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with a capital letter, he is, what we were talking about here, including about the elites, he is like that. it seems to me very accurate poetic words. to do this, i found listen on the ground, bombs are torn donbass crucified remained, the young die in battle, the guys are all volunteers for the front and the front, and your friends are clean edges. force majeure hurries to wait out during fatal days on cozy phasents further from russia, and everything is on your drum. you are a pillar like idols on your conscience put on the cross. you paved the way for happiness. knowing the final the krylov tower hears about you and for you the words water. no, it does not allow to give this
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fragment in full. he listens to me on telegram today. there, there, everything is very exactly like that. shame, many have no shame over time. good evening in the big game, the most dangerous criminal on planet earth, the merchant of death how does the american media represent him ? and the most famous political prisoner in the united states of america, as he is known throughout the rest of the world, in our studio again viktor bout and his wife allabuds, very
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glad to see you. good evening. good evening. well, what did you do? uh, sleep yes and managed to wake up with here with the feeling that you are already at home, to already at home here. everything already has feelings, there are feelings at home . yes, there is already a feeling of home, there is already a feeling that it is, and you already believed that your husband returned home at this moment of this time. yes, that is, it was very hard this week here. how would you orient yourself, though, it’s not true to touch that he is at home. yes? now the feeling of being at home, that everything is in order, has more or less stabilized. and everything is behind and vice versa, everything is ahead, first of all, a story about how it all was e in
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our last broadcast 2 days ago. we talked about the circumstances in sufficient detail. uh, well, in your work on the african continent, the circumstances of the detention of what was happening in thailand where actually for almost two plus years. uh, the american intelligence services, law enforcement agencies, the american state machine tried to extract you and deliver the united states, and they managed to do it, and now you are in the united states of america and in the united states of america there is already a campaign that the most dangerous person on planet earth has been delivered. here you feel that he is really a danger. this is serious. yes, that is, when you were brought there to the united states, there was a feeling that, well, it’s really very dangerous, but i do
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n’t have such a feeling, there was no such thing. it just felt like they were filming a movie. well, you were made an actor without your consent right after the plane landed. they took me to some hangar and started to search it with such , uh, predilection and playing the good bad cop. after that, they were already taken out and put into such an armored car. you know. uh, as they show in iraq against, so that suddenly no one blew it up or something, but it was lucky that the weather was bad, otherwise they would have taken me to the prison by helicopter, but the weather was bad, so they put me in this car separately on the head of a helmet, so that apparently it does not jump or fight from behind. they closed the doors, and in this military
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armored car was taken to the prison. well , you could see, of course, very few such huge blocks, you know. the high-rise buildings drove, probably, for about an hour and reached the end to manhattan , and there it was already night, about, probably, an hour or even 1:30 i was again changed into some kind of given, you know, such an orange one, and overalls . so they took us to this cell, uh- huh. here they closed. and in principle, everything, as if i had already stayed there even after you were in the cell. uh, that's before the first interrogation or there some kind of action. how much time has passed was not , the next day i again. uh, by the way, it's already 8 o'clock in the morning, and the same agents took me away again, because they had to bring me to
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court. so they put me back in. again they dressed me in the same clothes in which i flew in, and put me in this mini-ban without a military car. well , literally the court even had to say so. yes , such a tunnel connecting the court with the prison, for some reason they brought me by car around the block, they brought me to the court there, and they brought me to the office from this public lawyer. and we sat somewhere, probably for an hour and a half. after that, the first official court session began. it’s clear well , at this time i can say that thank god that no, i’m not in moscow victor, thank god, i didn’t see all this hysteria that arose, uh, in the american media at that time i was still in thailand, which means that victor was taken out. uh, end of november. here it is 2 days later. i went to take his things to the prison. that is, it was a suitcase, and there were books
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and some personal things. they are still here. eh, me them passed, and i when well, let's say, so, where i lived, there is not far from the prison and a small studio. this suitcase has been opened. i probably sat in shock, probably for an hour, because i saw, and neatly pedantically folded things. that is, what i was able to convey to victor. there are some spices in tea bags, there is porridge, something like that, it was so packed with a rubber band, and that's it. so here it is, something not laid out with notes. that is, i realized that he was aware that he would be taken out the next morning, and he had no options and no chances no more. he spent the whole night packing. here are these, and the remnants of those products that he gave me socks, there are sneakers. well, maybe i thought so, because it was all difficult. i don't know, that is. i was just so shocked that they laid everything like that, and they gave everything to me like that, and then i had to, of course, after they took him out. so we
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never managed to see him, because for us, for everyone, it was a complete surprise, including for representatives of the russian embassy in thailand so the consul and i were just supposed to visit victor that day and i find out that victor is already being taken to the airport, again from journalists. that is, we no longer have time with the consul. we fly there by car, we fly there, and with such an impudent smirk they say to me, well, your husband was taken away. and well, we went, of course, to the airport, and when we had already arrived there, it was already clear that victor was no longer there and again, thai journalists came up to me and very delicately said tsori, like alla i'm sorry but, like, we managed to see him there, and you still can’t see him, so that’s it. this story ends in thailand, so i had about a month to get together in thailand, that is. well, indeed it was very hard. eh, morally understanding that, well, some
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other one would have begun. yes life, another story, that is, the thai story ends the american story begins. this is a completely different story, a completely different world, and in general everything is different. i had to mentally gather myself to find the strength to pack my things, because i also lived there for 2 1/2 years. at the very least. here and something there, i had some things accumulated, i had to pack. i just didn't have the energy to pack my things . i finally fly to moscow in mid-december, then i leave for st. petersburg and, despite and when victor already met the american federal protection, let's say there, and the lawyer called me and said alla without our permission. you, please, do not fly to the usa with your family. that's when we give you, good. then you will arrive well, let's talk about that a little later. this is really the episode. yes, packed things that the wife and supposedly receive. you before, how to leave the prison devoted all night to pack, how
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was it? i flew to thailand understandably. he was already there. no, no, not like that, and there were some of his, yes. well, he was not in my cell. he was so to speak. e in the cell. there storage downstairs it was never allowed. if i needed something, and they could take me to him. i could open it, and in the box were your things before. off camera, but it's them apparently, they themselves, then they already packed, because you see, you see, here it turns out that you thought that in fact, uh, victor was packing. we did not have time here in the studio to change our real impressions there. since yours are different, but uh, for sure. all of you have seen this program 60 minutes in general in america, uh, this is the most popular show, yes, there is. and in this show you are being accused as a dangerous criminal in the united states
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by your spouse. naturally. himself in danger the criminal wrote about the plot they persuaded me to give an interview. we wrote 3 hours of broadcast, and in the bank before i flew away, and to moscow and they promised me an oath, what kind of plot, and in these 60 minutes of my interview in this program, my opinion, yes , some victoria mine so to speak, but they get up as a result of nothing. there was, of course, nothing. it is american normal practice to ask the person the program has not seen. i only have a lawyer later brought directly. uh, the decoding of this program, of course i was surprised, but you say lawyer. here's, uh, the country's defense as it was presented. in your case, who it is, as i have already settled on what led to this public defender. it was again the notorious sabrina shroff, who is known in all these circles precisely because she always
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persuades clients to make a deal with the investigation, but she has been around since november, as i was brought before january and in january of the tenth agency, when we began to change lawyers to change lawyers, because it was already clear that she was playing on the side of the prosecution, not on my side. uh-huh from our embassy consulate. you felt supported. yes, because literally the next day there was already a consular visit. we have already met, as it were, and already the consul general of new york himself came to ask. so i'm very grateful. and actually, at the time when i was in new york, in general, they tried to visit me almost every week. it was a very significant support , a sign of attention, so to speak, and they explained a lot to me a lot. they helped me a lot. and you have already. uh, to catch this lawyer or already with the
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next one, that is, you flew to the united states of her soviets, we just with victor's mother, she then still could, as if she were, well, more or less for health reasons, she could endure this flight. and my daughter and i decided that we were all flying together and would not even listen. we just got tickets for january 2, 11, without any, so to speak, all arrangements by the federal protection, and we fly to new york. and the consulate general in new york was about this notified. and uh, this one happened very much like that. uh, let's say, well, funny shock story in quotation marks, that is, uh, an aeroflot plane lands in new york. naturally, everything is already, well, there is taxiing, which means to this pipe. eh, which means, uh, everyone has already jumped up. and somewhere in our place at the end of the 10:00 flight, everyone was tired. mom's legs hurt. there, everyone’s back hurts and maybe they are in the hope that we will leave now, as if the representatives of the consulate general were to meet with us, and we
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would go and take us. hey, where we are stop, there is such a hitch on the plane and suddenly, and the commander of the ship blames the families, and announces to the family that it is impossible to get off the plane, but it’s impossible to get out, because the passages are all closed, and we understand that we have, thank god, nobody knows . i say we are silent, it's not us, well, just yes, and we are waiting for some kind of movement to begin and and at some point they began to release. m-m the commander of the ship says, please, prepare your passports and then i hear such, and, apparently, our compatriots who live. uh, all the time in america they start. what is a passport check? what in general? eh? why all of a sudden there was never such a passport on an airplane and there were representatives of the special services, uh, right uh, getting off the plane and everyone’s passports are checked and when it’s our turn they just take them under our arms. i say mom can't walk. please help, let's not go too fast. after that, of course, no one's passports are
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checked. uh, everyone is free to go out and they picked us up and we spent, and at the airport. well, let's say mom and lisa did not touch with the daughter. and they kept me, that is, we were all together separately. so, i was interrogated by a special agent, and even gave me rubber bands. here are some questions i asked. if interested, of course, i could voice it. which ones are here. well, and what, for example, well, listen, and for example, in which countries we were. i say you know, here i have a passport in russia, this is an official document. you open it and take a look. i have a view there visa cost. that is, without a passport, i can’t go anywhere else. that is, this is what it's marked there, which means i was there. that is, i can’t tell you anything else, please invite lawyers from the russian consulate. if this is an interrogation, then we will talk to you separately. eh, then please give me a drink, because 4 hours we have already been sitting, that is, like water, no, i hardly persuaded them to take me out at least there from such a fountain
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to drink. it means that they are doing, but it turned out such a situation that i just flew in from bangkok and we almost immediately flew to new york. that is i didn’t have time to unpack my suitcase and all the things that were left there. i just changed, let's say, summer ones to winter ones, and there some old documents remained in my bag, probably an old notebook , where i still kept such ones. hmm. and there is such a tradition. yes, the tram trolleybuses of the lucky ticket, and i had such folded packs of happy ones there. i think that when it will be necessary, i will eat it, there i will be happy, which means they take it all and begin to photocopy it all in front of me. and there is a lot of garbage in the women's bag. well, to some extent, here they are, so it's all here, photocopied. yes, i do not need it. take it if you need it, please. take it he says, no it's yours. so, this went on for about 2 hours. they gave me everything back. i say, thank you for cleaning my bag, i put the slop on the bucket that was there, i put it all there. i'm talking. here is a present for you from me. here, well, and all sorts of other questions. he says if you suddenly want to talk to me there. here
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is our business card for you, and i represent 8 o'clock is gone, and they can't keep more than seven. well, according to the rules, yes, otherwise, in principle, we should already be deported back to russia, and when we already left, and such an attitude, and you are the wife of a terrorist, that is, they say to your mother, you are also there in all terrorists, that is, this is concrete . i'm just saying, wait, there was no trial. but how can you tell me this, that we are terrorists and in general, i see that they are terrorists because they are watching. television a on television is the most popular program 60, and in this program 60 minutes is just here, if you haven't seen anything here. now look. victor in my eyes is one of the worst people in the world without a doubt mike brown former chief of operations for the us drug enforcement administration told us victor bout first made his name in war-torn
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west africa in the late 80s he fomented conflict with a machete and single-shot rifles, then ak-47s not by thousands, but by tens of thousands. that is, he supplied weapons to the civil wars in africa, he turned these young warriors into insidious manic machines. kills that operated with the efficiency of an assembly line. now the 43-year-old is leaving the soviet republic of tajikistan. a man of mystery who, according to unconfirmed information, served in the soviet air force and intelligence, is being tried by the united states on four charges related to terrorist activities, including conspiracy to kill us citizens. only certain terrorist groups militant group, but he also supplies weapons to very powerful drug cartel around the world. this is just the beginning of the program. and then here's a whole program in the same in the same spirit. it's clear that everyone was watching it. yes?
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it is clear that this is preparation for a trial, as if an impartial trial, which, in theory , should be, but victor didn’t see anything, thank god they didn’t see it. yes, but it was clear, again , you see absolutely. uh, the unfounded accusation has not been given any facts, especially since the american intelligence services have always praised their technical means. they could at least if there was some fact, naturally, they would have twisted it; there were no facts. however, again since the late eighties. yes, well, machete probably does not need to be transported to africa. there they are full of them, and the rest of the lord, if we say, in fact, present your accusations. again, why uh there uh the first charge is uh, conspiracy to kill americans, where in colombia, at the
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trial, back in bangkok, the question was raised by the judge, but he was going there, but it doesn’t matter. since he spoke to those who were from colombia and the pure fact that he agreed to talk to them indicates that he is plotting, because these weapons will be used, ostensibly in order to kill those americans who, for example, are in the columns there. let's wait, there was another question. and what do they do? citizens in colombia and we, by the way, raised this issue with the consulate. we asked the consulate in colombia and the presence of american citizens of the territory of colombia, i was told there are none. there are mercenaries and there are instructors. there in american citizens in colombia are in charge of colombia there, by the way, until recently there were only right-wing governments only about the american ones now here are the first governments not very pro-american, but not anti-american and
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here are two accusations of murdering american citizens. this is the so-called hook, on which the coat is hung without it. the whole announcement would fall apart, so this is the main trick when the american authorities want to close someone and for a long time they always insert accusations not just in terrorism, namely conspiracy to kill. it 's a completely different attitude. this is a completely different option and different. by the way, from the theory from the accusation of conspiracy. well, some legal protection. justified from the practice of us jurisprudence no, well, uh, in the media there were your words that they demanded from you compromising evidence on the top russian leadership on putin and so on. here you are quoted. here i am articulating uh, the proposal came during the court hearings of the trial through a lawyer by appointment i was hinted that we would grant you and your family a residence permit and help you settle here
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in exchange for incriminating information about putin and corrupt regimes. i replied that i did not and could not have such information about putin, and explained that i had offered this deal to the wrong person. yes, these were just recruiting approaches. yes, this was just done, through the same public defender sabrina shnurov who came to me for a long time, so to speak, but i tried to say so e to talk about this topic began to explain to say, that's just the conversation was simple. i stayed with her, that is, she was on behalf of the special services and, by the way, she is known in circles that she works for the special services, despite the fact that she is a public defense, and besides her there were attempts. no, there were no other attempts. and you had such approaches. i say we had one single story, when, uh, apparently, this situation somehow mutated. yes, but i agree victor but it’s practically with us we flew in for a month we weren’t allowed to see him at all when we arrived. she said, i did not invite you, that
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is, in order to now, and for you to make a visit to the tektor in prison. i need to issue special passes, and get permission. wait and we have been waiting for almost a month. we first saw him at a closed hearing in court. uh, before we met him, in person. he was like it was, and he will tell us and we will find out the whole truth about viktor bout's case after the advertisement. people who survived clinical death and survived many of them are sure that they looked where they came from? usually they are returning. i just marvel at the courage of my mother. i probably could not stand it if she was sleeping that night before, then we would live on what they saw there, while the doctors were saving them, what secret did they learn? why do many describe the same vision and the same light at the end of the tunnel and again climb to this light. they say they hovered over their bodies and watched the
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in the big game of viktor anatolyevich buta, alla yuryevna but, we continue the conversation about this most amazing story of the 21st century, the detention of a man who was declared the most dangerous criminal on the planet earth and who was recognized worldwide as a political prisoner of the 21st century. e, victor vas e, you were kept in
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solitary confinement all the time. and it was one prison, either they constantly changed places of detention, what happened , uh, mcc. it is considered to combine two functions, this is like our pre-trial detention center and there is some small contingent there who is serving their term, so there immediately after the end of the trial before the verdict itself, and my advocacy filed a complaint with the court, why am i still delayed in these e strict conditions in solitary confinement? it’s like a punishment cell , in fact, yes, the whole uh, that is, it’s really, as it shows now it was such a uh bed, concrete just like that plan. here, yes. it looks like it, of course, not the same camera. here, nevertheless, after the lawyers filed this complaint, the judge called the prison, called our lawyers. even brought to mind. e
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me there, and she specifically said. e from uh prosecutor, resolve this issue. if you don't decide for yourself, then tomorrow. i will then issue an order, or make a decision, but they never decided. although uh, when she asked, and the director of the prison was a woman. she began to shout that we could not translate it into a common language. he is a dangerous criminal. at him great connections. he can organize an escape, he can cause big trouble. yes, in new york, to which the judge said, i was on everything . uh, how i presided over the trial. process no data, he's a normal businessman, so you have to transfer him until tomorrow. or i will order you so to speak, as a result. they waited until she ordered me two lieutenants. so to speak, they came and took away packed put in the car. there were two of them with machine guns, which made me laugh a lot, they put me in such a typical policeman, and here’s the car,
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uh, in which the back seat is fenced with such a lattice, yes, and you can’t open it yourself, as if the door was transported to a prison across the hudson river in brooklyn uh, to another such center too. it is very huge, and the center of the order for 4,500 prisoners, it was relatively recently built and i was placed there in the so-called general regime, but the department was for psychological patients uh-huh, that is, in the same department there was a so -called department. where pom. those who need to be monitored because they'll probably commit suicide, but it was 35 people down there. i had a cellmate, and most of these 35 people had different psychologists. ah, mental illness. as a rule, they woke up somewhere for dinner, they were given again. uh, they took their pills and fell asleep again.
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that is, like this, that is, uh, in america everyone practices very well, if you want yourself, yes, pills and you will sleep, so to speak. you do n't notice anything. if so, just in that state of a psychologist. e was straight had a cabinet in it like say department. he came in the morning, if someone didn’t like it, some pills or increased the dose or prescribed others, and how much time was eventually brought in solitary confinement . almost a year and uh, a year and 4 months in mssi, and then transferred to mdc. i was only there from april to june. that is, it turns out april, and they are 3 months old. and after that i was transported to prison maria in prison. marian was immediately sent to this too jail in jail with
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completely closed off from any uh possibility of communication or visits to other parts of the prison. this is a separate block for only about 40 45 dangerous people. well, he was considered a block, uh, control of communication. that is, yes, there, of course, when i got there, most of the prisoners were arabs, in general, muslims, that is, out of about forty-five people, probably 34 people were muslims, most of them. here are those who support arkada, or, so to speak, of various kinds, there are salafist muslim brothers and so on and there was a feeling that i was even joking, saying to the local security guard i don’t understand where i ended up and in what way? i say i feel like i'm in saudi arabia. why yes because at night you wake up from the call to prayer and five times a week five times a day, they are accurate to the
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second. in general, they gather and pray. well , yes, you are also a test. and this is when you first managed to see your husband already on american american soil this january. eleventh year. we have been waiting for almost a month, but the permission to visit. it was in this special block, where victor was until uh, there were hearings in new york before the verdict was passed, and here, at the same time, how would we constantly communicate. but sabrina and great conversations she, but just tried. here, go through my daughter, that is, she realized that she was useless with me, because i was rather sharp, as it were, on some kind of things. and even for small ones i said, listen to me, this is not interesting, and i say until victor tells me we have no solutions. we will not accept with our daughter. here, and she had an assistant such a young, very interesting person, which means that lisa was 15 years old, and he invited her. it means to go through manhattan there, it means to treat, as they
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think. this is some kind of supreme culinary achievement - these are such coffee houses in manhattan, where there are such huge rolls, such as sandwiches with ham there is something like that, that is, it was such an american tasting, but, lunch, you can probably say such a lunch american cuisine, and he said with listen, come on, can we go to the cinema with you and take a walk there? do you really think, do you need to study there? maybe you will stay there we have good universities. you think, uh, as it were, and then over time he suggested saying, listen, lisa, you uh, you can easily uh, not necessarily. she herself is a kistan by nationality. so, uh, you can choose any nationality that you like, so to speak, everything you want will be written in the passport. she says you i want to stay russian on this topic on this topic closed. i want to add a little about just, but this prison, in that victor was sent, but in fact there was
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a big scandal, because we got information that victor was sent to supermax and the judge, passing the verdict, and at the end of the verdict comes. uh, the recommendations of the judge are mandatory, and the regime of detention, and in the way that she did not consider victor to be terrorists. she wrote the general content regime. this is approximately how konstantin yaroshenko was. yes, that is, the general is not some kind of super max , all the more, which means, of course, after that, but i turned to a russian consultant, turned to lawyers. and all we could do was write a huge petition to appeal to the judge , again there was an additional hearing on the regime of detention. she really invited all the representatives of the theory bureau, the representatives of amin yust there, that is, this hearing on the regime of detention was closed there, where they really told me about it. the lawyers simply conveyed what , in fact, was discussed. and that victor is a very strong personality, well, i do not deny it. that's what a very large potential is required for its protection. uh,
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additional. yes, the guards are not just some kind, but an additional potential, that is, an additional prison resource. it’s that he has huge connections and it’s quite possible that he will use these connections there to escape in order to attack the prison there, but it’s complete nonsense and that’s why they wanted him to go to supermax and after that she just said that a i insist on a general regime, but nevertheless, they still managed, they will still put this block here, but strictly communication, yes control, and we almost sued five or six years. i don’t remember exactly, yes, so that in the same prison he would be transferred from this block to a general regime, where he could at least go out onto the field. just get some fresh air. well actually an amazing story, because everything is evidence base. yes, we talked about this last time, and now it was based on the fact that these planted agents of the united states drug agency testified
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that you talked with them about the possibility of supplying weapons to colombia? yes, that was all evidence base. in fact, everything was built on this. and on the basis of this, the same judge pronounced a sentence, but for 25 years. well , the truth is, now she has a little awakened conscience. she said that the sentence would probably be too harsh. but actually, uh, her statement was. let's listen to him now, what she said the other day, literally in this judge scheidlen, damn it, listen to her, who allegedly sentenced us judge shira schengen to 25 years, said she considers his sentence too harsh in an interview. after sentencing. buddha schengen admitted that he had a hard time and noted that a period of 10 years would be fair. i still think so. i thought he got a very harsh sentence because it was a crime he had no intention of committing. he was contacted. undercover agents. he did not get close to the colombian
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terrorist organization. they did not enter vkontakte with him. this was set up by the united states government at that time, mr. bout was not engaged in weapons and was not going to deal with a terrorist organization. so because of this, i thought that this is a special circumstance, and i would give a shorter period if i could say shindland, the most eloquent, yes, such . because well, because why is it 10 years in a case, uh, in the usa it is considered who goes there with it, that is, and when they get 10 years, they kind of exhale they say, well, thank god, at least not in life in life, yes, because general deadlines. here are the sentences the terms that will be appointed. there are simply people who have 400 years, who have three sentences in their lives, that is, a person must die in prison, be born again, live three lives in order to fulfill this punishment. yes, it's really
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amazing, what can you say, here's the judge , what kind of influence was she under? whoever dictated this to her was a federal federal judge. judges are appointed for life, you know, that is, they are in such a privileged cohort, that is, it was the federal court. this is the federal court county new york. it's called the federal district court of the southern district, new york, southern ukraine heard, as the us government v. victor hmm understandable, that is, uh, from her point of view, you are also lucky. she could take much more than anything that she could give, she talked a lot about it later. this is after she retired from office. she became a private practicing lawyer. let's say it already. so not burdened by any state framework, well, let's say this official position, that's why she
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i could have some of my own. hmm comments, apparently this is victor's business. yes, the injustice of the verdict and all these years greatly disturbed her, probably, they really interfered with sleep. i guess, because she would hardly have risked it, but for america . yes, you can imagine time passes. she says i gave too much. that is, it is generally unprecedented for a judge to recognize his sentence, but it is unfair. it's just that the americans closed this topic altogether, that is, practically her interview. well, somewhere a little ran through the press and there was no emphasis on it to give credit to the court that she had such a position, and she openly stated this several times, of course, this does her credit, and she is still a person a person with a capital letter will decide on data conditions precisely to say that something it is in such a situation is, of course, a brave man. indeed, it is necessary to have a very great
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courage to go against this machine in this regard, even i am very grateful to her. i can say too, sorry, yes, but look at the end of the verdict, a judge - this is no longer a sentence and not a description of the accusation. ah, so-called recommendations or opinions. the judges, the so-called opinion of the judge about the case, and which is not necessary to listen to, but nevertheless , it was in this, and her opinion, that she dressed victor, and she just said that in her opinion he is not a terrorist. but just the very words that she repeated, here, unfortunately , no one paid attention to them before. they are specifically in the documents. this is her opinion, dressed. that is, if the americans have been there since the twelfth year at least they started to replicate it, then, i think, the image of victor would have changed and broken long ago. so i want to add just to correct the fact, in other words, i’ll have to do it later sabrina went to a citizen, usa yes, she is of hindu origin, that is, she was a citizen
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of your lawyer originally she was a citizen of india no she was a citizen of india and farces from bambria. well , okay. uh, this is her, this is her. yes, this is a modern photograph. she must have been younger then, 14 and george ukrainian. well, that is, you do not advise. i definitely. i advise you not to get involved with her, because she absolutely openly works for the government and there will be no interests for us, especially for defending. her task is to specifically talk about cooperation, yes, butchering, and it’s very interesting that in the block in which we were, she was usually. well, for those who passed through new york, almost every second, if not every, uh, well, you were kept in solitary confinement, but for a walk. let them go there with others prisoners communicated before. look,
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there was a very strict regime in new york. after the trial, they were transferred to this psychological block for the time being. yes , after that the psychological block was already like that. uh, the roof was open. with naturally with e. lattice. 2 years. you spent in general you saw daylight only in the courtroom, he even brought him. he squinted from the fact, but from the fact that in the courtroom there is a daylight ordinary everywhere, only this uh fluorescent lamp, and you kind of wean yourself from daylight. this, of course, was very lacking. but at least there was a small yard, literally, probably, about 10 meters by 10 meters. but that was already enough for a little sun to get there. and when it was all the time that it was there. i tried to be in the sun, how to catch a little, at least the sun's rays, but with other prisoners there were, of course, yes? but most of them are only there, maybe in the afternoon, well, four five who
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did not sleep, everyone else just drank, his pills went to bed. but what kind of relationship did you have with them, they didn’t know you, how the most dangerous criminal on the planet. land again, uh, they were also kept there. e, we kind of eliminated good relations with one, and by the way, he was given a life sentence by the american. again in the charge of conspiracy to kill someone and he tried not only for life, but also death. well the quality, that is, he was there on the appeals, and therefore also interesting was the experience of communication very much. i found out and here it is very important you understand it is impossible. in general, confuse the entire american people with the american government. these are two completely different things. there are a lot of people in america who, uh, know that this is all lies and propaganda, which treat
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russia very well. to me, well, firstly, of course with interest. well, naturally, that is, they asked me about weapons, as it were, because most of them were veterans, they went through afghanistan, they went through what? and iraq i tell the guys, well, yes, i was an officer of the soviet army, but i didn’t i am engaged in weapons and, to be honest, i do not collect them. and of course, it is clear that i can shoot, but for me it is not a fetish. and like, well, i don't know the difference between those remingtons of yours or what gun you have, you better ask the wrong person. ask me, i'll tell you. here they all giggled and laughed, but often there were normal respectful relations. i tried not to break any rules uh hmm and as a rule everyone treated me. well the thing that got me by when we were know it the presence of female guards at the male prison is such a nightmare. that is, firstly, this is unequivocal. uh, i
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encountered this back in moscow, oh in new york, in the ms here in manhattan, that is, it’s just the female side of the women’s guards - this is definitely a biased attitude, it’s some kind of, but how our mother was simply forced to undress to film there pectoral cross. that is, in general, we just ran around there, they kicked us out to buy special underwear. ah there bras there other. in general, everything is different t-shirts, that is, we could not just go there, in general here, but what is there, and the security officers are women, it 's just terrible and, probably, the details should not be voiced. but this is a nightmare. in general, i don’t understand americans, how it is possible, especially in new york, alla is right. uh, any woman in security is always a problem, by the way, in the marion, there were no such problems. well, if i encountered in new york, especially those. these are black and latin people, the most evil and the most biased. yes, biased with them, too
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, allen has been a source of information about victor for many years and here are your interviews with ria news. uh, september 19, 2019. it seems that exactly half of the person i saw in new york in court remained, they didn’t let us hold hands to convey something, nothing at all, purely visual contact. thank god that nothing is glass. well, yes, yes, it's just me , uh, it was our visit, when after 8 years, finally, the russian hmm and the russian method was obtained from the americans. ah. giving us visas, because when lisa and i just applied for visas. we waited six months. we understand what it means when we came to the interview i was asked. and where from what purpose? you are flying. we said, we're flying to the prisoner. so the girl got up and left, so then they looked for goodbye, and on this topic was closed. yes, that is, thanks only to the russian ministry of foreign affairs, we received a visa, and a one-time one at that. it took a very long time to achieve these, you see, they gave, when, here, in a gelding, uh, they flew in
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accompanied by a representative, and the consulate general in new york and a huge one, let's say. uh, the brigade of russian media that i have known for a long time since eleventh year. everyone is also working , thank you very much for your support. but, at least, somehow it was morally easier, but to communicate with your own. so when we got in, first of all, uh hmm and the whole prison it wasn't a visit day because visits are only on weekends, saturday sunday. and we arrived, either tuesday, or thursday , i don’t remember exactly, that is. this was a special day for our visit. and when we arrived at the prison. e hmm and all all the security officers, realizing that it was as if the family had arrived after 8 years. they are under any pretext, but tried to pass by and look at us. that is, who tied the shoelaces, who supposedly? pass by on the street to smoke, because it is forbidden to smoke on the territory of the prison. it was an event for everyone, it was an event, because and as they
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later said that we were so strained that because of you we have to work extra, because we are in this hall of general meetings, we sit only with you and we singled out, a we were given 4 hours. here are 4 hours. we should have talked. and it's like a job. and we don't have to sit here, we left her here we are experiencing. she complained so hard and complicated later, here and uh, when we entered with the consul, uh, that, apparently, the guard who turned us on, but did not quite figure it out. what kind of dating regime do we have victor because he first brought us into a cell so small it is, uh, where would the dates take place, on the regime that victor was on for the last three and a half years, that is, we would not see, at all there, uh , i don’t know one and a half meters glass phone and that’s it. the consul and i were already there. we got out of there. he says it shouldn't be maybe because we agreed that we would sit at a common table, because this is also a consular visit. you hug, we 'll talk. and then, it means that after a
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while he says, well, apparently, so to speak, they checked you, and they checked you a little. here they transferred victor to another room . of course, we waited for him somewhere, waited for half an hour. clearly imagine the past. we last saw each other. e, in april of the twelfth year, but arrived. we are in september nineteenth. that is, the daughter grew up, uh, i mean, well, like, well, i don't know, 8 years. i'm not talking about 14.5 years, because that's just life, but also 8 years. this is also the life of the eleventh year. by 19. you didn't see at all, you didn't see at all, therefore, there are none. and how to say on the one hand. yes? uh, probably everyone was in shock, because then victor and i called. in the evening he was given the opportunity to call, they say, you know, after a date, i went out on the grass and could not come myself, and we arrived at the room. we just pounded like that, just pounded, because we couldn’t, as it were, simply, firstly, this is what he saw, yes, from a date from the opportunity to talk about it, there is. well, and victor says, you know, i'm sick, but i'm sick of happiness,
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i didn't have to run to somehow relieve such tension for half an hour. after this visit. well, you, of course, could not remember it. yes, it really was an event, but the conditions were such that you could hug and kiss at the beginning. well , during the visit. we had to sit on opposite chairs. here, and the officer who, uh, the guard who guarded well, he knew me we have a guard in the block. that is, he, in principle, was very liberal to say so, that is, he allowed you to do everything that he was not allowed to do, yes, at least he did not find fault with anything and how one could say so. but v- here, uh, this date was for you. well, simply, well , it is possible that in 8 years you will see or some kind of window of opportunity already in the future, something the family can communicate with. only after 15 minutes i can imagine the calls. can you imagine what it's like to call your favorite woman, yeah
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to your loved one, well, you just need to listen to her for 15 minutes. before you say anything. and as a rule, both my mother and my brother were on calls, that is, they somehow tried to have enough for everyone and therefore there was actually no communication. that is, we somehow even have this communication. you can say conditionally , you only have time to say, the most important thing and everything is just to listen to each other to understand, because this requires just patience. sometimes you just need to, well, even make some kind of pause and be silent together, because yes, sometimes it is silence says more than any words. amazing story, really. be about victor, and his case is about his family after the advertisement. personal example vladimir putin got vaccinated against influenza and urged to continue
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we now learn the amazing story of viktor buta from viktor buta himself from his wife alla alla you had uh here in one of the interviews in the twenty- first year. you said that her husband was dying twice victor was dying several times. the first case was associated with an infection that was infected by the staff of the colony, it got to the point that the husband was no longer could speak, so he stopped calling me. another case began with a toothache, inflammation grew into sinusitis. you have a fever. victor was in her 40s with no treatment so the first incident, uh, coincided with a mushroom roaming the prison, and i got sick for the first time because i was in a cell with two other inmates. of course, they were already sick when you were, in general, in
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a cell the size of our standard bathroom . which is poked by three people, that is, two cameras. uh, two beds relatively speaking, so and the third is inserted between them. well, of course, i can't sleep. i have always slept on the top bunk. that is, naturally, they got sick and infected me , and at first i had a temperature. that is, uh somewhere, uh, probably five days, then, naturally, the voice disappeared. well, such a serious illness, like the flu, but they gave pills not only after that and called me from the doctor only after i said ali, i could not call. i lost my voice. finally i why because in order to call you need your voice, that is authorization went through the voice, if you do not repeat the same intonation in the same voice, it does not work, finally the fifth day i succeeded. anyway, get a hot drink. uh, hot water and tea. there
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's something to add some there, to somehow manage to get through. this e registration, i called and said that, yes, i'm sick. it’s very bad for me, as if literally alla the next day, apparently, phoned everyone and raised everyone in their ears, i was immediately called to this. excuse me, my husband is calling and we haven't had him for two weeks, no, how would calls no, well, that is, imagine there is no connection, the first day. i always think so, or they again had some wires broken there, yes, or there was a cyclone or a typhoon, or there the guards didn’t come to work, this also happened. that is, they simply keep everyone or something happened again, there is no information, there is no connection, it’s generally simple, that is, i think so, if the second day, uh, two calls a week to the author. here there will be no call, and i will write to the embassy and i always write. listen please contact victor no connection. and here it turned out like this, yes, they said, yes, we will take measures there, here he is, and just a week later he
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got through, and i hear a voice, i don’t say see what happened. and victor such a person, i’m always surprised and everyone told me, he has never complained about his state of health in all these years, that is, that’s what his mother happens to him in that he doesn’t do anything to the topic complains, says everything is fine. especially since he's at home. here is such a situation. and why? because he always brings himself to the extreme, already when it is necessary emergency medical care. i say why didn't you say before? he says, you know, i tried that myself somehow here with yoga, there meditations there some hot water. if there i don’t know with something teas there uh, well, how to improve my state of health, it didn’t work out, because, but otitis media began, a specific discharge from the nose began, when they begin to list me. i just understand what's going on. that is, this is the head. a little more and it can be anything. i wrote in the mission. naturally. i wrote to the russian embassy. i am
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i say guys urgently, please. well, take action and god it was done. well, really and quickly. uh, as victor said, then they gave me a course of a good antibiotic. and in principle, after that, on the second day, everything was gone. i lay like that for a few more days and, in general, recovered very quickly to glory. god, with a toothache , it turned out that it started, just on their christmas day there was no one there, and the doctor himself, uh, the dentist got sick. uh, as if covid is just when there was already a mat and actual, but that's me i didn't get sick at the time. we got sick only six months ago, just at the end of february, when the special operation had already begun, i see. and you, uh, managed to watch television. yes, because there are about 18 cells in the block on each e, literally on each floor, but not all of them are full, that is, on average
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, usually 15-12 people. and so. man three tvs ah, this is cable tv, there are about 56 channels, but the news channels are cnn fox news and here are the main abc and nbc. cbs. of course, there is and that is, over the years you have become an expert american politics. although initially they didn’t do this , you know for sure, if they can teach a bear to ride a bicycle in a circus in 2-3 years, then, of course, in 10 years. watching from tv, reading local newspapers, like sharp jordals. the new york times, of course, was given to read, but the lawyers simply wrote it out and sent it to me, that is, yes, i received all this time plus the embassy very much, of course, this was the most important event for me since 2013. i regularly received the komsomolskaya pravda russian newspaper. uh, kommersant and when the magazine rodin and his began to publish, that is, there were my buildings that i read from the
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cover, it’s interesting, that means you are well versed in political terms from the point of view of american and russian politics. well, at least i tried to keep abreast of internal affairs, i tried to live with the news that i read about what was happening in russia, as if, at least now, this is not a shock for me. at least about many things. i have either seen the picture in the russian newspaper or in the komsomol. or read about it. uh, who's your favorite characters in american politics. we very often make fun of them in our programs. well, in general, this is probably a separate topic of conversation. the american will be happy to talk with you separately, therefore, it is similar to american wrestling. you know, when such a feigned struggle. here are the staged tricks, throws, strikes, and so on, and most importantly, this is how they say the track, yes, that is, such insults are so public, as if this is what is first public during trump's election campaign
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. he was the first to say so introduced here. technologies wrestling has an election campaign, which, of course, is very shocking, because that's even with ours with all the past. yes, there are election campaigns, after all, our policy is always very, but worthy and never comes down to personal. these are such vulgar accusations and vile. hello well, you also supplied news, literature and textbooks. and you know, my task in the first place, yes, was to provide victor with books, because, uh, he is an intellectual with us. uh, it's true, uh, there's such a huge number of books that he just reads. well, firstly, there is no library there, and what victor told me, he says, half of the prisoners cannot read. there are comics in the library. they say i either read or wrote letters for them. it's just that it's just books, that is, some kind of basic one. yes, in prison. no. and, of course, i applied first. i don’t know to all the citizens of russia there in social networks, the guys sent,
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we tried to say and post information how can i send books to viktor, which books? we even made lists, what someone sent, so that he wanted all the time? i asked him what you want to read there from classical russian literature from new literature from classical foreign literature. uh, from some new modern beselers there. i say economics is physics. ah, astronomy. well, i don’t know, biology was sent. yes, i sent him a huge amount. well, let's say, not that she sent textbooks there. i tried to send him victor boomer in a textbook and he learned to draw from these textbooks, he says, you know, but american textbooks similar to e, instructions for kids. uh, school preschool age, they say something to learn how to draw from them is useless. here. well, i want. uh, i want her to take this opportunity to thank everyone. all compatriots who
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sent these books over all these long years. thank you very much, it's hard to convey. eh, those feelings that i felt, and they helped me a lot, and most importantly, through such small, as it were, actions. i felt that this is a concern that i have not been forgotten. it probably was. the most important thing that gave me strength. in february, you learned about a special military operation that you thought you felt at that moment. a war of annihilation has been going on against our country for a long time. if this operation had not started. now, it wouldn't start on our terms. at least russia has the initiative. so we will again have to wage this war to the end and to victory, otherwise, on the eve of the existence of our very state of our very people. it's true. how did you find your home? how did you find moscow i'm honestly surprised and even in my dreams i didn't think it would change like this
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the best. what is the most modern fleet of electric buses in the world in moscow now? there is not a single city in the world, there are so many electric buses. that's for sure. by the way, which again thanks to the russian newspaper. i know that they were not only made in russia, this is kamaz, but they are assembled, it turns out in moscow, and moreover, they found the technology that is cheap and allows you to use it efficiently. what wonderful roads have appeared? it's just wonderful. i just can't even believe it. yes, they certainly did the streets. for example. we were on the edge. i am just didn't find out what sidewalks. it's not just tiles. this is a real stone, as everything is well-groomed. how many interesting cafes, how they cleaned the street, too , i was surprised to see gorky. these linden trees have been planted and removed all lucky, that is, the city has changed so much. what i'm just, honestly, in such amazement and waiting. uh, at least the weather is good, just to just pass by, but the
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weather is already good, the snow has already passed, now the sun has come out and it will be good winter weather, alla, how did you find a husband? i think victor is so as if. well, then, how did i find it? first of all, i love him. this time here, and secondly, uh. well, i don’t know, i’m proud of him and admire him, you know. i say that i have e, when you talked to him on the phone. even before this visit. and i always had an incomprehensible feeling of who really supports whom, that is, in general, i should, yes, because it is clear that he has unambiguously worse conditions. and when we talked to him. i could never figure out which one of us is sitting man strong man. hey victor. but alla but strong people wonderful family, we are waiting for you again in our studio. we are far from exhausted, as much as the conversation is our business.
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