of the summer age, they were sent to the ground forces not for 25 years, as before, she was not recruited into the army for six years in central asia, therefore, recruits from other regions were sent there, including from poland, the soldier’s service was hard, for example, there is such a subtlety that bed linen appeared only in 1997 , and they slept on wooden bunks , straw pillow defect, and covered. look how a soldier dressed on top of his pants. this is how a person dressed, do not take trousers, firstly. olga picked up a complete set of military uniforms, in which her tradition served. there were also

boots in size. now olga is dressed in the same way as her great-grandfather august was in military service more than 100 years ago . ah, guard, arm yourself. the three-line rifle is in the shoulder position so careful which heavy is heavy? that 's all and calmly we carry out the protection of the post, that is, we walk slowly, because it takes us two whole hours to walk. that's it, yes.

while the popular actress olgalts is studying features of the service of her great-grandfather in the russian army, her sister, no less popular actress tatyana arntgolts, gets used to the image of the maid of honor of the imperial court. but it was precisely the maid of honor according to the family legend that was their great-grandmother three times. in the table of ranks of women's ranks, maids of honor occupied the lowest fifth line for court service , only unmarried noble daughters aged 14 to 20 years of maid of honor were accepted and shifted on duty under the empress and carried out her various assignments. for which they were paid a salary of 600 rubles. at

the year of the chambers, the maid of honor, who occupied a higher position in the palace hierarchy, received a salary of 1,000 rubles. however, they did not have any special duties. almost the only advantage of the maids of honor was the opportunity to find the most profitable rich and noble groom at court as soon as the maid of honor got married. she automatically left the court service, while the empress. generously, he gave her dresses or bed linen in the amount of 25 to 40,000 rubles, betrayed in cash with jewels. maid of honor of the imperial the court were privy to all the intricacies of court etiquette, which had been studied for years, the girls had to know how many steps to stop in front of the empress, what should be the look and posture, the position of the hands and head, one wrong movement could turn the first appearance of young rails in the yard into the last. tell me, without what the young lady had no right to come to the costume score. oh

, well, not only the young lady and the young lady and the young man, did not have the right to draw for benzents without gloves. yes, because gloves are like nobility symbol. and even a very important point. if for the first time you are not a married young lady, you have arrived at the ball, be sure to first ask permission to dance with you not from you, but from your mom and dad. yes, before you invite a lady to a dance, and there must have been some kind of ritual, inviting some kind of curtsy from the side. yes, he is a man coming up to you and making a bow. you get up. nyx yes, he gives you a hand, but again , too, my hand should also be in a glove was unacceptable. as you understand, yes, and you already then take the ladies and go to the dance in

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found out that their surname in german means an eagle tree learned what they should have been able to do ladies-in-waiting of the imperial court and soldiers of the russian army. now they are going to find the answer to the main question, how did he die and where is his grandfather alfons augustevich buried? the last letter before sending to the front. he wrote to his wife antonina from leningrad antonina chirikova by her husband, arntgolts was born in 1912 in st. petersburg, the paternal grandmother of tatyana and olga arntgolts, the sisters remember well grandmother tonya, but how often it happens about the past during her lifetime. they didn’t have time to ask, now tatyana and olga intend to catch up and learn about their grandmother, as much as possible from their father and sister they know that during the blockade , grandmother antonina worked in the cartography department. perhaps her personal a business. well, here today about our grandmother

antonin alekseevna arntgolts in girlhood. chirikov. antonin alekseevna means that there was a call for a junior technician of the topographic service, which means she worked with the accepted photo workshop on march 31, 38, for the position of senior photo laboratory assistant of the position. she worked on compiling probably maps and photo plans in the department of cartography , a unique device has been preserved, with the help of which three-dimensional maps were previously compiled, it turns out that even during the great patriotic war it was widely technologies were used that became the prototypes of modern 3d graphics, which are now used in film and television. that is, this device here allows you to get a scopic model, but we can say that this is a prototype of modern three-dimensional virtual 3d models . this is the old 3d. that is, this is the prototype. this is the great-grandfather of our 3.000

now. but always when you see two images in each eye separately different, you feel some kind of some kind of flight. the truth is formed in the pictures does not add up it's not clear yet, but here's something there is a feeling that i'm looking at the place. well, such a volume is still visible there in the personal file of her grandmother, the sisters find an interesting entry, it turns out that antonina arntgolts was seriously involved in hockey and was even a master of sports. she played in the dynamo women's team and participated in all allied competitions. uh, here's one. here is an interesting entry. she had a vacation without pay in the forty-first year in january to participate in a hockey match in the city of moscow , she probably played women's hockey. that is it here is a record, everything is absolutely accurately recorded. tatyana and olga can't wait to

get acquainted with the women's hockey great master, which was their grandmother, they go to the rink. hello, how are you? excellent help once a year did not stand, you can calmly let go, so as not to fall. now how the key is held correctly, how curly ones are completely curly. no, why. participated in the popular project of channel one ice age. oh, and i had to replace tatiana in the ice show, who, due to pregnancy, had to to stop performing in partnership with maxim stavitsky, the girls successfully comprehended the difficulties of

figure skating, but ice hockey turned out to be an even more serious test. fine. the helmet was necessary and can be removed by the helmet. it doesn’t hurt either, we don’t tear off the legs to the side. oh, where did you run away from me. yes, i have nothing to do here. antonina's grandmothers. it turns out that she made military maps using the technology that became the prototype, modern 3d and was a master of sports in women's hockey. the truth about your case, nothing yet managed to continue the search for ancestors along the line of tatyana olga's father are sent to the central

state historical archive of st. petersburg. here, for the first time, they manage to find out the names and origins of their paternal grandmothers and great- grandfathers. her father is alexei grigorievich chirikov, that is, respectively, your great-grandfather. yeah, he was a peasant in the novgorod province. that is, your roots go back to the province of many cities. well, well, he was also married to maria ivanovna , that is, your great-grandmother. her name was maria ivanovna from archival documents it follows that the great-grandmother of the gemini sisters was engaged in baking and confectionery business. we found. e information that maria ivanovna and she lived in st. petersburg here is from the fourteenth to the seventeenth year. we found information that she owned a bakery, owned a bakery that sold various sweet goodies, now the sisters have a direct road to the

pastry shop. no need again tami and olya are eager to learn the secrets of old recipes and learn the intricacies of great-grandmother's craft. oh well, that we will deal with you in the confectionery business. yes, we will cook sour cream, in a rustic way, just such sour cream was prepared in the great-grandmother's bakery , the craftsmen agreed to open the cooking recipe with a spicy one, but the proportions of the components. still, they left them a secret; you need to whip the cream first. oh what a smell, straight cottage cheese? beauty start making a cake. we repeat we put another, now the third.

during the time the antgolts sisters learned the art of culinary art, the program expert, my family tree studied an old photograph, family, hands and a diary three times, great-grandmothers tatyana and olga now he is ready to answer the question whether there was a lady-in- waiting of the imperial court in the family? pass on the photographs of an urban family, somewhere in the second half of the 19th century, the most important thing here is clothing, ladies, these hats, which we see here are called katnatya , a characteristic detail is flowers. on a rope, such flowers are typical of the late 19th century. in addition, in the hand of one woman an umbrella is an umbrella with a bone handle plus. here we see a lace umbrella, not used after the beginning of the twentieth

century in the hands. there radikulya allows all this to say that we have a fairly wealthy family in front of us and the photograph dates back to somewhere in the nineties of the xix century. the day before us, it has some features, firstly, there is a date when it was started and a date when it was completed. secondly, it is very clear handwriting with very clear letters. and thirdly , very good style. judging by the dates, it began to be conducted in 1863 and was completed in 1866, apparently . it can be said that this diary belonged to a lady who was somehow associated with court circles. however , we cannot say for sure that the lady, let's say, was fell. i think that there is nothing wrong with the fact that this version was not confirmed, but it was not refuted either. yes, i was plainly refuted, which means that the probability still remains, but it was still

very interesting. well, of course, very interesting. in any case, it already seems to me that it is also further in our hands. it is possible, of course, to check everything, the sisters of the actress tatyana and olga arntgolts continue to study their genealogy. soon they will have to find out how strawberry island became a bay of death, what he wrote in his last letter from the front or grandfather, and where is the missing grandfather buried? the empress put on the mantle the crown presented to her by archbishop ambrose, so elizabeth emphasized her legal right to the throne of the russian empire . her father peter i died without leaving a will , elizabeth's position at court was very. shaky, she had to either take power into her own hands or wait for the execution, the guards literally brought in elizabeth

to the winter palace on their shoulders. reign, which began as a series of festivities and balls , became the beginning of the russian enlightenment, elizabeth's thief, one of the most brilliant in europe, became a symbol of not only power, but also the cultural growth of the power empire elizaveta petrovna the deed of the village herd, the pink nut became the second person in the empire popular twin actresses tatyana and olga arntgolts continue to search for their roots. they already learned the old recipes of the great-grandmother-confectioner clarified. what salary did the empress's ladies-in-waiting receive and from their own experience they were convinced that women's hockey is different from the ice age show

ahead of the main question that worries the whole family, how did their grandfather alfonsongolts die and where is buried, tatiana's grandfather, who went missing in the great fatherland in 1909 in tashkent and olga arntgolts on the paternal side. the sisters go to the military-historical museum road of life to find documents about the battles on the ladoga island dryly, but it turns out that their grandfather does not appear in the lists of the dead, which means that these are all the participants, right? in theory, on the island of the participants in the battle on the island is dry, october 22, the forty- second year. you see, you don’t have a comrade here, yes, so he probably didn’t participate in the combat dry, in order to find out how to proceed, tatyana and olga again turn to the site of the program

my genealogy. in 2006, the ministry of defense of the russian federation created a generalized computer data bank memorial on its website. you will find digitized archival documents to the person you are interested in and you will be able to find out his rank, the number of the unit in which he served, the date and reason for his exclusion from the lists, as well as the place of burial on the website of the generalized data bank memorial tatyana and olga unexpectedly find completely new information in the documents, the island is not dry, but the name their grandfather. alphonse arntgolts is mentioned in connection with another island , mansensare, on which in the forty-first year there were also fierce battles, translated from the finnish mansisaary strawberry island. disappeared everywhere missing, you know? according to all documents, he was

missing. i mean, it means he wasn't found there. well, you know, i never heard, actually from my grandmother, that it was found. if the grandmother does not know where he is buried. no, grandma says he died there on the island. dad also says that he died there on the dry island. for some reason it is written on the island. we are montisare. what is it? never even heard of it. this is his name no. popes. no, grandmothers, perhaps me, this is generally all that we know about grandfather and what dad knows and what grandma knows. that is, it turns out that there is a completely different story? phew i have something all overturns. we will look for our last letter

, tatyana olga's grandfather wrote on july 22, 1941. well, i’m fine in the fresh air, everything from 18 to 19 left leningrad, everything is fine and, on the whole, i’m in a calm mood, i sleep cheerfully. under the open sky. for a long time i have not felt such pleasure as your loneliness flows. 2 days later, on july 24, 1941, the battalion alphonsongolz entered the battle on the island of monsensari. tatyana and olga arntgolts are going to ladoga kurgan. the entire history of battles is collected here, those who died on the road of life and during the defense of ladoga are buried here. this is the most fierce battles on ladoga, the bay of death was called such islands as

mentar these islands, which are actually under heavy fire when the landing force landed. this is approximately 35,400 people were landed on this island mantiansaria. the battalion was sent behind enemy lines, almost blindly intelligence data not as a result of the battle, out of 4 desyatnikov , only 15 of the dead and wounded survived; the rhine of the village of osinovich was taken here . what i'm saying is that there's a huge possibility of your grandfather's burial in this mass grave. well, that is, i understand that there is nowhere else to go.

in the course of searching for her family tree, tatyana olga arntgolts managed to learn a lot about her ancestors and how they lived, what they did, but most importantly, the sisters managed to uncover a secret that gave rest to the whole family, almost 70 years. now where is this alfon sangolz no longer missing. now their family knows where to bow to the memory and ancestor. well, it was very interesting, an excellent start has been made for us to deal with our pedigree further. we now at least know what true stories to really tell next. here are our smallest ones that appear, that now we will know for sure. what will you tell? it seems to me that now, when we learned about our ancestors. i am understand something better about us. i understand better, some of our traits, maybe some feature of our family, that's our blood. she

regularly risked her own life to help those in need with her heart, she gave people , you know, it feels like he was ripped out a piece of his heart. until recently, we do not believe the body has not been found. and that means an error. maybe it was delayed somewhere, maybe another help for someone. we cannot believe such people. they just don't go away. she could not but want to put up with death everything, conquering her love with compassion and humanity. guardian angel, like i don’t know, like

the dearest person. as a mother, i cannot tell you, she gave everything her love. today, alone with everyone, the husband of the legendary doctor liza, lawyer gleb glinka, and the successor of her business, ksenia sokolova petrovna, has been expanding every year. now, if she started with palliative care and continued with helping hmm to the homeless and already combined these two areas, then here are the hostilities that happened in 2014, when she got involved in them so actively, this was also something. well, like something new, why did she feel like she should? why did she perceive this object of trouble as her own? well, because it was the object of trouble. that is, she, as she saw, here is some kind of object of trouble, so serious, she,

no matter who it is, that it was she who began to help and actually. there she is in donetsk, donetsk region and lugansk region. in my opinion, at that moment she saw just the most affected, uh, so to speak, children, uh, who themselves with severe diagnoses and children from the baby house, and who are in a situation where not only the doctors have already left, and there is a war around, that is, bombs are literally falling. right here and now and, of course, seeing this. she realized that somehow it needs to be stopped and somehow it needs to be helped. at that moment, the situation was such that it was very difficult to do something for them, but she broke through everything and she did it. she began to take them out just to take. i mean, she found a solution. well, that is, of course, yes, in the middle of the war in e, or, well, it all started, in my opinion, a child, then just babies

literally, it's the little refuseniks lying. and then we have different other children with oncology. children with heart problems and so on. that is, she saw that it was impossible to help there. it is possible to insert it, respectively, but the decision to take it out is impossible, because they just shoot because it’s bomb, because real military operations are going on without any discounts at all, but she decided that she would go anyway and through these military operations she would use this chance to bring out the children, and she began to do this, and she began to make. so the hostilities subsided while she was transporting children. you know, she said this in an interview. here, starting with this first evacuation. e from the baby house, so it tells, huh? it's just unbelievable. it 's very hard to believe. what did she do , but she did. she saved those kids. here's the proof. and so to speak, they are everywhere

. is that how she did it? this is also absolutely fantastic. oh, i mean, uh could get shot, uh, and her whole ambulance bomb. uh, at any moment, erratic absolutely fire. but she just walked up through him and took these children out of there in the summer of 2014 . yulia kurenkova. i was walking with a friend in a park in the center of gorlovka, young people were about to leave when the first shell fell. a terrible roar of smoke, and now it is falling, the second third at the same time. they continue to fall again, you can already hear how they click on the asphalt, we are already pushing at your feet, the hot wave is the only one of those who were in the park during the shelling remained alive the girl herself was able to get to the nearest hospital and already lost consciousness there. the building was

destroyed, so the first operation of the girl was performed in the hospital basement, there were not enough medicines and the doctors decided to go to donetsk, the girl called me and said that there was an opportunity to be treated in moscow and that dr. liza would come. and we are waiting for her one of these days, and she can , only my consent, to which i said that i was saying, we have no money , we cannot leave. he said, it's completely free. let's wait for lisa in a few days arrived. liza, she was such a small thin woman with big beautiful eyes. elizaveta glinka always took a direct part in all rescue operations. she took out sick and wounded children from the donbass under bullets so that they could get help in the best hospitals in moscow and st. petersburg. and when i

went into intensive care, there the children were already being prepared for being sent to the station, and the windows were very large, they were wide open, i say. is it possible so? here, she says, so she says it's better if now from window explosion waves can break and fragments will fly at children. a terrible diagnosis of a tumor of the brain stem divided the life of the family into before and after. in his native donetsk, little maxim could not be helped because of the hostilities in the city there was no unnecessary equipment, no specialists. maxim's mother elena turned to dr. lisa for help . so, as always, she did not remain indifferent in her tenth year. she took us out for treatment . this person was. such kindness. such love we,

when flying in an airplane, she is a small child hugged her and pressed her to her chest. he cried a lot, he immediately calmed down with her for his wards, the doctor. lisa organized the house of mercy, where they live free of charge and receive all the necessary help and medicines until the last day of the doctor's life. lisa did not leave the attention and care of her wards not to see that she was no longer there. just can't believe it, it seems. now she will come in the door and knock, as always, maxim will say how are you. me dr. lisa started to sing songs you knew that she would go to

there somehow you discussed it listen, well it once upon a time it happened, so to speak, for the first time one thing happened, the paveletsky railway station, and there it was not the most favorable, the environment was dangerous, but another thing was literally war. well, in the interval between these and other projects, the fires were flooding mountain boxes, not a war at all. you see, i will say this, i did not expect it to pour for so long. this is the action of the thing. eh, that's enough. uh, a significant first she didn't expect. she thought it would be. well, how many, well, six places, at least proud, and hmm, and therefore she even began to say yes, the military and after mine for her. it was such a cliff, and e, and in the end. it seems to me that she almost broke her, she

could bear, and suffering and incredible physically difficult conditions, but she could not bear what these people did to each other. consciously, the children returned. this is a trip she said, gleb, i have to go very, uh, it's funny, yes, i said, i want to go like this, well, of course, i asked how dangerous it was. she, of course, collected me, i realized that she was lying, but you know let go don't let her go. well, it was impossible not to let go. no, it wasn't possible. we had one. well, it's a very intimate moment. we have such a not classy agreement with anyone. this is very bad. uh, the other one obeys. that is, for example, he once told me, and i feel very good here. but

if you do not live, and i will go back home with you. so maybe it was possible to say it, but i would never say, it would never occur to me to say no. do not do what is the judgment of your life and your final joy is wild. well, in short, i was worried about her. but mostly, but i also want to emphasize this. basically. everything was absolutely normal absolutely happy. well , we went to the theater, laughed, walked along the boulevard, teasing each other. well, like normal people. she was absolutely fearless to be shot. uh, her whole ambulance. evolve at any moment, chaotic absolutely fire. but she just went through with him and these children were a doctor. lisa was a persistent person. she could

bear non-variant, physically difficult conditions, but she couldn't bear what it is people do to each other. consciously no one could stop her. it didn't occur to me to say no. do not do what is the essence of your life and your ultimate joy. the right to life, dr. liza, was touched upon by the fact that not everyone was unambiguously perceived by the activities that elizaveta petrovna took up, because i think that this is the same effect, that it’s impossible to believe that such unequivocal kindness exists and it’s impossible to believe that in general, a person can act in the interests of the individual. here, in general , outside of politics, outside of anything. here, so to speak, actions from heart to heart. it's just that

one person feels bad and the other person. he says, i'm going to help, because i think it's bad for you, that this is the main reason, but not only is it impossible that petrovna went to the dance enough. well, that is, different points are quite serviceable at some point, you went with her to where there was direct action. you know what i'll tell you, it all really looks like some cinema, as if everything had happened. you know how it is with the director. and so everything went to what it came to and comes to, and then she will also be some kind of me. i feel inside some kind of hollywood literally, because then, uh, i realized, firstly, what? indeed, lisa needs to be protected, and somehow it happened that i really took her side there. ah, well, first of all, i didn't want to leave her, because this trip was just in the middle of a frenzy. and

secondly, i wanted to see what she was really doing there. that's how it goes because before that she described it to me. so, and it so happened that she had a trip there, where one more hand was needed, and we really went there together. here i am, yes, i saw it all, and most importantly, i saw it, firstly, huh? as much as it is really necessary, because she literally literally took these children out of a situation that was fatal for them with her hands. well, that is, conditionally there is a child who has cancer there, he can do something with him, chemistry, and so on. uh, something else, if you take it from there, move it normal hospital. and if he stays there, there's no chance of him, uh-huh. so that's very clear. yes, this is no e, there is nothing to discuss about, you take, and then you began to expand your activities. she began to distribute leaflets, because children are like all children, which they understand. yes, yes, about the mines

, incredible injuries of children began there simply, well, since we know this about the history of the great patriotic war as children who played and did not understand that this was not a toy, and as a result it ended tragically. well, that is, as if she found time and the scope is ever wider. there, of course, naturally. she found, uh, areas of application, because there weren't many such people there. let's be honest. here and there. uh, the need for help is huge. here is ksyusha. i want to ask you, listen, you explained motivated me. why did you go with her, but still, could you imagine ? this is also the power of contagion, but uh, well, you don't seem to be with a person who is ready. like this. well, first of all, she started her career. here is a war from business trips. yeah, that is, i had such an experience, but he remained in the distant past, after all, a son, and i decided to myself that i simply would not do this for certain reasons, because if you are a journalist , you must transmit war news, a i

realized from a fairly early age that i was not able to do this, because i also wanted, of course, to help all the people around, and these are two mutually exclusive, so to speak, works here, and here. well, you just know, here's the situation, it 's starting to take shape somehow. she just then she rolls like a coma and you just participate in it and with lisa then it happened, because i heard her story in this interview, how she goes there, what she does there, and i realized that i can’t help but do. now i will tell you. and what about this story of hers? in a sense, in the reality in which i wish, which was around us in general, it was generally something of the most important thing, yeah. so i realized that her compassion is hers , really. i don’t know some kind of force that crushes all obstacles, which dragged to the most terrible places of this world and gave

her the opportunity to help pull out of there to do those who you need to need, that this is something most important. what i generally see here and now, i really singled out this, and some kind of absolute distilled kindness and an amazing thing, but also not a surprising thing, when this tragedy happened or for petrovna did not become, then there is a huge amount. people but uttered the words the word holy that is, what about in life didn’t take risks and it seemed like it? well somehow it's too much here. it was somehow baptized that this is it. well, i guess that's what these people look like. they are probably really like that, when

we say holy holy, it seems to us that it is someone in the sky, some kind of white clothes, i don’t know, it goes there and somehow magically everyone around becomes happy, recovers and so on. well , of course, if we talk about the fox, from my point of view, what was not the most important thing. just imagine. yes, that's how the world works. so we all don't have enough resources. here are none. yes on everything is not enough. i do not know, there is heat for me enough money for not enough. well, all that we have to do, we are rarely born, who is born in front of a verb-obtainable environment with the golden best in the mouth, when everything is there. uh, as a rule, you have to go there and that's it. here is how something in life snatches out here to suffice. we are all very developed. the grasping reflex is enough to drag it to oneself, but to rake it in oneself and that's normal

. because resources are absolutely identifitsit. but lisa was arranged exactly on the opposite image - she gave everything away. she had that instead of grabbing. it was built into her to give, and she gave everything with the same naturalness and with the same joy as another person receives, that is, she simply had it. in this, she was somehow fundamentally arranged in her own way. and i really didn’t see such a device anywhere else, because there was such naturalness, joy and liveliness in it. here, in this process in the sense that a living person. you now you contradict, well, only that we imagine the saints as some kind of distilled people who are devoid of any vices at all, and they simply just waved their hands. well, the holy is not equal to the fairies is not equal to the wizard is not equal. e. well, these fabulous ideas, so to speak. i don't think i've

seen any saints. i heard about them. i read about them and so on, but it’s hard to compare a really living person with this, but let’s say this is the basic difference from almost all other people. i knew yes it was. here is some completely special device of her own to give everything and be glad that she gave everything was very difficult if we tell her to buy some new fur coat or something like that in a week or two, some acquaintance will come to her in the same half an hour - coat, because she lives. yes, yes, my favorite bags. yes, yes, yes, your clothes also left only new ones. only she, she supports, did not give it to her, she kept saying that her homeless people were all the most

chic. but here, for example, elizabeth petrovna herself said such a thing. i'm pretty tough in general, i know how to say no, and whether i'm compassionate or not, but, probably, you shouldn't ask me. that is, this is also such an attempt, you know, a stroke to the portrait. that is, indeed. yes on the one hand, it's tough to give everything that is and literally the last shirt on the other hand, but in relation to what? ah, but you know, in order to help, you need not cry, but you need to do, and act tough, act clearly, here, but only then can you help? uh huh, because if you really see such troubles and circumstances that simply plunge you into stress-depression in tears. and this is a natural human reaction. this reaction must be overcome. if you really want to do something for people, because that's what it is . stress management. it certainly requires.