limited edition well, you brought me a wonderful china jar for storing tea at home, it has suffered from time to time subject summer about 100 somewhere. here, unfortunately, in the kuznetsov catalog of the moscow warehouse, a friend of the kuznetsovs of the late 19th century. we have not found such a bank. there is no chinese position at all, or these products from another factory, or these are later products. parents told irina that irina's father konstantin rodnin brought this jar from the far east, allegedly during the war with japan he was given this jar for good luck by one chinese military man in full confidence that it was made in china - this is an integral part of such a home kit for storing bulk products. here, tea was written on another jar, sugar was written on it, coffee was written on the third, and they were very tightly

closed, screwed with a lid so that the product that is stored inside this jar does not absorb extraneous odors. it turns out a jar made in russia by an unknown master from good porcelain. first got into china there it was bought by a chinese officer and presented to a russian friend. so the porcelain jar returned to russia and was registered in the family of relatives, it is quite clear that this item was very expensive for this family and was kept, as a certain family relic irina rodnina continues to search from the belgorod archive, the answer came that there is no information on the line of parents and rinina mother. this is probably due to the fact that the contents of the archive were damaged during the war. but in the military archive, documents were found from the archive of the ministry of defense, irina konstantinovna receives copies of personal files and autobiographies of their parents, as well as their registration and obedient cards. this is the army,

uh, handwritten mom, that is, your grandma and dad. you see what different kidneys. here he is, the flight worker is all right. but my mother still has more of this. here it is written 13 years began to work in the thirty-fourth year already went to work, the thirteenth and in the thirty-ninth year was drafted into the army. there was a finnish company, yes. so, and then, right from the first day, the base was drafted into the army in the forty-first year and until the end and here are all of her awards. irina and alexander learn that yulia yakovlevna, after being mobilized in 1939, was transferred to the reserve and again called up for service in 1941. look, her mother first had a korean

pharaoh. and your southwestern bryansk first belorussian front, irina knows that her parents have many military awards and her mother and father have forgetful merit medals, but her mother has two such medals, and her father has one military merit medal established by the decree of the presidium of the supreme council of the ussr october 17 , 1938. the medal was presented due to skillful initiative courageous actions in battle, which contributed to the successful completion of combat missions, the medal for military merit is made of 925 sterling silver and is worn on the left side of the chest. it is clear from the archival documents of the ministry of defense that before the war, yuliya mechenko, irina’s mother, lived in kharkov, kharkiv was one of the first to be bombed, therefore, unfortunately, unfortunately,

information came from my mother’s side that no archives were preserved. irina and alexander sum up their searches, they learned a lot of interesting and surprising about the life of their ancestors. the agency issued a certificate. why, where does the surname come from, because i have always been interested, a beautiful surname, right? and dad was very, by the way, very worried. here, uh, so that i continue, so as not to change my last name. listen, salt. look, put it on. give it to her. yes, look, it will be more interesting for you, right? bunny, she still doesn’t have much interest in these pieces of paper. but we will have something to convey to her, because we just didn’t

get such a thing, it’s very disappointing that you, of course, are with mother’s side is a little less information, but i think that what has already been done is insanely interesting for her what to leave and most importantly for you and sonya and probably this will push us a little more, but to search and maybe something else for him -we’ll find it on my mother’s or not, yes, and most importantly, she pushed me to the fact that we will try not to leave white spots after ourselves, yes, grandmothers our investigation, learned something. unfortunately, it remains shrouded in obscurity, because not all documents were found, but in any case, along the father's line, that is, along the line of the motherland. we have a little more information. uh, they found out that

they were peasants from the kind of coachmen, then, when the railway appeared nearby, they already went along the railway, as if sonya sonya would then continue to draw all these things for you. yes, so that's how all the time on my father's line everyone loved a little, but if you don’t travel, then the work was clearly connected with variable place. what happened to this family does not fit into the usual stereotypes. julia is married. for many years, the couple dreamed of children, but serious health problems left them practically no

chance. the doctors' verdict was disappointing, either adoption or surrogacy, which yulia and her husband could not afford, saved their mother yulia elena at 54 years old. she became a surrogate mother of her own grandson, bearing and giving birth to a wonderful boy, kirill alone with everyone elena snegur and her daughter yulia sokolova hello dear yulia elena is glad to welcome you to our studio and would like to thank you for the fact that, in general, you decided to share such an unusual case with us, but i understand that up to a certain point you didn’t just hide it, but didn’t advertise it very much either , as if such a situation that has arisen, that's in your big family. we didn't hide. we are just those who were interested, he knew. yeah those who weren't interested, of course, we didn't. hmm didn't go and well, they didn't shout to every corner

that this is our situation and mom. we have us is carrying a child. uh-huh and that's why, in fact , such a decision was made. it was an exclusively financial issue that could not be resolved in any other way. this problem was a suggestion. mom how do you like that? in general, it occurred to me, to offer myself as, so to speak, a surrogate mother for my own grandson or granddaughter, then it was unknown, looking at how they want to go. and you know that i have health and i bore my children without problems. i thought that i could, but still, you know, there are very different impressions, so to say, but there is age, it seems to me, there is some kind. well, i don’t know, there is an unspoken threshold, after which the idea is fixed in our society, well, where to give birth? as they say, well, it's too late. and you were so sure, you were 54 years old. in this form, the replanting was another 53, she gave birth already,

54. where did the confidence come from. well, i don’t know, maybe there was uncertainty. vera vera, yes, everything will work out yul, and how much time have you tried, so to speak, to carry out your attempts to become a mother, well, 3 years, but let’s say very much intensively, yes. and the idea of ​​adoption in your family, so to speak, was it discussed or not? it was discussed when we went to the school of adoptive parents. we collected documents. so far, we have agreed that we will adopt anyway. uh-huh that is, now kirill will just grow up and, well, at two years old, when he will be, we will already look for and collect back documents for the adoption of a girl already. why didn't you resist then? let's say mom's proposal, all the same? did you also think that nothing would work out, or what? here's mom at the age of 53, you agreed when mom said, let's try to make mom fall behind and what or uh, no matter how much i didn’t have vera at first when i

was the first. he is a transplant, well, i think they will put my mother in jail, how would mom if it’s good there, then well, let it be good, it would all end again. and if it doesn’t work out, maybe mom, as it were, would decrease, that, well, how would she stop offering , she’ll stop having such an idea, but you didn’t scare yourself that mom was still healthy. the biggest fear is that mom the body can't handle it. yes this, so i refused, so i was not very much for this day. then, when the embryo had already taken root, there was already a very big fear for the health of the mother and the health of the baby for eight months. hmm well, they survived. damn, didn't you have fear? for some reason, i never even

thought that something could be wrong with me . no, there was absolutely no fear, i had a fear for the child, so that everything would be fine, so that he would develop correctly in a timely manner, the only person was afraid. here, so that everything is ok, and i got a test every month every week, and every month there are more. well, i went for an ultrasound every month. yes, she did an ultrasound. yeah, everything was fine for a week. i again began to worry again, then i waited another two weeks and again went for an ultrasound scan that there was only as soon as they told me . well, everything is fine here, everything is fine. it was easy for me again. yeah, mentally it was hard. but you know, in principle, it seems to me, there is the topic of surrogate motherhood. she, well, not so long ago, entered, so to speak, into discussion in our society is another such stereotype that, well, people resort to it, but there i don’t know broad views. rich people, perhaps, who cannot solve their problems there otherwise;

in general, there are still many prejudices. and hmm , just like that among the people you have a small town. you didn’t fear that the information that you were carrying, so to speak, a grandson. well, it will somehow be subjected to some kind of moral pressure, including some kind. will you subject something? of course it's me i was ashamed of my state of being pregnant. i was shy. well, what do people think i am for myself, and if , well, someone met, i immediately explained that it was for my daughter. this is not for me. this is not my stomach, as it were, yes, but this is actually my daughter's life. but in principle, as i know, we now have some restrictions that a surrogate mammoth can become so an outsider up to 35 years old, for your sake they made some kind of exception. yes, but when the conversation started about what i want, yulia agreed, i called the center and the director. hey, head doctor.

she explained to me that 35 years is the ceiling, but i asked i never got sick. i had no problems as a woman. maybe let's try, then, she said, well, as an exception, we can, if you are allowed, health, i started drinking hormonal, which provoked endometrial hyperplasia and a little bit. of course, i had two more minor surgeries. uh-huh. then they were already landing in october for my first kid, when the medicines started, when all these people started like that. preparatory activities none desires so to speak, well, or there thoughts suddenly oh , something i seem to have overestimated my strength. no, i didn't doubt it. let's listen now, just what your personal doctor yulia mikhailovna told us, when elena leonidovna appeared and

put forward her candidacy for the role of a surrogate mother, of course, this was treated with skepticism and reluctance. we can say that e considered her candidacy, because the age of pregnancy is such a kind of test for health, even if a person is healthy, here without pregnancy, then during pregnancy , various complications can occur in the body. it can fail, and at the age of 50 years above, of course, these risks are very high, given that she was already 53 years old at the time of pregnancy, even if she is absolutely healthy according to the results of the examination. there are still cardiovascular risks, that is, during pregnancy, problems of the cardiovascular system can occur. an exception was made here, because here, probably, to see elena why was it done? well, if she

was frightened, even for a minute she expressed some doubt that but what if something would be bad with me there, or what? i would immediately refuse, we took a kind of risk, so to speak, took responsibility for this particular patient, because the cases are exceptional and they had no other choice to teach that they could not afford commercial surrogate motherhood. we went for it. well, that's it, so they'll come to us tomorrow, and they'll say. i want i want i want. no, of course we won't. about you in the sense, how did you feel about it, and the husband, how do they feel about it, when you said, you know, here my mother wants to give birth to a child for us , they want children so much that he said, if she can, if she really so wants, then let him

try, if god wills so it will be, and your spouse is newly-minted, who not so long ago you are married and happily married. but in general, he always supported this idea, as it were. i had to thin my blood there. he rode and collected birch sap i brought 20-30 liters and froze it. here, so that the blood does not thicken, it was necessary so for health, then here it is. it was he who helped a lot during pregnancy. why? he is morally that some kind of folk remedies that could help mom hmm carrying a pregnancy, he is the whole thing. all that he could, he did everything at 54, elena endured and gave birth to her own grandson. look at how

they want children and you know that i bore my children without problems. i thought that i could before becoming a surrogate mother to elena took a long time to prepare. i started drinking hormonally and a little. of course, i underwent two more small operations, yulia's husband did not mind that their child would be born in such an unusual way, he wanted children so much that he said, if she can, if she really wants to, then let elena snegur and her daughter try alone with everyone yulia sokolova len i know that there is also a brother yulia uh your son and he has some health problems with his joints here we are uh uh, programs you said that if i could there to give their joints, if only the son was all

right. i would give. here is some kind of, uh, maternal sacrifice. i would say some, in which that's all that is possible right up to enduring grandchildren. come on, give the joint ready too. it is clear that there is one. well, what a common phrase that a mother is ready, there in the life of her child to give it to her is pure, true, it is, as it were, the maternal instinct, it is the strongest, but still, this is not overkill to such an extent to be ready to sacrifice all for the sake of their children. i am i think, probably, any mother would go for it. that is, you feel your duty. yes, i should, if i can, i should help. and how you met your husband, how we met, we met a long time ago, 4 so 74. it's been 42 years already. yes, we

studied together at school odnoklassniki later. i left in the tenth grade, i left this city to live with my grandmother in another city, worldly, and 10. i no longer studied with my class and at yulia's graduation when his daughter also studied with yulia in parallel classes. and then on social networks. when he registered, we also began to correspond with him. and he admitted to me that he kind of had a crush in childhood. we even wanted him with a classmate with my one woman wanted to marry. yes, instead of themselves were free too. i have not yet been free. ah

, they weren't free yet. so we wanted to introduce him, but he refused. he wrote to me. no , i'll be waiting for you then so i thought about staying with my husband, with whom the desire is very, of course, by that time it's good and it turns out. actually saying, you know that you refute the saying that 40 years of life is just beginning for you, it somehow rushed after 50 in all respects. you are some kind of actually, a brave woman, sitting such a modest mouse, in general, courage. this is your wagon. let's listen to how your loved ones reacted to your decision, your spouse, your close friend and your mother. as a matter of fact, there are also other people who react, than lena's feature is generally a wonderful person. she's right. i

think she was made for family life. i saw in this person is responsible when she informed me of this in her desire to help her daughter. of course i was shocked. 54 years old is a serious age to carry a child. besides that, she had other concerns. her son denis underwent several operations, it was pointless to discuss her, of course, she shared these emotions. she says i understood intellectually that i should give this child away. this is not my child, but my heart did not let go, because we actually have you know, she even talked to him, she

i learned to talk to them when he was still in general, yes, yes, with my grandmother's mother. she put her hand on her stomach and somehow a little bit somehow. here he was patted, and he reacted to these claps. for us it was, of course, well, in general, it was not quite usual that we saw and did not see with our own eyes. yes , of course, you are risky when you sometimes watch on tv. how many different cases are there? that the child dies or the mother and uh, that's what i was afraid of all the time. here she is for you, who is the heroine of the victim, who is lena for you well, the victim, probably she donated. still, it could be. after all , well, it all worked out for them. she was observed

lying. e in this, how to say on the conservation. she was on medication all the time. that's it. this is what for sometimes for health, it's not really. ok, mom. actually, your grandmother, your mother's mother, naturally, also experiencing her own maternal instinct in turn. i was worried that, thank god, everything ended well, but it could end not very well. anything could be you did not think about what it is, well quite selfish. in general, but the relationship to readiness, mom, who says. but let me help you, maybe you should have insisted that well, now, of course, some hypotheses, because, thank god, there is a great health. kiryusha was born. mom is fine, beautiful. how much kirill is now even 4 months old this is how a woman looks like after giving birth to a child. about the fact that, well

, maybe, somehow i went over it somehow with the readiness of my mother. okay, mom is ready, but am i ready to risk her health like that, i was not ready, initially, i and the decision that we made was that, yes, my mother would give me a lift in january, when they put kirill in, it was very difficult with tears in my eyes, but my mother called me, you decided. here i can, i feel that i can consult with my husband. my husband says, well, what are you, why are you so worried? i say, well, what if it's scary already. hmm, we'll lose embryos. we can lose our mother there, anything can happen. he but if mom says so wants trying is not torture. well, how would he support me. well, not what he supported, he prompted me to say something, yes, but it

was still very difficult and i didn’t fully realize and didn’t think that how everything would turn out , the embryos would take root, that my mother would have to give birth. damn a. how did you feel? how is the pregnancy going? i was ready for everything, and therefore for me i almost now believe that i easily brought this pregnancy to her. i was not there, there were no toxicosis, as with my children, and with kirusha , there was nothing of toxicosis. the only thing that has been hard for me lately is to walk for a long time, but, if we talk about i did it on the moral side, here are the difficulties, so to speak, physiological, which one way or another you overcame with the help of medicine, so to speak, various modern e means, but this is hmm how to say, it seems to me, because we are also invested by the lord god, this mechanism that when we take a woman to them, one way or another , this connection with the child is restored. and how

is it to understand that this is not my child, that is. it ’s like mine, but he’s actually my daughter and actually you have to give him away and actually, that’s how it is you were talking about what patting on the tummy. i spoke to him right away. so, when it was already more than 20 weeks, when there were already movements, uh, i woke up and said, kiryushenka well kiryushenka baby, i say that it’s time, baby, well, i’m getting up, we’ll get up, and somehow he moved like this. i was at ease with him. everything is fine. what julia give away. uh, well this is also with his wife and grandson, so love for his daughter. uh, there was no doubt that i was carrying a grandson and i would give my daughter so that she would be happy, but when i saw kirill in the hospital, of course, i have something maternal.

played right away. i was very worried. how will i part with him? well, this is for her, how m-m you still understand that this is more of a part for her, like a son. secondly, as a grandson, she loves him very much. she is very attached to him. yeah, you didn’t expect this, when you went, so to speak, expected this experiment, didn’t expect it. but when i saw what it was like after a birth, when you were still walking, mom, pregnant, i saw how she treated me, i realized that it would be hard for her to them to leave even after especially after resuscitation, when we lay in intensive care, it became it became even more difficult for mom. it was visible noticeably and it was a kind of, in general, a burden on your soul. the decision to risk her mother's health was given to

yulia very hard. well, what are you so worried about? i say, well, suddenly it's scary already. we lose embryos, we can lose our mother, anything can happen there, despite the fact that elena was carrying a grandson, she treated him like her own child, when it was already more than 20 weeks, when there were already movements, i woke up and said, baby, well, what are you standing, we will get up, and he somehow moved like this. i was at ease with him. everything is fine. julia saw the experiences of the mother and felt her connection with the child until now. you know what it is for her. as much as a son. secondly, as a grandson, she loves him very much. she is very attached to him. alone with everyone, elena snegur, and her daughter yulia sokolova len passed like a mouth.

they planned childbirth yes in advance well in advance, as i am of a gray section it is always at 38 weeks. and so i carried it to 38 weeks and arrived for a planned caesarean. ufa you also went, julia no, we took her. but she herself did not let us in, they said that it was impossible. why? well, they can't. in this hospital, in their practice, there are no partnerships of partner deliveries, so there is none. and where were you, my we were at home sitting on pins and needles all this time, until my mother called and said you became parents. and when the caesarean section took place, were you conscious or not? come on, i mean you saw right away. yes, they did not do the final anesthesia, i heard the child. i heard that he was screaming, even i heard

that he seemed to be screaming in his stomach. he began to scream so that such a muffled sound was, uh, a voice, a voice, then stronger, and then they took him away. uh, to another room, they showed him everything, as it should be or not. they didn't show it to me. they didn't say that, look. here is the boy. no. although i was conscious. i thought everything was as it should be. i thought so. so they took him to another room. people from the children's department were already waiting there. doctors took him to the children's department, it turns out to be in intensive care. why did they bring babies to everyone in the evening? well, i also stayed in intensive care in my adult- well, they brought some children to show, but i don’t in the morning again they bring others to me again, no. i already asked

a question. why i don't have it doesn't show. a child , a doctor will come to you, he will tell you everything, i began to worry. yes, i've gone crazy. that's how i think now, yes, then they told me he was in intensive care. hey, you can call there. i called and they told me the child is not breathing, that he develops pneumonia. well, then, of course, i already had a tantrum yulka. how did they find out that kirill was in intensive care? mom called, she said we talked the night before and everything was fine with the child. everything is fine. i am good. uh, the child is no longer allowed, they are not allowed. mom is also in intensive care; she also does not know what is happening with the child. but everything seemed to be fine. but in the morning, uh, my mother called us and said that kirill turned out to be in intensive care with pneumonia. ugh, that's not so good. how would you like e.

well, yesterday we assumed. there have already begun hmm attempts to make and in intensive care. started calling every day there, you know? what every hour, if you call it will be useless and only doctors divert from their duties. it calms the mother, because it was just very hard for the mother at that moment, they felt that the mother's attitude had changed, or something to the child, that for a long time there the mind tried to control the feelings, and she said. here is my grandson. this is for your son and other other. and what at that moment, when the child was born, that, in fact, the concept mixed up. and what is it that she doesn’t really can distinguish, is it well or is it still my child thinks, she m-m it was clear when it became obvious, when we ran into her in the samurai, animation near kirill i was let down for the first time the cries of the kirills, and i saw him, and my mother,

in my opinion, has already come for the third time. that's when we see mom's attitude to the child, how she stood crying, how she was shaking, and i understood that it would be very difficult for mother to mother and i would give him more, than more feelings than grandma. well, what did you experience to go to kirish? this is my child. i 'm afraid i didn't have any thoughts. he's a recoverer, it won't be all right. they do everything to make it all right. this is my child. i am such a person, i very, very rarely cry from emotions, a little emotional, especially in those when there is a person nearby who is also feeling bad. yeah, seeing my tears. he will be even worse, so we must hold on. well, thank god. this is history. eh, lenochka, you cry all the time or or memories and happiness that

it all ended like that, thank god everything ended well, really, and here is kirill's mother. earlier. earlier, lena was discharged than kirill, or at the same time. yes, and that is, you still continued to walk, there are kirishi to ride, yes, and sterlitamak is 120 km away. wow, that is not every day there is all day through the day. and when i was discharged, it was something like me on the day of discharge. in general, i was waiting there, for a whole week, how long i lay, i was all flowing, and when they were discharged, why? well, because they were afraid, no, kirill is sick, right? and when they were discharged, i think how he can be left such a tiny tiny one in this maternity hospital. i did not understand, in general for me it was something, well, the moment has come. it

was necessary to leave the hospital, and we are in july. they came for me, and we immediately went from the maternity hospital to the church, crying and asking, then asking everyone at each room there, they asked, they begged that it was all right, so that they could recover with kirusha, yeah, and they helped. well, after what time kiryushka was discharged, he was first discharged from the intensive care unit on 12 on the fourteenth day for 2 weeks, and then for another week we lay together with him in the children's department for the second stage before the care home. i'm with kirill. javadxan already exposed already lay. yes, you were waiting. yes, i've been waiting. i already called too. she sent me a photo already. and how did you decide among yourselves who will lie with kirill when when i give my mother a birth certificate, as if the mother with the child lies aha that is, there was no legal possibility. eh, lenochka, if there was a legal possibility, would you run ahead of schedule together? well, that is,

when kirill was taken from his mouth, houses met you, as it should be, yes, with flowers and mother met, right? it was a strange feeling. no, i was glad that kirill recovered. and that he and yulia well, everything is strange, no, there was no strange feeling. no. i knew it was her child. and that they should meet her, yul, and when you felt, i don’t know somehow, that maternal feelings immediately turn out immediately hmm, i didn’t think that if i have a maternal instinct, no, he swears at the maternal institute, i just knew. this is my child. i will live with him for a very long time. i already love him. i am limitless man to him there is no tenderness. i am responsible for his life. uh, without this little man. i can't anymore because it's mine. everything, kirill, he

looked at me for the first time, as if another nurse. with one eye, and so you can’t say that there are immediately some just around him. at first there were a lot of people. and when he saw me, i was just another face for him, which maybe he wo n’t see again draws len when we asked you. uh, hmm getting ready for this program. and would you go to such an experiment again, you said, perhaps yes, but you would not be able to give it back. so said. yes, it 's very difficult to stay. this is something. what was the most difficult thing in

parting for you, lena, what did you think? what would be bad without you? yes, and it seemed to me that he felt better with me, that he seemed to feel that i was betraying him, that i was giving and betraying him. well, that's what he don't know, that's how i felt. i even when they left, and we had an agreement with julia they traveled for three days to murmansk, and every 3 hours she tells me how kirill's condition is, and here is some moment in my head , uh, the crying of a child. so i hear the cry of a child, i call them , and the truth is, kirill is crying. there was some kind of connection with him, then it was very difficult to leave. and let us know that now we will listen, and the professor of neonatology, and they are grigorievna filippova. and what did she tell us about your specific situation and about your

motherhood in general. if we're talking about what happens in psychological practice, this is not the most shocking story, but in fact, from the point of view of the arrangement of family roles and the formation of the personality of a child, this is, of course, a very difficult story, because there are definitely family roles, who is my mother, who is my father who is the grandmother this helps a person to put forward his concept of self to define himself as a person of a certain gender of age to master the steering wheel in the family , the one that i should have in this case, since we are talking about a boy, it will be a little easier for him, because girls need more and to master the maternal position, and in such a generally mixed story. it’s not just that the boy here has at least one single father, and as an object with which he will have to compare himself, there is such a concept as psychology, identification, he has it precisely defined, but about how he

will then deal with how he chooses for himself. but here there can be different interesting stories, because, in principle, the mother figure plays a big role here, but now this child has two mother figures. and probably all the problem here is how they will play these roles among themselves, and distribute how they will position themselves in relation to the child. we , for example, psychology know quite a lot of examples when these roles are confused. and the game. this inside the family is called so, who is the best mother for this child and can fight for this role, mother and grandmother, mother, and even there father and aunt, someone else would be nice if there was help from a psychologist who would help them put all the roles on this grandmother's place to accept what she did and how to put an end to this. yes, now say, well , that's it, i'm a grandmother. i give all the rights i leave for this position of mine and i will study there to be a grandmother

so that it is not just easy, but such a grateful parting with a sense of accomplishment of a job well done by gratitude to the parents who take this child and crushed him to them for the child . it matters a lot when a mother separates from her child. so here it is with anxiety with feelings with tears, then this just speaks of that very inner conflict about not being ready to let him go. now give other hands, when we talk about surrogacy in general about ecos reverse motherhood, then we always recommend to parents that children know about the status of their birth. as far as i know, you didn't really intend to hide from kirill how he was born. and how are you? it would be explained to him, there is such a thing when children from the age of five ask you gave birth to me. no

, not me who gave birth to him. here is your grandmother. why didn't she give birth? well, in my house, where children grow up, there not very good you wouldn't like it there now that's an explanation enough. it seems to me at the level of this age, when he just starts asking such questions and this information is enough for him, and then it’s like it won’t happen when he grows up, that you have been deceiving me all my life, that you gave birth to me, my grandmother and everything in my life was a deceit and so on there like that, so let's not hide hmm, let's start asking questions, we'll answer. somehow at first children's fairy tales, but to assert and deceive let's not have a baby it was hard for elena to come to terms with the idea that this is not her child, when i ran to the intensive care unit, i ran away from my adult intensive care unit.

that's when i think it's mine. why why did this happen? why did i try so hard? and so this is how yulia understood how difficult it would be for a mother to part with her baby. video of mom's attitude to the child, how she stood crying, how she was shaking. i understood that it would be very difficult for my mother without seryozha and i would give him away and he was more than more than a feeling than my grandmother. well the future julia plans to tell her son all the truth. about his birth. children as young as five ask. you are my mother, where you gave birth to me. no, it's not me who gave birth to yours. cannon alone with everyone elena snegur, and her daughter yulia sokolova i also wanted to ask you yulia, do you know when children are born, and of course our parents, there they always feel us as their own children, and there,

no, no. and no matter how old we are, they try to educate us to express. we do it this way or not, we do it and when our children are born in the next generation. i mean, then parental guardianship, and our children are transferred , they begin to tell him one way or another, and you absorb it right or wrong, this is emptiness. are you feeding your own child? and in general, every mom and dad has an iron answer. as if. uh, if you don't want to pay or get involved or so stop. you raised me, thank you very much. now. this is my child, and i will do as i see fit. here is your situation. it seems to me quite difficult to object to your mother and say that i will do it, so, as i believe. well, because we're doing it the way it is, kind of, and mom's trying to interfere. somehow especially. no, it's not necessary to give kirill, or they don't, well, here. well, other aspects you will not remove it like that. you put it in the wrong place, put it there. it must hurt. it's okay.

all is well with him. nobody offends him. what if you are offended by something, as if you are worried that they offend. well. there was such a feeling, i thought, so that suddenly they offend him there, but how can they offend him? it's interesting just like that. i am like would, well, because of the fact that it grew so there , i thought that he was better with me that i feel that you could somehow do it better than these completely young worthless inexperienced parents, but the question of such parental sacrifice , which hmm which is often a well-known case that when there parents, for example, can tell their child. i sacrificed my career there for you and the child will feel good. in general, forever in indebted debt to his own parents. and here