he sang for the support of ukraine from the us government, but this is rather the fatigue of the american voter from the uncertainty in the energy markets. uh, from the fact that you have to experience some kind of household discomfort. in this regard, not because they have lost faith in the righteousness, supposedly of the struggle that the government is carrying out in kiev, and i am convinced that while the west is playing not just on the side of ukraine , but ukraine is a glove. an instrument that is put on the hand of individual elite groups and how one can scold oneself is impossible. this this level of self-analysis, you understand, is critical, which i admit will be possible in the mode of memoirs or in 20 individual administration figures, when they will, uh, calculate all the advantages and disadvantages of these operations will speak probability. here we went too far, here they didn’t need to lower their hand there, a blow to poland is acceptable. here it was not necessary to turn a blind eye to the

shelling of a nuclear power plant. there was no need to do this here, but now in the heat of this struggle. they can't shoot blame very much interesting argument, which is now given. i want to be sure that if absolutely correctly understood, then there is a practical point of view. not from the moral not from the polemical practical, if russia wants to reverse the western approach to ukraine, then this is not from the field of public diplomacy. although it can also play some role not from the field of preparing some actual data. it's a matter of raising the price of supporting ukraine for the west, be it economic or military, so i believe that the russian power of persuasion will work for neutral countries that have not decided and are not directly involved in supporting ukraine as

tools to contain russia this strange global majority of the participants in the general assembly needs to be convinced, but the participants in the crisis from ukraine, you understand , it’s like a boxer says to one another, you understand, dear why you hit me so hard . e. don't you see? what means? life is wonderful amazing without it. i think it would be totally inappropriate for something like this rhetorical posturing and of course, and victory in this crisis will not be won on tv, but on the battlefield. for me it's uh, unfortunately, i completely agree with you, but for me it's a sad situation, because i remember, i think, we all remember the time when communicating with western colleagues. we had the feeling that, of course, different experiences, different perspectives, different interests, but somehow we didn't seem to have the feeling that we could

talk to each other and understand each other. here, if i understand you correctly, here it is opportunity to engage in meaningful dialogue. she, at least for a considerable time, was lost. dmitry you are a very experienced person who has observed bilateral relations. e in a series of eras and i believe that your personal observations. uh, in terms of their wealth, they can. hmm, they can compete with, uh, a large circle of analysts. and, perhaps in this championship of experience, you can take the lead. i'm sure we'll see. and you will see situations of mutual argumentation familiar to you at the moment when they are ripe for this. conditions when the united states realizes that we are satisfied with, let's say, the current state of affairs and are ready. now uh means entering into a dialogue with russia

or we will see the situation in ukraine develop. so she starts to remind afghanistan in 2021 and the situation must be avoided. a wholesale means a drop in all our rates and we need to finally speed up the negotiation process. in the meantime, they manage to solve their problems relatively cheaply. ukraine readily presents itself as an instrument for solving these problems, and the united states do not experience excessive risks. from these mm goals, and this also allows more. to mobilize their own allies, in fact, extracting economic resources from them, forcing them to purchase energy resources at exorbitant prices, to speed up their defense programs, and so on and so forth, and until they see that the situation forces them to these negotiations, but i admit

that you will see familiar. and to you, and from the experience of the mature stage of the cold war, the formats of negotiations when the real conditions for this ripen. thanks dmitriy i thought that we could still have a certain kind of dialogue with the united states, resolving some specific issues. and the exchange of viktor bout for britney griner. i actually confirmed that this dialogue is underway and we can even agree on something, but we can agree on big issues. we can't have a strategic dialogue right now. we cannot now, we are in the format of a hybrid war, and part of this hybrid war, of course, is the war of information. legal and these facts that you described dmitry are just indicators of the cases of this the information war itself, and the point is not only that the reality in ukraine is retouched and whitewashed in the western media , the other side of this same information war is the presentation of all

the information that comes from russia as disinformation as false information. yes, everything that russia says in the west is perceived as a lie, this is an indicator. uh, it is precisely the information war that russia's public diplomacy is, of course, aimed at and will increasingly be directed at the world's majority. and it will to have an impact, including on the policy of the west, exactly the way you, this dmitry, presented the price increase, but because the solidarity of the world majority with russia increases the price for the west from waging this very war against russia ukraine indeed a tool. you know, the g-7 summit was held yesterday, and then olaf scholz spoke after it. now germany is ending its presidency of the g7 and uh, made an interesting statement that the restoration of ukraine will be a task

comparable to the plan. marshal on the one hand. this, of course, is hyperbole - this is an exaggeration, but on the other hand, olaf-scholz is essentially right, in what he is right, but the tasks and the plan. marshal was not only the post-war restoration of europe, but the consolidation of europe in the western orbit , preventing post-war europe, as a result of the coming to power of the communists, to move into the orbit of the soviet union, now the same task by the west will be solved in relation to ukraine , to make sure that not only restore and not only and not so much to restore ukraine how much to fix it as anti and as a country belonging to the western community and as a permanent threat against russia, wow. here. eh, that's exactly according to plan. there is one problem here. uh, marshall plan yes, of course, one goal was to consolidate the dominance of the united states a

in western europe. it's obvious, but also obvious. so it was not so easy to do, because eastern europe was already controlled by the soviet union, that is, it was a reality and a tough competition for influence. well, i'm looking at ukraine right now. if you're talking about the marshall plan. the marshall plan was about building democratic institutions for countries for the elites who were interested in the idea that ukraine is interested in democracy, but everything i see about ukraine goes exactly the opposite . direction. so, i really wanted to ask you, okay, we understand at least what's going on at this stage in europe, although we're not sure. how long will this go on, what's going on with the russian opposition. here i am trying to find parallels dmitry.

here is the first world war. the bolsheviks accepted some help from the german general staff, but openly called themselves defeatists. there was no power in russia. as far as i know, those who would openly identify themselves with a horn to open something would not simply say that, for example, russia is fighting badly, that the emperor’s sovereigns rule badly. what , do they have any ideas how to improve this? no, and remember, the russian position offered its assistance to the imperial regime in organizations and the rear, and to some extent the army, we know the truth. how it ended, too, in general, the russian opposition, then for the most part was patriotic. and those who were not patriots, they said they wanted to translate what they called

the imperialist war into a revolution, but no one said that they fully identified themselves with the german emperor. now the russian opposition, the radical opposition, is doing this absolutely openly. i don’t see any sympathy, and i don’t see any for the people who live in the donbass sympathy for the crimea to which zelensky threatens from the open, i'm trying to understand, that's where, and this approach. to their own country and why people with such an approach seriously think that they have at least some opportunity to rule this country at some stage because in my opinion the main criterion for the provision of this money. it was not the holding of free and democratic

elections, not the presence, but stable democracies among recipient countries, and the absence of communists in governments, which, by the way, is a violation of democratic procedures, because in the same france or in the same italy, if the elections were really free and the communists would come to power. they were the most popular political force at that time from this point of view, the analogy is arguable, but not that. even awesome now, but you asked dmitry, really very fundamental. it seems to me the question is, firstly, the use of enemies in the internal political struggle, indeed, unfortunately, is not something new for russia. this practice has been present for many centuries, e russian history. you quite rightly mentioned the bolsheviks in the period. e, during the first world war. bolsheviks. they tried to turn the imperialist war into

a civil war for this purpose. bolsheviks. they ruined the front destabilized, but did not stabilize. yes, there was an opposition, let’s say systemic then, which, uh, tried to help the front, but the bolsheviks directly, uh, interfered with uh front. they deliberately ruined it in order to turn what they considered an imperialist war into a civil war, using both the first world war and german money, not to let's say, uh, improve russia , but to come to power about power. uh, for them it was the main one and cooperation with the enemy was for them a tool for coming to power even further, if you dig deep into russian history, during the period of feudal fragmentation. many princes used the horde and horde e troops for internecine wars with each other in order to overthrow in order to sit there on the

throne of kiev chernihiv thrones and so on and so on and so on, but now you are absolutely right and dmitry and we are seeing a certain climax, and solidarity with the enemy. yes, in the end, those princes who agreed with the horde, but that the horde troops would burn a. e, some city, but along the way they would put this prince to reign. they have not been starred. what is happening now is the solidarity of enemies. it seems to me that for such representatives of the russian outside. the systemic opposition has the illusion of their personal end of history and their personal integration into the western community. these people do not associate themselves with russia under any circumstances and in no way do they associate you with the west, as if they are also a part. i have watched the west. this is dmitry many times at international conferences, when certain representatives of the russian opposition, it seems,

speaking on behalf of russia, they said that we are in the west, the west needs to do something, so with russia yes uh, they gave recommendations corresponding to the west against whom to impose sanctions against whom not to be introduced, but as a rule to introduce, that is, they believe that they are already in the west, as if speaking on behalf of the west without associating themselves. e, s. e with russia , here is my understanding of this. i am very humanly sad about what is happening in ukraine and i understand that what is happening to ordinary ukrainians who have to live in these very difficult conditions, it is hard not to sympathize with them, but i think it’s another how much i am a historian by training . i sometimes i’m trying, like the chinese, to think not in terms of years and decades, and sometimes even more, uh, distant prospects, and i’m starting to think that maybe

zelensky’s historical mission is to contribute to the revival of the russian empire, and ukraine was an independent country, 31 years ukraine was in composition of the russian empire for more than 300 years more than 300 years. this was a more natural state for ukraine, and i want to remind you that ukraine did not become independent in ninety. year as a result of the heroic national liberation struggle, but because gorbachev and yeltsin and their allies, as it were, destroyed the soviet union, and yeltsin was the first to declare the sovereignty of russia and what followed followed, and i begin to think, but with a very interesting remark of the georgian, who, well, as it were, did not suffer from excessive sympathy, uh, for russia to the russians and he

said that it was important from the point of view of poland to separate ukraine from russia, because without ukraine russia can not be an empire rightly. yes, he said something else, especially in the last years of his life. he said that there is no need to drag ukraine into nato. because that if ukraine becomes anti-russian, then russia will not be able to accept it, and if russia faces such a constant threat, it will inevitably turn on. and in russia, the interest in revenge is the interest in ensuring that russia will never again be in a position where it can be done with it. tell me, do you think that what is happening now, along with some

large number of people, relatively large, who decided to leave russia at the same time led to the growth of real patriotism in russia to strengthening the sense of russian identity, if you want solidarity between the russian people. first, sbigney brzezinski was a very intelligent man. nobody hides this, really, and i fully admit it. this is one of the greatest thinkers of recent times, and in the united states, of course, after henry kissinger, but uh, nevertheless , i completely agree. i myself read, but that zhizinsky was afraid of just such a development of events. we are now really watching about ukrainian propagandists, like andrei piontkovsky. they even said that he sold out, that you sold out the last year of your life. to putin excuse me, but we are really witnessing now the renaissance and the russian idea the revival of russian

identity the revival of russia as a great power takes place before the assembly, if you want, russia is in many ways sobering up and understanding what i am, who russia should be in this world, and who can can't trust communism ? what are our real relations with western countries, who are our friends, and who are our opponents in the international arena and really happening, and an even closer association, and those citizens who live with russia in russia and russian elites with a country with a country with russia with a russian idea, and with a real e, if you want russia , i remembered a telling example of the opposite i said that many representatives of the russian opposition associate themselves with the west. and the example

that i think is very illustrative. this is the former first e, minister of foreign affairs, e of post-soviet russia andrei vladimirovich kozyrkov, and who one of his statements really resonated with me. he scolded trump very strongly. why? because kozyrev already lived in america as an american pensioner in the city of miami and cursed russia, but you know, i have to argue with you, like, i'm talking to you. he, of course, was a pensioner specific on a very good american content. that's for sure. so. so he said, you know, i was always sure that america is on the right side of history, the former foreign secretary said russia and donald trump, uh, made me doubt that. here's what else, as it were, what other examples can there be about how similar people are, and not really connected with russia? you

have been teaching mgimo for a long time recently by stalin . we said something that you object to. i rather smiled at dmitry’s words that andrey kozyrev condemns donald trump, in itself, you can put in quotation marks and uh hmm, how young people like to say use it as a meme, and if we talk about the mood of the youth, then i can tell you what it is? a very good and interesting experience for me is how for the dean to work with the next generation of our diplomats, guys who find themselves at the very beginning of their life journey, knowing that they will have a few more years of training as future international affairs officers and diplomats. they are witnessing the main military-political crisis of the generation and of course, as for all young people

in our country. uh, the revelation of this developmental crisis has brought some unease . feeling of uncertainty. but now i see it with satisfaction, you note that the guys look at what is happening as an opportunity to become actors in one of the largest historical processes since the 21st century and what do they know? already for the time being, from the courses of history and from the courses of applied analysis of international relations from the courses that e, an understanding of the russian strategy of its deep tradition educates in them. they know that the crisis is for our country. it is always a time of opportunity. this is a reload strategic grounds. this is a return to the origins of our culture of strategic thinking. this always gives an impetus such as an influx of fresh blood and an impetus to very energetic action in

this complex international environment. and many of our alumni. whom i specifically now invite to communicate with students. they kindly envy them and say that they know that you will be the protagonists of this new environment and, uh, if even there 10 years ago someone could say, well, now everything will be stable and now everything will be so predictable that there is no way to really express yourself there is no way to and after all the world. here is some such strategic success for you by the way. doste will be from your efforts from your energy from your charge of motivation. it will be words. e andrey kozyrev from miami warm in american retirement, of course, everyone is perceived with great humor and skepticism. and when they see successful e russian diplomats in front of them, who are the face of our diplomatic service, our intercity residents, who successfully protect the interests of our country and andrei kozyreva,

who enjoys miami and tries to make fun of trump, of course, the distance between these two phenomena is grandiose. and i see that the younger generation is making the right assessments. well, to uh defend america's honor and show that what's doing today is what's happening today with american foreign policy. this is not the only possible option. let's hear from another american president. and what did he say? and what did he say about ukrainian nationalism. let's listen to the first president. freedom is not the same as independence americans will not support those who seek independence in order to replace the tyranny imposed from afar by local despotism. they will not help those who encourage suicidal nationalism, born of ethnic hatred. well, america is

far from this lha, but you know, of course, that american history works on the principle of a pendulum, the pendulum has moved in one direction and in my opinion, it is very far from a great danger to the world and to america. i think that there is a very real possibility that as we approach the 24 year presidential election, and the wise words, and george w. american politics. and it seems to me that moscow will be ready for such a turn of events. dmitry, i completely share. uh, your hope, but in order for the united states to seriously remember and listen to the words of george w. bush should successfully and complete the ukrainian company.

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bets will be accepted instantly the whole fairy tale of the championship in the winline application. the big game is on the air. simultaneously with the hybrid war against russia, the united states continues its confrontation with china and conducts a comprehensive war against china. the policy of containment both in the military and informational and political and, most importantly, in technological terms. let me remind you that back in october , the biden administration introduced the most stringent, and sanctions against china, the most stringent restrictions, but on interaction with china in the field of chips, and in the video, restrictions against 31 chinese companies, including the largest manufacturer of smice chips, and so today, uh, china gave a response hall. e in this chip war, first of all.

it is known that the chinese government intends to invest 1 trillion yuan in the development of the semiconductor industry. this is about 143 billion dollars for. the next 5 years and this is about twice as much. and what do they want to invest in the production of chips and semiconductors in the united states , the united states, because in accordance with the so-called, but the chip act. uh, chip ect. uh, biden administrations, they want to put in about $77 billion chinese $143 billion second, and today china filed a lawsuit uh against the united states in the world trade organization, but again connected. this is with the same semiconductor and chip war, and china is blaming it for good reason. uh, the united states in violation of the market conditions of trade, well-known american economists. uh,

the nobel laureate in economics, the semi-circleman believes that, of course, the united states will ignore this lawsuit and will not comply with the decision in the end, if it is, and then this is fraught with, and even faster destruction of the rules of world trade and the advent of an era of protectionism. here. listen the us has introduced new rules aimed at restricting china's access to advanced semiconductor technology. that is, we intend to seek to limit the technological potential of china, it is easy to imagine china going to the wto claiming that these actions violate the rules of international trade, but the united states made it clear in advance that they did not care. they believe that this policy is in her jurisdiction of the wto. but if the united states, which essentially created and post-war trading system, is ready to violate the rules for achieve their strategic goals. does

n't this threaten to strengthen protectionism all over the world? oleg borisovich well, first of all, how do you assess the prospects for the world trading system of rights or about the krugman that we are on the threshold. i will remind you of the new great protectionism that in the interwar period , protectionism is precisely the dominance of protectionism that is considered one of the causes of the second world war. and secondly, how do you assess, uh, chinese steps, here in the field of this semiconductor industry, well dmitrievich quite rightly noted that that i do not think that china in general really hopes that before somehow help to resolve this issue moreover, well, chdk she is the faculty of international economic relations, it is clear that a lot of work was done on international economic organizations. unfortunately, i must state that international economic organizations, like political ones, are largely an organization. well, they are not in the best shape now, but, in fact, this is a manifestation of such a global systemic crisis in the economy of the organization, they have ceased to perform this function of solving these

disputes. yes, no matter what decision the wto makes now, it will be in the direction of china, or most likely somehow. in general, uh, there uh, there will be another solution. a. in general, it won't really do anything. and as justice that you noted, this will only lead to further destruction will show that even such respected organizations as the wto and others. they simply cease to cope with the solution of global ones. err problems regarding china's action and here are the investments you mentioned. well, china understands perfectly well that it needs to move. independently and develop the high-tech industry, regardless of what the world community thinks and so on, because china, as we know, thinks in terms of not one or two years, and for decades and centuries it perfectly understands which technologies, how many digital end-to-end and so on technologies, the future and as a matter of fact, it has been stubbornly hitting for more than a year now at this very point about protectionism. well protectonism. he already observes many other things. just modern

protectionism. it doesn't look like what we saw in twentieth century, and this is a certain. well, if you like, a mixture of political measures of pure economic er, some aspects of domestic economic policy. foreign economic policy, well, yes, we definitely observe protectionism, but another question is that this is protectionism. it is already brewing with such an increase in regionalism of this localization. yes, there. what is being talked about a lot now, and that's it. this, of course, will soon form a fundamentally new picture of the world, so the big ones are absolutely right. but calling it like this. well let's call it neo-protectionism. well, the confrontation with china and russia has indeed become the core of american foreign policy. this can be seen in the example of us policy not only in relation to china and russia itself, but also in relation to third countries. uh, the same saudi arabia and again a plus. and the fact that saudi arabia did not receive it, as the united states dictated to it, was assessed in the white house as that saudi arabia sided with russia,

made a choice in favor of russia online in russian yes, that is, she joined the russian alliance said then, corinne-jean pierre e, the official press secretary of the white house. and that is, whoever is not with us is immediately against us, and this, by the way, is not the first time in american foreign policy. i also remember the behavior of the bush administration after the september 11th event, when the united states also said who did not support us in our war against international terrorism. he is automatically on the side of al-qaeda, and today in washington e starts. uh, very important united states summit, a three-day us africa summit, and this bloc approach. yes , the approach of whoever is not with us is against us is fully reflected in this event, indeed, for the first time. uh, in the united states, a summit with african countries, the

previous one took place under obama in 2014, and washington 49 arrives. violation of human rights, namely they were not invited to this summit, but the result, it must be said, was not long in coming, the leaders of south africa and zimbabwe themselves refused to come, so, but the american wasteton post does not hide, that the main imperative is the main leitmotif. at this same meeting, try to attract african countries to the side of the united states against russia and against china, so the biden administration will try to convince african countries that , of course, the food crisis is to blame russia that russia is to blame for the energy crisis

and in general it is necessary, so to speak, to refuse partnership with russia and, uh, to join the united states. but the same in general. boss writes that this is doomed to failure and that over the ukraine conflict, uh, very serious differences between the united states and most african countries, listen african leaders made it clear to white house and administration officials that they just want an end to the war said on condition of anonymity, a high-ranking official familiar with the discussions. he stated that the parties disagree on what tactics to use to reach a settlement of the conflict, africans want to see a diplomatic solution to this conflict. we are, in general, too, but we adhere to the approach that nothing about ukraine is solved without ukraine, the official said, disagreements arise when some countries express concern about sanctions and criticism of russia,

which, in their opinion, make it difficult to find a diplomatic solution, the creation of a broad the global coalition in support of ukraine is one of the main foreign policy achievements of baidan. well, african countries are constantly among the dissenters, arguing that they are suffering from the most severe consequences of the conflict and do not see much benefit in angering russia without worrying. well, really, uh, the vast majority are african. countries vote neutrally, and on anti-russian resolutions, and some are against it, do you think biden will succeed at this summit? and what is considered success some kind of expression there, i i don't know, at least the adoption of a joint declaration. there is no condemnation of russia, a declaration condemning russia is certainly to be achieved. i don't think it's possible in this format. and you can get a declaration. i think not necessarily this is a document or is it just a series

of some statements with a condemnation of the war, as such , with a condemnation of the conflict with condemnation of those relationships that generally led to this, but u imposing responsibility and even more so, even the blame on russia uh this is what the western countries are after, but uh suddenly outside of the western communities. and it doesn't find any. ah, support. not so long ago, we did a study on reports in egemo, published a report, where is it very much? clearly, they clarified and showed for themselves that a-a significant part of the world, and c, to one degree or another, even to a large extent condemns the conflict, as such, the world does not like that this is happening at all, but does not want to lay responsibility, uh- e for this conflict on russia

, unfortunately, it so happened that in the first week of the conflict in the united states, it was possible, push through the general assembly. and the resolutions, where these two issues were mixed, that they don’t like the conflict and the imposition of responsibility on russia , unfortunately, this is uh. so they managed to fix uh, and then, as you know, there were difficult negotiations. how to reflect this in the uh document following the g20 summit and referred to one of those resolutions, but the true uh opinion of the world majority was shown by the resolution that was not adopted, but it was the resolution that was discussed . e. this spring in the general assembly and there it is very clear that these two issues are divided by the conflict, they don’t like it, but russia is not responsible, and

almost all those who abstained under other resolutions and many of those who voted against russia on other resolutions voted for this resolution they abstained in this resolution, but american diplomacy made simply incredible efforts to overwhelm this resolution with a very strange number of votes, 66. there were simply a lot of abstentions as a result. e, like a third of e, state from even less than a third. uh, a third of the votes were given to the resolution to fill up, that is, with all sorts of technical ones, as if by its method it was possible to bring down, but it showed the true opinion. most people, yes, they don’t like the conflict, they don’t like the conflict, there’s nothing to hide here, because it has led to such turbulence in world affairs that non-african state non-asian states don’t like, but they

don’t support westerners at all, who start pointing fingers and say, here for this means to punish russia here, they say no. sorry. here are two different questions. yes , they say they don't like it. the conflict is automatically attributed to the fact that he doesn't like the policy of the west that led to this conflict. what made it inevitable was rather the position. you know what these countries are like, and they are less willing to go into the causes of the conflict, but they don’t like how the west has used this conflict, that the west has used what, from the point of view of the world majority, looks like a regional geopolitical mess that they don’t have at all should concern the fact that it has been turned into a global geo-economic one. stabilization this is what the african state and dozens of other states do not like, that is, they are not so much interested in the reasons. how many of them are interested in how the western countries used the

regional geopolitical conflict to inflate global economic instability. here it is and here. of course, of course, but the question immediately arises about the amount of assistance that the west provides to africa, including countries that suffered in e, during conflicts. ta ethiopia is the democratic republic of the conga, e., the central african republic, and so on. and what kind of money is allocated to ukraine, yes. but if congress approves $37 billion, which is another tranche that, uh, the biden administration requested, then the total amount, and only american assistance to ukraine alone this year, will be about $100 billion. african countries have never seen such volumes at all. uh, funding and assistance from the united states, zelensky is asking the west for one trillion

dollars, and there are already african states, former colonies. they look at this white world and say, wow. to this geopolitical suicide bomber. it means that a trillion is possible, but everyone understands that this, of course, is a lie, there will not be a trillion, but even the very fact that it is being discussed, and they are doomed to e, it means that they are trying to doom them to poverty. and now they offer to be content with dinners and beautiful speeches. and of course they don't like it. that sanctions war that the west is conducting, because the strike, the reason for the strike on african countries are precisely the sanctions war of the west, and against russia and the africans are beautiful to see that the west really made the war against russia a global war against russia from the ukrainian conflict and, uh, the african countries definitely do not want to participate in the war against russia. but also, apparently, african countries do not want to participate in the war

against china, uh, oleg borisovich really, and the americans themselves admit that anti-chinese, uh, narrative is the second goal uh of this african summit usa africa china on today has become a major trading partner for most african countries. uh, the united states has also stepped up its african policy recently published, and the strategy for africa and sub-saharan africa. biden. by the way, in anticipation of this, the us africa itself supported, uh, the chinese idea that the african union, but entered the g20 as a separate member. but, but what do you think? will the united states succeed in moving china? in africa, no, it will definitely not succeed. i'm with let me tell you a little story just a couple of years ago. i had a student from africa. a very talented guy, and, well, the most. here is such an ordinary, well, talented

child who made his way to russia memon. and you know, he told a story that i remember for the rest of my life, and he, well, i'm quoting the following. he says, here is my mother. he says the poorest woman in the village. here she has nothing. she says no. there is no electricity. no refrigerator, tv. there's something else there lists. he says, as he put it, when the chinese came. my mother is still the poorest woman in the village, but now she has a refrigerator, tv and electricity, why this story we are taught two things. the first concept is relative poverty, and the second is that china is what china is doing today for africa. yes, this is both investment and workers. well, there are two kinds of jobs there, and a lot of them rush to work, but nonetheless. and yes, education. this is something that europeans and americans have not done for either nineteenth. there is a century not in the twentieth century. yes, only the soviet union at one time. we remember that humanitarian aid is there. there, we built a lot for them and so on, well, times have changed now. so, accordingly, that is, what china is doing for africa, i repeat. this is something that the

americans are not even going to. and of course, i 'm very glad that this topic was raised at all. what else do african countries fear. they understand very well. okay? today you are imposing sanctions on russia, inflate it was absolutely right said to inflate this colossal kit. and tomorrow you, well, conditionally, ethiopia will not like it, and the day after tomorrow, south africa will do something wrong there. well , russia is powerful, we have accumulated this colossal reserve. strength. we see how it works now. they call us the fortress of russia and correctly call let them be afraid. but the african countries will not be able to resist. yes, these countries are unfortunate countries, again it was said that are in poverty in poverty does not see this help. there's at best some part and in continuation, by the way, the theme of aggression by international organizations. well let's help these unfortunate african children. so on, raise their economy. help them create a democratic institution. no, answer. you want to use them as a political game in a political game , you want them to vote correctly in london. therefore, i think that all these streams of the united states

will lead to nothing, because i want to remind you that what is really needed now africa is economic growth development economic assistance. they offer only strange political chimeras. here africa is a very important part of the world majority of 54 countries for 54 states. but when we say the world's majority, we mean not only the number of population, but also the number of countries really. here africa is a very important component and one very important indicator and, er, a characteristic of this world majority in the field of international politics. it is not a desire to join blocks to antagonistic blocks. no desire, in particular, to consolidate around the united states against china against russia africa - this is very clearly demonstrated and a. in this regard, even some american experts say that if the united states continues to force other countries to choose sides to join american blocs, then the united states

will eventually lose, that it is necessary to change its policy. this is the opinion, in particular , held by the former senior director for middle east affairs at the national security council of the united states during the bush jr. administration, and now the managing director michael singh, director of the washington institute for middle east policy. listen to an excerpt from his article. since coming to power, the biden administration has often taken a binary view of the international order, as a competition between democracy and autocracy. according to its national security strategy until 2022 , partly because of this, washington tends to consider any decisions of its allies as a litmus test of loyalty to the united states. but many us partners do not share the vision the united states is going through a period of changing international priorities. and this does not leave their partners even the slightest bit of confidence that those regions or

problems that washington has focused on today will keep its interests. tomorrow or that state support in any particular issue will be reciprocated in other issues as a result, an increasing number of american partners tend not to choose sides at all and maintain relations with all the great powers at once. instead of creating competing order of an increasing number of states. they simply reject the binary world order, or at least seek to avoid its limitations and consequences, by keeping one foot in the us-led camp and the other in russia and china-led multilateral institutions. andrey andreevich, as you use the uh term, became multilateral joiners. i liked it very much in english. that sounds like a smart elindomt.

multilateral, joined yes or many, joined as well as a bright characteristic of the current state of international relations. and what do you think, will the united states follow the advice, and mr. singh, well, it is useful that in the american discussion in the more mainstream publications with e, materials appear where the risks of polycentricity for the united states are carefully considered and the fact that it wears a process and recovery is completely objective . this is not a hypothesis. this is not an invention. is not came out thinking, as they often tried to present it, but an absolutely natural process, reflecting the desperation of the interests of most countries of the world, and i believe that the united states itself became one of the main actors that gave rise to these impulses for the eccentricity of sovereignty strategic autonomy among countries of the world, including their allies, may be at the current

historical stage other than europeans. but thinking about the arab allies of the united states and turkey and pakistan, a very specific american e an ally that is not in the format of a military alliance relationship. and we see that these are countries that, firstly, already have a significant track record of negative relations with the united states and have watched how they cannot focus long-term attention on one goal for a long time. and 20 years ago in 2003, the entire middle east was shaken from here this military act in the united states who were firmly convinced that now the race is forever. they will change not only geography, but also refute the laws of politics the nature of history and so on. uh, enthusiasm from chak at a certain point, the united states was forced to leave this region sometimes, as we saw from kabul

, the footage was accompanied by a heartbreaking spectacle, uh, and it was quite reminiscent of the withdrawal of american troops from saigon after the end of the vietnam war and themselves something the united states has toured and left, but for the local countries geography is destiny. uh-huh and they are forced to discover international relations from the applied side. they are from american textbooks and realize that she the reason for the investigative connection looks like a conflict with a neighbor. it's bad to look for. uh, it means mutual understanding with the enemy, you need to think about what a stable security system in the region might look like, given that the americans have such a blinking attention, they can not focus it on one point all the time for a long time. so they switch it. well, saudi arabia, in principle, the arab countries. counting school they see now who they see and the main trading partner . from which side can we expect a predictable

long term policy? this is china, this is russia, this is eurasia as a whole, countries that do not interfere in their internal affairs, do not teach them how to live, but are strange, who are interested in the opinion of raids and other regional capitals, who see them as partners, equals, who form a trusting atmosphere, and this is in stark contrast to this united states mentor notation of what the world looks like. so there is the right side of history, we all go there cheerfully. where is your flag? get your rings next and 1 2 this, of course, does not work at all in the current international environment. well, russia understands this very well, and it does not require, but from the countries of the world 's majority to make an unambiguous choice. and we just now understand that this is omni joining or set and joining, this is e. er, well, actually a fundamental feature of, uh, world majority politics. look at india, on the one hand, it cooperates with the united

states within the framework of the quat; on the other hand, it is a member of the brix , a member of the sco; political relations with russia turkey , while remaining a nato country, is very intensively increasing cooperation with russia, participating together with russia and iran in the astana format, and so on and so forth. and so, and here is the multiple accession of participation in different formats. eh, this is exactly what it seems to me will determine the face of e world order within the framework of the world majority. uh, in the coming, and the century to the united states. it's very hard to accept, because they really profess principle, whoever is not with us is against us, we will now stop for a few moments, and then we will talk with mgimo experts in the world minority, namely europe, and

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