phantom pain, here they are with this cerebellum, as part of this war, they are doing what they have been for belarus for years. they can go there. vladimir vladimirovich said that he was aware of it. vladimir vladimirovich is not aware of everything; in fact , it is not the poles who will go. in fact, it has always been like this. here are the five areas. here they are going to stand here in the administrative office, but they think that we will stand here. we think there will be a neutral zone between us, because if we go further, we need to. everything, and you need the crown everything need. well, you know, there’s more, i’d like to, let them work with them for several years, they would crawl themselves, they would ask back when they get married, vinnitsa zhytomyr definitely asked yes, the city of security catherine ii said the borders of russia are then reliably guarded when by russian soldiers stand on both sides of the border. well done mashka let's understand that in europe there is actually

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because in my opinion. this is about the most important thing, this is about who we understand ourselves to be. now after many months of a special military operation with all the goals we have declared and the hardships we have gone through. why is this so news? understand why this is so, please? the united states supports the return of russian athletes who have been training all their lives, but we are categorically against it taking place under the national flag and anthem, you know, in fact , it’s like saying that it’s still 24 years old. and why isn't it now? here is mine, i specifically say this now, so that later, so to speak, it was back to retreat no, now the most important thing is when it is said. it is this that pushes us to see if we are at least ready to discuss this. this is my personal private opinion, which should now be voiced in response, that no theoretical conversation about the fact that we can even discuss

the possibility of performing somewhere without our flag is impossible and not only susan alla barks. she shouldn't even open her mouth about it, because if before the special military operation it was still possible to speak. well, yes, athletes have been training for this all their lives and it’s necessary, as it were, now to crawl away this speech about that one and perform without a flag, as we have disgraced several times now this speech about the flag with which the boys. they fight and die, and the one who will be ready for the country to enter the olympics without this flag. i don't choose the right words. he will betray the memory of these boys, and they will not let him do it, because he is at the headquarters of one of the combat units. here i am now about it remembered hanging. here is such a poster it is better to be a

country, an outcast, than a country with gays. and now, if we go for it, we'll be the ones. i ’m saying this on purpose now, so that later, when god forbid it starts to be discussed, you know that i have already said everything, that time has passed irrevocably. the big game continues on channel one good evening the big game live without any preamble in the studio victor but alabud maria butina exclusively us today line-up of participants, but first of all. we really wholeheartedly from of all our viewers, millions and millions of them are watching today. we congratulate you, first of all, victor alla, of course, you too and everything in your

family for the fact that this is a wonderful person, for whom i unconditionally supported. all russia is back. to our homeland, home to the family, i was able to hug my daughter in general, of course, an amazing story, followed by the whole country and the moment that was approaching everyone including. here is victor well , of course, we will start with you first of all, well, we are really very glad to see you at home earth in our studio. here is the first studio. ostankino, the time of your youth - this studio was called a concert studio. ostankino is here. here are the blue lights from here, there were concerts and so on. you were here a week ago. in a completely different place, you were in prison and did not even know.

what will they let you go? yes, first of all, of course, in your feelings of sensation. what do you feel now here in the studio in your native land. well, it's even hard to put into words. i am very happy and simple. so simple, well, you know, even words not enough to explain all the emotion. i'm full. it 's so overwhelming and, of course, so much so that you just have to live it. when you found out that you would be free, and directly, when i was woken up around 4:00 in the morning, the guards brought boxes, opened the door, said they were going to pack with everyone things. it was on the night from tuesday to wednesday. today is monday, that is, less than a week has passed. less than less for this there were feelings that something was about to happen.

well, when did this hysteria begin? american e on american channels about a possible proposal, that they have already agreed or agreed? naturally, it was clear that sooner or later this should be done, but in view of the fact that they raised this hype, and such things. as a rule, diplomacy loves silence. i realized that it would not happen quickly, that it would take some time, and i tuned in to this. well, it turned out better than expected. well, in moscow, i just even know, it is difficult to convey the city is not recognizable. he's just so amazing, you know the new ones highways. all this, all the more so, this is december, and i remember earlier, everything was smeared with some kind of sticky liquid. it was impossible to see anything with such a sticky liquid. now it's all so clean, even it was snowing and anyway, in general, it's just, well, just

incredible emotions, just incredible experiences, but i think even more emotions. this is your family. well, of course it is. we have, uh, like mom mom, well, i'm very happy that she waited for me and her sense of humor of her prayers. it was the main thing that, in general, kept and helped. wife well, i can i say? you know, well, of course, now is a very difficult period. these are just 3 days in total . actually. yes, since victor returned, there is still no full realization that he is finally home. and here, for example, he goes somewhere. eh, and if i don't hear his voice, i he speaks loudly enough, i get such a phobia as if he doesn't exist. and as if i had a dream. i start running around looking for him so that he does not disappear. here, well, once again i want to say that you see heavenly on this little victor, of course, amazing human. e, stunning here with some kind of

folk natural sense of humor, e with such a real one. here are some very difficult moments. they find such a strong word so sharp that it becomes easier. that's thanks to her some kind of such a rod, but maternal love. yes, and i was also given the strength to hold on. and in general, i think that together we deservedly even waited for them at home. well, i can imagine how hard it was, and you made tremendous efforts to make it happen because they were close friends to talk. yes, in principle, a family that turns out to be, here in such a situation, that is, extraordinary, firstly, completely unexpected, it is clear that no one expects such happiness in quotation marks at home. so, well, i want to remind you that in the eighth year in 2008, victor was the first yes of the russians who was arrested, with whom this misfortune happened, that is, i had to go through. i can’t even say that and

gain some kind of this huge experience, which, perhaps, will still be useful for someone, then there is, but nonetheless. since when you first pass the strap-on, you climb the skin and don’t know where you climb, let’s say, the stone will fall on your head from the mountain or not fall off. that, of course, was very difficult and had to be found. some words needed to be understood, to whom you are addressing. what request do you make, what rights do you have, what can you ask. what can you demand? that is, of course, it is very difficult in fact. uh, and uh, the hardest thing is these moments of e uncertainty without the time when the situation is not clear, when first bangkok, then the removal of victor from the bank, then not the york court in new york. the verdict was clear, but nevertheless, there were still some hopes, that they would give less, right? or somehow the situation will change there, that is, constantly these m-m, quietly

emotional swings. eh, well, it's kind of hard. in general, such a psychological trauma and a very severe depressive state. and i would say this is extremely difficult, so, of course, strength was needed. and how the daughter survived everyone, probably got it, because a at the time of viktor's arrest well, we are already adults after all. eh, formed, well, formed, but with some kind of core there with our upbringing, there it was laid down, which was back in the ussr, my parents were blockaders. that is, this too. in general, some rod does not give strength. here. and what about a teenager of 12 years old, and who saw that heard that huge stream, uh, pouring from both the media and slander and dad, yes, which dad is for her, this is the most holy person in the earth and the only beloved, and she is, in general, a child, but was with us everywhere. she was with us in thailand, then she went with us to new york herself, and she was on these ships. well, just like victor and i decided and we’ll tell our small family there that we should be

together, because the most important thing for dad is to see his daughter’s eyes, and in thailand, at least, he has and had the opportunity to talk to her. well, directly. yes, to say something like that. lisa hang in there. well, that is, there was some kind of very strong emotional contact, and therefore the exchange. of course, i think that she is in general, because she herself is her the character was developing. here in these difficult conditions. that's probably what got her the most. they supported you. yes, of course, colleagues in misfortune. well, you see, colleagues in misfortune happened much later. here. uh, of course, there is a certain period when mary also returned. for us. it's just huge. well, let's say, such a victory and joy. yes, because to see a person. i remember these shots maria was very tired, very haggard face. it 's a joy when my parents were at the airport, i hugged maria well, we just sat there with my mother,

because some were crying. now it is even difficult to imagine from the face of the people, since the forces of energy and, of course, are making a colossal effort, because in order to weld all our prisoners there, the state duma has already spoken a lot about this on television. she says, that is, she is really a fighter. do you feel the probability of happiness has become easier, because with each i will not hide in each returnee. it becomes easier for me, because i don’t know, probably, this is my mission for me here. something that comes from within you from your soul. i just know how it is and uh, for me, when , well, this happened to me, when i returned it was unforgivable for me to just take it and say, well, everything is with me, thank god. now what do you want? i kind of did my time and okay, and then my mother called me, sash vinnik unfortunately. now extradited the united states is there for a very serious period and she just

said that since you returned, then everyone else has a chance, and i realized that i can’t just close the door and don't do it, because , well, people need my help, the worst situation victor actually had. well, here's my situation. yes, but it was every time to explain, e that victor is not a merchant of death, not an armory, baron. it was the hardest, because when i published another post and i wouldn’t let me lie, an incredible amount of negativity bots fell down on us. this, then, is the hate that they said that, and you don’t need to write about him. no need to talk about him. and my principle is that, uh, if we can’t save a person right now right now. this does not mean that it should be crossed out, because i remember my feelings when i was in the crankcase, a meeting with a lawyer brought me to this room and the only time i was allowed to talk and watch the show was only to open the computer. and i understand that everyone there, except for my father, speaks of me in the past tense, but i

was generally alive, as it were, yes. and this is an internal disturbance. it was then transmitted in me already at work, when, despite everything this is one of uh, our last sala and messages before returning. victor, we haven’t yet learned this news was, to which i answered. in a word, it’s fair, because everyone baked here with the health of american prisoners and they talked like this, what if they file one complaint there, file another complaint, but no one remembered him. well, not from ours, but on the other side, they don’t let human rights activists into prison; and it turns out that all this is all it is a system, that is, on the one hand, we are polite, and on the other hand, to help a person. even elementary medicines cannot be obtained there. i then said this is a fair argument. i stick with it. well, uh, it must be said that victor

really secured such a world- famous reputation, certainly uh, the american media, hollywood from the very beginning. that is, you immediately became a star of such a global scale and get up now, because. and the presidents, and they are already talking about you and opponents of the presidents, former presidents, and so on and so forth, the film was released, if anyone has not seen it, then this is the lord of war with nicolas cage , which was supposed to show all, as it were, the justification of the american law enforcement system in relation. e victor but, well, they really created a certain image against which it was impossible to fight, because even as far as i understand, the materials of the criminal case appeared, as it were, materials from the film. uh, there are some i think i need to tell myself, right? that's why

what's here let's really. tell here's how it was actually to illustrate what you said, yes, about the goal, but the fact is that the first time alla lisa and her mother came to new york. well, they let everyone in. that is, we are there, though once a week, but we could see each other. yes, and now, when they began to gather, for the second time and were limited, they waited a long time for a visa, and that's it. it turned out that it turns out. my mother is no longer on the list of allowed people to visit me. i said, how could she say so corny? no it's not yours mother. we have data here. yes, from, as it were, our intelligence that your parents are aminova, they will be , i say, amino, stop, stop, stop, somewhere i heard it ha, so it turns out that you can imagine the arms of the baron, if in the united states it’s just even called oh well, the prosecution yes , law enforcement wires no, those who have to

prepare materials for the trial just take it and write. well, as if from the ceiling or sucked out of the finger. and this is documented and no one even bothered to say, come on guys, let's somehow we check or somehow i say, well, well, what should i do. so, get a lawyer. let them do it, how would we challenge it in court. i say, well, i need it. these are your problems, not mine. i know who my mother is. and if you have sorry, but the characters from the film are, as it were, my parents, then in general. that says a lot about the quality of this investigation. well it is clear that american justice. well, maria is not at all for that. i just have something else, i also had a movie. it's just how it all started victor, they all did this, that is, they shoot a film and after a few. months or years in your case, they form you here. this is the demonization of the personality, and

weapons must necessarily enter there, which means that there are necessarily naked bodies, and then all this hangs on you and says. so that's exactly what you're saying. so wait. it's not me at all, but it doesn't matter to anyone, you see, uh, in america, the line between hollywood and, you know, reality has blurred, and even before the trial. what reality, who had reality, because, well, many have watched the film, many have not, but here is the lord of war. yes, here is a man who traded death there. here is the whole story. um, well, you were indeed a successful entrepreneurial businessman. yes, you had a company in africa that did logistics there. uh, and this is, well, a fact, yes, that is, well, they made history out of it, again, even at the trial, not a single piece of evidence that i had ever sold weapons was presented by the judge, it specifically said that victor buton is not a terrorist . he's not just like him

businessman. because there are 16 different agencies in america, because they call the alphabet the alphabet soup from these agencies. and how many satellites do they fly? and how much and if i did this, well, there should be a documentary document somewhere. there must be some evidence, there must be some, but the facts, but they have never been presented. well, here’s what exactly i did in your company, but we handed over russian -made soviet-made aircraft, because the soviet union collapsed a lot, but you know, aeroflot was the largest airline in the world. yes, about 12-13.000 aircraft. they broke up. at probably 2,000 companies, it stopped. so to speak, budget financing. and where is the physical service, so they began to look, it turns out that there is orthodoxy in africa, it turns out, there is an opportunity to make money on it. that is, you just

remind me what year it was, ninety, we were engaged in transportation in e, we started by simply performing brokerage functions at the beginning, that is, we rented aircraft from a russian enterprise, then they were handed over to uh clients in africa. and then, when we already had to do the whole eh, we will say spectrum of work, which, for example, because its engine broke down. it is necessary to bring it from russia to change it. that is, you, willy-nilly, become involved in this matter and little by little. so to speak, in practice you study this matter. and then he sees that it is possible to buy a plane. and how would it be to do it yourself it's the same to do what you already do it makes a big difference, no matter how it was, yes. well, what is the whole truth, e devictor buta, and his the fate of his return we will continue to discuss after the commercial.

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live a big game with viktor buta scarlet boots and watch butina. victor here, tell me what was it for the story with thailand with the call to you

there by the colombian rebels there, or who were they there ? this is what the operation of the american special services was like, how it all happened, but the story was approximately like this, but uh, that elderly gray-haired man, whom now, apparently, she is with him like yes, and at one time he worked in one of my south african companies was one of the directors. there and in principle, well, there were good relations. here is a sometime in november 2007. he just called me at this time. he lived in tanzania said the director. how are things? i say it's okay. how are you there? what does he say? i'm here in tanzania, here there are such options, what can be done without knowing it. in general, he was, but he had a lot of experience in africa, these big ones. come on, let's see what he means to me at that time we were discussing some deals on the purchase of cashew nuts.

he said that there, behind nice, they began to study the possibility of how to start developing. uh, the beaches, that is, they were ready to start selling whole lots of land and beach areas, so that investors could find something there. built. i say, come on, let's see, it's interesting, maybe someone will be interested, because it's a normal business process. it was the first conversation. then he called and said, you know about me. so the clients came out, they need planes. i say ok. here i just have a plane, when the company in the emirates closed. i say, they are standing there. i would love to sell them, especially since he himself is a pilot, he knows perfectly well. i say, you know, these are these, these are their characteristics, please, so to speak, but a deal is made, especially since i trusted him. yes, well, that is, well, the data was sent, he looked at them, returned and said, you know, well, so and so. there were some conversations

about more valuable. of course, i said fine. you will get a good commission just to make a deal and that 's it. and how would we do something suggested. this is all the more interesting, yes, that is, how to develop trade relations, especially with africa . after that, he once said, okay, i 'll come and we'll discuss it. well, of course i'm coming. here it is arrived in moscow, they took him to red square , so we began to talk. so and so, then they say, you know, there is e, as if the same customers are asking about weapons. i tell him andrew, why bother with this? you see, firstly, we have something to do, you know, and he is by nationality who by civil, he is an englishman by nationality, he lived virtually all his life in south africa. and moreover, he said that he had some kind of armenian roots. but he did not speak armenian, and in general, it was difficult now it’s a matter of establishing, but nevertheless he worked for british military intelligence. let's just say it

turns out later, well, as it turns out later, well, it was clear that someone somewhere, sometime in the past , worked for something. you see, the question was that at the time when we were in south africa, of course, he significantly helped the company and helped restore contacts with high-ranking officials. there, that is, you understand, it was, of course, such a moment. well, when you work with a person, you have experience, and he comes and you like you know well. well, and now he asks me a question and says, so they wanted to buy something. can you do it? i say you understand why at all? all of this with a headache to mess with. moreover, you know that, but i do n’t do this, but he says, well, you had your clients, who, this is it, who ordered transportation for you. i say, yes, they are, but understand, i'm only the carrier, you understand, let them turn to tom if they need to translate something. of course we will help. here. well, he says okay. okay, okay, i'll talk and somehow it disappeared, then, in

general, absolutely. well, unexpectedly. he's calling. you know, they agreed on a price and that's it. why so i say well. and you know andrew how to conduct, all the deal is to conclude an agreement, we will somehow give the account number of the company, which is this one, yes, this is a man with glasses, yes or no, it’s standing on red square on red square. yes, i say, well, you yourself, in general, understand for me. he was older in age, and i really listened to his opinion. understand, i i say, well, you know, even better than me. how to do it, do it. and then what problems. he says, well, well, then you know, everything is fine. i agreed. that's it, she doesn't really ask, uh, to come. hey, when to meet you? come on, because. well, here's the deal, it seems to be concluded. i say, well, is it worth the burner was for the sale of aircraft, and it was about the sale of three aircraft. generally.

here the deal was there, that's why there was nothing special. i tell them. well, meaning he says, okay, come on quickly. well, they really want they insist on meeting, and, as it were, the client’s desire is natural and somehow the client wants to meet, but okay, let’s say, well, for example, romania you know, somehow romania doesn’t sound very right. here, but then they again took a break, finally they said, here are the banks. come on, let's try. well, i thought, like banks. uh, such a more neutral country. yes, especially lately. for good relations with russia, therefore, somehow i didn’t even think that there might be some kind of tricks of this kind, just, well, so mean, you know. okay, it was really, well caught by the hand, something really you did something. indeed, you did this and you, as it were, were taken in quotation marks, and here is such a vile game, using

these e, such e possibilities of the law, you understand, and there appeared some colombians or someone just like that, supposedly yes there was andrew and with him were just spanish-speaking people who called themselves colombian representatives of the fact, as if such sharp evolutionists, to whom at the beginning we they talked well about airplanes. then they started talking. oh we want the hated. well, you know, i say, i also have a problem with america, they also seem to be chasing me. i absolutely agree with you on this. so, why did you annoy the americans so much? you know, i myself was somehow very surprised, because no matter how i feel about it and take no action against the americans or take it, and they tell you, it means you had a conversation with them about business, that’s it, yes, but not this conversation was recorded and it was

this conversation, then in the conversation. they said, well, we need these weapons. i mean, i'm saying, well, ladies and gentlemen, i don't sell it. well, how much does it cost? how much does it cost? i say, i don't know, i just never traded, but we need to. you know, you're trying to sell your plane. and you have a client, but it’s just as if in business it’s customary to create certain conditions during the conclusion of a deal so that the deal does take place. yes, close the deal. i say, well, i can find out later. let 's finish with the planes. and then they started to tell that how they want to kill those, how they want to do what they have going on there, naturally in this situation. if you want to make a deal, you will say well, yes, of course, you can do that. it is possible that you have it there, as it were, let's, here at the beginning with this, especially since well, really, what kind of arms dealer will come to meet. and when they ask him,

how much does a grenade launcher cost? i say, but i don't know, how much ammo costs. but i don’t know how much kalashnikov calibers and kalashnikov cartridges cost. well, again same. eh, it doesn't even matter. well, imagine you are trading, that is, they offered you to sell weapons that you do not trade, and then you were charged with the fact that you allegedly wanted to sell weapons sold and all the more you see, because, as usual, trade is hardly anything it was, but here, uh, the so-called concept of conspiracy and synopsis in english, it lies in the fact that uh it doesn’t matter, uh, you were going to. they fought, the main thing is a few facts. uh, this one here. conspiracy theory according to american law. this an agreement, including a non-verbal one, between two persons about the possible commission of a criminal act. works. no, i don't have conspirators in the business of colluding with myself. they went on promotion here

you have a little different option, but such a beautiful you see, she sings songs from the root, and with the local senators there. well, just red sparrot, that's right, if i sang karaoke with local senators, and it seems to me that you weren't alive anymore, because it would be much larger, yes, well, nevertheless, you understand again, and therefore here just the thing was. well if you don't know, i didn't even believe it at first. i say that they are serious and they will push like this yes but uh actually, i think the americans liked the fact that there is a russian company logistics there or was, which is carried out by transportation, because understand, only americans should have logistics companies. so after all a political or business task. you know, it's hard to say, we weren't even a russian company at that time. uh, as if they were russians, just russian russians. they have been registered. in africa, the companies were local, so yes, the owners were russian. it's a different matter that russians can't have a business, in general, outside of

russia, while working in south africa, there were such parishes to me when they said we would like to know this. it would be better if you were with us, as if cooperating there, everything was hinted at there. i'm just saying, guys you came to the wrong person, please, let's finish goodbye, and at that moment they told me. well, we can create some very unpleasant problems for you. i say, well, me your there are no threats. and the fact that you want to receive information from me, i do not. well, that the americans can definitely create problems? that 's the only thing they can do well is create problems in that you know very well. you see, well, and to convince, of course, the thai law enforcement agencies still uh arrest where you are in this red prison uniform, this is thailand yes, and right there these famous shots when you are being led and you manage to, uh, kiss your wife . yes, let's see

remember, yes, this is an episode, of course, this, by the way, at a moment when you also remember, i remember very well, this is exactly when the court refused to extradite the americans. yes the second moment, when everything is already, when they have already decided to extradite. yes, it was just like that, i don’t know. uh, gesture of desperation. it’s just that i already understood that they are now conducting it, and there may be such a moment that i simply won’t see it at all anymore, because it’s just there, but they cut off all the uh, well, let’s say the audience, yes, and i don’t have friends in that. glue i just managed to break through the security. and right there is the package. we gave viktor there, uh, the documents. so it’s just, like, i just caught him almost simply and kissed him, because well, i think, well, that’s all, that is, and after that they just transported him completely into the night. well, let's say so on the sly, yes, to another

prison, uh, and we only knew about it a day later, and i didn’t even know the russian embassy in thailand about it, that is, it turned out that one of the prisoners, and in that another prison. it's here very famous prison. this is bogwang. this is if someone watched the film, and bangkok is a bank and a hilton and this is a prison where they still carry out executions, and the death penalty, and before they were shot there. now it is done by injection. here is victor. it's like, like, uh. hmm, a person who should already be taken to the united states and they were transported there, and here is one of the prisoners just. in order to be popular with us, i just called the embassy and said that there was a special transport at night, they brought some russian under him, they freed a whole floor of everyone from the cells. and here on this floor they allocated a separate cell for him, and there he was placed there and left for 3 days in shackles in shackles for one on the floor in

shackles. you see, there, i am constantly carrying something, because this is such a system they explained. why do you need shackles so that you can’t run with them and moreover, even you don’t have the right to wear shoes, because they worry that you can throw the judge’s shoe, but i said that i just won’t go to court without uh, sneakers. and i was allowed i was the one that yes that's here in shoes all the other prisoners. you can turn sitting, barefoot more interesting even another thing that at that moment, uh, the thai judge who read this verdict, it was the same judge who issued the acquittal acquittal , and he just changed. in person and when he read this, he called our lawyer and said, you appeal immediately. it is illegal under thai law that the court of appeal does not have the power to review the facts of the case. he can only check the procedure. was the procedure followed and in this case, the court changed the facts, the judge who

, uh, conducted the trial, he admitted that there are no facts confirming no actions, that, firstly, the americans did not provide a video recording, because when it was there, just some transcripts - then the americans there was nothing at all there was the americans. during this trial did. so we sent you a fact for extradition, that's enough for you. yes, i said no, that is, without any cross. yes, that's how they said that the thai police are our great friends and the thai are also our great friends, therefore. well, they owe the americans to take their word for it. everything about documents. we will then give you in the us such that the judge began to ask where is the record of the record in america as you made it in thailand. this is illegal without our sanctions. what case was he arrested for? oh, we arrested him for the thai case, okay? and what's next,

and the thai case was closed because there were no denials and on the same day i was released from prison on april 9, 2008 and immediately arrested at the gate, taken again to court and started new procedure already at the request for extradition. on the basis of arrest on the basis of arrest, and as they say. uh, the fact is that the law on extradition says that the crime for which there should be extradition must also be under the law of a crime in thailand. that is, it turns out. if , according to thai law, this is a crime - there is no such crime, then extradition cannot be made. nevertheless, the judge said, file an appeal urgently. it was the first time such an appeal had been accepted. and by the way, at the moment when i transported, the next day i had to go and the court of appeal accepted him a lawyer even before this several times prevented attempts. yes, 2 months before this withdrawal attempt. yes, it's just illegal. that is, in fact, there was no extradition, because the

court did not finish with me. i had at least two more hearings in the thai court, the court must complete all the procedures sign the documents and give your minister has, so that no matter how it was done as a provocation. first , the special services, which was attended by these hispanic, as it turns out later, employees of some american anti-drug agency, one of the american ones is being transferred to a drug enforcement agency. and in general. in general, these would be what they are doing. yes, we understand very well. no, it's only then the question is a chain of absolutely lawless decisions, uh, a thai garden, in general, there is such a very interesting moment, they have a trailer, since this is case law, then, in principle, you cannot say that you were illegally brought in, because one day, about 20 years ago, the judge decided, but i don’t

care how they found him, where you once presented him to me in front of my court. i will continue the procedure, and moments of legality illegality. i don't care. so good means, although nothing good. e in thailand means you were transferred to another prison and further, and then 3 months. in general, this is what she is taking to court. you see in bulletproof vests. they come to me, they say, so put on splashes, in short, why do we have information that the russians want to shoot you, russian snipers was. yes, for this, they kept in the crankcase what you say, that they always called it that . ok, well, that is, the kgb is no more, it's all. it doesn't matter, but they must have kidnapped me and killed me. that's right, yes, because you, it turns out, have information. e on putin himself and they will kill you. otherwise, you will tell us, you will be with us, and that's it , and you just start laughing in such disbelief, you only understand laughter, and that's it. well, how different, because, well, this is absurd and

moreover, but in all these trips, that is, as it were the judge understands, and according to the law, it’s also that if the process didn’t take place within three months, the transfer didn’t take place, and i had to hand me over to the representatives of russia, and by the way, the consul came literally in a day and a half and said vector at we're all set. we have already prepared. we all take you to the airport, the plane you fly away. if necessary, we will even delay the flight. such was the situation, that is, you were arrested twice. yes, the first time, how, how was arrested for the first time in the thai open case, which was generally like letters from the american who was arresting it was the thai police, but uh, the thai police directly carried out all the instructions of the americans. there were about 12 americans, 12 americans participated in the procedure, they completely detained those thais who were just kind of doing the work, and they were in charge of everything, and the second time

you came here. no, the second time, when the thais already understood there were no arguments, a and they closed it, but at that time the americans sent an official request for extradition. uh-huh and then the second time was arrested then arrested a second time. and it was also the thai police. this was it. well, they already had a request for extradition, which went through the menu, that is, completely and also the americans took part in this, yes, there was the same agent who was at my arrest, i still remember his name, but i think yes such things. always do this classic, well classic american pressure lawlessness scheme . that's the way to the train

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victor was arrested at the request of the americans, who simply did not like the fact that the russians were flying in africa, because in their opinion only americans should fly and transport goods in africa. this is clear. uh, a provocation was organized and the thai court, after the acquittal decision, flew out, issued a decision on extradition and transferred to prison, where in thailand they carry out just the death penalty . yes you know it is located on the bank of the river, just, and it is divided between the river a and a small road , a very old prison, victor did not see all this. i went there, as the russian embassy somehow managed to agree that at least i should visit him every other day, and they would let me

take food to him, which i cooked at home, and i passed all these old stone there from huge waves folded walls with towers. and when you pass these stone dark gates. there is a huge black board hanging on one side, and a board similar to ours. here is an old one, as if school, but such, so it was written on chalk. uh, how many per day. and how many death row inmates do they have? how many life sentences they have, how many prisoners there and there, well, about 50 years 25 years. and how many for example, and for tomorrow it is planned to bring it. e in execution of the death sentence. and how much has already been given, and now, passing through this informational one, i don’t know the scoreboard in quotation marks. it was just terrible, because every day the chalk was so worn out there, and the letters were fixed. that is, someone has already been executed, but the next day is still appointed, the next prison itself is built like this. well, if well , probably the older generation, 100% watched, i

hope that after that the youth will look at this , uh, the principle of building hmm and hitler's concentration camps, when there are two barracks in the middle of a huge gate with a clock. at the top of this one, you pass through this, uh, architectural structure. and you understand that you seem to be in a concentration camp, because for me, for example, this topic is like, well, close. since well, my parents are blockaders, they were very worried about the war, and for me there was an absolute feeling that i was going to a concentration camp, but as i had, and the opportunity to visit victor, and before transferring victor , i went through these flights thai prisoners , they all walked in shackles, and in such shackles due to the fact that everyone has a long term, that is, there, and there there were practically no legs. that is, the ankle is wiped there to such a point that there are just bones, a view of who has meat, who has sores there, whom everything just flows with some three rags, it's all wrapped up, that is, and this is the ringing of chains in my ears. that is, sometimes it’s just for me, for now, all the time, somehow, in some situations, i

just remembered him and i want to say more about what victor said, and how he was brought, it means, to court it’s not really, but shackles in our understanding, that is the thai system so far. well, i don't know, it might be over now. excuse me, but 12 years, yes, how he was taken out of there, maybe something has changed, but the system is old, that is. simple, but a huge metal bar, steel, which is twisted around the ankle with the oldest ancient device in the old prison and is also untwisted by a connected chain. so, in order to spin this pond, you need to insert the prisoner's leg into this device again, spin this pond with vectors. i was just saying that there were a few terrible cases just in prisons, that uh just and hmm well, how the legs of the prisoners were injured so badly that just uh, blood poisoning , a person just died, right? and in these shackles you and extradited. no, of course they were removed. uh,

they put on the handcuffs and already the american scabbard. so to speak, they call them limiters. but it's like handcuffs for the legs, that is, they are much lighter than those, and thai shackles on average weigh about 12 kg, so you even have to cut the lace to even move them around. that is, you have to walk this way, and therefore, in all the pictures you can see that you even have to walk very carefully, so that this twisted iron, and there you sit down such a lever, and they twist it and gradually, uh, everything, uh, hmm closer closer and just then they thread the chain and then on the other, that you can’t even do anything . that is, in principle, and not to untwist not because it is very thick, but the pond, probably, somewhere well, one and a half centimeters in diameter. uh-huh well , extradition now to the united states the night before the extradition, the local warden comes

in and says this here in the minibus. come on with things. sit down, i say, where are we going , he tells me, here in prison, well, their prison is big, indeed, the territory is very huge they have gardens and pigsties and football fields there, that is, well, well. here we sit down in this minibus with things. they take me for a long time, we come and you know this, uh, in thai prisons, they like to do this. well, you know, some beautiful arches, there are different flowers, that is, so to speak, a prison even in a thai prison. unlike the american one, there is a lot of greenery. they love flowers, some kind of magnolite color, that is , somehow else. well, there is something human. yes, except for the distance. this is deep night. such a moonlit night. yes, such a pond is so simple. you know, some kind of garden is so very beautiful there is such a structure. in a typical thai style, you know the traditional way, just wah is such a house and next to it is such. uh,

you know, uh, brutal concrete structure built to american standards with typical narrow rooms. and type. come on, let's go. there, it means that six cells in this building were completely built and equipped by an american, that is, there are six cells in these cells, like american doors in american prisons. uh, american standard toilets are everything from me, as if it were such a large room, moreover, a room with glass on both sides on one side, an entrance, as if for spectators of the death penalty. there's a big couch with a seatbelt. that is, where the mediocre, well carried out. i say at the beginning i have. i say i won't stay here. everything, i say, let's go back. i will not be here, you want to force me to force. let me resist. well, uh, how would the thais think so, scratched for a long time, they didn’t call, how would i go there forcibly for that is, the head of the prison, apparently, also

considered that it was not necessary. so they took me back, as it were. here but nevertheless. that was such an interesting moment of the page this is directly, and then the extradition in the morning has already come. and the most interesting thing is that the head of the prison has already refused to extradite the americans several times, because they did not have, and the court's decision that the case is closed, that he must sign the documents. and how to give, so he refused them, what was done, his superior came the boss said, i will remove you from your post for 2 days. you're kind of going on vacation. i will perform your duties myself, as soon as he does this , he lets the agents in, they come, and, as it were, they bring me in with lights and begin a search. and not only did they make an experiment. you know, but they gave me some kind of ah? dirty, soaked in the flow, this tracksuit right here. i say that i don’t even wear a clean suit, you know, there, like with this impudent look. i say, well, the

americans survived, they ran out of money to even provide clean things. yes, and before that you will be divided. then, of course, in a minibus to sports at the airport, it stands there, so to speak, this plane is a challenger scorer there and landing through crete in greece to new york to new york in new york, but a well-known photograph. that's how the agent came up with the idea, they grabbed this hangar , they started to carry it out there again as a result. and they fought to play there. eh, good and evil kolpa. you know one came bald like that. well, like, i've killed many here. that is if you twitch i'll shoot you on the spot and i'll get nothing for it . well, you know that. cheerful how do you say american boy? joker? yes, and further interrogations have already begun or how it is, because everything

was clear to them. it is already interesting that there was not a single interrogation at all, that is, they always asked, no one interrogates me for him. everything was clear. everything is known at the time of the arrest, and not only before, when the day agents were arrested in thailand, and they, as it were, together with this thai, they offered me to immediately fly to the usa without it. i am i say, no, i demand that there be a representative of the embassy here. i refuse. i wo n't go anywhere. here. but you can't survive in jail here. you will be killed. i say, i don’t care, in general, i won’t go anywhere. and here is andrews smallian, this partner. he agreed and on the same day he flew away, i see, uh, so you were put in jail. in what, and in this well-known now closed mcc prison, and in uh-huh right next to the acute one, and there were some conditions there. well, there were conditions. of course, it's hard to say, but again, this is from a typical american such a block itself closed it, and moreover, and even in

contrast to the normal from the normal standard. there this bed was in the middle obliquely. there is such a massive bed in this one and, moreover, on the side there are three such brackets for, well, fixing restraint belts, that if you are us , like this, they will tie you through these brackets and prepare for court. after all, it took a lot of time. yes, there was no court verdict . in a few years, even well, understand how it goes uh, lawyers, how to say start process? so, uh, the prosecution has to provide documents. and usually the american system, which was provided in my case, i had a computer with me. that is, in principle, all the contents of the computer were provided in printed form. well, imagine what it is like documents. that's why in general. eh, it’s purposely to pile so many different things.

well, you want to read. and if anyone read the lawyers, they probably think there were then these uh transcripts of the recording that they were. but their there was not quite a lot everything else was, in general, and what was presented as evidence of no charges. you understand, according to the american, again, the law, but a conspiracy. this is an agreement, including non-verbally, that is, in order to be in a conspiracy, you do not even need to talk about it. if i winked at you, then this is a conspiracy to commit a crime. uh, so to speak, an act for this you need two participants and secret agents, so to speak, and an agent who will confirm that they blinked at that moment, with whom we talked, that is, the one who is with you, says must be directly, a government agent or this, and you must consist of someone like that and any of your statements his statements are automatic in your

statement and in fact there are no precedents when someone could, how to say win this process hmm that is, for all there 100 years, if even before the seventies to the eighties, is it like that? uh, the option was actually never used, then they became very active in the nineties. and that's just in my case. now conspiracies are given to everyone just automatically, for example, yes, that’s where i was, well, 70% of prisoners also have this conspiracy, or we have 99 per year, because usually a husband and wife go at once. yes, all the time we simply flow inexorably and i just take a promise from you that we will continue the conversation with you. and and thank you. eh, it’s true that you strengthened nine foreign languages ​​while in prison, well, there was a time and somehow, well, i don’t know, it just happened by itself, that is, 9 foreign languages. well maybe

be not nine, just again to what extent something, of course, better what, of course, just yes, actually more textbooks. i sent him and what languages, firstly, he started with e, sanskrit persian horde in thailand and continued e, studying turkish and he had practice, because there were prisoners who were fluent in these languages. he's just being modest. well, he again proceeds from the fact that as far as i am completely fluent or just talking. that is, when perfect it means knowledge of the language. and if you're just like at the household level, then this means it does not count. i heard that you left a whole art gallery there, well, not a picture gallery, but most of the drawings were transferred. it's just that what i've done over the past, probably a year and a half, has not been returned. well, they promised to return it, especially since the special envoy apologized on the plane and said that their instructions were not fulfilled and he let his russian colleague down, so be sure to make sure that everything is transferred either to

the embassy or delivered to moscow, so we are waiting. uh, you are already familiar with the reactions of american and officials to your release, that president trump was outraged that john bolton was outraged, the former adviser to the boarding security , everything that happens john kirby is there, how do you perceive it, i kind of was like that there was a possibility a little bit to understand this american political system, everything that happens there. this is purely internal policy. yeah, well, on the other hand, we should probably stop worrying and just live a normal life and do our own problems, to be honest, we should not be interested in their opinion, we just have to do what we have to do, if they accuse you, i don’t know that release threatens state security. usa understand flowers. there you will do something there to continue working. well just yes they are