dollars in order to restore the borders of ukraine according to the requirements of mr. zelensky, how can this be justified from the point of view of american national interests, it’s hard for me to imagine really dmitry i agree, and it will be increasingly difficult for the biden administration to continue its current course towards ukraine of support for ukraine while trying do not get involved in the third world war. at the same time, trying to still find money and strengthen the containment of china, especially in the context of an increasingly aggravated american domestic political fight. dmitry thank you very much. so, you know , dmitri churchill is credited with such a statement about america and that america always comes to the right decision? after she tries everything else, i have a feeling that america has not tried everything possible with regard to nato and ukraine, but my

hope is that america is close to this. and what can begin under the influence of a republican is a certain period of rejection, which can give us pleasant surprises. we had a lot unpleasant. i think we can. if i may say so, live the old pleasant. i hope and thank you very much. dmitry for this exceptionally interesting conversation. we'll be back at the studio in a few moments.

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rate of guarantee without surprises mail bank on the air the big game the united states is pursuing an information policy not only in relation to russia but also in relation to china which they call the main systemic and strategic challenge the only country that has not only the resources i want to change the world order. well, it means to overthrow the united states from its position as world leader. a and. a. here, at a recent meeting in bali, xi jinping and biden in the genus, as they tried to agree on red lines, to stabilize the confrontation, to improve relations. there was no talk, but it was about the fact that you, at least prevent unwanted and uncontrolled

escalations. and even more so the slide to a direct military clash. here, in fact, something very similar was discussed at the summit in geneva last year between biden and vladimir putin, where it was also about stabilizing the confrontation, as well. red lines, and they allow for unwanted escalation. just deja vu is so, and as stated by e, on the eve of chinese foreign minister wang yi, the pension network told president biden that china 's main red line is the taiwan issue. that the taiwan issue is the core of china's core interests and the foundation of sino-us relations, and the foundation of the

political foundation is the first, irresistible the red line in sino-us relations is that taiwan independence is incompatible with peace and stability on both sides of the taiwan strait. well, apparently, american policy towards both china and taiwan is not changing very much. just listen to what, and just this policy was announced this weekend by the secretary of defense of the united states, louis austin, speaking at a security forum in california, canada. autocrats can put out the flame of freedom china's military activity in the taiwan strait more and more of their aircraft are becoming more provocative. every day, it is in the airspace of taiwan more and more often, and chinese aircraft are moving into a dangerous approach between the aircraft of the us air force and our allies, including canadian aircraft that are legally in international airspace

over both the southern china and east china seas. this is worrisome and only highlights the need for cooperation with with our unrivaled network of allies and partners on both sides of the atlantic and the pacific, we are drawing lessons from the conflict in ukraine to bolster the defenses of our partners in the endo- pacific region to deter chinese aggression. but in general, it somehow doesn’t look like it really does look more like easing policy . breaking those red lines that marked the network. yes, you know, here’s the dialogue, uh, biden sidinping in bali, he looks like a decent soft one so loyal enough and the canoe has such a feeling, apparently, it turned out that he almost said so, e agreed on some of his principles, so to speak, in fact, and xi jinping. well, it seems to me that i applied the worked out strategy. uh, the ancient classic number one is to deceive

the emperor, because so that he swims across the sea, that is, how to show e to the enemy, so that someone opens his cards and achieves his goals, that is, of course, of course, china does not want the expansion of a frontal conflict, but he has his own strategic decoupling decoupling. it becomes volumetrically more contradictory voluminous more complex in terms of chip technology, and things at old tariffs, a very important one appeared on torgovy. you are right, of course, there has always been a taival moment, but taking into account the lower one. the cost of all these republican prospects will be aggravated. this is quite obvious, by the way, in juhai. this is an exhibition of the latest chinese weapons, such a message was sent, e by an american in the form of a test or display of a chinese hypersonic, and the latest missiles, and so on. all this together means that this the decoupling becomes voluminous with an external, as it were, formally prosperous situation. in fact, inside these contradictions, these cracks, these

splits, and not intensifying, are intensifying both along the military-strategic line and along the technological and energy lines. well, naturally, in taiwanese, this is the mainstream. this is the main line. moreover, well, we know that, uh, apparently, the future uh, speaker mccarthy, he is already there for a whole taiwanese program. designated almost so to say, which intertwine grandmother's visit was flying on taiwan when the house of representatives becomes speaker. this will absolutely unambiguously indicate that the united states, as it were, is moving more and more away from well the official position of one china and is interfering in the internal affairs of the people's republic of china under taiwanese protection, taiwanese democracy and other things we know. but you understand the most important thing, the main thing is that in fact, in the conditions of the aggravation of the ukrainian crisis, in the conditions of this entire escalation and a powerful global regional voltage. we see that it was on the top twenty, it was on the atc, it was partially visible before that, it was

in the east asian. and the summit, that is, this is the asian part with all its leading technological economic role. it is becoming more and more the main arena of this global sino-american confrontation in all major positions and in fact. here, uh, well, we know that washington, as it were, asianizes nato projects and others, and china creates its own program. and there is a strategic partner they have allied relations, but in my opinion this is a new form, as if the security system of regional east asia yes, and all over the world, indeed, the united states is pulling nato to counter china, uh, for the first time in its strategic concept this year in madrid again in madrid and nato stated that she views china a as a challenge to her interests and values ​​and you are absolutely right with the transition of the house of representatives and under the control of the republican party, us policy towards

china will become even more confrontational in addition to announcing his visit to taiwan, kevin mccarthy has already accused the biden administration of not opposing beijing enough. and that under the republicans, the house of representatives will not allow china to do what they are doing with america, and again, according to mccarthy, a special committee on china will be formed in the house of representatives and will, uh, investigate almost everything that they do. let 's include the origin of the issue uh coronavirus theft of intellectual property, uh, et cetera et cetera, ah and that means without weakening hybrid war on russia the united states is escalating confrontation with china and there is a discussion about whether the united states will pull up such a simultaneous confrontation escalation, what this will mean in practice for

american foreign policy. there are active discussions on this issue in the united states, and in particular, what a representative of the current american foreign policy mainstream wrote about this is very clear. uh, richard fanten is , uh, the head of the new american security center, who is very close to the administration. baidan, listen today, washington has decided that it is possible by default to compete with russia and china simultaneously and for an indefinite period, and if necessary, to resist both of them at once as a result, exactly how washington should exist in a world with two great powers as its antagonists is central us foreign policy issue to compete with china russia on every issue and wherever they are active is a direct path to the failure of this and no foreign policy is required, dealing with this dual challenge requires setting priorities and finding complex trade-offs between regions and issues ivanovich

well, in terms of this prioritization, and choice of priorities, fontaine is proposed to the united states. well, actually, to completely abandon the middle east, pay much less attention to africa there, other, uh, a secondary region, and focus entirely on china and russia, it is possible. does this sort of prioritization, and what would it mean for the united states leave in this regard from a significant part of the regions of the world? it seems to me that we are seeing time after time that american specialists publish more and more articles and materials in which the descriptive part is reasonable. they, in principle, say that we have made up something here. eh, somewhere in general such wilds climbed with some quarreled with

others quarreled. uh, it means, uh, this ukrainian conflict was unleashed a lot in the description, all this at the same time and all this together, and wonders if we have a plan. if it's just some here. eh means e. know how to all long-range initiative. this is the deep state and the different members of that deep state. every e, on his front, arranges some kind of mess and justice. what is it? what for? we 'll pull it, we won't pull it, but as soon as we move from the descriptive part to the resulting part, and even more so the recommendatory part, we hear something very strange that the most important thing does not arise that a can be given back to us. or maybe we should stop bullying everyone, maybe we should stop bullying at all anyone. maybe we should try to live

normally in this multipolar world. these are the ideas they don’t come until the american ones come, because they contradict the american messianic nature, because they contradict the american historical tradition to equate primacy and security, and perceive the absence of global primacy as a threat to security. you know, as in the old soviet joke. no, son, you will eat less. that's about the same. yes, they do the united states is about the same, and they have a psychological attitude that they can get out of any situation, that is, the question is just change priorities, solve a complex puzzle, but for now they don’t come. awareness of the most important thing here in the descriptive part of specific problems does not come much reasonable. awareness of the most important. they no longer rule the world. honestly, i must say that for some time now they have not ruled this world and russia and china and india and dozens of

middle powers. we played along with the united states. here we are, they puffed out their cheeks, they wanted to be the main ones, and we played along with them. we were actually allowed to be in charge. it's just that they abused it so much that a number of powers simply refuse to play along with them, and everything seems to them that it's all right, we are without you. we will continue to rule this world. well, this is absolutely a dead end line. and this is what they cannot understand. they can not back down, but back down, so they offer some very good ones. options to choose priorities if they arrive, since recommended in this article, well wonderful. let them leave the middle east from latin america from africa let them focus on russia and e, and on china in the end, and she will not break her teeth, and they will already leave all other places. eh, they will leave, you won’t have to voluntarily forge them from there, by the way, speaking, i don’t know, to be honest, i didn’t read this particular article. but no,

there are recommendations to start, for example, with the withdrawal of the american contingent from syria . really, what is he doing there? uh, nothing is said about syria, but the middle east is considered as a peripheral direction, which, by the way, is really close to the general ones, and such, and in mono-buildings in the biden administration , because it is really very close to the fanteno. hey, here's the bike. i understand, not russia, not china ninjas do not consider the middle east a periphery, if the united states does. middle east periphery, then, probably, the middle eastern state itself needs to lower the level of attitude. uh with the united states, without waiting for the americans themselves - this uh is done. right now just in the middle east, we are seeing the formation of a multipolar world without, uh, the leading role of the united states, but in any case, when the united states intensifies both the confrontation with china and the confrontation with russia, the result

is a russian-chinese rapprochement, not only because of the united states, but the united states gives this extra momentum. and so, uh, at the end of last week, uh, deputy prime minister of russia alexander novak said that russia and china are moving to the calculation in national currencies for the supply of energy resources and payment will be made in equivalent shares in yuan and in rubles oleg borisovich how significant is this step from the point of view of both the russian economy and the world war? well, this is a step, that is, a historical one, yes. we are watching, and here you are lucky to live in such a period that we are watching with you the birth of a fundamentally new economic world order has begun. he certainly isn't really there today and some time ago. but what we see is, firstly, this is not only about china and uh this applies to russia, in general, to all brix countries, yes, about which, in fact, a corresponding statement was made. that is, what we are seeing we are seeing a departure from the global dollar system. the dollar cross rate is no longer needed to explain

why, probably not necessary, especially and accordingly we are moving to the payment in national currencies. but this is only the first step. this is very important to understand. this one step will not be enough, as what steps are next, it is obvious that this is a step of integration within brex. you and i know it’s great that, according to the minister, lavrov, as many as 13 countries are now in line to join brix with a carave said that they want to join turkey is going to join and so on, what does this mean the key moment when we still have some kind of organization at all? recently i will, which was just a platform, there are countries such as russia, china, the mentioned daily, there is brazil, and so on and so forth. what does it mean that we have an organization in which there are countries whose exports are the critical mass of exports of which commodities energy metals gold uranium wheat? but what does it mean that the logical next step is not just trading in national

currencies, which of course will strengthen those very rational currencies. and the next step will be the creation of a certain currency within brex. we would certainly not yet early to tell. how exactly it will be the currency, how it will be called, it will be there in some electronic form. it's just some artificial currency, but that's the next step, obviously. and when we get there, we will inevitably come to it, then we will actually see. here is the final crash. this is the dollar system. moreover, i will tell them a funny story. here i am with one of my colleagues , also an economist, but i argued when this would happen. here i am, well, my opinion is that this will happen in the next 10 years. here i am offering us a collection in 10 years to return to this conversation, and my position is that the dollar will remain, of course, but it will become just such a currency that ensures trade for countries, well, which now they call themselves developed for the developed world. and of course, this is some kind of conditional there, again, i don’t know how it will be called the brix currency. or how it will become differently. eh, the currency of developing countries, but given the pace at which they are developing, well, pardon the tautology,

developing countries are developing, it is clear that it will play an increasingly important role, but it will no longer be backed up by some ephemeral things, like just the american economy of trust. that's what they teach us yes, economists will be needed at the university backed by real goods. already named by me. and this, well, to some extent this is the return of the old model, when you have a currency backed by goods from the other side. what could be stronger? this is nothing better than nothing invented well, in fact , this year the world trends, both political and economic have accelerated so much, of course, and have acquired rapid dynamics, what may be even earlier than in 10 years, we will well celebrate the fundamental changes in both the global financial system and the global financial and economic order and the final change in the role of the united states in the world associated with this. we will now break for a short commercial and then we will continue to talk about it. i

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the region, the detached states have weakened them. and what to put together and even more so to strengthen the anti-chinese coalitions for the united states will be at least difficult. listen to what he writes about this the official chinese english-language newspaper global times asia-pacific has become subconsciously wary of us geopolitical manipulation and the fight against washington's hegemony will gain more support from those who practice true multi-vector policy. and those who really bind their fate closely among anal development will have a wider path and more friends, it is obvious that china's proposal is fully in line with the prevailing opinion in the international community in the face of a turbulent and changing world. china always adhered to and practiced a genuine multi-vector approach. always stood on the right side of history, on the side of the world cooperation of honesty and justice, and on the side of

human civilization progress through this circle of friends. china will become more and more sergei gennadievich it seems to me that it is very important, firstly, that the official chinese publication uses the phrase "correct side of history". it doesn't happen often, and secondly, do you agree that it will really be difficult for the united states, and most asian countries nevertheless, well, if not on the side of china, then at least not on the side of tough anti-chinese blocs, well, you are absolutely right that this is american pride, what ivan alekseevich rightly spoke about, which there is no one to shorten or they they themselves, more precisely, do not understand it exactly. she rests bumps. well, the chinese project. uh, it's called community of common destiny multipolarity in many ways, but anyway, it's not the chinese version of expansionism and yegermanism the americans are used to. uh, well, categories of white, black, bad guy,

good guy. good world bad world. well, i'm simplifying it this way, well, about such paradigmers, the chinese are 5,000 years old. this paradigm never works. and even more so now. that is, in fact, what we have just heard and heard from the official statements of the ishi and other leaders is, as it were, upholding the chinese. and as for a global, but multipolar, parallel, pluralistic , if you will, world, that is, there are different tracks there. and the chinese. they fully understand that they cannot, as it were, make the chinese project dominant in asia well, all the more so in the world, but they understand that all big and small are equal, they need to be given the opportunity, and here on this path there is a definite sino-american at the level of osian. well, that is, there are groups that are actually allies of the united states, there are groups that support china at the level of twenty, what we analyzed very clearly in bali, this was demonstrated at the level of other projects. and in general, this entire integration system of the asia-pacific region and the index of the ocean region, all these projects and in rap,

all-embracing the original economic portion and others they are all riddled with. with this hidden, yes, and open chinese-american, as it were, a different vision of the future world with different strategies and different tactics, but the americans. for some reason they don't understand. they are on top all the time. perceive the chinese feeling, what is it? well, how would an empire that wants to take over make the world chinese and make, as it were, its own chinese standards. it is absolutely not so absolutely. yes , the chinese are not simple. they are deep they are flexible they are very plastic plastic. here is the chinese diplomacy. i brought a stratogen and in general, 34 some years 47, but it doesn’t matter. that is, in fact, the plasticity of chinese geopolitics and diplomacy means that they can situationally and at the same time combine situationality with strategy. the americans have stopped doing this. they have stopped being drawn into ukrainian conflicts at the same time they are trying to resolve strategic contradictions on start-3. here are ribs, a bird, and so

on. it's an incompatible thing. this is a purely american approach, and here and there are completely different the chinese don't do that, so what's happening in asia and the world is wider through the prism of the chinese-american rivalry here. well, if you like, an internal split , this means formation of renewal, a radical renewal of the two worlds, of course, this western seven, no matter how the world disappears, it will remain and for a long time, of course, god forbid that, well, if there is not, as they say, we hope global so to speak conflict, well , another will be formed. this is not chinese russian or indian. this world is not the west of the global south, whatever you want to call it, but this is a world where different tracks will exist.