economy and prosperity. here, uh, probably, many should smile, considering the current economic situation, some americans have researched. i'm trying to describe us politics, comparing it to being a lazy sheriff. this they say a cowboy who sits in a small town. they read newspapers in front of the table, put their heavy boots on the table, smoke and drink

whiskey. all this until then. until the gangsters enter the city and force him to pull out his revolver, the comparison is figurative enough. it says that the americans have appointed themselves as the policeman who monitors the world order, and all those countries that would like to change this american way of acting, you should be punished to destroy or change their leadership. here, in fact. brief a description of what is happening in our relations and ukraine is just a trigger for all those, er, deep problems that are today, er, to be exposed. there are, but in the world we are not satisfied with the rules of the game that the americans are trying to impose on us. uh, dimitri america loves to remember his former presidents in particular. here, uh, i watched it in preparation for your broadcast. e. to the statement. john cansiadams

recalled that he lived in the late 18th and early 19th centuries, was the sixth president of the united states and belonged to the party whigs. these are the republican conservatives. so adams said that americans do not like to leave the borders of their country. uh, in order to find and destroy the monsters. in reality, however, this does not in any way correspond to what the americans are doing; the americans have not only pursued and are pursuing a policy of persecution and peace tolerance. they also went to war with the same monsters and examples of recent years are widely known dmitry you have already mentioned some of them i will just expand this list for you when the norwegian milosevic hussein gaddafi these people lost their lives with the help of american power the united states in these matters did not hold back either morality or financial costs. the only task is to preserve

the foundations of the world order that are beneficial for themselves for the majority of politicians. today it is obvious that america is losing its influence and is being squeezed by new centers of power. it is important that this trend will continue and grow at the current moment. it's hard to even answer. e to the question of what the word of the american world order will lead to. or maybe the united states is still strong and can hold and can to keep the framework of the world order, which they created for themselves, it seems to me that the answer to the last question. it is obvious the general trend is unstoppable. no one will allow, neither china nor india , of course, russia to have a world order or that the world is ruled by only one center of power, that is, the united states with the support of its satellites. therefore, i believe that the ukrainian crisis should be looked at. e, in a broad sense, in terms of changing the

world order, which, according to many political scientists , consists of three parts, the economics of politics and military components here. uh, if in the field of politics and the military component it becomes clear to us where we are moving, then the problems of the economy. still to be sorted out, and it would be interesting colleagues. discuss maybe you have. and what is the new world order in the economic sense of the word? anatoly ivanovich the economic world order is a very interesting topic and we will definitely invite you and return to it, but today we would like to discuss, uh, more immediate questions and, uh, questions, first of all, of what is happening between russia and the united states. you mentioned president john quindsiadas. well, i think, you

will agree, what he imagined international relations, and how he saw the american role in the world. this is very different from what has become the norm in american foreign policy today. i give you tomatoes of another american president, fuck the first american president of the founding father, who is at the end of his presidency in his farewell message. talked about how the united states should conduct a careful weigh-in. politics how the united states should not have permanent allies and should not be deceived by some countries that are trying to drag their feuds into the united states. especially on the european continent, this is all already so discarded that it seems to me that few people in the administration in congress remember this story, but here is the story that we all remember, anatoly ivanovich, this is something

that is directly related to your expertise and not only to your expertise as an ambassador, but for those uh of our viewers. who does not know your you have a rich and very important career. after all, you were the deputy minister of foreign affairs, and you were the deputy minister of defense, and you dealt a lot with issues of arms limitation and strategic stability. and that's when we look more specifically at the fact that the struggle for world order. for russian-american relations, especially strategic stability, especially the military dimension, what do you think is happening ? is it really all that has been accumulated as experience in international relations on some kind of partnership in this important area. this is what, now everything is discarded and becomes. if you want just some historical material. and as a diplomat working today in

washington, my colleagues, of course, it's bitter that no one talks in washington today about stabilizing or developing bilateral relations. russia is definitely here. she gained the status of an enemy, that is, one of those same monsters, about which we just talked about monsters that need to be destroyed the task of depleting our country is to leave on force the knees to comply with the instructions. the west will not give us the opportunity to speak with other states on an equal footing at the present time, frozen all areas of interaction, from the culture of sports to the issue of strategic stability, which i think we will have the opportunity to talk with you, let me remind you that the issues of control over weapons

even in heavy. the cold war years were the anchor that kept our common russian-american ship from crashing against the rocks of military confrontation. today we only have crumbs of that rich heritage that we received from our predecessors. here you can call cosmos by the way, today, uh, our female cosmonaut launched. e flew. rather, on a ship into space, the volume remains minimal. e interactions, even if you can use it. this is a word in the field of non-proliferation of weapons of mass destruction it should be mentioned of course the so-called deconfusing in syria where our military contacts on the situation on the ground in order to prevent unintentional clashes at the same time time stressed that the americans at the political level is particularly important states. they

consider it expedient to completely break off relations with the deputy, it is necessary to have their representatives in moscow, by the way, it was recently announced that in the near future we can expect the appointment of a new one in moscow, and the ambassador is quite briefly what concerns the nature and level of relations with the united states of america at this stage. e, anatoly ivanovich, i would like to return to the question, which, it seems to me, is indeed of a fundamental nature, from which we started, and where, here's how the pieces of the puzzle fit into russian american relations on various issues, and on iran and syria, on strategic stability, and on some other issues. this is a question of world order. we are witnessing the formation of a more equitable multipolar polycentric world order, both in the field of security and in the field of politics and in the field

of economics. you asked the economy, so here is today's opec plus decision to cut oil production in spite of the tough american pressure and even blackmail , the biden administration did not hide the fact that it put pressure on both saudi arabia and the united arab emirates. and in order for them to increase oil production, they decided to reduce it. this is a very important indicator that in the field of economics, the world economy is no longer dancing to the american tune, that many regions of the world and the world order are being liberated. in general, the same thing happens in politics in fact. uh, i would even call the american order the american unrest to be uh, and this is the post -cold war world that was a mess, because the key uh, players in this balance of power , like russia china, they didn't agree. with

american dominance, and this here stamp uh, the world order is a liberal world order based on the rules. it's just, you know , a wrapper that hides unilateral dominance and, well, the unipolar dictatorship of the united states moreover, and the united states has traditionally presented itself as a benevolent hegemon. in a relationship those countries that accept american hegemony, but on the example of today's europe, on the example of the fact that, apparently, the united states did northern flows, this ceases to work even with regard to american allies, that is, the united states ceases to be a benevolent hegemon, even for its own closest allies. not to mention world peace, but still, the united states is fighting desperately to maintain its hegemony. they see that russia is in the forefront a. and those countries that

they strive, but to complete this hegemony and form a multipolar just international order, and it is against russia that the united states has dealt, respectively, the most severe blows in recent times. it seems to me that very serious symptoms have appeared here, just about which i want to ask you , the american media have recently begun to openly write about it, and former high-ranking officials are openly talking about the admissibility of direct military strikes in the united states against russia. military many experts. and it's like e. we all subscribed to the formula that a nuclear war should never be started, because it, uh, because there can be no winners in it. we also understand that if there is a direct military clash between russia and the united states, it will be very difficult to prevent an escalation in the nuclear level, nevertheless, it is openly stated. on

the admissibility and expediency of striking in russia, the destruction of the black sea fleet, and so on, moreover, on absolutely far-fetched, but on the pretext as if supposedly, but the readiness of russia to use tactical nuclear weapons in ukraine, which absolutely does not fit into the logic or the letter e of the russian nuclear doctrine of anatoly ivanovich here. how would you comment on such statements by the united states at the embassy, ​​we noticed that in recent days. the rhetoric of the speeches of american former politicians has become very sharply toughened, and i emphasize that many publications have appeared, in the media , which talk about a possible decapitating strike on the kremlin, by the way, it is surprising that this publication was made by wiki and was

not very noticed by russians. and i think that it is very serious when they talk about the murder, in fact, the president of the legitimate president. the incomprehensible arguments of the locals, i will remain on a diplomatic basis, i will say unhealthy political scientists who say the dismemberment of our motherland, the creation of dozens of small states on our territory and, of course, no right to nuclear weapons and constantly together in the security council. nobody says stressed these rights. nobody gave us. we achieved them thanks to the heroic efforts of the soviet people and the victory of the red army in world war ii. the great patriotic war it was then that we gained the right to nuclear weapons and a permanent seat on the un security council. we

noticed that in recent days the number of publications in the american media has increased referring to sources in the pentagon that dmitry, what you said about what allegedly the washingtons said today in various kinds russian programs. we have an account that allows us to strike even in crimea, as well as in new territories of the russian federation, which territories that joined our country a few days ago as a result of the people's will , we are talking about donetsk luhansk zaporozhye kherson is firmly convinced that we will defend our crimea and new territories as an integral part of our country in this our actions will be adamant this thought in all our conversations with the americans. i wanted to say there friends can not, so to speak.

uh partners. probably, after all, it would be better for the interlocutors to say, we are trying all the time to convey to them so that they understand this perfectly, you are absolutely right when you say that the current crisis, after the annexation of these four new territories, uh, acquires a different content, because they begin to strike at our territory, which is absolutely unacceptable, and they strike with american weapons, and again we come to the problem of direct involvement of the united states of america in this conflict anatoly ivanovich here, when it comes to the risk of a direct military clash between russia and the united states, it immediately comes to mind. comes. uh, the caribbean crisis and in a few days we will be celebrating the 60th anniversary of this very important event in the history of the 20th century. on the one hand then. both the union and the united states came closest to the

threat of a direct military clash and to a nuclear war, and a global nuclear war, but on the other hand, it seems to me that the caribbean crisis played a very important role in stabilizing soviet-american relations, because it generated, and a rational healthy fear of the threat of mutual nuclear annihilation, it was precisely as a result of the caribbean crisis that red lines were formed. the rules of the game, which provided both a dialogue on arms control and the adoption of treaties on the st-1 rsmd. uh, and uh, about naturally yes, but more, well, that is, he initiated a more mature stage, and the cold war and a less dangerous stage of the cold war, so here the attitude to the caribbean crisis is very ambiguous. here, in your opinion. anatoly ivanovich here. now comparing current situation from that situation we are in a similar

situation. now we are, uh, with the united states, as we were 60 years ago, or is this comparison irrelevant to your point of view. you know i'll be careful. i believe that this issue requires further study last night on the eve of our meeting today. i read more. e, kissinger's excellent work, e, diplomacy, and looked at the memoirs of anatol fedorovich dobrynin , i will say that in different ways a participant in that diplomatic, e, dialogue. e, characterizes everything, what happened recently our hippocademia. as you know, i held a serious useful conference. on this score, experts will gather in geneva in a week to remember those times and see what lessons can be useful for the current situation. at least emphasize that this is the russian position, and the inadmissibility of unleashing a nuclear war and

the impossibility of victory in it remains unchanged in washington have already forgotten the basics of strategic stability, the essence of which boils down to a very simple formula, whoever shoots first will die second on the 6th anniversary of the cuban missile crisis , i would like to believe that there are those in the united states who have learned this main lesson in any situation. our countries are obliged to prevent the world from sliding into a catastrophe. we're generally holding, uh, committed to the fundamental principles of diplomacy. for us , the importance of cooperation in the field of arms control between the two largest nuclear powers in the world is obvious, building confidence and security is in the national interest. e of the peoples of russia, the usa and the whole world, and to be brief, but unambiguously answer your questions. i am

i thought a lot about how to answer this. i do n't think we've moved on yet. to that peak of tension that existed 60 years ago, namely, i looked at how anatoly fedorovich dobrynin defines it on october 23, when after which a gradual e, decrease e of tension began, but i completely share your analysis with him, but i would like to confirm these fundamental theses that we must take into account when discussing the current confrontation between, uh, russia and the united states. well, now let's press on a little advertisement and return to the conversation with anatoly ivanovich antonov in a few moments.

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in the ether big game and we continue an interesting conversation with the ambassador of the russian federation to the united states of america anatoly ivanovich antonov dmitry i ask you for the floor and the gentleman went, but let's return to the caribbean crisis. i agree with you that in one respect the current situation do not look so dangerous, because there is no such direct confrontation between russia and the united states, after all, so far