do not let go a little they will be the best support for you. my heart hurts overnight. why should they wander among strangers? why don't you let the girls even talk to their parents on the phone, they are police officers in prison. it's a shame. it's a shame to be like you, here sits, my dear, grandmother. but you never know who she is, because she is sick with a foster mom, you are on good terms, but i consider her a pretty decent girl, very injured and beaten.

she came to us. why doesn't she want to did the children interact with you? good evening in the big game the most dangerous criminal on planet earth is the merchant of death how does the american media present him ? and the most famous political prisoner in the united states of america, as he is known throughout the rest of the world, viktor bout and his wife alla boots are again in our studio, very glad to see you. good evening good evening. well, what did you manage to sleep yes, you finally managed and

managed to wake up with the feeling that you are already at home, that you are already in your homeland, everything is already there there is a feeling of home. yes, there is already a feeling of home, there is already a feeling that it carried. and you already believed that the husband returned home of this happy moment of this time. yes, that is, it was very hard this week here. how would you orient yourself like that, really, not true, yes, touch, touch? yes , this is the real one at home, yes, now everything has more or less stabilized. well, that's it. the main thing is that there is already a feeling at home, that everything is in order and everything is behind and vice versa, everything is ahead, first of all, a story about how it all happened uh, in our last broadcast 2 days ago, we spoke in sufficient detail about the circumstances. uh, well, in your work on the african continent , the circumstances of the detention of what was happening

in thailand where actually for almost two plus years. uh, the american intelligence services, law enforcement agencies, the american state machine tried to extract you and deliver to the united states, and they managed to do it, and here you are in the united states of america and in the united states of america there is already a company about that the most dangerous person on planet earth has been brought in. so you feel that he is really in danger, something serious, yes, that is , when you were brought there to the united states , there was a feeling that, well, it really is very dangerous. well, i don't feel like that, it wasn't like that. it just felt like they were filming a movie. well, but you were made

an actor without your consent, right after the plane landed, they took you to some hangar, they began to search it with such, uh, predilection and playing the good bad cop. after that, you were taken out and put in such an armored car. you know, uh, as they show in iraq against suddenly no one blowing it up or something, but it was lucky that the weather was bad, otherwise they would have taken me to the prison by helicopter, but the weather was non-flying, so they put me in this car was put on a helmet on his head so that he apparently did not jump or fight from behind. here the doors are closed. here in this military armored car they took me to the prison. well, it was clear, of course, you know very few of these huge blocks. the high-rise buildings drove, probably,

for about an hour and reached the end to here is manhatman, and there and there it was already night, probably about an hour or even 1:30 i was again changed into some kind of given, you know, such an orange, and overalls. so they took us to this cell, uh- huh. here they closed. and in principle, everything, as if i had already stayed there even after you were in the cell. uh, that's before the first interrogation or some kind of action. how much time has passed was not , the next day i again. oh, by the way, with it's already 8 o'clock in the morning, and the same agents took me away again, because they had to bring me to court. so they put me back in. again they dressed me in the same clothes in which i flew in, and put me in this minivan without a military vehicle. well , literally, the court even had, so to speak, such a

tunnel connecting the court with the prison, but for some reason they brought me by car around the block and brought me to the court. there, they brought me to the office from this public lawyer. and we sat somewhere, probably for an hour and a half. after that it started first court session. it's clear e. well, at that time, i can say in moscow thank god that no, i’m not in moscow victor thank god i didn’t see all this hysteria that arose, uh, in the american media at that time i was still in thailand, which means that victor was taken out. uh, end of november. here it is 2 days later. i went to take his things to the prison. that is, it was a suitcase, and there were books and some personal things. they are still here. uh, they were handed over to me, and when i, let's say, where i lived, there is not far from the prison and a small studio. this suitcase has been opened. i probably sat in shock, probably for an hour, because i saw, and

neatly pedantically folded things. that is, what i was able to convey to victor. there are some spices, tea bags, porridge, something like that, it was so packed with a rubber band, and that's it. so here it is, something not laid out with notes. that is, i realized that he realizes that he will be taken out the next morning, and he no longer has any options and chances. he spent the whole night packing. here these here, and the remnants of those products that he gave me socks and sneakers. well, maybe i thought so, because it was all difficult. i don't know, that is. i was just so shocked that they laid everything like that, and they gave everything to me like that, and then i had to, of course, after they took him out. so we never managed to see him, because for us for everyone it was a complete surprise, including for representatives of the russian embassy in thailand so the consul and i were just supposed to visit victor on that day and i learn that

victor is already being taken to the airport again from journalists. that is, we no longer have time with the consul. we fly there by car, we fly there, and with such an impudent smirk they say to me, well, your husband was taken away. and well, we went, of course, to the airport, and when we arrived there, it was already clear that victor was no longer there and again, thai journalists came up to me and very delicately said sorry, like alla sorry , but, like, we managed to get him there see and you already, no matter how you see him, so this whole story ends in thailand, so i had about a month to get together in thailand, that is. well, indeed it was very hard. eh, morally understanding that, well, some other one would have begun. yes life, another story, that is, the thai story ends the american story begins. this is a completely different story, a completely different world, and in general everything is different. i had to mentally gather myself to find the strength to pack my things, because i also lived there 2

1/2 year. at the very least. here and something there, i had some things accumulated, i had to pack. i just didn't have the energy to pack my things . i finally fly to moscow in mid-december, then i leave for st. petersburg and, despite and when victor already met the american federal protection, let's say there, and the lawyer called me and said alla without our permission. you, please, do not fly to the usa with your family. that's when we give you, good. then you will arrive well, let's talk about this a little later. that's really this episode. yes, packed things that the wife and supposedly receive. you before, how to leave the prison devoted all night to pack, how was it? i flew to thailand understandably. he was already then no there. no, not just there some were his. yes, but he was not in my cell either. he was so to speak. e in the cell. there storage downstairs it was

never allowed. if i needed something, and they could take me to him. i could open it, and in the box were your things before. from the camera, but it's them, apparently they themselves, then they already packed it, because see, see, here it turns out that you made it up, what really, uh, victor was packing . we didn't have time here in the studio to change our real impressions. since yours are different, but uh, for sure. all of you have seen this program 60 minutes in general in america, uh, this is the most popular show, yes, there is. and in this show you are being accused as a dangerous criminal in the united states by your wife. naturally, the dangerous criminal's son himself wrote about the plot they persuaded me to give an interview. we wrote 3 hours of broadcast, and in bangkok before i flew away, and to

moscow and they promised me an oath that there was some kind of plot, and in these 60 minutes of my interview in this program, my opinion, yes, some victoria my well, so to speak, but they get up as a result of nothing. there was, of course, nothing. it is american normal practice to ask the person the program has not seen. i only have a lawyer later brought directly. uh, deciphering this program, of course i was surprised. well we now let's try to show you a fragment of this program. uh, i'll ask the uh, studio to get her ready, but you say lawyer. here is, uh, the country of defense as it was presented. in your case, who is it, as i have already settled on what led to this public defender. it was again the notorious sabrina shorov, who is known in all these circles precisely because she always persuades clients to make a deal with a tear. but

she, too, has been around since november, as i was brought before january and in january 10 january 11, when we began to change lawyers to change lawyers, because it was already clear that she was playing on the side of the prosecution, not on my side. yeah, but from the side of our embassy consulate. you felt supported. yes, because literally the next day there was already a consular visit. we have already met, as it were, already asked the consul general of new york himself. so i'm very grateful. and in general, at the time when i was in new york, in general, they tried to visit me almost every week, it was very important significant support, so to speak, a sign of attention, and they explained a lot to me a lot. they helped me a lot. and you have already managed to force this advocacy or already with the next one, that is, you flew to the united states of her councils, it’s just

that victor’s mother and i could still, as it were, but more or less for health reasons, she could endure this flight. and my daughter and i decided that we were all flying together and would not even listen. we just took tickets for the second of january of the eleventh year without any, so to speak, agreements with federal protection and we're flying into new york. naturally, the consulate general in new york was notified of this. and uh, this one happened very much like that. uh, let's say, well, a funny shock story in quotation marks, that is, aeroflot planes land in new york. and of course, everything is already, well, there is taxiing, which means to this pipe. and so everyone has already jumped up. and somewhere in our place at the end of the 10 o'clock flight, everyone was tired. mom's legs hurt. everyone's back hurts. he is such in the hope that we will now go out, as if us representatives of the consulate general were supposed to meet, and we will go, as it were, we will be answered. eh, where we stop. so there is such a

hitch on the plane and suddenly, and the commander of the ship blames the families, and announces that he tells the buta family to get off the plane, and it’s impossible to get out, because the passages are all closed, and we understand that we have , thank god, nobody knows. i say we are silent, it's not us, well, just yes, and we are waiting for some kind of movement to begin and, uh, at some point they began to release the commander of the ship says, please, get your passports ready. and then i hear such, and, apparently, our compatriots who live. uh, all the time in america they start. what is a passport check? what in general? uh, from what inside there was never such a passport on an airplane and there were representatives of the special services, but directly, and when they exit the plane, everyone’s passports are checked. and when the turn came to us, it just takes us by the hand. i say mom can't walk. please help, let's not go too fast. after that, of course, no one has a passport check. uh, everyone is free to go out and they took us and we spent. ah, at the airport. well, let's say mother and

lisa were not touched with their daughter. and they kept me, that is, we were all together separately. so, i was interrogated by the special agent of the e-service. he even gave me a business card, he asked me all sorts of questions, if interested, of course, i can voice it. what exactly are many. what for example, well listen. and for example, in what countries we were. i say you know, here i have a passport in russia, this is an official document. you open it and look. i have a view there are visas. that is, without you, i can’t go anywhere else. that is, here is what is noted there, which means that i was there. that is, i can’t tell you anything else , please invite lawyers from the russian consulate. if this is an interrogation, then we will talk to you separately, and then please give me a drink, because for 4 hours we have already been sitting, that is, as if there is no water. i hardly persuaded them to identify me, at least there with such a fantasy to sign, it means that they they do, but it turned out such a situation that i just flew in from bangkok immediately almost

flew to new york. that is, i did not have time to disassemble the suitcase and all the things that remained there. i just changed, say, summer to winter, and there were some old documents i had left, and in the bag, probably, an old notebook, where i still kept such mm. ah, yes, there is a tradition. yes trams trolleybuses happy ticket. and i had such folded bundles of lucky tickets there. i think that's when it's time here i am eat it, there will be misfortune, so they take it all and begin to photocopy it all in front of me. uh, there's a lot of rubbish in the women's bag. well, to some extent. here they are, so that's it. here's a photocopied of some i don't need this take it if you need it, please take it, they say no. it's yours, it lasted about 2 hours. they gave it all back to me. i say, thank you for cleaning my bag, i expose it by slopping a bucket that was there in the warehouse. that's all there. i say, here is a gift for you from me. here, well, and all sorts of other questions, they say if you suddenly want to talk to me there. here is our visiting card for you, and i imagine 8 hours to go, but they can’t exceed seven. keep, well, according to the rules, yes, otherwise, in principle,

we should already be deported back to russia and when we already left, and such an attitude, and you are the wife of a terrorist, that is, they say to your mother, you are there too, you are all terrorists, that is it is specific. i'm just saying, wait, it wasn't here. how can you say such things to me that we are terrorists to him, in in general, i see terrorists because they watch television, and on television the most popular program is 60.000, and in this program 60 minutes is just right, if you have not seen anything, look here. in my eyes, one of the worst people in the world without a doubt, mike brown, the former chief of operations of the us drug enforcement administration, told us that viktor bout first came to the fore in war-torn west africa in the late eighties, he fomented conflict with a machete and single shot rifles

ak-47 not in thousands, but in tens of thousands. that is, he supplied weapons to civil wars. in africa, he turned these young warriors into cunning maniacal killing machines that operated with the efficiency of an assembly line. now a 43-year-old native of the soviet republic of tajikistan, man of the riddle, who, according to unconfirmed information, served in the soviet air force and intelligence, is being tried by the united states on four charges related to terrorist activities, including conspiracy to kill us citizens that this is his threat to the united states, he is a gray eminence he steals not only certain terrorist groups of militant groups, but he also supplies weapons to a very powerful drug cartel around the world. this is just the beginning of the program. and then here's a whole program in the same in the same spirit. it's clear that everyone was watching it. yes? it is clear that this is preparation for a judicial, as it were

, impartial trial, which, in theory , should be, but viktor does not see anything. thank god you didn't see it. yes, but it was clear, again, you see absolutely. uh, unreasonable no facts were given for the accusations, especially since the american intelligence services have always been praised for their technical means. they could at least, if there was some kind of fact, naturally they would have twisted it, there were no facts. however, again since the late eighties. come on, machete probably doesn’t need to be transported to africa, there are a lot of them themselves, and everything else is lord if we say, in fact. file your indictment again, why uh there uh first charge is uh conspiracy to kill americans in bangkok, the question was raised by the judge, but he was not going to go there, but it doesn’t matter. since he

talked with those who were from colombia, and the pure fact that he agreed to talk with them indicates that he is plotting, because these weapons will be used, allegedly in order to kill those americans who, for example, , and there in columns. let's wait, there was another question. and what do they do? citizens in colombia and we, by the way, raised this issue with the consulate. we asked for a consulate in colombia and the availability of american i was told there are no citizens of colombian territory. there are mercenaries and there are instructors. there, american citizens in colombia are in charge of colombia there, by the way, until recently there were only right-wing governments, only about american ones, and now here are the first governments. not very pro-american, but not anti-american, here are monuments to two accusations of killing american citizens. this is the so-called hook, on which the

coat is hung without it. the whole ad would fall apart, so this is the main technique when the american authorities want to close someone down and for a long time they always insert accusations not just of terrorism, but of conspiracy to kill. it 's a completely different attitude. this is a completely different option. by the way, from the theory from the accusation of a conspiracy. well, some legal protection. justified from the practice of us jurisprudence no, well, uh, your words were in the media. and the fact that they demanded from you compromising evidence on the top russian leadership on putin and so on. here you are quoted. here i am quoting from the artist. uh, the offer came during the court hearings of the trial through an appointed lawyer, i was hinted that we would provide a residence permit for you and your family and help you get settled here in exchange for compromising information about putin and corrupt regimes. i replied that

i did not and could not have such information about putin and explained that this deal was offered to the wrong person, just there were recruiting approaches. yes, this was just done, through the same public defender sabrina shromov, who came to me and so to speak for a long time, but i tried to say so e to talk on this topic, she began to explain, she began to speak, that's it, the conversation was arranged on e, consisting. i stayed with her, that is, she was on behalf of the special services and, by the way, she is known in circles that she works for the special services, despite the fact that she is a public defense, and besides her there were attempts. no, there were no other attempts. and you had such approaches. i say we had one single story, when, uh, apparently, this situation was somehow exaggerated. yes and agree victor is practically with us. we flew in for a month, they didn't let us in at all when we arrived. she said, i did not invite you, that is, in order to now, and for you to make a visit to the vector in prison. i need to apply

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the big game viktor anatolyevich buty alla yuryevna will be we continue the conversation about this most amazing story, uh, of the 21st century, the detention of a man who was declared the most dangerous criminal on planet earth and who in everything world recognized as a political prisoner of the xxi century. e, victor vas e, you were kept in solitary confinement all the time. and it was one prison, or they constantly changed the place of detention, what happened here, the mtc is considered to combine two functions, it’s like our pre-trial detention center and there is some small contingent there who is serving their sentence, so there immediately after the end of the trial before

the verdict itself, and my advocacy filed a complaint in court, why am i still stuck in these strict conditions in solitary confinement? how would the punishment cell actually yes the whole uh, that is, this is really, as it shows now it was like this, uh, the concrete bed is of exactly such a plan. here, yes. it looks like it, of course, not the same camera. here, nevertheless , after the lawyers filed this complaint, the judge called the prison, called our lawyers. even brought to mind. e me there, and she specifically said. e from uh prosecutor, resolve this issue. if you don't decide for yourself, then tomorrow. i'll issue an order then, uh, or uh, make a decision, but they never did . although uh, when she asked, and the director prison was a woman. she began to shout that we could not translate it into a common language. he is a dangerous

criminal. he has great connections. he can organize an escape, he can cause big trouble. yes, in new york, to which the judge said, i was on everything. uh, how i presided over a lawsuit. there is no data, he is a normal businessman, so you have to transfer him until tomorrow. or i will order you so to speak, as a result. they waited until she ordered me two lieutenants. so to speak, come took away packed put in the car. they were two with machine guns, which really made me laugh, they put me in such a typical policeman, and the car is, uh, in which the back seat is fenced with such a lattice, yes, and you can’t open it yourself, as if the door was transported to a prison across the hudson river in brooklyn uh, in another such center too. it is very huge, and the order center for 4,500 prisoners, it was relatively recently built and i was placed there. the so-called

general regime, but the department was for psychological sick uh-huh, that is, in the same department there was a so -called department where they are placed. those who should be under surveillance because they might commit suicide, but it's downstairs, and there were 35 people. i had a cellmate, and most of these 35 people had different psychologists. ah, mental illness. as a rule, they woke up somewhere for dinner, they were given again. uh, they took their pills and fell asleep again. that is, like this one, that is, uh, in america everyone practices very well, if you want this pills, and you'll sleep so to speak. do n't notice anything like that. yes, just in that state of a psychologist. e was directly had an office in this, how to say department. he came in the morning, if someone didn’t like it, he or you

increased the dose of some pills or prescribed others, and how long did they bring in solitary confinement and how much is this, taking into account three months in thailand in complete solitary confinement, and plus two years? almost a year and uh, a year and 4 months in the mission, and then transferred to mdc. i was only there from april to june. that there it turns out april may, well, 3 months and after that i was transferred to prison. mario is in prison. marian was immediately sent to this, too, a prison within a prison, completely closed off from any uh possibilities of communication or visiting other places in the prison. this is a separate block with only about 40 45 of the most dangerous people. well, he was considered a block, uh, by ah-ah communication control, i mean, he's there, of course when i got there, most of the prisoners were arabs. in general, muslims, that

is, out of about 45 people, probably 34 people people were muslims most of them here. supporting arkaid or so to speak of various kinds there are salafists, muslim brothers and other things, and there was a feeling that i was even joking, saying to the local security guard i don’t understand where i ended up and in what plan? i say i feel like i'm in saudi arabia. why yes because at night you wake up from the call to prayer and five times a week five times a day, they are accurate to the second. basically, uh, get together and pray. well , yes, you are also a test. and this is when you first i managed to see my husband already on american american soil this january. eleventh year. we have been waiting for almost a month, but here is the permission to visit. that's it in this special block, where victor was for the time being, and there were hearings in new york before

the verdict was passed, and here, at the same time, how would we constantly communicate. but sabrina and great conversations she, but just tried to come here. through my daughter, that is, she realized that she was useless with me, because i was quite sharp, as it were, for some kind of, and even for small ones, i said, listen me, it's not interesting, and i say, and until victor tells me we have no solutions. we will not accept with our daughter. here, and she had an assistant such a young, very interesting person, which means that lisa was 15 years old, and he invited her. it means to go through manhattan there, it means to treat, as they think. this is some kind of supreme culinary achievement - these are such manhattan coffee houses, where such huge rolls, such as sandwiches with ham , there is something like that, that is, it was such an american tasting, but, and lunch, probably, you can say this is a dinner of american cuisine, and he said, listen, let's

go to the cinema with you and take a walk there? and you really think, do you need to study there? maybe you will stay there we have good universities. you think, uh, as it were, and then over time he suggested saying, listen, lisa, you uh, you can easily uh, not necessarily. she herself is a kistan by nationality. so, uh, you can choose any nationality that you like, so to speak, everything you want will be written in the passport. she says you i want to remain russian on this topic, on this topic they closed. uh, i want to add a little about just, but this prison, to which victor was sent, huh? in fact, there was a big scandal, because we got information that victor was sent to supermax and the judge, passing the verdict, and at the end of the verdict comes, but the judge’s recommendations are obligatory, and the detention regime and in the way that she did not consider victor to be terrorists. she wrote the general content regime. this is approximately how konstantin yaroshenko was. yes, that is, in general, not some kind of super max

, all the more so, which means, of course, after that, but i turned to the russian consultant, turned to lawyers. and all we could do was write a huge petition to appeal to the judge , again there was an additional hearing on the regime of detention. she really invited all representatives of the bureau of theory to representatives of amin yust there, that is, it was closed there. i have a hearing on the regime of detention, where they really said that, so the lawyers just told me what in fact, it was discussed. and that victor is a very strong personality, well, i do not deny it. that's what it takes to protect it very large. potential, uh, additional yes, the guard is not just some kind, but an additional potential, that is, an additional prison resource. that's what he has huge connections and it's quite possible that he will use these connections there to escape in order to attack the prison there, but it's complete nonsense and that's why they wanted to send him to supermax and after that she just said, that i insist on a general regime, but

nevertheless, they still managed, they will still put this block here, but strictly in their communication and control, and we have been suing for almost five or six years. i don’t remember exactly, yes, so that in the same prison he would be transferred from this block to a general regime, where he could at least go out onto the field. just get some fresh air. well actually an amazing story, because everything is evidence base. yes, we talked about this last time and now it was based on the fact that that these planted agents of the united states drug agency testified that you talked to them about the possibility of supplying weapons to colombia? yes, that was the entire evidence base. in fact, everything was built on this. and on the basis of this, the same judge pronounced a sentence, but for 25 years. well , the truth is, now she has a little awakened conscience. she said that perhaps the sentence would be too harsh, but in fact, uh, her statement was.

let's hear what she said now. the other day, literally, the judge, shayden, damn it, let's listen to her, who allegedly sentenced us judge shira shindlin to 25 years, said she considers his sentence too harsh in an interview. after the verdict was passed, schengen admitted that he had a hard time and noted that a 10-year term would be fair. i still think so. i thought he got a very harsh sentence because it was a crime he had no intention of committing. he was contacted. undercover agents. he did not get close to the colombian terrorist organizations. they did not make contact with him. this was set up by the united states government at that time, mr. bout was not engaged in weapons and was not going to deal with a terrorist organization. so because of that, i thought, it's a special circumstance, and i'd give it a shorter time if i could, said the newest schindler . yes, such evidence that if

i could have given a shorter period, but 10 ten still soldered, because well, because why in the case of 10 years in the usa it is considered who is there with this, then there is and when they get 10 years, they kind of exhale and say, well, thank god, at least not in life in life, yes, because in general the deadlines for issuing. here are the sentences, these are the terms that will be appointed. there are simply people who have 400 years, who have three sentences in their lives, that is, a person must die in prison, be born again, live three lives in order to fulfill this punishment. yes, it's really amazing, what can you say, here's the judge, what kind of influence was she under? who dictated to her this federal federal judge. judges are appointed for life, you know, that is, they are in such a privileged cohort, that is, it was the federal court. this is the federal court district of new york. it's called

u.s. district court for the southern district, new york, the southern was heard, like the us government v. victor hmm understandable, i mean, uh, from her point of view, you're also lucky. she could give you five much more anyway, a normal term, which she could give later, she talked a lot about it. this is after she retired from office. she is became a private practicing lawyer. let's say it already. so, not burdened by some state framework, well, official position, let's say so, so she could have some of her own. hmm comments, apparently this is victor's business. yes, the injustice of the verdict and all these years greatly disturbed her, probably, they really interfered with sleep. i guess, because she would hardly have risked it, but for america . yes, you can imagine time passes. she says i gave too much. that is, it is generally unprecedented for a judge to recognize her

sentence, but unjust. it's just that the americans closed this topic altogether, that is, practically her interview. well, she ran a little through the press somewhere and there was no emphasis on it. to give credit to the court that she had such a position, and she openly stated this several times, of course, this does her honor, and she is still a human being. with a capital letter, under the given conditions, it will be decided to say that something. it is in such a situation that, of course, the united states is a brave person. really it's on to have a very big courage to go against this machine in this regard, even she is very grateful. i can also say, sorry, yes, but look at the end of the verdict, and the judge - this is no longer a verdict and not a description of the prosecution. ah, so-called recommendations or opinions. the judges, the so-called opinion of the judge about the case, and which is not necessary to listen to, but nevertheless , it was in this, and her opinion, that she dressed

victor, and she just said that in her opinion he is not a terrorist. but just the very words that she repeated, here, unfortunately, on no one paid any attention to them before. they are specifically in the documents. this is her opinion, dressed. that is, if the americans there had at least begun to replicate it since the twelfth year, then, i think, the image of victor would have changed and broken long ago. here i want to add just to correct the facts. in other words, so to speak, and you will have to do it later. sabrina went to a citizen, usa yes, she is of hindu origin, that is, she was ready to lawyer your originally she was a citizen. no, she was a citizen of india, and farces from bombing. ok then this is her, this is her. yes, this is a modern photograph. probably then she was younger, 14, yes, now she is being offered to lawyers, and george is ukrainian. well, that is, you do not advise. i

definitely. i advise you not to get involved with her, because she absolutely openly works for the government and there will be no interests for us, especially for defending. her task is to specifically talk about cooperation, yes, butchering, and it’s very interesting that in the block in which we were, she was usually. well, those who went through it in new york, almost every second, if not every, uh, well, here you are in solitary confinement , but for a walk. let there with other prisoners communicated before. look, there was a very strict regime in new york. after the trial, they were transferred to this psychological block. a block. yes , after that, in the psychological block, there was already such an uh, the roof was open. with naturally with e. grid of the year. you spent in general you saw daylight only in the courtroom, he even brought him. he squinted from that, but from the fact that in the courtroom

there is a normal daylight everywhere, only this uh fluorescent lamp, and, as it were, you get used to daylight. this, of course, was very lacking. but at least there was a small yard, literally, probably, about 10 meters by 10 meters. but that was already enough for a little sun to get there. and when it was all the time that it was there. i tried to be in the sun, how to catch a little, at least the sun's rays, but with other prisoners, of course, yes. well, most of them are there only, maybe a day in the afternoon, well, four five that are not slept, everyone else just drank, the pills of his pills went to bed. but what kind of relationship did you have with them, they didn’t know you, as the most dangerous criminal on the planet. the land was also kept there. we, as it were, established good relations with one, and the american, by the way, gave him a life sentence. again charged with

conspiracy to kill someone and he tried not only for life, but also death. well the quality, that is, he was there on the appeals, and therefore also interesting was the experience of communication very much. i found out and here it is very important you understand it is impossible. in general, confuse the entire american people with the american government. these are two completely different things. there are a lot of people in america who, uh, know that this is all lies and propaganda, which treat russia very well always treated me well, first of all, of course with interest. well, naturally, that is, they asked me about weapons, as it were, because most of them were veterans, they went through afghanistan they went through what? and iraq. i tell the guys, well, yes, i was an officer in the soviet army, but i don’t deal with weapons and, frankly, i don’t collect them. and of course, it is clear that i can

shoot, but for me it is not a fetish. and like, well, i don't know the difference between those remingtons of yours or what kind of gun you have, you better ask that person. ask me, i'll tell you. here they all giggled and laughed, but often there were normal respectful relations. i tried not to break any rules and hmm and usually how i was all treated. well, well, the most that me on when we were aware, this is the presence of female guards in a male prison, this is such a nightmare that is, firstly, this is unambiguous. and i came across this in moscow, oh in new york, in the ms here in manhattan, that is, just the women's side of the women's guard. this is definitely a biased attitude, it’s some kind of, but how they simply forced us to undress, take off our pectoral cross there. that is, in general, we just ran around there, they kicked us out to buy special underwear. well there

bras are different. in general, everything is different t-shirts, that is, we could not just go there, in general , here, but what is there, and the security officers of the woman - this is just terrible, and, probably, the details should not be voiced. but this is a nightmare. in general, i don’t understand americans, how it is possible, especially in new york, alla is right. uh, any woman in security is always a problem, by the way, in marion, there were no such problems, well, i ran into them in new york, especially this one. these are black and latin people, the most evil and the most biased yes, biased with them too allen has been the source of information about victor for many years and here are your interviews with ria novosti . uh, september 19, 2019. it seems that exactly half of the person i saw in new york in court remained, they didn’t let us hold hands to convey something, nothing at all, purely visual contact. thank

god that nothing is glass. well, yes, yes, it's me , just, uh, that was our visit. uh, when after 8 years, finally, the russian hmm and the russian foreign ministry got the americans, and the issuance of visas to us, because when lisa and i just applied for visas. we waited six months. we understood what it meant when we came to the interview i was asked. and where from what purpose are you flying, and we said, we are flying to concluded him here is a girl, she got up and left. so then they looked for goodbye, and on this topic was closed. uh, that is, thanks only to the russian foreign ministry, we received a visa, and a one-time one at that. it took a very long time to achieve these, you see, they gave, when here is a gelding, uh, they flew in accompanied by a representative of the consulate general in new york and a huge let's say. uh, the brigade of russian media that i have known for a long time since the eleventh year. everyone is also working , thank you very much for your support. but, at least, somehow it was morally easier, but to communicate with your own. so when we got in, first of all,

uh hmm and the whole prison it wasn't visit day because visits are only on weekends on saturday sunday. and we arrived, either tuesday, or thursday, i don’t remember exactly, that is. this was a special day for our visit. and when we came to the prison, and hmm, and all the officers guards, realizing that it was as if the family had arrived after 8 years. they are under any pretext, but tried to pass by and look at us. that is, who tied the shoelaces, who allegedly? pass by on the street to smoke, because it is forbidden to smoke on the territory of the prison. it was an event for everyone, it was an event, because and as they later said that we were so strained that because of you we have to work extra, because we are in this hall of general meetings, we sit only with you and we singled out, a we were given 4 hours. here are 4 hours. we should have talked. and it's the same like a job. and we are not obliged to sit here, she left here, we are going through. she complained so hard and complicated later, here and uh, when we

entered with the consul, uh, that, apparently, the guard who turned us on, e didn’t quite figure it out. what kind of dating regime do we have with victor because he turned us on first . uh, in such a small cell, uh, where the dates would take place, in the mode that victor was in for the last three and a half years, that is, we wouldn’t see it, in general there, uh, i don’t know one and a half meters glass phone and everything. we you were already with the consul we left from there. he says this cannot be, because we agreed that we would sit at a common table, because this is also a consular visit. you hug, we'll talk. and then, it means that after a while he says, well, apparently, so to speak, they checked you, and they checked you a little . here they transferred victor to another room. of course, we were waiting for him, somewhere we waited for half an hour. clearly imagine the past. we last saw each other. uh, on april the twelfth years, but arrived. we are in september nineteenth. that is, the daughter grew up, er, that is, well, like, well,

i don’t know, 8 years. i'm not talking about 14.5 years, because that 's just life, but also 8 years. this is also the life of the eleventh year to 19. you didn’t see it at all, you didn’t see it at all, therefore, these are. and how to say on the one hand. yes, probably everyone was in shock, because then victor and i called. in the evening he was given the opportunity to call, they say, you know, after a date, i went out on the grass and could not come myself, and we arrived at the room. we have here and so it was pounding, it was just pounding, because we could n’t, as it were, in general, simply, firstly, it was seen, yes, from a date, from the opportunity to talk about it, there is. well, and victor says, you know, i'm sick, but i'm sick of happiness, i didn't have to run to somehow relieve this tension, it doesn't work. after this visit. well, you, of course, could not remember it. yes, it really was an event, but the conditions were such that you could hug and kiss at the beginning. well, during the visit. should have sat on opposite sides chairs. here, and the officer who, uh, the guard,

who guarded well, i knew he was our guard in the block. that is, he was, in principle, very liberal. so he says, that is, he allowed you to do everything that he was not allowed to do, yes, at least he did not find fault with anything and how one could say so. but v- here, uh, this date was for you. well, it’s simple, well , it’s possible that in 8 years you will see or some window already has such opportunities in the future to change something with your family. you can communicate. only through 15 days. i can't imagine the calls. you imagine what it means to call your beloved woman, yes, your loved one, well, you only need to listen to her for 15 minutes. before you say anything. and as a rule, both my mother and my brother were on calls, that is, they somehow tried to have enough for everyone and therefore there was actually no communication . that is, we somehow even have this communication. it can be said conditionally that you only have time to say the most , just to listen to each other to understand, because

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of course, i suffocated when my 58th year and i got married, her tutor, i told my mother. how can you with a man in whose bed the music of my fairy tales is always in my head is not so bad back 57 years, it was never boring only a day, but also an hour, but mine lived more interesting than my own, i’m more interested in her than mine, damn it, for the 90th anniversary of rodion shchedrin premiere. on friday at first music it is an absolutely amazing thing that the lord god there gave another world around us, a world of sounds. we now learn the amazing story of viktor buta from viktor buta himself from his wife alla alla you had, uh, in

one of the interviews in the twenty-first year. you said that her husband was dying twice victor was dying several times. the first case was connected with the infection that the colony employees infected, it got to the point that my husband could no longer speak, so he stopped calling me. another case began with a toothache, inflammation grew into sinusitis. on those otitis temperature. victor was under 40 and was not treated badly. it turned out that the first case, uh, coincided with the fact that a mushroom was walking around the prison, and for the first time in all this time i fell ill, because i was in a cell with two other prisoners. of course, they were already sick when you were in a cell the size of our standard bathroom. a room that is for three people, that is, two cells, uh, two beds, relatively speaking, and the third is inserted between them. well, of course,

i can't sleep. i have always slept on the top bunk. that is, naturally, they got sick and infected me , and at first i had a temperature. that is, uh somewhere, uh, probably five days, then, naturally, the voice disappeared. well, such a serious illness, like the flu, but they gave pills not only after that and called me from the doctor only after i said ali, i could not call. i have lost voice. finally, i why because in order to call you need to use your voice, that is, authorization went through the voice, if you do not repeat the same intonation in the same voice, it does not work, finally, the fifth day i succeeded. anyway, get a hot drink. uh, hot water and tea. there 's something to add some there, to somehow manage to pass this registration. what i called said, yes, i'm sick. it’s very bad for me, as if literally alla the next day, apparently, phoned everyone and raised everyone on their ears

i was immediately called to this. excuse me, my husband is calling and we haven’t had him for 2 weeks, as if there were no calls, well, that is, imagine there is no connection, the first day. i always think so, or they again had some wires broken there, yes, or there was a cyclone or a typhoon, or there the guards didn’t come to work, this also happened. that is, they just keep everyone or something happened again, there is no information, there is no connection, it’s generally simple, that is, i think so, if the second day, uh, two calls a week to the author. there will be no call, and i will write to the embassy and i always write. listen please contact victor no connection. and then it turned out like this, yes, they said ladies, we will take measures there, here he is, and just a week later he got through, and i hear a voice i don’t speak. you see what happened, and victor is such a person. i've always been here. i’m surprised and everyone told me that in all these years he never complained about his state of health, that is, that’s what mom happens to them in the same topic, he doesn’t complain about anything, says

that everything is fine. especially since he's at home. that's such situation. and why? because he always brings himself to the point, and to an extreme degree already when emergency medical care is needed. i say why didn't you say before? he says, you know, i tried that myself somehow here with yoga, there meditations there some hot water. if there i don’t know with something teas there, well, how to improve my state of health, it didn’t work out, because otitis media began, a specific discharge from the nose began, when he began to list me. i just understand what's going on. that is, this is the head. a little more and it could be anything. i wrote to the foreign ministry and of course. i wrote to the russian embassy. i say guys urgently, please. well, take action and thank god it was. well, really and quickly. uh, as victor said, then a good course of antibiotic, and, in principle, after that

, on the second day, everything was gone. i lay like that for a few more days and, in general, recovered very quickly, but thank god with a toothache it turned out that it started, just before their christmas there was no one, and the doctor himself, uh, got sick with a toothache. eh, how i would have thought it was just when covey was already and according to the actual, but it was already me at that moment i did not get sick. we got sick only six months ago, just at the end of february, when the special operation had already begun, i see. and you, uh, managed to watch television. oh , yes, because there are about 18 cells in the block on each e, literally on each floor, but not all of them are full, that is, on average, there are usually 15-12 people and there is a third tv for 15-12 people. this is cable tv, there are about 56 channels, but the news channels are cnn and fox news and here are the main abc

and nbc cbs, of course, there is and that is, over the years you have become an expert on american politics. although initially they didn’t do this, you know for sure, if they can teach a bear to ride a bicycle in a circus in 2-3 years, then, of course, in 10 years. watching from tv, reading local newspapers, like sharp jordals. new york times, of course, it was given to read. yes, it’s just that the lawyers wrote it out and sent it to me, that is, yes, i received all this time plus, by nature, very much, of course. this price for me. it was the most important event since 2013. i am regularly received the komsomolskaya pravda russian newspaper. eh, kommersant, and when the rodin magazine and its magazine began to be arrested. these were my buildings, which i read from cover to cover. interesting, that is, it means that you are well versed. physically in terms of american politics and russian. well, at least i tried to be in the know, i tried to live with the news that i read about what

was happening in russia like that, at least now it’s not a shock for me. at least about many things. i have already or seen the picture in russian newspaper or in the komsomol. or read about it. uh, who is your favorite character in american politics. we very often make fun of them in our programs. well, in general, this is probably a separate topic of conversation. american with pleasure is separately similar to american wrestling. you know, when such a feigned struggle. here are the staged tricks, throws, strikes and so on, and most importantly, this is how they say the track, yes, that is, such insults are so public, as if this is what, firstly, is public during the election campaign trump. he was the first to say so. wrestling technologies for the election campaign, which, of course, is very shocking, because that's even with ours with all the past. yes, there are election campaigns, after all, our policy is always very, but worthy and

never comes down to personal. these are such vulgar accusations and vile. hello well, you also supplied news, literature and textbooks. and you know, my task in the first place, yes, was to provide victor with books, because, uh, he is an intellectual with us. eh, it's true, that's it, it's true a huge number of books that he just reads. well, firstly, there is no library there, and what victor told me, he says, half of the prisoners cannot read. there are comics in the library. they say i either read or wrote letters for them. it's just that it's just books, that is, some kind of basic one. yes, in prison. no. and, of course, i applied first. i don’t know to all the citizens of russia there in social networks, the guys sent, we tried to say and post information how can i send books to viktor, which books? we even lists were made, what who sent, so that he wanted all the time? i asked him what you want

to read there from classical russian literature from new literature from classical foreign literature. uh, from some new modern beselers there. i say economics is physics. ah, astronomy. well, i don’t know, biology was sent. yes, i sent him a huge amount. well, let's say, not that she sent textbooks there. i tried to send victor to his textbooks, by the way, yes, and he learned to draw from these textbooks, he says, you you know, and american textbooks, similar to instructions for children. uh, school preschool age, they say something to learn how to draw from them is useless. here i want. uh, i want her to take this opportunity to thank everyone. all, by the way, patriots who sent these books over all these long years. thank you very much, it's hard to convey. eh, those feelings that i felt, and they helped me a lot, and most importantly, through such small, as it were, actions. i felt that this is the care that

i have not been forgotten. it probably was. the most important thing that gave me strength. in february, you learned about a special military operation, what did you think you felt at that moment. well, i was surprised. i have nothing, but because everything agreed with you, at least from those sources that i thought that in general there would not be such a massive attack on the whole of ukraine. i thought it would be limited to donbass donbass. yes. well, you think it 's justified. i think justified. because , well, it's clear that the americans provoked. this it was obvious, and there should be a reaction. look against our country for a long time there is a war of annihilation. if this operation had not started. now, it wouldn't start on our terms. at least russia has the initiative. so we will again have to wage this war to the end and to

victory, otherwise, on the eve of the existence of our very state of our very people. it's true. how did you find your home? how did you find moscow i'm honestly surprised, and even in my dreams i didn't think that it would change for the better like that. what are in moscow now the most modern fleet of electric buses in the world , there are so many electric buses in any city in the world. that's for sure. by the way, which again thanks to the russian newspaper. i know that they were not only made in russia, this is kamaz, but they are assembled, it turns out in moscow, and moreover, they found the technology that is cheap and allows you to use it efficiently. what wonderful roads have appeared? it's just wonderful. i just ca n't even believe it. yes, exactly how the streets did. for example, we were on the ordynka. i just didn't recognize what sidewalks. it's not just tiles. this is a real stone, as everything is well-groomed. how many interesting cafes, how they cleaned the street, too,

i was surprised to see gorky. these linden trees have been planted and all the stalls have been removed, that is, the city has changed so much that , frankly, i'm just waiting in such a place on earth. uh, at least the weather is good, just to just pass, but the weather is already good, the snow has already passed, now the sun has come out and it will be good winter weather. how did you find your husband? i think that victor is so kind. well, what do you mean, how do i did you find him? first of all, i love him. this time here, and secondly, uh. well, i don’t know, i’m proud of him and admire him, you know. i say that i have. and when you talked to him on the phone, even before this visit. and i always had an incomprehensible feeling of who really supports whom, that is, in general, i should, yes, because it is clear that he has unambiguously worse conditions. and when we talked to him. i could never figure out which one of us is sitting the man.