demonstrate to russia that it cannot count on the chinese surface? well, i think when we talk about the difference in interpretation, firstly, we must proceed from the fact that i think that president biden still understands that he is in indonesia and, let's say, not in india, and speaks precisely in sidepin, and not with some other people. but if that's the case, then i think things were a little different. that is, as it were, a conversation, probably, despite the fact that it is not mentioned specifically about nuclear weapons in chinese. eh, here's the message probably not some kind of denial or, there, a negative attitude towards the position of russia in general as a whole, it must be said that in answering your questions. we can say that china has absolutely no e no reason, but to put pressure on russia in the interests of america and yes, the americans. well, often now

their policy comes down. here's to the soviet principle, yes, what's yours, what's mine, what's mine, what's yours let's negotiate, such was a joke about the soviet negotiation style. but hmm, that is, they say first, that's how it was correctly said. uh dmitry vyacheslavovich at the beginning they are in all their documents, for example, e v. e. here is the national security strategy that was adopted, about a month ago, so they declare, uh, china as their main, well, the word is enemy no, well, the rival is right there. here i am almost quoting what is written that this is the only country that can uh and wants and has the potential to encroach on our leadership in the world. that is, uh, and we won't leave. uh, so let's not

leave the current international situation to the whim of those who don't love, who sort of undermine our values, that is, the us is clearly considered to be any alternative to american values ​​that they promote to the whole world. yes, they are strategists. a threat to america itself, even an existential threat to america alexander you just said one very important thing. i'm sure you will at least partly agree with my thesis that for the united states, this position is natural, because the united states is not just a country with national interests, but if you want a religious body where democracy is civil a religion from the united states to give up this attitude is to give up a very important

part of its ideology. not so you know, in principle, but in the usa yes, this attitude has always been and now maybe even declined the period of the period, and from the period of all these, uh, means religious refugees who came from europe but on the other side of one. it's one thing when you believe that your values ​​are the highest, in general, it's natural for all societies and another thing. kind of like when you're going or want to impose them around the world as a model. yes, and sometimes by military means in the united states there were completely different politicians. you remember president adams, i think he wasn't the president of this jr. adams, if i remember correctly. yes, he said, he is a monument in the american, he said that we have exemplary values, i repeat, yes, and in

our values, of course, the greatest are the best, but never, god forbid, make us impose them on others . yes, because we can only act as an example for others now the situation has completely changed. now here in these documents, about which i spoke. it says directly that we must fight for our leadership in the world. well, physical leadership, so to speak, and uh, that's of course a completely different policy. this is a different policy and an ideological policy. and the ideology. here it is closely connected with strategic interests. yes on the one hand, undermining the american ideology. uh, by creating alternatives to it, you thereby from an american point of view. threaten their safety, and on the other parties, undermining security. you seem to undermine the ideology too dmitry i really liked your metaphor of the united states

as a religious muzzle. this is true, but you know very well russia in its history fought a lot with religious orders and inflicted very serious defeats on them, the teutonic, livonian, and so on. and this is what unites russia and china . this is something that is absolute for us. it is acceptable for such a religious order to dominate the world and the fundamental interests of russia and china is to form such an international system in which the united states will play the role of a normal great power within the framework of a multipolar world will become one of the a, as for the aspect that he was touched upon regarding nuclear weapons and policy towards ukraine, in fact , the cdp not only did not join and you quite rightly said, but to the way they interpreted in the white house, and the course of the negotiations, but china was even criticized, the united states for that position, naturally allegorically, but nevertheless less criticized for the position that the

united states takes regarding the ukrainian conflict. let's hear what else the chinese ministry of foreign affairs said during this cdp summit, china has always been on the side of peace and will continue to call for the resumption of peace talks between russia and ukraine, relying on the united states, nato and the european union to conduct comprehensive dialogue with russia this is dmitry, it seems to me just a clear, a clear defense of china of the russian point of the russian approach to the settlement of the ukrainian conflict and even to interaction with the west, which really should, ah, resume full-scale interaction with russia in uh, but still the main subject, and negotiations between this song and e biden today were not only not so much ukrainian crisis. how much in general are the relations between the usa and uh, china uh, between which

there are fundamental contradictions, and here, according to a very prominent authoritative one, can be the most authoritative today, huh? expert a sinologist in the west - you are probably him, you know the former prime minister of australia kevin is glad, so he thinks that the contradiction is so fundamental that it is impossible to talk about improvement, and in principle, it is impossible to talk about us-china relations, but at most o how can you say this, and not the assumption of a third world war. here, listen to what kevin is happy to write. china and the united states are in a state of strategic competition over who will become the world's leading power by the middle of the century. although the future of taiwan is an important more confrontation is at stake. than simply achieving the prc's long-term goal of unifying the country. china seeks to build a

new world order that is not based on american, but on chinese power, and which is more reflective of national interests and values. beijing needless to say that the us does not intend to give up its positions. the main question of the summit is whether biden and xi can agree to stabilize america on china 's relations, which are becoming more and more confrontational. if they can't, then in the future the relationship between washington and beijing, the current state, which i call unmanaged strategic competition, will become even more destabilizing, but if they do decide. to stabilize relations, the next task is to determine ways to achieve such stability, in particular, it should be established how to develop the measures necessary to reduce the risk of an accidental war in the future alexander vladimirovich well, there was a summit between the canoes and the seat. how are you do you think? did they

manage to at least get close to stabilizing relations on this, or will they continue like uh, kemin wrote, happy to develop in accordance with the model of unmanaged confrontation. well, i know well, kevin is happy, i talked to him several times. not only am i a very interesting person about politics, but the fact is that here i slightly disagree with him. here he says that the reason for these contradictions between the united states and china is the struggle for leadership in the world, but in fact it’s not quite like that the united states, or rather, as they consider it to preserve their own. derbstvo recently passed the 20th congress of the cpc and in the documents. there, we also see very well that china is not fighting for leadership. in the sense that in order to replace the usa as the only leader of the world, it just says the usa uh what, china would like there uh by the middle of this century to become the leading

power, but not the leading one in the sense that the only leader, but to become one of the the leading powers of the world, as he believes in china, as it was for most of history, there are several thousand years, and then came a century of humiliation. yes, here is the colonial floor of the colonial period. this is the middle of the 19th - the middle of the 20th century. and now here is the communist party. she is restoring such historical justice, that is, the struggle on the american side is going against it, as i already said. a threat from china, but a threat why is china also, in fact, a large country? yes, which cat is not built on american princes. here the emergence of any such country for the united states is considered a threat. uh, sittin' belly, just in time

time for this conversation. uh, what happened to them with biden, he just said an interesting phrase that the world is big enough for both america and china to exist in it, that is, they agree. they will not fight for leadership with america, they say, well, we let you live and you let us live here is such a slightly different vision of the world, but because of this american, how is it? how did you say it right? such a semi-religious position, yes, uh, it's actually a struggle. well, in my opinion, it has already turned into a cold war. after all what is cold war. it's like a very tough confrontation, provided that, er, some mechanism is preserved. so, not bringing it to a hot war, some kind of agreement between uh, china and the

united states, of course. perhaps some. there is the development of some kind of mechanism, not bringing the war to a hot one, yes, both in the military sphere and possible in the commercial economic sphere. after all, china and the united states are the largest trading powers in the world and the largest trading partners. they need to talk about something, but according to the strategic vision of the world, mr. raz really says correctly, so he really is so opposed. there are positions that there is, in general, nothing to talk about . if one says that i will strangle you, and the road says let us live in peace, then it is, in general, difficult to finish. there is no reason why there is something to talk about, uh, that's exactly what russia and the united states are talking about now - this is the prevention of a direct military clash. that is, their approaches to the world order are fundamentally opposite, but neither side wants a third world war and nuclear war. and exactly this

is now being consulted, and naryshkin and bill burns in ankara before that, and patrushev and sullivan apparently, dmitry is online and so i would like to ask you about the subject of russian american interaction and the prospects for the policy of the united states in regarding ukraine , it is constantly stated at the official level that the united states does not discuss substances in any way. yu of a possible policy of a diplomatic settlement, they say everything should be decided by ukraine but in reality. here is how the wall street journal writes, for example, and it is stated that during the recent visit of the same jake sallion, a to kiev , he called on zelensky to be more realistic about the prospects for negotiations with russia and, in particular, to abandon crimea from claims to crimea, which already suggests that the united states

is putting pressure on ukraine not only on the very fact of possible negotiations with russia, but also on the possible parameters of a final settlement. here's how you can comment on it. dmitri, well first of all, uh, how to say it. uh, the idea that you can't negotiate about ukraine without ukraine, and what in general? uh, ukraine should, uh, give its approval in advance to any american negotiations. this is, of course, a very interesting idea, you have to be a complete idiot to take this position literally for one simple reason. for one simple reason, here you are i know both are great bosses in their scientific field. you must have some assistants to the deputy assistants. well, just imagine. did you call them ? we talked intelligently with them. they

understood what position they should take, if they want, well, not that you will definitely fire them immediately, but if they want to get a promotion, that is, they are not completely fools, they will understand what is expected of them correctly, and then, as it were , uh, another delegation is coming, here is ivan ivanovich here is pyotr sidorovich yes, how can we do something without their consent? well, it turns out that ivan ivanovich petr sidorovich absolutely agrees that without them nothing can be stolen. well, somehow it turns out that they they say, then, well, what is expected is let's say, so such a position is such a situation, and it is known, by the way, in any country. i don't have anything out of the ordinary. but as soon as the administration enters the war. this is absurd. they say that without ukraine it is impossible to speak from ukraine, you can speak, because

there are questions. which are not for ukraine but only for dual-core firewood. and it's very interesting what we just discussed. uh, alexander spoke very interestingly, uh, and you spoke to dmitry about how they coincided with the statements chinese american sides on nuclear weapons. it is interesting that for the american delegation. it was an initiative. do not see ukraine, not chinese, and for sure, the american delegation to discuss this topic. it is obvious that the united states is seriously considering the possibility of a nuclear escalation, but ukraine and we know that there have been talks by jack sallin , biden's national security adviser, as reported in the press by president putin 's foreign affairs aide, ambassador yuri ushakov, and security council secretary nikolai

patrushev, if, as reported by the western press, the main idea of ​​​​bill bers was to inform the next threats from washington if russia uses nuclear weapons, then in general it would be more correct to discuss this topic, of course, with people directly connected with the president and having broader powers , they are with sergei naryshkin, who is responsible for a very important service. well, after all, this is a service that provides information analysis, and does not seem to play a big role, leading relatives of political religions. so why did you need to talk? since sergey naryvkin's hypothesis, this is my hypothesis. this is unofficial information from one country or another, but my hypothesis stands there that washington is truly concerned about the possibility of a nuclear escalation in ukraine, not because russia

is threatening or because russia has taken any specific steps. eh, mr. ben himself spoke recently that they did not see such steps on the part of russia in the american separation services. she does not see what is happening in ukraine , they know that russia has nuclear weapons, and not only strategic, but also tactical, which can be applied to more moderate purposes. they also know that the united states has had a doctrine for decades about using tactical nuclear weapons if your conventional forces are in a vulnerable position and that's about it. you see what i think are real signs of american concern. that's the prospect of such an escalation said i'm fucking. i approve of this,

not only because it is clearly good for russia because it is to some extent, but if you want an element of equalizing the possibilities of the two sides, and this happens without russia rattling its weapons and it can be accused of some kind of aggressive intentions, the initiative of these discussions falls on the american side. well, then you repeatedly talked about this dmitry , even if, even if the possibility of nuclear escalation is minimal, the consequences can be so serious that if moscow and washington need to talk about something, what exactly is it about and that washington has such preoccupation the fact that they are ready to talk about this with russia in different formats. she has different levels. i think that this is encouraging, as well as the intention of the united states of russia to hold a joint 200th meeting. meetings of the joint

bilateral commission for the implementation of the start-3 treaty, and dmitry, you and i, uh, have repeatedly said at this table that uh after the proposed formation of a new congress with a republican majority. the lower house of representatives will pursue a tougher policy regarding the allocation of money for ukraine, at least, is more and more determined not by requirements, but by bureaucratic procedures. but now, and we were talking about this in the context of when it was supposed that there would be a great red wave, when the republicans would win a serious victory in the midterm elections, which did not happen, and this weekend it turned out that the republicans will not manage to become a majority in the senate, and in house of representatives, uh, the difference between the number of republican and democratic votes is decreasing and the talks have already begun. what maybe and even a miracle will happen and the democrats

will be able to maintain their majority. here in this context. what do you think, what are the prospects after all, and the allocation of new money from the united states to ukraine next year did not lead such results of the midterm elections to greater self-confidence, i would say the white house and me and joe biden personally. well, a large amount of confidence is already evident, because although until the last moment almost the very last moment there was no expectation that the republicans would take over control over the senate. here are the most recent 2 weeks as a result of polls favoring the republicans. uh, some republican legislators got dizzy with success and became confident predicting that they would conquer us. this, of course, was a big mistake. they didn’t even believe in it, then from the point of view. as if it were a political

strategy, you should always underestimate they exaggerate their possibilities, because then it will be easier for you to proclaim victory later. uh, what happened to the senate. this is in general quite predictably, and i've said several times around this table that i wouldn't be surprised if the democrats not only retain control of the senate. well, maybe even a little, uh, increase your presence. it was not my own unique wisdom. is that what you could find in the american press? i repeat so far for the last 2 weeks and the vertigo of success has begun, as far as the house of representatives is concerned, it's a different picture everyone was sure i am, of course, too, that the republicans will seize control of the house. it's still most likely to happen, if it doesn't happen, which is probably not likely, then it

will be three in a byte or the democrats, and i don't know if the republicans will have to make excuses for jafs, a tail and engage in internal squabbles. e. well, of course, they will not have the ability to control then. uh, the administration war on biden politics in ukraine. if control of the house, it will still go to the republicans. so how many votes they will, uh, it's less important to have, simply because it doesn't matter. the room will nobody expected a consensus that ukraine should be supported, neither you, nor i, nor our guests are far away, that the american congress, even if the republicans control one chamber there, will refuse to support ukraine we talked about something else, that this support may cease blind? uh-huh absolute that they will watch how this money is spent. well, they start talking. but if we

give 19 billion dollars for a military purpose to ukraine at the expense of what are we doing this? it's just an american printing press, this is how it works or we take away money from other american priorities. if the republicans take control of the house, i think that such investigations they will take place, and that such investigations. this is already my assumption that they will inevitably affect the scale of american support for ukraine, because ukraine is the way it lives today. since it works today, but this is not that democratic but effective a and private country, but which the bidens are trying to represent in the administration, of course, in the government zelensky therefore, i believe that any critical analysis of what is happening in ukraine is inevitable.

let them immediately let them not be dramatic, but will inevitably lead to a reduction in american support for kiev, but i repeat. this is only if the republics. kansy will seize control of the house of representatives thank you dmitry dmitry and alexander vladimirovich thank you very much for this interesting conversation big game will return to the studio in a few days. two undefeated boxers alexey egorov russia and arsene gulamiren france a fight that has been awaited for a whole year the fight for the world title live broadcast from france on november 19 on

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biden presidency and after the twentieth congress, especially the chinese communist party, but also taking into account, but the confrontation in which now these two major superpowers are involved. and, uh, kevin is happy, the former prime minister of australia who, in the statement i quoted before the break, believes that despite all the fundamental contradictions that now exist between china and the united states, nevertheless, both sides. we came to this summit with the understanding that neither side can occupy a superior position, and therefore both sides. actually interested in stabilizing this confrontation in some. promissions and in some confrontational, but still peaceful modusvite, here, listen to another quote from keramirat. at the bali summit, neither side believes it has a decisive edge. because of this, the parties

want to avoid the risk of an accidental war, since both the us and china believe that they can suffer defeat in it and that they need more time. the goal of the prc is to achieve an overwhelming military and technological advantage, as well as an acceptable level of economic sustainability such under which china could stand against any future western sanctions in response to the military operation in taiwan, beijing also seeks to split the western countries, especially european states, over the issue of taiwan and economic sanctions in the event of a potential conflict between the us and china. as for the us, they need time to increase their capacity to prevent a chinese attack . . to taiwan by strengthening partnerships with allies and enhancing defense capability. taipei, this creates an opportunity for the formation of what is called a ruled country. competition, as opposed to dangerous uncontrolled competition

currently observed, such a concept can bring mutual benefits stabilize relations that are currently going in a downward spiral and reduce the likelihood of an accidental war at a time when neither side wants to take such a risk yuri vladimirovich do you agree with this analysis that china is interested in the same as the united states is interested in waiting to gain time, and if not aggravate the situation, the ratio of the united states. and if so, then china is actually also interested in stabilizing the confrontation, and has been to identify here the red lines, while confronting the rivalry, but still not moving to a straight line. uh direct collision. i find kevin's analysis pleased. by the way, he is a sinologist who knows chinese very well, one of the few leaders of the country who is considered to be chinese, he absolutely arranged everything correctly. and i think that it’s not china, not america that

absolutely doesn’t want war among themselves, this is how china is not going to fight with anyone at all, because its goal is absolutely clear and the thirty-fifth year. completion of socialist modernization and the forty- ninth year china becomes a great world power, it needs peace, and in america, america also does not want war with china, because the whale has an atomic bomb, the whale has hypersonic missiles. ah, china has a billion 400 million people. and what does america want to push china into a pit called the war in taiwan but the chinese have been watching what is happening on the western front of the cold war for several months, and they will not fall for american provocations. eh, what if only they weren't. hmm. and tough arrogant, if they come there

, a new chapter, uh, the house of representatives instead of pilosia. this means that again a demonstration of chinese military power will be arranged, but again there will be no war, maybe the only one. uh, if the taiwanese authorities proclaim sovereignty, if the americans manage to recruit some kamikaze group that, uh, proclaim this very uh, independence , sovereignty, well, then there will be no chinese landings, bomber, there will be no taiwanese cities there will be an economic blockade chinese. this has already been shown in practice after the visit to the pilose. in addition, i think that there will actually be people in taiwan. who, in the interests of their

island, their business, their military service, will be able to put things in order in their house. i think this one, uh, is hanging. to some extent you know hmm a birthday present? president upadinu, you know that on the twentieth of this month he will be 80 years old, and xi jinping and biden, they are not exactly old friends, but they are old acquaintances. in the eleventh year, xi jinping vice president, well already the heir to the throne showed his country to vice president biden, a in the twelfth year. on the eve of the transformation of the head of the leader of the chinese nation into secretary general, he drove the sizen across america and to the

state of iowa why the state of iowa, because even when finn was still a novice political child under one of the programs of the state department, he came to this, er, state and was a guest. uh was a guest. eh, a farmer. look, it's only been a few years. yes, men go somewhere together, eat somewhere, drink somewhere. everything is fine. uh, at this time the daughter with dolphin is studying in the garage. true under a different name will learn. yes, it's all right. and how everything can be changed, how everything can be dirty, it started again recently in the eighteenth year, when trump introduced all these sanctions and did not cancel the expelled. e, he is nothing more than that, he first sanctioned against. well, at first it was limited, then it became an

economic trade war. china's bullying of the hong kong coronavirus and so on and so forth. that is, in negotiations, usually, as they ask, i will do it, you will do it. and what, in fact, can the chinese do in order to stop this cold war, they are the inactive side, the americans must correct their mistakes, and then it will be possible to talk about some kind of normalization before this follows without perspective, and i agree with kevin grad, but i agree with you. we're really glad of you, but especially with you with all the difference between , uh, russian-us relations and china-us relations. despite the difference in the role in the world that russia and china play in economic terms, after all, china is the first economy in the world in terms of purchasing power parity. american policy towards china is in many ways similar to the policy of the united

states towards e russia, and the same rivalry is confrontation, but without going over to a direct military clash. here, pay attention already after meeting with the children, and the canoe made it very clear that the united states did not refuse from the confrontation with china in any way, but at the same time they would not allow it. at least try not here not here to allow direct military confrontation, listen president biden explained that the united states will continue to actively compete with the prc by making profitable investments at home, as well as by joining forces with allies and partners around the world. he reiterated that this rivalry must not escalate into conflict and stressed that the united states and china must compete responsibly and keep channels of communication open. well, also, uh, joe biden made it clear that he wants to cooperate with china

in areas where it is beneficial to the connected states, listen president biden stressed that the united states and china must work together to address transnational issues such as climate change, global macroeconomic stability, including interest rate cuts. health security and global food security. this is what the international community of two leaders expects. we agreed to instruct key senior officials to maintain communication and deepen constructive efforts on these and other issues. now. same almost exactly the same as the us policy towards russia, we will introduce a hybrid war, but we are not a party to the conflict, so let's discuss minimization, risks, horizontal vertical escalation, and so on, we are waging a hybrid war, but at the same time we can interact under an agreement with 23, where here we have we have common approaches, so to speak, and with china, this is a climate economy and another. uh, other

questions. yes, in washington they call it walking and chewing gum at the same time. but the fact is that well, different formulations. they are slightly different the wording that was used in our address, or as you rightly said, the wording that is used in the chinese address, but the essence behind this is the same the united states wants, but to retain the position of the helmsman , the position of the one who determines the main parameters of relations determines what is an acceptable confrontation, what is an unacceptable confrontation, what can be done? what can not be done this is supposedly competition, but this is already an unacceptable confrontation. that is, they try to follow themselves, uh, to maintain a position, and a hegemon, but in relations with china, not one that simply indicates demands and forces well, the position of one that, as it were , steers, and china must

adapt to this, uh, to this. i think that in this sense, i'm not quite. i agree with the analysis that was presented here by the former prime minister of australia, a gift from the former prime minister of australia, because it is for the sake of the united states. he is trying to present this as an equal deal, saying that no one wants a confrontation, so america will be in charge. well and you play within the framework of these rules, as i see it as a strategic task. china is to acquire full, uh, strategic autonomy to do what china needs, this does not mean a confrontation with the united states. but this does not mean submission to themes. uh, this is how the americans say in narrative to ideological conceptual constructions and so on, to the rules of the game that they are trying to set, the united states and the

united states wants to drive. china in some, and in some kind of framework and central here in one way or another different. the film is, of course, a taiwanese issue. i probably agree that neither side wants a direct war over taiwan. especially among themselves wars over taiwan. but on the other hand, what kind of united states wants to consolidate the situation? here, as far as i understand, what would be for them to maintain a hygienic position in china's relations, er, s. china is a demonstration to the whole world that china cannot reunite with taiwan, and therefore they pump it up, it seems they say that well, this is not an independent state, we recognize it, but continue the policy of one china what does this mean? this means china should reunite with taiwan so china thinks and america thinks it means the status quo what does that mean? you

will never receive it. yes, it is an independent state, but we pump it up with weapons. we are actually creating alliances that will not give you. you don’t have it, and this is a demonstration to the whole world that no matter how powerful china is, no matter how powerful it is, no matter how it looks like there, it will not be able to return this taiwan and this is a demonstration the fact that china is not fully sovereign independent and is not able to independently solve its security problems, but only act through some kind of negotiations with america. i think that china's task is not to fall into such a position. and the task of the united states is to drive it into such a position, and in this sense, this is not the balance of fear and cooperation that rad spoke about. and this is the game. uh, when the united states tries to push china into a certain frame, yes, softer than before, but still within a certain

framed to demonstrate what he can't do? what he considers his strategic task. the tasks of the current generation, and china is trying to acquire such a field for maneuver so as not to fall into this strategic one. uh, well, here's the trap that's building. um, united states i think there's a whole lot of maneuvering going on around that, so it's not a matter of peer-to-peer arrangements. and this is a question of the fact that the united states is trying to consolidate its hegemony, although others use a little bit of means, and china is being fundamentally torn out of it due to the fact that equal relations for the united states is impossible. in principle, this contradicts their nature, their ideology, their history and that very a and that very identity of the united states as a religious order, which i spoke about here. uh, dimitri simes. i would say that just what the united states considers an equal relationship, no one else in the world considers

an equal relationship, the truth for the united states is an equal relationship. when with them all voluntarily agree. i remember bob kegin, uh in 2003 wrote an article about the united states invasion of iraq american multilateralism. that is, what the whole world perceived as, in fact, the highest manifestation of american one-sidedness. they called it american multilateralism. well, uh, i want to touch on the economic topic a little . now, when a bayton says that it doesn't matter, despite all the contradictions, despite taiwan, the united states and china should say should maintain a relationship of cooperation, he means that still trade economic interdependence between them is very large, both countries are how to consider the number one country and the number two side, and in the world economic hierarchy and so on, but i remember we were taught at one time that economic

interdependence stabilizes political relations economic interdependence between the united states and china still. it remains very large. they are the main well for europe china, uh, the main trading partner, but nevertheless, economic relations between the us and china are still very intensively. why isn't political stabilization happening so, uh, does economic interdependence still have a stabilizing effect on politics? you know , there is such a very simple form, and what is the modern economy in american americans make money by selling each other's houses, uh with money borrowed from china ahem, that's all, look, when america understands what to balance uh own deficit, uh trade balance and current account can only be

surplus, there is also a circulation of money, when china accumulates dollars and these dollars return to the american financial system. then everything works fine, then the duty. uh, with 31.5 trillion dollars, it's fine, because there will always be a turnover of money, it will always work. and america is the largest market and is not going anywhere. not china or europe because america really buys. they have so many that they will not find such a market anywhere else. yes, their industry will not be needed and jobs. this amount is needed were american will disappear. yes, therefore, there is a dependence, but a problem. it's one thing when there is a balance, and another thing, when the americans proclaim that economic dependence will be a weapon, and they invite it very clearly, when the dollar is put like a

weapon. yes, we see negative processes associated with arrests of accounts and parallel processes associated with grandfather's excision. uh-huh yes, because as soon as trump started a trade war. here, since the eighteenth year, already 61%, well, this is the data of last year, the external trade turnover. china with neighboring sufferings goes through the yuan no longer through debt, and so on and uh, the volume of dollars in the central banks of the world is already 59%, and not more than sixty there, as it was literally 2 years ago. that is, here it is, depending on, there are technologies that are the most terrible for everyone, because the world is now looking at this is what you yourself understand. uh, terrible dilemma. yes, you are either in one technology camp or in another technology camp. here the economist magazines are discussing the summit it gives the example of singapore which is absolutely completely dependent on american technology, but located next to china and in which case it will be

deprived of everything. if china will overturn these chains. nobody understands what to do with this addiction, so let's see. uh, whose strategy is better sun tzu or leo strauss well, uh, you rightly pointed out the issue of technology, indeed the united states is waging a technology war against china, a chip war , a semiconductor war, and so on, first of all, the blow is on technology and it is in technology, the united states most implement the strategy. the so-called decoupling uncoupling breeding, and break the technological production chains. and now the director of the international monetary fund. krestonina. georgieva, e, is sounding the alarm, but that this disconnect and the general intensification of confrontation between e, the united states and china will inevitably, in her opinion, plunge the world economy into a colossal economic crisis. do you agree with this? yes, remember, nekrasov's chain broke up

the great chain broke up and hit the ram with one end other men, of course, but when the whole world will crumble into these different zones. when e here now the covid showed that how much does it cost to break the chains of 30 trillion dollars, it cost the whole world. here is the break. and imagine, if this is not temporary, a gap, but a permanent gap. like uh, what will happen to the world economy, it can no longer withstand the second such blow, so that a full-fledged crisis. uh, a short note here is the economic relationship between countries, not always hinders the war between them. let's remember before the second world war. what were the economic relations between germany and england on the eve of world war i and world war ii? yes , what were the economic relations on the eve of world war ii between the soviet union and germany, and this did not stop the germans. yes, and as for

all these current chains of ties, look from both sides and the americans and the chinese, they are actively being torn apart by china, this concept of two circulations, dependence on foreign trade is being reduced. in general, this is america first of all rapidly ramping up its technological efforts, and so on and so forth. so, uh, i 'm afraid it's still going on. uh, to separation or divorce. here's the deepening. i think this is a matter of several years. i agree. but this also increases the risks. uh, the risks are rising , including a military clash between uh, the united states and china, and apparently. today's summer showed that, well, at least neither side wants to allow uncontrolled escalations and unintentional military clashes, but that however, very serious problems remain, including with regard to taiwan, this topic has already been touched upon.

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general partner of the russian premier league big game and we continue to discuss the xi jinping and joe biden summit that took place today in bali, the most pressing issue in us-china relations is definitely the taiwan issue. he, too, was discussed today, of course, and that's what a about taiwan ah. during these negotiations said joe biden in the summary of the official white house press release, listen the president expressed concern about the actions of the prc in xinjiang tibet and hong kong also in relation to human rights in general, regarding taiwan he detailed that the policy of one china has not changed, the united states speaks against any

unilateral change in the status quo by either side and the international community is interested in maintaining peace and stability in the taiwan strait for president. biden. voiced an objection washington against china's coercive and increasingly aggressive actions against taiwan that undermine peace and stability in the taiwan strait and in the region. in general, global prosperity has become a threat yuri vladimirovich well , really connected.