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good evening, the big game is on the air, the most pressing topic of today was the story of the ukrainian missile strike on the territory of poland, the town of pshebadow, which is 8 km from the polish-ukrainian border, the russian ministry of defense last night, as soon as the polish media began to report the abycidente, said that moscow has nothing to do with this , and today the russian ministry of defense indicated that according to the photographs, the wreckage was identified as a ukrainian s-300 missile. so in fact, it turned out to be true, and today it was most likely confirmed by the united states and nato and poland itself. well, this afternoon it was very hot and sleepless. in the literal sense of the word, the crisis of anzhi and duda, uh, spoke on the phone with joe biden jens stolklg. rishi sunak vladimir zelensky joe biden himself,

in addition to the duma, spoke. uh, in addition to andrzej, duda speaks with toltenberg. and so on russian the ambassador was summoned to the polish foreign ministry right at night. in a word. everyone was alarmed in earnest, because immediately in the western media they started talking about the fact that it was russia that allegedly launched a deliberate or unintentional missile attack on poland against a nato country, and some countries, primarily ukraine and the baltic countries, started talking about it officially without any evidence investigations. they simply accused russia of striking a nato country; the question arose of activating the fourth article of the north atlantic treaty, which speaks of holding consultations in the event of a threat to a nato member country, a meeting of the north atlantic council was scheduled for today. well, in the end, the crisis passed already in the morning from the united states , there were reports that the strike was unintentional and was probably inflicted by ukrainian air defense, but then joe biden and jens stoltenberg and

andrzej duda himself said this, respectively, there are no grounds for using the fourth article of the nato charter and in the evening, finally, kiev was forced to admit that it allegedly tried to intercept the russian rocket in the time period and not far from the place where this incident actually occurred. true, volodymyr zelensky continues to insist on innocence. kiev, here we will discuss this incident and the prospects for russian western relations in general with the president of the center of national interests. dmitry salsom dmitry good evening. good evening. dmitry well, it would seem that this night incident is settled. here the sediment remained and the sediment is enough. i would say e thick. that's just white tonight the house made an official statement in which he stated that the united states places all responsibility for this missile incident on russia, regardless of what the results of the investigation will be, which will most likely

prove that this is after all a ukrainian air defense missile , here is how you can comment a similar position. well, in general, the position is very logical. uh, in the sense that if something had not happened before, then this event probably happened to me, and the white house only wants to look at history. that's all this crisis with the american point of view and the crisis began with a russian special operation. so it's a special operation. she calls it unprovoked in america. but i think you will agree that in moscow they definitely will not agree with this assessment, because they believe that it was provoked by the actions of the united states, the actions of the names of nato and, of course, of ukraine itself and, like, were categorically. rejected. uh, the russian proposals of december, and 21 years, which concerned,

including ukraine's membership in nato, and i think that if these proposals. i didn't even say were accepted, if on the basis of these proposals they agreed to start serious negotiations in washington, then there would be no special operation . this is my personal point of view, but i think, talk to me with many people in moscow , i think i can say this with confidence dmitry i am with you completely. if that's the case, if that's the case, if that's the case, then we can probably say that, uh, the responsibility of someone dragged ukraine into nato suggestions. and then let's just say that moscow is to blame and washington is to blame. by the way, that's when there was a story with a malaysian plane. if you remember, uh, the position was taken that this

plane, a, was, uh, shot down by russia and love, more precisely, uh, units associated with russia in the donbass russian categorically denied. i have always asked the question. and let's say, if the separatists really beat this plane, i really don't have the slightest reason to say that it was so. well, let's say. after all, they this would not have been done if ukraine had not committed, there would have been no coup d'état in kiev if the ukrainian units had not been sent, donbass to suppress the local liberation movement, and most importantly, if kiev had not used its aviation several times against its citizens, but at that time, absolutely no one in washington

came up with such logic and all the responsibility was offered to russia. so it seems to me that there should be a little more consequences, uh, consistently, and i don’t want to say that there should be the same criteria in relation to friends, like ukraine and adversaries, like russia, but still, some element, some element, logic, some element of one approach, but it must be preserved. if you want your rules, e not just proclaimed by you, but at least to some extent observed by other great powers. and dmitry cannot but agree with you, of course, from the russian point of view, this position, which he proclaimed at home, is a shielding attempt to shield. e. ukraine attempt artificial relieve her of responsibility. although this is a personal responsibility. yes, but as for who created the prerequisites? of course, we can say that there would not have been such a mini-crisis if

poland had not been a nato country, and who insisted on nato expansion and poland's entry into nato back in 1995, the ninety-ninth year 1995 did not put the president on the wanted list because he killed. innocent girl ukrainian terrorist act, of course, you know who i'm talking about about daria dudin. yes , of course, of course, ukraine, uh, would never has done. this is so if she did not use such an american, and we do not know, uh, that any steps were taken by the united states to punish those in kiev who are responsible for this crime. you know, this is the logic when it’s not the one who did it, but the hunting of the events that led to this, it’s very, very dangerous, very dangerous , hitler can be justified by this logic, because there was an unfair and sea world, of course,

but you've touched on the fundamental issue that we're keeping track of this crisis of completely different problems and from different dates, and russia actually reprimands this crisis of 2014, when the united states supported the illegal bloody state. in kiev, they tried to draw ukraine into nato , in fact, even earlier, when ukraine was promised joining nato in 90 in 2008, and the united states believes that everything was fine, but then it deteriorated sharply, for some reason on february 24 of this year , but even regardless of who is right and who is wrong, although from the russian point of view the answer to this question is obvious. here it seems to me that this incident was a very important reminder of the escalation risks we face today. but because pay attention immediately the first reaction of poland and several other countries of central eastern europe is to blame. russia was immediately put officially question. and

duda called toltenberg about this, and thank god for the activation of the fourth article of nato, god is not the fifth, but the fourth article is also an article that implies a military threat against one of the member countries. and then dmitry imagine that this ukrainian missile would have hit not a tractor in a rural area, but some military facility yes, let's say, connected with the infrastructure that is used to support ukraine, what would be the reaction of the collective west of poland then? the united states in its own way, and emotional intensity in its content, and so on. this seems to me to be a very important proof and confirmation of the need for a channel for decanting between russia and the united states of russia and nato but, in general, the need to end the ukrainian conflict through a policy of

diplomatic, e, settlement. yes, because the continuation of this conflict, we see what it leads to. yes, this is a very very important signal . dmitry agrees. i think that the situation is extremely dangerous. you know dmitriev, which i have said many times. on our program, i believe that time is waiting for a perfect peace in ukraine is not yet achievable, but it is very important to bring this situation under control. so what? uh, some kind of truce that would be postponed. uh, the solution is more fundamental problems, it is desirable not only desirable, because people are suffering not only desirable, because it costs a lot of money to everyone, including russia, that it deals a big blow to the european economy and is bad for the american economy. well , simply, because we remember the history of the first world war and remember how no one expected it.

and in the balkans there were many crises of the austro-hungarian empire for a long time, if you like, climbed onto the server. well, in general, it seemed that the situation was quite stable in july, the fourteenth. for a year no one expected that a world war would follow. and so one terrorist was killed, with very little support in his country, he made an attempt on the exduke of the austro-hungarian empire, and what happened was what happened and, uh, almost all european monarchies were destroyed by england and france were bled and there was such great instability after the defeat of germany, which contributed to the outbreak of world war ii. and now it frightens me and i rarely use the expression frightens, because it always has some kind of negative meaning. well

there are some situations where, well, let's say , being scared, as it seems to me, is a healthy reaction option. it scares me that ukraine is headed by absolute responsibility. an inexperienced quarrelsome man who mixes the work of a comedian actor with statecraft, who sees himself as a world figure, which is obvious. i don’t know, we don’t believe it, but at least he portrays himself, well, some new churchill was made on a regional scale, and on the other hand, unlike the unsophisticated churchill, he constantly proceeds that he can get away with anything because the patrons won't allow him to be punished, but the patrons should have a greater sense of responsibility, because in the nuclear age, such behavior allows them to get away with

it. it seems to me that this is beyond irresponsibility dmitry. you just took my next question off your tongue because it seems to me that we see not just an actor at the head of the kiev regime. ah, but also a dangerous provocateur. today he acted as a very dangerous provocateur, because yes, tonight we are closer in total came to a horizontal escalation of the ukrainian conflict for all the time since february 24. and this incident. it seems to me that he showed very clearly who is who in world security and stability politics. here is the biden administration in terms of escalation risk prevention declaration. actually acted quite responsibly. this was even officially recognized in the kremlin today, because the biden administration refrained from emotional assessments and said that we must first investigate, and only then, and do findings. and in principle, here, but right away they somehow, well,

took a position that differs, let's say, from the position of ukraine and the countries of central eastern europe and the baltics, and radically different at that? and it was the united states that this morning began to give signals that, most likely, it worked ukrainian air defense. well, ukraine, it acted not just irresponsibly, it acted as a warmonger of a warmonger of a world war. she tried to draw the north atlantic alliance into a direct military clash with russia here. listen to what president of ukraine volodymyr zelensky said today, russian missiles strike later today, russian missiles hit poland, killing people. how many times has ukraine said that a terrorist state will not be limited to our country. poland baltic countries. it's only a matter of time before russian terror kicks off. next, you need to put the terrorist in his place. the further russia

feels impunity, the more threats there will be for everyone who can get russian missiles to drink missiles on nato territory this is russian missile attack on collective security. this is a very significant escalation. zelensky knew very well that he was lying when he said this, because even today the ukrainian ministry of defense. he admitted that yes, the ukrainian air defense worked. zelensky lied, they say that this is russia frankly, trying to drag nato into the war. mikhail podolak is his adviser. today she spoke again. the need to introduce a no-fly zone, which ukraine was once again denied and an amazing thing dmitry president baitan, today refuted president zelensky because president zelensky unequivocally said that it was russia president biden. today he said there is no evidence, and we believe that the system of the ukrainian region

of actors worked, but these are not actors. this is a provocateur , you know, you know a lot of actors, but you personally know enough of some, that’s why they ask my experience with actors, that they very often get used to the role and begin to sincerely believe sincerely believe in what they say, although they have every reason. so it's not that kind of person. good morning when he talked about the evil empire. he sincerely believed about all these terrible things connected with the soviet union, because he played these kinds of films when he was a trade union leader trade union leaders in america were ardent fighters against communism, and he came to the presidency absolutely sure that he was facing an evil empire. well, what was the

difference between mr. zelensky and mr. rein. it's that reagan was already big political experience, he tried two terms, uh, governor of california. he was already a major figure in the republican party, and he understood, based on his california experience, that if he wanted to govern effectively, he needed to surround himself with people with consciousnesses with experience that could help and who could help him, honestly not on a public platform. she tells the cabinet meetings in private conversations what is happening with such a group of advisers, such a support group at zelensky, he is surrounded by his team. and from the world entertainment, and therefore he is a very dangerous person, because he mixes reality with his

creative imagination dmitry well, i see very serious advisers, and surrounded by joe biden, and this is mark milli, who recently openly said that it would be necessary to move to politico-diplomatic regulation and jake sullivan a, who studied with such prominent american realists as, for example, alison, for example, and the former oni until now. um, i don't want to exaggerate their closeness, but they have regular contacts. i know that alison is far from always agrees, it seems to me, with jake salem, but always appreciates and respects him. so we see that this night and this morning the biden administration, again from the point of view of the military conflict, has taken a very responsible position. well, when the biden administration is faced with such provocations from its protege, we already told dmitry

that more than once the biden administration sent signals to zelensky that they did not approve of him in everything in the murder of daria dugina, there were signals. you there were signals of displeasure at the blowing up of the crimean bridge, and so on and so forth, there were signals about negotiations with russia. sullivan even went to kiev specifically to put pressure on zelensky, and then such a provocation that really was fraught with a direct military clash, in general, isn’t it time for the biden administration to rethink somehow its attitude towards zelensky and his team want to talk to you. e about one e very interesting woman. her name was dark and uh, i think he's playing exploratory now hot. ah, but if you remember her story, when she had some very successful operations against the english troops, she became a national

heroine in france and it was impossible to touch her political ones, but at the same time she could not be tolerated by the closest companions of the king and er, normal commanders who led their troops into battle, but who didn’t have such a heroic extravagant reputation, and this, of course, contributed to her demise, when the british kind of helped to capture her a little. and uh if you talk privately with people in the administration, there are a lot of people who are annoyed by zelensky and his entourage, because they are still not used to the fact that people who depend on america so much and get so much from america behave like that, if you want in a boorish way.

and the fact that he is really perceived as his person and i think that if he turns out to be no longer needed, a rather sad participation awaits him, because he does not create a real support group for himself in washington for except, of course, those, uh, who are really committed to ukraine. many of them are ethnic ukrainians. many of them are simply russophobes, but this is not a sufficient support group to build stable partnerships with the united states. dmitry you mentioned. eh, jeanne d'arc, we know perfectly well how she died. she was a very odious figure in medieval france, and without giving any parallels, but

a very odious figure in the modern united states is ex-president donald trump who is at his estate today. mara laga has already officially announced his candidacy for the presidential elections in the united states in the twenty-fourth year, while many in the republican party blame donald trump for the fact that her result in the midterm elections was. well, let's just say a little more modestly than expected. especially. uh, in the last few weeks and already a favorite from the outside, at least the elite of the republican party made exactly the desantis, and the governor of the state of florida who defeated uh, with a big rout. ah, so, what do you think, dmitry, will there be a split within the republican party now, or will donald trump make a knight's move and take the landing party with him as a candidate for vice president,

or will there still be a struggle between them, as it will be affect the positions of the republican party, in general, how this will affect biden's decision to go to the line, he has not yet announced formally, but about his decision, and finally, how this statement by donald trump today will influence american foreign policy. well , let's start with i don't know mr. airborne personally. well, i would be very surprised if he was considering the role at this stage. trump's vice presidential candidates, he has his own base of support, his results in the last elections in florida were very successful. i think he sees himself as the future republican nominee for, uh, 24 years old. and, of course, he sees himself as a future president. it's not guaranteed on it's quite realistic. another

conversation, if the primary elections in the republican party take place in 24, if trump manages to become a candidate, and from this position , the republican candidate, he will offer the role of vice president to the desantes, but again, i don’t know, personally desantes. i don't presume to predict, but generally speaking, given their age difference of about 35 years. ordinarily, as a much younger man, a promising politician, he would count for him. this is an interesting interesting proposal, because it would be a real step towards he became president is one reason why i think sans won't look for melee countries, but let's put it that way with trump. no need to look for melee

so that he retreated into it. and that, of course, the republicans would be very bad if they were to focus their fire on the democrats instead. they were engaged in dismantling your party, they helped. uh, trump to the republicans in this election. i think no. but because he helped in the primary election as a candidate, but if you like, more associated with him and more radical, which was understandably, it would be more difficult for them to win the general election as such a candidate, when they would depend not only on the republican base, but it is independent voters on the other hand. i don't want to exaggerate the republican defeat. if the republicans seem very likely to seize control of the house of representatives, then uh, i assure you that very soon, and they will be

tried and their leader, trump, will be tried. not later. how many seats they have taken in the house of representatives, they will take a lot, and they will be judged by to what they'll get there and if the republicans are in the house. will be able to start an effective investigation of the democrats, including a personal buyd, if they can block the biden budget of the biden program, including if they can block the blind support that the byte punishes ukraine then, i think, uh, what for a trump for a trump, it will be good, because he will be associated with this success of his party. so no, nothing is guaranteed for trump, but he is absolutely not written off into politics. he has real possibilities. well, i agree with you.

it seems to me that trump has put the republican party in a very difficult situation, largely hopeless, but because, objectively, according to all opinion polls, he remains the most popular with republican politicians, and his gap from the paratroopers is a multiple, but at the same time, the elite of the republican party really wanted to. take advantage of these midterm elections to get rid of trump, but this will not work, he has already officially announced his nomination. and if an intra-party strife starts now, if trump is against the republican party elite, then this will only weaken the position of the republican party. on the eve of the next election, so it seems to me that the republican party will be forced to accept that trump is their candidate and agree with his leadership of the party, but dimitri you touched on a very important topic, and many of the trump candidates that trump supported well, for example, mehmet oc, and in pennsylvania they had

trump's support. they were supported. well let's say the core core electorate of the gop, and so they pretty much uh won the intra-republican primaries, but they couldn't lead the moderate republicans. and even more so, do not nominate six independent candidates, because donald trump personally faces the same problem yes , he is supported by the majority of the republican voter, but trump's anti-rating is much higher than trump's rating, that is, many more people do not support him than they support him he certainly will not be able to lead the moderates. here is his nomination, does not it increase the chances of success of a democratic candidate, let 's say not thanks but in spite of it that's because trump is coming from the other side. dmitri i can't agree that he

won't be able to bring the moderates with him. he did it, many independent voters voted for him in the last midterm elections. who in the last presidential election he received more votes in the twentieth than he received in the sixteenth, and he greatly strengthened his position among the republicans among the latinos, which was not easy, and now trump uh, a radical extravagant person by nature, but he does not have a radical ideology. he is a very flexible person and focuses on what works for him and the positions that he occupied and occupies in order to cultivate his base, and the base in the republican party of people who almost have a cult trampled is not at all the positions that he will occupy if he became the republican candidate, er. for the general election, and as for russia, i will express my opinion about

trump, i know him a little and watched him a lot , all these years, and he spoke in 2016 in your center, just a foreign policy speech. it was his first external political speech, and they accuse us of my center and accuse me personally of having something to do with this speech, and our reaction to this is the same as that of iran regarding the supply of freebies to russia. and we do n't know anything about it. so that's what i want to tell you about the tractor, he is a very tough person when he compete with someone. he has a very island elbow. and he will do a lot to achieve victory and insist on his own. but if you do not have fundamental disagreements with him, then he will not fight against you, simply because he does not love

you, he will have to love you. he also came into business and knows how to portray such things and i uh, i think i have a strong impression that trump d does not see russia as the main enemy of the united states that for trump nato is an organization that he inherited, like the president. well, in general, he didn’t really need it, and he believed that such organizations. they should serve america's national interests, not the other way around. america must subordinate its politics. it is in the interests of supporting these organizations, so i think that with trump it would be very, very easy for russia to agree with him, and he is definitely not a russophobe, but when people have real russophobia, when they have sparks in their eyes, when urine hits them in the head, then you understand that no

rational proposals will work with them, but with trump might work. i would even say more dmitry. it seems to me that trump would never allow people like vladimir zelensky to determine american foreign policy and decide when, under what conditions, under what circumstances, to switch or not to switch to a policy of diplomatic regulation, despite the fact that national the security and survival of the united states because, as we said today, the risks of escalation are very high in any case, uh. you are absolutely right and i know that trump has always been very interested in nuclear weapons. and i don't think that he knows him in terms of doctrine or some technical points, but he did not always have a healthy respect, if i may, so to speak, for the colossal capabilities of the destructive capabilities of nuclear weapons. and for

him the fact that russia is a great nuclear power. this is not only an argument that, but america should have an appropriate arsenal for this argument, such a country should be taken seriously and not quarrel with it because of some minor questions dmitry thank you so much for this interesting conversation. oh, the big game will be back in the studio in a few minutes. good afternoon ladies and gentlemen. i'm sorry i'm out of breath, but it looks like 10-15 minutes ago there were tragedies in dallas that were specifically flagged without state approval. premiere of oliver stone's film how

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terms of irresponsibility or responsibility and danger or e security and , together with ukraine, an extremely irresponsible position, but the baltic countries took it, as well. it seems to me that sometimes washington, in principle, may even regret that they insisted on their inclusion in nato because yesterday and today, but in a fit, just crazy and even suicidal. and russophobia, and the leadership of the baltic countries also acted as instigators of the third world war. here. listen, before any investigations and trials. eh, said latvian defense minister artipabriks. my condolences to our polish brothers in arms the criminal russian regime fired rockets that not only target the civilian population of ukraine but also fell on nato territory in poland latvia completely

supports polish friends and condemns this crime. oh, and a similar statement was made by estonia a. estonia is ready to defend every five nato lands the slovak defense ministry said that russia's recklessness is getting out of hand. yes , these are all nato officials of the nato countries, despite the fact that, as it turned out, the rocket itself was ukrainian, and ivan alekseevich here. uh, a similar position of the baltic countries. and this is really an attempt to draw in. uh, nato in world war iii. uh, and in this case, they come first. target. by the way, or is it such a play on words in order to strengthen their own positions, how, under the wt states, to attract more attention to themselves, to achieve even more deployment of american troops and common nato infrastructure on their territory. well, that is, how would you take advantage of the situation in order to strengthen your

influence in terms of your position within the framework of the collective west. and i think that this is both, because this is not a contradictory task. and these countries think that they have, the more weight they have in the western coalition, which they are part of, and the more the more anti-russian tilt of the collective west will be. the more anti-russian themes they uh see for themselves, the more escalation, the more important they are as pre-front states. yes, i think they are completely consciously playing this game. they played this game and never joined nato, they propagandized all sorts of things, but allegedly the existing russian threat and then becoming members of nato, there was such a theory in the nineties, that they say, well, when they join nato they will calm down. they will already be a sub-nuclear umbrella. they are nothing calmed down. inside nato, they began to generate an anti-russian, uh, anti-russian position, often

even running ahead of the american locomotive and whining in every possible way, united states although, uh, the united states sometimes tries to pretend that this is what is pushing us. we are not responsible, which is also not true, because after all, it is the united states and american intelligence services that distribute the main strategic tasks within nato. but in this particular case, i'm not quite sure. it's clear why you poland enter beyond, because at first the polish representatives made more business exactly the same statements that it was supposedly a russian missile, that it was, uh, more inflicted, well, a blow, uh, it’s good, poland started talking about the fourth article. nato is about the need to activate the fourth article in the washington treaty, and so on and so forth, another thing is that when such a command was given because of the united states. stop.

poland obeyed unquestioningly, the baltic states also, uh, obeyed, but remained. uh, here, this is a pussy in which he speaks. well, how, how, how is it very clear, because they are absolutely extreme and in fact, it is not so important what this story is, because now we can say that there are two main versions, one version that it was technical a jamb from which the kiev regime and initially poland, the baltic and apparently behind-the-scenes britain, tried to inflate a provocation, but for a number of reasons apparently, because it all went badly and dali from washington lights out, another version is that a provocation was planned from the very beginning. i'm still leaning towards the first part of washington, yes. still, this cannot be ruled out. i'm leaning more towards the first version, but the second

version cannot be ruled out, which was planned as about vocation here, pay attention, because the day before. and what was a very interesting point in zelensky’s speech. and here, apparently, an appeal to the twenty, on which, by the way, he drew attention to this point as completely